Talking Golf 07-07-25

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:22):
and Novada Bob's. Now here's your foursome for Talking Golf.
Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer, Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin broadcaster Hall
of Famer, Paul Brown, Wisconsin premier golf reporter Gary Dematto
and host of his daily statewide sports talk show, Mike Keller.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, we welcome in on this beautiful Monday night to
Talking Golf. I'm Mike. That's Paul Brown on the other side.
Dennis Tizziani is in the middle. We hope to visit
with Steve Stricker a little bit later on, maybe sooner,
maybe later, and Gary Dematto will join us on the
program today. So we just have John Deere take place
this last weekend, and Brian Campbell won in the first

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playoff hole. He's won two playoffs this year. Those are
his only wins on tour. 'tis We've talked about this before.
When you get into a playoff, How the mindset changes,
what impresses you with somebody in their process of winning
in a playoff, or what is the demeanor you have
to have to win in a playoff?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Well, it's match play and you can't go along and
think that you're going to win making a bar. Chances
are you're gonna have to burdy the hole or a hole.
So in this particular case that playoff, I don't know
what he was thinking about on that second shot. He
had a pitching wedge and he HDD fifty yards too long. Yeah,
it flew on him a little bit. And it's a

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tough area over there where. But this other guy, you
see how he did that, He drove it perfect. Then
he did a little bit of a drill knock it
down and turn it in. Yeah, he's an Illinois guy,
you know, Yeah, yeah, huh. And you know you know
what's what's the coach's name?

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, they called it a trap draw, right is.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Knock it down, turning in. It's a drill that we
had with Steve. It's what he'll do when he's choking
to death, That's what he'll do. What's the coach's name?
Take you back a little bit to the AMFAM tournament.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
This is right here, Dennis. Can we go to the
John Deere Classic. Apparently there's a new person running it.
They'll be there at least through I think it's twenty thirty.
So there was some thought at one point that that
tournament may not exist anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I didn't know that John Deere's that's.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
The point they said they were making the commitment to
the community, or yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Know, we're good through that. Where are you going to
find a guy that's gonna like they do? I don't
know what you come up with three million bucks just
to have the event. Plus everybody comes there for a while.
It's got a great history. They do get some good
players there. It's a great community project, you know, no
different than here. The big winner here was Children's Hospital.

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That's why we did it.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
How about the concern of the condition of the golf course.
It looked a little rough down there, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, you know you know how ours turned out here
after we got done. We tried to maintain it the
same way we did for the tournament, and with one
hundred degree temperature and that short cutting and stuff like that,
we experienced the same thing. Now we rally. Do we
did it right, but now next year we will do
the erification and that process to get it back right

(03:28):
away the week after the week after the turn. Yeah,
and it will not be cut at twelve or thirteen
for a tim stimspeed do otherwise you lose it, so
you have to really really be on it. But you
could see that it was stressed.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So let me ask you about there was an amateur
that won on the English and English golfer Lottie Woade,
twenty one years old, won the Irish Open by six
shots over Madeleine Seikstrom, who we're going to have on
a show here right in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, she had done some work here in practice. Here
she's the English golfer A Lottie Woad twenty one years
old that won as an amateur is the first in
three years as an amateur on the men's side of
the PGA Tour. The last amateur was Nick Dunlop. He
won in January twenty twenty four in the American Express.
Prior to him, the last am was Phil Mickelson back

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in nineteen ninety one. Are the days of Amateurs? I
asked the question and I just said Nick Dunlop won
last year. But are the days of amateurs competing in
and winning tour events? Is that day come and gone?
It was more common in your era.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, no such thing as an amateur. Okay, if you
take golf balls or bags or now they raise the
rates so you can take so much. So it's always
a compromise.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Ure.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
What's going on? But what's going on in this amateur thing?
I mean I just had a We just had a
young lady play here today. She shut six under amateur player.
You know, I look at and we just had this
one fellow, my Larry teach him, trying to think of
his name, and they played an event someplace up here

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in Milwaukee. And this guy was supposed to be a
good player, good pro. This guy beat him by six shots,
this amateur. So you've got these young guys that they
are conditioned and that's all they do is play golf. Sure,
you know, really, is there such a thing as an amateur? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Other than not taking the purse, right, that's the difference
is they're not taking the wine.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
They give first, so they give the purse to their
uncle or give the purse to somebody else. You know
that stuff has gone on forever. And I told you
the story about this one kid that I tried to
recruit from up in Painsville, Ohio, and one of the
players on my team was from that same high school.
So when we were at Ohio State, I went up
to recruit him and we got in the car after

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we got all done, he says, Coach, that guy really
liked you. He's you know. I said, well, then he'll
come to Wisconsin. No, I don't think so. He got
ten thousand dollars in the shoe from Oklahoma State. So
this stuff is going on well forever. You know that
shouldn't even know about. How do some of these people
out there wind up with a brand new John Dee tractor?
What do you think? Sure, two three hundred thousand dollars

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and a guy can afford come out.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, I want to go back to a previous part
of the conversation on Mike Small.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
No, I don't want to leave that.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm just saying I want to go back to a
previous conversation. What makes a good golf coach? You did it,
and you had success for a bunch of years here
at the University of Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And some would look at it as teaching, but I
have a feeling that you might look at it as
a combination of a number of things.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
What makes for a good college golf coach.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
After you get going, of course you'll recruit some people here.
But now he's really dedicated this. Now he wins. People
want to be part of a winning team, and the
biggest recruiter that you have is a player from your team. Sure,
and that's what he's got going. He's got that momentum going,
you know. I know we use the Steve a little
bit as being there and that sort of stuff, but

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you know, there's a trust that has to exist between
the coach and the player. It takes seems like it
takes forever to get that takes you two seconds to
lose it. Just do something funky, especially on the on
the women's end. So and then and then production. Now,
the other part is is that he has a very
regimented go ahead. He's training people to go on to

(07:20):
the tour or another. So he has a very disciplined,
uh workout program six seven o'clock in the morning. And
then there's so much this and this golf is number one. Yeah,
we were a little bit different here.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
You know, Yeah, because you coach both the men and
the women.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, there's a whole different story, two different There
are two different types of people, sure way too. The
women are so much better for some more supple, better concentration, better, uh,
better at everything except hand strength. So what we did
is we got the hand strength. You know, get the
get the racket ball with the string and it put

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it on the just put it on their screen. Direction,
grip pressure, yeah right, and squeeze that. So you know,
but in his particular case, one, he can beat every
He's a good player, that's number one. So when he
walks out there and he starts talking about things, he
can play the game. And that's no different than when
I played with these guys or they were good, but
I didn't understand how you could shoot so high. We'd

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go to Ohio State, I use their club and never
hit a driver, shoot seventy and beat everyone. Yeah, all
of a sudden, they get the idea about playing golf
versus hit.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
You can do it, and they understand your acumen in
the game because that's different than other sports, right, I mean,
if you're a great basketball coach, doesn't mean that you
have to have played or I look at Kelly Sheffield,
the University of Wisconsin women's volleyball coach. Some people don't
know this. He never played, never played the game, and

(08:51):
learned to be a coach. And I always think this
about great coaches, whether it was Dick Bennett or Bo
Ryan or Kelly Sheffield. In this case, Mark Johnson could
coach anything. I think a really good coach can coach
any sport. But in golf maybe it's a little bit
different because.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
The coach in Indiana a good one. Oh he was
a six man on a team.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
He never didn't start.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
What about that.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, So there's things that they have and things that
they can do to produce the winner. They know what
has to be done, even though they couldn't do it,
you know, and my case, obviously we could do it.
They listen to what we have to say that they
can listen to anybody else, but Dallas, you know, come
back to what's what's going on here?

Speaker 6 (09:33):
But you got to win.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Sure, that's what the deal is, that you gotta win
the way you coached in the days when you coach
the men and the women, with today's athlete would that
work today, that style of coaching or is there a difference.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, they're all over here. I mean I got some
of the same guys here. This is where they come
because of what you know over time now about golf.
But you know, the disciplines are there. I look at
some of the guys here that come here that are
from Wisconsin now that are going to other places. People
who shoot, you know, fifty nine seventeen years old. I

(10:10):
mean really, well we have. We've had him since ninth grade.
He doesn't know any other way, but the good fundamentals. Yeah,
he doesn't know nothing else. I just saw him again today,
is you know, he doesn't know any other way to
hold it or any other way to make roofs. So
all of a sudden they get bigger. Now. What I
did notice, however, is the players burn out faster today.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Sure, you know, is that because of the how far
they're hitting the ball and the type of swing they have,
and then.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
How much they have to play.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
That's it. How much they're competing. They're off and running
and you know, I don't know, this is not this
is not worth it. The other side is these kids
are graduating from from school with you know, potential high
paying jobs. Wait a minute, now, I'm going to go
over here and try to compete golf wise. So I'll
do this for a while, get this on my resume,

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and then from the women's end, by the time they're
thirty thirty one, that maternal instinct takes over and they're
going to do something else. I look at them and
some of the foreign players when they get to be
twenty two, twenty three years old, they're done. Yeah, because
they've been doing this stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
We've see teenager you sports all over the place now
because of sports specialization, that's it they get. They get
burnt out earlier in sometimes it's late teens or early twenties.
But either way, all right, so this makes me a
little nervous. But I'm gonna ask you anyway. You brought
up Bobby Knight. Yeah, you got any story time on
Bobby Knight. I'm sure that your paths crossed because Bobby,

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although you like to fish and hunt more, he did
like to be around a golf course.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I have a lot of them, Okay, because we've done
it well, can I went, I don't know. I went
to watch him. You know that he liked to hunt. Yeah,
and He did a lot of hunting with my friends
Jim Elmer, Lemon Okay, and remember when he got shot
and then when he came to the university out to
the fieldhouse, they were all dressed in orange. That's him

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or my good friend the coach at the same time,
Sam Carmichael was his coach. Yeah, and he was telling
me about give it because he would teach Bob Knight.
So they got in a sand trap. Bob Knight got
in a sand trap and never stopped talking. He did
all the coaching, but then he would turn around and
he would give Sam, I don't know, fifty thousand for

(12:31):
a Christmas pressure every Christmas, right.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I've seen there's a YouTube video that's out there of
Bobby Knight for his TV show hitting trying to hit
a bunker shot.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Oh, he's funny, He's terrible.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
They're all the outtakes. Oh you know of him, you know,
swearing and doing all the stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
You're not So you went to watch him play when
he was coaching the Olympic team. Sure, And so I
was standing there and there's two of us, Doug Balman
and I. Doug was and assistant was standing there and
he was out on the floor, and all of a
sudden he looks up. He says, who are those guys
way up there? And I just waved at him. So
he went on and then all of a sudden he

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was turning. You know, he was had one leg crossed.
He was watching the basketball. So all of a sudden
he got up and he went out to the referee
because they had referees when they were doing that, and
he grabbed the referee's hand and he kept slapping his hand.
He said, this is a fuzzle. And then I was
trying to think of the big time center. Uh, he's

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on TV all the time.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well Bill Walton, who passed away. You're looking at somebody
thinking it's very popular guy.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
He's out a big, big center of and oh come on, shack,
uh shack.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
No, okay, a little older okay.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Anyway, he was sitting in a chair with his leg crossed,
watching the game. And I saw this guy coming out
of the locker room walking walk and walk away and
sat down and right next to Night he was talking
and all of the Sunday says, what the hell are
you talking about? Get out of here, and he kicked
them out. He's that way, you know, no doubt.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Do you want to hear another Bobby Knight's story, I've
got here, yeah, oh boy. Nineteen eighty three or nineteen
eighty four, when I was on Channel fifteen, Indiana was
coming to town to play basketball. We worked at their
sid and set up an interview at the fieldhouse the
day they were practicing before the game. Yes, ID sports
information director said, you, guys, the camera guy go into

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the building, go to the opposite end where they're shooting
free throws, set up, and then go back out of
the building and we'll come and get you.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
So we set up, and then he came out and
he got us. And we're sitting there, two chairs, one
in each direction, and Bobby Knight's at the free throw
line watching his guys shoot.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Bartes Yeah, looks.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Over and glances a couple of times, and all of
a sudden, he comes and he sits down in the
chair opposite me. Yeah, And he looked at me and
he says, what the hell does a guy your size
and above basketball?

Speaker 6 (15:08):
That was his opening line.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
That was it, huh. But he stayed and he did
the end.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
I folded like a cheap suit.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Oh. I asked about three or four questions and the
interview was over. Now twenty years later he'd got a
different answer.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
The sid said he was actually in a very good
move and he was challenging you, and he said, if
you would have responded, he may have sat there for
a half all sure.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, he was I think toughness like toughness there. He
enjoyed it when people stood it.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
He just caught me right.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, not too many years later, and then we'll take
a break because Gary Demato was coming up next. Not
too many years later. I did the same thing, but
it was in a group interview at the Fieldhouse. Yeah,
and a mutual at the time. Van Stout had asked
maybe the second question, and that was the end of
the interview because Bobby Knight didn't like the phrasing and

(15:59):
said that's it. I'm done and walked away and that
was the end. That's what you got from. Sometimes you
got it, sometimes you didn't. Gary Demato is going to
join us on the other side. We'll visit with the
longtime golf writer and the former president of the National
Golf Writers Association. He's due next. As we continue talking
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Speaker 2 (19:27):
Back with you, It is Talking Golf, Mike Heller, Paul Brown,
Dennis Dizziani, and we welcome in Gary Demato, who is
a regular on this program.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
You're lucky to have him, Happy to have you on.

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Speaker 2 (19:37):
You know, Gary, I was talking earlier on the show
about the English golfer Lottie Woade, who won on the
European Ladies Tour. She's twenty one years old and she
won as an amateur. What I failed to mention is
that the last or not the last, but one of
the great stories of an amateur was Lydia Coe who
won in twenty twelve on the LPGA Tour. She was

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only fifteen year od old, and she went again in
twenty thirteen when she was sixteen. I just wonder in
the Times that you have covered the sport, the young
amateurs that you've covered.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Who are some of those maybe that stood out?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
And we were talking earlier about amateurs not winning on
the PGA Tour, but Nick Dunlop did a year ago
in the American Express, and the last one was Phil
Mickelson prior to that in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 14 (20:24):
Yeah, I remember Lydia. I remember Lydia Cole very well.
When she came to a Black bol Front in twenty
twelve for the US Women's Opened. She was I'm not
sure at that point if she had won already or
if she was going to win later in the season,
but I interviewed her there because she was sort of
a sensation. She had, you know, come to America from
her native country of New Zealand, and you know, had

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the big glasses on and just a precocist, you know,
young teenager who would go on to set the LPGA
tour on fire basically, and you know it's still playing
well all these years later. You know, the one person
I thought, you know, was going to make it for sure,
and I know Dennis worked with him for a while
was Jordan Kniebrugi from Mekwan, who had that twenty thirteen

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season when he basically went everything he entered, and you know,
a couple of years later he finished tied for sixth
in the British Open. And I'm kind of surprised that
we haven't seen his name you know on the PGA
tour by now.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Boy, are you waiting for a comment, Well, I'm just
curious we've had.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
He was a very discussions, very exceptional player, and you know,
we spent a lot of time together and he did
everything right. He was common and dominated by his dad.
You get a guy like that, somehow or other, he's
going to take off. And of course then he got
a girlfriend and stuff. But even still he played really good.

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In fact, I asked him, I told you know, I'll
continue doing this, but you have to finish school. Oklahoma State.
You have to finish school. And he looked at me
and he says, not if I win the Open. That
was just before he went out play in the open.
Not if I win the open. It wasn't going to
finish school. But he's right about that. But I think

(22:14):
that you'll hear about him again. He'll come to his
senses before too long. Yeah, And uh, I think he
moved back. I think he moved back to he moved
back to Milwaukee. He's with some other guy.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Wasn't he with Marquette? Didn't he start coaching Gary with
Marquette or did he volunteer for a while.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
He might have but he was with some other guy
because they wanted to have some kind of a tour,
which is like a third leg tour. Sure, and do
that here in Wisconsin. So he still has that drive
to do. But you'll hear about him again.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Gary, let me let me revisit a topic that we've
talked about a couple of times. But as we get
deeper now than the final major championship of the season
will be the Open at Royal Portrush a week and
a half from now, but we're also then going to
inch up on the Ryder Cup, and there's been no
resolution or no conversation from Keegan Bradley as to what

(23:07):
he will do. He is currently ninth in the point standings.
The top six make it automatically and then after that
you get captain's selections.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Has your opinion on this changed at all?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
And don't you think at some leve at some point
Keegan Bradley ought to make some proclamation or an announcement
that he will or will not make himself eligible as
a potential playing captain.

Speaker 14 (23:33):
Well, yeah, I think he does have to say something
about that pretty quickly here. I mean, the Ryder Cup's coming,
you know, fairly two months away at this point, So yeah,
I think he should make some sort of announcement soon.
In my opinion, hasn't changed love. I love Keegan's you know,
spirit and his passion as it relates, especially for the
Ryder Cup. But I don't in my opinion, just my opinion,

(23:55):
I don't think he should be a playing captain. I
think it's there's too many things that do now for
the captain, and I know he's got assistance that can
help with everything, but it's such a pressure laden spot
and should they go over there and get hammered and
he plays, you know, what's the what's the story going
to be? You know, he shouldn't have been playing captain.
It cost them, you know, the Ryder Cup. That's what

(24:17):
the That's what the story is going to be. So
I think he should stick to just being a captain
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
By the way, that the top six right now are
Scottie Scheffler, Xander Softley, JJ Spawn Russell Henley, Bryce and De'shambo.
Justin Thomas did any issue with Deshamba being on the
US Ryder Cup team.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Well, you know, I don't have really an issue for
all those guys because it's golf, and I could really
care less. All I know is that there were things
done behind the scenes that had nothing to do with
anything except for the money. Yeah, you know there. You know,
I think people you know will continue to watch golf,
but I'm having a hard time watching it. I don't
know half of the people that's on there, sure, so

(24:55):
it's hard to do that. Yet, when I look at
the scores, holy man, they're better than what they were before. Sure.
Now back on that amage, let me mention about that
ah amter thing is that it's such a closed shop,
the PGA tour. Yeah, all those tours are such closed
shops that it's difficult other than by invitation to get in.

(25:17):
If there was more of an open qualifying that these
diamateurs could play in. Because they're playing all the time,
a lot of them don't have family commitments. Money's not
the object. Hey wow, Yeah, so you know there'd be
more of that.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Gary, let me ask you a question, Tis, I would
love to get your thoughts on this as well. Gary,
you brought up off the air, he said, let's maybe
talk about the new private club that's going to be
built in ashepin, this industry has gone back and forth.
There was a golf boom in the late nineteen eighties,
early nineteen nineties, and then the game's suppressed. I mean
maybe they overbuilt. And now we seem gary to be

(25:55):
in an era in which we're seeing again the more
explosion in golf development. We see all of the work
done at Sand Valley, and now there's that new private
club near Ashappen that Karl Meyer is involved with.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Tell me what you know about that?

Speaker 14 (26:11):
Well, yeah, actually, yeah, Carl Meyer, that was a different story,
but okay, yeah, but who's involved in that? In this
private club that's being proposed for Ashappen. The course will
be called Kettle Forge. It'll be a private club, and
the principals are Bill Koobley. He's a Monroe native. Not

(26:32):
sure if Dennis might know him, but he runs Landscapes Unlimited,
the biggest golf course developer and construction company in the
world basically. And Bill came back and was working with
Bob Lang on Bob Lang's project to try to build
a public course in town of Summit and wound up
having some philosophical differences with Bob and broke off and

(26:53):
found some different land near Ashapin and Brett Craig, who
former president of Transitions out to a guy who lives
in Delafield. Those two guys, Koobley and Brett Craig are
going to develop this high high, high end private club
near Ashipin. They're having a guy named Scott Hoffman. She'll
be the lead architect. But and maybe they'll want to

(27:14):
ask Steve about this when he comes on. They brought
in Steve Stricker as a player consultant. So I don't
know where all the money's coming from to build all
these golf courses, but it seems to be out there.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Just let me ask you, then, is the golf course
like these things that we're talking about. Is it economy driven?
Is it the growth of this game, the combination of
those It's.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Real estate around it to sell the real estate around it.
Then the out, because there has to be an out.
The out is then you sell the course to the membership.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Sure, that's the out.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
But in the meantime we have the person doing here
doing what's the name of our course here?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
No, No, the business overhead Hawks Landing. Oh sure you're
going to build another course now?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Out further west cross plaines out that area. And you know,
so it's on so many but now it's six hundred lots.
Well that's the.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
I sell the lotside.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's right the home site. So a lot of these
guys are developers. You know. You take a look at
the courses in Madison, Wisconsin. How many of these courses
are moved by lots.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Sure, well all of them.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
When you talk about Bishops and Bergamont and all of
the outer you know, Okay, it happened years ago about.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Old time courses. That happens. So that's the thing of
getting people involved. They're going to build this course, this
ultra private course now that's near Milwaukee that this course
is talking about. I think there's any private courses in Milwaukee, Dennis.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Do you see Steve doing things like that and in
a role like that where he's a player consultant. I
think that he's going to be asked about it because
he has that vision, that good thing. That's why we
had him here to give us some things. And some
of the two weeks that he made really superseded that
business of the developer that we had who does courses
all over the world. So he's really good at what

(29:07):
he does. You know the fact that you know, they
get onto somebody like him, that's strictly a play for his.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Connection, right, Yeah, and that's okay. I mean, I think
it's great that he has that opportunity to look towards
something like that, that's something that interests him.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Gary, let me I'm sorry, Paul, Gary, let me see
you up on the Karl Meyer because I misunderstood your text.
But to fill me in on what that storyline is.

Speaker 14 (29:36):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of great charitable causes
and events that happen in golf. We all know how
much money golf hrases for charity, not only on the
tour levels, but you know, you go down to the
all the mom and pop courses around the state and
around the nation really have charitable events, you know, on
their calendar, dominating the summer calendar. But a guy named

(29:57):
Karl Meyer plays Tunika Country Club on the fourth of
July every year. He's done it for eighteen straight years.
He plays one hundred holes. He's a member there. He's
off at you know, at dawn, play's till dusk, plays
one hundred holes and single handedly raises money for a
charity called Higher Heroes USA, which places military veterans and

(30:17):
their spouses, helps them gain employment after their military services done,
prepares them for civilian jobs. And Carrol did it again
this past fourth of July, and over the eighteen years
he's raised all by himself one point nine million dollars
for Higher Heroes UF. I think's just phenomenal story, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Oh? My god? Really, it is incredible.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
We've talked to we just talked a week ago or
so about how this game is a great giveback game.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
We're doing it with Derek a week ago.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, woy, what an incredible story. And you have that
in at Wisconsin Dot Golf. Did you guys put something
together there here?

Speaker 14 (30:55):
Yeah, it's in my sweet Spot column which posts on
Mondays and posted earlier today on our our website, along
with the story I did on Kettle Forge the new
private club.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Sure Gary, have you ever covered the Open in all
of your years of coverage of golf? And if you did,
what was that experience?

Speaker 14 (31:12):
Like I did? I covered the Open twice back when
I was at the Journal Sentinel and the paper was
spending money.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Hand over fit years ago.

Speaker 14 (31:23):
Years ago. I covered two thousand and four at Troon
where Todd Hamilton won, and then the next year five
Nicholas's last Open championship and the one that Tiger Woods
won in that great season he had in five at
that was at the Old Course. And what I remember
about the Royal suon was Skip Kendall, our good buddy.

(31:46):
Skip Kennel from Fox Point was I think either in
the lead or the co leader for thirty six holes,
and I thought, man, the Journal Center finally sends me
an Open championship, and Skip Kendl was gonna win. But
he did not hold on the wind. He had a greed.
I think he finished like in the top fisteena that
one of his better, one of his better major championship finishes.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
You have fun times over there, good stuff, Gary Dematto.
We always appreciate the time to spend with us. I
hope the rest of the week is great and we'll
look forward to visiting again next Thanks so much, Keke.
Gary Demotto joins us weekly on the program. We got
a little lesson conversation.

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A plan that you have to have, and we'll we'll
dive into what the guy next to us understands about
having a plan when you go to practice. You have
a plan when you practice everything else. Why wouldn't you
when it comes to golf. We'll visit on that conversation
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Back on Talking Golf along with Mike Keller Dennis Dizziani.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
I'm Paul Brown and Dennis.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
There's a very intry articles in Golf Digs, the latest edition,
and they're talking about the practice range and how things
are changing. Because basically the article says that most golfers
go up there, they hit a bucket of balls, they
get some sense of accomplishment on something that they might

(36:20):
be doing better that will make them have better scores
than those kinds of things. But really the bottom line
is that probably a majority of people who go to
the range don't have a clue what they're doing other
than just hitting balls.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
Would you agree with that? True?

Speaker 3 (36:37):
That's what's happened. Look at the areas that we are
go to China or Japan, that's all they do is
do the range. There's not that's all they do is
do the golf. That's what's happening here. There's no golf
holes at some of the indoor facilities that I see
now they just hit balls.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
So how does that player they talk about they need
training on getting an accurate seine of what the problem
is and what's the solution.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
How do you go about doing.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Why don't you find somebody who knows something about golf?
And that's an issue that we've got. So many of
the PGA that we have now are really credit card collectors.
There's very few that I see that are players and teachers.
And that's what a PGA player used to be a

(37:25):
good player and a good teacher. And I think you
have to be a better than average player in order
to be a teacher. You have to learn the fundamentals,
and then you teach those fundamentals. Now there's so many
of those, and it can be complicated and stuff I had.
Some people aren't going to dive into it that way.
They're going to go there for the exercise, get the pizza,
get the beer, and it's another day. I hit balls,

(37:47):
and I hit them all over the yard. They're picking
balls up off of the interstate up here.

Speaker 8 (37:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
So, and there's a totally different level of the golf ranges,
which are you know, top golf and pin seekers, which
is in Madison and there is a market for that,
and that is an entertainment like going to a bowling
out absolutely to all which grows the game a little bit.
But in order to get better when you go to

(38:13):
a range, there has to be a plan.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Well, you have to be fundamentally correct. Unfortunately, this game
is complicated, right sure, and people aren't going to go
through it. And in the teaching process, how can I
make this uncomplicated? So so our deal is we do
a little bit a lot of times rather than standard
for one hour and take a lesson and you leave

(38:36):
there confused, especially in a female end. It's a little bit.
You teach them about how to hold the club. Okay,
then you go block this. You're talking about how does
this work? Hands are different than the core. The core
has five radial torque pieces to it. Radial torque is distance.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I lose you guys yet not yet?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, okay, I have of those things. Yeah. The guy says,
oh what the hell is that now?

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
It's left ankle, hips, backs and abs, shoulders, left arm.
Those are the twisters. Those are the radio torque pieces
and you get those all together. How does this work?
So there we go, But you have to learn that
part of it. And some of the young people that
we have are good because they got it. They know

(39:26):
every one of those things. Now we train them to
be their own best teacher. So when you're out there
playing golf, which is different in hitting and things aren't right,
and because metabolism rate changes every day, it's different, you
better know what you're doing and what's causing. So we
have a thing that we call shape and trajectory and path.

(39:47):
Oh really, yeah. Shape and trajectory is in your hands.
If it's going crooked left or right with a big curve,
it's in your hands. Path is a relationship of your
shoulders to the line of impact your footwork. Now you know,
I know I lost ninety percent of who we talk
to him, right, But you got to go through that
and then all of a sudden, Oh, people are not stupid,

(40:09):
you know, but they have to have a little bit
of confidence that who's telling them what to do, they're
going to do it. Yeah, and it's going to take time. Now,
the beauty part about this game is exactly that it
takes time, so you'll never stop learning.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Mike, you mentioned the facilities, and.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
They're very well equipped launch monitors. They have more information
on how to swing, how the ball reacts, how to
react to that, and that kind of thing. But what
it says is that doesn't account for golfers tendencies, and
they read what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Well, it's what's the ball do? What's your ball doing?
Is it hooking? Is it's license it to the right
or to the left. And there's reasons for that in
the golf swing. You know, either your your arms in
your your your hands, or the club that's moving faster
than your turn. They're really only is one one conscious
move in the golf swing. You have to make only

(41:05):
one shoulder that's it. Oh, well, you've been hanging over
with me and hanging around with me too. It's your
upper left quadrant.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
That's for you upper right.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Well, yeah, don't he gets it. Upper left that has
to start to turn. That's the first seven vertebrae down.
That shoulder turn starts the action. If you keep on turning,
then your pecks and abs turn, And if you keep
on turning, then you're finally going to get your hip
to turn. Those are all resistors because on the way

(41:35):
to the other way, going back to the left, you
want your pecks and abs to go through before your shoulders.
I want arm speed. Last I knew my arms were
hooked up to my shoulders. Right. That's but ninety of
the people whoever they start their core moves together. Hips, pecks,
and abs and shoulders all move at the same time.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
So don't get mad at me on this question. All right,
I'm going to preface it. Does it change? Do you
have to teach older differently?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I mean if you're teaching somebody that's nineteen years old,
you're going to teach them a little bit different on
what moves and how it can move and how far
it can move. Then you do this somebody that's sixty one, but.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
They're not going to shoot sixty five. Yeah, so what
are you happy with? Correct, let's get down to that point.
If you get a guy who's eighty five or better,
he loves he loves it. So we have to do
some things. Okay, So we have to I can't turn
this hurts. That hurts. So you build things, and that's teaching.
You build things in here. Now, if you keep doing

(42:34):
the same bad things over and over and over and
over and over again, doing consistency, chances are to be
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Do the same bad thing, bad things as long as
you're consistent.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Because we see people right that will set up to
hit the ball twenty degrees left of the fairway and
they then play that fade back into the fairway. Or
my friend that I have who plays with a closed
dance and sets up to hit it over there when
he's going to hit it to the left of that
target by quite a bit right. And if you're consistent
with it, you can play with it. Not all the time, right,

(43:07):
but you can you can survive it.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
I have those type all the time. They play with
the grip. You know, it's so far out of whack,
it's unreal, right, but they've got they've devised a way
how to change their plane on the way down and
how to go ahead and hold on to it in
the strike zone, so they can play a little bit
and they get occasionally they get that shot that gets
the back or that tol they get them back. But
when you're dealing with a youngster starting out, you're teaching

(43:32):
them all those right fundamentals and he gets to understand
what's going on. I mean, the players that we have
here are some of these young guys, you know, I mean,
you know one boy shot fifty nine. Now you didn't
shoot fifty nine because you were playing with the bad
everything good everything, And we have other ones too. And
what's really good is you can it picks this up

(43:54):
better than anybody. Is the women, the young girls, yeah,
you know, and they are strong in the right place,
you know.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
The fable between the ears sometimes, well.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
They're strong between the ears. But they got the glutes,
you know that, And that's the thing you get to use.
See you can use your feet then how to play.
So those are all things. Would you say the guy said,
well you got to use your feet like shooting a
free throw, you know, blows their mind. You But you know,
there are those people that are committed and they'll also
do go upstairs. We have a guy right here goes upstairs.

(44:26):
He picked up what seven or eight miles per hour? Yeah,
at least twenty yards picked up seven miles on his
club at speed. It can be done. But that's a commitment.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
But on the other side of it there, I think
everybody that plays the game, for the most part, they
want to improve. But what you're saying is where do
they go and how do they get that? Because quite frankly,
the industry may not have enough people that are good
at giving quality instruction and really understand what's going on.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
How do you handle that? Where do you go?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
You got to find somebody, somebody who does it. There
are people who are really good at what we do, right,
but you know, oh boy, you know their prices are
getting up to one hundred and fifty bucks two hundred
bucks an hour. It's when I first started out, it
was thirty five bucks. That's it. Well, yeah, people, you
know it was so bad that my blue pants used

(45:20):
to be faded. I was out there for so much.
But now they're not going to not go to invest
or the easier way. Let's buy a club. Sure, that's
the solution for a lot of Let's buy a club.
Let's go and do this here and well in the
industry has embraced that.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
The industry makes a lot of money off of those
who think that the game gets better only with equipment.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Well, I have people who call. Obviously I teach, still teach,
but if there's no commitment there, then I don't really
want to do that.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, And I would go back to what you were
saying earlier, Paul, And that last question is that if
there aren't enough good tea. I think most people, not all,
but most people are unwilling to invest in the lesson
correct And you're not going to this, you know, reiterate.
I've spent too much time around Dennis. If you don't
start with the fundamentals, you can't get home.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
You have some good people in this city. Sure, we
had Mike, uh.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Last weekend.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
There's a young fellow, I don't know how young is anymore.
He's fits clubs over at Joel's place.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Yeah, VI tense and that Nevada Bob's.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
There's some good people out there, you know. Uh, and
there are some better ones. You know. It all depends
what you want to do. And some people don't relate.
I mean, not everybody wants to take a lesson from me,
are you sure?

Speaker 12 (46:38):
Kid?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
And I wouldn't take a lesson from either, But some
of them will come there.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
He has a unique style, folks.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, well but here, Here's what I would say, is
that Dennis's style. Every time I've watched it's very positive.
It doesn't some coaches can occasionally get negative. Dennis is
He's a positive reinforcement teacher. When something good happens and
I watched and teach Jackson my son a little bit,
and Dennis has helped me. And when something good happens,

(47:06):
the smile and the laughter coming from this guy is
a positive reinforcement.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Oh, you have to have an outcome. There has to
be a result, and we can't take forever to get
the result. Put this there. So then you start working backwards,
all the way back, giving him a hand drill, giving
him a foot drill. Well, I didn't know that. I
didn't know. That's all of a sudden. They can incorporate
all you switch it around and you incorporate so that
you meld your hand AGGX with your core because that's

(47:31):
the deal. You know, those are the two items that
you have this.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
So it's so deep and so complicated and also so
invigorating and fun. I mean, when you take a lesson
to find you know, you might only hit twenty percent
of those shots that you wanted to hit, but those
twenty percent, yeah, brings you. Gives you the hope and
the idea that if I could just do that more consistently,
And when you do it the right way, then you

(47:56):
go shoot, well, I can do that. I can find
my way to do that more often come.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
In to get their mug club, you know. And the
guy says, you know, I burdied sixteen and I birdied eighteen,
or I did this, or I did that. He's got
a smile from ear to ear.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Yeah, Wow, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
That's the payment.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Pretty good right there, that's the payment.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
He saw something very interesting. We talk about distances on
the scramble here. On the fourth of July, in our group,
we had a five person scramble.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Yeah, on number two what is it for eighty?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:26):
About we had one hundred and fifty six yards to
the pin on our second shot. Three of us scope
to thinking, No, it can't be that close. It was close,
one hundred and fifty six yards.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Well it's your t shot.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
No, no, I was probably about one hundred yards back from.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
That two shots.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
But I mean it is incredible what some people are
the distance, asserting.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
The calf both. My young guy, I tell you said
he was really upset I lost the long drive contest.
I said, you did. Yep, I lost by the yard,
and I'm really pissed off. He says, you know about
that right now? Nice, Well, how far as you hit it?
He says, three forty says okay, three forty six, Well,
are you kidding me?

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the winning team of Darren Clark and Thomas Bjorn. The
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securing the team title with a final round score of
seven under sixty four. Mark your calendars for the twenty

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twenty six American Family Insurance Championship, which returns to TPC
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Speaker 5 (52:22):
Back on talking golf along with Mike Huller, Dennis Isi,
Yanni Claul around here. Dennis forgot about a minute and
a half. Well, in terms of getting better and playing golf,
putting is an integral part of it. How about avoiding
the three putt? What's the key to doing that?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Well? You have to control distance. If in fact you're
breaking the putter, breaking your wrists and hitting the ball.
If you're hitting the putt from behind, hitting it and
you can hear the sound, you'll never control the distance,
and in a tight situation it'll be a flimsy You
have to be able to roll the ball. In other words,
put the putter on the back of the ball, and

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it's the forward movement of the putter. Now, I'll tell
you what. There's a drill. You take your ball, take
it about three or four feet from the hole. Put
your putter down behind the ball. Now just move the
potter head forward. You move the putter head forward, and
you'll notice that when you do that, the heel will
go first and the ball will have a tendency to

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feel like it rolls off the toe, top rolls off
the toe. So roll the ball. Keep doing that. Roll
the ball, not hit the ball. Hitting the ball, doesn't
get it, and then it happens. Sometimes have a bad
grip left hand, the right hand's on wrong. You got
to get those on straight. But it's when you bend
the putter back with your hands and then you hit

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it with your hands. No, no wrist break to the right.
That particular angle that your right wrist is in never change.
It stays the same.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
It's interesting because and we don't have time for this,
but and I think we've had this conversation in the
past that it used to be different. We used to
watch many many players who would do it, would be
very handsy in the way they put it. Because the
greens were a lot slower. You had to hit the ball,
had to hit the ball. Now you don't have to
just because the green speeds.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Oh, you'd have to know the way back when you'd
have to have about a four foot back sea and
then have it a role.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Next week, I think Steve Strucker will join us.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
We had a well, he'll be on next week is
the plan now we figured that part out, okay, and
then we'll be talking about the Open.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Championship later on.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
That way, we're gonna have a busy next Monday. Thanks
for being here this Monday. We'll talk to you again
next week talking golf at TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 10 (54:42):
Thank you, Wisconsin for supporting the twenty twenty five American
Family Insurance Championship. This year's events debuted a new team
competition and a new location at TPC Wisconsin. Congratulations to
the winning team of Darren Clark and Thomas Bjorn.

Speaker 8 (54:55):
The pair shot thirty two under.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
Over the fifty four whole event, securing the team title
with a final round score of seven under sixty four.
Mark your calendars for the twenty twenty six American Family
Insurance Championship, which returns to TPC Wisconsin June fifth through
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