Talking Golf 06-23-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:27):
Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin Broadcaster Hall
of Famer Paul Brown, Wisconsin Premier golf reporter Gary Demato
and host of his daily statewide sports talk show, Mike Keller.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, we welcome you in to Talking Golf on a
Monday night. That open always gets tis a little uh giggly.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, Hey, listen nothing, You're my all American.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Nothing in there is untrue. All of that is accurate.
Let me take us up back to yesterday and Keegan
Bradley winning at the Travelers. It creates a very interesting
scenario because Keegan Bradley is now eighth in the Ryder
Cup point standings and he's the captain. The top six

(01:15):
get automatic bids. He may still work his way into
that position one or the other one or the other.
I was talking to somebody else in the business today
who said, if you're going to be the captain, then
you're just the captain.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
He has not talked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
When he was asked about it post round yesterday, he
just looked into the camera and said, go Usa, what's
your view on it?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Dennis? We haven't had one Arnold palmer right, Arnold palmery.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
But he's stretching a little bit being a captain, you know.
I look, you look back at the captain's yeah, and
all the reasons they were a captain. He might even
be better as a player because he's playing really good,
you know, But I think that he wants to be
a captain. I have not known anybody who's been successful

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playing in a cap at the same time. Sure, you know,
it's totally different brawbacks to being the captain and playing well.
You've got to be able to be with your players.
You're you're behind your players, you're infant, You're you're moving
them along. What happens if you walter and you louis,
what are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
So there's such a large catalog of vice captains, you know,
Steve had a great crew with him. And listen when
Palmer did this. I think it's the early nineteen sixty
sixty three.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Is that sound about right? The game is different.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I mean, what they're doing is totally different at that time,
and I think that changes the equation.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
And if we go backwards a little bit, the reason
Kigan Bradley as a captain is that the others who
they were gonna tab Tiger said no, and then there's
nobody else that they I mean, the PGA kind of
maybe missed this up a little bit by not having
a second one in line. If they didn't have a
guarantee that Tiger was going to say yes.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
The reason why they got a new leader in the PGA. Yeah,
I don't want to go there.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, you're okay, but I just I think it's gonna
be a very interesting watch over the next number of
weeks because Keegan could even play himself into an auto
qualifier and then he would have to decline the points
in order.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
To just be the captain.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Make up your mind, you right, be the captain. You
want to be a player, And maybe if.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
That were the case, he should do that sooner rather
than later. In case of leaving speculation open.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I don't think he you know, I don't think he'll ever.
I think it'd be better if he's a captain, if
he's a player, yeah, long term for him. Yeah, I
was a player and a Writer Cup team, so or
a whole bunch of other people. I was the captain
of a Writer Cup team, especially if it's a winning team.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
You know, if he would play, is there a procedure
in place to find a replacement or would they just
pick maybe one of the other ones that he had
decided to work with him?

Speaker 4 (03:59):
He could still be the captain, be the player.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, he could.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Still be both correct, And my point is no one
or the other.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
What So we've talked about players that have had it
kind of go sideways at the end of tournaments. Yesterday,
that was Tommy Fleetwood on the eighteenth hole. He's in
the fairway. Seventy second hole of the tournament. He's in
the fairway. I believe he changed clubs. I think they
were worried about wind and he leaves it short and
then his putt, Oh, you want to talk about the

(04:28):
You know, it's almost a two million dollar putt because
he left it short and outside of Keegan Bradley on
the same line.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Nice guy. Yeah, there's a reason why he hasn't won yet,
and that is what, Well, he doesn't know how, he
can't know how. Sure something that you know, I mean,
your body's not going to do anything, your mind doesn't
tell it to do it brings us to a better
noble what that's about. And there's a something about winning,
I mean, you know, you know, that's a whole different attitude.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So you open the door to that part of the conversation,
because we talked about it briefly the other day in
another room here we're talking about putting. You have to
be able to will putts to go and you have
to believe they're going to go in. So is that
also part of learning to win? You've got to win
in order to know how to do it.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
You see, there are very few the good players, you know,
they'll eat your eyes for eyeball for all us, you
know what I'm saying. And they want to win. They
want to beat you at all costs. And I worry,
you know, in his particular case, not worry, but why
hasn't he won? Yeah, you know, he's played in so
many tournaments and been in so many places to win

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that takes so long. There's a reason for that. What
you get a guy who now he's played in what
he's been out there for two years and he just
won the US Open. Yeah, but look at watch him.
Just look at his eye movement, Watch how he moves around,
takes over.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
You've probably been there more than once. What is it
that the average golfer doesn't understand about playing in that
kind of a situation under that pressure. I know it's
different for everybody, but what's one of the main things
in that kind of a sense.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, I'm going to give you an Arnold Palmer thing.
I spent a lot of time with him. We sat
right across What did he do? What did he think about?
He believed that everything around him had energy, whether it
be a any kind of an animal, this coin, this,
and he would suck that energy in and he'd pull
the energy from every one of those objects and put

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him inside and he was able to hold it inside.
That's the difference. He pulled that energy. You need that
extra thing. Now, there are some people that, oh, go
to faith and they get some form of him. That
doesn't work all the time either. Sure, price is okay,
but I don't know about him hitting.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
But you know, you see his comments afterwards, Tommy Flee. Yeah,
he said, I'm upset now, I'm angry. When I calmed down,
I'm going to look back on it and see what
I did well learn from it. He said he felt
stupid the way the thing happened, the way it did.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's honestly right, it was. It was really the putt
on the seventy second hole. All he's got to do
is two putt and he knows he's worst case in
a playoff, and and he leaves it seven feet short,
and he left it short and on the same line
as Keegan Bradley.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
It's called choking a little bit. That's what I'm saying.
You know, breathing right, Learn how to do that, And
that's a big item to hitting on your exhale all
that sort of stuff that he has to be able
to grab that energy. And unfortunately for him, something's missing
that's in that characteristic in order to be a winner.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, let's look at the good thing. He won three
point two million dollars, which is the most that's ever
been paid out to somebody that wound up in that position,
and he's still let's see in terms of things, he's
he's still in the I got to hear somewhere but

(08:00):
had x cup points. He's doing well. Yeah, and in
the world rankings he's doing.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I'd like to ask him this question, what would you
give up the three point two million for the win? Yes,
he probably would. There you go.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, And Keegan Bradley got the win and all that money.
And I believe I think that Henley and Fleetwood he's
got one point seven million. I believe for second place
they because they finished tied. Keegan Bradley got three point six.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
I want to talk about Henley. A guy that says
the ball moved they called cost of a stroke and
that cost him potentially the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Let's go back to that, Dennis, because I have two
rules questions. One is this calling himself a penalty. He
said the ball moved a dimple. Nobody saw it, nobody
was there. It was in the tall grass when he
took the club away. He said he for certain saw
the ball move a dimple. Called a penalty on himself.
He misses out on winning the tournament by a shot.
That's a penalty that if he doesn't assess that on himself.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
If all things are equal, he would on the tournament.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
However, there's two basic rules that underline all the rules
of golf, honesty and integrity. Those are the two items.
What if he wins but he knew that that move moved? Oh, now,
where's the integrity?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
I got a question for you on that one. If
you have a club and the ball is in the rough,
should you not put the club down in the grass
because that can cause the move? Should you leave it
above the grass before you hit it?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
In all cases, yeah, you leave it above. You don't
want to do anything to move the ball, And you
do that, and certainly the ball would move. Now the
other side is I watch players in the rough push
down on the club sure right behind the ball.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
That's cheating, which is also changing.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
You're influencing that lie now, whether they're doing it intentionally,
whether whatever, whether it's an accepted deal. But I don't
I don't like to see that.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Let me take you back to last week at the
US Open. Something that I wanted to cover last Monday
and we didn't. Sam Burns gets asks a rules official
to come over and give him relief on the fifteenth fairway.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
He didn't get relief.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Second rules official he came over, he wanted a second
opinion on it, also didn't give him relief. The rules
written when you stand, if your feet displaced water, you
get relief. But if the ball is lower than where
you're standing and the ball is in water, should you not?
Is there not an addendum to the rule that an
official could move.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
It was a bad He should have got relief, simple,
simple as that. He should have got relief. Whatever they
were doing looking at this, it's the ball that was
in the water. It's judging and you could see it
right the neck of the club. Just the batter just
cut it and flipped the club. Sure hit it right
to them.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
And when he took a practice when you could see
the water fly, I think he was trying to show
the rules officials to say, look at this is what
I'm hitting out of. Just because my feet are above
the ball and they're not displacing water, my ball in
its position.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Is in the water. You saw all the critiques, Yeah,
none of them were in favor.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Of the ring.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
And you don't know for sure, but it could have
cost him the tournament, I.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Mean, no question. Sure, Yeah, you know you mean you're
gonna go Whenever you hit it through water and you're
going to go through that neck is going to catch,
just like you hit it out of grass. Catching it
turns it over.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Do you think, okay, so that's one. But we have
hit on this a number of times. Do you think
that there is enough legs to the idea of moving
the rule on hitting out of a divot.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
In the fairway?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Think it's going to change ground under repair? Do you
think it will change?

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yes, it is so unfair that I drive it right
in the middle of the ferway and I'm in a divot. Fixable,
it's ground under repair, whether I go ahead and put
the divot back, or whether I put dirt on it
and hope that and say it and so yeah, absolutely,
that's a that's a bad rule that it's in the

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it's in a divot.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
How could they change that? Can one person make a decision?
Do they have a committee if they were going to
change that? Who does that?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
WS or the USGE? But I mean could one person
do it? In the well, they'll bring it up in
front of a group. Who does the rules? I mean,
just think about it. It was like eight or eleven
rules original rules. Did you ever see the rule book now?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
My gosh, I mean it's this thick yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Like a bible. Oh man, there's all these rules for rules,
you know, so that you know they they changed the
ball in the water, you know. I mean there's used
to be five options. There's only three now. They took
the one to go across. They took some of those out.
So that's a good that's a good move. And this
will be a good move too if it's in a
divot market, drop it and move on, move on. That's right.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh, we're gonna let me set up the show here
a little bit. We're going to talk to Gary Dematto.
He'll join us in our second segment tonight we go.
You get hear from him this week about the Italian citizenship.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Say a word. I won't say a word, you know, he'll.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
He'll bring wondering what school you got anything for us
new this week? No, okay, be careful what you ask for.
Nothing he can.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Say on the air, I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
So we'll talk to Gary Tomato and then is he
struck her on the State match play the match play
a week ago up at Old Hickory.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And then had some more success. Uh today with her mom.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Today my mom made six mourdies on the back.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Nine is come on, honestly, is she not the most
talented golfer in the family.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
She's got the talent comes from what's inside. There's a
good example what I told you about. She'll eat your
eyes for sure. Man, I'm gonna tell you she's gonna win.
That's what she's gonna do. And while she won that
match play, I went down to watch her playing. You know,
she's just you know, she works out, she does all
the right things, you know, by when it comes down

(14:01):
to playing, she she doesn't care who it is. You know, Dad,
are you going to start playing or not?

Speaker 7 (14:07):
You know?

Speaker 4 (14:07):
And that and then that h father child or whatever
they playing, And he was going on, daddy, what are
you going to start playing? Anytime? You know? I mean,
she got right after.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well, she's going to be here in person. I want
to ask her. Do you guys play card games in
the family?

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Oh? Yeah, she does. She just competes and everything.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, right, I just wanted to about that.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
She ask her. And she plays cards with Grandpa.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Though, Well that's the that's where I want to go.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
She don't like when gin on her you know or whatever.
Oh boy, she slept, that's right.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Uh So that's how the show stacks up tonight. And
then Rose is going to join us, right.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
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Speaker 4 (14:47):
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Speaker 5 (14:50):
She's a member here at TPC, and we're going to
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what it offers. She's also been an outstanding volunteer for many,
many golf tournaments here and in Arizona.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Good We had friends of ours that just joined this
last week. And also just as a little plug for TPC,
the nine and nine little program that we do on
Friday nights once a month. Couples went out in the
in the grocery, saw you there, met too well. I
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but also played with another couple and then had dinner

(15:24):
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Speaker 4 (15:26):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
We finished second three? There you go, Mike, Mike and
care three hunder par on the front nine with a
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Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, I live with that.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
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Back with you.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
This is Talking Golf Mike Heller along with Paul Brown
and Dennis Tizzy, and we welcome in.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Gary Demoto, sneeze of the program. Gary Demoo joins us.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Uh, Gary, Let's let's talk about what you got coming up,
because I know the Ray Fisher comes up next week
and this is a tournament for those not that familiar tournament.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeri, yety, that's a little Italian.

Speaker 9 (19:21):
You're very good.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Here we here we go in.

Speaker 11 (19:27):
Yeah the uh yeah, the Fisher's coming up. It's one
of my favorite things to cover in the summer. It's
a it's a really good tournament. It's probably, you know,
behind the State Open and the State Amateur, probably the
third best field in the state. And boy, the list
of champions. If you go down this list of champions,
it's it's pretty incredible. Who's won this thing? Frank Tenfil,

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Steve Caravello, Archie Daty, and Bobby Mann who played on
a PG tour. Bamowski wanted a bunch of times, Skip Candle,
a guy named Steve Stripper one in nineteen eighty nine,
John Pallin, I mean, there's just some great, great winners.
Jack Schultz more recently wanted a couple of years in
a row, and I think he set the scoring record
of like twenty five hunder one year that he won it.

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So it's great tournament. And Jamesville Riverside a sixty five
hundred yard golf course that these guys just if you
don't shoot twenty under, you have no chance of winning
seventy two ohole tournament. And I just love covering that.
Think looking forward to it next weekend.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Is Jim Nance's broadcast partner playing in it. He's been
in a number of times in the past years.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Black was you talking Tony Romo?

Speaker 11 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, scaring me? Yeah yeah. Tony Romo is entered
again this year. And you know, Tony's a really good player.
He's got a really bad back from getting hit about
five hundred times and playing football in the NFL, and
he you know a couple of times he hasn't been
able to finish because his back has gone out on him.
But he's a really good player, and I I just

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loved that he comes back and supports Wisconsin golf. He
played with his buddies at home, and he also plays
in the State Am almost every year. So it's great
that a guy like that would come back and play
in Wisconsin. And you know, his dad, Romero, is a
really good player. When the state Senior m I think
twice and owns meadow Brook, it's probably I'm certain it's

(21:20):
Tony's money behind it, but you know his dad is
one of the co owners of Meadowbrook Country Club and Rachine.
So that is a big time golf family in our state,
and I'm really thankful that the Romost give back to
golf in our state.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Let me ask you about one of our opening topics tonight,
and that was the Keegan Bradley situation. He now eighth
in Ryder Cup points. The top six are automatics and
then captain's picks after that, well he's the captain. What's
your view on this? And it's a pretty much an
unprecedented if you unless you go all the way back

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to nineteen then early nineteen sixty when Arnold Palmer was
a playing captain.

Speaker 11 (22:03):
Yeah, if you ask Dennis about this, I missed it.
I tuned in a few minutes late. So I'm going
to get my own spiel here. And I think, you
know nowadays, I think back then you could get away
with being a playing captain. This is just my opinion now,
but I think it's a lot harder today. I think
there's so much more pressure on a captain and his assistance.

(22:23):
And you know, the Wryder Cup has grown from an
event no one watched fifty years ago or forty years
ago to probably the premiere event in golf now. And
I just think there's just too much on the table
for a guy to try to split his his time,
you know, being a playing captain, it's going to be
interesting to see what he does well if he's you know,

(22:44):
so this is sixth or seventh in the points, you know,
that'd be really interesting situation.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Let me bring it back to what Tis said off
the top of the show, and Dennis said one or
the other, And Dennis believes that there is greater legacy
notoriety who have been a captain than it is to
be a player. I don't know where Kegan Bradley sits
on this, but he certainly could through the PGA, he
could relinquish his captaincy and count on either winning in

(23:12):
in points or being a selection of one of the
vice captains that would have to be elevated to be
the captain. And certainly you could choose to do that
if he wanted to.

Speaker 11 (23:22):
Right, Yeah, I would think so. I would think, you know,
he's I'm sure he's involved, involved his assistant captains and
all the early decision making. I'm further up to speed
on everything that how he wants things done, and so
I wouldn't think it would be a huge transition to
turn it over at some point to one of your assistants.

(23:42):
But I don't think you can wait, you know, until
a week before the Ryder Cup to make that kind
of decision. I think that decision would have to be made,
you know, a month in advance, if it looks like
he's going to make the team, to give you know,
your assistants a chance to get everything in line and
not bring that on him at the last minute. But
I think it could be done.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm glad he read read my text, he read your text.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, he said he wasn't listening off the top. But
you guys similar minds.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well he's pretty he's not too bad, even though I
give them a hard time. He's pretty good.

Speaker 11 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well, it could create some very interesting scenarios playing itself forward.
And I said this, Gary, get your opinion on this,
that I think he ought to be publicly putting something
out there. When he was asked yesterday, he just looked
in the camera and said, go USA. But I think
if he has another good tournament or too, then he
should either nip this in the bud by saying I

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will not play in the Ryder Cup, or by saying
the PGA and I are talking, I may relinquish my
captaincy if it's if it appears that I will be
on the team I believe.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I think Lee Trevino was a player captain okay, and
didn't work. Yeah, you know, he just set himself apart
from players. You've got to get right in there with him,
getting it right in their shirt. You've got to be
right behind him. You're in a supportive position. Like I said,
what happens if he loses?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, I wouldn't take that chance, you know.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Gary Russell Henley, I'm wondering what you think about that
situation where he called the stroke penalty on himself, and
if you'd have been covering that tournament or covered tournaments
in the past, if you run into any more examples,
I'm sure you have along the way where players come
forward and admitted that I did the ball did move

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type thing.

Speaker 11 (25:30):
Yeah, I have covered tournaments where that sort of thing's happened.
In fact, at the GMO back you know, sixteen eighteen
years ago, Mark Wilson was just a young pro at
that time. He was I don't even think he was
really established on a tour. He might have been in
the field on the sponsor's exemption back then, and on
the ninth screen at Brown Deer, he thought his ball

(25:52):
moved and he thought he might have caused it to move,
and they brought ruse officials over and they went through
the whole scenario and they determined that he had not,
in fact, causes ball to move. But I just thought,
you know, what a great example for a guy who
at that point, I think Mark was struggling to try
to get to the big tour, and of course he'd
go on to win five times and have a great career,

(26:12):
but at that time he was you know, he was
ready to call it penalty on himself and he didn't
have any status on the tour, if I remember this correctly.
So I have seen that sort of thing, and it's
disheartening to know that. I think, I don't know what
the percentages of players who would do that, but I
like to think it's at least in the mid to
high nineties. You know, I'm not going to say every

(26:32):
player would call it penalty on himself in that situation,
but it's heartening to know that. You know, most guys
have a lot of integrity on the pro tours.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I think that's why when we have scenarios in which
on tour a player is accused of something, it is
such a such a storyline because most of the players
would call that on them selves. And Patrick Reid is
a name that comes to mind that has been controversial,
controversial at times for not taking a penalty when others

(27:02):
thought it should have been a penalty, or maybe manipulating
the rules to his favor. I think there was a
time when Bryson Deshambo did that before he kind of
had a turn about in his career.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
So when they do happen, I think they're made.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
They're quite a big story because it doesn't happen very
often on a tour that doesn't have officials, other than
when you call somebody in.

Speaker 11 (27:23):
Right, yeah, do we have one minute? I want to
tell you about one other rules things we have in
a minute? Yes, all right. I covered Bryson de Shamba
when he played, and I don't know if we talked
about this before or not. I've talked about it with
a lot of people. I covered him when he played
in the Marquette Intercollegiate at Aaron Hills. He was a
student in SMU and fourteenth fairway at Aaron Hills. He

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hits a shot from the fairway, second shot going for
the green, and two on the power five and a
rules official happened to be standing there and came down
and said, Bryson, I've got an assession a penalty stroke.
You built the stance And Bryson's like, what are you
talking about? And he said that guy said, well, there
was a replaced divot and you kicked it out and
you built a stance in that hole in the divot. No,

(28:07):
And Bryson said, I didn't, I didn't do that, What
are you talking about? And a rule officials said, well,
I unfortunately I saw you do it, and I've got
to call a penalty. Well, anyway, turned into a big
deal where Bryson wanted to play a second ball and
we'll settle this back in the scorer's tent, and a
wound up that the penalty stood, and Bryson was extremely angry,
as was his coach, and they were yelling at the

(28:28):
rules officials and it was kind of an ugly scene.
But that's that's one of the weirder penalties I've either
ever seen, where a guy inadvertently, I don't think he
meant to kick the divot out and build the stance,
but he did it, and the penalty guy saw it
and called him on it. So that was just the
one of us.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Seriously, Dennis, if you if your stance was one of
your feet, one of your shoes, your stance was in
a divot, could you not. I mean, that's just that's
like having your ball and a dibbot. Nothing you can
do about it.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
You know, this is like picking the fly stuff. You
know what I'm talking about. I didn't I didn't say
the word, but good job that's what it is. You
have to understand a rules official there is there to support,
right the player. Yeah, that's what he's there for. That's
bs what he just said right there. You know he

(29:20):
really was really picking the wrong. Yeah, wrong, So you
know he's got everything. But then the other side is
he's a rule official. You got to expect his respect,
his ruling and moving on. But I'll tell you what,
that's his last job as a fire that.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Hey, Gary, we always appreciate it. Thanks for spending time
with this on this Monday night. I hope your week
is great and we'll look forward to visiting again next week.

Speaker 11 (29:46):
Thanks so much, guys.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Thank you Gary, Gary Demato joining us. Well, we've got
a couple of guests still to come, but something a
little special on the other side before we get to
a guest. All right, We're going to do that when
we come back. This is Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin.

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We thank you for your service, and we're.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Back at TPC Wisconsin and stalking golf uh and we
roll on before we welcome in our next guest. Late
last week in Lacrosse, we had a great honor for
Paul Brown. He was inducted into the Wisconsin Broadcasters Association
Hall of Fame, and I wanted to take a moment
a to congratulate you, Paul. It's a fantasy career honor

(33:32):
and uh in part of the induction ceremony, this was
a small portion of the video that was played for
those who were in attendances awards.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Shot the goal four minutes into the game against Michigan.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
William Whitelaw scores shot.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
There's a drivers block shot.

Speaker 12 (33:56):
His call shot.

Speaker 15 (33:57):
The goal is his memorable as.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
He lay back to deserts.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Not at all. He loves Madison, he loves Wisconsin Badgers,
he loves Wisconsin hockey, he loves broadcasting, he loves people.
I mean, how can you not love Paul Brown.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
I really had no intention of getting into broadcasting at all.
When I graduated from high school in nineteen sixty five,
my parents moved to Seattle, Washington, so I went with him.
I got to be friends with a guy who was
a sports announcer in Seattle, and he said, why don't
you come and sit with us during one of the
football broadcasts. I thought, sure, I can do that. And
there was an accident on the Mercer Island floating bridge

(34:39):
and they couldn't get to the game on time. So
the engineer is sitting there, the gear is setting up,
and he said, why don't you do the game until
they get here?

Speaker 4 (34:49):
And I said what?

Speaker 5 (34:51):
So anyway, they put a roster down in front of
me and the engineer said to me go, I said,
go where, which is the first thing I ever said
in broadcasting. And I had an absolute blast. And after
that I decided I'm going to look into this broadcasting
thing because that was kind of fun. I convinced a

(35:12):
radio station in Madison to give me an opportunity to
sell and do high school sports, so I moved to Madison.
That was nineteen seventy three when the Badgers won their
first national championship with hockey. And during that year, when
I was doing high school games, I went to Bob
Johnson's hockey class. He invited me to come in even

(35:32):
though I wasn't a student.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
And after the season's.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Over, Fred Gage calls Bob Johnson and said, we need
a hockey announced. He said, give that kid over to
m a deal chance, and that kind of started the
whole thing.

Speaker 15 (35:44):
I came here in nineteen eighty one. When I came here,
Badder's sports were in a different place. The badger of
hockey was the real deal, and Paul was the play
by play guy, so he was iconic right away.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
They won six national championships. I was involved in five
of them. A wonderful career in hockey. It was absolutely fabulous.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
All right, how good is that?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Really good? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
And we pulled one off on Paul. He didn't know
we were doing it, no idea. Those were the voices
of Brian Posik, who followed you uh and a very difficult,
unenviable task to be the person who followed behind the
mic for wiscons He does a wonderful and then Jeff Tyler,
who is also retiring this week, but he also was

(36:31):
the voice that we heard, you know on that. So
just a a well deserved congratulations.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
I appreciate it very much, and I'm honored and we're
honored to have Rose Lynch here with us. Rose is
a member here at TPC Wisconsin, a volunteer for the tournaments.
And Rose one question on the volunteering, and then we're
going to talk about the women's side of playing golf
here at TPC and what the club offers in terms

(37:02):
of what women are looking for. You volunteered in Arizona.
You're volunteering here and that kind of thing. You've done
it for years. What do you get out of it
and what's your experience? What was your experience like here
this year on the AMFAM.

Speaker 16 (37:16):
Well, I've started volunteering for AMFAM the first year that
it was just so that we could make sure that
Madison really looked good to the rest of the cons
It's pretty special to have a professional level tournament here.
But I do it because I well, I like to
help other people. I like to show off all of

(37:37):
the assets around us. I do the Phoenix Open in Arizona,
which is crazy, and then the AMFAM, which is absolutely wonderful.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
What did you think about it here?

Speaker 16 (37:50):
It was awesome, you know it was what can I say?
I live here, I love it here, you know you
Ridge was absolutely delightful. It was really really good. And
I know that there were a lot of skeptics out
there thinking that it wouldn't happen, it wouldn't be as
nice here, but we certainly proved them wrong. It was
great rain delay on Sunday, all the spectators could go

(38:14):
into the tennis courts. Nobody had to get wet. The
courts are the courts, the carts could go into the
tennis courts, the carts didn't get wet. That was just wonderful.
All the volunteers too. We've all been doing it for
so long and people have kind of found their niche.
They return basically to the same jobs they had before.
We now have little groups of friends that are just wonderful.

(38:36):
We all know our strength and our weaknesses and help
each other. It's just an all around great experience. And
plus I love showing off this place. Man, anybody had
anything negative to say, Man, I was right.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
On what summarized from your perspective of someone who's been
a member of Cherokee for a long time. What is
it that is good for women who want to play
golf here.

Speaker 16 (39:00):
Well, you know, the first time I played the course,
I thought, I hope I don't like it, because then
I don't have to spend any more money were join
another course. But the first time I played it, I
absolutely loved it. And from a woman's point of view,
we've got tea boxes you can play from absolutely anywhere.
The course is very challenging, don't get me wrong, but
it's also very very fair. I know my first rounds

(39:23):
I lost seven and eight golf balls per round. Now
I'm down to one, so see, there's improvement there. But
it's from a women's perspective. It's awesome and our organization,
we have a small women's organization we're building, so this
is the perfect time for other women to come and
join us. We have probably a couple dozen people that
play on Tuesday evenings. They're nine holes. We have lots

(39:45):
of new members, many of them are working. There are
different skill levels for sure, all over the board, from
people who are probably just beginning to some really really
really good golfers. But everybody has the same in mind,
and that is to have a really good time nine holes.
We play our nine holes and then come in, usually

(40:06):
have dinner, perhaps an adult beverage, and it's just wonderful.
We also have because of our women's organization, we have
so many different skill levels. Our pro shop and director
of golf they have created lessons for us. Once a
month we have a little SIPs and tips before we
go out. We also have a golf Academy where we

(40:28):
focus a little bit more on all aspects of the game.
Really and anytime that you need any help whatsoever. Nobody
has ever said, no, I can't tell you that or
there's no hope for you, even though they probably thinking.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
That we're visiting with Rose Lynch and Rose.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
You talk about the amenities that have all of the
changes that have taken place here over the last two
and a half to three years are extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
You don't see all of them on the outside.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
You certainly do in the short game area and the
learning facility in the golf course itself, but the inside amenities.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
How impactful has that been for you and those who you.

Speaker 16 (41:08):
Talked to, well as somebody who's been here since the
early eighties. The changes are absolutely remarkable. I had some
friends here from Montana and when she went into the
locker room, she was just blown away. It's absolutely wonderful.
Our performance center is awesome. You hinted about the learning center.
We had a rainy day last week when we were

(41:28):
having a golf academy. We moved right into there. The
pool is great. There's just so much to do and
everybody here is willing to help you show you what
to do. It's well, I practically live here.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I was upstairs and have been a lot this summer
with Brandon first all in.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
The workout area.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
That has also been a tremendous upgrade because he knows
what he's doing and his programs are fantastic. I don't
know you've taken advantage of those or your friends have.

Speaker 16 (42:02):
I haven't as yet, although now I feel guilty because
I mentored yesterday and or today and I didn't. But
every Friday he has a video that he puts out.
I look at that all of the time. Going back
to those videos, the pro Shop puts out a video
every Tuesday with their tip of the week. It's fantastic.

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Every aspect of the game gets covered in one way
or another.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Rose And I tell you what, you and I have
been around this place for a long long time. What
I see is a lot of families, young families that
are becoming members, and that's great for the club and
the whole social environment of that family. There's a lot
of different things to do here in terms of tennis,
the swimming pool, all of those kind of things. But

(42:50):
have you noticed the same thing.

Speaker 16 (42:51):
Yes, especially on our Tuesday nights, we have a lot
of new young ladies who just want to come out
and get away from it all for a little bit.
But yeah, it's wonderful to see all the young kids
the other day yesterday when I went by the pool,
it is jam pack full of kids and they're having
a blast. So it's definitely a family friendly place.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Well, we want to thank you for stopping by and
Dennis more importantly, wonderful member of a lot of a
lot of years.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Is okay, that's the best you can get right there.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
No, she's a favorite and she knows that. But you know,
I had a pair for all them comments that she mall.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
You know, well about time you paid somebody.

Speaker 16 (43:36):
You noticed I didn't mention you by name one.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
I know, I know it, I know it.

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We'll be back after this time out. This is TPC Wisconsin.

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Dennis.

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Dizzy ONI's here. My name is Mike Keller and Dennis.
We look outside. I'm just going to do this before
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Izzy. We look outside. It is raining hard, which is good.
You're right, so good. If it stopped in ten minutes,
you could play in fifteen minutes.

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After that no problem. Water is not you know, we
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We welcome in somebody you're familiar with. Izzy, a stricker
joins us on the phone. Izzy, thanks for spending a
little time with us. I want to talk about last week.
But before we talk about last week, can we talk
about what happened today? Can you fill us in on
a on a little tournament and you're playing partner and
what was going on today?

Speaker 17 (47:54):
Yes? Can you all hear me?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Yeah? We got up?

Speaker 11 (47:57):
Okay, good.

Speaker 17 (47:58):
Yeah. So this morning my mom and I played in
the state four ball together, which was awesome. We kind
of came up with the idea. I think back in May,
I want to say, it was like a month out
and I was like, hey, like do you want to
play together? And she's like sure, So went to Bergamont.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Today.

Speaker 17 (48:16):
We shot one under on the front nine and then
something caught on fire and my mom's putter, she made
six birdies. On the back.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
Wow, what happened on the other three holes? What happened
on the other three holes?

Speaker 17 (48:36):
We made one boby all day, which was pretty good.
It was pretty windy today, but seven under was a good.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Score, I guess. So did she leave any putts for
you to make?

Speaker 6 (48:49):
No?

Speaker 17 (48:50):
Yeah, she's carrying me all day.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
But Mike, she made a lot of putts last week.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well yeah, and that's really I mean, before we knew
about what you were doing today, wanted to talk to
you about the state match play that you ended up
taking the crown home.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
A week ago up at Old Hickory.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Walk us through what that tournament was like for you
and that feeling of being.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
A champion there.

Speaker 17 (49:16):
Yeah, it was really special. That was my first state
match play I've played in. Actually I signed up last
year and it got rained out, So this year was
my first year. Really no expectation actually, which I think
is why I played really well, because I didn't really
know what to expect. My last match was against Peyton Hagen.

(49:39):
She's in Michigan State commit and she's been playing super well,
had a great high school season, so I knew towards
the end my competition would be tough, but I kept
my head down and I felt like I played really well.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Is he in terms of how you're doing, say the
last couple of years and the competition and that kind
of thing, what are you learning about yourself and your game?

Speaker 17 (50:04):
And in question, I think, well, first of all, I
think girls junior golf has gotten so much better. Ever,
I mean even since I was like twelve and thirteen,
I feel like there's a lot of great players, So
that's cool to see. And Peyton gave me a run,
and she's junior in high school, so it's really fun

(50:25):
to see these high school girls playing so well. We
played at McKenna Nelson's home course. She's a great player herself.
But I've learned like how important short game is. I think,
with girls junior golf and young women playing golf, how
many shots you can gain just around the greens. And
I think I've really put my focus in that. And

(50:47):
I have someone in my ear that tells me how
important short game is, and I have a good teacher,
so I think that's been a key growing up. And
even in college, I've noticed, like ledge play around the
greens on the green cutting is super super important, and
I think at the college level everyone really hits it

(51:08):
borderline the same, but the elite players I've noticed can
get it in the hole no matter where they are.
So I've learned that and I feel like I've gotten
a lot better at that. And I putt it really
well last week, which I think made a huge difference.
So it's been cool to see.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
We were talking with your grandpa earlier, Izzy about your
competitive desire.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I mean, you want to win.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I think that's one thing that separates out athletes from others,
those who participate in those who wins. There's a competitive instinct.
So I'm just curious when you're playing cards against grandpa,
how does that work?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Do you win?

Speaker 12 (51:47):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yes, Yeah, that's what that's the right answer. It's the
right answer.

Speaker 17 (51:55):
Maybe Grandpa lets me win just that I'm happy.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
No, I don't think that's in his nature either.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I also wanted to get your perspective on the m
FAM Championship that was played out here. I saw you
when you were playing. You got a chance playing the
pro am round. Your sister didn't because she's a pro,
so it didn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
But you got to.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Kind of take in the whole weekend long experience with
your uncle and your dad teaming up and being at
the course that you live at, and that's, you know,
kind of your course. What was your impression of the
whole weekend of the m FAM or the whole week
of the AMFAM Championship.

Speaker 17 (52:32):
Yeah, it was so special and I think every single
one of my family members can say that. And the
whole to the any side was a huge part of it.
I mean, my two cousins, Thomas and Ryan. One was
in the kitchen, one was running the show outside with
the carts and helping people out. So like little stuff

(52:54):
like that goes a long ways, and it was really
cool to see how our whole family was just still
on board with everything. And I actually was looking back
at some photos not too long ago, just of that week,
and I missed it already. It was so much fun
and just another reason for our families to get together
and to just watch my grandpa's dream kind of come true.

(53:17):
I know, we talked about it like how American Family
Insurance is slogan is dream and they had that everywhere,
and I kind of thought, and my sister said this,
like how my grandpa's dream kind of turned into reality,
and we all helped him do it, and I think
I almost know he thinks it's really cool, and so

(53:37):
it's really really cool to see.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
Is a When you look at the family, You've got
your dad and your mom, along with Bobby and then
your uncle Dennis. In terms of instruction, all of those
people are quality golfers. Do you seek advice from all
of them?

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Do you?

Speaker 5 (54:00):
How do you handle that kind of situation when you
have so much available in terms about learning and playing golf?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 17 (54:10):
Try to utilize as as many people as I can,
get as much information as I can. And I know
my Grandpa's said this before, like to talk to a
lot of different people and pull out the information that
works for you because everyone has such different language. I
think has helped me into the golfer that I am.
I think I take just as much information and from

(54:32):
my mom then I do my dad. And some would
probably say that it's all my dad, but I don't
think people see how much my mom has contributed to
my sister. I mean, she's fresh out of college golf
and she's she kind of knows what's going on in
the young golfer world. And my dad is a very
experienced golfer, so to get like a bunch of different

(54:55):
perspectives from it, and a bunch of different levels. I mean,
my sister is an aspiring pro, she's on the many tours,
and my dad is a successful pro. So to see
those two perspectives is really eye opening. I even get
it from my great uncle Larry, my grand brother, and
my uncle Mario, so I can pull from all different directions,

(55:15):
which is really cool.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Izy.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
That is you know, you give us a great deal
of joy when we see you playing and see you winning.
So keep doing what you're doing. We appreciate you spending
time with us tonight. We'll look forward to the next
time we get to do it.

Speaker 17 (55:29):
Thanks Izzy, Thank you, Thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
All Right, we take a break here. I know Grandpa
is proud, but we got to take a break regardless.
This is talking golf at CPS.

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Speaker 3 (58:47):
You one final time.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
What a really good show we've had tonight, not self congratulatory,
but Gary Demato was great. And then talking to Rose
Lynch here in person, and then and then hav An
Izzy on and the topics off the top I mean
the their self made on a PGA tour and some
rules and it's a good night.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Dennis Dizzy on and it was fun having Izzy.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
On about the time you guys do something right.

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I knew it was gonna be something like that as
soon as you started then, I thought, you know what
he's gonna say.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
What kind of a smart Alec comment he could make
without having us to drop him for saying something he could.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
We'll do it again next Monday night.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Thanks for being with us again talking golf at TPC Wisconsin,