Talking Golf 05-26-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin is on the air. Talking
Golf is brought to you by American Family Insurance, Oak
Park Place, Wild Rock Golf Club, Mercedes Benz of Madison, TPC,
Wisconsin University, Ridge Golf Course, Ridge Top Exteriors, Southern Italy Imports,

(00:21):
and the Vada Bob's. Now, here's your foursome for Talking Golf.
Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer, Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin Broadcaster hall
of Famer Paul Brown, Wisconsin Premier golf reporter Gary Demato
and host of his daily statewide sports talk show, Mike Keller.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's what we get. Welcome and it's Talking golf on
a Monday. Happy Memorial Day, you and yours, and we
pay homage to all of those who gave their lives
in defense of this country. That's what today is about,
the country on the earth and those people who have
given the ultimate sacrifices. We celebrate Memorial a My name

(01:03):
is Mike, that's Paul Brown over there, Dennis Dizziani in
the middle, and we are We're in the two most
significant weeks on the Wisconsin calendar for this year. The
US Women's Open being played at Aaron Hills later this
week and then one week from now begins the full
week of the MFAM Championship here at TPC Wisconsin. And

(01:25):
in that vein we welcome in Miller Brady, who is
the president of the PGA Tour Chiefese and Miller, let
me start just saying thank you and happy Memorial Day
to thanks for spending some time with us. And let's
talk about the venue change, because this will be the
first year that the champions Tour comes over to TPC

(01:46):
Wisconsin after a very good run, very popular run at
University Ridge. So how significant is this move, Miller on
your PAF here to take this tournament to TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, well, firstmall morning hat tomorrow day. Thanks for having
me on. I hope everyone's having a great day, hopefully
relaxing day today. Yeah, you know, it is significant, and
you touched on a great point. We had a phenomenal
run their University Ridge and it seemed to get a
little better every year. The players really enjoyed the golf course.

(02:24):
But I think with the transition to a new format,
it just sort of made sense to do it all
the same time moving to TPC Wisconsin. You know, and
I know that Steve Stricker is really excited about this.
I think the format is something that that are really
lean into. It's a little different than the weekend week
out stroke play event. You know, a little bit of

(02:46):
a break from a mindset perspective. If you will, you
can hit a bit bad shot, maybe rely on your partner.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Miller.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
When you talk about that format, maybe you could explain
it and why was that decision made. Is this an
experiment could develop into something that would be consistent over
the years now and.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
That type of thing.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, we've had a team event in the past if
you go back the Legends of Golf for years and years,
we've played in Savannah for nearly thirty years, and then
in the Best Pro Shop Legends of Golf, we had
a team event and the players just really enjoyed it.
Stricker played at it, played in it many times, had
a great time with that format, and when he came

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to us, we said, you know, we've been looking for
the right place to do this and with your support,
we know the players will will have a great time
and lean in. So it's a little different because you know,
we're gonna play best ball the first day and then
we're gonna play scramble the second day, and then we'll

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go back to best ball for the final round. Look,
if you look at the guys that are committed to
play and the teams that are together, they're going to
have a great time.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Killer. Let me let me ask you a little bit
more about that format, not the harp on it, but
Saturday in particular in playing a scramble, even when you've
had team formats in the past. I don't know if
that's always been part of it, but I think the
gallery here is going to find Saturday to be I

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think the scores are going to be quite low, and
I think Saturday might be the most entertaining element that
they've watched play. And how much went into that thought
as to whether you would do a true scramble in
Saturday's format.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, Look, we talked about a lot. We talked about
the alternate shot, which can be really difficult, sure for
any for any player. We talked about the Scotch, the
Scotch format, which can also be difficult, But then we
talked about the scramble. And the scramble is what a
lot of us amateurs play on a weekend or in

(05:02):
you know, some charity events. We said, why not, why
not try it be a little bit different and and
play it, and you you hit on it, right. I
think the fans are really going to.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Enjoy that format, Miller. I know the first tournament hasn't
even been held yet, But what are you hearing about
TPC Wisconsin from various aspects of people you deal with.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I'm hearing that it's a hard golf course. I have
been out there a few times with with Steve Stricker
and some others that are head rules official, and look,
you're going to have to drive your ball well in
order to score. It's it's not a you know, it's

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going to be a shot makers golf course. You're gonna
have to be on your game to play, which I
think is one reason why Steve wanted this format so
that it's not so difficult on an individual basis, if
that makes sense at all.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, we're visiting with Miller. Brady, president of the PGA
Tour champions Dennis. Let me bring you into the conversation
because that's men. An element that we've talked about consistently
is that this is a tournament caliber course. The membership.
You've talked about that, but in that two men best
ball and two men scramble. They'll still have the opportunity

(06:24):
to have a lot of fun with this as far
as making low scores as they turn in the scorecard
on Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It's a great mix, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
And really it's a tournament course. It's not for everybody,
sure we know that. But I went around with Jerry
and Steve here last week and they know how to
play checkers with the ball. You know, they're going to
play from one spot to the next spot. They're not
going to be like our people drive to drive it
over every sand trap and then play out of the water.

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You know, these guys here knew how to play, and
they they were every whole. I mean they were shooting
for birdies on every hole. So I'm kind of looking
forward to The commissioner says that, see how these people react,
and that's the word that it's hard.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Well it is, you know.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
But if you play from the right courtees, it's okay.
But if you go back to the twos and ones.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well that's what these guys are doing.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
I mean it's too far, you know, there's no way,
but that's okay. You know, we need the water level high.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Oh, after they get through plane all them balls in
the water.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
The level go up.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know, let's see what you're doing, Miller.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
I tell you when you're here on a day to
day basis like we are, and the stands are obviously
going up. There's a heck of a lot of activity
obviously going on right now. I think stressing the fact
of what people are potentially going to be able to
see is going to be phenomenal. And I don't think
it's not realistic to say, depending on where you're sitting

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in the bleachers, which are right next to the clubhouse,
you conceivably could watch people te off on one and ten,
come in on fifteen, t you off on sixteen, come
in on eighteen, and put on nine and Dennis. I
don't think that's an unfair statement to make.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
No, But you know that's what when we built a
course and we talked to you know, Steve Weinslough and stuff.
We built all these places for the viewing. So there's
viewing on fourteen right behind fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Eighteen nine.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
So it's built for the fans, you know, I mean
those mouths out there.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
So it's a tour course.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
I mean it's a it's a tournament course, and.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
That's what we're excited about.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
We invested a lot to make it such and and
we have a lot of people who enjoy playing two
And the Monday after the tournament we'll have our event
called Sunday Pins, So the course will stay the same
and our members will be able to play, you know that,
So that's what's really going to be you now for.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Me anyway, Miller, ask you about the biggest challenge to
going to a new venue. You know, we talked about
that off the top at University Ridge had been very
successful in the anfam crew that puts this tournament on
does a fantastic job. But for you, what's the biggest
challenge of changing a venue for a tournament as you
will this year here.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, I mean it's a couple of things, right. The
biggest challenges for the local team, Nate Pocrast and their
team that really is starting from the beginning again to
build it from the ground up. But has mentioned, you know,
opportunities with this TPC golf course, the viewing for the spectators.
They put a lot of thoughtful thinking into it to

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make sure that it is going to be fan friendly.
And so that's Look, that's the biggest challenge. Where are
people going to park? What's the egress going to be
like getting them in, getting them around the golf course,
letting them have a great experience. Just operationally, They're going
to learn a lot this year that will then make
even next year that much better. From from the competition perspective,

(10:05):
our rules officials will learn a lot this year. You know,
what are the right whole locations, the teas, the distance,
the wind, the weather, all of that goes into making
sure we're putting on the best show possible for everybody.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Miler, if you were to look in your crystal ball
at two parter, what's the state of the champions Steward
today and what challenges do you see ahead? If anything
that really stands out in your.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Mind, Well, you know the state of our tour. I
mean we're eleven events into our five season of twenty
eight events and we're in a really good spot. You know,
you can't control who wins out here, but we've had
phenomenal winners this year. But whether it's Jerry Kelly, Ernie Els, Stewart,

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think Dustin Lennard winning for the first time was great,
him as winning twice, and then you guys have seen
Cabreras one three times. He's won the last two events
in a row. He's got a lot of confidence right now.
So from that perspective, really really good. We couldn't do
it without our title sponsors like Amfam, and our sponsors

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are highly engaged in their events. They're highly engaged in
this tour and we're very lucky and it's what makes
us all so good.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So let me expound upon that a little bit with
you member. The American Family Insurance Championship, with Steve Stricker's
name on it has been widely regarded as one of
the most popular tournaments on the PGA Tour champions Why
is that? What have you seen? What's been the feedback?
Why has this tournament been so successful?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Well, it's a combination of really everything right, and it
starts with having a great title sponsor, like I mentioned earlier.
So you have that with Amfam. You have a community
really rallies behind the event. Our players like playing in
front of spectators, in a in a feel of bigness,
and you get that when you come to Madison Wisconsin.

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So you know, those are the immediate ingredients. You have
a host and Steve Stricker that understands what players want
throughout the week. When you take all that together, you
know the players feel like they're treated well. You have
a great sponsor, You're always in a great golf course.
It's a good time of year for everybody, and that's
what makes it a great event, and our players love

(12:31):
coming to Madison.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
In terms of total attendance, Miller, It's got to be
one of the top events on the tour, isn't it,
in terms of the amount of people who see it.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Absolutely, it's it's always up there as one of our
top attended events, and from what I'm hearing is this
year it could be even stronger than in the past.
So I can't wait to get there next week.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, I think you're gonna find it to be a
ton of fun. Now, I'm gonna go back to one
of the things that Paul asked a little bit earlier
on the stay of this tour. It's popularity. You've had
great champions this year. A year from now, Tiger Woods
may play in some of the events because he will
turn fifty, and that's the very unique element of this

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tour is that you rookies that come in, and the
rookies many times are you know, from an aide standpoint,
the ones who will play at the highest level. So
that rotation of new players entering every year has made
the tour very successful.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, when you get new blood, that's always funny to
call someone a rookie at age fifty. But they come out,
you know, they come out. They love seeing these guys
that they haven't been around in a while. You saw
Stewart think sort of you know, hip his toe in
the water, and now he's all in on this tour
and he's having a great time. No, Tiger would I

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get You know, I can't believe we're ten minutes in
and just ask the question I get asked all the time,
and really, you know what I say right now is that,
you know, I don't know what Tiger's going to do,
and Tiger doesn't know what Tiger's going to do, except
we know that he's a competitor and he wants to
play golf. So as long as he has some level

(14:25):
of healthy ability, we think he's going to play a
little bit. And I think relationships like Steve Stricker has
with with Tiger. Relationships matter, so we're very hopeful and
excited for what that could look like.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I tell you what, it would be interesting if you
come next year and if those two were paired, the.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Boy Dan, you'd have a people around this golf course.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
If the Sorry, Mario, I don't think that will happen.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I want to go back to my last question for you,
and we're visiting with Miller Brady, president of the PGA
Tour champions So Paul asked earlier about this format. Will
you review after this or is there some sense of
a commit that the format here is going to be
a format that stays consistent at this tour stop in Madison.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, look, we know we want to continue playing a
team event in Madison, but we will certainly review all
aspects of that, whether it's the day one format, day two,
coming back to the final round, because we want to
make sure we get it right. And just because we
do it one way the first year doesn't mean we
can't make changes to hopefully make things better. So we're

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very open and flexible and we'll have those conversations, you know,
when we debrief with our rules officials, and the tournament team.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
And last one, Miller, you can be on site for
part of this. You mentioned that earlier, so being here
is I don't know if you've come to this stop
that when it was at University Ridge, or if you
go to all of them, but being here will be
a neat experience for you to see it firsthand.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
I love coming to Madison, been there many many times.
I try to make it to almost every one of
our tournaments throughout the year. I typically stay in that
downtown area and walk the restaurants at night. It's just
it's such a great town. I love being there.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah. Well, we're looking forward to having you and appreciate
you taking some time out of your schedule on the
holiday to join us today. We'll look forward to seeing
you here a week from now.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Thanks guys, have a great day and can't wait to
be there next week.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Take care, Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Miller Brady he is the president of the PGA Tour
champions and that Denis. We've talked about this a lot.
Scores are gonna be fun. I mean they're gonna score here.
Oh yeah, I don't know what that winning score will be,
but Saturday will be depending on the weather Saturday will
be very entertaining in a two man scramble as to
how low the scores are going to go. I would

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think a sub sixty is in play.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, there's no question, you know. You take a look
at that.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
I went around with Jerry and Stephen watch where they
good in the outfense that they have, and you know,
twenty yeah, twenty five hunders not going.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
To be out of the question, you know.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
But that's what the people want to see, those birdies,
low shots, and they're going to be able to see
it on all these holes which are just fabulous.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
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Speaker 2 (21:20):
We continue on a Memorial Day edition of Talking Golf
at TPC Wisconsin. Mike Keller, Paul Brown, Dennis Dizziani with you.
We welcome in our weekly guests, Gary Dematto Dennis. Gary
Dennis was asking if it was a week guest and
I said, no, weekly guest with Gary de Motto. So oh,

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that's the kind of show you're in store for. Here,
I was saying off the top, Gary that this is
this is the the week the next two weeks in Wisconsin,
profiling t incredible tournaments, the US Women's Open at Aaron Hills,
which we'll tee off later this week, and then a
week later the AMFAM Championship at TPC Wisconsin. This is

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a very significant two week run in Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
God, it's a huge two week run. And then add
to that, you know the WIAA Boys State tournament at
the end of that run, and it's yeah, it's a
monstrous you know, twenty days or so of golf coming
up for our website and for the state. I was
out at Aaron Hills yesterday. I went to the merchandise pavilion.
They had a preview for you know, the pub, general public,

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and the course looks fantastic. I can't wait to get
out there tomorrow. I'll be out there all week. I'll
be joined by Rob Hernandez and then we'll both swing
over to Amfam and cover that. So, yeah, it's a
big stretch of golf for us, for everybody.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So let's talk about what that weather is going to be.
They're talking about temperatures in the seventies and eighties for
the four day run, no rain in the forecast for
the US Women's Open, and we talked about that, and
their goal is, or the hope would be something they
can't control is to not have the win to laid

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down like it did in twenty seventeen when Brooks kept
shot sixteen under power for the tournament. What would be
the goal, like, what do you see as the US
Women's Open winning gore? Would what they prefer for it
to be.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
Yeah, you know they I would say at the USA
that they're not focused on the score daily, but I
think I'm sure it's in the back of their minds.
It has to be. I mean, they don't want a
US Women's Open or Shing shoots twenty under. They certainly
don't want that. And I'm pretty sure they probably don't
want a Women's Open where the winning scorer is you know,
seven over. So you know, I think ideally you want

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to give a great test where power is a great score.
So ideally somewhere between you know, even power to maybe
five under is probably the score that everyone kind of
hopes is achieved by the champion. And as you mentioned, Mike,
it's totally weather dependent on how much the wind blows
and if they get any rain at all, all that
sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Gary, who are some of the premier names that we
should be watching for in terms of the potential champion
out of that event.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
Yeah, there's you know, there's all the big names and
women's golf are in this championship, you know, Yukasaso won
the Women's Open last year, and she will also won
in twenty twenty one. Nelly Korda, of course you know
when seven times last year Rolex Player of the Year,
but she has yet to win a US Women's Open.
She certainly would be among the favorites. Lydia Lydia Co

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just a generational talent. Watched her as a really young
I think the teenager in twenty twelve at the Women's
Open at black Wolf Run and obviously has gone to
do great things. And another name I threw out there
maybe is Jennifer Kupchow, who's caddy is a former Aaron
Hills caddy. Joshua Judelhof real good player himself. And Rob

(24:58):
Hernandez did a really nice peacent on Mutal Holfson a
couple of days ago. So another player to watch, I
think Asperus Calli sixteen years old. She reached the finals
of three usg Championships last year, runner up in the
US Girls Junior, runner up in the US women Amateur, and
she won the four ball. So and her name needs
a little star and Greeks, which she certainly appears to be.

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So a lot of great players coming we'll be at
Aaron Hills.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Well, you know it began with you talking about how
significant this three week run is for Wisconsin golf, with
the Women's US Open at Aaron Hills, the MFAM Championship
at TPC Wisconsin, and the WIA at University Ridge. So
we continue to see that focus in on Wisconsin golf.

(25:46):
And we've asked you before about major championships. What's next
in rotation? Well, like, what do Wisconsin golf fans have
to look forward to in the coming years as far
as event stops other than this traditional one at TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
Yeah, we don't have another Men's Open coming up, and
I don't know that we'll get one or if it's
even possible that way it went in the near future.
But I think there are after this Women's Open. I
believe there are twelve or thirteen more usg championships over
the next like eighteen or nineteen years in our state,
everything from the US Amateur to four ball championships to

(26:23):
girls and boys Junior Championships. There's just a ton of
USJA events coming up at Whistling Straits and at Sand
Valley and at Aaron Hills. So I don't know, it's
almost I'm a little afraid of overkill. I mean, will
these championships still get the attention they deserve when there
are so many of them coming.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Garry over the years in terms of media coverage of
women's golf, high school golf and that kind of thing,
are you seeing any change? Is it different today than
it was in terms of coverage for guys like yourself
over the last five six years. Is it seemingly like
there's more people involved or what's the current status?

Speaker 7 (27:04):
Yeah, I think it has changed a little bit. I
think there's a there's certainly an uptick of interest in
women's women's athletics as a whole. I think, you know,
you see Caitlin Clark in the w NBA, what's happening there.
But the problem is, you know, it's always exposure, and
the women don't get the exposure on television that the
men get. Will that change in the suits I would

(27:26):
certainly hope so. But until these women's events are you know,
on prime on big networks, in prime time or in
you know, when they can generate big viewership, you know
they're going to lag behind the men in that regard.
But certainly, I mean there's so many interesting stories in
women's sports and in women's golf right now, a lot

(27:47):
of things to follow.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Uh, So we watch this and this tournament will tee
off ten days from now at TPC Wisconsin. What are
you most interested when this event begins? Obviously format might
be first and foremost. What are you most interested in
the venue change and what we're going to see a
week and a half from.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
Now, Dampan, Yeah, after you know these years at University
rich where everyone got to really know the golf course,
I mean, TPC Wisconsin is a complete unknown for the
touring professionals, for the champions two players, and I'm just
really really curious and interested to see how they play
it and what the scores are. Now it's a team event,

(28:28):
so you know it's different obviously than individual scores. But
I think, you know, talking to Steve Stricker about the
course in recent years, I think it's going to be
a really tough test. Hopefully the wind blows a little bit,
and you know you're going to see some good scores
because of the team format. But I'm just really curious
to see how the course plays overall for these guys.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Very good. Anything you want to promote. I know you
talked about you and Rob and the coverage that you'll
have at Wisconsin dot Golf over the next couple of weeks,
So anything you want to promote there before we dismissed
for the holiday.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
Yeah, I mean, if if your listeners go to our
website Wisconsin that Golf right now, Rob did a really
great comprehensive look at all the players in the field
that the Women's Open, and it's just packed with information
about all the players. I know, you know Women's Championship
golf doesn't come around to our state office, so maybe
a lot of people are unfamiliar with some of these players.

(29:25):
You learn a lot by going to Rob story and
then you know we're going to blanket cover the next
couple of weeks. So hopefully listeners will go to our
website and see a lot of good golf writing, golf stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Gary Demado, thank you. Almost all of us appreciate you
being on the show with us. The guy in the
middle almost say anything in the middle here tis you know,
he didn't say anything while you were on this week,
which is probably.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Good for you.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Watch this, Camaity, Watch this, Lady Madeline Sagstrom.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
You know that name.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Yes, she's been here.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
She's been here couple of days.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Pact to seeing getting ready to play, and a very
impressive we're kind of answer. I'm not kind of anxious
to see how she plays. Now going out, she drives
the ball to eighty nothing, you know, so and over
there because it's a little bit more wide open, it's
going to be a big difference.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
So anyway, you know, that's my thing.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Before we close it out with Gary, say to Dennis publicly.
You know he's talked about a book. Someday somebody may
do a book. Welly, Gary's a writer, but he should
start picking on Gary because she's the logic book write
that book. I'm telling you that there would be nobody
write that book.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
In the pipeline. Gary, you got anything you're working on
from a book standpoint.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Actually, I did a book with a really good golf
course photography name now Young that's going to come out
in a few weeks here on a golf course of
Michigan called American Dunes. It's a Nicholas course. It's a
coffee table book, you know, with some great photography, but
really story because the course supports the folds of honor,
charity and Nicholas got behind it. It's a great place you.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Would coming, Dennis, You and you want be able to
sell that book for maybe twenty years or something.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Your book, your book. Yeah, yeah, you're going to have
to be here.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Who's gonna.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
See there? There you go there, Paul and Ibel broker
of the deal. Paul and I. I've been driving for
the four or three years.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
But he keeps paring on him.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
He's got to soften him little bit. Gary. We always
appreciate you being here. Thanks for the time. Happy holiday,
Old day to you and yours and we'll talk again
next week at tournament week.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
Sounds good. See you guys in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Thanks, I'll see you buddy.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, thank you, Gary. That's Gary Demato when we come back.
Allison Burns. She is the senior director of the US
Women's Open, which is played this week at Erin Hills.
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Speaker 2 (35:03):
Back with you on a Memorial Day. We welcome you in.
It's talking golf at TPC Wisconsin. Mikeller, Paul Brown, Dennis
diz Ziani, and we welcome in. Alison Burrency is the
senior director of the US Women's Open that has played
this week at Aaron Hills and Alison, thanks for spending
some time with us. One of the things that you
cannot control at any championship venue is what the weather

(35:26):
is going to do. How important is the weather even
though you can't control it at this week's US Open
at Aaron Hills.

Speaker 15 (35:34):
Yeah, Unfortunately, you are correct. We cannot control the weather,
and obviously, being an outdoor event, golf championship weather, it's
top of mind for us and it is a priority.
But what we will do is ensure all of our
players our fans are safe, and we will also ensure
that the golf course is ready for play if we
do end up seeing any precipitation. But we have a

(35:57):
meteorologist on site that we're closely mind during the outlook,
and it's looking pretty good, I would say, and I
think everyone will have a great weekend here in a
few days.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I would think, I'm going to ask you a question
that you probably don't want to answer, and that that
would be from from the USGA standpoint for an Open championship,
those of us who look at it from the outside
think that there is a target score that you would
prefer to have for your champion. When when the last
US Open on the men's side was played there, the

(36:29):
one hundred and seventeenth US Open at Aaron Hills, Brooks
Koepka shot sixteen hunder par because it did not the
wind did not blow again something you can't control. But
is there a score that the USGA would appreciate, would
would have as a goal or is that not part
of the process.

Speaker 15 (36:50):
I think you reference it a little. It's more so
ensuring that we are setting up the toughest tests. And
to your point, this golf course Aaron Hills is all
of these folls play different depending on the winds that
we are receiving any given day, any given time of day, honestly,
and our course prep team is doing the best they

(37:11):
can to for seeing what the championship days will look
like based on the whole and the direction of the wind.
But as long as we are making sure that we
are setting it up to the best of our ability
to challenge these players who utilize every club in their bag,
which is really our goal and our process here with
it being the National Championship, is making sure that each

(37:34):
player is tested, So not necessarily a specific number that
we're targeting, it's just making sure that we are challenging
them every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Alison Burns, George A. Senior Director US Women's Open. I'll
ask the same question that we asked Miller Brady, who
was the president of the PGA Tour Champions when he
joined US earlier. What is the state of the women's
game right now? Where is it and where would you
like it to evolved? Two? Or just give us a
sense of what you see on the women's tour.

Speaker 15 (38:06):
Yeah, I mean, I think it is in one of
the most recognized states that it's been in several years
that I think women in general are the ones that
are growing the game of golf. You are seeing that
just simply by the numbers that has created a more
than fifty percent of growth in golf is because that
women are now exposed to it, and that starting at

(38:28):
the younger ages of five to twelve, being exposed to
more junior golf tournaments and then therefore integrated into college
and playing on tour or qualifying into the US Open.
We have a lot of people in a lot of
women in the field are amateurs because it is the
US Open and Open qualifying. So the game has been

(38:48):
a great place in terms of women and them playing
in the sport, and I think it's only going to
keep growing because of the growth that we are seeing
in the younger demographics right now, and therefore that will
bleed into the tour as well as those that are
going to be competing in the US Open.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Other than what you've already mentioned, what are some of
the major challenges you faced putting on an event like that.

Speaker 15 (39:15):
It's the unexpected, I mean we started the interview with weather.
I mean, that's a huge challenge for us, whether it's
inside the ropes, outside the rope, fans getting here, players competing,
and that's something that's uncontrollable that we try to make
sure that we control it as much as we possibly can.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
And then.

Speaker 15 (39:34):
The unknowns. You never really know how the force will
really play for these players until they get out here,
So we're monitoring that right now as they start playing
practice rounds. If there is any tweaks that we need
to make going into Thursday with championship rounds, we'll start
making those in the next couple of days.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Talking with Alison Burns, Senior directed US Women's Open, what
about the purses on the tour? It's always the one
of the interesting elements you always want to grow them.
Where is the tour as the USGA sees this and
in the women's game and its growth, are the persones
keeping up with what you want it to be able
to do?

Speaker 15 (40:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's extremely important. You've seen
with us with the USGA, We've made a significant approach
to increase the person we are. They're competing for twelve
million dollars this week. That's more than one hundred percent
growth over the past five years for this championship specifically.
And you've seen other major championships for the LPGA follow

(40:36):
our footsteps here, and I think that's extremely important as
we go back to the growth of women's golf and
women's sports and the visibility of it is ensuring that
they are getting paid appropriately to compete in the national
championship and also day week to week on tour having
other events put as much attention to the purse as

(40:59):
they possible. We can.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Alison the relationship of the USGA and the golf community
to the state of Wisconsin. So this is a very
significant two week run with the US Women's Open at
Aaron Hills. Century World has hosted USGA events. We see
the Cooler Company has hosted significant championships, including the Ryder Cup.
How has that relationship evolved with the state of Wisconsin

(41:26):
and its golf community.

Speaker 15 (41:28):
I think it's a great relationship and as you have
seen with our announcements for the future, we're coming back here.
The state has embraced the USGA, It has embraced the
golf community. Even if it's not a USBA event, you
can tell that this is a state that supports golf,
supports the growth that these championships give to the communities,

(41:50):
the economic impact that these events have on the various
communities that we will be hosting these So Wisconpton has
been fantastic in being a partner with US whatever jurisdiction
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(42:11):
Madison fantastic partners throughout the process.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
I'm kind of curious, since COVID, has there been a
tremendous growth in the amount of people nationally that are
playing golf showing interest in the sport. What have you
found in your research in that type of thing.

Speaker 15 (42:31):
Yes, definitely there has been, and that is where we
truly started seeing the growth is during that COVID time
period and that too, or my earlier points of the
growth of the female demographic being exposed and playing golf more.
That's where we started to see those numbers start trending higher,
as well as some younger, younger folks getting exposed to

(42:55):
the game a lot more because it was an activity
during that time that people could play and they got
they embraced it, and now they're starting to follow professional
players and athletes and therefore pending these events more and
watching it on the broadcast week to week. So golf
is in a great place it has been and it's
continuing to be and that's exciting for us as the

(43:17):
USGA to keep watching unfolds.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Alison Burns, Senior director of US Women's Open, which is
this week at Aaron Hills, Thanks for spending a few
minutes with us in a very busy week. All the
best to you throughout the championship week at Aaron Hills
and we'll look forward to watching either in person or
on the television coverage of the event later this week.

Speaker 15 (43:37):
Thank you, Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
That is Alan Burns joining us, and it is it
is a significant few weeks in Wisconsin golf. We will
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Back with you, it's talking golf at TPC Wisconsin, Mike Keller, Brown,
Dennis Dizziani with you. Weekend they had another major championship
on the Champions Tour. Steve Stricker, in his second of
back to back events his first events of the year,
shot two over par. Mario shot six over par in
that tournament championship. We asked you this last week when

(47:32):
we visited. So Steve is is working through the challenges
of playing his first tournament events of the year. What
have you noticed about weekends into his tournament play, which
now his next one will be here? What have you
seen in his game?

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Well?

Speaker 6 (47:48):
You, first of all, that's very difficult course. I'm Jerry
shot eight over. Yeah, I mean, come on, he's not
an eight over player. But anyway, it's a hard course.
I will watch some of the stuff on TV putting
was still missing a lot of short butts, which is
normal to get. But I think he'll be ready to
go when he comes here, and I think that as
the year goes on he gets to play, he'll be

(48:11):
really good. This swing looks good and I'll see him now,
maybe today and check it out, see what he's got going.
But I'm sure not playing for all that time and
playing with that sore arm at the time. Supposedly it's okay. Now,
we'll see how this works when they play here, But
this won't be an indicator this tournament, No, yeah, because

(48:33):
it's a team event. But going forward, you're going to
see some you know, I know him well enough to
know that. You know he's not that old and competition
is still a deal. This is his life and often
said history for him is in the future. Well it
may not be in competitive golf, but it's going to
be another things where that future is going to be.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Dennis, obviously, you know him very very well in terms
of his total career in every think.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Steve has done.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
What do you think he's thinking right now as he
gets ready to have this vent here and put that
into perspective about his whole career and how this is
all planned out. He's got to be really proud of
everything that's going on.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah, deer season's coming up. You know, this is
a big guy. This is a big item for him.
Keep in mind he had a lot to do with
the construction and the course, more so than he's maybe
given credit for.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
But it was his tweaking at the end when he
would sit down.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
We would sit down, but mostly him and we should
do this, and we should do that.

Speaker 11 (49:35):
You know.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Of course every time we would do it.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
It's it cost you money, fifty hundred thousand for this,
but you know at the end he said that said
I'll take you know, he took over. So he financed
a lot of that. And you know it's it's as
much his course as anybody's as far as the course
goes for the construction and the what you see.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
But you wouldn't think the pride and right, I mean
in terms of this or in terms of how this
may be perceived and how successful it is the children's
hospital in the whole.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
Here's the indicator. All past champions there here are here. Yeah,
that's a tribute to him. Yeah, that's what this is about.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
And we're saying thank you and mentioned about our friend
Tiger Woods.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, you know a year from now he pretty.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
Yeah, Well you know, if he's ready, he's gonna he's
going to play here, you know. And you know, like
I said, and you have to have you have to
have a helicopter here.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, no, kidd. So so let me touch on this.
You know, Paul's asking about Steve's pride, but this has
been your home for a very long time. And when
Paul and I remembers when it was Cherokee and the
idea that it was going to be a TPC and
and that was going back and forth. Now we're on
the precipice of the tournament being here, Dennis, I mean,

(50:51):
this is a very exciting time and something that is
that you must be proud of. This has come to fruition.
I don't know that you ever imagine this all those
years ago, that you would host an event like this
and we're a week away from it.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Well not, the imagination was never there. The fact of
making the golf course better, yeah, was always there. And
it started, as I suppose you before, with the environment side,
and okay, we did that.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
You can't do a little bit.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
You have a number of courses that I know about
that are trying to do sand traps, that are trying
to do a couple holes.

Speaker 11 (51:23):
You know.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
You know, you put lipstick on a pig, it's still
a pig, you know what I mean. So we decided
you got to go all the way or nothing, and
that's what happened here. We went all the way or nothing. Now,
all of a sudden, you've got this thing here. Proud
of it, I guess. So I'm proud of the course,
but a little bit more so the proud of the academy. Sure,

(51:46):
And what's going on there when you see forty fifty
kids over there playing and some of the players that
we have here, I guess we had one boy that
shut you shut fifty nine here, seventeen years old.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Yeah, this is a problem to what.

Speaker 6 (51:59):
We're doing, which doesn't get out. But now you're going
to see more of this thing out where people. I've
been very reluctant to tell people how good we are,
how nice it is, on and on, but now now
they're gonna, Yeah, they're gonna see it here. For what
happens when ten thousand people come by every day here? Yeah,

(52:21):
a national TV for a weekend. Are you kidding me?
You know who had that?

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I tell you what, Mike, I think you and I agree.
This man's devoted his life to this game of golf,
and whether he wents it's about it or not, it's
going to be a hell of a legacy in terms
of what happened in You.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
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Speaker 4 (52:39):
Is the parks to Now, that's why I know that
that's funny when they see me drive up on it.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
How come you're driving up on that tea? How come
I'm driving up on my team?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Exactly?

Speaker 4 (52:53):
But seriously, I mean, what you got to be when
you look at that total picture of what you've done
from arrive here with what fifty six bucks in your
pocket or whatever to going to be ahead here.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
Well, there's been a lot of Yeah, you can take credit.
There's a lot of situations that happened. I mean we started,
you know, the light, the players that we've had here
that have gone on, Steve especially, you know Mario. Now
all these people are carrying this forward. And so I
kind of, like I said, sit back and I told
you the story about every week.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I have a bye week, Yeah, meeting with the staff.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
And everybody here and everything was, you know, it's going good.
So I said, you know, you guys are really doing good.
I think what I'm gonna do is I'm just going
to go up to my hunting camp.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
For the weeks. And that's right. They all stood up
and they cla I said, what so there like, get.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Out the boss away for a week, get out of here.
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Well segment. A short little segment here on talking golf
at TPC Wisconsin. A week from now, the NFAM Championship
will be being off with the events. The tournament is Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
June sixth, seventh, and eighth. And Dennis, I'm wondering, from
a playing standpoint, what are you most curious to see
how these tournament players will go around this golf course.

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What drifts you the most?

Speaker 6 (57:26):
Well, how they're going to play, which is going to
be the way the course was designed. You know, you
just can't overpower this course. And I think our customer,
our members and people here will see just what's going on.
Jesus didn't do that. I hit it here and hit
it there, So I think that I'm interested to see
how they're going to play. I like to know the

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reaction to the greens. Yeah, because you know the golf
courses level there's a foot drop from the north to
the south. But you know when you play a course
like that, if you do your homework, then they're going
to build a course. The surrounds are going to be
into the green. Now, these guys are smart enough to
know that. I'm I don't say that our people are
not smart enough, but you know my point is you're

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still going to have to score on and around the green.

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So it's chipping and putting.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Yeah, and to watch how these guys go around and play.
That's what I noticed with Steve and Jerry. I mean,
they were far ahead of the game. It's unreal, you know.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
By the way, Uh, speaking of putting, I got a
thirty second tip here for everybody listening.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
You're giving a tip.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
Yeah, so he was laughing, changed the left hand. Oh.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
I played down at Delbook with my brother yesterday and
we made a pack no gimmes, oh sir?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Uh three three footers.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah that you missed all through? Right, Yeah, don't take
what's your what was your tip? Don't take the game? Oh,
don't take.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
In the best effort or for your future take.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, it's interesting how many people don't put out when
they get near the hole. You know, they say, inside
the leather. All that's good. Yeah, and an inside the
leather And Paul missed three of them yesterday, number three
left handed. Yeah, well we can start it there, Yeah,
no doubt. Yeah, well, this is gonna be a ton
of Next Monday, we'll do the show from here on.

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Tournament we and place an over the weekend, you know,
twelve days from now, eleven days from now when it
gets underway, up ten fifteen, twenty thousand people making their
way around this property each day should be fantastic. Can't wait.
A big thank to Miller Brady, the Champions Tour President,
Gary Demato, and Allison Burns, Senior director US Women's Open,

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which played this week at Aerin So they all joined
us today on the show. Hope you enjoy a happy
Memorial Day and a fantastic week. We'll talk to you Monday,
talking golf, TPC Wisconsin