Talking Golf 07-28-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin is on the air. Talking
Golf is brought to you by American Family Insurance, Oak
Park Place, Wild Rock Golf Club, Mercedes Benz of Madison, TPC,
Wisconsin University, Ridge Golf Course, Ridge Top Exteriors, Southern Italy
Imports and Novada Bob's Now here's your foursome for Talking Golf.

(00:27):
Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin Broadcaster hall
of Famer Paul Brown, Wisconsin Premier golf reporter Gary Demato
and host of his daily statewide sports talk show, Mike Keller.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And we welcome you in. It's Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin.
We're running out of dates. I mean, I think after
tonight we'll only have three Monday night shows on the season,
and then we have to talk to the boss to
see if we get renewed for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Don't bring that up yet, she's got three weeks to
think of.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Three weeks on our way out. So you can see
on the on the panel that I We've got Nicki
Stricker in person and to open the show, and she
asked me what we were talking about. I told her
I wouldn't tell her till we were live. So welcome in.
We appreciate having you here, absolutely. Thanks for having Gary.
Tomato will join us in about fifteen minutes or so,
and then Vince Siegel and I want to make sure

(01:21):
I pronounced his last name properly. He's seventeen years old.
He won the State Am a week ago, the youngest
player in the modern era. I don't know how they
define the modern era after tis, I don't know, is
that what it is. So he's going to join us
at half past the hour. So one of the things
we did want to talk to you about is family.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Going to be able to cut into Gary's time on this?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah? Probably, Okay, I knew you'd appreciate that. I want
to talk about family golf, and we can talk to
both of you about it because you've done it right.
I mean you you were a parent of kids that
played and now you're a player and turned into a
parent of kids that played, and your husband played, and
I just wonder, like in the last year things have
changed so dramatically with is he leaving to play college

(02:06):
golf and Steven injury front, You're continuing to play, Bobby
trying to make it in her world. How challenging is
the juggle and to keep things in some perspective.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Ah, you know, I think it's everybody kind of getting
to their place. The girls, you know, kind of doing
what they're doing because they want to do it.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
I don't feel that I'm juggling my time as much.
I feel I've gotten an opportunity to get back into
it because I haven't had to do that. I'm available
for them. But it's also, you know, an opportunity to
give them to make it their own. You know, they're

(02:52):
they're carrying on obviously a little bit of a tradition
in playing, but they need to find a way to
make that their own. And that's kind of been the
biggest thing I think that Steve and I, you know,
we've talked about quite a lot. You know, they're in
a situation where, you know, they have a whole bunch

(03:14):
of resources, and in that, I think making them mindful
that you have a lot of information, take that information
and again make it yours.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Talking with Nicki. Nicki Stricker joins us off the top
of the show. A week ago. Out of the gate,
we played Scotti Scheffler's comments from the Open Championship, both
some of the sentiment that he put out there before
the tournament and after, and it's perspective. And I'm curious
in your world, how did you learn to not define
who you are by what you do on the golf course?

(03:46):
Because so many of us are defined or sometimes feel
like we're defined by what we do as a profession.
And you are a golfer, your husband's a golfer, your
kids are golfers. How do you is that part of
the process is to not define your by what happens
on the course.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Absolutely, and it's something that you know, I've I still
struggle with, you know that that comparison to just in
my household to go out and what is successful for
me and and I think this game is is tough,
and I've talked to my brother you know about it too,

(04:24):
where it can beat you up because there's not It
depends on how you define success. And I think you
know the mental part where I can go out and
at the end of eighteen holes, no matter what, be
eighteen proud. I have a friend that came up with
that and it it because it because it can't it

(04:45):
can't beat you up. And to find those little wins
when you're out there, because it's not you know, it's
not something that you go out and win a bunch
of tournaments. I mean, granted, you know, Steve has has
has done that, he's had some success and and I
actually isy this summer as well. But I think knowing
that there is a balance in all of that, and

(05:07):
again to your point that you're not defined, you know
by that.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, you know, I was talking to your dad about
this a little bit earlier today, Nikki, and the fact
of you had a very successful career, You've played very
well when you were young, when you played in college
and that kind of thing, and in a way maybe
you've stepped back a little bit. And he described you
as the rock of the family and the role that

(05:33):
you're playing in it now is a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Is that fair?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
You know? I think I share that role. I think
I share that role with Steve.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
And I would really like politics. I would really like
I would.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Really like my girls to be able to step into
and again, you know what I just spoke about, that
they make it their own and they've got their own back.
They trust in themselves and the decisions that they're making
out there, because that's that's what matters, you know, stepping

(06:10):
back a little bit from from caddying where it's like, no,
you got you go out there and figure it out
and trust yourself.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
So let me take that the caddying part. When you
caddied for Steve, was it difficult early because he didn't
I don't know how if you always caddied Obviously he's
had other full time caddies over the course of time.
When you step back into it, how do you manage that?
Because I mean, you guys have a lifelong relationship, and
the relationship on the golf course between a player and

(06:40):
a caddies sometimes is different.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
I think I've always approached it as I just want
to be whether I caddy for him or the girls. Yeah,
I just want to be what they need. It's not
about me. What is going to make them comfortable? Trying
to be and think a couple of steps ahead of
what they might need, what they might need to hear.

(07:04):
And you know, sometimes it's saying nothing. Sometimes it is
it is saying something. So again, knowing him as well
as I do that that's made it easier. What's hard
a lot of times is to just like bite my tongue.
Sure in certain situations where I want to say certain things,
but it's like it's not it's not the place and

(07:25):
not the time. So I think I'm just just understanding
you know him, but myself too.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
But it would be different for is He or Bobby
because they may maybe obviously personalities are different. Sometimes you
might not say something to Steve that you would say
to Bobby.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Or is he Yes, And a lot of times it's
just being there to listen. What's harder, I think and
has been harder with Steve is saying something and being
okay if he barks back sure, where I'm like, oh
my gosh, like I just made him mad or whatever.
But again, it's good for me to to step into

(08:02):
that where I can be, you know, confident in the
voice that I have and know that I'm I'm saying
the right thing. He may not respond great, but I
know you know in my heart that I'm saying the
right thing.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, we're chatting with Nicki Stricker and Nicky you mentioned
is He and you said she's got the intangible and
there's something special about her.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
There isn't and that I want to just make sure
I take nothing away from Bobby because she's doing her
thing and doing great and progressing as she should. But
there is something there always has been about is he
not only physically, but but I feel mentally there's just

(08:49):
you can't I don't you just you can't teach some
of those things that that she seems to in the
big situations. And I've seen it not only you know
this summer, but the times that she's played with Steve
in the in the parent child on that stage in
front of some of those people, where I'm just like
like wow, and she just she gets into a certain

(09:13):
she's just not she's not phased by the situation.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Is let me ask you, as a parent of golfers
and then a coach of golfers, how do those two
paths vary? I mean, you coached obviously in your kids,
and you were coaching them a little bit too, I
would assume. But it's a different path, isn't it being
a college coach or a coach as it is.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
I didn't do id I treated those people like I
treated my own kids, and especially on the women's side,
because they they can psych you out within the first
two weeks that you're present, whether you're full of it
or whether you're really serious about it. And uh uh.

(09:57):
In my particular cases, I know a little bit about
who I am. I don't really TV too much. It
is what it is. It's black, it's white, it's up down,
true falls. And sometimes with your own kids, you varied
a little bit. I didn't. They you know, a whole

(10:19):
different ballgame. But the point is.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Is that approval there that.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Has carried over because as the twig is bent, so
the tree grows. And because I feel good because in
my household, my wife took care of business. I was
doing my own thing. You know, we had this, but
there has to be somebody. That's what I mentioned about
her that you know she's at home, she controls where

(10:45):
everybody's got a complow. You know, they all leave, but
they all got to come back, and when they come back,
their assumption is that it's the same as when they left.
It's a good thing. So it's important in her particular
case that she is doing what she's doing. And you
know the business of the girl we have that saying.

(11:07):
You know what I want to say kids anyway, that
the uh, A son is a son until he gets
a wife, a daughter's a daughter for the rest of
your life. Yeah, and I got a bunch of them
and granddaughters again, the same thing. You know, all I

(11:29):
do is sit back and wait for them to ask something.
Right now, I became a resource, not a teacher. So
they come up with something, So that's my opportunity, you know,
to give it. It's no different than Steve. Are we
How about if we go to the farm. Well, what
that means is that I've got you in the car
for one hour and you can't go nowhere. So then

(11:49):
we start. You know, he goes this, and you've heard
this before. You go ahead, and do you believe you're putting?
You believe that you can't have an opinion on a fact?
Right right? Oh yeah, you know, so the longer that
you can keep your putter square to the ball, the
more accuratu're going to be. You believe that the shoulders

(12:10):
make the plane? Well yeah, so your shoulders and the
line are the same, right Yeah. So we go on
and on about four different things. So it's over. So
about a week later, he'll call it, you know, he says,
I hit on something. Oh, but we talked about this
twenty years ago. I said, Well, there you go. But
it's his idea. This is where she what she was

(12:31):
trying to say was is it's got to be his idea,
you know, in his particular case. And the girls are different,
you know, they take it and they run with it.
With him. We have a saying in the hunting thing
when he's we're watching him, well, maybe we'll use this tree,
and you go on, well, maybe I should put it

(12:51):
over a little bit further too, Well maybe that tree
would be better. Three. So everybody does that, they go
on two, three to three different ties before he doesn't.
But you see, that's what makes him good. Sure, you know,
he has his own, his own everything. The way he
views things. If you've ever watched when he makes caricatures

(13:11):
out of matchsticks, nobody knows that beautiful. Or when he's
we used to chip against one another. His methodology of
what he's doing is totally different than mine. That's what
makes them good. Same thing with him. So you know,
I think that. But he came from a structured home
life also, very much so almost to a point maybe

(13:34):
that maybe should have let him go a little bit,
you know, so you know the business of the home life,
and I know what she does. I have an idea
what she does. And I get a chance to talk
to the girls when they feel like they want to
talk about something. But what they know is that we
have their back. They can go and do their things.

(13:57):
You're never going to You're never going to go backwards.
Is going to go forward. And with that they have
their own thing now, Bobby, her mind was tennis.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
In Blake Golf for a long time.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Good thing because now she's twenty five, she's just getting started.
When some of the people who some of the foreigners,
they got beat up since they've been thirteen years old.
By the time they get to twenty two, they're done.
They don't want to play no more. She's got it.
I mean I talked to her enough, and I see
when she's here, we give some suggestions to things, because

(14:29):
you know, we have a deal. It's Dad first and
Grandpa second, and that's the way it should be. You know.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I don't just think Mom gets in there something too yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Oh yeah, well she does too.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
Good mentally, mentally mentally more than anything.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like what the hell are you doing? Anyway? It's uh,
it's great. It's fun to see and the success is
good to watch and good to see sometimes I think
she exceeded with our expectations what she did. Yeah, she wins.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I wanted to ask you that when you go ahead, then.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
That was a follow up to your question.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, because seriously, the success of all of the kids,
you and Steve, the foundation, the tournament, American Family Insurance Tournament.
You ever pinched when you look at your career and
thought about it and how it's developed and where it's going.

(15:30):
What do you think about sometimes when you're just sitting there,
you gotta go, wow, there's a here TPC. The whole
thing is, there's a lot of wonderful things going.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
On, absolutely absolutely a lot of wonderful people that you know,
when you talk about the tournament, I mean the the
tournament team that does that. I mean we just and
by we I mean Steve too obviously, Uh, you know,
just kind of show up. But there's a lot of

(15:59):
people that you know that care about what's going on.
And I think the fact that it benefits the Children's
Hospital number one is I mean it's huge. I mean
people want to get behind that. And yeah, I mean
to answer your question, yes, do I you know, do
I pinch myself? There's a lot of times where you know,

(16:22):
I don't feel like i'm you know, I'm a part
of it, but it's.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
A it's a bigger It's just it's a bigger group.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Of people that have gotten behind something that they believe
in and and uh, you know, want to support. So
I'm just thankful that I get to be a part
of that.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I would imagine it's also emotionally very humbling in November
or December when you announce the gifting the foundation dollars
that go out because the impact that y'all have on
so many people's lives, not just at the hospital, but
so many people's lives in this area from the tournament

(17:02):
that you and Steve are front center on has to be.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Humbling absolutely that that grant event that we have and
the people that come and come up and say, I mean,
I'm part of I don't know, Steve doesn't really go
through them, but I go through like all of the
grants and to read those things and then you know,

(17:26):
be at that event and have those people come up
and say like, how thankful and yeah, I mean, it's
it's like Christmas on steroids, it really is. And again,
super humbling to just be you know, a part of that.
And again that event and all that goes into that.
I mean that is still like the tournament team. And

(17:48):
there are times where I'm like, gosh, we're just showing
up and being a part of this and we didn't
really like we didn't really do anything. But again, to
get past that and enjoy the fact that to your point,
it's it's impacting a lot of people in a in
a really good way.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Let me finish where kind of where we started, and
that's on golf. What are the strengths of your game? Now?
What's better about your game? Where do you need to
be better? Like just because you compete, I mean you
want to compete, it's part of what you do. Now
you're like you said, maybe offer on the air, but
you'll help the kids when they need it. But you're
also playing your game. Now, what's up with your golf?

Speaker 5 (18:28):
You know, I'm just trying to just trying to sort
it out again. It's been a you know, a struggle
for me to not like associate my worth with Sure,
you know how I play, but I also feel like
in that and learning from that that it's wisdom that
I can pass on to the girls and like, have

(18:52):
that a little bit of knowing what certain things feel
like when I'm out there, what's certain things feel like,
and uh, just be able to stay kind of present
and and kind of trend, you know, with them as
they're doing what they're they're trying to do and and

(19:16):
still be relevant and to help to them.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Last one for you, and that is well, yeah, I
remember I cut him off.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
And I'm sure there's a lot of guys listening, you know,
but I'm a firm believer that the athletic chromosome is
an X. I've heard this maybe, Yeah, so these guys
who have got these bellies up against the table can
back off. Athletic ability is from the woman, not from them.
So when we talk about these two girls having this stuff, oh,

(19:47):
you know where I came from. You know where it
came from. That's right.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Before he interrupted me. But it is his show. I
was gonna I was going to ask about the challenges
that you've had this summer and springing summer with as
a spouse. When your husband or your wife is going
through something, it's you go through it too. Steve's not
able to play right now, and I'm sure it's it's
got to be grinding him and how you've had to

(20:13):
be part of that process too, because what is his
is what you're going through as well.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, and you know he's been I do feel like
where golf is concerned, he is in a good place.
He's doing some other things that he likes to do. Uh,
you know, being there for the girls is a big deal.
Doing some fishing. He's got a hunting trip that's coming
up in in October. You know, still physically trying to

(20:42):
get his body sorted out, but he's doing that and
taking the time to do it, and I do feel
like he's in a good place.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Is the freezer full fish and meat in the freezer?
You think you would think.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Have you got a deer up on the wall? A
deer it up on the wall and that not yet?

Speaker 5 (21:02):
You know, No, I mean I you know, I was
fortunate enough to to have gotten one here, and I
think a week later Steve shot one. The rack that
I had was nice but inside fit, inside.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Awesome.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
So yeah, I just took him down to get a mountain.
They all have a place they will because they were
they were here. Ye got those Oh there's a whole
wall from the other place. Beautiful beautiful, but here we
don't have anything down at the new place yet. One
one lucky guy got one. What's his name, but yeah,

(21:45):
you got one. He's listening.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'll hey, Nikki, thanks for coming to appreciate it very much,
appreciate what you'all doing. Good to visit with you. Gary
Demoto will join us on the side and then we'll
talk to Vince Siegel after the bottom of the hour.
As we continue talking golf at TPC Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well we continue. It is talking golf on a Monday
night at TPC Wisconsin. Mike Keller, Paul Round, Dennis Tizziani here,
Dave McCann taking care of this and Brad taking care
of all of it back at the station. A big
thank you to Nicki Stricker who joined us in person
of the first segment. And what does a well he
makes sure that we're over the air. Yeah, he's got

(25:33):
a job. It's very important.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
You can't hear me, right, yeah, yeah, she can.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Can hear you?

Speaker 10 (25:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
You know else can hear you? Is Gary Tomatto, Gary Caddy.
There you go, he's carrying the bag. Put up, put up,
keep up and shut up? Is the job? Then, I think,
is how that works for a caddy? Gary Demato joins
us and and Gary. Coming up in our next segment,
we're going to visit with Vince Sigal, who you covered
last week at the State up at the Leado.

Speaker 12 (26:03):
And what an.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Impressive finish for a kid. He's seventeen and playing at
Seymour High School on his way to UW Green Bay
down the road. But give us your impressions on how
he handled what last week was and being such a
young player to win the State am man.

Speaker 12 (26:20):
I don't know what you guys are doing at seventeen,
but I was playing in junior golf tournament trying to
break eighty at Grant Park, you know, a fifty five
hundred yard course, and here's this seventeen year old young
man on a seventy two hundred yard course shooting sixty
eight in the final round of the State am tremendously impressive.
What was really funny was he comes to eighteen he's

(26:41):
got a one shot lead and he nukes a seven
iron from one to eighty over the green a back
pin and his ball goes over the green and he's
got like fifteen feets straight uphill to a short sighted
pin and he pitches it to two feet. And later
on in the interview, I asked him about that, the
difficulty of that shot, and he goes, ah, I had
a good light it was. It was really a pretty

(27:01):
simple up and down. And Bob Regarth he texted me
and said, simple up and down. There's nothing simple. Up up, fearless, fearless.
Young man really talented. The ball makes a different sound
coming off his club's face. I'm telling you. You know
when you see a special player and you hear them
hit iron shots and you can you can just tell

(27:24):
that someone's got compresses the ball and has great swing speed.
And this young guy has it in man. He already
committed to Green Bay, he's he's gonna he's a rising
senior at Seymour High School. And it's like, what green
Bay landed a really good player.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, Dennis, let me ask you this. You didn't see
the shot, you weren't at the tournament, But what is
it in the mental makeup of a player, even at
that age, to not let that moment be too big
for you and to stay in in it being comfortable
being uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Well, and that's a good point, but some of those
people that are that young don't have the the other side,
the other side, and I'm sure he plays golf once
every three weeks, yeah, right, so, and is a totally different.
Then we get our normal people who have a daytime
job and stuff like that. But even still seventeen years

(28:17):
old to win that tournament. Now, really, I look at
it and I say, where are all the players? Where
are they? And this is what we contended to here
a number of times where I'm saying, inside of our state,
can you give me somebody that's big time material?

Speaker 10 (28:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Not too many? Yeah, And that's back on that again.
I hate to be beaten up on them, but the
fact is is that education, proper education, not doing it
for one hundred dollars an hour, sure, stuff like that.
Now there are some people who are doing that.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
The right I think is you're talking about teaching.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Thank goodness for that. And you know, I think that
that education has go on. I think that there has
to be a way that it's provided for some of
our people. I know here, the time that we spend
with our people just to go ahead, to make sure
we're doing the right things so we can pigressing. We
aren't doing it for one time. But you get a
young guy like this. Now we have a seventeen year

(29:15):
old kid here. He shot fifty nine.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, and he and Lincoln Hoptman are they want to
know one another. They're going to go both go to
the same college.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
That just makes me just rent.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
You were hoping they would be playing here Gary. What's
in store for Vince?

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Now?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
What is winning the state am I mean, it's historical,
the names always going to be on that, but there
are other benefits to it as well.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
Correct, Yeah, Well, the big benefit is that now the
USCA passed this RUOK a year or so ago that
the winners of state amateurs are exempt into the US Amateurs.
So he's going to play at Olympic Club in two
or three weeks, you know, a tremendous golf course in
San Francisco. He didn't. He thought he knew there was exemption,

(30:02):
but he thought it was for next year. So it's like,
you know, oh, by the way, here's your here's your trophy,
and you're going to the Olympic Club in three weeks
in the US Amateur.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Really so, really good.

Speaker 12 (30:11):
That is a really good perk for winning our state
state Amateur.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Now, yeah, really impressive. And I know when we talked
last week, there was a twelve year old in the
field field. Can you give us the update on what
his tournament was like?

Speaker 12 (30:26):
You know, yeah, he just turned twelve on June tenth,
so about a month, you know, six weeks before the
state an so barely twelve, and you know, seventy seven
thousand yard course was a little much for him, as
you can imagine. But the young man has a great
head on his shoulders. His grand he lives with his
grandfather and has a younger brother who plays golf too,

(30:49):
But his grandfather has kind of guided him and shepherded
him along. And you know, really you know, Rob Fernandez
and I interviewed him and really bright, young young guy
and well spoken, particulate, you know, ready for the next
step whatever that's going to be in his life. But
twelve years old, my goodness, playing the seventh I was
in there a golf course. I think he shot you know,

(31:10):
I don't have the scores in from that. It was
like low eighties the first stage. Yeah, I thought, day Yeah, Yeah,
I mean that is that is pretty hard to do
when you're just turned twelve years old at a state annam.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
No kidden no kidden.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Gary, You've spent a majority of your life, for a
big part of it, around the world of golf and
that kind of thing. You mentioned at one time having
a goal of shooting eighty. Uh. If you had a
bucket list, is there anything on that bucket list that
would involve golf that you haven't done yet?

Speaker 12 (31:40):
You know, it's something I used to do a little
better than I do now, and I would give maybe
give my baby toe to do it again. And that's
gets some swing speed. I just have lost so much
swing speed over the last eight or ten years, and
I just I can't hit my driver. I played today
in the MAXA noting at Techaway Country Club, and my
four guys I played with Allo told me by forty

(32:01):
to sixty yards on every hole, and that is emasculating.
Let me tell you, I would give anything to get
some swingspeed back.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
Dennis.

Speaker 12 (32:08):
Maybe I gotta pay you a visit.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Oh, there we go. Now that was coming and I
was just going to ask you, did you I'll give you, Gary,
I'll give you an example what Dennis is talking about.

Speaker 11 (32:19):
Here.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
We have a local player here. His name is Dave Brown.
He worked through the program that they have here in
the wellness center. He gained eight to ten miles per yeah,
and he's hitting the ball twenty to thirty yards further
than he did one year ago.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
So it can be done, Dave.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Dave is in his sixties.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
I think he's like sixty five.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Right, old than ninth. It can be done well. And
the other thing you can do, I mean maybe a
hockey stick. Have you thought about that? I know you
just watched I know you just watch Happy Gilmore Too.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
And there we go.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
What Gary, did you not watch Happy Gilmore Too this weekend?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Am I understand? Are my sources correct?

Speaker 12 (33:03):
I did watch it. It started streaming. It's premiered on
Netflix on Friday night. I had to watch it. I
know Dennis probably pooh poohs it, but I thought it
was funny. All these golfers in there. I mean, there's
there's so wooden, you know, but but some of the
lines were really funny. I thought The funniest line in
the movie was when Gotty Scheffler punches another golfer in
the stag and gets arrested and they're flapping handcuffs on

(33:25):
him and he says, oh no, not again. So you'd
have to you'd have to follow golf to know what
that meant. But of course everyone who follows golf remembers
them at the PGA. You know, getting give you I'll.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Give you a okay, radial talk. Radial talk is distance. Yeah,
you'll have to find in your body where those components are,
and there are five radio torque pieces in your core
that will help you get more swing speed. I don't
think I'm gonna.

Speaker 12 (33:58):
I'm gonna have to come.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
He's gonna. We're gonna. He's gonna have to make a
trip up here one of these shows and sit down
next to me. Yeah, then I'll go.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, make sure you get them early.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Give them the places. So he's been around for fifty
years and he's still don't know this.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
You come early, Gary and Denis will put you out
on the golf course no charge, and you get to
play here.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
We go what you're selling, Like one of my sales, guys,
do it? No charge all the time, No charge.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
What are you doing next Monday?

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Gary?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, come join us. Yeah, we could have three more
weeks of shows. You can come over and do one
in person and come over here. We'll hit five miles
an hour of swing speed.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
We'll hit some balls and then maybe you'll say something
nice about me.

Speaker 12 (34:38):
And but Gary, if you're the one who's bad stuff
about me, I would say.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I don't say a bad thing at all. Gary.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
When you come here next Monday, if you can, you
got to sit next to him, know, in the lineup
where you have so yeah, yeah, there's no separation.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
You'll be right next to him.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
So, but you got to come an hour early so
we can spend twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Okay, Okay, I can't stand you boy, I mean exactly
right now.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
This is a serious invitation, right yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
I've only got two three left more.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
You got to write it down.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
He'll forget and last quick's out here on the on
the happy there, Okay there, we got to come in
and go more too. It's good for golf, isn't it.
Even if the movie, Even if some people think the
movie is silly and not good enough, but it isn't
it good for the game.

Speaker 12 (35:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, it's funny, it's
got a cult following. And you know, there's this thing,
there's this series on Netflix called Stick right Now with
Owen Wilson. So yeah, it was a pretty funny little
episodic thing. And yeah, there's golf is on TV. It's
it's streaming and you know, baby, people who never played
golf watch that and think it's funny and say, I

(35:54):
got to pick up a golf club.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
You know that's right.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And I'll just I'll just leave you this because Paul
Brown we were talking about it before the show began.
He said he thought the first one was stupid and
he thought this one was stupider.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I didn't say stupid.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well I know, but that's what it sounded like. So
I had four words written down and I will leave
him there. Okay, Gary Demato, thanks for being here and
with us tonight, and we'll set up the whatever one
of the next three mondays for you to be here.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
And patcha down at four thirty next Monday.

Speaker 12 (36:26):
I'll be there, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
There, it is done, dealt in person. Next week I'm
gonna watch the lesson, see.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Right, handed it's zero.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Thank you Gary.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
We have to take the lesson.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
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(39:59):
Tennis Dizion with you. We welcome in Vin Siegel. A
week ago, this seventeen year old kid won the state
amateur a betlito, and I can't it doesn't seem right.
I did a tongue in cheek to call you a kid,
but you are seventeen years old. And I listened to
your post round interview, post championship interview, Vince, and one

(40:22):
of the things you said is you had on that
last day a whatever attitude that if it was going good,
you were gonna be relaxed and whatever, and if it
wasn't going good, you were gonna be relaxed and whatever.
Walk us through that mindset of how you approached that
final day.

Speaker 14 (40:39):
Yeah, So it was really just, you know, it was
just a matter of having fun out there, and I was,
you know, I had my older and younger brother on
the bag. They were kind of switching off days last week.
But it was just it was a matter of having fun.
And I really just you know, I didn't really care
what was gonna happen that fun around as long as

(41:00):
you know we had a good time out there, I
don't really care.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
And well did you kind of chuckle at that? Because
it takes different mentalities in order to manage your way
around the golf course, and that is one of the
ways you can do it.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
H Well, no question know that, Uh he can he
can do that. I've never seen him. I didn't go
up to Wisham play, but the fact is that he won. Yeah,
so you know, uh, winning isn't all fundamental. Sure, Yeah,
there's a lot of mental involved.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
So evidently he's got something to work with. How come
you didn't come to Wisconsin?

Speaker 14 (41:39):
You know, I think I don't know. Green Bay is
a great fit for me. Coach rank out there is
really awesome. So it's just I think it's it's a
perfect spot for me.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, and you can always transfer you He's buddies with
Lincoln Hotman, right. I mean you've played some with Lincoln, correct,
and he's going to Green Bay. And so I wondered,
in your relationship and knowing Lincoln, have you come down
and played here yet at TPC Wisconsin I.

Speaker 14 (42:05):
Played for I played there for the Cup matches last year.
I didn't play with Lincoln, just me and him, But yeah,
I mean, I know a bunch of the guys on
the GB golf team, Mason hop Brett Wheeland and Lincoln's
just that was also a big factor.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
And you know going there, that is a big factor
that you're going to get people to do it. But
you know, advice is to get on the biggest stage
that you can get on, and to go to the
places where you can get you're butt handed to you
when you play. That's when you're going to learn. However,
me saying that he can always do that during the

(42:43):
summer months, well he can play.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
He's going to get to play in the US Amateur because.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
It's school number one, sure, and then it's the golf.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
So we were just talking to Gary Demato who joined
us in the previous segment Vincent and talked about you
weren't aware that the qualification into the US Amateur is
for this year and that's a couple of weeks down
the road. How cool is that?

Speaker 12 (43:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Well I was.

Speaker 10 (43:06):
I was.

Speaker 14 (43:06):
I just kind of looked at the the like information
about the US Amateur like very slightly before my round
on Thursday because I did not you know, I wasn't
expecting to go and win that turn around. I was
just trying to you know, to be honest, I was
just trying to make the cut going in there. But yeah,

(43:28):
I ended up playing really solid, and it's just it's
gonna be a crazy couple of weeks, but I'm ready
for it.

Speaker 10 (43:34):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Good for you, Benca two parter.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Tell us a little bit about your family golf, why
you picked the sport of golf, and what would you
say your strengths are as a player.

Speaker 14 (43:46):
Yeah, well, my dad got my older brother, Garrett into golf.
He plays at UW Star right now, and he kind
of just paved the way for me and my younger brother.
He's playing the juniors with me down in your scene
right now. But it's just it's really been a crazy

(44:07):
couple of years. We just started playing tournaments around twenty
twenty one. And yeah, I mean, I think one of
my strengths, one of my best strengths, is probably my
mental game. I don't really expect too much when I
go on and play.

Speaker 8 (44:24):
It's just for me.

Speaker 14 (44:25):
It's just always having fun and I'm really good at scrambling.
I get up and down a lot, which has to
just be on the green in the first place. But
you know, you like that's gone.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
That's called playing golf.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, And Gary was just talking about that's a good thing.
Gary was Gary Demato was just talking about the up
and down that you made to secure the win on
the tournament. And you thought it was a pretty simple
and easy shot, and Tis pointed out that you play
a lot of golf, so it ended up being easy.
But that last hole that you played, can you do
you recreate it?

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Have you thought about going to the final hole of
that tournament with a one shot lead and what happened
to you on that hole?

Speaker 10 (45:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (45:07):
I mean I didn't really know where I was at,
like on the leaderboard, because I'd never look at the
leaderboard when I'm playing. But I knew I was gonna be,
you know, up there, because I had a bunch of
cameras following me or whatever. But I had a perfect drive,
and I guess I had too much adrenaline and hit
a seven iron just a little over the dream and
my ball was sitting up perfect for that third shot,

(45:30):
and it was it was a lot easier up and
down compared to the the other two I had on
the back nine, I had one, uh I'm sixteen where
I was on at back right bunker, so that one
was probably the trickiest one of all week. So it
was a lot easier compared to uh to sixteen, that's
for sure.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
What's it been like the last couple of days? How's
your world change? Anything interesting or what's the reaction?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Ben?

Speaker 14 (45:57):
Yeah, it's just I've been on basic cloud nine scause
it just doesn't feel real winning that big of a tournament.
But yeah, it's just it's been a lot of fun
and we're already, you know, playing all the tournaments, so
got to stay ready for this tournament. Keep it going.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, so the Junior Masters, you're in Racine. How was it?
I assume today was day one? How did that go?

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Yep?

Speaker 14 (46:22):
Day one was the seeding the short place leading. I
was playing really solid. I was I think five unders
through sixteen and I doubled the part three last hole.
But it was whatever. It's my first time playing the chorus,
so I don't really expect too much and.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Give us a sense of what what it looks like
when you get to go out to Olympic in a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 14 (46:46):
Yeah, I still I'm we're still getting situated on what
we're doing for traveling and all that. Sure, but yeah,
I'm pretty sure. Our practice round is the tenth and
it starts the eleventh. So no, I just I'm not
sure who I'm going to have Caddy. It's going to
be one of my brothers or I mean maybe both

(47:06):
of them at that part.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Sure, yeah, but that's awesome.

Speaker 14 (47:10):
I don't know, it's going to be exciting.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Well, just we wanted to say thank you for jumping
on with us. Congratulations, keep doing what you're doing. Dennis
is going to try and chorus you to transfer at
some point to UW, but we're really happy for you. Congratulations.
What a great summer it's been for you, at first
at Seymour and now when in the State am and
and what's to come. All the best to you.

Speaker 14 (47:33):
Awesome, thank you very much, Thank you for having me out.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Good good luck, vinch Vince Siegel, thanks doing that out
and play in the US Amateur. That something isn't that
crazy And he didn't think about it at seventeen years old.
It didn't cross his mind that that would be next possibly.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Now he's going to San Francisco to play golf.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Right, how good is that?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Pretty exciting stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Well, that's a good mentor, you know, other youngsters should
take notice of what's going on. Here's a guy came
out of note, you know. And I keep going back
to this girl that was played in the Women's Open.
She was fourteen years old. She was tied for the leader,
was leading the tournament. So I went to watch her play.
I played, you know, watch her play when she played

(48:19):
around fourteen years old. Unbelievable. Well, how young? Well look
at what we got. These guys here, these young guys here,
and they drive the ball three hundred and they were
teed off because he lost the long drive contest by
the yard. I said, well, what's the how far did
you hit it? He says three forty six? I mean,
come on whatever. Anyway, it's cool, very cool. I'm happy

(48:43):
for this guy and this and the message he's sending
out to a lot of people in the state.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, it's really good stuff.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Cool, cool.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
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Speaker 3 (52:04):
Back on Talking Golf from TPC, Wisconsin along with Mike
Keller and Dennis Tzianni. I'm Paul Brown, Dennis. I was
talking with some of the members the other day and
all of us talking about our game and some of
the issues and what is not working for that particular
player and that kind of thing. And one of the
subjects that came up, and it's the consensus was a

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lot of people don't do it consistently very often, and
that's hitting the ball in the middle of the club phase.
How do you do that and what causes you not
to do it right?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Well, if you're not hitting it in the middle, then
it could be alignment, it could be where this positioned
on the circle. You got to make sure that it's
positioned right when at the apex of the circle, or
they don't have the proper hand action to turn it
back to square. You know, you turn it, do you
get it on the square or they go. Now, men
get away with that because they have stronger hands. Women

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difficult to do. So you've got to make sure that
you teach them the clubhead never stops moving. What only
thing that moves the clubhead is your hands. So in
this swing, your hands should never stop moving. And you'll
see ninety percent of them get up there and they
lock their hands and they'll do something. And there's one

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other big point, and people have picked this up. When
you address the ball, there's an angle between your left
arm and your chest. What happens with men mostly is
when they get up to the top of their swing,
their core is very strong and they move their core,
but their arm doesn't move with it. Their arm moves backwards.

(53:41):
You're never going to hit it in the middle of
the club then, so you got to make sure at
the end of your back swing that you anticipate this
movement and your left arm. You know where your arm is,
not your forearm. Your left arm moves to get in
front of you. I'll send you a.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Bill, well, you won't pay it. We talked about this
a week ago, but now we're in another one of
these where the heat is it can be oppressive and
that has an impact on golfers to play. But my
question is more about what it does to the golf
course and the stresses that this puts on a golf course.
And we don't have a ton of time, but can

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you speak to that.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Well, well, you know, we we did. We tried to
keep we did made a mistake, we didn't. We tried
to keep the golf course the same as the tournament.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
We can't do it.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Too much stress, too much, cutting, too much this. And
now you couple that with this one hundred degree temperature.
Now you can get poeanna, which a lot of courses
have heer pull with one hundred degrees, with humidity and
temperature of one fifty, a combination of one fifty, you
can lose them in four hours. So you know, our
course was really really stressed and I could see that.

(54:51):
So we went ahead and resotted those Oh you can't
tell the difference already that we went ahead and I
don't know how many people would do that or have
the wherewithal We have our own nursery so we could
do that. But uh, you know we water the chemical things. Yeah,
we did that rarifying, not the plugs the other one,

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so we get proper air and uh, you know, some
of this, some of this lightning with the nitrogen really helped.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
But there's no doubt that this these temperatures and humidity
stresses all golf courses, all of them.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
It really does. And you know we're lucky because we're
one hundred percent bent. You get some that are older
and they got poh, you can watch those You can
watch those fairways turn purple in about four hours. It's
a tough deal, Green Superintendent. You know, so valuable right now,
somebody to watch those things to go on.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, and and and I won't finish this thought, but
I was watching yesterday at the three M at TPC
in the Twin Cities, and when they were showing uh,
the players warming up on that practice tea area, it
was beat up, holy up. One of the things you
talked about in the tournament here. And you want to
make sure that you keep the practice area in the

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team grounds good for our members.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
We're gonna cut it in half and we're gonna reside
those spots that are torn up. So we want to
have the dipsy doodles so that half will be ready
in the spring, and then this fall we'll do the
other one, and when that one's ready to be beat
up in the spring, we'll have another one. So I
have to stay ahere. But I don't know how many
people have as big of a team and big of a.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Big area over there. A big thank you to your daughter,
Nikki Stricker, who showed up and spent time with us tonight.
Gary Demato and Vince Siegel. We'll come back and do this.
We've only got three more shows and Gary Demotto is
coming in person next week. Oh that's gonna happen, all right.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
That our That might be our last show.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Thanks for tuning into Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin.

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