Talking Golf 08-04-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin is on the air. Talking
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(00:22):
and Novada Bob's. Now here's your foursome for Talking Golf.
Wisconsin Golf Hall of Famer Dennis Tizziani, Wisconsin Broadcaster Hall
of Famer, Paul Brown, Wisconsin premier golf reporter, Gary Dematto
and host of his daily statewide sports talk show, Mike Keller.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
And we welcome you in and those of you who
are watching this broadcast tonight, you see a familiar voice
sitting next to me. Gary Tomato is here because he
got a golf lesson. We're going to find all out
about that in our second segment.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Boy, he's fired up. Tis must really helped him. We'll
get the answer to that here.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Just said he's not gonna talk about it, but apparently
he is.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
What I'm fired you fired up? And I said it
wasn't going to charge him. That's when he.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Well, somebody else that is.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
And by the way, Bobby Strick her Wild join us
on set here at about six thirty. So we're we're
full up tonight and we've got after tonight just three
shows left. Two oh this is the third. Yeah, two
shows remaining after tonight. Uh, now that I'm counting. Uh,
we welcome in Dan McCarthy, who Dennis has also work with,
and Dan plays on the corn Ferry Tour. And Dan,

(01:36):
we appreciate you spending a few minutes with us tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:40):
My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 7 (01:43):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, you've you've done work with with Tis and and
I want to know what the genesis from your storyline?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
What's the genesis? How do you? Uh? You and Dennis
dizzy on cross paths?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:58):
Well, you know, I've always admired Steve's golf swing and
the way he plays, and you know, years ago, I
think I had missed at second stage of Q school
by a shot. And you know, my mom was always aware,
My parents were always aware of, you know, how much
I liked Steves. Came and you know, my mom actually

(02:19):
took it upon herself to call Dennis and you know,
ask if he would be willing to see me and
work with me, and he was kind enough to say yes,
and here we are, gosh, probably almost fifteen years later.
I think, yeah, it goes.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Back fifteen years. And why why is?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Why did that relationship stick then for you? What about
the relationship of the teacher coach however that works for you?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Why did you stay here?

Speaker 6 (02:53):
You know, Dennis just keeps it simple.

Speaker 8 (02:56):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
I've been back there, you know, countless number of times,
you know, come up there to be tennis, and you
know we always end up working on the same things.
You know, you think you think I would get it
after the first couple of times, but here I am
still still learning.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, because this is not home, right, I mean where
is I mean, you're on tour doing a lot of
things that you're not at home, But where is home
when you get there?

Speaker 6 (03:23):
I live in Palm Beach Gardens, Jupiter area in Florida,
but originally from upstate New York town called Syracuse, Dan.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
What keeps you going? And I don't mean that in
a negative sense. I believe you're forty years old and
corn Faery Tour and that kind of thing. Obviously, the
dream is to play in the PGA Tour. We don't
really realize how difficult it is. I would assume in
terms of making it to the top level. How do

(03:56):
you feel about that and what has driven you through
this for this amount of years.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (04:03):
You know, I just love to compete. I love golf.
I love tournament golf. I've had a lot of success
over the years. You know, I haven't quite been able
to bust the door down to get to the PJ Tour,
but I've been close several times. And you know, I
just I just love to play. Ever since I was

(04:23):
twelve years old. I just I just kind of got
the golf bug, and I just I really don't want
to do anything else. I really don't see myself doing
anything else. And you know, with the success I've had,
I you know, I've still been able to pay the
bills and you know, take care of my family and
you know, we've got a nice, comfortable life and a

(04:44):
nice house down in South Florida. So you know, as
long as I'm able to keep doing that, I guess
I'll just keep going.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Tell us about the four week run and winning championships
up in Canada. That had to be a good time
time for you going through that experience, right.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Yeah, I mean that's probably the best results, you know,
season I've had. I still think I'm a better player
now today than I was then. But you know, I
just I got on a roll. I won. I think
I won the first, the first event, the third event,
the fifth event, and then maybe the ninth or tenth
event that year, and then finished second in the eleventh event.

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So yeah, you know, I just got on a roll
and you know, made everything I looked at. You know,
to be honest, I really didn't drive the ball all
that great back then, and I'm a much better driver
of the golf ball now. You know, overall, I think
I'm just a better player now then, but or than
I was then. But you know, the star the stars aligned,

(05:49):
and I just got on a roll and couldn't miss.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Dennis, I want to roll you in on this.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
What when you got associated and start working with Dan, Yeah,
and what you saw at the beginning, how has that
developed and where are the strengths now?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Well? The development comes in me seeing that someone wants
to get better, to get better, because if nobody really
wants to get better and just coming to see me
just because they said they saw me, I really am
not interested in him. But he wants to get better
and he has gotten better. He's already, but he didn't
talk about he wont to turn on the car. Do

(06:26):
you know who?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yes, we knew him. Do you want to tell him, Dan,
who you beat? Some guy named what.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
It's I think the name will ring a bell, guy
by the name of Scotty.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
So you know he's got the stuff. And I don't
think age. I haven't seen where he's lost, you know,
core body strength or anything like that. I just think
that somewhere along the line, if he if he got
a hot streak, putting lights will go out. That's where
that's where the deal comes. I think that's where it ends.

(07:07):
He hits the ball well enough, consistent enough, and maybe
maybe be a little bit more aggressive. I have not
played some holes of them see where he's lying. Maybe
a little bit more aggressive, so maybe he gets a
little bit closer. But if he makes putts, he's going
to be pretty good. But keep in mind he's very
competitive right now. He's a top ten, top fifteen player

(07:31):
there every week.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, this is a question for both of you, but Dan,
I'll have you answer it first, and then tis you
don't live here. You came in. Your mom helped set
this up. Initially, but then that relationship between a coach
and a player has to take root. And you touched
on it briefly before, But why does this take.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Root and why stay with it?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
There are a lot of teachers in a lot of places,
and I'm not taking anything away from Tis, because I
think he's one of the best that I've ever been around.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
But why do you keep coming back here?

Speaker 6 (08:02):
You know, Dennis and I have, you know, have developed
a friendship as well. I think not just you know,
a student and teacher, and you know, I've been through
I've been through the highs and the lows of this game.
And you know, Dennis played himself and you know, hot
Steve obviously has been through the highs and the low
so he I think we just have an understanding. You know,

(08:25):
he really understands what I'm going through day in and
day out out here. And you know, so it's not
just a you know, hey, what's wrong with my golf
swing type of phone call when I call him up.
You know, we talk about everything. We talk about life,
and you know, I have a daughter now who's three
years old, so it's you know, it's just, uh, I

(08:47):
think the relationship has has blossomed into much more than
just student and teacher. But you know, from a technical
I just can't, you know, I don't think there's anybody
better out there.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
You know.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
It's so it's so simple, you know, And that's why
I think that's why Steve Swing looks so easy.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
You know.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
It's just it's just the basics and fundamentals of it
are real simple. There's no there's nothing, you know, nothing
crazy about it.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Tis why does it work that way with some Uh,
It's it's about communication at some level, right, you have
to hit it off in a certain way.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Well about communication works both ways.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, So as.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
A teacher you can always you can always tell whether
you're getting through the student when he she talks back.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, I have to have him talk back.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
And then now all of a sudden, in his particular case,
well it's teacher, but it's more of a resource. So
they'll ask the questions, you give them the answer, and
that's how then they got to go from them, because
we've always built so that him and everybody else they
become their best, our own best teacher. And I advocate
listening to everybody. I don't care listen to Altie, but

(10:07):
just take out the common denominator of what they're talking
about compared to what you already have, and then you
become your own best teacher because you know, coaches and teachers,
or I say this tongue in cheek, coaches and teachers
are overrated. Players are good because they want to be good.
I have to qualify because I got a problem at
a coach's conference saying the same thing that in the

(10:29):
formative years, maybe twelve thirteen years old, you can't the
teacher's so important. But after that, the player becomes good
because they want to be good, and you become a resource.
And Steve's case and Dan's case, I mean they ask questions.
You know, he comes up, we do it, Steve yesterday,

(10:52):
Well maybe we go down to the farm for Well
what that means is we're going to talk for a
little bit, you know, so we talk about this and that.
So become a resource. And that's the way it is.
And it's a relationship. There's no doubt about it. I mean,
you know, I don't teach everybody. I mean I don't
do that. Oh well, I have you teach you ye

(11:14):
where you're going. It's all that's very cool.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Dan explain how the corn Fairry Tour, what's your status
and how does it work and how do you get
to the next level.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
I have fully exempt status because I finished inside the
top seventy five last year, which that's the threshold to
keep your card on the Corn Ferry Tour. But you know,
they kind of keep changing up the numbers every year
of how many advanced to the PGA Tour. This year
it's twenty, so you have to be top twenty on

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the Corn Fairy Tour points list to get to move
up to the PJ Tour. But they also have five
spots now at the final stage, Key School, so they
brought that back a couple of years ago, so there's
there's still multiple apes. But you know, the talent out
here on the corn Free I've been out here for
probably eight or nine years in a row now, and

(12:08):
you know, every year it just seems to get better
and better. And you know, I argue, you know, I
guess you could argue against me on this, but I
think the corn Free Tour is the second best tour
in the world. You know, just the progress I've seen
on it in the last eight years is tremendous, especially
the young kids. They're they're coming out of college just

(12:30):
so much more prepared and ready to go immediately versus
you know, when I graduated back in two thousand and
seven or it was almost like you needed a few
years of mini tours of getting your head beat in
to kind of figure it out. So it's if you
can get through the Corn Free Tour, then you you
certainly deserve to be on the FJ Tour and you're

(12:51):
ready to win immediately.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
So Dan, let let me uh, let me ask you
where you sit for the rest of this year. What
is the rest of your year look like, and what
is your chances of I mean, obviously you'll try Q
school if you don't get to exempt status, So give
us a sense of where you are and what the
remainder of this year looks like.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
I'm currently I think around eighty fifth on the points list.
I haven't checked after last week, So you know, if
I want to get inside the top twenty, I've got
to win or go on a tremendous hot streak of
you know, top threes and top twos, and we've got
I think six tournaments left. But you know, I think

(13:37):
I've turned a corner here in the last three weeks,
you know, working with Dennis. I've been up there quite
a few times in the last few months, and I'm
really starting to hit the ball nicely. Last week I
hit it well. We were out in Salt Lake City.
I just couldn't buy a putt, you know. It's a
cold putter week, unfortunately. But the week prior to that,
in Chicago, I finished fifteenth and you know, shooting nineteen

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under part for the week, So it was it was
a really bunched up leaderboard there. I think the winning
score was twenty four under and there's a bunch of
people in between me and there. So I think my
games turned a corner and I like my my prospects
here the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Dan, I was reading about your background a little bit.
Tell us about your dream forsome. It's kind of an
interesting group.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
Oh was that was that from the PJ tourist profile.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Yeah, boy, they asked me that a long time ago. Like,
you're gonna have to remind me.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm sure st I didn't write him down, but I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
I'm sure Steve was part of it.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Right, No, Tom Watson was one. Okay, I should have
looked it up. I guess, but it was basically guys
at that point that had played for a long period
of Yeah, which makes sense, right, you get all the
stories and yeah, that type to go with it.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Uh, And Dan, let me leave you with us. Obviously
you've come up here and to spend some time working
with Tis. You've I assume maybe I shouldn't that you've
had a chance to play this golf course TPC, Wisconsin,
and what were your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
It's beautiful. You know. I had a chance to play
it too when it was Cherokee as well. And you know,
Dennis drove me around me a couple of years ago
now when when everything had been kind of planted, it
was growing in, so you know, it looks beautiful. Then
it was tough to get an idea of, you know,
what what the finished product was going to look like.
But I think I was up there about a month

(15:42):
ago and I went out and played some holes and
it's spectacular. It's in beautiful shape. The holes have beautiful,
lots of character to it. You know, they did a
really really nice job. And the whole facility too, with
the fitting bays and the track man hitting bays that
are in the work still I think they're almost done.

(16:03):
But just the transformation of that place since I started
coming up there almost fifteen years ago is truly something special,
something to be really proud of.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Pretty spectacular.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Hey, Dan, thanks for spending some time with us. We'll
be paying attention and we're all in your corner. So
I hope everything goes well the rest of this year.
And thanks for spending time with us tonight.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
Hey, my pleasure anytime. Guys, Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Okay, thanks Dandy McCarthy. Gary Demodel took a lesson today.
We're gonna find.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Out you've still got a big smile on.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, that's how good he feels. Right now. We're gonna
find out.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Why he's thinking my handicap is going to go.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Down by exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
We're gonna start giving strokes to the the guys I
play with.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
That won't happen.

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Speaker 2 (20:05):
And Gary Demato is our guest and sitting on the
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Speaker 2 (20:12):
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Speaker 4 (20:21):
And that's the hat that you see you see in
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Speaker 2 (20:24):
But the other reason you were here today was a
lesson from the man sitting on your right, Dennis Dizziani.
And I don't want to steal your words. How was
the lesson?

Speaker 14 (20:37):
Well, you know, I've been so frustrated because I've lost
so much distance off the tea in the last five, six,
seven years. Everybody hit said, guys with ugly golf swings
hit a fifty yards forty yards past me. And so
Dennis looked at me. He said, I do some things
really well, but there's a couple of things I don't
do well. And just you know, in a matter of

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three swings, he said, here's what we have to work on.
And we worked on it for a half hour. Maybe
he hit seventy five balls or so, and I didn't
hit everyone good, but I know I'm on the right
path and it honestly, you know, I've had lessons with
a lot of guys over the years, and a lot
of guys have helped, but that was the best lesson
golf lesson I've ever had. And I'm not just saying
that because I'm on the show. I really mean it.

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I mean, I learned so much about my swing in
a half hour, and I feel like, if I work
on the things that you told me to work on,
I'm going to hit.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
The ball better. Can you share what he's no.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
You want me to get? You'll go ahead, Okay, Well
it was.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
First of all, the check better cash, that's your cash.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
He's never taken one.

Speaker 14 (21:41):
Dinner's on me, you know. I take the cub back okay.
And my grip's okay. My setup's good, but it's on
the way down where I've been struggling, and I use
I've used just my arms to kind of flail at
the ball, and wasn't posting, wasn't getting my left hip,
wasn't wrote with my hips. I guess that's the way

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to say, Dennis, Sure, And I mean he told me
put pressure on your left tie and pull your your
left hip back with your left tie, well your right hip, yeah, yeah,
you forgot already, Yeah, right up the way back, left through.
But I mean immediately, you know I didn't. I hit
some clunkers, of course, but immediately when I hit a
good one, it went farther than anything I've hit in

(22:24):
a long time.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
'tis?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I want to ask you at the initial diagnosis, what's
your handicap?

Speaker 14 (22:29):
Gary, I'm about a twelve thirteen.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
All right, So somebody walks in tis in there? Fourteen
to fifteen middle teen handicap? How quickly can you find?
How many swings does it normally take for you to
see some things that can help make a difference pretty quickly?

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, well you set up first of all, but then
they make a couple I haven't made a couple of balls. Yeah,
you can hit it like you always do, and then
you can pick out the things for me to find it.
You know, it's second nature, third nature or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Is it.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
We're so ingrained in radial torque for power, and we
identify those parts of radial torque in your core and
once we get the core work, and then we couple
that with your hand action and there's a number of
things that we use to enable the hand action. It'll
happen by itself once you do these things. But the

(23:22):
big item, as I told you, is that you know
when that instructor, when that student talks back, then you
know you're getting to them. So you have to be
really careful a little bit. A lot of times you
can't do all of this stuff. We have to win
overboard a little bit. Even today, you know, on some
stuff got into god going, we got too far and
then we had to retrace and come back. And but

(23:45):
you know, he did really good. But somewhere along the
line he's done this stuff before. This was not new
that he picked up on it quick. So now we'll
wait for a little bit a week or two, and
then when he comes back again, we'll kind of go
over what he had. I suggested he write down the
words that he heard, because the words needs mean something,

(24:08):
and there's sentence or whatever, and he can always go
back to his notes and become his own best teacher,
you know. And so but he did really good. He
was he was a lot better than Paul said he was.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I've never said he's not.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
It sounds like you did no no, I had no idea.
What good luck?

Speaker 5 (24:29):
He said to him. Oh boy, I'll tell you about
Paul hit a post. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I've said this, I've said this about you in the past.
His because that's how you work with Jackson and I've
worked with you a little bit.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
It's been a while. But the one thing that he
that I.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
That sticks out to me is that he he gets
joy when you hit a really good shot, Like you
could see the joy that Dennis gets when you hit
the shot.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Well, yeah, right, which is such a positive influence on
what it is you're trying to do.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Well, that's everything, you know. I just got to Sally Schnarrez,
one of the people comes over, you know, Mike been
friends for fifty years. So we got going because you know,
we cannot dump a bunch of stuff on her. So
her comment is she comes all the way over here
to hear me laugh when she gets a good one.

(25:27):
That's true, you know, she gets so much joy, and
so do they all get. Some of the players that
are really good players and they know when it's right,
you know. So that's what we have to get to.
And it's the outcome, you know, I mean, results are everything,
and you got to keep part of being a good
instructor or any Yeah, a good instructor is you have
to find about fifteen different ways to say the same thing. Sure, yeah,

(25:50):
it's only one thing, but you got to you know.
Then finally they catch it. You know, oh boy, I
got it. Next thing, you know, they're off and running.
So for me, it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Ry Mike, I have a question for you. When you
hit that shot, did you hear from Dennis that's better
than you are?

Speaker 14 (26:10):
I didn't hear that.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
No, I think that's just for you.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Paul, did you ever he did he ever say that?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
He never said that to me.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh, it's only for him, it's just for you.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
You get special treatment over Yeah, it's special.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
All right, you hit a really good one. He goes,
that's better than you are. Well, where that originated?

Speaker 5 (26:26):
You know, we played in a pro am up in
where do we play up in the Dells? Up in
the Dell's. We played up in the dell so we
all hit. It was okay, he hits a record book
shot off the tee. This is that wild, So we
use it. So we all hit again. We hit, so
he hits and he hits a three wood, but hits
it on a green part five. Yeah, so we all

(26:48):
putt he's the last butt, and you know what he
made it. He made it and that's where that originated,
and said, you know, it's way better than you are.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I went from total euphoria and ten seconds later my.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Going it wasn't it wasn't wrong, right, that was really good?
Still the truth, that's why. Yeah, so it And then
let me add on one thing. So, how do you
take what just as it some of you just had
a lesson? Yeah, how do you take that lesson to
the golf course?

Speaker 14 (27:19):
Well, first of all, I think I have to work
on it on the range. I mean my next the
next couple of weeks, I'm going to be on the
range a lot. And I got to tell you, I
haven't even liked practicing this summer because I just hit
the ball so terribly. Now I have something to work
on and I'm going to work on it. And uh
and so when I do come back, hopefully there will
be some progress.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well there is, or you won't be able to get them. No,
but when you're doing it, you will take a video.
You'll take a video. Sign in the front. This goes
on for me from five o'clock to ten o'clock most
every night around the world. People and this serve and
we comment on the thing, and so you don't have
to come to your back. But it's things that I
see and then I forgot about that. Oh you know,

(28:02):
so that's the deal. So I maybe got I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's what I hear all the time I've been around here,
between Dennis and Larry, and I don't think a lot
of people do it. They say, when you go to
the range, go there with a purpose. Sure, and a
lot of people go there and just pound golf ball. Yeah,
they have no clue what to do.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
And and the first thing you have to do, and
we've talked about this repeatedly, right is you've got to
take a lesson. You can't figure it out on your own.
You've got either through video or somebody who knows something
to see what it is you're doing. And that's obviously
what happened with you today. And I sensed when you
walked in before the show started. This will sound negative,

(28:46):
but it's not meant that way that you were surprised
at how good that was.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
I don't know what you expected.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
When you walked in today, But it seems to me
that you're pretty happy with how you walked out.

Speaker 14 (28:57):
Well, you know, I knew that I didn't rotate my hips.
I knew that already, but I didn't know how to
do it. And what he did was very simply showed
me how to do it. Yeah, and that made a
huge difference because I didn't, you know, he used the
ground rotate your hips, but okay, how do you do
those things?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Sure?

Speaker 14 (29:14):
He showed me how to do them, and that's what
makes the big difference. And now when I go to
the range, instead of hitting one bad ball after another
not knowing why, and just trying different random things to
change something, because you're if you don't change anything, you're
always going to hit the ball the same way.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Did you see a distance change in just that short
little time.

Speaker 14 (29:32):
He's laughing.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (29:34):
Everything from wedge to maybe ten yards farther. I don't
know how far I hit the driver, but definitely farther
the way I've been hitting it.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, Well, that that is cool.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
We didn't even talk about other people's golf, but I mean,
isn't that fun?

Speaker 14 (29:47):
Though?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
You know, because Paul, you and I have talked to him.
Paul's struggle with his game. He's not making about that.
And when the game, when you struggle so much, it's
not fun to go do it right. This is joyful
game can be. It's super frustrating too, but if you
don't find the joy in it, if you're not having
any success, it's hard to go do it again.

Speaker 14 (30:09):
And golf has not been fun for me lately because
I'm playing so poorly. So now I have hope that
it can be a little more fun again.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, before we.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Let you go, because Bobby Stirk will jump in here
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(30:46):
This guy's won it a couple of times and so
I'm looking forward to that. Robert Andandiz comes back from
Arizona for that, so we'll tag team it and have
a good time.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah.

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And I'll say this on the way out, because I
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When we're gonna talk every Monday, It's where it's where
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Yeah, it's been fun.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, very good time.

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Oh that's all. After Paul's talks so bad about your game.

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Back with you on Talking Golf at GPC Wisconsin. Our
favorite striker is entered the day Bobby has joined us?

Speaker 8 (35:01):
No is he?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Well?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
We did the last interview with Izzy on the phone. Now,
if Busy came in a person, I might have a
different reaction. So Bobby knows, who's your favorite?

Speaker 16 (35:12):
Just kidding, can't answer it.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Did she say, who's Grandpa's favorite?

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Favorite?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (35:19):
Oh yeah, that's the right answer, good answer right now?
Does he was sitting here to be busy if it
was Ryan, to.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Be Ryan, how about a BBO b b E, well
that one.

Speaker 16 (35:28):
Yeah, oh, Grandma's the favorite.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Of course she is, Bobby, let me ask you one.
We asked this a busy and she wouldn't specifically mention it.
Tiss came up with the question, Okay, who's your support system?
Who do you go to? Who's in that.

Speaker 16 (35:42):
Group like people like my family?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
M hm or not necessarily, but I know what he
was trying to get.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
No, she's got a good.

Speaker 16 (35:52):
Well it's grandpa.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
That's the right answer again, Yeah, no, no, no, it's.

Speaker 16 (35:59):
Not a it's not a political answer either. He is.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
He's like one of he's he is at top.

Speaker 16 (36:08):
Of the list of the people that I would like.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
Yeah, if I'm it doesn't even have to be golf either,
like struggling with anything. He's got the right things to say,
and I know it's coming from the right place because
he's got.

Speaker 16 (36:20):
The faith that he does.

Speaker 7 (36:21):
So I got a tattoo since I've been here, and
it's my grandpa's handwriting, and it's right here, and it
says solo fade, which is in Italian and it means
faith alone. And he's like a very big reason, if
not the biggest reason of why I'm so deep into
my faith is this guy right here.

Speaker 16 (36:37):
So yeah, he is the He's top of the list.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
What's your priorities? What's your priorities in order? You always
talk about.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Him, his faith, family, education, golf. That's why all anes
up there.

Speaker 16 (36:51):
You go and make him And I've been hearing that
since I was little.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, did you substitute tennis for a little while? And
it's the fourth for sure I did.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, I don't care what you do after.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
First three? First three and then you can do it.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
So what if phillis in on your golf world.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
You got a little downtime here to be home, which
is great, but phillis in.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
What's been happening with you?

Speaker 16 (37:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (37:15):
Ah, So I've been playing on the w a PT,
which is the same tour I was talking about last summer,
the Woman's All Pro Tour. I think it's now called
the Anica's Woman's all Pro Tour because Anaica is very involved,
and yeah, I've played probably I haven't played a full
schedule out there. I'm in a time of my life
where I all my friends are getting married, so I've

(37:38):
been in a lot of weddings this summer, which has
been fun because obviously those those people are Yeah, it's
that Trump's skulf, so been doing that. But yeah, I've
probably played ten events this summer close to it, if
not that. And we have two more left. So I'm
home now for three weeks, two and a half weeks,

(37:59):
three weeks, and I finished my season at the end
of this month. Q School is different this year. We
have it's usually this month and we have uh now
they're changing it. Not just one site, we have three
different sites, and they pushed it back a month so
we don't have that until the middle of September. And
then this season, this WAPT season kind of got pushed

(38:22):
back a little bit too.

Speaker 16 (38:22):
We would probably be done by now.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
So now this year, yeah, we just have two more
super excited to be home. I missed the cut. I
just got back on Wednesday, I think it was, and
played in Denver. Kind of just had a little bit
of a breakdown of like, I just need to be
better and talk to my parents and lengthd about it.

Speaker 16 (38:45):
My Grandpa's been helping me.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
I just I'm excited to be home right now because
I just I need a boot camp and I got
all my people here and home to kind of need
to put me through a boot camp because really, like
the focus now again is Q school next month?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, and what a great golf boot camp it is
to be able to work with the resources.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Both from your mom and your dad and from your
grandpa and all of those leagues.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
When we had Izzy on the show two weeks ago
and then your mom on last week, one of the
things we talked about was when you caddy for one
another and how different is it in.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Your view when you're having your mom.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Or Isy caddy for you or as opposed to when
you might caddy for them, Like, because the relationship is
it depends on the player.

Speaker 16 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. Well.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
I a couple weeks ago, last month, maybe now even
because time flies, I caddy for Izzy and we all know.

Speaker 16 (39:47):
I know you guys have talked to her. She has
had an incredible summer.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Yeah, And I was like I want in on this,
Like I need to see like what she's doing, even
though she is my younger sister, she's eight years younger
than me. It's this game is so cool because you
can really learn and she's obviously a great player you
learn from I wanted to learn from her.

Speaker 16 (40:06):
I'm like, what is she doing? Why is she so successful?

Speaker 7 (40:11):
And so yeah, it's it's cool because in a in
a caddy position, you learn so much, and especially if
you're in that frame of mind of like I went
into it and I was like, I want to know,
like how my sister works, how she what she's doing.
And then yeah, when you have somebody caddy for you,
I don't have a lot of people caddy for me.
You got to be like kind of really special to

(40:32):
carry in my bag. I don't love it. It's just
it's a sacred space for me, so like to have
somebody in there that I obviously really trust and I have.
I've had all three of them caddy before, and it
is it's just a very unique You really got to
know what you're doing. And all my family members know
what they're doing and they know how we all yeah,

(40:53):
we all kind of and we've all caddied for one
and like one another in separate occasions, and you do.
You kind of have to, like it's all about player.
You gotta make sure you're catering to them. But it's
amazing what you can learn in those spaces.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Too, Bobby. Years ago, we had Cherry Steinhauer on the show, Yeah,
and she talked about when she was out competing and
at that point there were a lot of foreign players
that were doing better than the American players, and she said,
it's very simple, they work hard and that kind of thing.
The other thing she talked about is while she was

(41:25):
out there, she really truly got a picture of all
of the other talent that's available and how good you
have to be. Are you finding that kind of thing too?

Speaker 7 (41:36):
Yes, I am. Yeah, this wapt level. I've said it
before and I said it last summer. It's obviously not
where any of us like that are out there are
wanting to be. We want to be on the APSENT
Tour and on the LPGA tour. So for me, it's yeah,
you I'm looking at the girls that are like one

(41:59):
step above me, and it is. It's it's totally different,
just the the environment compared to where I'm at, and
it's not bad. I'm not saying that it's bad, it's
just it's just competitively very different, and you're you are
you're striving to.

Speaker 16 (42:16):
Get to where these apps and tour girls are.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
It is.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
It's like these girls have have teams that go with them,
a lot of them have caddies, they got coaches that
are there all the time, and you know, it's it's
cool because you see, Okay, that's working for this in
this individual in particular. But it's also cool because there
are so many different ways to go about it. And

(42:40):
I think that's what my family has really been preaching
to me since I graduated, is like, Okay, growing up,
I saw my dad and the way that he ticked
and what worked for him and how he liked to travel,
and like everybody stressing to me, that worked for my dad,
but that night might not be what works for me necessarily.

(43:01):
So yeah, it's I do I look at the girls
that are that a couple steps above me, and you know,
you kind of take bits and pieces, try different things.
But I think that's what's so cool about our game too.
It's very like individual. If you know, what works for
my grandpa might not work for me, And I think
that's part of the fun is trying to figure out,

(43:23):
like what actually does work for you.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
One of the things that we talked to your mom
about last week, and this has been a recurring theme
here too, is the constant battle to not let golf
be your definition of who you are, which is hard
to do because it's what you do. It's not who
you are. But does that take you back then to

(43:47):
faith and family? Yeah, because when you play a bad round,
you can't help but kind of beat yourself up, but
it doesn't define you.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
How hard is that for you?

Speaker 16 (43:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Funny because I just had this conversation with her, like
four days ago when I was sitting in the airport
after a miscut in.

Speaker 16 (44:01):
Denver and I was I was crying, and I was like,
this is just why am I doing this? You know?

Speaker 7 (44:08):
Like these low moments are are really low because it does.

Speaker 16 (44:12):
It it it digs up a lot of like.

Speaker 7 (44:16):
Just identity stuff and insecurities and like I'm so bad
and whatever it may be, and it is it's I
don't know how you play this game and don't have
a greater purpose and a greater identity in something else,
Because it really will like it will tear you up

(44:38):
and yeah, it's a constant it's a constant battle.

Speaker 16 (44:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
I'm sure my grandpa would say, like I don't know
in life in general, like I don't know if anybody
ever really fully gets it or perfects it.

Speaker 16 (44:51):
But I don't know. It's again another part of the game.

Speaker 7 (44:55):
That's so cool because you are constantly learning something about yourself.

Speaker 16 (45:00):
Like week in week out.

Speaker 7 (45:02):
Yeah, and uh, it's just making sure that yeah, it
doesn't define you and you're coming back to the game
for like better greater reasons.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And the answers can sometimes just be in the book. Yes,
the book, and that brings me to your gear. Yeah, yeah,
Good Lion. Yes, so walk us through again, good line
where you are in that process.

Speaker 16 (45:24):
Yeah. I don't even know if I've told him this yet.

Speaker 7 (45:26):
Last week, I actually and I think I can say this,
I am now a partner of Good Lion, So I
I have a little little skin in the game, I guess, so,
which is so cool.

Speaker 16 (45:38):
I'm so honored.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Johnny Hoffner, one of the other founder, like the founder,
called me the other day and he was like, you know,
my other three guys, we just really appreciate you and
what you're doing and like want you to be on board,
and I'm just.

Speaker 16 (45:55):
Like so excited, so so excited. So yes, good Lion Golf.

Speaker 7 (46:00):
They are a Madison brand make kind of like street apparel,
and yes, it's it's like it's so cool.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah go Bobby, and then don't mean it negatively. Are
your priorities starting to change a little bit?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
You know?

Speaker 16 (46:21):
No, okay right now?

Speaker 7 (46:23):
But I think it's like it's a very cool thing
because it's definitely something I've been praying about, sure just
what the game can bring, like me playing professionally and
doing this like other avenues that it can it can
open and doors it can open people that I've met.
It is something and I have told Johnny this before.
It's something that I've prayed about. To be just involved

(46:45):
in a brand that like believes what they believe in
and just what they're doing in the golf space and
the kind of apparel that they're creating.

Speaker 16 (46:53):
It's just so it's cool.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
It's like unlike golf clothes that we know, and I
think that's super cool. I'm like super creative, So I'm
super stoked to just like have this kind of different
role where I have like maybe more of a creative
freedom and say, and I think it just makes me
more excited that like I am all in on the

(47:18):
golf right now, but just like there are.

Speaker 16 (47:23):
Other things, other revenues.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
That if I get sick, opportunity for sure, and it's
all because it's all because of what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
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make sure that when she did that, you know when you.

Speaker 16 (47:48):
Guys, Yes, I saw her. She was repping and it
was awesome. It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Well, it's great to visit with you. It's good to
have you here in person. I'm glad you're home and
can chill for a little bit.

Speaker 16 (47:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
We're always rooting for it.

Speaker 16 (48:00):
Thank you, good luck, Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
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Speaker 3 (51:15):
We're back at TPC Wisconsin along with Mike Keller, Dennis Dizziani,
Dave McCann or engineered, I'm Paul Brown and Dennis. Steve
Winslow was in town today. That's a name that may
not be totally familiar to a lot of golfers in
this area, but he was the one along with Steve
that designed TPC Wisconsin and in town for a couple

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of hours today and then went on to another city.
But you guys are talking about tweaking a couple of
things here at TPC.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Yeah, there's a couple of whole a couple of things
that we've noticed, not so much from the tour but
players and us going out there. But there's a little
thing on the first right out of the go first
toll rights. It has those mounds and we want were
moving them. We're moving the mounds to the left side
and making better fairway. That's one number number thirteen, number six.

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There's another T that's going to be placed where the
back t's a our way back there. Nobody goes there anyway,
but we're going to bring make another tee in between
that tea and the water and position so you can
see more of the fairway. I don't think the players
are ever going to use it, but just in case. Anyway. Thirteen,

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there's a spot to the left of the green, right
by that back mound that's back there, just to the
left to make a visual bunker, not a bunker to
get caught in, but one like we did on sixteen,
probably be round on the side of the hill so
we could see it. And then number twelve. There was
a concern on twelve that there was if you try

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to hit it over the water, there's it's pretty narrow.
So we're going to take the trap on the left
and move it back farewey will be wider and probably
eliminate the bunker on the right. She'll be fairway.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
That'll be.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
So there are little things like that, you know. Like
I said, I wish Steve would stay home money, but
he's gonna He's gonna pay for it this time, which
is good.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
They do that this fall or extra September.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
In the third week in September is the only chance
that I have to get Roman here to do the work.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
What are the possibilities of making the ten tole apart
five for the members. Maybe not for the tournament, but
for the members.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
Well, we can do that anytime we built another tea
back there, you can put it back there so that
you have date it short of the water, than over
the water, than on the green. It was built for
that because if you remember when we first did that,
that tea, that green had a bunker going way in
front of it. We took that out and we moved
the bunker that's on the green back to the right

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a little bit, and we made a bunker up closer,
and then we made some mouths so the ball was on.
But that's a possibility. Uh. You know, we built a
t in the back therefore that, but we never use it.
I don't think we need to do that. Uh you
know par You know what does that mean? Then par
seventy two to seventy and you have four part.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
On its current t boxes. It wouldn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
You have to do it and just shoot the lowest score.
I mean, I could make it a par five, and
then what make a par five? I feel good instead
of making a boogie.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
It'd probably be easier for a lot of players if
it was a par five.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Well, then play it as a par five. Yeah, what's
the difference a scorecard to score? What's the score?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
By the way scorecards, you're looking potentially at changing some
of the ratings right and some of the t location
in terms of well four combo for an example.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
We put a lot of t's in after that scorecard
was made. We're just bringing that up to speed. A
couple of our members did a good job. Yeah, he
did a good job. He and Cunningham did a good
job with that. Now they gave me the whole deal,
but there's no place on what they gave me to
put the score. So we have to. We have to
incorporate it in what we have and put the right

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yardages in there. So all those little things, you know, well,
I mean to say, it's it's all good stuff. Yeah,
it's extremely good. We're just making it better for our
people to play. The tournament is number two, members number one,
So it's how they're presented. And if I talk to members,

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they love it. That's what they talk about. They really
like it. They don't they don't like that when they
miss the fairway, you know, well, don't miss the fairway.
You know, you don't have to hit a fairway.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
And every all we have this argument, all, well, I.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Just hit it short, hit it whatever you can to
get it on the fairway, because you're going to make
the trouble off the tee. There's no trouble around the green.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Do you think people intentionally hit it off the fairway?
What I mean? You just say, it's very simple. Just
hit it in the faraway.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Get rid of that.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Everybody's trying to hit it at the driver.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
It's hitting there.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
It's what that four irons in the bag for.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
That's what I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Well, you know, are you with him on that?

Speaker 5 (56:12):
They don't listen, you know they understand.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
You know how often I lose balls out here.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, well, hey listen, we got two more of these
to do, two more weeks that we're going to do this,
and then we'll see if we get renewed for next year.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
The boss will be in charge of that.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
That's right, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
What a reviews mixed.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
A great show we had tonight with Dan McCarley and
Bobby Stricker and Gary Camato here in person.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Gary Kivin here was good.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
We'll talk to you again next Monday, talking Golf at
TPC Wisconsin.

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