Talking Golf 9-16-24

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Now from the new home of TPC Wisconsin and Madison,

(00:21):
here are the hosts of Talking Golf. Member of the
Wisconsin Golf Hall of Fame, the legendary Dennis Tizziani, longtime
Madison sportscaster Paul Brown, and Wisconsin sports veteran and Steve
Wife radio host Mike Callander.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Our first show was about twenty weeks ago here at
TPC and Madison, Wisconsin, and tonight is our final edition
for this summer. Welcome to Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin
along with Mike Keller, Dennis Tizziani, I'm Paul Brown, Dave McCann,
our engineer is here. And guys, it's hard to believe

(01:01):
twenty shows in the final one and tonight should be
a good one based on what happened over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, we have I think we have plenty to talk
about from what happened this weekend in South Dakota and
uh and you know there's there's not a whole lot
left in the golf season. I mean, there's certainly plenty
of golf, but I'm from a professional standpoint. You have
the President's Cup coming up in Montreal in two weeks,
and that's kind of it. The Sohonkup wrapped up this weekend,

(01:27):
and so yeah, well, well we'll have plenty to get
to and if we want to, we can start with
Steve Stricker, who's got another championship under his belt, and
yet that means he's got to go back to South
Dakota again next year to defend for the fourth time.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Three pete Yeah, on both tours, the only guy in
the history of the game to do that. Congratulations Steve, great,
thank you performance over the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Thank you so much. At A lot of fun, a
lot of but it was fun.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
It was fun when you were getting ready to start
the first playoff hole of the gentleman in the cart,
who is the who's in charge, asked for more than
one hole, but you guys didn't have to take them seriously, right.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Right, Well, I had the opportunity to end it in regulation,
and when I didn't, you know, uh, it's tough to
kind of swallows you know, as you're going into that playoff.
But fortunately I kind of kind of dodged a couple
of bullets and bullets, you know, I didn't drive it
trive really well right away in the playoffs holes, and

(02:38):
then dodged a couple of bullets for eating to make dirty.
And then you know, I got you know, I got
lucky out of the rough there where it hit the
pen and the pen was able to able to you know,
I feel like I gave it. I gave gave him
an opportunity a chance, and then I kind of dole
it at the end, you know. And and sometime on
golf and go way, it happens. It happens. But I
had the opportunity to close it out and I didn't.

(02:58):
That part kind of rubbed me. Yeah, very happy, and
he heighted that I was able to able to get
the wind. To get the wind.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
The four playoff holes were a drama tournament in and
of itself. Walk us through the maneuverings for the second
shot on the first playoff hole where the camera tower
you have that that was on a tractor you had
that moved, and walk us through what your choices were there,
because I assumed you had some choice of going left

(03:27):
or right of the tree.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, I had a choice to go left or right.
I'm not a very great cutter of the golf ball.
I can turn it over a little bit easier. I
actually the way the lay of the ground was up
in front of the green and the the fairway leading
up to the front of the green, it actually was

(03:50):
better for me to draw it because I could draw
it and then if I pulled it. Actually a little bit.
If I went to pull it, I actually thought I
could give myself a really legitimate Bertie look at it.
And I pulled it just a little bit, and that's
why I ended up left of the pin up there.
But I actually, you know, had a good look at it.

(04:14):
I was in the rough. Wasn't a great lie in
the rough. So at that point I'm like, all right,
let's just get a four and you know, push this
to another hole. And yeah, so I had an opportunity.
It was a little bit risky, but at that point
it's like it's do or die and you kind of
just do anything to keep the playoff going going.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Steve, in the second playoff hole, you were had a
very long putt there. You were taking a look at that.
Describe that because you had to go way up the
hell there, didn't you?

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, And I had that putt in regulation and left
it six or seven feet short, and then it's straight
up a hill and then the part there for if
you get it going too far or too fast past
the pin, it can kind of run away from you
there too. So it's it was a good pin location,
tough pin, especially if you don't get it up on top.
So I was able to judge that a little bit

(05:05):
better just because I had that in the in regulation,
and so I made a good put up the hill,
got it to about three feet two or three feet
And that's with this putter, is what I've been doing
a lot better, you know, making those two and three
four footers, And that part has gotten a lot more
consistent the last couple of weeks. And I've put a

(05:27):
lot of time and effort into trying to get that better,
really since missing the short little putt at AMFAM Championship.
And so I'm starting to see it pay some dividends.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
See let's uh, let's skip to the final hole and
that shot from the left hand roff where you know
you're running it up on you. You know, we kind
of figured out what your plan was there was to
run that up. But one of those rare, fantastic moments
where it's square on the pin and left you essentially

(06:00):
just a little two footter to win the tournament walk
us through that second shot on the last hole.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yeah, it was. I've been struggling driving it on that
hole with my driver. I don't turn this current driver
over as easy as previous drivers I've had, so and
it calls for right to left shot. And so the
last two times playing eighteen, I hit three wood off
there and got it in the fairway on the second

(06:30):
playoff hole, and then the final playoff hole, I hit
three wood again over overcooked it turned it over a
little bit too much and got up there and it
was not a great lie. I had a one hundred
and forty two or one hundred and forty five yards
to the hole, but I only had like one hundred
and you know, I think one hundred and six or

(06:50):
eight to the front of the green. So it's weird, right,
I have thirty some paces out. It's a real long green,
and the ball was going to come out hot no
matter which way or which club I took and it
was between a wedge and a nine iron, and it
was sitting down on the bottom in the ground, you know,
hard ground and grass all around it. So I just

(07:10):
I figured I'd just chip a little nine iron and
get it rolling, and came out pretty good, a little hot,
but it just landed about eight or ten yards on
and I just tried to roll it up the hill,
and yeah, it's a lucky break, right, you get it
where you hit that in dead square like that. It
probably would have been on the back fringe, which I
would have loved to have, you know, take that shot

(07:32):
as well, but I was tired of hitting it, you know,
forty feet away on the lower half, so I was
trying to get up there on top for a change,
and it looked like it almost was going to go in,
but I saw a replay it. I don't think it
was ever going to go in, but definitely the pin
saved the day there and gotten away and gave me
a nice two two and a half foot her to

(07:54):
win the tournament.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Stave, you won thirty tournaments on the PGA and the
PGA Champion's Tour, But you look back at what you've
accomplished over your career, but this I would think had
to be one of the more gratifying wins for you,
for a lot of different reasons. And you said post
game yesterday, the monkey's off my back.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
And that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I know, you wanted to win a golf tournament for
a lot of different reasons, right.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, I mean obviously the obvious one. I've been trying
to win, you know, one for my dad. Had him
and my thoughts a lot this year, you know, you know,
literally a couple of tournaments. You know, I had, you know,
struggle with emotions. You know, I am fam I struggle
with emotions with four or five holes to play, and

(08:45):
I got a four shot lead, and you know, I
learned really quickly that that wasn't very good. And yeah,
I just, you know, maybe it was meant to be
that way all year, to have him on my mind
literally every tournament that I played in and trying to win.
Uh so I could just really honor him and what

(09:08):
he's meant, you know to me over the course of
my life, not only as a golfer, but as a
person and the values that he taught me, you know,
growing up as a kid. So and like I said,
maybe that was what it was meant to be, that
I was supposed to really think about them all year long,
and and I have and and I'll continue to obviously,
and and but yeah, it was nice to get it

(09:30):
there to three pete. You know, no one ever has
done that on both tours and the you know, Andy
North being the the tournament host an ambassador for Sandford,
and you know, it's been a special place for me
there and you know, I get a lot of support there,
a lot of people rooting for me, and it's it's
been a cool spot.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well what is it, Steve? And maybe there isn't a
single reason, But what is it about about the course
at John Deere and then at Sandford? Is there something
about that course that suits your game? Maybe better? Obviously
first one that's done, as you just mentioned, the three
peat both on the tour and on the Champions Tour.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't really know what it is,
you know, but as soon as you win one, you know,
you have this affiliation with the course in the area
of the people, and then you win another, and then
you know, you get this confidence level going around there
that you know it's your place. You know this is
your tournament, and this is the one that you should win,

(10:32):
and you go in there with the confidence no one
you're gonna play well. And I've been playing okay. I
haven't played a lot. I started to show some really
good signs last week when I played in Saint Louis,
and it's really been the putter. I'm hitting the ball fine.
I'd still do enough good things. I think my driver
could be a little bit better, but it's really been

(10:55):
just the shortest club in my bag, and it's probably
not even the shortest club in my back asymore. It's something
I've worked hard with and trying to get right in
my mind. And I'm you know, excited about the future
with this thing because I hit the putts a lot

(11:16):
more consistently on my line. My speed isn't always the
best yet with this thing, but as you could see
when I had the opportunity to win, I left it
short from six or eight feet, and I think the
heaviness of the putter I'm still trying to get used to,
and the speed is is still a little tricky, but
I'm starting it on my line. I'm using a line

(11:37):
on my ball now which I've never ever you know done,
but it seems to really help when I get in there.
At you know that three, four, five, six, I even
use it. At seventeen the line lined up my putter
and the ball and to my line on the ball,
and I just had a confidence, you know that it's

(11:59):
a little bit easier to start on my line. And
I'm scaring the whole lot. They're not all going in,
but they're they're definitely I'm honing in on it. And
uh so that's exciting. So it's uh, it was a
good week and and I'm doing some good things and
now it's time to put the club's away.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I was gonna say the last one for me, Steve
that we visited a couple of weeks ago. You said
you were to play in Saint Louis and then in Stanford.
Now is that it?

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (12:23):
What is uh?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
What is your plan.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Until December? I I The real reason is, well, there's
two really good reasons, and one of them is I
love the fall time to be home and do some
other things. And but the second issue that I've been
having is in my lower back, and I I this
si joined of mine and the lower right has been
giving me fits the last you know, month or two

(12:49):
and and I struggled with it a lot during the
pro am in the first round this week, I found
a treatment that I helped me kind of get through
the last two days in South Dakota. So I got
to get that ironed out, whatever that is. I don't know.
I'll go see a guy who's helped me with my
back before and see if I can't get some relief

(13:11):
there somehow. But I'm losing some power. I haven't been
able to work out like I normally have been able
to because of this, So I need to kind of
get that fixed, get stronger again. And yeah, I want
to continue to play. I don't know if i'll you know,
I'm never going to play a lot of golf in
a year, but I want to be able to play
those twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen events, whatever it is. But

(13:34):
I want to be healthy when I do it. So
that's my next step is to get that right.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Steve, when you're sitting at a deer stand this fall
and you have time to think about it a little
bit and relax, and you're by yourself, and you look
at your history of what you've been able to accomplish
in the game, Dennis talks about your history has been
in the future. Well, that history is now established, and
obviously you've had a very second successful career. You kind

(14:02):
of set a mark, haven't you. For is he and
Bobby and the family and everything with the success you've
had and that.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, again, I've always said, hey, don't try to do
that some of the things that I do. You're your
own person and you can do great things and put
your mind to whatever you want to do, and but
don't try to compare, you know, I don't think it's fair.
And they can write their own history, right, and they
can do whatever they want to do and take it
as far as they want, you know. I mean we've

(14:31):
nicky and I have never pressured them into playing. They
they have chosen to play. And I remember Izzy, She's like,
I'm not going to play. I don't want to play.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
You guys do that.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
I mean, I'm gonna do something else.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Well, she's she's gotten the.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Bug, and she's potentially has, you know, a lot of
potential going forward. So she's working at hard and I
try to help her as much as I can. And
but yeah, we're all our own people, and they should
do whatever they want to do and follow their own

(15:08):
footsteps and achieve their greatness. So I've just been blessed
and fortunate to be able to play. And you know,
all this Champions Tour stuff and Captaincy's have all been
icing on the cake for a wonderful time that we've
had with this game.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, we certainly appreciate watching you play, but more importantly,
thank you for your contribution to the show, Steve. It
helps us a lot, and we appreciate your coming on
the show.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Thank you very much for that, and all.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Got thank you and a good job with the show
again this year. It's I know I can't be on
there every week, nor should I be probably, And then
you guys, it's fun to listen to and you're doing
a great job. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Thank you sure yeah, good stuff from Steven A good
win this weekend. And Gary Demato is going to be
on next you know why because he's leaving to the
to the Robert Trent Jones Tour. He's going to go
down and play the Alabama courses tomorrow. He's leaving, so
you got to get him today. So it worked out
pretty well. Then he goes on vacation.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Should we check with word?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
How about that your grandson Threepete, the only guy in
the history of the game to do it. Grandson her grandson.
I'm sorry, in law, not grandson, sorry n in law.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
There.

Speaker 8 (16:29):
Well, you know, he's a he's a good he's a
good player, you know. And I'm happy that he's making
the adjustment. Putting something that happens as you get older.
There's a little bit of flinch.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
That goes on.

Speaker 8 (16:47):
And uh. His methodology of putting before was uh, you know,
and opening a closed type situation. And we've had the
discussion a number of times. Usually I get an opportunity
to just talk about a few things that you can't
have an opinion on, and then it's a little while

(17:11):
later he hits on something, Yeah, that we he admits
that we did twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
It's funny, yet a guy with all of his opinions,
this guy in the middle, it tis all of his opinions.
He loves talking about stuff you can't have an opinion on.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Well, it's a fact.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I know, I see where you're going. Okay, yeah, no.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
But he you know, you know is I'll tell you
his history is going to continue on that business of
history is just going to continue going where people are
going to try to. There's going to be He's setting
the mark in the bars. The bar is so high
as it gets into the senior. There is nobody that

(17:54):
I can see out there on the horizon that's supposed
to be Ernie the whole business.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah that even.

Speaker 8 (18:02):
You know, Bernhard won all those tournaments in a row,
and I'll give him his due, but yeah no, there's
a long ways they have to go, you know, to do.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
He's proud of them, I know he is. Gary Demato
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
Back with you. It's Talking Golf on Monday. This is
our final Talking Golf of the twenty twenty four season.
We hope to return next April, and when we do
at this golf course, it'll be in advance of the
Infant Championship making its TPC Wisconsin debut next June. I

(21:56):
know somebody who will be here for the entirety then,
and that is Gary Motto of Wisconsin dot Golf, who
joins us now.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
For the final Tis lets him in the bill, you know,
you know.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Tiz will let him on. I mean you can sneak
in on some of the other sides over there, right,
that'd be in here. Gary. We just had Steve on
and what a tremendous win, and obviously from those who
stuck around and watched the post match interview when it
all wrapped up, a very emotional finish to the golf

(22:29):
season for Steve.

Speaker 15 (22:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
You know, I was so happy for Steve. I texted him,
just told him I was I was really happy for him.
You know, I was thinking today, you know, he went
twelve times on the regular tour, now eighteen times on
the Champions Tour. That's thirty PGA Tour sanctioned victories. And
I'm thinking, I got to look it up, but I
can't imagine that there's more than twenty five or thirty

(22:52):
guys who have, you know, combined for that many victories
on the two tours. It's He's had an amazing career.
It ain't over yet either, but it's amazing. It's been
fun to watch him.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Gary.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
There's no way he can be kept out of the
Hall of Fame eventually.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Agree, disagree, agree.

Speaker 7 (23:09):
I mean, I just hate how so many voters are
hung up on major championships. You know that they just are.
I mean, there's no getting around that. But if you
look at everything else. I mean, my goodness, President's Cup captain,
Ryder Cup captain, record scores for both of them, victories
for the US there, thirty victories on the two tours,

(23:30):
everything he's done off the course with his foundation and
the American Family Insurance Championship. I mean, you add it
all up, and that says Hall of Famer to me.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, and I would go back to that, reiterate what
you said to me. His majors are the two cups,
the President's Cup and the Ryder Cup that he captains,
and the wins there those there's no getting around. Those
are majors, and those are major wins that count. And
his statistical categories.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
To me, yeah, absolutely. And then you know he's won
seven majors on the champions Tour. And people might say, well,
it's the Champions Tour, but I'll tell you what.

Speaker 12 (24:07):
You know, the US.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
Senior Open and the Majors one, those are not easy
championships to win. There's seventy two holders and it's you know,
the best fifty euro golfers in the world and all older.
And to win seven of those things, I mean there's
only a couple of guys who have won more so. Yeah.
I mean you can point to so many different facets
of his career that he's excelled in, and I think
he should. You know, I hope the voters. I used

(24:30):
to be on that voting panel. I'm not anymore, but boy,
if I had a vote, i'd both for them.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Gary, when you used to be on, was there any
specific area in the bylaws or the requirements at that
time that absolutely said you have to win a major
to be there?

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Do you know that? Say?

Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, it's been a while. It's probably been ten years
since I was on that voting panel, and I don't
recall that there being any you know, like the LPGA
has those set in stone rules that they have to
accumulate so many points to get in the Hall of Fame,
and they don't have a lot of members of their
Hall of Fame. But I don't recall that. But I
do recall. I mean, it's just like it's like any

(25:15):
other Hall of Fame voting people get stuck on things.
For instance, I think Pete Grove should be in the
Baseball Hall of Fame. He did a bad thing. He's
bet on baseball, but what he did on the field,
I mean, how can he not be in the Hall
of Fame. Nobody's ever going to touch the record he
said for most hits. And the same thing with golf.
I think, you know, if people can just get past
that major, you win one major, how is that? You know,

(25:38):
how is that much different than winning, you know, thirty
times on the two tours? How does that elevate you
over that?

Speaker 12 (25:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'm in agreement with you. And in the sports that
I talk about in cover and we talk about Hall
of Fame quarterbacks, they want you to have won super
Bowls and if you win multiples, you're an automatic. And
I just I don't believe it's simply that cut and dried,
and especially in that as a team sport. But you know,
people are going to have their own votes and their

(26:04):
own opinions on it. Let me ask a question about
what you've got going on. You're going to go play
the Robert Trent Jones trail. Now, I got a question
for Tis when we come about and we'll get back
to Gary on this, but we talk about course designers,
Robert Trent Jones, Trent Jones, Junior, Pete Dye, the ones
that are most well known, What did you like or

(26:25):
dislike about what they did, and do you acknowledge and
honor what they have done? Is their place in golf.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
All three are target golf people. Yeah, so you had
to have a target, and they appeal to those people
that are owning going to hit it. So far, I
was on two committees to things with Trent Jones Jr. Yeah,
in Century World and UW Yeah, and everything was target golf.

(26:54):
And since that time they've changed. In fact, I don't
know if maybe it's a seventh hold or so. I
played in the opening round of the tournament of the
of the of the golf course at Central World, John
Jonas and I and and uh, we got on the
par five and you got to hit it down over here,
hit it like this, and then you hit it over

(27:14):
here and then you go on. But I got on
the tee and I aimed to the left and he said,
where are you going. I said, I'm going to go
over the water here. So I hit it over the water,
hit a nine iron to the second shot on the
par five and the next day the machines were out
putting the key back, you know, so uh they you know,

(27:35):
I think that you get there are some designers out
there today that are modern golf type of thing that's
old even central world.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
You saw who was leading the tournament at the senior tournament,
Jerry Kelly short hitter. I was in the faraway Steve Stricker,
short hitter, always in the fairway for hard longer.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah, stay hard. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, so you know, you.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Know, design they tried to tough it up a different way,
but today that's not the that's not the way the
game is played.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Gary, I imagine you're looking forward to this trip down
there to be on the trail.

Speaker 15 (28:16):
I am.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
Yeah, I've never you know, I played all over obviously,
you know, played Myrtle Beach and played Gulph of Florida
and Arizona and most of the major destinations, but I've
never played you know, I've heard great things about that
Robert Trent Jones Trail. I know I'm going to be
in the Huntsville area and I think there's six courses
we're playing in five days, so it's a lot of golf.
But yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I hear great

(28:39):
things about those courses.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Gary.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
You did were involved with coverage of the old Hickory tournament,
and you said you were anxious to see it last
week when we had you on, the event hadn't totally
taken place yet.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
What'd you think.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
You know, it's funny because they all wear I made
a mistake of calling him costumes and some guy got
mad at me. Maybe out they're outfits, not costumes, so
I got that. But you know, they outwear Nickers, the
plus fours and the Ben Hogan kind of news boy
caps and all that, and they get into it. But

(29:17):
they're really into that, into the Hickory golf. And I
watched this guy named Paolo Querici from Switzerland who played
on the VP World for the European Tour for thirteen years,
and all he does is play Hickory golf. He's Fudo America.
It's the Kenosha, just to play in this tournament. And
I watched them more often. He had a niblet, which
was a wedge, you know, Hickory shafted niblic with the

(29:39):
skinny blade, and he was hitting these beautiful little sixty
yard shots. He hit about twelve shots swarming up and
they were all with within ten feet of each other.
I mean, I don't know how those guys can control
those clubs because they look to me like they're really
hard to hit. But by that fun day out there
at Kenosha and met a lot of interesting people. They're
really serious about their hickory golf.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Let me tell you, no, kid, let me finish with
this and then we'll let you go. And I know
you're leaving on your trip tomorrow. You've Wisconsin Dot Golf
does a fantastic job. We talked about it every time
that we've had you on this year, and it's a
fantastic work that you and Rob and others do with it.
I know you've got a story coming up later this
week Birdie Bombs, which kind of combines a little alcohol.

(30:22):
I think a little company that's doing that. You got
a story coming out this week?

Speaker 7 (30:26):
Yeah, I got a story coming out probably being Friday
on our website about Birdie Bombs. This guy from O'conamwak,
a former football player, E. W. Whitewater, played on a
couple of National Championship Division three teams and he came
up to this idea to sell these They're very low
alcohol content. They're like thrudy kind of you know alcohol drinks,

(30:48):
but they're shots, and they're packaged to look like golf balls.
They come in sleeve the three or a box like
a dozen, like you ad buy golf balls. And you know,
he's found his way onto bever cart beverage carts out
of Wisconsin golf courses. I don't know, kid, if you're
going to have him out a TPC at some point,
but he's got a good thing going.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
I think, hey, he's got he's got strict nine beer here. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
Yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Is not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I'm gonna well, yeah, kills that idea and hurry. Yeah listen, Gary,
thank you. We appreciate having you on. I look forward
to the to the content and your insights all season long.
I hope that you'll come back with us next spring
and enjoy your trip as well.

Speaker 12 (31:30):
Thanks.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
I had a great time this year you guys. Thanks
so much.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Gary Dematto, really good. We're going to talk a lesson
segment coming up with Travis and in that it'll be
to help you prepare for the off season. We don't
want to think it's coming, but it is. Uh So,
Travis will take us through a little golf instruction into
the off season program. You'll hear that when we come back.
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Speaker 3 (35:03):
Rector of Instruction here at TPC Wisconsin in Madison. I
want to talk about as we get closer. We're not
there yet, but as we get closer, we'll talk about
heading into the offseason and what people can do. Players
can do to take care of offseason preparation. But first,
let me start with your junior program, your PGA Junior
League state champions and what So many of the kids

(35:26):
here have been able to accomplish in part due to
the lesson program, but also in part due to their
dedication to the game.

Speaker 19 (35:34):
Yeah, we are very fortunate to have some fantastic juniors
under our instruction arm and also members here at TPC Wisconsin.
Just to talk about some of their highlights. Yes, our
thirteen UPGA Junior League team did win the Section championship
and we'll be representing Wisconsin here in a week or
so in Lake Geneva. We did have fifteen kids this

(35:57):
year that did receive college golf scholarships. That's crazy, and
we work with about fifty kids that are currently playing
college golf. We had fifty WPGA Tour Junior Tour wins
this summer. In twenty twenty four, there's one event left
and I believe the Player of the years come down
to two members of TPC Wisconsin, Lincoln Hotman and Cade Wheeland,

(36:20):
and both great players and great kids. We did have
twenty one boys that received All state team playing recognitions
YEA and right now we're right in getting into the
girls season that just started for high school, which we
have about forty girls that under our umbrella that take
lessons with us, and then the college teams are going

(36:41):
strong right now, so it's a ton of fun and
it's great to watch everything.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
How do you handle so the high school girls that
are playing now on the high school competitive high school
golf season which is underway, they have coaches. Some of
those coaches are administrators, but some of them are coaches.
How do you handle where there's no step on somebody's
toes from the instruction of a player under your tutelage

(37:06):
that also has a coach.

Speaker 19 (37:08):
Sure, we pretty much work with all of our students
year round and a lot of the coaches will call
us or they will ask what we're working on with
that particular player. This is our kind of our business
that we do every single day. And most of the
coaches and all of what most of our teachers and
don't have the background to really give good golf instruction,

(37:29):
they're awesome at coaching and helping with the mental side
of the players. So we do a lot of that,
but it's a team effort. We're all there to support
the kid and help the kid.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Does it change when they're collegiate golfers.

Speaker 19 (37:41):
I would say the college coaches are almost more so
telling their students to reach out to their swing coach
again and again. We communicate with a lot of those
coaches as well what we're working on with the kids,
and we're on the same page.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I have one more here, and then I want to
talk about off season prep. So we have Kathy Hart
on the show, and then assume that you have met
her and spent some time around here less. Yes, that
side of the game, that the coaching, the mental side,
the positive thinking and handling failure, because golf is a
game that has lots of failure. How much is that

(38:16):
integral in the development of a player and how do
you handle that part as a teacher.

Speaker 19 (38:22):
I actually use Kathy as a referral to a number
of my students that are looking for more of that
mental game work, and she does a fantastic job. And
every student of mind that has come back from working
with a mental coach, I think takes a positive takeaway
from it and gives them practices and ways to think

(38:43):
a little differently when they're on the golf course.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
All right, So let I hate to do it, but
you know winter is coming. We just can't avoid it
is going to show up. So let me ask about
off season prep for those players who, whether they're a
eighteen handicap or a for handicap, how they approach the
offseason and some advice you have in that regard.

Speaker 19 (39:04):
Sure, I would say kind of October November is a
great time to really evaluate your game from this year,
you know. And when I say that, I mean how
was your fairways, hit, your greens in regulation, your short game,
you're chipping your putting, and as you go through the
different parts of the game, write down some goals for

(39:24):
twenty twenty five. You know, maybe I averaged thirty four
putts and I want to average thirty pots. Well, I
could save four shots off my game right there. Maybe
my driver accuracy wasn't very good, I hit thirty percent
of my fairways. And then what you can do with
these goals is then find a coach that you can
work with and develop an off season program that's going

(39:45):
to really focus on your weaknesses.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
How much is fitness a part of that or can
it be part of that at least as a way
to augment what you're doing on your basic fundamentals. The
fitness level, which is the golf civic fitness is different
than going to your local club and doing classes of
that are just of the ordinary type variety.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
Correct.

Speaker 19 (40:08):
We're fortunate enough here at TPC Wisconsin, we have a
TPI certified fitness coach on our team that can actually
run you through an assessment and take a look at
your swing and take a look at your body and
maybe there's tight hips, are bad back, or something that's
prohibiting you from making the correct movements. And as you

(40:29):
work on these things, your swing can get better without
even working on the swing.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (40:34):
So I think for our very competitive players, I would
say ninety percent of them are on some sort of
off season training program. Then I would say for our
older clientele, a lot of them are doing it for
preventative maintenance on body parts, you know, shoulders, hands hips, back,
and even if you feel better, you're going to play better.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
You some people there's an individual preference about taking time
away from the game as far as the swing and
then beginning again at some point. That's an individual preference.
But it is also a great time of year to
read and to get into the mental side of the
game or to just find those instruction. So what are

(41:15):
your tips on books and reading different elements to get
better at certain things.

Speaker 19 (41:20):
Sure, there's a lot of really good books out there
if you if you go and take a look at
some of those things that Bob Rutello does a really
nice job. I love to listen to some of the
podcast and take ideas away from that. There's some really
good mental things that come out of like the Navy Seals, Sure,
and how they prepare and it's amazing how it kind

(41:41):
of goes right onto the golf course and you can
take a lot of those same practices too, slow your
breathing and be confident and calm over the shot. But
it's a it's a great time to work on that.
Yoga's good, there's meditating that's good, all of that to
help the mental game for for you to become a
better golfer.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah, and you know, we have Kathy on the show
every now and then. Her podcast is Think Above par
And the cool thing about her podcast is they're like
twelve to fourteen minutes long, so you don't have to
commit to an hour ninety minute podcast. They're quick and
also incredibly positive thinking, because this game can it can

(42:20):
beat you up. And I know you've been around players
who sometimes lose the love for the game because they
take it to the point where it beats them up bad.

Speaker 19 (42:28):
I do it's I've seen it not only from juniors
but from adults, where you know you're playing the game
usually to go have fun and enjoy it. But if
you are constantly beating yourself up, pretty soon you're going
to give the game up and take up fishing. And
me being in the golf business, we don't want that
to happen. So even driving to your practice session, put

(42:51):
on Kathy on the radio and listen to her for
ten twelve minutes and get some positive vibes gone. But
as much as you practice your short game, in your
long game and your driver and your potter, you should
be working on your mental game.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Travis has been good stuff all season long. I appreciate you,
and you're incredible at what you do. Your insights are valuable,
and thanks for being with us so much. Thanks for
having me talking. Golf returns in just a couple of
minutes right here at TPC Wisconsin.

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Yeah, we're back at TPC Wisconsin here in Madison on
our final show with a year along with Mike Keller,
Dennis Tizziani, I'm Paul Brown, and Bobby Stricker has been
a regular.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
We certainly appreciated her being on the show.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
And Bobby, before we talk about I'm sure you're getting
closer to total preparation and stuff coming up, but before
we talk about that, for the rest of the Stricker family,
it had to be a fun weekend this past weekend.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Huh, guess it was.

Speaker 15 (46:56):
You know, my dad had to play and that ended
up being out the really cool thing. He got a
WS that was cool. But the girls were home. We
got to attend the Wisconsin Alabama games, so you know,
we were kind of split up this weekend, but we
all we all had fun and super excited for my

(47:16):
dad for getting at w yesterday.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Did you uh did you not go with an Alabama
fan as part of the game Saturday?

Speaker 6 (47:27):
I did?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, But were you in our.

Speaker 15 (47:31):
In our in our teating area, we had a few
Bama fans, so uh huh.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
There were a lot of them. Bobby, Yeah, they let
us have it.

Speaker 15 (47:42):
But you know, it's okay. We had fun. Anyway, I
feel badly for our football team and our quarterback now
hearing what happened to him today, But it was a
fun It was a fun time. And obviously a game
that like this has been on a schedule for a
lot of years, so games that be obviously all this

(48:02):
look forward to. And campus was so so so cool,
like I've ever seen campus like that before with all
the people that came and there were a lot of
bam of people there, which it was just a really
cool atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Well, a year from now, we'll get to go down
to U Tusca, Lucid. Let me ask you. I know
that when we've talked over the last couple of weeks,
you wanted to decompress and enjoy and uh and live
a little bit of life over the last few weeks.
But now it goes back into UH to getting real
and preparing for what is less than right about a
month from now at the next round of Q Schools.

(48:35):
So give us a sense of what the next few
weeks for you looks like leading into that tournament.

Speaker 15 (48:42):
Yeah, yeah, I'll start to this week. Really, I had
to do something today. I worked an out today as
a piece of crows. That was kind of fun. But yeah,
really starting to seek I'll probably you know, just started
to change kind of my mental till this tune a
little bit. My dad's going to be around with my teacher,

(49:05):
so just to to you know, work on some things
with him, play with him.

Speaker 17 (49:11):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (49:12):
I still got some friends that are around. Some of
the guys on the on the men's side of things
have been coming to play TPC, which has been I
think I talked about this a couple of weeks ago,
which has just been a really cool thing for me
because I got really really good players that are also
there preparing for Q school also, so they'll be around.

(49:32):
I'm for sure going to play with them, and yeah,
actually try to go down to the courses that I
am going to play in Venice, Florida next month. My
dad is playing in one of his last tournaments or
his last tournament of his season in Jacksonville at the
end of this month's beginning of October, So I think

(49:55):
I'll probably go down there watch him and then try
to play those courses just a couple of weeks then
before I gotta go back to play in the real thing.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Bobby. The last thought from me as you'd go ahead
and get ready for this, what is a give me
a sense of maybe one of the areas in the
game that you're gonna want to sharpen before you're tested
again at the next round for Q School.

Speaker 12 (50:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (50:24):
So I've only been to stage two one other time,
and the grass in Florida is just way different, even
from the grass that I played California. It's a lot
more grainy and just like around the greens is just
way different. And I remember that being the short game

(50:48):
and Eddie tournament, especially as you get like like accelerated level.
It's just a very important thing because if you're gonna
miss greens, then you need to get a up and
down a majority of the time. So short games. We
got that great new short game range at Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

(51:10):
you're gonna be gonna be wearing that out. Obviously not
the same kind of grass that Florida's I have, but
just to hone in some of those shots I sunker
play all of those things, So for sure going to
work on that, and then it was a it was
a longer course I remember last the last time I
played it. So make sure those sparaway woods are are

(51:33):
dialed in.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Also really good, Bobby, thanks for the for all the
content this year. Thanks for being part of the show
on a regular basis. You know, we're all thinking of
you and wishing you all the best next month and
we'll be paying close attention and we're all on your side.

Speaker 15 (51:48):
Well, thank you. I've had so much fun this whole
season and you know I love all you guys, so
we'll do it again.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, very good, Go get them, Bobby. Bobby Stryker is
going to play in the second round of Q School
coming up next month in Florida, which will give.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Us obviously was on the road somewhere.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, and you know, Tizzy, you talk about it and
that second round, second stage. She's been there once before,
so she has a little bit of an idea of
what lays in wait. But it is siffer competition. Everybody
here has done what she's done so far and it
ramps up a little bit. But you're playing against your
own game rather than playing against somebody else.

Speaker 8 (52:29):
She's a better player today though she was a year ago,
and she's you know, better at every phase. And probably
the biggest part is the mental part where she knows
she can compete and you know, I keep telling them
to go to play against somebody with somebody where you
can get your butt beat, you know.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
Yeah, And that's what she's done. So she's she's out there.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
She's got like you say, some guys that are playing
on the senior to on the foreign tours are playing here.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
So she got to see that this is what it takes.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Yeah, Wisconsin did that Saturday. They played against somebody where
they got there. But whoopton, you know, that's just you
do learn in how you get up from defeat and
failure and getting knocked around a little bit. What you
do next is an important thing. They're going to do
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Speaker 8 (53:22):
Finding athletes have sharp memories.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 12 (55:43):
Hi, I'm showing Clary. When you construct a clarybuilding, you
become part of the amazing Clary team we are so
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crane getting close to go for the green with a
new Cleary building like the one at TPC Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
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before you hit your next shot.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
After your round, you can relax at the completely renovated clubhouse.

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Speaker 3 (56:48):
So we come back, Final time, final segment of this
year's editions of Talking Golf. A big thank you to
Dave McCant because he's out here giving these things set
up every week. There's a lot of stuff. It's as
nice as it's gonna get. What Dave does is is
a lot, and tis a thank you to you. You
got a lot on your plate. But to sit here

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with us and talk a little golf, and I wanted
to get into more topics this year, and we did.
We talked more about the things that I think i'll
officionados like to talk about. So I know you got
a few things going on, but it's nice of you
to sit with us and share an opinion, which is
share an opinion.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
It's a struggle, you know. You know, I got to understand.

Speaker 8 (57:29):
I enjoy it a lot, and I don't know how
many places have their own radio show, and then to
be with members of my club on this show, yeah,
I don't know where you could write a better script.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
It's a good thing, and Paul, you know how much.
And I'll just say this as we get ready to
sign off. It's it's always been fantastic to work alongside
of you because I listened to you for all those
years and I think you're just one of the great
broadcasters that we've had. Calling hockey the way you did
for all those years. It still takes me back and

(58:03):
I think your voice is consummate with that. So I
appreciate the chance to spend another year on Monday nights
working with you as well.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
It was Thank you very much for being part of
the show. It's been a great addition.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, seriously, really enjoyed Hugger.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
No, that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
That's all the niceties are all done now. When we
hopefully will reconvene in the spring. You never know how
things work, but that's the plan is for us to
be back in early April next year, and when we
are will be in advance of the tournament, the NFAM
Championship Tournament that will be played on this golf course,

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TPC Wisconsin in Madison. We're incredibly blessed to have a
course of this caliber here and to have the tournament
coming here next year, and to be here to do
the show is fantastic. So we're very fortunate in what
we get to do. A big thank you to Steve
Stricker who joined us so many times throughout the season,
to Bobby and Lizzie who's been on a couple of times.

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We even talked to Nicki and Gary Demato and the
whole crew and Travis for doing the lesson segments all
season long.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
We hope to be back in the spring, and we
hope when we are that you will join us for
one final time this year talking golf from TPC Wisconsin
in Madison,