Talking Golf 06-30-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin is on the air. Talking
Golf is brought to you by American Family Insurance, Oak
Park Place, Wild Rock Golf Club, Mercedes Benz of Madison, TPC,
Wisconsin University, Ridge Golf Course, Ridge Top Exteriors, Southern Italy
Imports and Novada Bob's. Now here's your foursome for Talking Golf.

(00:27):
Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer, Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin Broadcaster Hall
of Famer, Paul Brown, Wisconsin premier golf reporter Gary Demato
and host of his daily statewide sports talk show, Mike Keller.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
So we get started in what is the dog days
of the golf season, because there just isn't as much
going on now. The US Senior Open wrapped up this
week in Padric Harrington picked himself up a Champions Tour
major tournament win with a win there. Steve didn't play,
Mario didn't play, Jerry was in the field, but not
in contention. When it was all said and done, we

(01:04):
welcome you in, Dennis Dizziani, Paul Brown, on Mike Keller.
Dave mccannon is here as well. We'll visit with Gary
Demato in about fifteen to twenty minutes, we'll talk with
Derek Schnar, the head golf pro at Blackhawk Country Club,
about golf and his foundation balance and believe the give
back element of golf is part of that conversation. And

(01:26):
then in the final segment of a guest, we're gonna
talk with Jacob Beckman, who won the Ray Fisher over
the weekend. But let's start with bad behavior on the
golf course.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
There was a bunch of things.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Over the way.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
There's a bunch of them and it kind of starts Dennis,
and it's not just this weekend, but we see golfers
who will react and this is my curiosity. So brooks
Kepka smashed a tea marker over the weekend. We've seen
other players break a golf club, or break their driver,
or break their putter and then to go the rest

(02:00):
of the round without because you don't get to replace
if you do that. We see it in other sports
as well, and we don't react to it, but we
do in golf. As a coach, former coach at University
of Wisconsin, what was your attitude, what was your philosophy
on those who showed negative emotions or let the moment
get to them.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, if one of my players ever beat the did that,
I would not let them play for the rest of
the year or two or three years. But they knew
that going in. And these guys haven't got they do
not have a boss. Yeah, you see what I'm saying,
so they react to a negative deal. Now I would
ask him right out, did you learn that out on

(02:41):
the live tour? Is that where you learned how to
do that? Because over here that's not going to work right,
You're going to get nailed for doing that. But I
don't know what their situation is over there. But clearly,
you know when you lose control of yourself. And that's
the secret about playing golf, to have control all the time,

(03:02):
because whatever your mind says is that's what your body's
going to do. And if you're going to do that
kind of stuff, what is that? So clearly, but you
don't know the background. You don't know what happened. He
might have lost ten billion dollars here yesterday, so you
don't know all the background to it. But even still,
somebody like that, no way an answer to your question,

(03:23):
what I that didn't happen for me? I didn't sure
that's all right?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
But you saw it happen with others. I mean certainly
players that your players played against.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, you know, banging the clubs, bad bad language, letting
the club, throwing it at the bag, letting it go
on their swing and it flies into the crowd. What
is that?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Speaking of that on Bruce Kepka when he hit that
that tea marker, that team marker hit a golf fan.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
So that was another impact of that.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm sure he feels bad about it. I'll give him
the benefit of the doubt. But you know, they don't
make people like Jesus Christ anymore. Yeah you know what
I'm saying. So that's right, and so you got to
give him a break. He's a good player. He's done
a lot for the game. I know he wants to
come back to this tour providing a course that they

(04:13):
come up with something, you know, to make it feasible
to everybody else. But that's uncalled for. People know, we've
got it here, I've we all see it. Ask people
to leave the course. You take a miss the put
and took a swipe at the butter, took a divot
out of the out of the green, and I got
to go and put a different hole in because there
was a divot there. So that stuff happens, uh, you know,

(04:33):
And but I guess that it's punishable.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Sure, I wouldn't want to be the one to have
taken a divot out of the green, and.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'd have left before he found out, I know.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Because we would have probably been off the golf course
for the rest of your life.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
There was a little bit more than that. He then
became a member in the next day at maff Oh. Yeah,
what got to get out of here? I don't want that.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, and it's always something about you know, we talk
a lot over the course of time about growing this
game with youth golf, and the junior league is out
here and part of the I would assume part of
the Mantra Junior League is about their decorum and their
behavior on the golf course. You've got to teach it
young and we see it in all of the other

(05:24):
sports and we talk about it, you know, and I
do a talk show daily we talk about bad behavior,
about the player's reaction to a referee or to a coach.
This is for me, always one of my favorites. Gino Oriema,
great coach women's college basketball at Yukon. He said when
they would scout certain players Dennis, that they would look

(05:46):
because they get whoever they wanted, right, I mean, they're
going after the best players in the country. He said.
When they were going to look at him, he'd watch
what they did when they weren't in the game. Right
when they're winning by thirty five and she's on the
bench at the end of the game, is she cheering
on her teammates. Is she passionate about the players that
are on her team that get a chance to play now,

(06:07):
or is she looking up in the stands and talking
to somebody behind her or trying to find her phone.
Or that's how they would recruit. So you don't want
to record, you don't want to reward bad behavior is
the ultimate.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
There's a reason why he's the best. Yeah, there it
is right there. You know, you recruit the best, you
get the best. You know, you have to know what
you got and I, you know, do this. And when
I would recruit, I would always go on the ladies group.
Is make sure that I went to look in their
room where they lived. Yeah, they told me the whole story,
the pictures that were there, All this and all this

(06:41):
and all that, and uh, you know you go into
is He's room. Yeah, everything is perfect. I mean everything.
Well it's like her dad, same thing or anal. You know,
everything's got to be lined up. That's the way she
plays golf. That's the way he plays golf. There's no
you know, there's no overture of any yeah. Anyway.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
By the way, there was another situation on the tour.
Podrick Carrington in the PGA Senior event. He was looking
for his ball on a hole and Roger Maltby, who's
the encurse reporter, was there and Podriick apparently got over
all over him about not helping him, meaning Roger look

(07:22):
for the ball, and apparently they got into a pretty
heated discussion about it, and Maltby apparently said, look, I'm
a commentator.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm not part of this. I'm not going to help you, right,
I don't have to.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
There was a letter of thing he could have said,
what was that you hit it? There? Go find it?
End up story.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
So let's talk about the unwritten rules in golf. If
you and I are playing a match, is it would
you help me look for a ball that I've hit
in a waste area?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Absolutely, Okay, it's the right thing to do. What's the
right thing to do? Sure, you know, it's not who's right?
What's right?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Right?

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I mean, what are you doing, you know, help the
guy out.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
So I have a slightly different view of the multi situation. Yeah, yeah,
because my view of it would be, if he's standing
in the area, why wouldn't he look a little bit.
He didn't have to pound the I mean, he didn't
have to be in full search mode. But if you're
going to stand there, and I mean if I'm a
spectator standing there and I'm allowed to.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
You're going to help.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Different story. But now you go over there and you
help him find here, and you're supposed to be reporting
the deal.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Sure, I mean a competitor on the.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Other side, you just do your job. Your job is
to report, not to look for balls.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
But the to be clear, I agree with that part
of it. But to be clear, if you're in the
area and you didn't have that responsibility, you're not a reporter.
Then if you're allowed to do you want to look
for the balls.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
To do it all the time? To help Tiger Woods
move a big boulder out around direct you know.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
And by the way, yesterday Tyrell Hatton who gets a
little upset on the Live Golf Tour Apparently. I don't
know if it was a Part four or Part five,
second or third shot, hit on the green and rolled
in the water.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Okay, now listen, if if Dennis were telling this story,
I'd be so afraid of what was going to help next.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
But uh he they caught the audio and I'm not
sure if they played it on television, but it's on
social media. The F word BS, That whole is the
F word.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
BS.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Oh look at that you did. You did a good
job on that good thing. I didn't have to say
that's exactly right now.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I was working the.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Thing about that. You know, I'll really uh quit miking him.
There's a reason why they're doing it, because he does
it all the time, and it's a it's it's news.
So mike him, mike him, get us, get what he's saying.
It's interesting. Quit my making him.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
I don't know if they had the mic directly on him,
but they had a camera and mike.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
They got too much on him because he's you know,
and it's this guy takes the ball out of the
bag wrong, and he's got a comment about it.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Come on, and the network wants that makes makes no excuse.
The network wants that type of that kids, What when
have we talked about live? And why are we talking
about it today? Because Keopka blew up a team marker
and Terrell Hatton swore because he was angry at the
golf course.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Right, Yeah, it's news, fake news.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Correct, That's why they want that coverage out there. We're
gonna we're gonna touch on something with Gary Demato. He'll
join us uh in our second se No, this one
is a good one. We talked about it off the air.
So two players, and we're gonna ask Gary about this
because I want to get his view. He wanted to
get yours. So hopefully he's listening already. So two players
on the corn Ferry Tour were disqualified for sharing information.

(10:59):
So so part of sharing information all this is is
not reading putts. Sharing information is what club? What iron
did he use in that shot? Dennis, I don't know
because I never played tour golf. Is it is it commonplace?
Because I think it is.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
They walk over and look in the bag and the
other thing. How does that reporter know what club is
being hit unless he's getting the finger roll. Sure, that's wrong.
I'm gonna tell you one.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Story and tell you, yeah, this is good.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
A good friend of mine, he was, he was, he
was a good player. You'll recognize the name Nough I
can think of it. And anyway, he told me. We're
sitting in the locker room and he says, I finally
got those young guys that were playing with me. What
is that? Well, you know the whole number eight, it's
two hundred. While he says, uh, you know what I did?
He says, what I did? I took a three iron

(11:51):
and I choked down on it a little bit and
I hit it right on the green. Perfect. Now, all
these two boys looking in the bag, right, see what bag?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
What club I hit?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
They the same club. Both both flew over the green.
Both flew over the green. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So inform all is shared. It is a rule, correct,
I mean it is a rule that you can't share information.
So I suppose if a rules official wanted to be
by the book rules official and he's standing on a
t box and here's or sees the caddy, typically would
do it just as a hand gesture.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
And they all got a machine that they look at
they got the yardage? Why are you asking what club
to hit? If you know the yardage, what ask me
what club is he hitting?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
But it's typically an unenforced rule. Is that a fair
way to say?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Absolutely, it's cheating. You know it's.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Cheating, but they don't enforce no, oh you know.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
What are you doing? It goes like that too. That's
a seven ron, right, I mean everybody knows what that is. Yeah,
you know, so you're telling them if caddy's back and forth.
But keep in mind, now caddies aren't the way it was.
That's a real business. I mean, sure those guys.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Are making right well. And I think it's important to
note that if you if you're not paying attention, if
you're watching the event on television, they tell you he's
hitting a six iron.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
How does he know that?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, the announcer knows it, because the information is communicated
from the cady typically to whoever the broadcaster is or
whoever's on scene on that whole.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
By the way, that guy who told me that joke
with Sam Snead.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Sam Sneid, Yeah, I used to sit in the locker
room with him.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
He's a funny guy, you know everything, But he you know,
I finally got those guys. He said, they're looking they
all hit it over.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
What kind of guy was Sam?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Really a down to earth type guy, very much into
what he does, very good at what he does. He
would I know that he would go ahead and come
up on people who are playing and play with them
and then ask him to pay money when they got done.
Is that you know?

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
But he was as good as it gets. I mean
this guy.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Was you get a tip or two from him? Would
he give you? Be the kind of guy that would
give you a tip.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
That's why I sat there find all kinds of things.
He taught me about the grip, how you grip it?
You know when you held me the base knuckles are
on the top upper left and upper right end quadron.
That was him. He got it just like this, and
then he grabbed the cup and he'd go, oh like that,
you know. Or we were was watching him hit balls.
He played with Wilson all the time. The Gwilson guy

(14:32):
came down and I'm standing there watching him hit and
he gave him a club and Sam hit it. No,
he says, I told you I used a D four.
This is a D three. He knew now keep in
mind the swing weight is a half of a dollar bill.
He knew the swing weight on that was more than
a thing. Then another time he used to putt, you know,

(14:53):
between his legs, and he had to change.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
He had to go on the side.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
On the side, so we were putting. There was two
or three of us on a green. He came on
a putting green. Sam he said, I said, come on, Delverne,
putt no. So he dropped the ball. He's forty feet away. Boom,
put it right in a hole, he says, And you
guys want me to put with you at a chance?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, why do you think in this sport people are
willing to help one another. Steve is noted for that
helping somebody putting. They don't do it.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's not like one quarterback goes to the other in
pregame and says, hey, I'm having trouble on the little
touch screen. Passes helped me out. But in golf it
happens all the time. Why do you think that is
they are competing against one another, but a lot.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Of them is the way they were brought up to it.
You know, in these deals where honesty and integrity, those
are the two major rules in golf. I mean, somebody's
having trouble, wouldn't you help them? Happens all the time,
you know, I mean I can. And my good friend
just passed away Carl Unice, okay, you know he just
I just text him and he dies a couple of
days later. But here was a competitor. But the that

(16:00):
we used to do together, even playing. You know, he
didn't like when I used to stand across from him
when he teed off with my arms folded. You got
in my head right away, he says, you got my
right way. But even still there was a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, how do you do when you did that on purpose?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Absolutely, it's called gamesmanship.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, I think it's I think it's one of the
great attributes of this game is that players help one another.
And I don't mind, like mind is not the right word.
I get it here. But if you're on tour and competing,
that guy's trying to take money out of your pocket
because you're both competing for the same house all the time,
and yet they do it all the time.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Tiger Woods help Steve. I mean, there were one and
two in the world and vice versa. You know, he's
got a number of people who still call him, you know,
to help him putting and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
But he had a lot of confidence and he probably
felt and I don't mean it in the meeting way.
I can beat him anyway, right by helping him.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, you know, you know going when you go to play,
you can't. Yeah, I have an attitude other than just that.
And you know, good all good players have short memory, sure, yeah,
the good very sharp memory. So if I had a
bad shot or I have a bad tournament, they move on.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
It's always good to not like not like bowlers. Yeah,
oh yeah left handed?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Oh no, boy.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Here it is. I will let you guys ask that
out during the break. Gary Demato joins this. When we
come back, this is talking golf at TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
Your golf game need to pick me up. It's one
stop shopping only in the battle bombs.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Joel and his.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
Crew can equip you, dress you, teach you. And here's
the best part. Do are used club shoes, bags, carts, aparel, balls,
you name it, and they got it. Isn't that right, Joel?

Speaker 8 (17:42):
Your game, your store always at the best price.

Speaker 9 (17:45):
Thank you, Wisconsin for supporting the twenty twenty five American
Family Insurance Championship. This year's events debuted a new team
competition and a new location at TPC Wisconsin. Congratulations to
the winning team of Darren Clark and Thomas Bjorn. The
pair shot thirty two unders over the fifty four whole event,
securing the team title with a final round score of
seven under sixty four. Mark your calendars for the twenty

(18:06):
twenty six American Family Insurance Championship, which returns to TPC,
Wisconsin June fifth through the seventh. Stay up today on
all things AMFAM champ at AMFAM Championship dot com.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
Why drive an ordinary car when for the same monthly
payment you could be driving something extraordinary? Aaron Perkins, General Manager,
Zimbrick European. Imagine yourself behind the wheel of a Mercedes,
benz Audi or Porsche. More safety, performance and luxury and
way more fun and getting more costs less than you think.
Zimbrack European makes leasing affordable. Discover the value for yourself.

(18:38):
Stop in and test drive a Mercedes, benz Audi or
Porsche today. Visit Zimbrack European and find out why leasing
the car of your dreams makes so much sense.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Hey, guys, it's Mike Keller for Lombardi Lemonada. You know
this is my time of year, hitting the links, grilling out, voting.
Better weather means Lombardi time. Lombardi Lemonada an Italian inspired
hard lemonade, locally owned and made with all natural ingredients,
none of those artificial sweeteners, and it goes great with
just about any summertime activity, anytime, anywhere. Loosen up by

(19:08):
picking up some Lombardilamanada today at your local festival foods
and make any time feel like summertime with Lombardilemanada.

Speaker 11 (19:17):
Escape to Wild Rock Golf Club in Wisconsin, Dell's World
Championship golf meets breathtaking natural beauty. The perfect golf get
away oh waits with numerous luxurious lodging styles perfect for
groups of any size. Carved from the natural beauty of
the area, Wild Rock is set against rolling hills, rugged terrain,
and use you won't forget Book your next rounder, stay

(19:38):
and play package today and get ready for an exceptional
golf experience. Visit wild rockdolf dot com for more information.
That's Wildrockgolf dot com.

Speaker 12 (19:48):
Hi Matt Lape, your friendly game announcer for Rich Stop Exteriors.
Is your home ready to stand out this season? Ridge
Top Exteriors, Wisconsan's trusted name and home improvement, does more
than just top quality roofing. There your go to for maintenance,
free site an energy efficient windows. Ridgetop has expert credentials
with leading manufacturers like Tella, James Hardy and LP Smart Siding.
For over twenty years, they've delivered exceptional craftsmanship and service.

(20:10):
Called Ridge Top Exteriors Today or is a ridgetopicsteriers dot
Com for your free consultation Bridge Stop Exteriors where customer
service always comes first.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Your golf game need to pick me up? It's one
stop shopping only into battle Bob. Joel and his crew
can equip you, dress you, teach you and here's the
best part. Newer use club shoes, bags, carts, apparel, ball
you name it and they got it.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
Isn't that right, Joel, Your game, your store always at
the best price.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Back with you on a Monday, It's talking Golf at
TPC Wisconsin. Mike Keller, Paul Brown, Dennis Tizziani and we're
joined by the former president of the National Golf Writers
Association of in America, Gary Dematto. Now, Dennis. I don't
know if you know this, but Gary's retired.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
He's been retired for a long time.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Oh you gave him an opening to pick on him
right there.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Sometimes I put the ball on the tee for Dennis. Yeah, so, Gary,
thanks for jumping in here with us. I will get
to a little bit on the ray Fisher in a minute.
But I don't know if you were listening a little
bit earlier, but we did talk about the corn Ferry
Tour and a couple of players that were disqualified for
sharing information club selection. Tell us what you know about
it in your view on this, and then Dennis already

(21:23):
jumped in on it, but we'll do it again.

Speaker 13 (21:25):
Yeah, I did hear you guys talk about it, And okay,
here's what happened. The guy's caddy shared information, you know,
flash three for three iron or whatever to the other caddy,
and the guy, the player who caddy did that, kind
of felt guilty about it, and he talked to some
other players after the round and the other player said, Hey,
don't worry about it. It's common practice out here. We

(21:46):
all do it. You didn't do anything wrong, But he's
still so guilty about it, so we went and talked
to a rules official. Well, as soon as you do that,
you're admitting you broke the rules, right, So they decued
him and the other player for sharing that information back
and forth. So if you wouldn't have said anything, it
would have been fined. But here's my view on that rule.
I think I think it's a dumb rule, and either

(22:07):
enforce it or you know, strike the rule and change
the rule because it's not enforced. And it happened at
the Masters a couple of years ago when Brooks kept
his caddy held up five fingers to Gary Woodman's caddy.
Now he was not waving hello, he was telling me
that five iron and that's the National investigated and there

(22:29):
was no penalty in Kurt it was. I saw the
video as a lot of people did. It was plain
as day. He was slashing five fingers for a five iron.
So either enforce the rule or change it. That's kind
of my view on it.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Tis well, it shouldn't be a rule.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
So you would agree with Gary to take the rule out.
Take the rule out, just take it out of the blocks,
because the rules official in this case would have had
no choice if the caddy came and said, this is
what I did. What's the rules official supposed to do.
It's his job to enforce the rule. He didn't bring
it up. The caddy brought it to the player.

Speaker 14 (23:01):
The rule.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Remember, put up, keep up, and shut up. You know
that's what That's what they're supposed to get.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Doing, Garry, I've got another one for your.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Colin Moricow over the weekend apparently parted with his caddy
Joe Reimer, and the guy from Golf Week got the
exclusivity on the story and went to confirm it and
what Colin said was an inappropriate time, and apparently they

(23:34):
got into a pretty heated discussion about that. As a
reporter in that kind of a situation, how would you
have handled her? How do you feel about that kind
of thing?

Speaker 13 (23:45):
Well, I know the reporter in question, Adam Schupak. He
was on the board when I was president and still
is on the board of the Golfighter Association. Good guy
Hartners reporter. He breaks a lot of news stories on
the tours. And you know, as far as I'm concerned,
I read the transcript of what happened and it sounds
like Colin Moricau is a little thin skinned about it.

(24:06):
I mean, that kind of stuff has reported all the time,
when players change caddies and stuff like that. It's just
part of the news. And it sounds like Colin you know,
he a few weeks ago he said he doesn't owe
anything to anybody talk to talk to the media. Well,
you're talking to media, but you're talking to the fans.
You're talking to the people who pay your freight, right,
so you know it's true. There's no rule that says,

(24:30):
like in the other in the major sports leagues, you
have to talk to the media after a cooling down period.
That's no rule in golf that says you have to talk.
But I think it's in their best interest to talk
to the media. And so that's my view on it
is he's he's a little bit thin skinned about it.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
We got to wait a minute, Wait.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
A minute, you can talk to the media. I'll tell
you what though, when you write the story, I want
to edit the story when I say that question. When
I say that question, they tell me, no, wait a minute,
you're telling I want to know what you said, so
you know I can know a little bit about it.
Get out of my life. Just move on.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Then get to what he does he get the putt
for you?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Well, no, because I'm putting. I mean, that's real. What
you're giving is your dissertation of what the deal is.
You don't tell the whole story. Well, it's proven in
media today they don't tell the whole story.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think. In to be fair about this, there are
there are good reporters, and there are okay reporters, and
then there are poor reports.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Fine, you're talking about me, right, you're talking about me.
You're getting some I want to read what you wrote
because that's not what I said, or that's not what
I mean. But they won't do that because it's opinion.
Well that's that's what I don't want to. I feel
like my buddy Trump. But you know, you know, I
can see why he would get teed off about it.

(25:57):
And this guy goes ahead and talks about him getting
rid of his caddy, which is none of his business.
Why did you fire your employee? None of your business?
Take a walk, That's what should have been said.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, and then you and I won't agree on that either,
And that's okay. But because at the end of the day,
they're living in a in a public venue as a
competitive player and reporters have to report on competitive players
and it is They don't need to know the reason why,
but they can report the Colin Morricawa cut ties with

(26:30):
his caddy.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
But he asked why, correct, and well, I don't have.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
To tell you.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Colin didn't give him an answer.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
That's right. So now he's a badass because that happened.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, and then we and that was a good save
right there, and then we because Rory essentially kind of
said the same thing a couple of weeks ago when
he was asked about not doing interviews, and he says
he kind of he feels like he's earned the right
to not have to talk after every round of golf.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
I'm putting on the show. Where's my respect? And as
far as him putting for me, he could go to
work for an outboard marine.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Ave Gary, Let's let's talk about the ray Fisher, which
is what you definitely changing the subject just in time.
Jacob Beckman the winner down to the ray Fisher. But
as it is every year, the scores are tremendously low,
and it gives you a concept of how good the
golf truly is. They do love playing on this course

(27:32):
and it is scorable But what did you What was
your impression with Jacob Beckman and the ray Fisher last weekend.

Speaker 13 (27:39):
Yeah, it's one of my favorite events to cover in
the state, just because the scoring is also low. There's
so many birdies and the leader board is like a
Plinko game, you know, guys moving up and moving back.
And it was a three way tie after regulation seventy
two twenty two under two sixty six Jacob Beckman, Dustin
Schwab who won last year. In fact, Beckman in the

(28:00):
playoff last year, and Rayon and Ferris who made the
cut on the number and then shot sixty three sixty
one in the thirty six so finale yesterday and actually
with three zos left he had he actually grabbed the lead.
He came from tied for sixty fourth like fifteen strokes
back and he actually had the lead before a couple
of guys birdied late and they got into the playoffs.

(28:22):
But I just love covering this tournament. It's all the
you know, it's the feel is almost as good as
the State am and it's it's so much fun because
you just see so many birdies and eagles. I think
the three guys who made the playoff combined and seventy
two holes for a double eagle, six eagles and seventy
one birdies.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Pretty incredible, Yeah, on any golf course.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, I don't know, Well, there would be your first
one tonight.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
The tournament actually started here at Cherokee, Yeah for sure,
absolutely a long long time ago. And the winning score
in one of the events was a guy named you
will recognize his name, Steve Carvello. Sure, seventy seventy seventy
minus six. He won the tournament. Now, you know, I
got to believe that the best players were in that field. Sure,

(29:15):
best players scored twenty two under. But really, something isn't
right there. I know he likes to watch birdies and
all that other sort of stuff, and I can get it,
but I don't know, it seems like an awful lot
of I don't want to take anything away from this
young fellow who's going to be on the show here
a little bit later. He won the event, But I'm

(29:35):
talking about you know that particular. The course is easy, yeah,
and today today they overpower the course, you know, even
you know, driving the holes and stuff like that. Is
that really what you want to do? To talk about
a major championship in our state. Shouldn't you play a
golf course not derogatory to theirs because it is what

(30:00):
it is. But yeah, I mean something that's tournament of course?
Is that a tournament? Well, that's my opinion. We used
to have it here. I was sad to see it go.
We had it for a long time. But those winning
scores were not twenty under part.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, I think the I think the the headline of
that your opinion there is you asked if you could
give an opinion what You've never asked that question before.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
But you know you can't have a you can't have
an opinion.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
On a fact.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, okay, this is a fact. Garry goes.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I'm I'm out of here now.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Gary Demato, I hope you say yes again next week.
We always appreciate that you just to visit with you.
Thank you, Gary.

Speaker 13 (30:47):
I will close with one more thing that yeah, please do.
That's why I always tape my interviews so no one
can ever say you me, I've got every word.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, someday I'll tell you where you made that mistake.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Okay, someday, I'm ready. Okay, and talking golf continued in
a couple of minutes at TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
Thank you Wisconsin for supporting the twenty twenty five American
Family Insurance Championship. This year's events debuted a new team
competition and a new location at TPC Wisconsin. Congratulations to
the winning team of Darren Clark and Thomas Bjorn. The
pair shot thirty two under over the fifty four whole event,
securing the team title with a final round score of
seven under sixty four. Mark your calendars for the twenty

(31:28):
twenty six American Family Insurance Championship, which returns to TPC
Wisconsin June fifth through the seventh. Stay up to date
on all things amfamchamp at AMFAM Championship dot com.

Speaker 15 (31:40):
Sculpted by glaciers, played by champions. The University of Wisconsin
Golf Course, University Ridge is open for play and awaiting
your arrival with more tea times open in twenty twenty five.
You can reserve your next round directly at University Ridge
dot com. Not enough time for golf? Enjoy our excellent
selection of Wisconsin golf merchandise. Fine tune your game at
our world class practice facility, or grab a bite and

(32:00):
drink at the w GRIW Put University Ridge on your
calendar in twenty twenty five and play where the Badgers play.
That's University Ridge golf Course.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Would you like more time to focus on your hobbies
and less time with keeping up with your home? This
is Paul Brown for The Arbor's Independent Living at oak
Park Place. Contact a leasing team at oak Park Place
to find out how you can live your best life
doing the things you enjoy with neighbors that quickly become
friends at the Arbor's Independent Living at oak Park Place

(32:31):
on Madison's east Side and in Janesville, Live Life, Live Well.
Visit oak Parkplace dot com to learn more.

Speaker 10 (32:39):
Why drive an ordinary car when for the same monthly
payment you could be driving something extraordinary? Aaron Perkins, General Manager,
Zimbrick European. Imagine yourself behind the wheel of a Mercedes,
benz Audi or Porsche. More safety, performance and luxury and
way more fun and getting more costs less than you think.
Zimbrac European makes leasing affordable. Discover the value for yourself.

(33:00):
Stop in and test drive in Mercedes, benz Audi or
Porsche Today. Visit Zimbric European and find out why leasing
the car of your Dreams makes so much sense.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
If you're a golfer who likes a challenge, consider being
a member at TPC Wisconsin. The course provides you with
a very challenging eighteen who layout that makes you think
before you hit your next shot. After your round, you
can relax at the completely renovated clubhouse. The new facility
includes three restaurants, tennis courts, driving range, and programs for juniors,

(33:31):
plus other great amenities. Are you up for the TPC
Wisconsin Challenge for details on becoming a member?

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Six oh eight, two four nine, one thousand, twelve.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Time PGA Tour winner in Wisconsin native Steve Stricker for
Wisconsin Honor Flight.

Speaker 16 (33:45):
The past decade, the Wisconsin Honor Flights have recognized the
men and women of our Armed forces by escorting them
to Washington, DC to visit the memorials built in their honor.
These honor flights have served the veterans of World War
two Korea, and now we are making a push to
give all Vietnam veterans that welcome home they deserve. If
you're one of these war era veterans or no of one,
please visit Wisconsin on orflight dot org. Find the hubnar

(34:06):
SIEU and download an application today. We thank you for
your service.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Back with you on talking Golf at TBC Wisconsin. I
look forward to every time I get a chance to
visit with Derek Derek Joyce's he's at Blackhawk Country Club.
The family has been there for a long time. From
his pops Mike Schnar forever contemporary Dennis knows him well
and to Derek now and Derek, today is a special day.

(34:36):
We want to talk about how golf gives back, but
we begin by talking to you about that with your
Balance and Believe event that went on today. Last week
it was the Balance and Believe with the Badger Challenge.
This week your Balance and Believe event. Talk to me
about how this gives back and how you started doing
this quite a long time ago or quite a while ago,

(34:59):
giving back in your Balance and Believe foundation.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Sure, thanks for having me hot. Everybody you know. Today
is more about the participants in the actual tournament. Have
the opportunity to give back to the younger players is
really what this tournament is about. So we try to
get the top thirty pros somewhere in there, heavy on
the Madison Flavor, top thirty amateurs and then the top
thirty juniors, and the goal is that the juniors will

(35:23):
play with these groups, and you know, you'll even see
guys in the middle of the tournament stop and say, hey,
you know, maybe instead of hitting this shot, you should
hit that shot, or how to read greens, how to
navigate stuff. So last week is more about the charitable
arm and then this week is kind of a celebration,
you know, for the academy and what we try to
give back to the younger players and just keep trying

(35:44):
to grow golf from underneath.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
So tis we talked about that. I mean, that is
another way to give back is to have somebody like
you do. We've talked about this many times. You don't
want to bring much attention to it, but when somebody
asks you to help them with their game, you do
it and you don't charge for it. That's a way
you can grow the game back. And that's really what
Derek had going on today is that veteran players, players

(36:09):
that are really good at it playing with juniors who
want to be really good at it, and they're sharing
information and helping them.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
What he does is a good thing. Yeah, there's a
little bit more to it. The business of him giving
back is fine. But my feeling when I talked to
his dad and I are very close, mom is very
close that we're very proud of what he does in
teaching juniors, not just for this benefit, but all the
work that he does with juniors over and above this event,

(36:40):
which then this is a culmination. It's a way he
can give back for what he's done. But really, from
my perspective, the biggest part is what he does all
the time, not just in a couple of events.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, yeah, Derek, let me take it another step further
on today, because we talked about this when and a
mutual friend of ours and somebody that you coached, Peyton
won the state WIAA boys golf tournament. He wanted in
a couple of holes on a playoff. We were talking
earlier on the show tonight about bad behavior on a

(37:14):
golf course. We won't get specific here, Derek, but I
mean that played forward. So when you talk about your
giving back in balance, and believe part of that is
the decorum of a player on the golf course, which
is important in your world.

Speaker 6 (37:30):
Yes, well, I just think so much is changing. You know,
there's such an entertainment, you know, avenue that golf is
starting to go with top golf, Vitense, all these places.
And if that is where you are introduced to golf,
and then you come to a private club or even
a public facility, you know, I think the expectations, you know,

(37:51):
we're almost feeling forced to change them. Music on the
golf course, shirts that are untalked, you know, so on
and so forth. And yet I still think, you know,
what TI does over there and with his junior program
and other places, is you know, tuck your shirt and
look respectable, have respect for the game, go out there,
handle yourself the right way and understand that you know,

(38:13):
you're not playing anybody out there, You're playing the golf course.
What are you getting mad about? And I think you know,
Tis can speak to it as much as I cannot.
You know, the life experiences that I have through alcohol
and drugs and anxiety and all these things, if you
choose to use those experience is to teach, you know,
then you know, I think I've heard people say this before.

(38:34):
I think there's a lot of really good instructors out there,
and then I think there's some really good teachers, and
I think the teachers kind of do the stuff off
the golf course and says, look, here's the things that
I didn't do well in Tis knows this. I mean,
I was a club thrower. I mean there was a
time when I got done with the high school tournament,
I put my clubs behind the car and drove over it.

Speaker 14 (38:53):
You know.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
So I use those experiences and the bad things that
I did try to learn from him, and then you know,
tell him, hey, don't don't be as dumb as I was.
Don't do the things that I did. You know, don't
don't act these ways, and then some good things are
going to start to happen for you. In Peyton's case,
I truly believe that. You know, he's a good kid.

(39:15):
He looks in the eye, shakes your hand, he tucks
his shirt, and he shows up to the junior programs
to give back. You know, he checks all the boxes
that say, you know what, something good should happen for
him out there. And I don't know. If I help
a little bit with what we do, you know, that
benefits him somehow so that he can perform a little
bit better. And for me, if he performs off the

(39:37):
golf course, you know, it's there's so much going on.
You know all these different avenues you can get pulled
these days as a junior, whether it's drinking, in drugs
or just getting yourself into trouble speeding. You know, all
these things that can happen. And you know, if you
got a kid driving down the right lane five miles
and over, got a shirt time the right way, you
know he just might shoot a good scoring his ball

(39:58):
won't going And did it, you know, and do as
many bad things as I did for as long as
I did. I got done playing today and I'm like,
it's incredible how my ball still goes in these dibits. Well,
I got a lot of debts I gotta pay.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Derek, I want to take that one step further, And
did you find your passion in life because of your
past experiences? And is that what drives you in doing
all of this today?

Speaker 14 (40:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (40:25):
Absolutely no doubt about it. I mean I think I
said it in a speech today. I got monsters in
my head. They form partnerships with the issues that I got,
and I got to figure out how to battle them
every day. So you know, the one thing about cancer,
when we raise a lot of money for cancer, we
are working towards a cure. Hopefully some people you know,

(40:45):
can be cured of some of the stuff that they're
going through. Well, there's no cure for drugs and alcohol,
as they're waiting for you every day. And So to
answer your question, what I choose to do and how
I try to immerse myself in, you know, golf instruction,
teaching being a part of their lives, that's the part
that keeps me sober. So one of the hardest things.

(41:06):
Quite frankly, when people come up and say thanks to me,
I actually think it's a little bit trivial because, as
I said to everybody in that room today, I was like,
you know, hey, everybody, look around, even though you don't
know the people you're looking at, you play a role
in saving my life. And if they understand that, that
would be the impact that I hope that they understand

(41:27):
that they have on me. So me getting thanked for
anything that they do. Whether you know, people win golf
tournament's great, I think that's more up to them and
their work ethic. You know, I said to them today,
I said, nowadays it doesn't seem like people want to
work hard. And if you work hard and got talent,
it might be a little bit easier to get ahead
right now than it has been in the past because
I think this word entitlement comes up. So my message

(41:50):
saw the youth is always, hey, you just got to
work a little bit harder, because I'm not sure they're
working that hard. And then if you have some people
that are going to share experience and maybe know a
little bit about what they're doing, you might actually get
some results. So I get a lot of you know,
there's something amazing I think about the word happiness. I
try to find it every single day. It's very difficult.

(42:12):
But when you have people around you, and you know
Kis knows this more than anybody, when there's somebody that
hits a golf shot that makes that sound, there's something
that really makes me feel great, not only for what
they're experiencing as a player, but that I get to
sit there and watch it. And those are things that
have gotten me through the last twenty five years. You know,
I'm not great at it every day, but yeah, definitely

(42:34):
that helps.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah. I'll let you finish on that note, and I
would say thank you for what you do, but instead
I'll say thank you for sharing what you do with
us and talking about it, because I think that has
a greater impact. If that's possible then what it is
that you do and you know how I feel about
what you do. So Derek, thanks for jumping in with us.
I hope today was great for you guys out there

(42:57):
with a Balance and Believe tournament and we'll look forward
to visiting with you again down the road.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Thanks a lot for having me on and what his
is doing out there at GPC. I'll say this because
I think it's very important. Societies and clubs are built
by men and women who will plant trees that they
will never sit in the shade of. It's really important
if you think about it, and I think that's what
they're doing out there. So thanks for having me on.
You guys have a great show.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Good stuff. Thank you, Derek. Derek SNAr joining us. And
by the way, we you know he doesn't take that
those compliments very well. No, he does when you thank
him for I was out there last week the Balance
and Believe in the Badger Challenge and they raised a
lot of money and I thanked him for his efforts
into it, and he just looks at me and said,
this is this is what I'm supposed to do. I

(43:42):
don't need to be thanked for it. This is what
he's supposed to do, so I appreciate that about him.
Jacob Beckman was supposed to win the Ray Fisher over
the weekend well by virtue of his score. That's exactly
what happened. Jacob Beckman joins us when we come back,
this is talking golf at TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
Your golf game to pick me up. It's one stop
shopping only in the Bata Bob, Joel and his crew
can equip you, dress you, teach you. And here's the
best part. Newer US club shoes, bags, carts, apparel, balls,
you name it and they got it.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
Isn't that right, Joel, Your game, your star, always at
the best price.

Speaker 9 (44:15):
Thank you Wisconsin for supporting the twenty twenty five American
Family Insurance Championship. This year's events debuted a new team
competition and a new location at TPC Wisconsin. Congratulations to
the winning team of Darren Clark and Thomas Bjorn. The
pair shot thirty two under over the fifty four whole event,
securing the team title with a final round score of
seven under sixty four. Mark your calendars for the twenty

(44:36):
twenty six American Family Insurance Championship, which returns to TPC
Wisconsin June fifth through the seventh. Stay up today on
all Things AMFAM champ at AMFAM Championship dot Com.

Speaker 11 (44:46):
Escape to Wild Rock Golf Club in Wisconsin. Dell's word
Championship Golf meets breathtaking natural beauty. The perfect golf get
away oh waits with numerous luxurious lodging styles perfect for
groups of any size. Carved from the natural beauty of
the area wild Rock, it is set against rolling hills,
rugged terrain, and use you won't forgect Book your next rounder,

(45:07):
stay and play package today and get ready for an
exceptional golf experience. Visit wild Rock Golf dot com for
more information. That's Wildrockgolf dot com.

Speaker 12 (45:17):
Hi Matt Lape, your friendly game announcer for Ridgetop Exteriors.
Is your home ready to stand out this season? Ridge
Top Exteriors was constant trusted name and home improvement does
more than just top quality roofing. They're your go to
for maintenance free siting and energy efficient windows. Ridgetop has
expert credentials with leading manufacturers like Bella, James Hardy and
LP Smart Siding. For over twenty years, they've delivered exceptional

(45:38):
craftsmanship and service called ridge Top Exteriors. Today or visit
Ridgetopicsteriors dot com for your free consultation. Ridgetop Exteriors where
customer service always comes first.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Old park Place Memory care communities meet residents where they
are on the journey with Alzheimer's and other form of dementia.
This is Paul Brown for Old Park Place. When you
need to take that first step and learn more, turn
to the experts at Oak park Place. You'll meet a
compassionate team who will help residence fine purpose tailored to
individual needs through a success oriented program. Oak park Place

(46:11):
Senior Living. Visit oak Parkplace dot com to learn more.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Hey, it's Mike Heller for Lombardi Lemonada hard Lemonade. Everybody
loves something new, especially when it's brand new and it
tastes of your favorite hard lemonade. Just in time for summer,
Lombardi Lemonada comes in four unique flavors, crafted with all
natural lemon juice and no artificial sweeteners. Crisp, clean, and
so refreshing. It's a little slice of sicily made right

(46:38):
here in Wisconsin. Pick up some Lombardi Lemanada Today at
your local festival foods or at Woodman's and taste the
summertime variety packs or single flavors available your golf game.

Speaker 7 (46:48):
Need to pick me up. It's one stop shopping only
in the bat of Ox. Joel and his crew can
equip you, dress you, teach you and here's the best part.
Newer use club shoes, bags, park's apparel, balls, you name
it and they got it.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
Isn't that right, Joel, Your game, your store always at
the best price.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Back with you at TPC Wisconsin. It is Talking Golf
Mike Keller along with Dennis Dizziani and Paul Brown, Dave
mccantarter engineer, and we welcome in Jacob Beckman, who won
the Ray Fisher talked about that a little bit earlier
with Gary Dematto on the show. Shoot Jacob. When you
go down to that tournament, you know that the scores
are going to be extraordinarily low, you just can't give

(47:30):
much back. Does that change your demeanor? I mean you
want it twenty two hunder par and then third hole
of the playoff for the tournament. Is your demeanor different
when you know going in that the scores historically are
going to be very low.

Speaker 14 (47:46):
You know, honestly, not a whole lot different demeanor wise,
and to me, you know, it's just getting the opportunity
to tee it up in another golf tournament. The fisher,
especially with those low scores. You know it's going to
be competitive. You know, you got to make those birdies.
But just always go back to just the basics of

(48:07):
you know, just trying to hit the best shot possible
and just give yourself many as many chances as you
can on the greens and hope the potter gets hot
and roll a bunch of them in.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
So let's walk through. Let's go to the finish, because
you finish at twenty two. But now there's three of you.
What's the mindset that then it kind of becomes match play,
But it's you start with three of you. What was
your mindset as you went to extra holes?

Speaker 14 (48:32):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it is. It's it's it's becomes
match play, and it's truly a chance to kind of
start start over again if you will, right the uh,
the four rounds are done and you know, basically starting
at square one again and then knowing that it's sudden
sudden death, just you know, trying to get it trying

(48:53):
to get it done as quickly as possible, but you know,
still still back to just you know, been there before,
been in playoffs before. Loss last year to Dusty in
the playoffs, so had that little chip on my shoulder
and going out there in that playoff, you know, being
able to tie ten, we tied eleven and did a

(49:15):
great shot on twelve to finally get it done. It
was just playoffs such a cool experience to be a
part of.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Jacob, you are from Middleton, played there, you're playing at
the University of Wisconsin, and that type of thing is
you look back on your experience starting say when you
were at Middleton and your growth through the UW and
that kind of thing. What have you learned about yourself
as a player, And what's the biggest thing that you've

(49:43):
learned about your game in terms of getting better and
that type of thing.

Speaker 14 (49:48):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I've learned kind
of yeah, all throughout those years of high school and
into college is really just finding what what I know
I can lean on in the area of my game
when when the when the time gets tough or you know,
uncomfortable shots and and for me that you know at

(50:10):
the Fisher especially, that was that was the potter. Just
really knowing that no matter what the results are of
how getting to the green, just getting there as quick
as possible and then and lean on the strengths of
your game and and I'll always trust that you're you're there.
I know, you know earlier in my career that was
something you know, try and do too much with uh,

(50:31):
with certain shots. But you know, just getting leaning on
what what I know is my is my strength has
been kind of the biggest learning piece to me and
and the piece that has has helped me out in
the in the long run.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
So, Jacob, I want to ask you to go back
again to the playoff because having lost in the playoffs
a year ago, for some people that would be oh,
here we go again. But what was different for you?
And how did you take what happened last year mentally
tough and find a way to make it different this
time through.

Speaker 14 (51:03):
Yeah, I mean really just leaned, leaned, uh, you know,
recognize the emotions that that I had had last year,
and you know, internally to told myself that you know,
I did want that to happen again. I mean, stepping
up to that first t shot on tens, the first
hole of the playoff, you know, last year, stiming to
myself on the right side, right behind a tree and

(51:26):
you know, kind of thought over the balls, hey, make
sure we don't don't do that again. Ended up hitting
in a little a little more left than I would
have liked. But you know, just leaning that experience. And
then even in the you know, the year between got
through a playoff a couple of weeks ago at the
first stage of US Amateur qualifying, have had playoffs in
in qualifying rounds to go to tournaments with the Badgers,

(51:48):
and just uh, you know, leaning on the previous successes
I have had in playoffs, you know, not not trying
to think back to to the the or you know,
sour feelings last year.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
What aspirations do you have to use golf and take
it where?

Speaker 14 (52:08):
Yeah. No, it's always been my dream to turn turn
pro and try to make it professionally. And after I
complete my final year here next year at UW, my
plan is to turn pro right away and you know,
see play the Q schools and see see where golf

(52:29):
can take me.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Dennis, what advice would you give a young man with
aspirations like that.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Well, he has to follow those aspirations. If he doesn't
do it, he's going to regret it for his whole life.
So it's one thing to get out there and to
see how good you could be. It's nice that you
would challenge and be up against the best players you
could possibly be. And I like what he's doing, you know,
I'm happy that he was here. I'm hoping that he

(52:55):
sent a good word out to the players that we
have in our state that are really good, players that
are would would stay here and go to school. So
I commend him for what he's doing. Uh, And the
pro tour thing is great, but you can always take
those things and use it to your advantage even someplace else.

(53:15):
Everybody changes, stranges, jobs changes for three times roughly, you know.
I mean I taught school, you know, and I taught
I can make hi an accountant finally wound up or
I should have been right where I'm at, same thing
with him, but be able to get out there and
to see you got to go ahead and see how

(53:35):
good you could be. That means don't be afraid to
fail to go to the hardest place that you can
go and get your ass beat, right, and then see
what happens. That's how you do it. Yeah, and you
know they have a thing now, you know, there's always
a faster gun. You know, there's always a faster gun.
I don't care where you go. That's the way it is. However,

(53:56):
you know, if you can get through all those fast
guns and still be alive, Yeah, hey, you.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Got a shot.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
We got a shot.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Jacob last thought, what is what's next for you? What
else is in store for you this summer before you
begin the final year at u W.

Speaker 14 (54:10):
Yeah, headed down to Bloomington, Indiana next week to play
in the Transmits Amateur. Then after that will be the
final stage at us M Qualifying State am you know,
get then, you know, get through that final stage play
at the us Amateur and then the State Open and
then yeah, first first tournament of the college seasonal start

(54:33):
up at at Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Your time is spoken for. Keep up the good work.
Congratulations on you win over the weekend at the Fisher
Best of luck as you roll forward with the rest
of your summer and beyond.

Speaker 14 (54:45):
Hey, thank you very much. I appreciate you guys having
me on the show.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
It's Jacob Beck. Winner at the Ray Fisher really good
at having to join us here, and we will come
back and give our final thoughts as we wrap up.
Another addition to Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 9 (54:59):
Thanks, Thank you Wisconsin for supporting the twenty twenty five
American Family Insurance Championship. This year's event debuted a new
team competition and a new location at TPC Wisconsin. Congratulations
to the winning team of Darren Clark and Thomas Bjorn.
The pair shot thirty two under over the fifty four
whole event, securing the team title with a final round
score of seven under sixty four. Mark your calendars for

(55:20):
the twenty twenty six American Family Insurance Championship, which returns
to TPC Wisconsin June fifth through the seventh. Stay up
today on all things AMFAM champ at AMFAM Championship dot com.

Speaker 10 (55:31):
Why drive an ordinary car when for the same monthly
payment you could be driving something extraordinary Aaron Perkins, General Manager,
Zimbric European. Imagine yourself behind the wheel of a Mercedes,
benz Audi or Porsche. More safety, performance and luxury and
way more fun and getting more costs less than you think.
Zimbrac European makes leasing affordable. Discover the value for yourself.

(55:52):
Stop in and test drive a Mercedes, benz Audi or
Porsche Today. Visit Zimbrac European and find out why leasing
the car of your dreams makes so much sense.

Speaker 15 (56:03):
Sculpted by glaciers, played by champions, The University of Wisconsin
Golf Course University Ridge is open for play and awaiting
your arrival with more tea times open in twenty twenty five.
You can reserve your next round directly at University Ridge
dot com. Not enough time for golf, Enjoy our excellent
selection of Wisconsin golf merchandise. Find you in your game
at our world class practice facility, or grab a bite

(56:23):
and drink at the w GRIW. Put University Ridge on
your calendar in twenty twenty five and play where the
Badgers play. That's University Ridge Golf Course.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
When you are a loved one could use a helping hand,
turn to the caring team of experts and senior living
at Oak Park Place. This is Paul Brown, and when
I needed someone to help me navigate senior living for
my wife, I called.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Oak Park Place.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
They were with me every step of the way, from
the first call through move in day. Choose a community
that promotes independence when you want it, assistance when you
need it. Oak Park Place Senior Living. Visit oak park
Place dot com to learn more.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Hey guys, it's Mike Keller for Lombardilemanada. You know this
is my time of year, hitting the links, grilling out, boating,
Better weather means Lombardi time. Lombardi Lemanada an Italian inspired
hard lemonade, locally owned and made with all natural ingredients,
none of those artificial sweeteners, and it goes great with
just about any summertime activity, anytime, anywhere. Loosen up by

(57:23):
picking up some Lombardi Leamanada today at your local festival
foods and make any time feel like summertime with Lombardi Lemonada.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
TPC Wisconsin is the Total People Center, offering you and
your family a totally enjoyable experience that includes a challenging
eighteen whole layout, a good variety of programs for junior golfers,
indoor and outdoor tennis, athletic performance center, swimming pool, luxurious
locker room, and spacious accommodations for family gatherings and weddings.

(57:53):
TPC Wisconsin a total people center and a complete game
for the whole family. For membership details, call well Chicks
Away two four nine one thousand.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
We got about ninety seconds left on Talking Golf this
edition is we think the hour goes by real quick.
Menace Dizziani, let me ask you for so long talking
about on this show, we talked about the tournament at
all turns right, it was all about the AMFAM Championship.
Now it's all about members and those who are here,
but also those who can be here. So how's the

(58:27):
summer treating this golf course in your operation? After the tournament?

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Golf course is great, nothing but good comments the uptick
and right requests for sure, members are yeah, they're filling
up and it's not going to be too much longer
before it'll be one of those things where we say,
well we have to go ahead and kind of restrict that.
So uh, that was one of the ideas there, The
business of having four hundred and fifty people in the

(58:54):
pro ams exposure and then you have national TV. Couldn't
ask for anything better than.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
That's all good? Yeah, all good, there we go. We
we did it again. We got through a whole hour.
I was worried about your language earlier Paul, but we
got through that. Hey, I added, has had a great
save earlier. He was right on the edge.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
He's got his finger pointed at.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Mccambin.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Mccambon, you up, finger pointed I did.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
We're going to do this thing again next week. We
always appreciate you the crime.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
If you can't.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Appreciate you listening each week to the show, we'll do
it again next week. A big thank you to Jacob
Beckman and a congratulations on his win, and to Gary
Tomato and Derek Shnar thanks for being with us talking
golf at TPC Wisconsin.