Talking Golf 05-12-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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(00:28):
Here's your foursome for Talking Golf, Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer,
Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin Broadcaster, Haul of Famer, Paul Brown, Wisconsin's
premier golf reporter, Gary Demato, and Mike Heller.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
So here we go another episode of Talking Golf from
TBC Wisconsin. I'm Mike, Paul Brown, Dennis Dizziani on the panel.
Here is that what you would call this as a panel?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I don't know why? Why can we come up with
a name for him?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
They can't come up with anything that I could.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I know, but it can't.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
We can't air that. We can't air what you what
you would come up with, So we don't. And then
Dave McCann is with us, pushing all the right buttons
and wiring everything you used to see, all the wires
everything there. It's everywhere, So he takes care of all
of that to get us on the air, and I
think we've got Steve Stricker on the line to to
open the show. And uh, Steve, thanks for spending time

(01:24):
with us again on this Monday night. We appreciate it.
We'll get a health update with you first, because that is, uh,
that is first and foremost in where you're going in
your golf game. How's the health.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, it's getting better all the time. Yeah, feeling stronger, Yeah,
playing a lot more. Just trying to get my game
kind of ready to compete against those older guys that
actually play really, really well still, So.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
You got it.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
You got to be on top of your game if
you want to play well. So that's what I'm trying
to do now is to get strong and ready to play.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hey, I have a non golf question and then we'll
get back into it. So you're a turkey hunter, right,
you go out and trying Are you a turkey hunter?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I am.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I haven't gotten out there in a few years, but
it was fun to get out there early in the spring.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, because I wonder about that. I was talking to
Joe Thomas a couple of weeks ago at an event
and you know, we just driving around the corner. Here.
You see all those turkeys out in the field. Why
does it look so tough. It shouldn't be so tough.
They're just sitting right there right, I know that. I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
They get a little smarter as the season goes on.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I want I want to ask you about you got
a chance I think to play with with Jerry here
from the concept Jerry Kelly, with the concept of this
golf course playing in the team format, how does it
change your processes? You're going to be partnered up with
Mario here in about four weeks time when when they

(02:59):
play the event here event here, How does it change
your strategy on the course when you're in a best
ball and then on the Saturday playing a true scramble,
Because I would imagine it changes you from some elements
of your normal game when you're playing in a team format.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, you know Friday, when you're playing a best ball format,
you know you're pretty much worried about your own ball,
and you know you can take some risks, I guess
if your partner's in there. But the mentality of that
format is to always get a couple looks at Bertie.
You know, if you're if you're both putting for Birdie,

(03:38):
you can get pretty aggressive, you know. And then Saturdays
round with the scrambles, that's that's just gonna that's all aggressiveness,
you know, especially if the guy gets it in play,
then you can maybe hit something a little bit more
agrap of te. Yeah, so there's definitely gonna be some

(03:59):
strategy and we'll have to talk about that as we,
you know, play our practice rounds together and hopefully Mario
gets down here prior to where we can kind of
go around the course and talk about what we want
to do.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
Steve, I've played a couple of rounds with Larry Tizzyani
and when we're playing, when he gets to the greens,
he talks about there's three or four pin locations here
and that kind of thing kind of a two parter.
Is it a committee of people one or two that
decides who those pin locations are? How does that work?

(04:38):
And number two is what would some on your mind
of the pin locations that would be tough on this
golf course during the tournament.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, that's The PGA Tour has a real.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Staff and they're gonna they'll set it up and they'll
you know, they do that weekend and week out, so
there they know exactly what to do, and they'll accommodate.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Certain wind conditions, you know. You know, Jerry and I
were talking about as we're going around today. You know,
like the hole is at number twelve where you got
to hit over the hit over the creek, you know,
where they the staff can put that back where it's
going to be tough to carry it, or they can

(05:23):
move it up and let everybody carry it over. So
wind is going to dictate some of those tea placements
and pin locations.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
I think.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
But the greens, as Jerry and I were going around,
there's a lot of there's a lot of places you
can tuck and hide these pins. So I think that's
what's going to make it difficult and fun to play
out at the same time.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
How about the rules for the tournament.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
I know there's some situations like you get along the
cart path and then you've got the area of water there.
Who makes those determinations and when will that be done?
Obviously before the tournament.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, that's all the PGA Tour rule staff. Uh, they'll
they'll be in here a whole week prior to the tournament,
marking the golf course and and uh, you know, looking
at possible pin locations, t locations, all that stuff. They'll
do all that. There's an advanced guy that's literally taking

(06:24):
up shop here in Madison for a couple of weeks,
the week prior and the week of the of the tournament.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Steve, let's go back to your health and playing now.
The last time we visited, you talked about getting some
tournaments on your schedule before this. So what is your
hope or what is your schedule now to compete as
you haven't been on the Champions Tour events yet this year.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, it's a good question. I'm you know, I think
my sites are set on literally just playing these major
this year. I think there's two of these majors coming
up this week and next week. Next week is the
Senior PGA, This week is the Region's Tradition, and then

(07:10):
a week off I'll probably take, and then the AMFAM
Championship and then another week off, and then I'll play
two more majors in a row, and I that that
may be it for me this year. I'm kind of
you know, I'm enjoying my time around home and just
not golfing at times and trying to feel better to

(07:31):
be quite honestly, just trying to get feeling where excited
to play and have the body to play.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
You know, I want to go back. We can follow
up a little bit there if you have anything else,
Mike that you want to on the.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
Health aspect first, but no, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Well, I'm curious to what you think when you see
the setup out here in terms of you look at
where people are gonna be able to sit, Steve, They're
gonna be able to see an awful lot of golf
going on. It's it seems almost like it's kind of
a unique setup, wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, I looked at some of those stand locations and
where the hospitality areas are. It's literally right on top
of the green, which is really cool for the spectators
and it's actually really cool for us as players too
to be that close and personal with the fans. And
you know, the the amount of people that we've gotten

(08:33):
at this event over the years has been, you know,
one of the more attended events on the Champions Tour,
So I expect nothing different here in a few weeks time.
The field is good, We're getting some players that have
never played the MFAM Championship before, and you're going to
see a bunch of storylines with partnerships, you know, stories

(08:57):
on how those played out, and Yeah, I think it's
just going to be a really unique event and the
players are excited to be here.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
And the stand.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Locations, you know, just like a university ridge. It was
kind of focused around you know, maybe fourteen Green a
little bit, and then seventeen and eighteen. Uh here, it's
going to be kind of fifteen Green, sixteens drivable, Part four,
seventeen's at cool little short Part three, and then eighteen

(09:30):
obviously is the buildout is really big there. So it's
gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun for
us as players too to have all these people right
on top of you.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Steve a couple of final thoughts, and we appreciate your
time with it. So this week they're going to play
on the on the traditional tour, on the PGA Tour,
they're going to play the PGA Championship at Quail Hollow
in the in the majors. Three of them. On the
PGA Tour, they're always obviously played at different courses. What
was your philosophy when you were playing in those that

(10:01):
were not traditional stops, did you try to get there
a number of times or anytime in advance, or was
being there on Monday the week of the tournament enough?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
There was never one set rule for me at those majors.
Sometimes I would go in early, you know, a month
ahead of time and see the golf course. Sometimes we
go back to a course that we've been at before,
like they're going back to Quaile Hollow where most of
the players have played before, so they really don't need
to go in earlier. They'll get their Sunday nights sometimes

(10:40):
and be ready to play maybe nine holes on Monday.
And you know, maybe some guys will just play nine
holes a day and not try to wear themselves out.
Everybody's a little bit different. But I was the guy
that just kind of got in there Sunday night and
tried to get you know, nine holes, eighteen holes and
then a nine hole on Wednesday, you know, kind of
gets thirty six holes under my belt at one of these.

Speaker 7 (11:04):
Major championship venues.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
But I guess it never worked because I never won
one of those. Must have needed to do something different.
But there are always a lot of fun to.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Be a part of last one for me, Steven, And
that is about weather conditions, you know, especially at this
time of year, but it can be any time of
year playing in different weather. You know, those of us
who are casual golfers, sometimes the weather is bad, we
just canceled. But you guys, when you're playing in events,
you had to play in all different types of weather.

(11:35):
How did you adjust to that and where there's certain
conditions where you felt like maybe you have an advantage
given the style of your game.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, I never I never was upset about bad weather,
to be quite honestly. You know, growing up in Wisconsin,
you know, playing college golf in the Big Ten, you know,
spring and fall weather and the Big Ten season was
not usually very good. And I had a type of

(12:05):
game where I just grinded it out at times. You know,
I wasn't the purest ball striker, but I could get
it around, relied on my short game a lot, and
that's what you have to do really under tough conditions
or bad weather conditions. So yeah, I didn't mind that.
And you kind of just gotta acknowledge that they're going

(12:26):
to be tough and kind of embrace it, because if
you don't, then you know it's kind of got your beat.
So you have to embrace those challenges and rely on
the strengths to your game to get your own.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, Steve, best of luck this week. We're all pulling
for you. We wish you great health, and we'll chat
in the next couple of weeks and again we'll be
watching and hoping the best for you.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I appreciate you, guys, Thank you, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Thank thanks Steve. Steve joining us so interesting and you
tis you probably knew this, but he's planning to just
play on the major side of things this year, So
limited number of events for Steve along with this tournament,
and that's obviously beginning. There's a health drive to that.
And then number two, just where he is in his life.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
I watched.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
His reaction when he said that, are you a little
surprised by that?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well? What what he said about what not playing? Yeah,
not really what you know, He's just he's I mean,
he's going to surprise a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm sure I was with him.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I've been. I've been with him the last couple of days,
and today was really a breakthrough. I think for him
that was something that was bugging him, and what about this?
What about that? You know? So my position is nothing
more than a resource. I'm more of a teacher, you know.
I mean, so you sit and listen, and he asked
a question and you got to get it so that

(13:49):
it's his idea to fix it, then it works. But
the transition that I saw this today from yesterday. I
went around with him and Jerry yesterday and I could
see there were some things there. But then when we
got going today, the difference in the last half hour,
last hour totally different. If he starts playing good, I

(14:10):
would not be surprised if he'd play in a PGA event.
Oh yeah, watch out. You know. My point is, uh,
you know, I I know he he's getting stronger all
the time. Watched where his ball lined up here, watched
the clubs that he's sitting from certain yardages. You know,
he's right there. So I don't know if he's just

(14:32):
trying to go ahead to bait himself into being a
little bit better, which is normal, which is normal I'm
and all that sort of stuff. I know, if he
starts making putts lug out, you know, that's the big deal.
They're going to shoot low here, yeah, I mean when
you're going wround with he's playing from all the way
back and where they were playing from. I mean it
was nothing. I mean, they're going to shoot low. And

(14:53):
he's got a good point. He made a good point,
and umber that people are going to enjoy it because
the guys are going to be a little bit more
or loose a little bit more freedom. You know, you'll
see something. I just can't wait to see it and
see him play. But then again, I say, well, now,
if we change the speed of the green a little bit, okay,
you know, we go from the eleven, If we go

(15:13):
to twelve or thirteen and they start putting them off
the green a little bit, we'll see what happens. But
it's cool.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I got a teaching question for you. I should probably
save this for later, but it's on my mind now,
so I'll ask, will you learn more about a player's
game like a pro on the course or over at
the practice facility? And does it change for the rest
of us hacks? Do you learn more watching us hit
over at the practice facility or on the golf course?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Well, the business and the practice, that's what it is.
There's practicing and there's playing. Now, when you're practicing, you know,
a level lie, same shot all the time. You get
out there, Wait a while, now a little different lie uphill, downhill, side,
hill lies, and how are you going to know how
to maneuver the ball? So playing is more the important
thing over there. We teach muscle conditioning sure, so that

(16:05):
when you get out here you do then it's not
muscle memory because you have to have a brain have
a memory, and at last I know, muscle did not
have a brain, so there can't be memory. So it's
conditioning over and over and over again. And at the
stage that these guys are in there, that's a warm up.
So they'll go out there and totally different. They'll play.

(16:26):
They'll play the wind, they'll play the side of the
green that it's on. They look at their book now
and it tells how the slope is. Now. They both
hit on number three and the pin was back up
on the right and the slopes from there. Well, they
played it and they hit the slope and next thing
you know, they were twenty feet to the left of
the hole. Yeah, well, you know you can see that
is not going to happen again. You know, so, but

(16:49):
in his situation here, it was really good what I
saw today. I commented on it, and then I noticed
that he was going to go home, and then I
notice here of three hours later, he's still here. So
you know, it'd be one of those deals where we
say something, then he'll call me, you know, a hit
on something. Oh but we did that twenty years ago. Well,

(17:12):
so okay, but we win.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
You know, one more question about here. What wind is
the most difficult to play in?

Speaker 8 (17:19):
North here?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
North wind out, north wind is the hardest.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
You know, it's geared to be a southwest wind, and
you know that's what it's geared for, and you know
that's it, but it comes from the north. And even
that southwest wind you play from all the way back
on nine to eighteen, sure, I mean, come on, yeah, seven, yeah,
all into the wind. Par three. So the wind is

(17:41):
a big issue here. It's a big, big item because
it really does blow now that the trees are gone,
and you know the wind blows. But they're all pretty
pretty sharp about that, you know that wind. They know
how to keep the ball down, you know, choked down
a little bit, takes the weight out of the bottom
of the club three quarters to three quarter and it's over.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
You know, I got a question on the wind.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
If it's ten miles an hour, is that one more
club and then it goes up.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
If it's twenty, it's two. And depends on how they
hit the ball in the air. Okay, you get a
lot of guys hit that boring shot. Win's not going
to bother them too much at all. Now in his
particular case, Steve's now, you know, he was a slicer.
You go to hit the ball to the right. He
we showed him how to knock the ball and turn
it down, turn it in, knock the ball down, turn
it in. Well, there you go, knock the ball down,

(18:29):
turn it in front of the green, rolls to the back.
So if it bowls, he's in contention.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
True, Well, it might be either way, right. Gary Demato
is going to join us on the other side. He
was covering women's US Open qualifier today. Gary Dematto is
our weekly guest and he's with us when we come back.
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Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's talking golf on a Monday Night PC Wisconsin, Mike Keller,
Dennis Tizziani and Paul Brown on the desk panel here
the two experts and just a host. And then we
welcome in Gary Tomato our favorite guest. What that is?

Speaker 8 (22:13):
That is that?

Speaker 14 (22:14):
Right?

Speaker 8 (22:14):
Can we vote on that?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah? Your vote favorite?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, you know I vote it's my favorite. It was
Tis who was the dissenting vote here.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
And I'm on this side.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
You want to lobby on on Paul's side, Dennis, You're
not going to get a vote from I can promise you.
When he's not on the air, Gary, you spent the
day now at Elgin Country Club on the Women's US
Open qualifier. Interesting stuff on that tournament that's going to
be at Aaron Hills, uh coming up fairly soon. So

(22:46):
the process continues to go on.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
Yeah, it was. It was a great qualifier. The course
reminds me Elgin Country Club. I don't know if Dennis
has ever played here, but it reminds me a little
bit of Black Fawk in Madison. Uhre in pretty hilly.
But yeah, two qualifiers. Vanessa baul Vigos of Toronto plays
at Texas A and M and Kylie van Saga from California,

(23:10):
a young professional twenty four years old. No, no, women
with state tize made well, I shouldn't say that. One
actually is the first alternate Madison the Baggia. I don't
know if I'm pronouncing that right. She was named after
the city of Madison because her father, Mark played for
Dennis in the eighties. So that's kind of a cool.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Tie the Bagia, Right, Yeah, Mark, Mark de Bajia, you
played here. He's a he's a medical type person right now,
but he was a good player from Indiana. I think
that's where they're from. Yep, is that right? His daughter
plays well, yeah, a couple you know, the the athletic
chromosomes an XI.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, I've heard he had.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
He had nothing to do with her athletic ability.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I hope you heard me because he'll be on the
phone right away.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know that works against you too.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Oh you know that?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean, yeah, yeah, this is word Mario and Nicky
get their talent from.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's rights, right.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Uh, Gary, let let me ask you a question. I
don't know if you heard off the top, but we
had Steve Stricker in our first segment, and he talked
about at least right now, his plan is likely to
just play this event and the major events on the
Champions Tour.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Your reaction to at least that's the plan now, Your
reaction to that news from Steve Stricker.

Speaker 7 (24:29):
Yeah, you know, I didn't get to hear it because
I'm here at the golf course and I didn't obviously
couldn't listen to you guys on the radio. But I
just hope, you know that the heals that that his
neck and back, you know, heal sufficiently so that he
can play well in those tournaments. I know they mean
the world to him, and he's got such success in
the Champions Tour majors, so I know they're really important

(24:52):
to him. But you know, I remember him saying on
your show a week or two ago that he'll he'll
play in the Amstam even even if he has one
armed working, so we know he's playing there. So yeah,
I just I hope that he seals sufficiently so that
he can play the way he wants to play in
those majors, because because he's got a great record and
very important to him and everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Gary, let me ask you about the PGA Championship, which
we'll tee off the later this week at Kayle Hollow. Yeah,
in Charlotte, North Carolina. Xanderschoffley's the defending champion. Have you
been and covered at that golf course in the past?

Speaker 7 (25:25):
I have. I was at Clail Hollow, I don't know
how many years ago for one of the tournaments. Really
loved the golf course. But I'll tell you who was
in Morris, Rory McElroy. You know, he's had a ton
of success there and boy it's pretty hard. I mean
it's pretty hard to better. I'll tell you what, give
me Rory and Scottie Scheffler and the guys can have
the field and one of those two guys is going

(25:46):
to win it.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I think, yeah, yeah, it's really impressive when they're on
their game. And tis let me bring you into the
fold here. Why do certain golf courses other than the
layout suit some player's eye? Or maybe it just is
the layout that Rory loves playing there, or Steve love
playing at John Deere of course that obviously fit his view.

(26:07):
How does that work?

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, but just think about this, that's bs it is, okay,
it really is fit certain people. I can see shortness
fits some people, just like Century World fit. The guy
who you know.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's burn had longer.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, and Jerry Kelly, they drive it. They don't drive
it very far, but they drive it straight because you
know it's eighteen t's eighteen fairways, eighteen greens, a four
and a half inch hole. That's all it is. So,
but there are some places where you have augusta National,

(26:41):
the fella who I'm trying to think of, Mexican player.
You know, he could never play there because he played.
I played left to right. It's a high right to left.
Play everybody who wins there, it's a high right to left.
That's so he could never play their elevated greens. Hitting
it low left to right, no chance. So that a
case to say that's not a course for him. Yeah,

(27:03):
but these guys hit it high and right. The left
would be. But I don't think, I think a golf course.
It all depends what the guy feels like when he
gets there. He is he ready to go, ready to play,
and he doesn't have any pulls on the side and
all this other. Yeah, you take a look at some
of these guys. I think Jordan's speeds something. They have families, now, yeah,

(27:25):
you know, so that's a pull. It wasn't like it
was before up and running.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
See well, and I think Gary Nicholas, i believe, is
one of the guys that said it. When you have
a family and your devotion to the game, it usually
for many it changes their championship ability. For Jacket didn't
whether it was because he had all that support at
home or whatever the reasons, but we do see players

(27:48):
games change when they add children to the equation because
the time that you get to grind at the game
changes a little bit.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
He puts you think about the guys who were great
at compartmentalizing their lives. You know Nicholas certainly, you know
Ben Hogan another name that he you know, when he
got to the golf course, that was all business and
he had a life outside of the course, but that
was so important to him. Tiger Wood's another example of
a guy who compartmentalized. Boy, all the stuff he went through,

(28:20):
injuries and some self inflicted stuff, but you know it
didn't matter. When he got to the golf course, he
was laser focused. So yeah, that's that's an interesting point.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
I think I would wanted to chat a little bit
about the PGA or the Professional Golfers Association because you
guys mentioned Nicholas and Palmer Dennis. They changed that in
nineteen sixty eight is apparently when that whole change came up.
Why do you think Jack and Arnold did that? What
was the focus the main focus on changing that changing

(28:53):
to the PGA tour? That d oh, they didn't They
switch it from the Professional Golf Offers Association and split
off to the PG, PGA to the tour.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Why did they do that?

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Was it simply money and the opportunity or you.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Know, I still can't tell you. How was at that
meeting when Dean Beeman did that. I couldn't believe it.
I stood up in the meeting and booed him the
senior the PG Why did you do that? Why did
you give that up? But there was again where they
the players. It's a closed shop, right, they got it.
It's just for theirs. It wasn't for anybody else. And

(29:28):
of course you're hitting on me here. It was a
tough deal because all those tour players have millions of
dollars in the retirement account as a result of the players, right,
and now a PG guy Gumbell like me, has nothing.
There is no retirement account. And now I'll tell you
another story. And this is where you got me going

(29:49):
on this damn thing.

Speaker 8 (29:50):
You know, way to go, Paul.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
You know, I think that the quality and it's nothing,
no derogatory to any players or anybody who's in the PGA.
But you know, no benefits, no this no that you're
not attracting the best people that you can get to
be a PGA pro. Right, they went from eight thousand

(30:14):
people to twenty one thousand again Dues Collection Agency. Right,
And now you no, that's nothing saying these guys aren't
any good and stuff like that. But I look at
scores and the like that used to be played and
the players who played out of our section, who used
to play on a national level. It doesn't exist anymore.
It's a bothersome thing for me, you know. And so

(30:36):
you're getting guys in there that are becoming you know,
they're tied into a body of engine of people who
run the club, and you know it's not about them.
It used to be that the best player at the
club was the pro. Yeah, not the case.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Not the case. Well, in most cases you don't get
to play, right, I mean, that's not part of it.
Out of the mix.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Now, on the other side, you have more of those
people are more formally educated also, you know, so it's
a different story than the guys that I knew that
you know, they played golf, That's what they did, and
they the job that they had was kind of a sidebar. Sure,
you know for these people it's one. But still the PGA,

(31:22):
I my opinion, could do a lot better in attracting
people from a playing standpoint, if in fact there was
some benefits to doing it.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
To take care of them a little bit, Gary, before
we let you go, what's next on your agenda? I'm
sure you're playing a little bit, because I mean that's
part of retirement in there.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
Very little bit. But next to my agend as the
women's opening, and I'm really looking forward to that. See
what the women shoot there. Hopefully we get the weather cooperating.
If you guys remember in twenty seventeen, Yeah, and Brooks
kept Go one. There was a huge areen event earlier
in the week and then the wind lead down and
they just tore up that course. So I'm going to
open the wind. The wind blows and it's dry and

(32:06):
firm and fast, and it's going to be it's gonna
be fun.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
You know that Women's Open. That yeah, Women's Open's coming up.
You know, we're very much interested, as you know, we're
trying to grow the business. And uh, just prior to
that tournament that week before, we're going to have a
visitor here. She's going to spend a few days here
hitting balls and playing Madeline Sagstrum is their name, you
know that name, Oh Garry Made. Yeah, she's here. She
just won the PGA or does match play, but she's

(32:32):
going to be here as part of the deal. So
I say that because our people will be able to
watch a little bit of that. I can see them
following her and seeing a real pro lady player, first class,
who is a contender, going to be a contender here.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Fantastic, Gary Demato, We always appreciate the time we spend
with you. Thank you, and we'll look forward to talking
again next week.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Everybody else, look for everybody else will look forward to.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Two thirds of us. We'll look forward to it. Gary appreciate,
appreciate Gary Demono joining us every week.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
He's pretty good, you know, he's pretty good good. He's
one of the best out there. Tell you wait till
he he already hung off. Otherwise I never would.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
Have said it exactly right.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
We're gonna spend more time talking to Dennis about weather
conditions and about the learning facility, the teaching area here
that is about ready to open up, and a little
bit more than a little bit about the Golf Foundation.
All good works, and we'll get to some of that
when we come back. This is talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2 (36:40):
By the way, because we got Paul on the panel here,
we just heard the commercial for Casting for Kids that uh,
Markoseiki's event coming up a week from well, comes up
this Saturday. You bet what a great event that he
has put.

Speaker 8 (36:54):
Together, done that for about eight nine years, I believe.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
As their seventh or eighth, Yeah, annual. It's really good.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
Huh yeah it is, and it's fair very worthy cause
there's a lot of people that Fisher's a good competition.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah too.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Obviously for guys that go out there, we're gonna get
we're gonna win.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
The prize, this kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Those hockey guys they're pretty good, not not necessarily the
broadcasters I'm talking about them.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
No, I didn't include myself that I've actually never been
in the tournament, but it wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Os puts on a great event. He and he gets
the hockey community is so incredibly supportive. I mean, his
online auction that's going on right now is filled with
incredible memorabilia and current players signed jerseys. The hockey community
as you well know in you for your career spent

(37:44):
around those guys, they're tremendously supportive of one another. Dennis,
let's let's run back in. I wanted to talk about
playing in conditions. Right, So we're talking a little bit
about with wind out here. But Steve was talking about
conditions never really affected his game because he grew up
here playing big ten golf. But some people really struggle

(38:04):
when the weather is not ideal, whether it's windy or
cold or a little bit wet. How does the game
change and what are some of the key characteristics for
players to keep in mind. Let's say that it's blowing, like,
what's the idea.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Well, you're gonna have to you hear the story. Let
the wind be your friend.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I was always the other way, go against the wind
one way or another, because the wind will hold.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Up kind of like your life.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. Anyway, in his particular case,
what he learned how to do was to knock the
ball down and turn it in sure, so in the wind,
knocking it down and turning it in would be Now
you do that choke down in the club a little bit,
takes the weight out of the bottom of the club,
because it's the weight at the bottom of the club
that makes the ball go up. So you take an

(38:53):
inch off, give you cuck, take a couple of swing
weights out, and then you'll go a half to a
half or three quarters to three quarters of your swing.
I don't want to use the word punch shot because
it's not a punch, but it's an abbreviated follow through
to keep the ball down to play. Now, the hard
part here is going to be if the pins are tucked,
how are you going to hit the ball down and

(39:14):
keep it somewhere on the green? So you're going to
have to be a little bit careful to do that. Now,
the advantage here is the fairways here are real firm.
You know, it's a sand base, it's firm. Anytime you
have a sand or a firm the ball will leave
the club off the bottom of the club. There's the spin.
So they're going to be able to get more spin
here and control the ball and even turn the ball

(39:36):
a little bit more but you know you playing that
wind is to be careful to I've always done this.
Cut the green into quarters, sure, small target, small miss.
Only play to those quarters. Forget about this pin thing.
Make sure you're putting it on because that's where it's
going to be. One is putting, Yeah, and that's going

(39:58):
to be a big item here, putting. When the greens
are fast like that and the wind blows, the wind
is definitely going to affect the ball here. So I
hope it blows like him.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yes, I know you do talk about blowing like hell.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
We were playing last week, including with your brother on seventeen.
For people that haven't been here, it's a very short
par three, but there's a brick wall right in front
of the green. That wind was blowing about twenty.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
Five miles an hour. We scoped it.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
It was one hundred and eleven yards. Three of us
hit eight irons and one hit a nine iron, and
two of the three guys including me, were short with
the eight iron.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
The wind is a big factor. It's one of the
things that's hard to beat. That's why you try to
neutralize it, you know, But when you've grown up here,
you know that wind sure is something we're going up.
You play overseas, you know, in Scotland places like that.
In fact, that's where that now they change it used
to be us.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
You play a.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Small ball, yeah yeah, because that small ball wasn't affected
by the wind. You could hit a regular size ball.
You get as hard as you want into the wind
two hundred yards. That's all we'll go.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
You made fun of us last year because Paul and
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Well, there's a lot of things.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
I know, a lot of you have to bring that up.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, Well, those Texans that have always talked about playing
in the wind, you know, give me a sense of
what that definition is. You know how they do it
or what they do.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
They'll all play the ball down, you know, it's it's
on the green and roll. Yeah, not this business of
fly and playing it and you just have to get
it on the green and hope they hell that it
stays there.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
You know what is? Give me your philosophy on the lift,
clean and place in weather conditions that have allowed that.
Are you a fan of lift clean and place when
the weather is dictated such I am.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I am a fan because mud on the ball, that's unfair. Yeah,
because you know you got to now you know it's
going to go on the side that the mud is on.
That's that's why it's going to take out. But how
are you going to go right now? You're going to
play hit this course when that mud on the ball.
So lift clean and place would be pretty good.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I got my hand raised. I got a question.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
You go ahead.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
So without lift clean in place, do you believe that
there ought to be a rule in place that allows
you to take mud off of the golf ball if
indeed that happened, But we're not playing lift clean and
place and there's mud on the golf ball.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Well, the lift cleaning place is more from a water standpoint, correct,
you know, getting other products?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
You know, No, that's just part of the deal. It's
like hitting out of a divot. We've had that conversation before.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, well hitting it out of the divots, you know,
that's the thing we have to watch out here because
a lot of the holes they're not layup holes, but
there's places that you have to hit from right and
I can see I can see it out there now
from one hundred and twenty yards out on the second hole.
Sure divots, Yeah, you know, so we have to be

(42:58):
really careful of that.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Let's talk about the learning facility here and where you
are in the process, and we're talking about a TPC Wisconsin.
And when I talk about the learning facility, you don't
have to be a member to be coming out here
and taking lessons and that kind of a concept. But
you're about ready to open that up here next shortly.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
It'll be open on the fifteenth. It's called a TPC
Academy TPC Golf Academy. Now keep in mind that that
was the naming rights our Steve Stricker American Family Foundation term,
so that is there, but it's still going to be
TPC Academy, but they have the naming rights to it.

(43:39):
And they made a sizeable contribution obviously to get this started.
But it's going to be done here by the fifteenth.
The track man is going in. Now there's four bays.
They're twenty eight feet wide, fourteen feet eighteen feet deep,
fourteen feet high, and it's geared a lot to multiple

(44:00):
people inside their teaching and that's what it is. It's
really a teaching facility because there's three trackmen and one
that's strictly club fitting, so it's pretty cool. But there's
other things in there too. You know, it has its
own restaurant type thing I don't know. And it has
its own putting lab. So I mean from a learning standpoint,

(44:23):
And keep in mind that was done in conjunction with
the Golf the Golf Foundation of Wisconsin. Now that Golf
Foundation of Wisconsin with something we have going that. What
it does is it raises money to pay instructors who
are in a non metropolitan area that has a high school,

(44:44):
it has a girls golf team, that coach will be
able to access this teachers in their area or ours.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, and I think it's important to note that most
of those golf coaches in those non metro areas are
just teachers and they're facilitating. They manage the golf program
more than they teach it. And what you're allowing is
through the foundation is instructors, right.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
They can come there, they can be and then they're
also part of the because you know, it's it's geared
towards women's golf, there's no doubt about that. But and
the and the learning center, the the teaching academy here upstairs, yeah,
you know, or the fitness center, fitness parts, you know,
that's a big part of what we're going on because

(45:30):
in women that women's sport, they're better for golf than
any than they have better, they're more supple, better retention,
better concentration. They just don't have hand strength. Women don't
have like guys have the handstring. So it's something that
we go ahead and work and work again. Right, Well,
when I was coaching, we would get a racketball, put

(45:51):
a string on it and hang it from their directional
signal and then as they drove around, they pumped this
thing so that they got to be strong. Muscle got
to be strong. So there's already two schools that Travis
has already been at that don't have program, but he
was teaching golf. They are now starting a women's a
girl's golf program in their high school.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, that's fantastic.

Speaker 8 (46:13):
Well, it's really cool, Dennis.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
I'll tell you what, when you talk about this total
facility in the instruction level that you're going to have
in here, there's not a lot of these kind of
facilities in this part of the country, right, this is
going to be something that's very unique.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Well, already it's the talk of around the United States
about what's here. Well, we're one of thirty courses in
the TPC, there's only thirty of us, and this one
here is geared towards that. Yeah, and we are instruction based.
You know, Larry and I starting out, and we've got
Travis going and now Dylan. I mean, there's some people
there that are really good at what they do. Now,

(46:53):
there are also some good people in this city, you know,
SNAr these people, sure they're doing a really good job.
But here there's a little bit of a different commitment.
That's job one. It's a whole different situation of different
than over here. This is totally different. What's going over
the balls that you hit, the instruction that you get,
and you know they're already booking week long instructions. People

(47:16):
come in here to stay for a week, not just
an hour, you know, stay for a week. So the
playing part is another thing where we can take them
off to the short game area, a look at who
has a short game.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
So if you have a family member, a young person
in your family that is really in love with a
game of golf and wants to get solid instruction, this
is going to be a key place.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Well you know, I know there's fifty people already in
his program that are juniors that are here learning about
this sort of stuff, and a good portion of them
young girls, which is something that we're after. So it's
really cool. I mean, you know, the whole thing. Obviously,
it gets me going because that's where it's at. I
like the golf course. I like all that stuff. It's good,

(47:58):
you know, but it's not like that as smiles that
you get from not only the kids but from their
parents after they get done unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
There's one rule, though, you got to change with all
of this, oh boy, especially from you and.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Larry to one left hander is all we get.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
If there's two left handers on the range at one time,
they'll walk up to him and say one of you
two has to sit out.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
You got to get rid of that rule.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
A couple of times I thought about just going over
there to hit left handed and make you sit down.
That's right, they're going to do it. We'll take a break.
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Final segment of Talking Golf on a Monday Night at
TPC Wisconsin. Mike Keller, Paul Brown, Dennis Honey, with you.
Dave mccannon is our engineer and tis one of the
things we've learned now over the last number of days
is that all of the former champions are going to
be here at the MFAM Champion Chip June sixth through
the Ace. So Jerry's won it twice and all the

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former champions will be represented here, which is great.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, they're all you know, they're excited. Steve had a
lot to do it in Jerry too. You know, they're
kind of got a a thing for survey from the
players and they wanted another change in format and they
accept it. In you're gonna find I tell you what
you get a guy like.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Bern arn longer, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
They get if he gets to some guy that drives
it two eighty to tell look out, watch out. That's right.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
You think it's going to be potentially twenty eight to
thirty under, Oh, I'll.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Tell you what it's going to be low. They just
watch these two guys. They both hit it really pretty good.
I mean they're not short, they're not long, sure, but.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Boy, well, what about a scramble score? Do you do
you think sixty gets messed with on Saturday when they're
playing a true scramble, two man scramble.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
I mean twelve under yeah, oh like nothing, yeah, like nothing.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So one of the teams is good shoot in the fifties.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
And you know, the greens are really him. They're perfect,
they're new, they're perfect, and they're gonna they'll run at
twelve plus. You know it's oh the ball wiggle around
a little bit. But there's some great players on there.
And uh, just watching those two guys and how they
went around the water, the stuff on the sides that

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never came into play, it does for me me too.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
Can I ask them a lesson question?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Maybe?

Speaker 8 (53:27):
Seriously?

Speaker 6 (53:28):
You have people I'll just use myself.

Speaker 8 (53:31):
As an example.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
Left handed, My scores are going up, I am my
handicap is also going up. And people say play to
have fun. If you're a competitive person and you still
want to try and play.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Better golf, it's very difficult.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
To transition to getting higher scores and having fun. I mean,
what's what would you say to.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
That do what you're doing? What's that learning how to
hit it halfway? Decent?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah? Taking?

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I mean they say you just.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Shot eighty I did in one round, not here, but
I did yesterday at Lake Ripley.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Well, your game will travel out of here pretty well.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Yeah, I mean, there's no question.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And the other thing is playing. But if you're worried
about hitting instead of worrying about playing, you're going to
play bad. Yeah, you stand there and worry about hitting,
You got a problem?

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, I mean that concept is what you teach all
the time when you're over there. Worry about hitting. When
you're over here, worry about playing.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Playing. That's right, play different clubs. You don't have to
have a driver in every hole.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Yeah, you suggested, he suggested today, I move up to
the fives here. Well, that's a tough thing, though, I mean, seriously,
to accept that and move up people.

Speaker 8 (54:52):
Probably I'm not the only one. You don't really want.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
To change that. You didn't hit it bad? Well, how
could that be? Di? It's so good? You only had
to do one thing? Yeah, then what how did you do?
What are you doing?

Speaker 6 (55:04):
I didn't do very well with the irons. Well, the
tip you gave me was on the driver, and that's work.
But the irons it hasn't worked.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Different sounds like it's a dentist issue now, Oh yeah,
no question.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
What he's angling for is we got to go overhit again.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Uh huh, he's just putting in for that, putting in
for that.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Com seriously adjusting your attitude in golf as you get older,
and we were flexible.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
We were talking about that last year with Nicky's good
friend who came on the show a couple of times,
and she was talking about her dad and he said
the best thing he did was when he moved up
a tea and then the game got to be more
enjoyable again, because I would. I mean, I can attest
to this just as you can. As we get older,
the things that we're doing on the golf course aren't
as good, and then it becomes a challenge to find

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the joy in it. When your scores are going up.
I totally get that. But you're handicapped. You're setting people up.
I see what you're doing, and you're gonna get in
their pocket a little bit later, letting them up with
a high er handicaps.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
You should hear the conversation at the tail with us.
I'm sure thirteen or eighteen handicamp and he hits it
on the green and of course he gets a stroke. Yeah,
so he gets a stroke on the green.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah that's no, that's no good. Yeah. Yeah, Well, we
had a lot of fun tonight. A big thank you
to Steve Stricker who joined us right out of the
gate tonight and he's going to be playing this week
for the first time on the champions Tour this year
and we're looking forward to that and wishing him the best.
Gary Demato two thirds of us always appreciate when he's
on the show, and he was with us this week.

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My thanks to Dave mccannon for Paul Brown and Dennis Dizziani.
I'm Mike Heller. That's been talking golf At TPC Wisconsin.
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