Talking Golf 05-19-25

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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(00:28):
Here's your foursome for Talking Golf, Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer,
Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin Broadcaster, Hall of Famer, Paul Brown, Wisconsin's
premier golf reporter, Gary Demato, and Mike Heller.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh no, hall of famers.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, I got nothing.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Of this.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Last week. The script is in. We tried to get
a change today.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Next week it will be.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I didn't write or approve the strip. I didn't demand it.
My agent didn't go to people. I don't have an agent,
so all of.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
That are you're still using that agent.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I don't have one.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I didn't mean to set you guys up.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, well we'll change. It will change next week.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Welcome in. It is Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin, and
uh we're when we go two weeks from tonight, it
will be tournament. Yeah here at the AMFAM Championship.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Starting to look like it.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I know here, isn't that?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, it is that. And Dennis, we'll start with that
because you know you've been out here. How many years
from Cherokee to when did you begin with Cherokee?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's now fifty fifty three years.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I've never had grandstands out here. I don't believe at
any time have you.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
No, You're been like no over on tennis.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Okay, but this golf course has it is transformed with
the spectator viewing areas. They're not done, but they will
be in time to do this and it is quite
a visual transformation. And the workload it is pretty much
NonStop every day.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
It has to be, you know, but keep in mind
when we build, it's a tournament course, so the place
is where the stands are. It was built for that,
different than if it went to a tournament, went to
a course that wasn't ready for this type of deal.
So the viewing is phenomenal. They've done a really good job.
There's more stands, you know. It's behind fourteen, behind fifteen,

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on sixteen, the whole coal on seventeen, the whole hole
eighteen and nine tremendous viewing opportunity for people to see.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Guys, I want to ask you this question, because all
three of us are out here. I don't think it's
unrealistic to say. Depending on where you're sitting in the
bleachers right next to the front of the building, you
may be able to see people tee off on one
and ten, come in on fifteen, drive on sixteen, come

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in on eighteen, and watch them put on nine without movie.
Is that it?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's true?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, well, I think that's legitimate.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
From the front of the building, From the front of
the right, you can see sixteen holes. You can't see
number four or number five. You can see sixteen holes.
I can watch players play.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Bring binoculars, by the way, that's.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Right, that's just like, that's a good idea. That's a
great idea.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Bring your binoculars.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
You can watch all the good looking chicken Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Good looking golf going on out here.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
But seriously, it is phenomenal and I'm not just pumping
the tires. It's legitimate.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think I think it's going to be fantastic. And
I saw over the weekend there were they had to volunteer,
showing up on Saturday to be trained and kind of
get a lay of the land. So the parking lot
was full. And we're going to talk with Katie Johnson
at about six thirty tonight. She is the tournament manager.
Some will remember Katie is Katie Elliott. Katie Johnson is

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the tournament manager. A very good golf family and she
has been with the AMFAM Championship for a bunch of years.
We'll talk to her about what is going on with
but let's now look back of the weekend. Let's talk
about Scotti Scheffler. It is his fifteenth win. His first
win on tour came in February twenty twenty two in
the waste management at TPC Scottsdale. So in three years

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and three months he's won fifteen times on tour. The
money's ridiculous. I want to talk about the money, but
it doesn't matter. He's winning a lot. He's been number
one rank golfer in the world for more than one
hundred weeks total time. And I've said this before, but
I much more value your opinion on golf Dennis when

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he's at his best. Right now, he is unquestionably the best.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
He really is. He's going to go down as one
of the best too, and I don't want to say
this negative. However, he's shooting the scores to win. But
there's a lot of players in the field who aren't
quite to his caliber in the competition. A lot of
those people, you know, some of them have families now too,

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some have left went to the live tour. But that
being said, either he's a tremendous player. Fundamentally, you know,
through the ball, he's as good as it could be.
But if you watch him when he takes it away
and he rips up down and he you know, he
loses his footing half the time. Other than that, that
business of how he comes into the ball is as

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good as anybody.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Dennis, it used to be Tiger, and I would think
it'd be a fair assessment to say that everybody else
on the tour there was them, and then there was Tiger,
and everybody knew it is that the new situation was No.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, Tiger's a whole different class, a whole different deal.
Even when I watch him today, fundamentally his swing is perfect. Okay.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
These other guys have all kinds of flaws, but I
think they're flaws, but they have been able to do
them over and over again, and they've been pay But
you notice they don't stay for a long time. Sure
they're here and they're gone. They're here and they're gone.
But this guy here, he's here all the time. He's
staying right on, right on course. So you know, but
he but he's a good player. You understand, there's a

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difference between hitting the ball and playing. You know, he's
he's such a good guy that his good guy carries
over to the you know, he lives he plays golf
the way he lives his life. That's impressive, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, I was. I was having this conversation on my
statewide show earlier today, and I wonder what your opinion,
other than the politics of live do you think live
tour plays that come back and play in the majors
are negatively impacted by the style of golf that live
plays fifty four holes, shotgun starts. Do you think that

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that impacts you know, we talk all the time about
being comfortable when you're uncomfortable, and I don't know if
they're uncomfortable very often on the live tour. Do you
think there's some merit to that concept.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think the competition makes you better there. They don't
play in enough tournaments or over time to do it.
And I cannot believe that when you get paid that
kind of money, your brain kind of ticks off a
little bit. Now you have to have that want in
order to do it, and I don't think that it's there.
I'm hoping it gets together sometimes. I don't know how

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that will ever happen.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, I have I'm not sure either. And I wondered
about money too, because if you bring money into the equation,
even though he's earned it by tour wins, you know,
Scotty Scheffler doesn't need the money anymore. He's not playing
for the money, right, So what's that differentiate? What differentiates
the player that didn't play him for money anymore? He's playing,

(08:06):
but he's.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Past that point, right, He's past that point of the money.
That's not such an inventary. What it was made three
million bucks.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Was three point four to win this weekend.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
You know, you'd like to be as Caddy as Caddy
made twenty percent of that. Caddy made seven one thousand.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
One stat on the weekend I thought was shocking, and
that is holes fourteen and fifteen. They were three hundred
or more under par on those two holes sixteen through eighteen,
they were more than five hundred over par. Yeah, that's

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an unbelievable swing. And it must say how tough sixteen,
seventeen and eighteen were.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, well, you know they can make it tough. You know,
you put the pins and how the speed of the
green comes and stuff like that, you can make it
as hard as you know. It's almost unplayed. Am here
is going to be a little bit different here because
these fairways are sand top dress, they're firm. Because the

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fairways firm, they're going to be able to go ahead
and get hit it higher because of the bounce and
a lot more spin. So that pin is going to
be difficult to hide the pins here. We'll watch that
see if it happens. And the scores I think are
going to be extremely low. I went around with Stevens
Jerry when they're here, Well you know, our guys are

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you know how hard it is to drive it and
everything else? Well, you know you're not, You're not any good,
you know that's what the deal is? Yeah right, actually
you know they but you can see that they're gonna
they're gonna shoot low twenty under maybe Well you know

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it's going to be low. I mean eight under around
is twenty four, ten under thirty scramble.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I would think Saturday, they're shooting double digits Saturday.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's going to be really fun to watch. It's great
for the customer or the viewer. They're going to be
I think, much more relaxed playing. I think you'll have
conversations and you'll see some real golf because they're going
to turn it loose. You know they're going to be aggressive.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, let me ask you about the non conforming drivers.
Both Rory McElroy and Scottie Scheffler. They tested randomly fifty
players drivers and those two, at least those two that
we know of, were non conforming, so they had to switch.
And Ry didn't handle switch very well. He did not
drive the golf ball well. And Scotti Scheffler won the tournament.

(10:37):
Can you paint the picture to understand what a non
conforming driver face? That these guys weren't trying to cheat, but.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
What well, first of all, you know, first of.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
All, he gets in the whisper voice, I don't know
what's coming.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Nowt Well to be real though, the face is really
made really thin now sure, and you're allowed so much
of that coefficient of expansion on that face.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
The trampoline effect.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right, But you know you hit it so many times
it weekends, you know, you know how long has that
been going on? How long has it been weak? Why now,
just before the tournaments start to you check the data,
does somebody complain that those boys are hitting it too far?
They are hitting it far, and that has a lot
to do with it the face. There's also another part,
and that's the shaft. They were able to make the

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shaft much thinner now than they were years ago. They
were thick, you know, years ago. And when you can
make that shaft thin, you can get more twist, more
radial torque in that shaft. Radial torque is distance. So
it's not all the face. It's that part too. I mean,
come on, three hundred and forty yards a three twenty
three thirty carry. Something isn't right. I guess the ball

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has a lot to do with it. I get it,
but I don't know. It's hard to believe that I
didn't know that the ball is going a little bit
higher and a little further after I've had this thing,
how long have I been playing with this club?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know. Yeah, they don't test every week, and they
don't test every play.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Now, and how you know for me, how did it
all start out? I think you should do that because
it is an issue, but I think before too long.
And it's happened to some of our people here. The
face cracks. It happened to Steve. His face broke. Yeah,
because and that hitting in the same spot over and
over and over again, and that hard. You got to

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give him credit, But I don't know. I have a
hard time with that business a checking somebody. You know,
you could wait till after.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
The tournament, at least the major championship on the champions Tour.
They will play again this week in the Senior PGA Championship.
Then they have the week off and then they'll be
right here. What did you see from Steve? He shot
sixty eight seventy two seventy sixty nine in his first
competitive tournament this year, finished nine under power, tied for

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twenty second on Hell Cabrero won it. Jerry Kelly was
one shot back. That tournament finished today. What did you
see from Steve?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, I see that it was rusty. I when I talked,
I didn't have a pain, but he didn't play very good,
but I watched some of that putting, and that's the
thing that goes away that short game in that putting,
and I'm hoping that, you know. I texted him and
I said, you know that it's a great warm up
for this week. And you know he's got a great

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caddy on the bag.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
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Speaker 3 (13:28):
Congressional and carry the bag?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Is he caddy? You know, she'll be multi will be
too long list. When they played, you know, and uh,
they were playing the net. You how they played the
couples of yea and their father dog or the father
son and then she's going along and she's been good
at about the six holes. She tells him, Dad, when
are you going to start playing? You know, that's her dad,
When are you going to start playing?

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Do you think four days of competition, based on his
performance and what the injuries he had in the past,
could be a factor or did he say, how he's.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, but eight days would because he has there's really
three tournaments before ours, but he can't play in that
last one. Eight days is going to be plenty for
him to do. And you know he's not he's fifty
eight now, not that that's that old. But you know
how long he's.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Been doing this, Yeah, and close to thirty years.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, And he's got he likes being home. He's got
a lot of things that he does here other than golfing.
But I still think, and I said this before, his
history is in his future. His history may not be
competitive golf, but the history for him as a result
of playing golf sure is still out there. So he's like,

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he's very in tune to Children's hospital, you know, you know,
we know, I just talked to a young fellow that
he gave gave to the university for scholarship. So he's
very much into all that stuff. Things that he doesn't
talk about, things that he won't talk about. But there's
more to him than just yes business of winning.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Plus watching Izzy and Bobby.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Play, well, you know that's it. And you know I
look at some of the things that they're working on
and I don't know if I would do it that way,
but we have a rule. It's Dad first, Grandpa second.
You know, that's the way I work. Dad first, Grandpa second.
So when he's gone, and you know, they'll say I'm
gonna hit some balls, you care to watch? You know,

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I said Okay, well he's away. He's away.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
We're gonna visit with Gary Demato. He'll join us on
the other side. Katie Johnson, the tournament manager here at
the NFAM Championship. Three weeks out, two and a half
weeks out. She will join us at six thirty and
we welcome you aboard. We'll be back in a couple
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Back with you. It's talking golf at TPC Wisconsin and
Mike Keller that is Dennis is the middle. Paul Brown
is here as well.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
We get to watch a little equipment adjustment out here.
Just outside the window.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Dropped the little palette of some of the bleachers that put.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
More guys all by himself. I think he's calling somebody
that's gonna need help.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
He's got back healthier in a moment. Gary Dematto and
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Gary Demotto, former president of the National Golf Writers Association
of America joins us Gary. We were talking about the
PGA big shot is right. We were talking about the
PGA Championship. It was at Quail Hollow, and I think

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Quail Hollow got a little bit of a bad rap
going into the tournament. What were your thoughts on how
that tournament course stood up over the weekend?

Speaker 10 (19:46):
Well, I did think you got a bad rap. I
mean Hunter Mayhon said some bad things about Claile how
I mean Hunter Mayhon wasn't in the field, he hasn't
even played for four years, and some other players said
a couple of derogatory things, and then it he sort
of became the story. Dusier. Early in the week with
the media, a lot of people wrote that it doesn't
it's not a great a major championship venue. But I say,

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look at the leaderboard. Was it good? It was great.
Look at the winner. I mean the cream rose to
the top. Except for maybe Rory McElroy. It was a
great leader board. And that finishing stretch, I mean fourteen
and fifteen are holes where you can you know, I
think Paul pointed out earlier in the soul you know,
you could really attack those folds and make birdies and

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then that the green miles sixteen, seventeen and eighteen were
very difficult goals where a lot of things. You know,
there was a lot of drama. I just I thought
it got a bad rap. I thought it was a
really good championship venue.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Gary. Let me ask you a question. You've followed the
tour for many, many years. Apparently Rory did not talk
to the media in this tournament. You have a problem
with that. I'm just curious if you would have been there.

Speaker 10 (20:56):
I do a little bit. I mean, Rory, I'll say this,
Rory's always been great. I mean he's been really good
with the media and always accessible and you know, a
good quote and uh, you know, thoughtful and introspective. But
you know, obviously he was disappointing the way he played.
We all understand that. And you know, the players, some
of them don't think they have an obligation to talk

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to the media. But I kind of disagree with that.
I mean, I think they are obligated to talk. I mean,
he didn't have to talk every day, but certainly at
the end of the championship he could have spread five
minutes to talk about the disappointment. And uh, you know,
let him have a cooling off period. I understand that,
like they do in other sports, but then he should have,
you know, come out to the flash quote area. I think,

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and just answered a few questions. I do have a
little bit of problem. I mean, you know, you can't
just talk when things go great. You have to explain
yourself when things don't. I mean, the fans and the
people want to know what's going through your head in
that at that point.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
But you're really not talking to the media. You're talking
to the people, yes, and you know, talking to the people.
I mean, you're not big enough to handle it. But
who knows what happened. You know, he might' you know,
I don't know, his girlfriend might have let him go
or something. You never know what happens. Why you want to.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Do that is so on the non conforming drivers. Had
you ever covered in stories of that and what's your
interpretation of how that played out this weekend?

Speaker 10 (22:23):
Yeah, you know, I looked at a lot of social
media when it came out that Rory's driver was being
non confirming. A lot of people don't understand what that means,
and a lot there's people accusing Rory of cheating. I mean,
come on, Rory McRoy is not a cheater, and neither
is obviously Scottie Scheffler. What happens is and I think
Dennis explained it that when you hit a driver hundreds

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and hundreds and hundreds of time to speed those guys
generally the face spins out a little bit and they
get a little bit more of a half wan effect
than when the club is new. And then it goes
beyond the USG's you know, limit to what is acceptable.
So that's all it happened, and it happens a lot,
but it is interesting, and I think you guys pointed
out that when Rory had a change drivers driver heads,

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he definitely had trouble driving the ball straight. I mean,
he's been the longest straighter driver maybe we've ever seen,
and he had a hard time hitting fairways in this championship.
So something was not exactly identical with that driver head
or the way it married to the shaft as his
previous driver.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
We're talking to Gary Demato, who joins this weekly on
the program. Let me ask you about some in state stuff. Yeah,
let's start with the with the Cohler kind of angling
for more tournaments, major tournaments. Ryder Cup. What's the storyline
with coler.

Speaker 10 (23:42):
Yeah, they've already got three USG championships coming up, not
certainly not a US Open, but you know, nice big
national championships. But they really won another Ryder Cup. And
I read some quotes by David Kohler, the CEO of
Herb coler the late Rip coler Son, saying we deserve
another Rider Cup. And it's pretty hard to argue with that.

(24:02):
I mean, you know, they said, they said revenue records
at Whistling Straits, the course was able to be you know,
Steve Stricker and his team and the PGA of America
were able to set that course up that favored the Americans.
They won nineteen and nine, you know, a scoring record.
The fans were, I mean, out of this world. The
enthusiasm and the size of the crowds was amazing. Why

(24:25):
wouldn't they get another Ryder Cup. The only problem is
the next available date in the US is twenty forty one,
so that's a long way off. But I said, yeah,
that tournament gets spoken for pretty quick. But I sure
hope they bring it back to Wisten straight. I do
think they definitely deserve another one.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
And then I didn't. You're gonna have to fill me
in on the story of the WPGA match play with
the Yeah, with Schumann and Teresa fill me in and
those who are listening that storyline.

Speaker 10 (24:55):
Yeah, you know, Jim Schuman and Eddie Drassa, two of
the best playing club profess in their state for the
last two plus decades, sort of filled in after Dennis
and his group, you know, and those those two guys
are their class acts. They're great players on a national
level even and they've been going at it, you know,

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for years and years between them, they've won like, you know,
forty tournaments, major tournaments, PG stroke Plays and match plays
and state Senior Opens and state opens. And they went
head they had last week in the WPG match Play
Championship in early round i think the second round, and
Schuman was was three up with I think five or

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six holds to go, and Eddie won a couple of holes.
Then Schumann Birdie's the last hole, which normally would have
won it, except Eddie eagled it to fource extra holes
and Schumann finally won on the third extra hole. But
just a tremendous match, and you know, what would one
more would you expect from two Hall of famers and
two great players and guys I've enjoyed covering for the

(25:57):
last twenty five years. Really good people too.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
You know, sometimes in media they tell you not to
ask a question if you don't think you know what
the answer is going to be. But I'm going to
ask both you and Dennis this question from this last
weekend's PGA Championship. I don't know how many PGA club
pros are in the field. That's the only tournament twent
okay twenty. Do you like that it's the only tournament

(26:23):
that does it. Let me start with Dennis. Do you
like that club pros are in the PGA Championship? None
of them made the cut. A couple of years ago
it was Michael Block who made the cut and was
in contention, But otherwise not, I mean this year and last,
I don't believe anybody made the cut. What's your view
on that tournament using PGA club pros?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, anytime I see that that when you put a
club pro in who doesn't play golf for a living,
you're taking a spot away from somebody who is playing
for a living. So I have a negative of that. Okay,
I like the idea that were the club pro gets
some opportunity because you know, there was a day when
the best player at the club was the was the

(27:05):
club pro.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Really, it's not very common anymore.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's not very common anymore. So you've taken that away
to become credit card collector stuff like that. So they
but there are some that you know, you know, can't
afford to be out there, have families, have all that
sort of stuff. So having that opportunity to play, I
think it was great. I was one of those people,
and I played at Congressional, right, but I made a cut.

(27:33):
Kidding you, I didn't make the cut, but as was
a joke different. But you know, you know, my thing is,
I just think that the club pro is getting ripped off.
That we spend all this time teaching people, young people
players who go on to the tour, yet we have
no benefit, zero benefit from tour money from pension. That's

(27:55):
my point. That's the deal. Somewhere along the line, that is,
if I had to do this over right now, based
on where the tour and live, I'd start a third tour. Yeah,
I'd start the PGA tour and I'd start all over
again and get people to play in the Pro Tour,
but we have to participate in the proseason. I've yet
to see a very successful business that does not offer

(28:16):
their employees benefits. Yeah, and the big one is the
retirement program for one k. Stuff like that that doesn't happen.
I got a qui bitching about it. I know that.
But an answer to your question, it's nice that some
get in there. Twenty you're throwing a little bit of
a fruitcake out there to it. But I look at

(28:37):
it the other way. You're taking away a spot from
somebody who does that for a living.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Gary, your thoughts on PGA Club pros playing in the
PGA Championship a major.

Speaker 10 (28:46):
Yeah, I have a little bit different take than Dennis.
You know, it really strong. Let me talk. It's the
strongest CEO outside of the Players Championship. I mean they
get I didn't look at the top hundred this week,
but they typically get you know, ninety six to ninety

(29:06):
nine of the top hundred players in the world. One
of those guys is going to win the championship, right one.
Someone in the top hundred, well, the bottom twenty in
that field of one fifty six, those guys aren't going
to win Now, I know you're taking away a spot,
as Dennis points out, and that's the gallid point. But
those bottom twenty guys, they're not going to win the
pg championship. So why not, let you know, why not

(29:27):
throw a bone to the twenty PGA members.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'll just throw one word. I'll just throw one word out,
John Daily, last question.

Speaker 10 (29:36):
Yeah, okay, yeah, he was an acceptable rule.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
I agree, whoa but he won.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
He was alternate to get in the event and he
won the tournament.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
So it does I rest my rare occasion.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Very quick one for you, and maybe your list will
have changed in the last couple of years. Let's what
is your three top hidden gems of golf courses in
the state of Wisconsin? And question is Hawksview in Lake
Geneva one of your three?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
As question, I'm just going to sound like these guys
on the golf No, I'm just curious. Well, then ask
the question, but answer, but then you say what you want,
then you can disagree with it. You had that throw
that in there, you.

Speaker 10 (30:24):
Know, Gary, I enjoy Hawksview. I really like it. I
wouldn't put it in my top three, okay, I like
the I like courses that really are hitting gyms that
that you know, a lot of people don't know about.
There's a course called Spring Valley down near the state line.
It's a Langford Moreau. Same guys who designed the Sonia

(30:45):
Links and uh and West Bend Country Club, great architects,
and they design this this course that it's owned by
a family, the Wagner family, and they don't have the
money to you know, spend millions of dollars on maintenance,
so it's it's a little shaggy, but it is a fun,
fun golf course. And then there's a course called Eagle Springs.
It's a nine hole Are you guys familiar with that one?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I am not.

Speaker 10 (31:06):
It's a it's one hundred and fifteen years old. Some
of the holes were designed by A. G. Spauling of
the Spawling Sporting Goris Company. It's a little nine hole
course near mcgwonago and it is just a blast to play. Really.
I mean, you wouldn't design the course like this one today,
but it's one of those courses that has quirky holes
that are fun holes and memorable and it's you know,

(31:29):
it's a twenty or twenty five dollars round of golf.
It's very affordable. And so those are those are two
that come in line immediately.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
How about Milwaukee Country Club?

Speaker 10 (31:40):
Well, yeah, I'm about the central world, Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
But Wisconsin, well I would nobody can play them. Well yeah,
nobody can play on that.

Speaker 10 (31:55):
Yeah, but they get great from because they're great golf courses,
you know, So I'll try. Of course, a lot of
people don't sure.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Do they give you free green fees that way? You
home boy? I oh, you're gonna pay when you come here?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Oh yeah, Gary Demato, thank you. We always appreciate it.
We'll look forward to the next week when we visit again.
All right, thanks, all right, thank you. Gary. Uh. Katie
Johnson is the tournament magic manager at the m FAM
Championship coming up just over two weeks from now, and
she will join us when we come back. It's talking
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Speaker 3 (35:43):
It is Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin. I'm Mike Keller,
Paul Brown, Dennis Dizziani join me on a panel and
we are happy to welcome Katie Johnson to the show.
She's the tournament manager for DMFAM Championship coming up just
over two weeks from now. Do you like looking at
the calendar, Katie and that you're two weeks, two weeks
in a day, or two weeks in a couple of

(36:04):
days out of me? All the events all week long.
How does that calendar look to you?

Speaker 12 (36:09):
It's coming fast right now, So I try to avoid
looking at the calendar as much as possible, but it's
something that keeps us honest each and every day out
here at the tournament office.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Well, let me ask you about a few of the
elements that are involved. This is a unique setting compared
to being at University Ridge because it's in a residential
area that borders the golf course on most of most
of its playing facility. So how do you manage to

(36:40):
make sure that residential is not impacted negatively or how
is it controlled? I'm sure that that's been part of
your process for quite a while now.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
It has.

Speaker 12 (36:50):
It's been a big part of the process and a
big part of the plan since the transition over here.
So we're fortunate enough to have some really great people
at MPD and parks in the city of Madison that
have been a part of every conversation that we've had,
and I think we've we've come together to put together
a pretty good plan with as minimal disruption as possible.
You know, certainly we're bringing in a lot of folks

(37:13):
over the course of the weekend for the event, But
we want the people around here to still be able
to live their life the same way that they would
you know, any day of the week. So we're trying
our best again to put on a successful event with
as minimal disruption as possible, and like I said, doing
it with the key parties that we've been working with
since the start.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Wheeler Road for those aren't who aren't familiar, Wheeler Road
is the east West road that is about a quarter
mile or so from the clubhouse proper. That will be
the cutoff point for any vehicle traffic can't go north
of Wheeler onto the golf course, golf course area or
the properties surrounding it. When we've talked to Nate Pocrass,

(37:52):
obviously we know the parking for those coming out to
the tournament Friday, Saturday, Sunday will be at Madison College
and all bust In. But what about parking as it
relates to the neighborhoods that are outside of the Wheeler corridor.
Will that be available?

Speaker 12 (38:09):
Yes, So we're what we're going to do is we
have some residential parking classes in place for those residents
that live within that bubble that you mentioned. So Sherman
Avenue north of Wheeler and those we're working on getting
the mailings out to all of our residents and they
should see those soon. The folks in the Commandsche neighborhood area.
We're going to also have an officer stationed on Commanche Way,

(38:31):
so we are encouraging all of our non residents to
park off site where we are trying to minimize the
disruption around this area. Like I said, those areas I'm
off of Commanche Way and Wheeler Road will all have
or and Sherman Avenue excuse me, we'll all have residential
parking permits and everything else. We're just encouraging to go
to Madison College. That's going to be the closest that

(38:54):
you get to our event. Those shuttles are going to
be Badger coach shuttles. They're going to be very nice,
very nice vehicles, and they're going to drop you off
as close as you can get to the event.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Katie, if you would put into a perspective what you're
seeing the history with UW Ridge and how the tournament
was for the people that are coming to TPC Wisconsin,
and when you think about the total picture, the setup
and everything that's here, Can you give us what your

(39:26):
thoughts are on what they're going to see and how
they're going to enjoy it and what may be a
little bit different about the two locations.

Speaker 12 (39:36):
Yeah, for sure, TPC is a beautiful property, and when
you step on site, you're going to see that everything
really is out in front of you. So you're going
to see multiple holes wherever you're standing on the golf course,
which I think is really unique. It's something that we
didn't have at University Ridge. You know, our hospitality venues
and our public fan facing venues, they're going to be

(39:57):
right there when you walk in the gate. We've got
more on course viewing than we've ever had for our
just general spectators, and so I think it's just going
to be a really great experience, a family friendly experience. Again,
we'll continue to keep those concession prices as low as possible.
But like I said, I think the biggest thing is

(40:17):
that multi hole viewing that you're going to see out here.
That's going to bring a whole new experience to the event.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Okay, one of the things that people don't think about,
but you certainly have. There are four hundred and fifty
pro am golfers that will play out here on Wednesday
and Thursday. In forty eight hours, you will host not
only the tournament players, but four hundred and fifty pro
am golfers. How significant is that challenge.

Speaker 12 (40:44):
It's it's definitely a challenge, and it's definitely long business
days for us, but it's really fun. So for those
you know, most know what a prom is, but for
those that don't. For amateur participants, play with one of
the PGA Tour professionals out there on the golf course,
and you know, we've got all logistics to work through
with them, from where are they dropping their bags, so
where are their vehicles parking? To how are we getting

(41:06):
them on and around the golf course. And so we've
got a huge team in place, some amazing volunteers, a
lot of repeat volunteers that have been with us since
the start, so they're veterans. And it's really just kind
of taking the picture that we had over at University
Ridge and moving it onto the TPC golf course and
just recreating those, you know, those same kind of ideas

(41:28):
that we hosted out there. But it is it's a
lot of folks out there. It's a lot of fun
and it's a wonderful experience for those sponsors that can
be on course.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Obviously, Katie, the tournament hasn't been held yet, but I'm
be curious of the initial feedback that you're getting from
different sources. What are people and the players and those
involved with the tournament in reaction to the new format
of the best ball to scramble in the best ball.

Speaker 12 (41:56):
There's a lot of excitement. I think everyone is just
looking looking forward to something fresh and something new. We
don't have that team format, and the players don't have
that team format or they play it very very minimally,
so it is it's just something that's going to be
really unique to our market, and I think the fans
are going to see a lot of birdies. There's going

(42:17):
to be a lot of camaraderie between the players out there,
and just a whole new excitement to what we've seen
in the past.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Well, Katie, we appreciate you spending a little time with
us and know that everything will be fantastic the entire
whether it's the volunteers or what Nate does or what
you're doing Chanetmasters, a whole crew. I'm going to leave
a bunch of people out but everybody that's involved in it,
you do a fantastic job. Can't wait for the tournament
and appreciate spending some time with you tonight.

Speaker 12 (42:45):
Absolutely, thank you for the support, and we are lucky.
We are a very lucky team. So I appreciate you
guys having us on.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Katie Johnson, she is the tournament manager coming up for
this and FAM Championship here.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Dennis, the conversation among some of the employees and that
kind of thing. Did I hear that throughout the week,
you guys are going to serve over four thousand meals.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Pretty close.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Isn't that crazy when you think about it.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
We have to get a special semi that is cold enough.
That's where a lot of the food. I mean, that's
so much food we're talking about here. That's pretty good.
We're equipped for it. People here are very good, and
you know, I mean, I get to see these people,
these people like American family. It's unbelievable how good they

(43:35):
really are and how much attention to detail and how
often they're here, and on and on and on and
on it goes. It's amazing. We're kind of lucky to
have that type of a group. But I didn't get
to talk to her. You know, I was really more
interested in what her sister was. I used to teach
I used to teach her sister.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, good player, Ellie.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I'm sure you'll see her.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh yeah, she'll show up. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, you won't be busy.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
No, oh, I told you what I'm doing. What I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
I didn't. You've told you.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
We have we every week. We have No, we have
a bi weekly meeting with my staff twelve to fifteen PMO.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
So they're not going to put on the pulp uniform.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
No, no, I don't, don't don't no, not train up.
So anyway, I told him, I said, you know it's
going along so good. Here I think what I'm in
the jew is go up to my hunting camp for
the week. Oh yeah, yeah, you know what, man, you
know what? They scale a one to ten. But you
know what they did immediately they all clapped.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Oh yeah, boss, get out of here.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3 (47:52):
Still have a little bit more time to discuss some
of the issues. Shane Lowry in the PGA Championship over
the weekend and had an embedded bowl controversy. The embedded
ball rule in the fairway is if the ball embeds
in your own pitch mark, you get relief. His ball
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(48:14):
in somebody else's and that is not how the letter
of the law is written. We talked about a little
bit off the air during the break. It's a silly rule,
and he ended up, you know, not being able to
take advantage of the situation he did.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Says embedded ball right, not in your own Bobby. That's
wrong what they did. It's terribly wrong that and along
with the business of.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Diffits hitting the ball out of a ditty there.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Should never happen, you know, I mean, you should be
able to drop it out of that, especially in the fairway.
I mean not especially in the fairway. But that was
he was right, and what he did, that's a wrong deal.
Who would say, no, you had to hit it out
of that? I would like to say, who would say that?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Another player? I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Did you see his reaction do it?

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Well?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
His reaction was not favorable. Well, somebody else. Somebody else
involved themselves in the conversation. A ESPN employee involved himself
in the conversation by saying, that's not your pitch, Mark
a like for me, it's not your place. Try into
this conversation. It is the player and the rules official

(49:24):
and you are not involved. Stay out of.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
It, right, Well, a penalty you cause the guy a
penalty and he's in the fairway. Yeah, come on, you know,
no common sense, But that's normal today.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, those we've had this, we have this conversation a
year ago about the divots. Those who are on the
other side of the argument will say, well, when that
divot is growing back in, at what point it is
it no longer a divot, you know, when it's been
repaired and grass is growing. But maybe there's a little
bit of a depression there, and that's where the discussion

(49:57):
comes in. Dennis.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
But a divid means part of the ball, a good
portion of the ball is ubscared. You can't hit the.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Ball, Okay, you don't hit the ball on the top.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
You hit it in the middle to the bottom, can't
get to it. So and he's in the fairway. That's
a penalty on the player that's wrong. But you know,
like I said, oh, I'll tell you what, within a
week ten days, that rule will change. Oh you think,
oh absolutely?

Speaker 4 (50:23):
How do they change it specifically? What's the criteria? USGA?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
They have a panel of people or you know, making rules.
You ever see the rule book?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Now?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, about this stick? You know how many rules there
was when.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Like fifteen or sixty ten, ten.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Ten rules there was years ago when the first started out.
And like I told you before, when you when you
teed it up, you teeed it up ten steps from
the hole. Now you have to take a car to
get to the next te you know.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Well, And the longer they make the golf courses. I
was listening to a conversation on this with Frank Noobolo
today on the Golf Channel. As they lengthen golf courses
seventy six hundred yards, those are golf courses that they
have changed, and now the green to the next tee box,
they're not next to each other anymore. Like you talked
about ten paces, sometimes that is one hundred yards or

(51:14):
one hundred and fifty yards in order to lengthen the
golf course in order to make it not too unfair,
for the length that players are hitting the golf ball right.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Now, right, Well, you can always make the par fives longer.
Par fives are meant to be a three shot hole,
so make them six thirty six forty.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting out here that you have
a drivable par four. We've seen that in the PGA Championship.
There was a drivable park.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
They'll hit. They're going to be hitting a three wood,
some guys with an iron. It's it's too uh two
seventy four to seventy six. Yeah, yeah, I mean these guys.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Are going to have to tell you what. They've got
a structure around the tee that's pretty close right on it.
It really, it's right on are people are going to
be right there.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah. If you go out there on the screen and
look back, it's beautiful. Uh huh. You can see all
the t's see them all right here, and they're gonna
see this right in front. A lot of oohs and aahs.
You know. One quick thing, we go ahead and have
a par threes. And I've got a book now for
par threes, so we've u Part three is here is
like five and eight and fourteen and seventeen and have

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a picture, but I also have one at sixteen. There's
going to be a hole in one at sixteen.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Yeah, so I've got five possibilities from now. You think
somebody will hit one up in their damn absolute? Absolutely, Yep,
there's a possibility somebody's gonna hit one in the grounds
caps and they're.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Gonna get really, they'll get some many times favorable bounces
off of those grandstents. By the way, we're gonna keep
it here and just a little back story, Well we'll
combine that last break. So I want to ask you
about some of that on this driveable par four. What

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is especially in the scramble. I mean, everybody's gonna be
putting for.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Eagle, absolutely if they're going to hit this, Like I said,
you'll have Fairway woods and you'll have those five woods
and stuff. I mean two seventy.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Something depending on how the wind blows.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Well, the wind is gonna okay, it's going to bowl
from left to right, assuming that we have normal. We
have normal, well, it's going to be a little bit
of a left to right.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
But I tell you another interesting one is how close
the green is on fifteen where the stands are. If
you're on the back side of that green, and literally
people are going to be basically above your head about
five or six feet away at the very most, they're

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going to be that close to you.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I think for those of us who have spent some
time out here, this is going to be such a
special treat to see the course this way, and then
to also see it on television because you know we'll
be out here. Yeah, but then you go back and
watch it on your dvo are and see what you
what you're seeing from the camera angles that they're gonna have,

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and the the aerial shots and the other elements to it.
It's gonna be a special treat for anybody who's spent
time out here at all, whether it was when it
was Cherokee or they're gonna be shocked. Yeah, it's gonna
be They're gonna be shot at.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah it is. Well, it's a tournament course. It was
made seventy thousand and seventy. Now on that when I
say tournament course, now we've got these other t's, threes, fours,
the fighters, six or seven ties on each one. So
the possibility of a person playing from the trees or
the fours is going to get in the same place
that this guy's playing from twos.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
You want to put in any odds on whether the
Golf channel wants to talk to him being the owner,
do you.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Think, well, I mean it should be an interview that
they record that way they can edit it. Due don't
go to the hat.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
They're going to the bone. The Pope thing is coming.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Out, don't do the ha thing. And they're going to
have to record that because there's not a chance in
the world that those smart people would take this guy life.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
They might have to have their finger.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, well if they, if they, anybody knows well enough,
they will be a recorded interview.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Canni will be right in those checks.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
And no kid who pays for that? Fine, But it
really is. It really is neat and the work continues
all the way up to it. You're painting the exterior
of the building. The learning facility continues to process and
will be opened.

Speaker 10 (55:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
All of the elements here in the clubhouse proper, the restaurants,
the bars, everything that's been all redone.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
It will be How good is this going to be
for people who play golf? All good for the state
of Wisconsin for sure. Yeah, you know that they can
get to see tournament golf, tournament golf.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
I think the players will be impressed when they walk
in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Well, yeah, you know, it's a little it's a little.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Different card to the old one and what it is now.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Swell, they've got their own They all have their own locker.
There's TV and.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Sax leather chairs and card room and whatever.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
All of it.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It's really cool.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Dat wait, it's gonna be fantastic. We're still two weeks away,
so we'll have another show next Monday. Than the following week.
When we do the show on Monday, it will be
tournament week. So this is fun and exciting times out here.
Big thank you to Gary Tomato and to Katie Johnson
who both joined us on the show this week. Best
of luck to Steve Stricker and Jerry Kelly and company

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