Talking Golf 9-2-24

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin is on the air. Far
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Top Exteriors, Cleary Building Corp. And Nevada Bobbs. Now from
the new home of TPC Wisconsin and Madison. Here are
the hosts of Talking Golf. Member of the Wisconsin Golf
Hall of Fame, the legendary Dennis Tizziani, longtime Madison sportscaster
Paul Brown, and Wisconsin sports veteran and Steve Wife radio

(00:42):
host Mike Callander.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
And we welcome you in on this labor day Mike
Keller along with Dennis, and we're going to talk to
Steve in a couple of minutes. Paul Brown is here too. Yeah. Well,
sometimes you guys switch chairs. I'm not sure which.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Ones which we's okay, I'm forgettable.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh you are never forgettable. We're gonna talk Steve in
a couple of minutes. Scotty Scheffler wrapped up a FedEx
Cup tournament championship yesterday by winning at Eastlake Country Club
in Atlanta. Of course it had been totally remodeled. He
won twenty five million dollars for winning the FedEx Cup
one about sixty two plus million dollars on tour this year.

(01:26):
He's the first player to win seven times in a
season since Tiger. So you want to talk about the
player that is most dominant right now in the world
of golf, and there's no question it is Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Now keep in mind we're.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Going to go to money. Oh we're talking money. I
sell leam in your eye.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Half the team that Tiger Woods played against left and
went to another tour.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yep, okay, I just rest my case.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh whoa, we were going money. Let me ask you
about an interesting scenario that played out over the weekend
see the gala on Saturday, called a penalty on himself
in the bunker. He felt like on his takeaway that
out of the corner of his eye thought he moved
some grains of sand. I think it's an antiquated rule.
But that he called the ruling on himself.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Cost him two and a half million.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well yeah, it cost him two shots, which cost him
two and a half million. When it was all said
and done, Dennis, your I mean, this is a game
that's built on integrity. Whether there was a penalty there
or not. He called it on himself and that was
the end of the story.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Well, that's the game. It's honesty, and those are the
two rules, honesty and integratory to recruited all the rules
that are on. However, you know, I'm looking at him
when he's looking at a long distance, he's squinting all
the time.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Maybe he can't see very good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, So NBC had the coverage of the weekend. Dan
Hicks again did a fantastic job in this good book.
The video of that shot shows nothing. I mean it
shows nothing. They did look at the video before he
signed his work hard to see if they can determine
anything in the way. Sahath said it in his post
round interview. He said there wasn't definitive video evidence one

(03:08):
way or the other. So the penalty struck.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Is two shots too much for that? Dennis? Why is
it too in your mind?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Why do they have out of bounds? Yeah, same type
of deal, you know why, you know you need to
lose a stroke and distance. It's very penal That business
of two strokes that he called on himself. I like
the fact that people are you know, it's honesty or whatever.
But I see so much of this other stuff that's

(03:37):
going on out there that people are not all like him. Yeah,
and one of them is where they're they're holding the
putter way up here, embracing the putter. Some of those
guys are cheating.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, because they're anchoring.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
They're anchoring absolutely, and they know that.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Anyway, I'm happy for him that he did what he did.
A worry started from and a worries progressed to and
he's going to you on that Ryder Cup team. He's
going to be a tough dude to beat.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
All Right, let's welcome in Steve Stricker, who joins us
now on the program. Steve, thanks for jumping in here,
and happy Labor Day to you. I think he played
a little bit over the weekend. You got the Stevens
point play at the Central World.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
Yeah, Nikki and I are on our way back. We
h it's a fun place for us to go to.
It's always in great shape, and it's quiet, it's it's
a lot of fun. And they did a nice job
with the Redo and we We've gone up there a
couple times this year just to go and play.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
Steve would want to chat with you a little bit
about Scotti Scheffler. But I've got some interesting numbers for
you guys. Okay, are you ready for this?

Speaker 8 (04:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Numbers are good.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
He won sixty two point five million this year. Yeah,
came out to twelve thousand dollars a shot per shot,
all right, eight and thirty thousand dollars around three point
three million per tournament.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Steve, those are pretty number numbers.

Speaker 9 (05:08):
Like all those numbers, why go to live right.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Cooking?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Uh, he's really impressive, Steve. What he's not? He's first
to win seven times in a single season since Tiger
did it. Tiger did it a couple of times. What
is it about his game that impresses you? And I
know he impressed you enough obviously for the Ryder Cup
a few years ago.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
Yeah, he's first of all, he's a great guy, good
family guy. Just when we played with him in a
PGA prior to the Ryder Cup, Nikki was caddying and
and uh when when we walked away from that, we
talked about him and and uh he got her approval.

Speaker 9 (05:53):
I know that.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
And it just was one of those guys that is
easy to be around, would do anything for you. And yeah,
he's just his game is incredible, right, It's his footwork
is a little unorthodox, but other than that, I mean
he does everything.

Speaker 9 (06:17):
He's part over the.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Last year or two, but he s bought his way
through that, and you know, he just does everything so well.
And obviously you must think very well because he just
can't do one piece. You got to do them all
and thinking is a big part of it. So obviously
his his brain is is very strong as well.

Speaker 7 (06:43):
Steve Orthough back quickly, just one more thought. Are those
numbers even staggering to you in terms of the.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (06:52):
Those are?

Speaker 6 (06:53):
Those are incredible, aren't they? And h yeah, you know,
I mean the level of consistency is the thing I
was looking him up yesterday as well. I mean he's
he had fifteen top tens I think out of the
eighteen tournaments that he played in, so that that's incredible.
Just to have that consistency and the opportunity to win

(07:16):
each and every time he tees it up. So cool
to see because he's a good guy and you know,
he continues with that success, which is fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So there was an impressive moment yesterday if I stayed
on the Scotti Scheffler topic for one more question. He
puzzled one out of the bunker. He shanks one out
of the bunker, and then he makes a bogey and
the lead is cut down to two shots. And then
what I think that you recognize in him is what
then we saw yesterday. At that point, he then goes Bertie, Bertie,

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Bertie and takes all doubt out of it. So he
put the footback on the accelerator, and he's got that
mental ability right to focus in at that moment and say, no,
we're not going this way, and he turned his whole
tournament around in three successive birdies.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah, And I think that's the mental part, or the
ability to have that short term memory and just you
know it was it happens. Happens to the best players
in the world that you know they'll hit a bad
shot and it's it's how you react to that on
the next shot and have that ability just to wipe
the slate clean again and know that all the work

(08:29):
that he's been doing and all the prep that he's
put into it, you know it wasn't based just on
that one shot, it's not going to wreck all that.
So you know, he just has that belief, and good
players have that belief and they'll just continue on whether
they just made a mess with the hole or not.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Let me ask you about Saturday. We were just talking
here at the top of the show about Sahith the
Gala called a penalty on himself out of a bunker
where he said on his backswing he thought he might
have moved a little sand. The video didn't show it,
and it's hard to see that there was any Do
you have any experience in those situations? Have you called
a penalty on yourself or had a playing partner in

(09:10):
a PGA tournament or a Champions Tour event call a
penalty on himself. How does that work in your eyes?

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah, I think you know, I've done it. I think
at some point in time, you know, you're you you
run across that, and it's just you know, the game
that we play a gentleman's game, right, and sometimes it's
only you that can see it. So and there's sometimes

(09:37):
you don't even know if you do, you know, you know,
create a penalty for yourself, you know, I mean, you're
so some people may just go blank, you know, when
they're looking at the ball. I know that, you know,
happens at times too. So and it's hard to tell
if he even moved the sands he he thought he did.

(09:59):
I looked at the replay. I couldn't see it, but yeah,
I know he probably saw that the sand got a
little smoother or something, you know. But yeah, I think
we all come across at some point in time during
our career where something like that happened, Something small like
that happens.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
Steve, you've taken some time off, relaxed, gone fishing, getting
ready for hunting, on that kind of thing. As far
as golf is concerned, Where are you headed now the
next two, three, four weeks and that type of thing.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Yeah, I'm going to play next week in Saint Louis,
or actually this week in Saint Louis, and then next
week in sue Fall, South Dakota, and then I think
there's a couple more weeks off and then I'll play
Jim Peericks went down Jacksonville, Florida, and then I'll be
done until December, which is he and I got the

(10:52):
invitation again to play in the P and C Championship
so we're excited to be going back for that. And
then there's a Champions Tour team event in December that
I'll play in as well, the World Champions Cup that
we played last year and that was a fun event.
So yeah, that's that's my plans till the end of
the year.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Steve. Let me take you back to last week. We
had Bobby on set with us after she came back
from the pre qualifier that you were with her at.
What did you see from her? She was very happy
with how she responded out West and you were there
the whole time. What did you see out of her
game and just your overriding thoughts on that first round qualifier.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, she's improved again, you know from last year. She's
gotten better. She's feeling a little bit more comfortable with
her game and then her you know, her own skin,
and she's progressing. She's getting better and she's starting to
get that confidence you know that players get when they

(11:57):
see that they're getting better, and she needs a little
bit more of that what we were just talking about
with Scotti Scheffler, that ability to you know, wipe the
slate clean on that next shot, and that that is
a little bit of a hindrance still for her, where
she'll hit a bad shot and it kind of rolls
into the next few shots until you know that disappears again,

(12:21):
and then she starts. She just has spurts of really
good and then spurts of not so good. But she's
she's doing a lot better, and you know, she's starting
to put up some numbers. I know, she shot I
think four or five under a TPC here the other day,
and so she's starting to, you know, get that feeling

(12:42):
that she's a better player, which is which is a
good thing and dangerous to you know, for players. It's
it's a good thing to.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Get Steve one final one before we let you go.
There was a nice article by Stuart Sink talking about
how much he appreciates playing on the Champions Tour, and
he talked about the opportunity again to compete. That seems
like for the guys that have been around a while,

(13:09):
that have been successful, that's what it's about, isn't it.
And that's a good thing that everybody gets, that opportunity
to be able to try and compete at that level.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah, I mean, you know, for us to be able
to compete still in our fifties. You know, we're blessed
to be able to do that, and you know it's
not quite as cutthroat as the regular tour, but when
you get down to the final few holes on that
Sunday trying to win, it's still everybody's trying to do that.
So it's it's still a great opportunity for us and

(13:42):
one that we all if you can try to take
advantage of and and have fun with it. You know,
I mean, our time is you know, going the other way,
you know, as golf is related. So yeah, you just
try to take advantage and have had as much fun
with it.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Ken, Steve, very good, appreciate it. Thanks for jumping in today.
Safe travels back and we'll visit down the road.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Okay, appreciate you, guys, Caladay.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Thanks Steve. See here Steve Stricker joining us on this
Labor Day holiday. Gary Dematto is also working on Labor Day.
You know why, Dennis, because that's what he does. He's
a worker. No, come on one.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
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Speaker 7 (17:45):
Happy Labor Day to everybody back at TPC Wisconsin along
with Mike Keller and Dannis Tizziani, I'm Paul Brown and
joining us now is Garydmotto of Wisconsin dot Golf. Happy
Labor Day to you too, Gary. Hey, I want to
start just with a quick review of a couple of stats.
We gave him the first segment on Chef Scheffler. Are

(18:06):
you ready for this? He only made twelve thousand dollars
a shot eight and thirty thousand dollars around three point
three million per tournament. Arnold Palmer probably made about three
million in his entire career, right, Dennis, about that if
he did that? But he did okay after that, Yeah,

(18:28):
he sure did. Aren't those staggering numbers?

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Gary? Honestly?

Speaker 9 (18:33):
Yeah, well they are staggering, But I wish they applied
to my game because I take a lot more shots
than he. Yeah, they're amazing, no doubt.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
And the caddy, by the way, he only made about
five million, which would put him apparently in the top
twenty five on the money winning the list.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, that'd be a good gig getting that. You get
even gonna earn it, Gary Is. It wraps up the
tour season as they played at East Lake in Atlanta
over the weekend and Scotti Scheffler doing that. Now you
get the President's Cup in about three weeks, and then

(19:14):
we switch our mode what we look at. I know
the Champions Tour still has events, So what's going on
in your world?

Speaker 18 (19:20):
Then?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
With Wisconsin doc Golf, where does the focus go now?

Speaker 9 (19:24):
Yeah, well, our competitive season wraps up pretty soon too,
except for of course, you know girls golf and college golf.
It starts up, which is starting up right now. In fact,
we've got a couple of things left to cover. The
US Hickory Open, which is kind of a cool Event's
going to be a Kenosha Country Club next week. You know,
players from I think thirty eight states and three or

(19:44):
four countries come in and play with Hickory equipment pre
nineteen thirty five, but they can use modern golf balls,
and we're going to go cover that because I think
that's going to be a fun story, fun story of
doing I remember my first set of clubs actually was
a hand me down set in nineteen seventy of hickory
shafted clubs. I wish I still had him, but I

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can't hear about it. Yes, probably, Yeah, I can't wait
to see these guys and women come in and take
an ounce country club with that equipment. I think that's
going to be fun. And then we've got the WPGA
Championship also next week, so we're still busy with tournament
stuff for a couple more weeks.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Mike Tis, you had those Hickory players out here a
bunch over the course of the years. It's a unique
way to go about trying to play the modern game
with not modern equipment.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Well, one of the guys that was here, he was
a champion, Steve Zeimer. Steve Seimer. Yeah, he'll be over there.
He played really good. But you know, I mean often,
why do you go backwards?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I don't I don't know. Why are you going backwards
because you can't succeed going forward? Is that why you?
I don't know, But anyway, it's a nice thing. Well,
you guys know about the small.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Ball, Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the Hickory tournament, they'll probably
use a normal golf.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
They'll use a normal one, but keep in mind they
did use that small ball way back then.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
No, I think it's great.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
I've still have a couple of those hickory clubs, and
I can remember when my brother was trying to play
left handed and my dad threw his clubs into bat
in the He said, if you don't play right handed,
you're gonna play at all through all those hickories.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
In the Yeah, Paul, that never happened to you.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
No, it never did. And Dennis reminded me one time,
and he was dead serious. One of these two times.
He wasn't kidding me. He said, don't you ever play
Larry left handed?

Speaker 19 (21:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
No, he will kick your butt even though he doesn't play.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
He's a good left hander. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Gary, When you look back at the overall run of
this year and the tournaments that that you and Rob
and company covered, what's the uh, what's kind of the
takeaway from the twenty twenty four golf season here in
was Gonson?

Speaker 9 (22:01):
Yeah, I think, well, you know, once again we saw
some exceptional golf on every level. You know, I got
to cover from junior golf this year. Rob normally covers
most of our junior golf, but I got to cover
the junior Masters and the boys junior and boy boy.
Are there some talented young players coming up. When you
talk about the Wheelands, you know Cad Wheelands from Milton,
and then on the on the girl's side, McKenna Nelson

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and Addie Henderson. I mean, there's just so much talent
in the state coming up. It's going to keep this
busy for the next few years, that's for sure.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
Dennis, I want to ask you, maybe you don't know
the name, but Gary, some young guy shot a fifty nine.
You're at TPC about a week ago.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah, last week he shot fifty nine. I'm just trying
to think of Lincoln Hutman.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, that's unbelievab.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
I told him he only played fifteen holes.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, however, he played with his parents and I was
able to interview them, but he did shoot fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
That's really incredible.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
But that's the young guy told you called me and
he said that he was upset because he lost a
long drive contest by a yard and I asked him,
how far did you hit it?

Speaker 4 (23:06):
He said three forty six.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah, I mean, come on, so you know, but I
think he's winding up. I just can't believe that he's
going up to Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
Oh, I mean, here's a guy he's won. He won
at Mike ben Corscudo's tournament, he won at Mike Schnar's tournament.
He won up at Arrowhead this year, all in a row.
She was fifty nine, and he's going up there.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Okay, all right, Uh, I'm gonna leave. I'm just leave
that right there. Yeah, right, I saw it there, saw
it there. I'll leave it there. Gary. Let me ask you,
how long is your term as president of the National
Golf Writers Association of America. I would assume it comes
up next spring.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is that right?

Speaker 9 (23:49):
It can't end soon enough? Yeah, it's uh yeah, it
ends at the Masters when we have our annual our
big dinner, and we have an annual board meeting in AUGUSTA.
So I will gladly hand over the rings at that
point to Rex Hagard of Golf Channel, who will succeed
me as president. Well, you know, it's been fun. I've

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got him. It's been fun. It's been challenging. We've had
to redo our website, and we've got some scholarships that
we formed, and now we have Amy Rodgers from Golf
Channels doing podcasts for us. So a lot of things
going on with our association.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, and I appreciate you adding that in because that
was going to be my question is what that experience
has been like, you know, buddies with Drew Olsen, who
used to be the president of the National Baseball Writers
Association of America. I don't think it comes without trials
and tribulations. There are elements to it that are not fun.

(24:47):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 9 (24:49):
That's fair to say. Yeah, you know, you're working with
board members. Some of them are really enthused and want
to do a good job, and others, you know, you
have to kind of lead by the hand. I think
that's probably the same with boards, you know, across all
kinds of organizations. But yeah, there's there's some some little spots,
but definitely a lot of high points. I got to
a couple of years ago as the incoming president, I

(25:10):
got to go to Rome and scout out the Marcus
Simon for the Writer Top dual report for the GW
A A and PG of America. You know, paid my
way to go over there, and you know there were
dinners or the wineboat with European tours or both of
that kind of thing. So that was one of the
perks which which I was very happy to do.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Very cool. It's always good to talk to you. Enjoy
your labor day. We'll visit again next week.

Speaker 9 (25:35):
Gary, all right, Tom's good. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Gary Demonto from Wisconsin dot Golf and if you haven't
checked out that site, Wisconsin dot Golf, it is fantastic
the work that he does along with Robert Andandez. The
coverage of golf within the state of Wisconsin is fantastic. Yes,
it's really really really good. Uh, we'll throw it to break.
We still we're going to visit. We have Travis coming up, uh,

(25:59):
you know, and segment and that todd erline. The Wisconsin
Women's golf coaches still to come here tonight on Talking Golf.

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Speaker 2 (29:28):
With you on talking golf, Mike Keller and Travis Becker.
He is the director of instruction at TPC Wisconsin and
it's been a busy summer Travis. In your junior program,
your competitive junior program, we started talking about this early
about how many kids in the high school version of
that we're having great success this spring and then at

(29:50):
the state tournament. Now we talk about what that for
those programs that you have put together for the summer,
because this is the heart of the get better and
playing tournament season. How is it going?

Speaker 19 (30:01):
It's going fantastic. We've we got some great programs out
here at TPC Wisconsin. Our PGA Junior League, which kind
of focuses on the thirteen and under boys and girls,
is kind of winding down as we speak here. We're
getting in the championship season where we'll have our section
championship and hopefully one of our teams can make it
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(30:26):
and Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, those players when you identify the U thirteen, right,
that's what we're talking about. How good is this for them?
Because we talk a lot. Dennis has always been an
advocate of being comfortable. When you get uncomfortable playing tournaments.
Isn't always you know, a breeze. It can be uncomfortable,

(30:48):
it can be nervy. So how much do you see
the growth of kids working through that, essentially for the
first time at higher levels?

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Right this program?

Speaker 19 (30:57):
So I've been lucky to be involved with it for
over ten ten years now. So some of these kids
that were thirteen at the time are now graduated college
and most of them, i would say, that kind of
played at the all star level. All went on to
play college golf and they still remember it like it
was yesterday. One of our assistant professionals, Oh here, Ryan
was on one of our state championship teams and he's

(31:20):
now one of our assistant professionals.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
And it just popped up on my Facebook.

Speaker 19 (31:24):
Eleven years ago at cog Hill and he said, I
remember that like it was yesterday. So I think it
does a lot for these kids as they continue to grow.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I think that one of the elements that they
begin to learn about is a tournament. Golf is different
and it's special. There's something great about playing in tournaments,
because once you start playing in tournaments, you want to
keep playing in tournaments. But they also learn as they
go through that there are avenues in this business that

(31:52):
are not just playing. Like they're focused on playing, right,
but as they get older and now Ryan's working here, right,
they see that there are potential lifelong avenues not just
to play the game, which is a great lifetime game,
but also to work in the game.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Correct.

Speaker 19 (32:08):
I think all golfers as a kid, your dream is
to play on the PGA Tour LPGA Tour, and that's
where it starts. And you find out later in life
how good you really have to be in if you're
in that one percent category that can actually make it
in play. So being a scratch handicap is different than
being a tour player. Yeah, just everything that goes with it.

(32:29):
But yeah, there's a lot of avenues, some going to
the maintenance side of things, working on the golf course,
Others going to the sales rep where they want to
work for a company, Titleist, Callaway, some you know, a
bigger name company. So there's a lot of different things
that you can do in the industry.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
You know, it's not all that long ago that working
on your game in Wisconsin was limited to this window,
this summertime window, spring, summer, fall. That has changed, as
all sports have because people specialize. Kids specialize much sooner
in a particular sport. So how does that play into
We're early yet, I mean it's August, but how does

(33:06):
that play into fall and then winter with kids that
are involved in your junior program.

Speaker 19 (33:11):
Yeah, so our summer program concluded about two weeks ago,
where we had a championship and a pool party. Our
fall program will start in September, and that program focuses
more on athletic performance. We involve our TPI coach strength
and conditioning coach here on our team and we go
through a lot of exercises that can start to get
them ready in the fall season for the winter programs

(33:33):
that they can be working out as well. Once winter
rolls around, Our Winter Riser program starts and that runs
January through March and there we're working on technique swing.
You know, we're trying to get everybody the fundamentals, just
polishing them up so when spring rolls around we can
start getting used to the grass again, working on the

(33:54):
short game. And then summertime is for competing tournaments.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
So as we is fall golf different for the kids.
I mean, obviously there are fewer opportunities from a tournament standpoint,
it relates to summer, But do you see are there
times when some kids will step away a little bit
and get a reprieve from a grind. It's a fun
game to play, but it can you know, if you're
doing it all the time, it can grind a little bit.

Speaker 19 (34:19):
Sure, we have It's girls season is starting right now
as we speak. Today is the first day in Wisconsin
for girls high school golf. So that's going to run
until middle of October. So we have a lot of
girls under our umbrella that are competing in their high
school season. We also have a lot of college players
who they're going to get started here at the end
of the month with all they're qualifying and then they

(34:40):
roll into about five or six events that'll take them
right up until middle of October. I would say kind
of middle of October to November, they take a break
a little bit, and then golf starts getting back on
TV a little bit in December, they start getting the
itch and we start preparing for the winter programs and
what their goals are for the next year.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Are you Are you where you want to be? Numbers wise?
Is there room for you to still grow what you
do and how many kids are involved out here? Is
there a threshold at which you say, hey, we were
where we were not going to do more than this
as far as numbers.

Speaker 19 (35:14):
We have a team in place and we're looking to
grow our team as well. So at this time we're
definitely still taking new students. Right now, there's maybe a
little bit of a wait to get in. But come
January when we start our kind of new season off
and Winner Rise the program, where we're definitely taking new students.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, and let me finish with this. We've talked about
this in the past, but when we talk about the
competitive success that you've had in this program, it begins
with beginners. I don't know if that makes sense, but
it begins with kids who really haven't played much before.
Some parents and door kids will get intimidated, oh I'm
not good enough to come out and be on. But

(35:54):
they all start somewhere right, right.

Speaker 19 (35:57):
We have even in our junior league, we have a
PM where we have basically kind of three different levels
where we start with the beginners and get them used
to playing the golf a little bit and having fun,
getting some of the basic fundamentals down, and then they'll
move up to the intermediate level, where again they'll start
to accept a little bit more of what we're telling

(36:18):
them from a technical standpoint and a mental standpoint. And
then we have the really competitive high level players. But
all of those players started at the bottom at one point,
and it's just a funnel program that we do, and
it seems to work.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well and you continue to have success. You know, we'll
put it all to bed here in a couple of
weeks about the looking back at all the success you've had,
But it starts with really good teachers. You have a
great staff. Obviously, you know the game and have been
such a fantastic teacher for a while. That comes from
Dennis to obviously you continue to learn from. But the

(36:55):
staff you put together is all really good at what
you're trying to accomplish as well.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Correct, correct, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 19 (37:01):
I'm fortunate enough to be with the tizzyanies here for
twenty years. Yeah, and learn from them, and I'm kind
of at the point where i can start passing along
to the next generation. And we have a great team
in place. We have Mike Nagy, he just joined our section.
He shot the lowest Wisconsin PGA score at sixty three

(37:22):
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Kennedy is a PGA professional with us, and then we
have Ryan who's a PGA associate. So we have a
great team in place and we continue to grow that

(37:44):
as well.

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Speaker 7 (41:08):
Back on Talking Golf along with Mike Yeller as Dennis Dizziani,
I'm Paul Brown and Todterline, who is the coach for
the u W Women's Badger golf team and Todd, Welcome
to the show. Happy Labor Day to you. Let's start
with why the fall schedule for women's golf Todd, what's

(41:29):
the reasoning behind that?

Speaker 18 (41:33):
Well, I mean it's it's just part of part of
the college golf season. College golf plays both fall and spring, right, yep.

Speaker 15 (41:41):
And so.

Speaker 18 (41:43):
I know it's a great time of the year for
us to be able to capitalize on coming off coming
off hopefully some good summers and then hopefully get off
to a good start here in the fall.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
When you look at your team overall in terms of
anticipation for this year, kind of just give us a
rundown on I expectations at this point.

Speaker 18 (42:03):
Yeah, you know, I thought we were pretty good last year.
We were little inconsistent last year in the in the
in the fall actually, but played really solid in the spring,
had a really good spring, and hopefully, you know, we
can kind of build off of that because we do
have everybody returning, so we we just we've got a
lot of experience coming back. We actually have four seniors

(42:26):
on the team and then you know a lot of
great depth behind them and players that are also going
to be in competition, and you know, and competing for
spots throughout the fall. So yeah, So I mean I'm
optimistic about the season from that perspective that that we
have some have some experience coming back and uh, we're
just we're going to be finishing up our first qualifier

(42:46):
of the season here today and so that'll kind of
set the lineup for next weekend where we get started
here at home with the Badger Invitational, and that'll kind
of set that lineup. But boy, there's a lot of
golf to be played too yet throughout the course this season, Todd.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I want to get back to your team here in
a minute. By the way, it's Mike Keller. Let me
let me ask you when I ask what I ask
all coaches over the last two years, how different is
it transfer portal? I don't know how much that plays
for you and or nil, because it's part of all
college athletics now and I would assume that that includes GOP.

(43:22):
How does it impact you?

Speaker 18 (43:24):
It does impact us all. It's definitely part of part
of college athletics. As you mentioned, I have not done
a lot in the portal to this point, and so
but that that doesn't mean that you don't have conversations,
and you don't aren't looking all the time and trying
to see that. As I mentioned on at the start

(43:46):
of it, I do have everybody kind of returning and so,
and I feel like we have pretty good depth. So
I wasn't looking like this year just to bring in
a player to add depth on that side of things.
I think we have quite a bit of that, and
so we didn't add anybody this year.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
But it is.

Speaker 18 (44:04):
It is part of roster changes and movement at for
every sport. And you do see teams shuffle their lineups
and reload and through the portal, and it's it's part
of it. You know, you mentioned n I L.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
N I L.

Speaker 18 (44:22):
It's funny, this is how I phrase it. I think
N I L in our sport is being utilized almost
more along the intentions of what it was intended to
be used. Most of our players have some sort of
N I L. You know, they have they have some things,
and some of it might be some some cash payments

(44:43):
in exchange for some services and things like that, but
in general, a lot of times it might be merchandise
or apparel or something along those lines, right, But it's
not used so much on the front end in the
in the line of like recruiting inducements. Sure, and I
think that's where it's alway kind of interesting. You hear
from the high profile sports, you know, and the visibility

(45:05):
of basketball and football and it. You know, you have
a lot of that recruiting and recruiting inducement where it
plays a role. But once our players get here, I
think the big thing is how do we help them
navigate that space?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Right?

Speaker 18 (45:19):
How do you help them kind of find some opportunity
if they're interested. And but yeah, it's it's part of
part of all college athletics. And most of our players
have some sort of some sort of agreements with you know,
to some.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Extent, sure, and they're going to go to revenue sharing
beginning in twenty twenty five. And I listened to an
interview with the Ohio State Ad a week or so ago,
and he said, as we roll forward, now, Ohio State
has thirty six thirty eight Division one sports. I think
Wisconsin has twenty twenty three, twenty three. Okay, so, but

(45:55):
the the Ohio State Ad said, listen, a lot of
our other sports, olymp caliber sports are going to have
changes going forward, not in a positive way. From a
budget standpoint, he said, many of them are going to
move to operating like a club sport but competing at
a Division one athletic level. Is there concerning your industry

(46:16):
in the in the golf industry of college athletics about
those issues rolling forward?

Speaker 18 (46:22):
Well, I mean, I think the unknown always causes some
concern right for people. You know, and I think you
mentioned thirty six sports at Ohio State or however many
they have, and I certainly can't comment on their situation,
but yeah, I know a number of those sports are
not necessarily widely sponsored sports across the NCAA level, right

(46:45):
and and and so they may take kind of to
like a club approach for some of those sports. You know,
time's gonna time will tell, obviously, Mike, like how it
changes and how it affects are in But but the
reality is that at some point in time, if there's
twenty to twenty two million roughly that's being talked about

(47:05):
right now, that's going to have to go back to
revenue share to the student athletes. That money needs to
come from somewhere, right, Yeah, And there's certainly going to
be you know, a huge emphasis on increasing revenue, right,
So hopefully you can kind of need it that way.

(47:25):
But there's so certainly going to be some shift and
some change, and it might you don't know what it's
going to look like, but it could be you know,
it could be travel and you know, some limitations there,
and there might be just a new way of doing business.
But I don't necessarily think that that has to mean
that we're not committed to our student athletes, that we're

(47:47):
not going to create an unbelievable experience form, or that
you still don't expect to compete.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
Todd Erline is with us and he's the women's coach
for golf at the UW Todd kind of a two
parter in terms of quality of players that are potentially
looking at playing in college.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Are there more gals than there used to be?

Speaker 7 (48:11):
And in your recruiting process in that kind of thing,
where do you look all over or just kind of
summarize those two areas.

Speaker 18 (48:20):
Yeah, the depth has improved dramatically. I mean it's I
mean just the level of scoring, the amount of really
high quality players is really really increased and expanded. I mean, gosh, Paul,
I think when I started, I mean, you know, like

(48:40):
scoring averages were somewhere in at three ten, three eleven,
three twelve for like team scoring averages, right, and you
break three hundred on a given day, and it'd be
a really big celebration, right. I mean, I think our
team scoring average last year was something like two ninety two, right,
And so the type of play has just changed so

(49:00):
dramatically over the years. And it's just their year round commitment.
It's it's a year round approach to the fitness and
training and conditioning and and just they have no fear.
They aren't afraid to go out and make birdies. And
so that's super exciting to see. And you have to
find those players. Where do we focus. We still try

(49:22):
to focus. I mean we're still Upper Midwest, that's still
our base.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Right.

Speaker 18 (49:27):
We have two players, two players on our roster right
now from the state of without a whole. But you
have to look other places too. I mean we have
you know, we have a little bit of internet. You know,
a couple of international players over the years. Our number
one player from last year returning as a player from
Hong Kong. She's been awesome, awesome for us. She'll be
a senior this year. And uh, you know, a couple

(49:50):
of players from California, and so you kind of have
to look a little bit, you know, and expand expand
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Complicated. Is the internet national player from a recruitment standpoint
of getting them into school, And it used to be
quite a bit different. And maybe it's eased up a
little bit in that regard.

Speaker 18 (50:08):
I don't know if it's eased up. I don't think
it's very difficult at all. I mean I haven't had
any experience. I mean, at the end of the day, Mike,
we're still recruiting people that have to fit the academic
profile of the university, and that's part of what they're
drawn to, right, that's part of why they're here. They're
certainly going to be a toll full score requirement, which
is an English language, you know, make sure that there's

(50:33):
a test to prove that's a proficient within the English language.
But assuming that that isn't there, and they're great students.
We've had a lot of success with our international players
and they've been great fits academically at the university. They've
been great teammates, have been awesome players.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, let me let me finish with this, and that
is what it is that you're most looking forward to
this fall, and of coaches get excited about opportunity, and
obviously at the beginning of the season you have plenty
out in front of you. What maybe excites you the
most about what's coming this fall?

Speaker 18 (51:05):
You know, I from a competitive side of things, I mean,
as a coach, there's always that speak, right. I do
like that We've got a lot of depth. I mean,
are two freshmen. We had a you know one, Lauren Salmon,
and then everybody around here is familiar with Izzy Stricter.
Super excited to have both of those girls both have

(51:26):
the ability to compete and be there and kind of compete.
And so I think we have nine players on our roster,
and so there's that aspect that I'm really excited about.
I like other together too, Mike. They just right now,
right now, they want to push, They want to kind
of hold each other accountable through their effort and hard work,

(51:47):
and I like the chemistry on that side of things.
It's been really good and I would expect it to
be solid all season. It's just an exciting time, right
There's a lot of energy on campus and it spills
over here to University Ridge. At this time of the year.
There's a lot going on, but from a coaching perspective,
I just I like the balance and I think it's
going to be fun to watch them compete, see which

(52:09):
players elevate, which players rise, how they manage some stumbles. Yeah,
that's always kind of part of it. Yeah, I mean
that's fun.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
That's what we do.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Well, very cool. We're going to look forward to scoreboard
watching and all the best to you. Thanks for jumping
in with.

Speaker 18 (52:22):
Us today, No, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
It's outderline in the Wisconsin Women's Golf Coach We got
time for one more segment. We'll take a break here,
come back and wrap things up from TPC Wisconsin on Talking.

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Speaker 7 (55:06):
If you're a golfer who likes the challenge, consider being
a member at TPC Wisconsin. The course provides you with
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before you hit your next shot. After your round, you
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plus other great amenities. Are you up for the TPC
Wisconsin Challenge for details on becoming a member six oh
eight two four nine, one thousand and Speaking of TPC Wisconsin,
we're back at the golf course on Labor Day along
with Mike Heller Dennis.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
To the audie, I'm Paul Brown, Dennis.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
We haven't really talked a lot throughout the shows about
TPC Wisconsin, but I tell you, Mike and I are
out here as members, and I'm here every day because
I live across the street. In that kind of thing,
you are seeing a tremendous amount of guests play here.
There's a lot of isn't there, Mike. There's a lot
of people playing golf that you don't realize. I know

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a lot of things have changed, but and you had
a couple of big outings here which are very beneficial
and that kind of thing. So the environment is changing,
but it seems like there's more people playing it every
day and the comments continue to be the same as
they've always been.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
It's a fabulous layout.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Well, you know, our goal environmentally was a big item,
and you know we now are part of that environmental group.
There's only five in the United States in Wisconsin, and
we recently received an award the second best course renovation

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in the United States. That's pretty impressive in twenty four
So that part is good and the insight is good too.
But here's what's really you know, we made up our
mind and not made up our mind. We look at
what's going on and the only way you're really going
to grow this business of golf is to the women's market.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
That's where it's at.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
And I look now of how many women play here,
how many couples play here. And you mentioned about guests.
Those guests are coming from our member who's bringing the
guest here? Who they are coming from all over from everywhere,
you know, And we have a little over a thousand,
one thousand and thirty three request and submissions for membership here.

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We're screening them because I want to be a little
bit careful what's going on we're bringing in. But it's really, uh,
it's going wonderful.

Speaker 7 (57:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
The reception of what we're gone from a playability standpoint
has been good. The service is good, availability is good.
Those are the things we were concerned about. So we
feel good about where we are at this point. We're
right on the money. We're a little bit ahead of
schedule from our pro forma, so things are looking very good.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Let me ask you this question enough a minute and
a half conditions because you opened a year ago in August,
So now that it's been open for almost thirteen months,
what do you think of the playing conditions? How has
this golf course grown in and grown into itself in
this last year?

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Well, it has, you know, we have on a weekly,
bi weekly basis. TPC comes here by our request to
give me an update, not the green super give me
an update to where he thinks we are. And it's
all positive every week.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Now. Are we making additions as we go along? Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Are there areas that you know, maybe a little bit slow. Yes,
obviously we're doing that, but on a big hole. When
I look at that TPC, they're coming here in October.
They're excited about doing this. They're getting so many reports.
The last one of the last events we had, Tito's big,
big event. They do things all over the country and

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the comment from that person who runs that came and
see me. He says, you know, he said, you raise
the bar of TPC tournaments in the country.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
That's what he told me, and he was very serious
about it. So I feel good about what we've done.
The organization, the planning, and the control.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Really good stuff. And if you haven't been out here,
make your way out. Let's get a hold of the
folks here at TPC Wisconsin and find your way out.
Take a tour, see what it's all about. We got
two more golf shows. You have to do this yet,
then we're done. We're Dennis and to find out if
we're going to get hired. That's right, exactly right. We'll
come back and do this thing again next week. I

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hope you all have a fantastic wrap up of the
Labor Day weekend. We'll talk to you again next Monday,
talking golf from TPC Wisconsin in Madison,