Talking Golf 05-05-25

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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(00:28):
Here's your foursome for Talking Golf. Wisconsin Golf Hall of
Famer Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin broadcaster, Haull of Famer, Paul Brown,
Wisconsin's premier golf reporter, Gary Demado, and Mike Heller.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
First thing I.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Need to do is find a different writer for the
Open and a writer that did.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
That.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
We just from Big Boy Scout.

Speaker 6 (00:57):
Oh wow, they're all the same.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I know, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, premier writer.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
And this guy what's this premier writer?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't know. Somebody wrote it. That's what I'm talking about.
Finding a what do we need to change it to? Huh?
I don't know. I'll figure something out.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Wishfull par golfer.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah, exactly exactly, golfer, right handed golfer, just something right,
right golfer. Welcome in. It's talking golf. I'm Mike Heller.
That is Paul Brown on the end, and Dennis dizzy
Oni in between, Gary Demato. We hope will join us
at about six seventeen. Nate Pokrast, the tournament director for
the MFAM Championship, which we'll be here at TPC Wisconsin

(01:38):
in a month for a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Of activity going on out here.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
He's going to join us at six point thirty or so.
And then Bobby Stricker, who's down in Arkansas, I'm going
to play an event this week. She'll join us later
in this hour. We had planned to this was going
to be media day. It's I'm gonna be postponed. Media
day for the TPC at TPC Wisconsin for the MFM
Championship moved off of this date, but Dennis, I want

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to start with this. The over the weekend, Scotty Scheffler
threw up a scorecard of sixty one sixty three, sixty
six sixty three to finish at thirty one under par
one by eight shots of the CJ Cup Byron Nelson
at TPC Craig Ranch down there in his hometown. So
it's a you know, it's where it grew up. It's

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a tournament he went to as a kid. He's got
a picture of him with Byron Nelson when he's a kid,
and he missed that tournament a year ago because they
were having a baby. And then he goes out there
and puts up that kind of a series of four
rounds which ties the all time PGA tournament record.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Unbelievable, yah know, And but he is he is good.
You know, he's a good player. I mean that, what
can you say he's a good player. I don't really
think that what he's doing fundamentally with the feet, with
the feet and all that sort of stuff, you know,
is conventional but short game putting. But you know, he's
a good thinker. You know, he's a good player. There's

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a difference between hitting and playing, and this guy plays
and you can just he you can just see the
confidence factor, you can see how he grabs the energy
from everywhere. It's really good. You know, those are you
couldn't most people couldn't put a score in a scorecard
and come up with that. Yeah, wishful thinking. Yeah, yeah,

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he's good.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Do you know the other two guys that had had
the record.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Well, yeah I do.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
But go ahead and tell us it was Justin Thomas
number one, and lud Vic Oberg is the other one. Well,
you're gonna hear a lot from him. However, they did
it on a par seventy course, do you know that?

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Yeah, But that Iberg guy you watch, he's what twenty three,
twenty fourteen five. Really he's really going to be good,
There's no question about it. Justin Thomas and George jordan'sbeath
all those people, and now they have families now, so
a lot of stuff is going to be taken with that.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
As we touched on this a week ago when we
were talking to Gary Demono, I want to revisit it
with the caliber of play, and you said, the biggest
difference now is there's so many players that can play
at this level. And Gary a week ago talked about
tough way to make a living. It is a tough
way to make a living.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah, but there's a lot of people finishing in the
middle of the pack that are making a good living.
And you know, all the money is that.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Tour, that too on the PGA tour. But to work
your way to it, it's a different road.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
But you know, a lot of these companies, I can
remember when we were, you know, I mean when we were,
when I was doing this stuff. Here are guy there
in two three million dollars he had before the season started. Sure,
so you know that's where the money is and that
sort of stuff. And these guys are also doing a
lot of things, doing a lot of things, playing in

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programs and getting paid, you know, private events, getting paid
I know, so that you know, thirty forty thousand is
nothing for a guy to show up. Yeah, well it
doesn't take long. You know, you do a half a
dozen of those a year, one every two months.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Those are for that's once you've made your money, right,
once you've established you can make a lot of money
at that. What about the guys that are trying to
because when you were playing, there was no corn Ferry Tour.
I mean, you could play in some state events and
things of that nature. To get to where you're trying
to get, so the competitive level, to get to a

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point where you can make money by showing up and
playing a corporate event, that's very tough, right, I mean,
that's a long run. We'll talk with Bobby later in
this hour about what she's trying to do on the
lady's side of it.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
But look what's happening now we got all those guys
went to live right. Yeah, the guys that have come
in or are shooting is good or lower scores than
they're shooting. Yeah, you know that leading the low scoring
average sixty eight point whatever it is. That was when
I played. Yeah, but there was only four or five. Yeah,
now there's fifteen to thirty that are shooting those kinds

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of skies.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know, you talk about money and those kind of
issues on Scotty Scheffler. But before I mentioned that, Andy
North told me one time he made more money on
doing exhibitions than he made for winning two US Open championship.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
He chose that though. Yeah, after he won, he went
that route of the corporate money, which is okay, rather
than tournaments.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, Scotty, I looked it up just out of
curiosity and endorsements only last year he made twenty eight million,
not on the golf course, just an endorsement at sometime. Yeah,
he made a million, seven hundred and eighty two thousand
winning that one tournament.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
His caddy would have been in the top ten, Yeah,
top ten money winners.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
And when we do this you end up talking about
the he's now even a one percenter, he's a one
to one hundredth of one percenter making that kind of money. Yeah,
the lib guys took the money to go be what
I would view as non competitive and not on the
golf landscape in our Like we were talking before we
came on the air, I mean, we might not be

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the greatest representation of who golf is trying to hit
to now. Yeah, but I haven't watched a live tour
event period five minutes.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I haven't seen Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I haven't seen it. I haven't seen Scotty Kopka play,
or bryceon De'shambeau or Dustin Johnson or whoever else is
on it other than in the majors and team events,
President's Cup or Ryder Cup for the last four years.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
Well, you know they made a choice. You know, they
took the money up front. You know, how can you
judge a guy gets three four hundred million, Really, you
wouldn't take that, right, Holy Dennis.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
The other thing I've heard you talk about over the
years is the retire I know how you feel about
the retirement fund. We're not even going to go down
that road because you've explained that pretty explicitly a number
of times over the year. But when you talk about
the guys that are out there for long period of time,
you've mentioned some staggering numbers that their retirement fund conceivably

(08:06):
could have in it. Not mentioned any names, but there's
some that you've mentioned could have more than fifty million
dollars in their retirement fund.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Five hundred to one billion. Really, you know what I'm saying,
five hundred.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
How's that accumulated? It's based on years winning whatever.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Else, tournaments that you play in, finishes, you play in
those type of things. Plus the tour makes money. You
think that it all goes you know, they goes to
the reillions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
There's a lot of money.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
Well yeah, kind of but you know, and that's where
I was going, So I don't hit up it. Without
the PGA, you know what I belong to. That PGA
Tour wouldn't have existed. We get nothing. Yeah, these guys
have this kind of money going there. It's just crazy.
And you're wondering why I think golf is growing though,
you know, it's really going. People are taking it on.

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But it certainly hasn't been dependent on quote the PGA
player anymore.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
All right, You know, I want to shift into a
lesson conversation for a moment before we get to carry demodel.
So so many players of average or less than average
ability are deathly afraid of bunkers, and yet when we
watch good players play, they would be rather be in
the bunker than in the thick roof that surrounds the

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green How is that, Dennis? And what is the simple
If there is such a thing concept of a player
to manage when they get into a greenside bunker.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
That's a technique, right, Yeah, First of all, we have
to determine when you go in there and they're digging
their sand feeding, how much sand is there? Yeah, there's
not a lot of sand. You know the ball is
going to come out. There's a lot of sandy. In
all cases though, you'll take your club and if it's
a short shot, you'd open that job right and you'd
expose the bounce. That's the bounce that you know, the

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bounce is runnerneath the club there as that's what you're
concerned about, that you the bounce hits the sand every time.
Now there's a thing in the takeaway. I mean not
only has the blade opened up and you got to
be careful of this. When you open the blade up,
make sure you get around to the left. Your right
handed player, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, we're not talking about you right now.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
Left get around. You get around to the left as
far as you have to, so that the leading edge
is perpendicular to the line you want to go to.
Then you use. But in the takeaway process, you know,
there's a big rotation. So not only is the blade open,
but it's also open in the takeaway. It's open and
laid off. But the hit has to happen so that

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the bounce gets under the ball, the bounce. That thud
that they talk about, the thud is just that you
don't want to dig it in and all that sort
of stuff. You want to make sure so there's a
there's a technique there, and no legwork. Dead legs. You
cannot dip down, you know, you have to stay up.
He has to stay level, So no leg work. Make
sure the bounce hits the ground. The splat has to

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happen each and every time, and the distance is going
to be determined by how much you open or close
that blade. You don't want to go a long ways,
you know. Now you know that and most people use.
I don't ever use anything more than a fifty two
degree in there.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Anything.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
I don't do that.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
More lofted than fifty two.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
No, no, more lofted than fifty two. I want to
make sure that I know that I'm going to hit
the ball, but I'm also going to release the club
so you know, the club head goes first. I'm going
to serve the coffee, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
So I got a two parter for you. In terms
of the sand trap, we had a discussion about this
on the golf course the other day. Number one. Here
they samped Steve sampled three different two different kinds of sand,
and which one did he pick and why did he
pick it? That's question number one.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Okay, Well there was two types. One that was totally granular,
the white sand, and one that had other sand with it.
And when we went to hit, because I made two traps,
and he said, now this one here, the one with
a little bit of sand in it, not totally granular.
Because when you got in the in the parking lot,
he said that was pretty good. He said, how did

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I do? I said, well, you save me fifty thousand
because this one there was more expensive. And but the
sand here is.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Really And number two question, how do you rake a trap?
And what do you do with the rake once you've
finished raking the trap? Is there a specific way you're
supposed to rake the trap, meaning away from you or
back towards.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
You, towards you, back towards you, and put the put
the bunker, put the put it back in the trap.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, And what do you do with the rake?

Speaker 6 (12:43):
Put it in the trap?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Do you put the handle out of the trap? Well,
you put the entire rake in the trap, the entire
rake in the trap. You see a lot of rakes that.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Well I know right they're sitting outside of the trap.
And for for a lot of people, wherever they find
it is where they're going to put it. But the
appro a place for the rake is fully into.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Put it in the trunk because you don't want it
to interfere anywhere outside. And the other part from a
cutting when we mow the traps, you know you're not
running over rakes, So put it in a trap. You
can always take the trap or the the trap, the
rake out of the trap.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
When we this conversation came up when we were playing
here in the last week and there were four rakes
on one of the traps. All the handles were up
on the grass. That's what started the conversation.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
Well, you know, that's just poor management on our end,
from the pro shop end, not so much in the
deal put it in the trap. But then again, we
have golfers in neural everywhere. You know, they want to
do what they want to do anyway. You can tell
them anything, but yeah, yeah, don't.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
All right, Well, one other thought on this fairway bunkers.
When you're hitting a full shot out of a bunker,
how does that obviously it's quite a bit different. How
does it change?

Speaker 6 (13:53):
You know? The key to that is no legwork. You
cannot dip down with your legs. You have to stay level,
totally level. Well, when you watch a guy who knows,
watch a guy like Steve when he hits it, not
even a grain of sand moves, it's a pick and
you cannot. Usually he does. Not a big leg player anyway,
so it works out pretty good for him. But as

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soon as you put legwork into it, I'll tell you what,
you're going to hit it fat?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
What's the key to hitting like a rescue or a
five or seven woods out of the trap? Same thing.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Don't be stupid. I'm sorry, I understand it, but I
what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
You know?

Speaker 6 (14:29):
But there you have to know again you have to
pick it and tremendous amount of hand action has to
happen to make that go up in the air. Now it.
You know, there are players that can do that, but
for the most part, you know, they call it a
trap for a reason. One one, don't go in there,
yeah right, yeah. Second, get it out. Just get it
out to the area that you are really good at.

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I'm a good I'm really good at one hundred or
hundred and son, do the math and hit it one
hundred and ten. Hit it to that spot all the time.
Don't just try to hit it someplace. Play golf, you know,
don't be but you know, to play this game. I
told you before, you be really smart or really stupid.
You know.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, well, I'm not gonna ask. I'm afraid of the answer.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
He didn't look your way again.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
No, Well, you know, I heard a rumor that somebody
got rid of their yips. Now that is either going
to happen in our next segment or at the end
of the show, because I am uncertain as to whether
Gary Demato will be joining us in three minutes or not.
But if it's not, we're going to this. Got somebody
got rid of their yip story.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
No it's not the yipshks.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Wow, shanks, yips.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
I mean it was a mess, right, it still is
all right, I got it right.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
We we hoped to visit with Gary Demanto on the
other side, and then we will talk with Nate poecrast
just after the bottom of the hour. As we continue,
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uh listen this whole retirement ruse whatever?

Speaker 11 (19:19):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (19:21):
He's doing everything you would want to do. But I
don't know is there retirement in this thing? I keep
seeing stories at WIS dot Golf. You know so, Gary,
Gary Demotto, what's the truth here? There's no retirement going on?

Speaker 11 (19:33):
Is there I'm trying to retire. I'm really trying, but
they won't let me, I guess. But I'm still having fun.
So that's the main thing. Any Time you have a
job that's not work and it's fun, it's not a job, right,
So ye, no, yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
With that entirely. So there's a few things going on.
There's a collegiate event going on at Whistling Straits, both
at the Straits and the Irish Course that is being
televised on the Golf Channe this week that began today,
and then the US Women's Open Media day was today
at Aaron Hills. Let's talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Yeah, it was boy.

Speaker 11 (20:12):
All the heavy hitters from the USGA were there. John Bonehammer,
the the USGA Chief Championship ships off. I played with
John actually at Aaron Hills in the wind. It was fun.
Kevin Hammer was there that shares the Championship Committee and
Mike Jahan, Executive direct CEO executive director of the USGA,

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so they had their a team there and a pretty
good media turnout. So it was exciting to hear, you know,
the plans for the US Women's Open, which is just
a few weeks away now and then the course, you know,
all the infrastructures going up, all the tents and the
temporary buildings. It's pretty impressive what's going on out there.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
We talked about this many times throughout the years now Gary,
but Wisconsin has obviously we have the regular stop on
the Champions Tour, which moves this year to TPC Wisconsin.
But Wisconsin has become the host of major championships over
the last what when did we start a little bit
more than twenty years ago? Twenty five maybe, but it

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has been They've all come here. It is on all
different levels, on the the LPGA side, the Champions Tour side,
and obviously on the men's traditional side.

Speaker 11 (21:26):
Yeah, it's really amazing. I never would have you know,
twenty five thirty years ago, I never could have dreamed
that this would happen. It kind of started with the
US Women's Open at Cohler in nineteen ninety eight, and boy,
Aaron Hills now has the US Women's Open this year
and five more championships coming. And Aaron Hills is Open
in two thousand and six, and by two thousand and

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thirty nine it will have played host to ten different
USGA championships and then there's a bunch of stuff coming
to San Valley up there. You know, Century World had
a US Senior Open, Kohler is going to get some
USC championships. It's just it's amazing. But it speaks to
the quality of golf. And another thing is people don't
realize how easy it is for these organizations to work

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with with government agencies in Wisconsin. That isn't the case
in a lot of states where there's a lot of
red tape to cut through. But the government agencies are
really easy to work with here. And I think you know,
and the golf courses are great, and that's those are
really the two main reasons why all these championships are
coming here.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
But there was a Spectator survey done, Yeah, and the
question was, would you rather have a yearly championship at
much like GMO, or would you rather have this business
of having Ryder Cups Women's Open, Men's Would you rather
have one of those every two or three years? And
the answer is they would rather have it the way

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it is they be in the Spectator rather than going
to a yearly event.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Gary question for you in terms of all of your
years of expert answer following Women's golf. What would you
say is the state of women's golf right now and
you look in your crystal ball, what are some of
the big challenges or issues they're going to face in
the future.

Speaker 11 (23:13):
Well, that's a really good question, and actually Mike want
to address that in his comments today. He talked about
the growth of the women's game, particularly since you know COVID,
women are making up a larger and larger percentage of
new people coming to golf. But the base of women golfers,
women who say they play either on or off course,
you know, screen golf, that's growing leaps and bounds. One said,

(23:37):
I don't have the exact statistics in front of it,
but I'll round them up a little bit around them out.
He said they were about four point one I think
million new golfers women golfers coming onto the scene about
five or six years ago, and last year it was
seven point nine million. So there's tons of growth and

(23:58):
you love to see it. And I think the US
Women's Open at Aaron Hills is going to be a showcase.
And I think you're going to.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
See we jump that because we've talked about that on
the show quite a bit that.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
We did all this stuff. You're going to grow the
golf business, especially we know here is through the women's market,
and we chose to do that, you know, and it's working.
I've never seen so many couples here who play, you know.
And then the other is, you know, through the Golf Foundation.
You know, we raise money, and we raise money so
that we can hire teachers in a non metropolitan area

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that has a high school that has girls golf. That
coach then can access our place here to teach these
girls how to play once and it's working, you know,
we have I don't know, Travis was at a couple
of places who didn't taken over that school that he
went to to show them. They now two of them
have already started a woman's a girl's golf program in

(24:54):
their school. All right, It's unreal.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
So Gary, I want to ask who and what it
means when I say the name Joyce Sisky, Joyce Zisky, Yeah,
tell me about.

Speaker 11 (25:07):
This, Yeah, okay, Joey Siske. Probably not a lot of
your listeners really are familiar with the name. She's now
Joyce Mallison. But she played on the LBPGA tour in
the fifties late fifties. She finished second in the US
Women's Open in nineteen sixties. She won the Women's Western
Open that year, which which was at the time a

(25:29):
major championship for the LPGA. She left the tour at
age twenty five. She got married and started a family
who lives in Waterford, moved off Waterford and still lives there.
And you know, this is a woman who was extraordinarily talented,
played on a Curtis Cup team. You know, she won
five or six times on the LBGPGA tour and left
at age twenty five. So just think what she could

(25:51):
have done had she played another, you know, fifteen years
on that tour. But she's she's the only woman believed
to be the only woman to ego all eighteen holes
on the same golf course. She did it that She's
done it at river Mark Golf Club.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (26:06):
Yeah, six men have done it that we know of,
and only one woman and it's Joyce. But I real quickly.
I wrote a little story about her that posted today
I'm Wisconsin that Golf about a woman in California who
was a new golfer went on Facebook marketplace looking for
some clubs and came across an old set of Joyce
zisky signature McGregor irons in bottom and then started wondering

(26:28):
who is Joyce Siskey and did some digging and found
out that joy Siskey is now Joyce Mallison. She's going
to be ninety one years old in a couple of weeks.
She still plays golf one hundred and fifty days a year,
and she beats her age every time she played. Yeah,
she's amazing. When she was seventy some years old, she
had a four handicapped and the men's blue teas at Rivermore.

(26:48):
Think about that, so player and this woman wound up
sending the clubs to Joyce, who was really grateful to
receive her own line of almost seventy year old signature.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Isn't that something?

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Gary?

Speaker 4 (27:03):
I waited story. By the way I read that, it's
a great story.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I want to follow up on another situation with a
gal that all of us are familiar with. I don't
know if you've checked in or maybe you've already done
a story on this. Cherry Steinhauer's back to golfing. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, she gave up golf, took pick a ball
up and now she's back in golf. Loves it. Anybody
knows exactly what that transition, what was then why?

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Well, I don't know what you know, Gary, But we
had Cherry on the show last summer and she talked
about she had lost the love for this game, for
the game of golf, and it's she's rediscovered the love
of this game. So's she's back in it. I haven't
talked to her in recent ill since we did last summer,
but that's the genesis of it. I mean, great athlete,

(27:49):
obviously very good. She played pick a ball at a
very high level.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Ye she won a state national tournament.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
And then rediscovered the love for this game. And Dennis,
you've seen that story coming go, not just with Sherry,
but with others who fall out of love with it.
Maybe they just don't have the passion for it, and
then they'll come back.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
I don't think she ever lost it, but I know
she was physically not sure, so that led it to there.
But she's really really good.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's good though. If she comes back, that will help too.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
I spent some time with her putting and stuff like that.
But she you know, she was a member at Nakoma
right and she was playing forty five holes a day.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Oh as a kid yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
That's how much she you know. Yeah, she's just a
good player and she won what one or two of
those British Opens, I mean, very coome on, you know,
and she's right here in our backyard. You know how
many good players we've had.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
This no kid, this tone already, Yeah it is. It
is fantastic. One other note, Gary, before we let you
scoot out of here, and that is Skip Kendle, who
I assume I don't know this. I shouldn't make the
assumption that I assume he'll be in the field here
a month from now. But you got an update on
Skip Kendle that is not traditionally golf related. What's going on?

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (29:00):
I love Skip, you know, I've known him just like
Jerry and Steve since the eighties. Great guy and had
a wonderful career. I think he squeezed more out of
his talent than most almost everybody on tour. You know,
he never won, but he on the Big Tour, but
he lost three playoffs, one of them to Michaelson, and
I always wonder what would happen had he won one

(29:21):
of those tournaments. But anyway, he had a great career,
and you know, I'm sure he's got a great tension
because he made hundreds of cuts on the PGA Tour.
But now he's just transitioned into teaching and he just
la launched a YouTube channel with Golf Instruction, and he
works with some of the best junior golfers. He wasn't Florida,
in the Orlando area and he works with juniors not

(29:42):
only from Florida, but juniors from all over the country
are going to see Skip. He's a very very very
good teacher. So really happy to see him. And it's
easy to just go on YouTube search for Skip Kendell
and you can subscribe to his YouTube channel and maybe
take a stroke off your game.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Gary demodel u n l v U n LV he
turned down coming to Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
He did. I wonder who too?

Speaker 6 (30:09):
Yeah, all right, we wanted him to come here because
he is really a good guy. And uh yeah, well,
and he'll do good no matter what he does, He's
going to do good because he's an honest, good forward
Yeah shooting and Dennis.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Look at Gary Demodo living the tough life another day
in retirement playing golf at Aaron Hills with a bunch
of hobnobborn.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
You know big members.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
He's a big shot.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, he is a big shot.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
We don't exactly feel story for him, don't we know?

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I get to retire this won't He won't.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Come up here to play though. Notice that, well he doesn't.
He doesn't want to come up here. I don't know
the course has got him afraid. I guess that he
won't come up here.

Speaker 11 (30:44):
So I don't want you guys to see my swing.
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
That's what Now we're on it, Gary Demodo, thank you
as always, we'll look forward to the next time.

Speaker 11 (30:53):
Thanks guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Okay, Gary, Gary Demoto joining us and when we come back.
Nate Pokrass, he is the tournament director for the FAM Championship.
And just look at this. Four weeks from Friday they
will tee it up to start the tournament. But really
the tournament is the full week, so we're talking about
a month right now. In Nate Pocrass is taking carbon
ten minutes out of his time to join us, and

(31:15):
I know he.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Can't tell you can't believe or organized they are. Oh
my god, I see them on a regular basis here.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
And what they're doing.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
You can see why the tournament is a success. He's
got he's worked, and his team is they're really good. Yeah,
I got nothing but great things there.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
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Speaker 4 (34:41):
Back with you at TPC Wisconsin. Mike Keller, Paul Brown,
Dennis Tisziani, and we're joined by Nay Pocrass, tournament director
for the MFAM Championship, which is making us move out here.
And that calendar. I don't need to remind you, Nay Pocrast.
The calendar now is inside the one month. One month
from today, you will start with the events out here

(35:04):
and then uh, four weeks from Friday, they'll put it
in the air. And you know, those of us who
spend time out here and we're doing the show out
here obviously, Uh, we can see the changes being made
with the infrastructure going up. What is life like for
the tournament director a month out from the start?

Speaker 13 (35:23):
Yeah, it's certainly real at this point.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (35:26):
Yeah, you can see how your windows there. Construction is
in full force. Uh, they're they're they're building seven days
a week, consistently going.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (35:35):
But you know, our tournament teams excited bringing it all
to life. It's it's uh, there's a lot, a lot
of details to pay attention to, but that's why our
teams here and we're looking forward to it and becoming
a new event and new evenue.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
All right, let's see if we can uh get Nate back. Yeah,
kind of had uh we had this. We're we're snake bit.
We have natal is a drop call. We'll get him
back here in just a moment. But yeah, he's talking
about when it's real and it's a month from the event.

(36:10):
There aren't enough hours in the day. But you know
Tis was talking about before we took a break, I've
been around watching this team do their work in the
years that the tournament has been going on at University Ridge,
and they know what they're doing. It is oldibly well
put together.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
You know, we just talked about this. You know when
you go on the stands here, Yeah, not that the
stands over there were that, but when you get in
the stands where you can see the whole course, that's
what I was just gonna ask, Well, you can see
the whole course. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Nate's back. That's what I wanted to chat with Nate about,
and not comparing UW. Ridge so to speak, Nate. But
the one thing that's becoming very evident here that I see,
and I'm sure everybody else does is you sit in
the facility at TPC and look at where the grand
stands are going to be. You can pick situations where

(36:58):
people can sit in one spot and they're going to
be able to see basically what's going on on four
or five six different holes all at the same time.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Right.

Speaker 13 (37:08):
Yeah, definitely, that's what That's one of the unique aspects
of moving to TPC Wisconsin as the multi hole view
and you can see multiple teas and greens from from
many locations throughout the golf course. So I think the
fans are really going to enjoy that. You can, you know,
be in one spot, see a couple different approach shots
or a t shot, or even just you know, take

(37:28):
a couple couple steps over and watch that a hole directly.
So I think that's a unique element of the new venue,
and I think fans are really going to enjoy that aspect.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Nate, I've always been curious and don't know that I've
asked you this question before about that unique relationship between
tournament operations, the tournament director, and your television partners, because
there's the element that is the in person concept of
this tournament, but the rest of the country is getting
it on television. How does that collaboration and work between

(38:00):
tournament operations, tournament director and your television partner.

Speaker 13 (38:05):
Yeah, I mean, first and foremost is we want to
create an on site experience that's second to none for
our fans. And that's first and foremost. So that is
a core focus of our team is making sure that
that on site experience is something memorable and wants to
bring you back each year. But the television aspect is
certainly important as well. We've got a great partnership with
NBC Golf Channel through the PGA Tour. The PGA Tour

(38:27):
brings that television partner, they bring their team in place
and in showcase Madison, Wisconsin to the world through NBC
Golf channels. Certainly those in the United States watching, you
can watch it internationally. And I think, you know what's
also the unique element of our team format is going
to bring even more eyeballs. From that standpoint that I
think is going to create great for great television viewing.

(38:49):
I think the player interaction with each other, You've seen
it more and more on tour that they're they're micing
up the players and caddies, and I think they're going
to get a lot of great banter amongst the team
and that's going to make for great television.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Dag. When will the official list of teams be announced?
Then how about the Celebrity Force Them, which is be
part of that.

Speaker 13 (39:12):
Yeah, we've been gradually announcing teams over the last couple
of weeks. All our past champions are coming back, so
that's great, and each week we'll announce more and more teams,
So just keep watching our social media channels for those announcements.
Same with Celebrity Group. Were in the home stretch of
bringing that to life as well. Of course, Andy North
will continue to host, a great friend of the tournament

(39:33):
and great ambassador to the game of golf, and we
all love Andy and they excited to have him back
hosting and we'll announce his the three participants with him
as well here very soon, So coming soon. To keep
watching our social channels on that piece.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
So let me let me finish with us. What don't
we know yet? And so there's two elements, right, you know,
the Celebrity Force them in the full pairings, But what
what is You guys have everything laid out and planned
and there's work to be done. But what don't we
know about this tournament yet.

Speaker 14 (40:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (40:03):
What I think we just we don't know is we've
got a great plan in place, but until you experience
opening the gates on Friday morning, just to see it
how come to life, and just to see where the
fans go, see where we think where we know the
fans may enjoy watching golf, but but it's the fans
to tell us as well. So I think that's the
unique element is we have an expectation, we've got a plan.

(40:24):
You can see where the structures are built. We believe
those are going to be the exciting hole. But fans
are also going to tell us where they want to
watch golf. So we've got a lot to learn in
the first year. We're going to put on a phenomenal show.
The fans are going to have an absolute last it's
going to be a great place to watch golf.

Speaker 11 (40:39):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (40:39):
And we're going to learn a lot through that timeframe
as well. So we're excited to see how that comes
to life and and uh and see see what we
can learn through this first year.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
You know, you know what's Megan Morony, Come on, what
Megan Maroney?

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Oh Okay, that's all we don't know.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
Well, it's something to see. I can tell you that.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
People that live in this corridor and people asking questions
that specifically don't know about some of the logistics. For
an example, maybe you could repeat if they're coming to
the tournament, where are they going to park? For the
people that live in this area, how's that going to work?
What areas may be closed down, like around Commanche Way
and around Cherokee Lake and that kind of thing which

(41:23):
is adjacent, so to speak, to the golf course. What
can you tell the people listening about that aspect of
this whole thing.

Speaker 13 (41:32):
Yeah, first and foremost, we're wanting we want to be
good partners and good neighbors. We're coming as guests to
the north side of Madison, and we want to be
great neighbors, and we intend to put on an extremely
safe event. So that's first and foremost on that front.
We've got a great partnership with Madison Police and they're
helping us build a security plan that will provide a

(41:53):
safe venue for the neighbors for the entire surrounding area.
Fans are going to park off site Madison College. We
previously now that will all take shuttles to the main
gate so that'll reduce the traffic elements around Sherman and Wheeler.
The other thing is we'll create a little bit of
a bubble around the golf course too from a security standpoint,

(42:14):
where we'll Sherman and Wheeler intersection will be highly controlled
that only cars with passes into the clubhouse and or
residents can get through the same with Commanchee Way as well,
that we'll have some police officers stationed there just doing
sure residents only are getting into there and keeping their
neighborhood safe. So we've developed a really robust security plan

(42:36):
at the guidance of Madison Police, working with the city,
working with a lot of different members of the City
Planning Commission. Street use the park really within the element
of hay. We know we're bringing a lot of fans
into the neighborhood, but we want to do it in
a safe way. But we also want the residents to
certainly have access to their homes and live their lives

(42:57):
as well.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I'm just curious at the ridge Dentis keeps talking about
the number of potential people that will come here on
a daily basis. Do you have any estimates on number?
Would it be unrealistic to say there might be five
to ten thousand people a day coming through here, or
you don't really know.

Speaker 13 (43:15):
Right at this point, our ticket sales are extremely strong.
We've sold more sponsorships than we did last year. We've
got growth in that space. Ticket sales continue to do
well on a general mission date per day basis, so
our crowds will be comparable to the University Ridge just
what everybody was used to seeing, which can exceed ten
thousand a day. But we've got a team in place

(43:37):
that's been with us from day one for building all
our operations, and we'll just it's the work. We've got.
All our vendors that we're at you Ridge or continuing
to be with us a TPC so they understand golf.
They work multiple PG Tour events throughout the year, so
they understand the whole dynamics of golf, and have ultimately
put a plan in place that we can certainly accommodate

(43:57):
those ten thousand plus fans in a safe way, bring
him into the neighborhood, have a great time, let them
get home safely in the meantime, leaving the neighborhood even
better than we found it, you know, because you can't
forget about that charitable impact side of things, and to
be able to leave this charitable impact that we'll be
able to do this fall and impact the doorside even more.
I believe residents in the end are going to appreciate,

(44:19):
appreciate the efforts we put in and are going to
enjoy enjoy the tournament.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Nate, fantastic work.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
We wish you all the best over the next four weeks.
We'll probably chat one more time before the tournament gets here,
but I know you're busy. We appreciate your time and
can't wait.

Speaker 13 (44:34):
Yeah, no, all good. One of these days we'll get
technology to work. We're going to have our phones not
drop on either side. We'll get that to go. And
but yeah, look forward to talking again here in the future.
And appreciate, appreciate partnership. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Nate Pokress, tournament director for the AMPAM Championship coming out here.
It's due sixth, seventh, and eighth, But that whole week,
it's a whole series of events that it's right on
our doorstep ten.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
Thousand, uh huh. Yeah, then you wanted to be selling
snickers out there?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Yeah, that's what I mean from the driveway that's right, yeah, refrigerated.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
But you know what he do A chop him at
half know, I know what, I know what he gets you.
All right?

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Bobby Stricker is going to join us on the other
side as we continue talking golf from TPC Wisconsin.

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Well, it's been a while since we visited with one
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Speaker 3 (48:37):
I could understand that.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
She knows Hi, Bobby Stricker. How are you.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
So?

Speaker 4 (48:48):
So you're you've made your way down to uh the
razorback state Arkansas. You're gonna play a little golf down
there this week? What's going on?

Speaker 11 (48:56):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (48:56):
Yeah, I'm playing in a golf tournament. We start in
a couple of days. Just got here tonight, playing on
the w APT the same tour I was playing on
last summer when I was talking to you guys. So
pumped to get going. I'm out here playing a practice
round right now. Okay, all right, So yeah it's beautiful here.
I've never been to Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Yeah, there's some there's some great golf to be had
down there, So fill us in on on Well, I
know you just gave us a little bit of that.
But since we last talked last AUGUSTA, where are you
in the process. We talked about the Q School last
fall as we were going through some of that, So
give us a little update on Bobby Stricker's tournament life.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Yeah, I am so Yeah.

Speaker 14 (49:44):
I went to Q School last summer and got a
little bit of status for the EPSOM Tour, which is different,
I guess than last year when I was talking to
you guys, which is a cool thing. It's not super good,
meaning like it's not getting me into any tournament. They've
started their season already and I I'm nowhere near getting

(50:05):
into those tournaments, so kind of accepting that that's just
kind of going to be the case for the rest
of the year, and try to play my way into
those tournaments, which, like I explained last year to this,
on a CO Women's All Pro Tour, they you can
get exemptions into those EPs and Tour events. So I'm
back out here playing on this tour. It's great. They

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continue to do a great job, treat us so nice,
and this is a new place actually that we're playing
out here, and it's really really cool, really kind of hilly,
different than you know, what we mostly play out here.
It's we go to Texas and Louisiana and it's really
flat and windy and not a lot of trees, and
this is kind of the complete opposite of what we

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usually play. So we're I'm playing with two other girls
and we're all kind of excited to be here. And yeah,
that's the update. Tried to qualify for the US Open
last week, didn't get through.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
But.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
That's all right, Bobby, On and off the golf course.
From the experiences that you've now gone through since you
started this process, what have you learned about yourself that
could impact your career or your life down the road.

Speaker 14 (51:18):
Yeah, I think I think just each tournament, in each
like competitive round, I'm just building my confidence and I'm
learning that that's a huge deal in this game, is
just being confident and like what you have, who you are,
you know, like your game all Like, even if you

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are not doing your best that week, it's like, Okay,
well I'm confident in like what I have and bringing
to the and what I'm bringing to the table, Like
for these four days and I'm learning how to navigate
that when maybe you aren't feeling your best. And I
have Yeah, I have learned, and I would say the
last like couple of months just like how to be

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confident in what I'm doing and knowing that I'm progressing.
And that translates out here. You you roll puts more confident,
you hit your drivers more confident.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
And yeah, so Bobby a source told me, and his
name's Grandpa, A source told me, you have your own
clothing line. And I think we looked at this last year.
I think I saw some designs that of what you
were doing. So you know, he can't keep a secret.
It's in the golf shop here anyway, so tell us about, Yeah,

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what got you started down that road.

Speaker 14 (52:38):
Well, it's not necessarily my it's not my brand. It
is called Good Lion Golf and it's owned by a
Madison family. Actually he has a partner that was in Chicago,
but his name is Johnny Hoffner and he owns Good Lion.
And then he came to me a couple of winters
ago and not over Coffee's awesome dude, really nice family,

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and yeah, they wanted to do a clothing line with me.
So we got a little Bobby collection and yeah that's
in the Pro Shop at TPC. It's also in Black
LaBelle which is super cool. And uh yeah, there's a yeah,
the Bobby collection. We're going to be adding to it
this summer and I and I wear it out here.

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So it's it's very cool.

Speaker 15 (53:27):
I like that is what and what a great experience, right,
I mean yeah it is yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I'm
a I love being creative and like photography and all
that stuff is right up my alley and just like
I've been able to kind of.

Speaker 14 (53:44):
Tap into that creative side with this stuff because I'm
like helping design certain things and being asked about design
elements and so that part has been really cool. Uh
cool too.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Back on the the golf thing for a moment, are
you this is a sort of a trick question, but
you'll you'll get it because you're smarter than I am.
Are you a better golfer today than you were a
year ago? Today?

Speaker 15 (54:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah for sure?

Speaker 11 (54:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Why is it? Is it experience based? Is that, like
you were answering Paul's questions earlier, is that because you've
played more? Is that a part of it.

Speaker 14 (54:23):
Yeah, yeah, I really do think so. And I've been
put in, you know, like some uncomfortable situations in the
past year that like you just grow from, and I
think that really has to do with the confidence boost. Also,
you like show yourself that you can do really hard things,
and you got out of those and you've performed well
in those hard situations, and like, my consistency has gotten

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incredibly better. And now I'm It's funny because my grandpa
I will talk about this too, like how years ago,
like I was so happy with maybe like as three
over par and now I'm like it irks me where
like that the perfectionism and you like starts to come out.

(55:07):
And I'm learning that you're never really statisfied in this game.
So you have to find those little wins everywhere else
you're gonna drive yourself nuts. But yeah, like that consistency
and my citation of myself is is way better, which
I yeah, it means I've gotten better in the last year.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
That's awesome. Well, best of luck this week. It's good
Bobby again. I tell your mom, don't tell your mom
or your dad or your sister's my favorite and all right,
established thank you. Bobby. Thank you guys, Bobby Strick, you're
playing golf down this week on the w a PT
Tour in Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
You can tell in the confidence level of the way
she speaks and the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
You know, it's different, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
No doubt.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Really you can hear it. And I'm sure Grandpa here
sees it, you know, sees it in the way she
goes about her work. And and uh and and we'll
get we'll bring Izzy back in the loop here in
a couple of weeks down the road too. It'll make
Grandpa laugh even more, no doubt. Good kids, good family,
That's where it comes from. My thanks to Dennis and
Paul and Dave mccannon doing the workout here, and to

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Gary Demono and Napocrass and Bobby Stricker for joining us.
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