Talking Golf 8-26-24

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin is on the air. Far
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from the new home of TPC Wisconsin in Madison, here
are the hosts of Talking Golf. Member of the Wisconsin
Golf Hall of Fame, the legendary Dennis Tizziani, longtime Madison
sportscaster Paul Brown, and Wisconsin sports veteran and statewide radio

(00:44):
host Mike Callander.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
From TPC in Madison.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hello, along with Mike Keller, along with the Dennis Tizziani,
Bobby Stricker, Dave McCann. I'm Brown. We got a full
house here tonight and a nice program with a lot
of good news, including with Bobby Stricker, who's with us
live and we're gonna start with that.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Bobby, I looked it up.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Congratulations, I give you you beat one hundred and ninety
six other players over the weekend and talk about that
weekend out in California.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, it was very stressful, a ton of fun. Got
there on I guess a week from yesterday. I got
there last Sunday. Yeah, you play, you play three practice
rounds because we're playing three courses. So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday
is eighteen holes playing three different courses. Started Thursday, started

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on one of the courses that I doesn't really there's
one in particular that bothers me of the three that
we play, and I ended up scoring the best on
that one. So that's just kind of funny. I guess,
you know, you think about it the whole week and
then get there and ended up shooting two under there.
But played played really nice, had a ton of fun

(02:09):
with my dad, and just happy to get through. It's
a very big sigh of relief.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Can you explain at this point what happened and what
happens now in the future as a result of your
efforts from the weekend.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, so I made I made it to Stage two
of LPGA appsentur Qualifying School, and yeah, it's it's a
very complicated system to explain to people, but it's uh,
it's it's all good. It's a it's a great thing.
I by making. I had to make a cut to

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make it to the last day, the fourth day, and
historically that day gets you some sort of Epsent Tour status,
like in the past it has gotten you like the
bare minimum, like if you finished last well, I take
that back. If you just make it to stage if
you if you make it to the fourth day, historically

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you get to be a member of the EPs and Tour.
They took that away this year, so making it to
Sunday meant nothing. Where in the past it was kind
of like it is a goal you have to make
the last day to get to stage two. But in
the in the past it was always like, oh yay,
I get to like be an Epsent Tour member, I
get to play. Hopefully, this year that wasn't a thing.

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So make me it to stage two gets me like
the bare minimum EPs in Tour category, which that means
nothing to people that don't know what that means. But
it just means that, like I can call myself an
UPS and to remember and if I get any starts whatsoever,
if that's sponsor exemptions, you know, qualifying by the category.

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Depending on this, how I perform at stage two, which
is in October, I get to be a part of
the money list, So if I if I make a cut,
I get to be on that money list. If I
wasn't an epsent, to remember, I couldn't be on the
money list. So it's just yeah, it's a step in
the right direction obviously to get back to the EPs

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and Tour, which I wanted to so badly because I
played there last summer. And yeah, but still like the
LPGA Tour status is still like I can still gain
that too, just depending on how I perform in these
next two stages.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
So let's go back to last week, because what was
your attitude after the first round, because the first round
was I think you're of the four rounds that was
your poor scoring round. What was the attitude after round
one and how did that then change over the next
three days.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, it was kind of a wake up call a
little bit because I felt really good leading up to
and then the whole round that first day, and then
I bogued my last two holes to shoot two over,
and it was very much a It was irritating because
I had to sleep on that, but yeah, I it

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was a wake up call because I was kind of
coasting through that round and then to end that way,
it was kind of a little bit of kick in
the butt of like, hey, you need to kind of,
you know, reevaluate the attitude and and be a little
bit more not aggressive, I don't want to say, but
just like pedal to the metal, not lolligag. And I

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felt like that first day, literally the whole day until
I was done. I was like, what that was kind
of weird, Like I felt so good and then I
bogied the last two. Ended up playing in the afternoon
that first day though, so that means that I got
to play in the morning the next day, and that
was I think really huge because I got to go
to bed, you know, you get done, you eat dinner,

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you go to bed practically the first day, and then
I got to wake up super early and just like
kind of get those two shots back. And I actually
birdied two of my first three holes, so I really did,
like once I woke up, I got the two shots back. Yeah.
So yeah, my mentality and my confidence was I don't know,

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and just the game of golf in general at ebbs
and flows any even in a round and especially throughout
a tournament. So I feel like I handled myself super well.
I was so stressed.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
I'm really curious about Sunday. So you get to the
fun around because there was a cut after Saturday, so
you get to the fun around on Sunday and you're
not competing against the other players necessarily are trying to
shoot a score. Yeah, at what point did you begin
recognizing where you were in your placement and then starting

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to play differently?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Maybe is the yeah, yeah this week though, though you
want to perform well and be on top of a
leaderboard at any tournament, it's just really where you place
on the leaderboard means nothing, right because I mean, if
you win and if you are the last girl in sane,
it's the same thing. You know, we're not getting paid
for this, We're not. It's literally just to move on.

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So yeah, there is a little bit of a different
mentality of like you don't wanna you play aggressively because
you don't want to play scared, but you also don't
need to necessarily do things that you maybe you would
in a tournament that you're trying to win or you know,
place high on the leaderboard. So I knew where I

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needed to be before, Like before I started Sunday, I
knew what the number was going to be to get
me on. So it really was like starting out played nicely,
had gave myself a ton of birdy opportunities, and that
last day could have been really low. I was hitting
it really nicely. But yeah, when you make the turn
and you know you only have nine holes left and

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you kind of see the the end, it used. I
definitely started to think about it, and you know, and
kinda shore at Mission Hills is the course that we play,
and there's some holes coming down the stretch that are
just tough. They're long part three's or tight t balls.

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The last hole is a par five where you literally
have to place it. There's water on the left. You
place your drive in between the water and these bunkers
and then you lay up. But it's a really tight
area and then you're pitching, you know, depending on where
you're laying up over water, so it's like you literally
can't there's no break until the final putt drops. So yeah,

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it's stressful, but like I said, I'm so glad that
it's over.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Bobby, you mentioned you had a great time with your dad.
What you're willing to share about the weekend, How did
he help you? Maybe some highlights of the whole experience.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, obviously a huge help because of who he is
and the golfer that he is. But this we've talked
about a little bit and Rob Hernandez, you guys.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Know, I was going to ask you about the bunker shot. Anyway, Yeah,
he was.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
He was out there and which is so cool that
he comes out there and supports We had a lot
of Wisconsin girls playing in the tournament, so I talked
about it with him too. I would say it was
very cool for me this year to kind of realize,
like maybe in the past and my dad has caddied
for me, it's a lot of he's a he helps

(09:19):
in it. He helped in a different way. It was
almost like here's how to play the shot. And this
year it was really cool because I felt like me
I was a part of the like discussion of like,
here's what I'm gonna do. Obviously, course management is huge
for him and I'm still learning that and it was

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a huge help all weekend. But it's it's cool for
me because I saw the growth in myself of having
him be out there and just realizing I had a
realization of how how much I've grown, and just the
golfer that I've become over the summer being able to
I had no caddy all summer, so I'm I'm the

(10:03):
only one that's making these calls for myself, and I'm
committed to the call that I've made. It was cool
to like tell him what I was thinking and him
being like he was just validating what I was doing.
And for me, that's a huge confidence boost because it
almost it feels like I'm I'm thinking the right things

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and and but he keeps it really light.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
We had in that regard. You had a little downhill, yeah,
short sided punker shot with water on the other side
of the green, and I think Rob and Gary Demato
in the piece at Wisconsin Dot GoF focused on this
and you, I think your dad was going to start
to talk about something and you said, I've got this. Yeah,
and so walk us through that bunker shop because on

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the other side is a problem.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
A huge problem. And I literally have done the problem before,
like it was either my first or second year. This
part three is water on the right, bunker's on the left,
and you're elevated, so it's just like your ball's in
the air for a really long time and I pull
it into the bunker or pull it left often. But yeah,

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one of the first years I went out there, I
hit it in that bunker and I did that, I
hid it in the water on the other side, So
of course I do this on Sunday, so just yesterday,
and I know this, like, yes, I knew the shot.
I was in a downhill lie and had green to
work with. But yes, the water on the other side

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is just daunting.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
You know you can't. I mean, you make a double
here now, now you're in trouble the number.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yes, right, yeah, yeah. It was late in the round too,
so not where you need a double. And I he's
standing over by the bunker. I'm assessing my whole situation.
And he's standing over by the bunker and he's got
the rake in his hand and he's looking at me,
and I'm like, I know he's gonna say, I know
exactly what I have to do, and I'm stressed about
it already. We do not need to rehash. I'm like,

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I literally I go, I just I got it, and
he was like, all right, let's see it. And I
actually I hit a really nice shot. I had a
putt for par like a legit putt for par and
ended up missing it, and I was mad at myself.
I got in the car and I was mad at myself,
and he was like, it was a really good bogie,
Like you just need to you need to take your

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four and leave me because I'm like, okay, you're right.
It was a hard shot, but yeah, that was funny.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, Dennis, what do you think about this? What are you?
What are you hearing? And there's got to be a
lot of pride on your part there.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
I know how she's progressed as a person and then
a player, So that was nice to see that she
did it, you know, no problem at all. But you know,
like you know, the athletic chromosome is an X.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, here we go, here we go. Yeah, so
he had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
He goes nuts and I see that, but really good,
you know, I mean to see her progress, and it's
from my perspective, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
You see all those people out here, especially on a tour.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
They they're twenty five years old and they quit because
they've had enough, because they've been there since I've been twelve,
with parents.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Beaten on them. Well, she goes ahead.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
She doesn't get out there until she's twenty two playing
tennis and stuff, so she's got all this time to
mature and you know, validate what she's doing different than
some of those people that I see foreign players, that's
all it is on the Nellie Corda and then fifteen
from the foreign people. You know, but you notice they

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don't stay around very long. They retire early. And you know,
here's somebody who's going ahead and there's a lifestyle for her,
her family's in it, and now can move ahead, hopefully
get to the big tour because she'll do good there.
She does everything good enough to be there. The mental

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aspect will be an issue always, but she's getting past that.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yeah. And you know it's interesting because we talk about
it all summer, right, I mean every time we've visited here,
we were talking about August. That's a hard thing to
do for the player side when you're when your singular
focus is four days in August. But awfully good, uh,
to have composed after the first round and to play

(14:27):
better on Friday, and to play better than on Saturday
than you did on Friday. Like those are really good days.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, really good days. Like I said, I I
proved a lot to myself, which is is cool. I
battle confidence in this game often, so it was cool
to know I was so so nervous and so uncomfortable
over some certain shots, but then to execute them is
a huge deal. And to be able to regroup and

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put a put a good and confidence swing on it
even though you're feeling all those things.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Is a lot of people back here watching. I mean
we couldn't see anything and weren't getting updates until your
rounds were done. But you had a lot of people,
you know, and I know that you have great faith
and a lot of us were looking on and I know, Paul,
we all were when we'd see each other here and
I asked, I saw your mom out on the golf
course Saturday night, later afternoon, and I yelled across the

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fairway you have an update because we weren't getting them
and yeah, So yeah, you had a lot of support
back here.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
That means a lot to me.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
But a big item is dad being there. Oh yeah,
huge item. I mean, you can't you can't say enough
about that that you have somebody there. And the big
part about it is is he letting her do her
own thing, only because she was trained to.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Do those things.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
And what he's done, what she's doing is validating his training.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, very cool, Bobby.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Now, of course the next goal is October, right, and
what's the approach you're going to use basically the same
just continued to practice and that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, good question. I haven't really I haven't really thought
about it or decided what I'm gonna do. It's in
Florida in October, in like Venice, which is just I
think south of Sarasota if I'm not mistaken. But yeah,
I don't know. There's nothing too like competitive wise to

(16:21):
play in before that. So my plan is right now,
I be home for a little bit, do some other
things these couple of weeks, Badger football starting. I'm so pumped.
My birthday is this weekend. So just got some cool
life things coming up, just to kind of maybe take
a break out mentally a little bit, but yeah, and

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then kind of get back to it. I I did
a lot of really good things here, but I am
excited because my dad got to see too. What maybe
some things I need to work on because I'm I'm
really motivated to I don't know, Like the absent tour
is really cool, and I obviously want to be there,
but I can't forget that. Literally, the LPGA Tour is

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still in the equation and I've never really thought that
way before. So to know that that's still kind of
up for grabs and you know, get some good work
in here before the weather kind of turns to yuck.
But then have the opportunity to go down to Florida
where my parents are at and I probably will do

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that earlier than the tournament is pretty.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Cool, really good stuff. Well, we're all proud of you.
And what is your line? Your her history is in
her future?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Amen?

Speaker 6 (17:40):
You want to sing Happy Birthday Tour?

Speaker 4 (17:41):
No?

Speaker 5 (17:42):
No, have you already got the shopping done? You've already
got something?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Oh yeah, what would you get me?

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Perfect gifts for all these guys who don't understand about
this thuff.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
We'll get there anyway. Congratulations and we're so happy for
you and you there's more coming.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
To go, Bobby.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Thank We're gonna visit with Gary Tomatto and his partner
in crime out there, Rob Hernandez was covered, so we'll
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Speaker 5 (21:23):
We continue on this Monday and not really great visit
with Bobby Strucker and that'll lead us right into our
conversation with Gary Demao of Wisconsin Dot Golf and his
partner Robernans was out covering the Q School event out
west that the Bobby Strucker advanced through. So Gary, we'll start.
There was a great piece at Wisconsin Dot Golf that
I read through this morning that you and Rob put together,

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and there was a pretty good Wisconsin contingent out there,
and Bobby and another UW golfer were the two that
made it through.

Speaker 14 (21:57):
Yeah, that was that was all Rob, But I had
no part in that. He did a great sat with
that story. I woke up early just to read it,
just to see how, you know, how Bobby and Chloe
would fare. So really happy that they both made it
through to the next I guess it's the pre qualifying
speech next. But this I think guarantees him some if
I'm not mistaken, some status on Ebsen Tour no matter

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what you do from here on going forward. Yeah, yeah, Bobby.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Now yeah, and Bobby's plaining it there. Now she's a
member of the absent Tour. And then how you do
it the next stage gets you exempt status as far
as those tournaments, and then there is still the LPGA
opportunity that hangs out there. At the end of this,
So let me dig a little bit into the Wisconsin
Dot Golf storyline because Rob spends a lot of time

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coming back here. He lives in Arizona, but he spends
a lot of time coming back here spring summer. But
one of the cool advantages is that there's so many
tournaments out west, whether it's in the collegiate season or
like this, that Rob is very valuable to what you
all do.

Speaker 14 (23:01):
Oh, there's no question, you know, living in Phoenix, you know,
he does a lot of stuff by phone when it's
tournament's back here that he covers. But but you're right,
he has the advantage of, you know, being able to
canvass the whole you know, value this out there in Phoenix,
and then he can get to all the you know,
spots in California that have qualifying events for the Tours

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and various collegiate events. So he's within a couple of
couple hour drive of a lot of tournaments that we
need to cover and a lot of people that we
need to see play. So it's good having a Rob
out there, and it's good having him, you know, come
back three or four times throughout the year to cover
He'll be back here in a few weeks to cover
the the girls High School of State championship. So yeah,
it's great that he's out there and that he can

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get back here and do some things.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
We're chatting with Gary Tomato and Gary an idea started
a long time ago, John Hughes involved in it, you guys,
and then the growth of Wisconsin Dot Golf with a
new association there when John decided apparently he was going
to get out of the business so to speak. That
growth has been just absolutely phenomenal, has it not? In

(24:08):
terms of the coverage of golf in Wisconsin and around
the country, what you guys have been able to do
is pretty amazing.

Speaker 14 (24:15):
Actually, yeah, it's great that Rob Jansen and the WSG board,
with help from the Wisconsin PGA section, they've pitched in
quite a bit too. It they rescued us because when
John Hughes sort of pulled the plug on us in December,
we were fearing that we were going to disband and
that golf coverage in our state would really suffer. Not

(24:36):
that we're patting ourselves on the back, but I mean,
there's really nobody that covers golf anywhere close to what
we do. So we were so happy that Rob Johnson
stepped forward and you know, took us over and you know,
our stuff now goes out and email blasts all the
WSG members. So we're continuing to grow our you know,
our reach and our you know people who go to

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our website. So it's been a it's been a good marriage.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Let's talk about that, that coverage and reach. Let's have
you give us a little synopsis of what Monoqua Country
Club in the Wisconsin State Open that wrapped up last week.
How'd that all go?

Speaker 14 (25:11):
Yeah, it was great. It was great having Robbed there
and Jim kelsh Our photographer does a great job you know,
photos and Robbed is a great job with video and
all three of us up there. Beautiful golf course. I'd
never seen it. Really impressed with the way that the
members embraced the event. They were all on board with it,
you know, startling players and clubs like us from the

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down from the parking lot up to the clubhouse and
you know, everything was very first class. But the whole
way the tournament was run. And then to see Max
lyons you know, thirty five of the last seven holes
and come from behind and win the tournament is it's
pretty special.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Gary, as you look, I had maybe even two more
potential growth of Wisconsin Dot Golf and coverage of golf
in general. Anything on the horizon that you guys can
think of that you might get involved with that's not
being done now.

Speaker 14 (26:06):
Well, we would love to do more course stuff because
anytime we write about golf courses, it gets a really
good reaction. But you know, in the summer it's so
hard because we're so tournament focused that we can't get
to a lot of those other types of stories. But
that's why we have a down season. You know, from
November through through March, we get to do a lot
of that stuff. Projects. We'd like to do some enterprise reporting.

(26:28):
Maybe it would be great if we could grow our staff,
but I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon,
but it would be wonderful if we could someday be
in a position to add somebody else. We'll see, we'll
see how it goes. We'll see, you know, how the
money situation goes with WSJ getting sponsorships and advertising for
our website, and hopefully we continue to go because there's

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a lot of stuff we could cover that we just
can't get to because it's basically a two man operation
plus plus Jim Kells on.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
The on the pro tour. This weekend we saw in
Colorado Keegan Bradley, who happens to be the captain of
the Ryder Cup, had a pretty good weekend. He was
the last guy in. He was a fiftieth qualifier. He
wins with the barrage late and it brought up the
conversation of well he can't, Well he can, but he

(27:22):
won't be a playing captain. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 14 (27:25):
That's fair to say. I don't think you can do.
I mean they did it Wade in years gone by.
You know, there were Arnold Palmer was a playing captain.
There are a bunch of guys who were Sampson Need
I believe was a bunch of guys were back in
the day. But I just think the responsibility and the
pressure to you know, to do all the things that
a captain needs to do with all the obligations, I
think it's just too much. It takes your focus away

(27:46):
from from playing. But so I don't think we're ever
going to see a playing captain again.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Gary, have you ever written a story about anybody having
an eighty five yard putt.

Speaker 14 (27:58):
I saw that video. That was incredib wasn't it. It
broke about fifteen times too. That was a crazy, crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
But it happened an amateur at the over at Saint
Andrew's eighty It's obviously a double green, But yeah, eighty
five eighty five yard putt?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Would you have putted it, Dennis? Or would you have
chipped it? Would you do in eighty five yards away
from the hole? WHOA? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Seriously would you have putted it or would you have
chipped it? Or what I mean looking at it?

Speaker 6 (28:32):
What would you have I don't know, I've not seen
what they're doing. But you know, your worst puddle be
your best chip is a statement. So we have to
take a look at that. Keep it on the ground.
You know she putted it. I probably would have used
maybe a three iron, choked down, turned it down and
made it the loft of a putter.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
So I had the weight and the length to make
that happen.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
I mean years ago when we had long, long puts
on even some of the greens that they have now,
we didn't put it only because it was too slow. Yeah,
so we used that three iron two Irons at that
time and turned it down and made it happen.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, I went statistically, Gary probably would have gone down
as a three part I mean, yeah she did. She
did have a three that works. What do you have
coming up in coverage? Rolling forward? What's happening this week?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Gary?

Speaker 14 (29:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (29:21):
This week?

Speaker 14 (29:22):
Right now, I am at the State Senior Amateur at
Mireddlebrook Country Club. It's a hot one.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Wow.

Speaker 14 (29:27):
I don't know these guys. These guys are my age
and they're playing, you know, in the heat, but most
of them obviously are riding. But yeah, this is a
two day tournament. I'll be here tomorrow again. And right
now there's a three way tie for the lead with
three guys you would expect to be near the top.
Bob Gregorsky, Kevin k Hill and Jim Doing are all
two under. So I'll be back here for the final
round tomorrow, and then later on the week we'll have

(29:50):
a story on the revitalization of Monroe Golf Club, which
nearly shuttered it stores a couple of years ago, and
some businessmen stepped in and rescued it and some great
things are happening down there Monroe.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Very cool. We'll look forward to reading that. Gary, always
appreciate it. Thanks for your time here.

Speaker 14 (30:05):
Thanks so much, guys, Gary.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Demato, Wisconsin dot Golf, Monroe Country Club been doing that
work for a long time.

Speaker 6 (30:13):
We're all going to have it's all going to be
issues like that because the cost to keep these things going.
I mean, they pay the same thing as we pay
for fertilizer for machines, and you know, people want to
play for nothing. The cost is going to go and
that really bothers me. Is that going to go ahead
and deter people from golfing because of the cost?

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (30:35):
You know, I mean, okay, so you can go and
hit balls and have a hit balls and have someone
I'd be like it is over in Korea, Japan, they
don't play golf.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
They hit balls. Yeah, that's what they do. So that'll
be a rescue.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
You know this business, you know that he's got John
the fellow from who started the John Hughes. John Hughes,
you know that whole operations started in my office.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Did you know that?

Speaker 14 (31:01):
No?

Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, John and I sat and did this business of
how this would work, and it was going to be
PGA orientated until it became a success and then which
doesn't exist much now as it did then. That competition,
you know, the Red Coats and the Blue Coats and WSGAPGA, well,
that existed a lot within our go beer doesn't exist

(31:23):
as much. But as soon as that became successful, all
of a sudden, WSJ got involved, PGA stepped on the
side again, you know, not doing it right. You know
I often thought that and this is way off the wall.
How would they become a part of what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
With the foundation?

Speaker 6 (31:42):
Foundation would be huge because you heard them and they're not.
Those guys aren't getting any younger. How does this keep going?
And money's going to be the object. And if in
through the foundation that you had, oh you had a
radio show, you had this media that's going out there,
and you had a particular staff that takes care of it,

(32:03):
then people could see because you know, people donate to
the foundation course, and they donate to the Foundation because
they can see a result. And here you can see
a result the information we give the information that that
would happen. So you know, I didn't want to tell
them there, but they're not.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
You got his number, I got a number.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Don't worry about that.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
But you know, those guys here are not getting any younger, sure,
And I just think it's such an integral part of
information for golf that doesn't happen at the State Journal
or anyplace else.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
They don't even talk about it.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
And these anymore, all these young individual players. You know,
we had a player here, you don't even put it
out there will pretty soon Lincoln Hotman number that name.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Okay, we teach east.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Part of our deal here now. He shot fifty nine
here the yesterday day before, fifty nine, fifty seventeen years old.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
He shot fifty nine.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
And from the threes. And I told him, I said,
he text me, you know what she does all the time?
You played sixteen holes. Don't kid me. You know you
played sixteen But he played with his parents and his
brother and shut fifty nine right out here. Fifty nine here.
I don't care if I put you on the edge
of the green, you ain't gonna shoot fifty nine.

Speaker 11 (33:19):
No.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Actually, I'd probably be a fifty nine or sixty around
thirteen or fourteen. We'll be back after this time out.
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Speaker 5 (36:41):
Zoe WALKI me Kathy Heartwood is she's joined us now?
This is the second time I'd like her to be
on as much as she wants to be on. I
enjoy the conversation, and then I enjoy what well I
know I was getting there, And then I enjoy when
you poke the bear as it were with some of
your comments, mister Tizzy Oni the she can handle it. Oh,

(37:02):
I know she can't handle it. Yeah, I want to
be in the room when she the next time that
you know, at the bar the next time Dennis goes
in so we can let it go, not on radio
where we have FCC issues.

Speaker 15 (37:18):
I don't think you would have wanted to be in
the bar at our last conversation.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Is that right, Dennis?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
No, she's finny.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Okay, Kathy, thanks for jumping in here. The podcast is
called Think Above par So Saturday really early, I drove
out of here on my way up to lambeau Field
and Green Bay to cover the Packers exhibition game, and
there's no sports talk at five point thirty in the
morning that I want to listen to. So your podcasts

(37:51):
kept me company for about the first two hours of
my drive. So I wanted to say thank you. I
love the way you think about the game, the mental
side of it and staying positive and finding those ways
to get through because your brain can really be a
detriment to the game sometimes.

Speaker 15 (38:09):
Oh yeah, for sure, Well thank you for listening. Yeah,
my podcast is both of my episodes are about twelve
minutes long, and they're pretty considerable. Is just me speaking,
So you probably got through you know, half of my
all my.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Pretty good catalog, pretty good catalog.

Speaker 9 (38:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
So we we were talking to Bobby Strucker off the
top of the show today and she made it through
the pre qualification out west. And you know, one of
the things that we talk about a lot, and maybe
we mentioned it when we visited with you two weeks ago,
is that old line that coaches used, that Dennis uses
a lot, that you have to be comfortable being uncomfortable. Well,
maybe you have a different spin on how that works.

(38:48):
How do you handle that conversation?

Speaker 15 (38:52):
Well, I, you know, I agree with that you have
to be comfortable being uncomfortable because you your growth happens
and discomfort less. And if you don't want to grow,
you're not going to be uncomfortable. You know, you won't
go through discomfort. So for you to grow and change
and more as a player is a human business. Wherever
you have to be willing to be uncomfortable. If you're not,
then you know you're going to stay sagnant flu Tour

(39:14):
school is that what you're referring to. That's a whole
different level of discomfort. You know, I've gone through tour
school several several times, so I empathized with the girls
going through it. I understood what they were going through
and what happens in your brain during tour school, and
that's a different level of discomfort. That is you're fighting constantly,

(39:35):
you know, mental little demons. Basically they're going to pop
up because you know it's such a big deal you
get to do it. One time, I had one of
my clients, UH, want to help Bobby with some of
her way she's manage her mind going into tour school.
And then I have another to other clients that were
in it. One didn't make the cut, the other one
made the cut, but we made the conversation because the
Olympics were just finishing up. You know, Olympic athletes have

(39:58):
one out of every four years she goes. I can't
imagine what they go through because we're going through this.
We only get one shot once a year to go
through this first stage of qualifying. So there's so many
different elements in a Q school or something that you
only get to do one. So for the average golfer
who's not going to tour school, that could be your
club championship, that could be qualifying for a USGI even

(40:21):
or a state event. You know, you get it once
a year, and that's a different level of discomfort in
your brain. That's you know, that's listening to your brain
kind of catastrophizing the one and done and if I
don't do it now, it's never going to happen. And
you got to fight those two. So it's not that
you have to be comfortable with that. You have to
anticipate it in those kinds of situations, and then you

(40:43):
have to have a plan.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Kathy, I pardon me, Kathy I.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
I was also was watching one of the videos that
you were involved with, and boy, could I relate to
what you were talking about. At one point when you
were playing, you were putting so bad you wanted to
quit the game. You said it wasn't any fun anymore, and.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
That kind of thing. I played the other day.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
I played thirteen holes and I lost six golf balls,
and I walked off the course thinking I don't want
to play anymore.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
This just isn't any fun.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
How did you change your thinking at that point.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
And what did you do.

Speaker 15 (41:23):
Well?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I did so.

Speaker 15 (41:26):
I tell the story that I can hit fifteen greens
and shoot seventy five with the best of them, and
that was kind of the way I played my professional golf,
and so I just put so much pressure on my
full screen to hit it closer. I was just like
I just prayed for a captain, you know, That's how
much pressure I put on it. And I had so
little confidence and certainty in my putting, and I worked
really really hard at my putting, and I basically what

(41:48):
happened was I hated the way I felt, and that's
why we want to quit. And you know, everything we
do and don't do in space on how we get
to feel. So golf made me feel horrible about myself.
I shamed myself. You know, which sounds like I stuck.
You know this is you know, I'm not good enough.
It's all the things that we say that basically, I mean,
I'm not good enough or I'm not enough, and so

(42:09):
we shame ourselves. And that's a horrible emotion for anybody
to sit in, and golfers that we have a tendency
to do this. We can do this in the middle
of a round of golf, but we can do it
after that end result. What ultimately happened to me is
then I create a fear. This happens to a lot
of golfers of a coach that I create a fear
of the disappointment and that shame. So I knew, like
waiting for me at the end of the round was

(42:31):
a spanking, so to speak, like a picture like when
I was a little kid, my dad was a spanker,
So like if I knew that, my mom was like,
you're going to get a spank and when he gets home,
it's like that worry and that fear at the end
of their the whole day of what the end result
is going to be. We do this with our golf.
So if you think you're going to give yourself a
verbal beatdown, or if you're going to feel horrible at

(42:52):
the end of eighteen or shame yourself, then you worry
the whole round. You work really really hard. I'm trying
to prevent that from happening, and it becomes very very
very hard to perform. And so the shift for me
was and what it is for all my clients. What
I work on is that I had to shift my
identity about I was not a number. I'm not a number.

(43:13):
I'm not a score. I'm not a good shot, I'm
not a bad shot. I'm not a three pots those
all those things are neutral, and I get to have
confidence in myself. I get to shift and change the
relationship I have with myself and separate myself from the
golf my golf game. So the more that the more
that I attached that number to how I felt, and
the worst I was going to perform. And it's so

(43:35):
easy to get into that rhythm in golf where you
know we're a number or not a number. There's a
famous golf family, the Harmon family, Claude Harmon.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
And then his kids.

Speaker 15 (43:46):
You know, Craig gets Billy and Butch, who's a famous instructor.
But anyway, I spent a lot of time with Bill
Craig Harmer. I took lessons from him in Rochester, New York.
And Billy Harmon, who caddied a lot for Jayhaws at
the time. And he would see me. He would see
me after playing a tournament and I was just so
MOPy and upset, and he'd just walk by me and

(44:08):
say good shot, good person, bad shot, bad person, and
they just keep walking And I said, there, noo, what
I has to be talking about? Like I knew that
was like profound, but I couldn't get it. And you
go good round, good person, bad round, bad person, And
I'm like, he's so right, I believe him. Well, why
is he telling me that, you know? And it took
me a long time to figure out that he was
trying to subtly teach me the lesson that I was

(44:28):
attaching my S four to, you know, to myself and
how I get to talk about myself. So that's where
I started shifting day. Now, how I shifted my putting
is a totally different story. But I realized that I
was attaching my identity to my scores and that's why
golf was no fun.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
All right, I have one more for you, and it
was one of the podcasts that I listened to Saturday morning.
We talk about expectations and frustration. So if I hit
fifty five percent of fairways when I put a wood
club in my hand, and whether it's a three wood
or a driver, so if I hit, you know, five
or six out of ten fairways on average, the mic

(45:08):
that goes to the golf course thinks, on every te shot,
I want that half of the game to show up
on that tea shot I want to hit and I
expect to hit the fairway all the time. Even though
I only hit fifty five or sixty percent of them?
How do you talk yourself into the expectation of trying
to hit the fairway? But the understanding that depending on
your level game, it's you're going to miss fairways.

Speaker 15 (45:32):
Because you're because you're arguing with reality. Yes, so anytime
you argue with reality, you're going to lose. So if
you have your numbers and like fifty five percent, there's
fourteenth there. If you're playing four part, there's fourteen fairways.
If you're hit a driver up of those. So let's
say on the range, you hit spot, you hit, you
hit fifty percent of the drivers on the range. So

(45:53):
I would encourage all the listeners to get your data
so that you're not arguing with reality. So go on
the range. And usually we're in a relatively calm place,
so our brain is it rattles. We don't have to
worry about water and out of bounds and people and
scores and all the things. You're just hitting on the range.
You're pretty relaxed as long as you're in that environment.
And then see what you can do right now today.

(46:15):
Snapshot of what you can do today doesn't mean you're
stuck there doesn't mean it's not going to be tomorrow
something different. And so let's say you hit five out
of ten, because that's easy math, and you have fifty percent.
So if you go to the range and you manage
your mind really well, meaning you're not swinging from frustrated
or pissed or anxious or fear or any other emotion

(46:37):
which is totally going to trap your talent behind that emotion.
If you can swing from a place like you were
on the range, then your expectation realistically could be for
you to hit seven fairways. So then you stand up
there and when you miss a fairway, you're like, that's
who I am. I missed half of the fairways. So
don't get pissed at yourself. And that's most of the

(46:59):
time when we get frustrated, you know you you anger
or frustration comes from two main reasons. One is that
you have unmet expectations and a lot of times this
is it you're expecting yourself to hit a number that
you're that you don't have the talent level for, or
the other one is that there was an injustice because
we just get a bad bout to that break, you know,

(47:20):
with uh, look out something that just is a little bit,
you know, frustrated. In real world, this would be someone
cutting you off on the road, you know, use someone's
stealing something from you. This is what causes frustration. So
it happens on the golf course too. So if you're
getting frustrated, you want to ask yourself, was that an injustice?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Like?

Speaker 10 (47:38):
Was was I?

Speaker 15 (47:39):
Was I wronged in some way? Did someone yell in
the middle of your back swing? Or do are my
expectations exceeding reality?

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Yeah? Any buttons you want to push Dennis before we like,
can I got all?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I got all kinds of things. But I'll talk to
her an upgrader, go for it.

Speaker 15 (47:55):
I'm ready for you.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
You people are talking about confidence. Is that a mental thing?
It's confidence a mental thing?

Speaker 6 (48:04):
Well, well, well that's what we're talking about. Yeah, So
what comes first? Confidence or good shots?

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Well? Good shots?

Speaker 6 (48:12):
Oh in a while, No, No, no, fundamentals comes first.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
You gave me multiple choice.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
I know it's an option because you know, obviously, my
some of my instruct my teaching are players that are playing.
Some of the stuff you're talking about are great for
the average.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
Dude, which is what we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
Yeah, you're talking about the average dude. I'm talking about
somebody who can play golf. And what comes first, As
I told you, once you teach them the fundamentals, right yeah,
then they get confidence, then they hit good shots. So
I do it a different way. But then again I'm
realizing that she's dealing with people that are you know what, Yeah, yeah,

(48:57):
you really smart or really stupid to play this.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
See, that was my mistake. I opened it and I
should have kept this micon turned off here.

Speaker 15 (49:05):
So this might be my last time I'm on the
show and just say okay, I can you all day?
Tis because confidence, there's a difference between confidence and self confidence, right,
and so your confidence in your golf ability is going
to eb and flow. Your self confidence confidence involves the
language that you save yourself, but how you talk to

(49:26):
yourself that you having your own back, your ability to
make decisions. So I can be a very self confident
person and not have confidence in my bunker that day,
but I might have confidence in my full swing. So
your confidence being your ability or your capability is going
to eb and flow. That's why people, even tour players,
work on their swing and they go in and out

(49:46):
of ability or capability but they always can have self confidence,
which means self confidence is a state of being. It's
how you walk into a room, it's how you stand,
Paul and have your own back. And if you don't
need other people to know that you're confident that you're
good for yourself.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
Can you hear his eye roll because I can see.

Speaker 15 (50:05):
Yeah, all right, I'm gonna be I'm going to be
back in Madison for the Alabama's game. Roles High just saying,
but I'll be back to the game.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
And you can't do that.

Speaker 15 (50:17):
You have a lot of my money.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Okay, I'll give you some of the things before we
let we let her go, we should extend the congratulations
to her and Nikky who won the event here. Well,
ye when they were in town and one final thought,
we changed.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
The event now it's men only.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Oh boy, that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's a mistake. But I thought Nicky was gonna die
of that one.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Kathy, just one quick question, And now that you've played
TPC in Wisconsin and you talk about managing your mind
and that kind of thing, what thought came to you
about the average person playing this golf course in terms
of how they should think about it.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Now that you've played it.

Speaker 15 (50:58):
Oh well, I played it several times. But when I
played in that event with we, you know, we were
paired with five different groups. To some they're all men.
And I got to witness a lot of golf in
the way that people manage their mind around the golf
course and manage their games around the golf course is
they're hitting shots that they don't own, and they're trying
to hit shots that they don't own, I should say,
and when you do that out at TPC, you're gonna

(51:19):
you're gonna lose. I mean, you're gonna you're going to
especially in that format, you're going to create numbers that
aren't to your advantage. So so in other words, talk
about hitting drivers, right. TPC is demanding off the tee
and if you can't hit your ball straight, you're out
of play. And if you're out of play, you're out
of the hole. Right, So they're not they weren't. They
weren't playing they weren't playing course management very well. So

(51:40):
that was the biggest challenge. But they didn't like to
get beat by girls, so that was fun and we
could get their heads with that.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Yeah, the podcast is called think About Part It's always
good to visit with Kathy Hart. Thank you for the time.
We'll we'll hope we hopefully do it again if Dennis
allows it. Yes, oh yeah, yeah, thank you. We'll come
back in a moment. This is talking golf at TPC Wisconsin.

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You name it and they got it.

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Isn't that right?

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Joel, Your game, your store always at the best price.

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Golf game need to pick me up. It's one stop
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Speaker 1 (55:05):
Name it, and they got it. Isn't that right?

Speaker 9 (55:06):
Joel?

Speaker 8 (55:07):
Your game, your store always at the best price.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
So we've only gotten ninety seconds left, Dennis, this whole show,
you've had this small golf ball sitting on the golf Hey,
golf ball sitting on the table.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (55:25):
This is a golf ball where you guys. Dave London,
who listens to us regular he was here today. He
brought me the ball and his comment was because you
guys knew nothing about a small ball and a big ball.
And he says, were those guys that they grew up
in the swamp of Jerokee that they know nothing? This
is a small ball, Yeah, one point six two inches
in diameter. The real ball, the one your customer play,

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is one point six ' eighty inches in diameter. This
is smaller played over there because of the wind. Yeah,
and cuts the wind a lot better. Let's spin the whole.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
When did it go out?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Pardon me?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
When did they stop playing?

Speaker 11 (56:01):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (56:01):
It's been quite a while long time. Yeah, I've been
quite a while because the balls are no longer ballata.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, looks the same to me.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Those covers they used to cut. You would blade hit
an iron thin and you come back with a smile.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
This on this one. The other ones are all this,
uh this other stuff.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
You know, it's all yeah, all right, well good now
you got that. Now he got his way because he
you know, you showed us we didn't know anything. Good job, Dave,
he was here.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
We're gonna do this again, even on Labor Day. Listen,
we don't get the day off. I mean, Dennis said, no,
you'll be here and do the show on Labor Day.
So we're gonna do it next Monday. We'll we'll do
it just as normal. We'll talk to you next Monday.
Talking golf from TPC Wisconsin in Madison.

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If you're a golfer who likes a challenge, consider being
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plus other great amenities. Are you up for the TPC
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