LTN RADIO NETWORK - December 22,2024

LTN RADIO NETWORK - December 22,2024

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
From various locations via the miracle of Skype. It's the
fortieth anniversary season of the LTNR. Let's talk Nascar with
your host Todd Bailing, co hosts Brian Schmidt, PJ. Newdleman,
and producer Dangerous Dan Margetta. Call the show anytime at

(00:30):
four one four four two one seventy.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Nine oh one.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
And now the creator and host of the fastest hour
in radio, Todd the Bailing.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's amazing to me that this is the wrap up
show of the fortieth season. Lad you could join us
Todd Bailing in sunny warm Phoenix, Arizona. Sorry, joined by
my three partners, including a guy who applows roads in
Sheboygan for a living, Brian Schmidt of Utzburg. Guy Brian Morning,

(01:06):
had to do a little bit of that. This week.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
We got about well, i'd say solid ten inches here.
So what the good news is. I think by this
time next week it'll all be gone. It's supposed to
get warm.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Warm. That's a relative term. PG Maybe forties around here
is warm, that's true. PJ. Neudleman Over on the other
side of the state, High pag Hey Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Twenty four degrees in Trumplow, and we got six inches.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, well, there's lots of never mind, And of course
Pat Margetta, who's been here the longest tenured of my
three partners, our producer director, and he's holding down to
fort in Saint Francis, Wisconsin. Hi, Bud, Hey, good morning.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
It looks like I'm the loser and this whole snowfall
other than you would get none in Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think we only got like.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Four inches here, so I had to shove a little bit,
but not as much as you guys.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
If you're dreaming of a white Christmas, it doesn't sound
too good for next week. Huh. Sorry for him, No,
but I think it'll be white here, all right. That's
amazing Snow Report, brought to you by great of you
to join us. It's amazing that, first of all, that
we've managed to stay in the radio business for forty years,

(02:23):
and it we all ninety nine point nine percent of
that credit to the people that listen to this program
and continue to download our podcast and listen live here
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We appreciate you, and it's like we're one big happy family.

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They come and they go during that time, but this
is where it's only six weeks to the clash. Folks,
we're going to take one week off. This is actually
the fifty first show of the year. Is like a
bonus week this week because of the way the holiday fell. So,
but imagine only six weeks to the clash. We come

(03:06):
back with four Uh, that's only one week off, guys, jeez,
what are we gonna do for one week on a Sunday?
So it's amazing, isn't it? Go to church there you
go where everybody belongs anyway, instead of listen.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Kind of wonder that everybody had runs that like the
like the NASCAR schedule all year long for thirty six
flitter weekends a year when you're on the off season
and a week like this, what do you do when
you get up on Sunday and you don't have a
race to go to?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Wonder?

Speaker 5 (03:32):
What does it still feel weird to them? Or they
really you know, traish it because it's it's a rarity.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I bet they cherish it.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Sit on the coach and watch football probably all day
on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
They getting married, They get married, that's what they do
to Yeah, there's a lot of that going on that
they don't just get married, they die too. And this
was uh quite the week. Freddy Lorenzen died two weeks
short of his ninetieth birthday. He lived his whole life

(04:03):
in Elmhurst, Illinois, right down the street, just a little
bit there. And Hall of Famer went into the Hall
of Fame nine years ago. And for a guy that
didn't race full time for a very long career, he
certainly made his mark on the sport. He led a
lot of laps, primarily driving the number twenty eight home

(04:27):
and in Moody Ford in his time, and it looked
like one of the beach boys, kind of a Hollywood
kind of a look to him. And the last couple
of years he's battled dementia and hasn't been too good,
but finally passed away this week. One of the great
names in NASCAR history, would you all? I guess it's

(04:50):
kind of hard not to agree with that, right, I mean,
how he was?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean, and you know you read all the history
books and saw that that thing I'd added a model
of his car. I remember it was a twenty with
Lafayette Ford on the back, and I think Travis Koppole
ran the throwback scheme at Darlington, and I think it right.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
That was a cool car.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Was so plain. It was just white with the blue
twenty eight and Lafaytte florid in the back. But it
was sharp because it was so plain.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
It allowed the lines of the car to shine through.
That's why.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Wow, there's a way of looking at it. Don't paint it,
just make it white and put a number on it. Wow.
We don't do that anymore. We have wraps and fancy
computer generated Okay, I can't call them paint jobs anymore,
right either, rap jobs, rap jobsp jobs. There you go.
Freddy Lorenzen passed away this week at eighty nine years old.

(05:44):
As far as a big news season, I guess it's
going to be dominated by what we're hearing in the
in the legal system, Dan, I guess you can kind
of fill us in on what happened this week. I
you know, it's hard for me to keep up, but
I see that they actually changed judges. That happened a

(06:09):
little while ago.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
They have a new judge and I'm not sure nobody
I think the old one did he just retire.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
I think that he was he was retiring and he
wasn't going to be able to finish the whole thing out.
So that's why they switched.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Okay, a judge of.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
A new set of highs and a new set of
looking at way of looking at things, and they kind
of granted a win to the teams this week. It
looks like by having that injunction they granted it, they're
going to get to have their race with their charters
even though they didn't sign the agreement, and it looks
like they'll get the Stewart House charters as well the
way it stands right now. And NASCAR is probably gonna
you know, fight that and try to you know, little

(06:46):
that away a little bit. But it's a big win
for the teams, I think, and it's going to create
a whole new way of looking at this will probably
get into it more up for the next break. But
there's a whole lot other you know, can't a worm
that open up now?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's it's a very complicated scenario. Does the fact that
all the other teams sign the agreement complicate this at all?

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
It I thought it did originally, But now, I mean
when when if they if they got their injunction and
they claim that that clause that says you can't sue
US is unenforceable. Does that mean every other team that
signed US already can now say, hey, we don't like
this deal either and jump on this lawsuit or not.
I mean, I think that's that's what you're gonna have
to have the court. You're gonna have to try to

(07:31):
pin this down to see how how wide open it
is or how restricted it is. I mean, because to me,
it seems like if if I'm a team that signed
it already and I wasn't greatly. I didn't want it
all the way. I was okay with it, but I
wasn't really you know, super satisfied with it.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I wish you could have got.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
More, and these other guys might get more, and they're
gonna be on this lawsuit. And you know that that
clause that says they can't assume is unenforceable, Well then
why can't I assume too?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
You know, it's it's they could right, What was that
go ahead?

Speaker 4 (08:00):
And I was just going to say they could join
in on it too, But I think they all have
to kind of hedge their bets as to what the
fallout is going to be if they do win.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
That's what I said.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Well, if you win the whole thing, what do you
really win? And you got to look at that too.
So you do win, what do you get Is it
just money or I mean do you get a Okay,
you get a bigger piece of the pie. Can you
Ascar just turn around and say I don't want to
do this anymore?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I don't know. Can NASCAR back in the day, if
you piss them off, they would find ways of penalizing you,
whether it's harder to get through tech or an on
track call. The difference now, however, is that there are
so many eyeballs on this sport and you couldn't really

(08:48):
do that to get away with it. Although those mystery
cautions at the end of races are still out there,
some debris, it isn't as often as it used to be,
and they generally television will go out of their way
to show the debris now. But you know, NASCAR has
had ways of well.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Even through tech. Dan and I were saying that prior
to coming on the air, they could really make it
difficult getting through tech and making them go back around
and through the line again and maybe even losing a
car chief something to that effect.

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Missing the start of practice. We've seen a lot of
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Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well to tell you that this hasn't been easy to
coordinate schedules. As a kind of an understatement, we have
one of the pre eminent auto writers that this country
not only has now or has ever had. Matt Weaver
joins us. You may know his work with Sports Not

(12:25):
Auto Week magazine, short track Scene. He's been there, he's
done and written about most of it. And Matt joins
us right now from his home. Where are Where are you?
Is your home there? Matt? I don't even know.

Speaker 14 (12:41):
One of my homes. Right there's the North Carolina home.
There's the the Alabama home. We are in North Carolina
right now.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
All right, well, very good, welcome to the program. Nice
of you to to finally be a guest on our show.
We've been looking forward to this. We just were talking
a little bit about NASCAR and their legal battles, which
is what kind of dominates the off season news. I
would kind of like to get your thought on the

(13:10):
whole process where we are. I've been under the opinion,
which probably is wrong, that NASCAR, being a private entity,
they pretty much can do what they want and always
have and this is the first challenge to it. But
at the end of the day, when the dust settles,
NASCAR is going to get their way. Am I wrong
about that?

Speaker 14 (13:31):
Well, there's a lot to unpack in that question, right,
Like one, I would preface anything that I say by
stating that I'm not a legal expert, right, Like, I
don't know, And I think that's probably the most, you know,

(13:52):
the most throwaway that I can answer that, Like, I
have no idea, I have no idea where it's going
to get. I do know that if you want kind
of a forecast in what direction this is going. The
judge ruled earlier this week that one element of the

(14:13):
charter agreement is already anti competitive and illegal, and in
fact they cannot do it. It was the clause they
put into the contract that says, if you agree to
become a charter member, you are releasing us from a lawsuit.
You cannot sue us for acting anti competitively. And the

(14:37):
judge already ruled against NASCAR and that and that is
the reason why barring an appill twenty three to eleven
in front Row will be charter teams next year. And
the judge forced NASCAR, who approve the charter transfers from
Stuart Hoss Racing. But there are so many different layers

(14:59):
to this and they have yet to really start to
argue their cases that I don't have, you know, the
best reads on it, but I will say that in
two thousand and seven, a court decided that NASCAR was
not a monopoly and a lot of the preliminary arguments

(15:21):
NASCAR has done has you know, used that precedence a lot,
but a lot has happened since then too. NASCAR has
bought ARCA, NASCAR merged with International Speedway Corporation, the next
gen car has come out, and you know, the teams

(15:42):
have to purchase the parts and pieces from NASCAR approved vendors.
And they're not allowed to race anywhere else with it.
And so I'm curious how much those three changes have
kind of changed the playing field, as it were.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Unbelievable, isn't it that this is what is dominating the
news that somebody actually had the audacity to sue NASCAR
over the way they do business. Back in the day,
we never heard anything like this. Right, Well, let me.

Speaker 14 (16:21):
Kind of break down for the audience why we were here,
how we got here. It started with the charter system negotiations, right,
And the best way that I can explain why we're
here is that in most stick and ball sports, the

(16:43):
revenue split between a league and the teams the competitors
is somewhere between forty six and fifty two percent, depending
on what is your stick and ball sport of choice.
In NASCAR, teams receive thirteen percent of the overall sanctioning

(17:07):
body revenue. And what happened is that Michael Jordan and
Curtis Polk, who owned an NBA team, came from that world.
And listen, if you want to know if Michael Jordan's fake,
if Michael Jordan is here for reasons that are not authentic,
I'm telling you It's not true. Michael Jordan loves and

(17:29):
has always loved NASCAR. He is in it because he
believes in the sport. However, Michael Jordan also knows business.
Michael Jordan has no shortage of successful business models. He's
owned sporting franchises, and he came into NASCAR and he
believed in the next gen car. He believed that that

(17:52):
car would be a little more healthier for teams than
it has been so far. But he looked at that
number that at thirteen percent of overall revenue and said,
this ain't it. We need something better. And twenty three eleven,
along with front Row, believe that NASCAR did not act

(18:14):
in good faith and at worse, acted anti competitively and
how they negotiated the new contract terms and thus brought
forth a lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's amazing. Nobody really ever dreamed that a day would
come when somebody would actually sue NASCAR. You know, Having
Michael Jordan on it turns out to be kind of
a double edged sword to having him one of the
greatest athletes that ever lived, Having him associated with NASCAR
is a spectacular get for NASCAR. At the same time,

(18:52):
he's not afraid to see him over what he's you know,
calling a disparity. Hard to blame him, but now cars
always march to their own beat. They own the thing. Well,
how can you tell us what to do if you
don't want to be here, go away?

Speaker 14 (19:11):
Yeah, And that's always been been the NASCAR philosophy, right,
But it's kind of I don't want to say, you know,
double faced or two face, because because NASCAR is constantly
telling the entire industry is, oh, we live in this

(19:32):
era of collaboration, and more than ever before, we want
to be able to work hand in hand with our teams.
And I think sometimes it's just it's a little bit
intellectually dishonest and that, you know, look at all of
our collaborative efforts, but also we're in charge. It's our sport,

(19:54):
it's not yours. And ultimately, the way that twenty three
eleven in front row are looking at it is that
there's X amount of dollars of revenue and the teams
are the reasons primarily that people are fans of of

(20:15):
your of your sand castle. And then again this is
just their point. But Denny Hamlin once said earlier in
the summer that if people just really really liked seeing
race cars on NASCAR tracks, then ARCA would be doing,
you know, three million viewers a week. But ARCA does

(20:39):
not do three million viewers a week, and the Cup
Series does because of the the the investment the teams
have made in their drivers, their personnel, the competition, the
stars and cars and all those two teams say they
want as a number that is more fair, more equitable

(21:03):
than that thirteen percent, because there's again, they argue, there
is more stake, more consequence in owning a car than
owning the series.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
There you go. We're talking with Matt Weaver, an authority
about all things racing, dirt, asphalt, NASCAR, Major League, minor league.
He writes about it all, Matt, we have some business
to take care of. I hope you can hang on
with us during the break. We're glad you're tuned into
the fortieth season wrap up of LTN. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2 (24:00):
Welcome back to the fortieth season Rap of LTN. The
whole gang is here today with Matt Weaver, who you
can read his stuff all over the place if you look,
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have Matt on the program, Brian, I think it's time

(24:20):
to turn to the short track stuff. Yes, Matt.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
You know, we're two weeks removed from the Snowball Derby,
the biggest asphalt superlight mile race, and with it being
on flow, I think that really opened a lot of
eyeballs to you know, asphalt super late mile racing. But
I guess my biggest thought is you want to get
your thoughts on you know, what's it going to take
to get asphalt super eight mile racing to the point
where you see the dirtley models are at. You know,
I've been a long time dirt late model guy who
was on a crew for twenty years, you know, went

(24:46):
to a lot of different races and it seems like
they just can't get over the hump to the point
where they're running for the large purses. The Marquee events,
a lot of eyeballs like the asphalt guys. But yet
if you look at asphalt super light miles, they're all
over the country, they're on the West coast where you
don't have that with dirtly models. What do you think
it's going to take to get them to that next step?

Speaker 14 (25:03):
So I think the biggest challenge that pavement super late
model racing and just you know, pavement racing in general
has is the perception that they are a NASCAR minor league.
And I think to a certain degree that perception is

(25:24):
true because for every Bubba Pollard and Steven Nassy or
up there, you know, the Casey Johnson's you know that
have great success, who are these veteran you know, star winners.
You have a bunch of fifteen and sixteen year olds

(25:47):
who are coming up the ladder just to you know,
check off a box on their way to NASCAR. And
I am by no means, you know, discounting their their contributions.
And keep in mind, this is more of an issue
down south than it is, you know, up in Wisconsin.

(26:07):
Like I know, Ty Frederickson is a super amazing young
talent and I'm super excited to watch, you know, his
career career progress. But you know, in a perfect world,
and Dan will tell you this too, is they believe
in that kid, and they believe he can be a
NASCAR driver, and he certainly has the talent and the
competition around him to cultivate him into a NASCAR driver.

(26:32):
But until there are enough veteran racers to fill out
a field and generate something that feels like Snowball, Derby
Flinger Nationals, every big race, it will continue to be
seen as NASCAR as minor league. And I have this
conversation with the Bob Sergeant with the ASA all the time.

(26:57):
I'm like, Bob, your races are awesome. I love the schedule, diversity,
and I love the concept. But this series is not
going to be what you want it to be, what
we need it to be until every single adult race
car driver that has a super late model is a

(27:18):
part of the series. Because the biggest thing that we
are all combating with this product that we love that
we think is super compelling is that it is just
the place that fifteen and sixteen year olds go before
they get to go to NASCAR, and that makes you
a NASCAR minor league, and that perception is the number

(27:41):
one single biggest difference between pavement racing and dirt racing
is if you're a dirt late model driver, a dirt
sprint car driver, you are seen as being in the
major leagues of your discipline in a way that is
just not true by both perception and reas reality.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
With pavement you think that's what's keeping them from getting
some corporate sponsorship behind it as well. I mean, when
the ASA Stars launched, I thought, well, that'd be a
perfect opportunity for some company to come in and become.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
A major sponsor to that tour.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
But is there lack of star power because you don't
have long term drivers keeping them from getting the big
sponsorship behind it as well, like you see on the
dirt side with you know Nos and Case Construction and
all these that are doing those Lucas oil.

Speaker 14 (28:27):
Yeah, I think if you're invested in pavement racing, right,
and you've got dollars to spend and you want to
just purely from a business standpoint, activate in that world,
there are so many more viable places to get the

(28:48):
bang for your buck, right, Like you can take your
advertising money to the ARCA platform, you can take your
advertising money to truck series, you can you have all
this different you know, splinter competition too, right, Like you've
got cars tour and you've got you know, Ricky Brooks's
U A R A. And I just think that there

(29:09):
is not enough value. And it hurts me to say
that because, like I'm preaching to the choir on this show. Uh,
we all think there's a ton of value and and
and pavement late model racing and short crack racing from
an entertainment standpoint. But if you're again wanting to invest

(29:30):
in dirt racing, you know there's there's a handful of
these marquee divisions you sack for sprints and and midgets
and high limit in the world of Outlaws for wings
sprint cars and Lucas Oil and the Outlaws for the
late models. And most importantly, they've got a very full

(29:50):
you know front gate there, Their grand stands are full. There.
There's this big investment. People have been fans of their
favorite drivers fifteen twenty years because they didn't leave to
go to Nanscar or somewhere else. And so it's kind
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(30:11):
we need we need more fans, we need a larger audience.
And again, most importantly, we just do not need this
perception that we're just a step below Parker.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, no kidding. Wayne Lentsing, who runs a pretty prominent
chassis facility down in Illinois, once told me what we
need as heroes, and there are very few fourteen year
old heroes to cheer for. Well, that's a pretty good
way to put it. We're talking to Matt Weaver. If
it goes fast and turn left, Matt writes about it,

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Speaker 2 (33:07):
Welcome back to the final program of our fortieth season.
Glad you joined us. We're talking with Matt Weaver, who
writes about things having to do with stock cars mostly
but usually anything that turns left. Even though I think
I've read World Corse stuff in the past, two PJ,

(33:31):
I think it's your turn.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Well, I was just going to ask you, Matt, kind
of your thought tagging on to what y'all were just
talking about, how fifteen and sixteen year olds are just
kind of checking the boxes as they come through. I
really think if you back up the bus a little
bit and talk a little bit deeper on that, it
really comes down to the same thing it always comes
down to, and that's money. If the series was able

(33:53):
to pay enough to make it feasible for a lot
of the really great short trackers to be able to
travel to Florida, to Virginia, to North Carolina, Tennessee, across
the entire country, I mean it's hard for a smaller
team to be able to afford to do that, especially
when you got a tire bill that's huge and three

(34:15):
days of practice or whatever it is. I just I
think that the whole system, the way it's set up,
is not very conducive to make it possible for some
of those kick ass short trackers to do the series.

Speaker 14 (34:28):
Yeah, I mean spot on, but I would say that
throwing money at racers historically does not tend to move
the needle. And to be fair, like there's probably never
realistically enough money to make doing this viable. But I
think what I've learned and keep in mind that like

(34:51):
one of my first jobs was actually in racing, was
working at Mobile International Speedway, and I got a really
good education. Then kind of seeing how operating a short
track worked. And Tim Bryant from Pensacola ran the race
track for I think two seasons and I got this
to kind of learn under Tim a little bit too.

(35:14):
When I think some of these promoters miss and listen,
they've got to balance their budgets and their books too.
It's not so much the purses and how much races pay,
but how long you're keeping them at the track, the
sort of things that you have to do to get
a crew to come along, because I think sometimes we

(35:36):
get so wrapped up in what does the race pay
to win? And not enough? And well, how much are
they going to have to pay in hotels or how
much are they going to have to pay for food?
And how many days would they say? All this stuff?
And you know, we just got done at the derby, right,
and I tried really hard to force a conversation about

(36:02):
the car counts, and I think by the time the
weekend was over, there was a lot of healthy conversation
around that story that I wrote that you know, we
all understand that Tim Bryant, the promoter of the race,
it's part of the group that makes his money on tires,
and we all recognize that. You know that's part of

(36:25):
his business too, But if you want to continue having
a bulk of teams to sell those tires too, we've
got to evaluate this model. Because it's one thing for
the Snowball Derby.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
To be.

Speaker 14 (36:42):
An event that you're guaranteeing spending a week at. It's
now turning into two weeks, three weeks. You get your
private testing done the weekend before the weekend before that,
and those are the things that I think you know
all you have to do. And I know that the
ASA people are going to be loathed to hear this.
If you look at Ricky Brooks show the weekend before

(37:03):
two day show that forty plus cars show up, and
you could show up there on Saturday. Really, I know
you want to get your practice day in. And I'm
not saying the Derby should be a two day show,
but it certainly shouldn't be a two week show either.
And I think stuff like that, when you have teams
that are mostly full of paid or unpaid volunteers, that

(37:26):
matters more than what a race pays exactly.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
And I do have a question now that you open
that door, because that was something I was going to
bring up about that Bradenton race at the Freedom Factory
versus what we all saw and did at Five Flags.
For that. Ricky Brooks used to be the tech guy
at Snowball Derby. There was a big falling out between
he and Tim Bryant and a bunch of other folks.
And I guess, if we really boil it down, I

(37:52):
think politics is really what's kind of ruining short track racing.
Because if these guys, they're all so smart in their
own areas, if they could just pull together and start
rowing in the same direction, I think we could see
some really great programs for short track racing. Agree or disagree, No.

Speaker 14 (38:10):
I totally agree. And I've got a story. I've got
one more quote that I need to get ahold of,
or one more person I need to talk to about it.
But I think when the margin of error for success
is so narrow, like it is for pavements late model racing,

(38:32):
and everything has to be perfect or you fail, having
Ricky Brooks and Bob's Sargent and Company not be on
the same page for trying to create some sort of
you know, super I don't want to call it national
because they're not. They're not going to the West coast,
but a super regional you know series that tries to

(38:55):
you know, cave the itch of the old ASA or
art and Go or proke up. When the margin for
success is so narrow, having the two of them trying
to a bit warm with each other is beyond toxic.
It's not helpful. It is actively hurting racing. And I

(39:17):
don't say that to criticize either party, but I think again,
when the margin of error is so thin, it's hurting everyone.
And everyone that I've talked to so far for this
story that I hope to have come out after New
Year's everyone says we need to get everyone on the
same page. We need fewer races, We need the races

(39:39):
that we have to be healthier. We need more sensible travel,
you know, less days on the road for our volunteers,
all these things that we've talked about, right, And I
think that Ricky Brooks, who can absolutely I love him,
but he can be an absolute you know egomaniac, has

(40:01):
his pros and he's got his cons because he's a
great tech guy. And then you've got you know, Bob
Sargeant in their group. I think they've got some really
smart marketing people Marty Mellow has come on board to
do to do marketing for ASA, and I think Marty's
actually a really smart guy who has a fresh set
of eyes. But I don't think their tech has been

(40:22):
particularly good this past year. I think there were a
lot of shortcomings of the Derby that I personally saw.
And they'll get mad at this too, but I thought, man,
they need Ricky Brooks tech mindset, but they also don't
need his ego either, and so both of them have pros,
both of them have cons and if they could just

(40:44):
work together, that is a major step forward that this
industry desperately needs. And it's a hump right now that
we just cannot get over because of that, you know,
political dynamic.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
We're talking with Matt Weaver, who is written about all
of these subjects across his different platforms, and we're gonna
come back with mister Weaver for one more segment. We'll
be right back.

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Speaker 5 (43:26):
The game.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Welcome back. We're talking with Matt Weaver and Dan Margetta.
The ball is now in your court.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Hey, Matt Day, We're gonna kick the season off in
about six weeks of the brand new event with the Clash,
and I'm moving to Bowman Gray Statium the Matthhouse.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
You had a really great article.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
I thought, uh, kind of tying in the whole boys
I've added policy has gone away with One of the
places where boys I've added is like the routine and
normal do you can you see guys going to the
clash and getting into each other and not having some
kind of a dust up.

Speaker 14 (44:04):
I think there will probably be a high tolerance for
it because it's an exhibition race. You know, the stakes
are not quite as high, and I think we've seen
the past three years going to to the LA Coliseum
that you know there's there's moments where you get frustrated.
I don't think anyone's going to want to But the larger,

(44:26):
the larger point that I had made is this I
was so I've been so frustrated since the Ricky Stenhouse
Junior penalty uh back in May and June. Because listen,
I'm not saying that I cover racing or I enjoy
racing because of the fighting, but I will say it's

(44:49):
part of the culture, it's part of the personality. I
view it very similar to hockey. It's just something that
that we do. At the end of the day, you know,
we we can think that we're we're more old cured
once we get to the NASCAR level, but at the
end of the day, we're still a bunch of rednecks
that drive cars and circles and so there's nothing particularly
cultured about that. And most importantly, I feel very strongly

(45:15):
that if you feel wronged as a race car driver,
I would rather you be in a position to where
you express that by popping someone in the jaw and
moving on than wanting to use your car as a weapon.
And we've seen an increasing amount of instances in the

(45:35):
last two years where drivers have gotten so mad at
each other that the right rear hook each other into
the wall at first, and that's unacceptable, and to me,
that is like one of the worst things you can do.
And I'm certainly appreciative that NASCAR suspends drivers for the
right rear hook because that is extremely dangerous. So to me,

(46:02):
if we've established that we can't do that, which we shouldn't,
but then you look at what happened to Stenhouse at
the All Star Race, because it's true that you know
they were racing each other hard, but Kyle Busch intended
to maybe not dump Ricky become really close, and he did,
he crashed him. And so then, if you're Ricky Stenhouse,

(46:24):
You've got two choices. Do I use my car as
a weapon or do I punch him? Which one is safer?
Which one's more sensible? And it sounds outrageous because I'm
calling punching someone in the jaw a sensible decision. But
if the alternative is using your car as a weapon, well,
to me, this is really easy about which one is

(46:45):
more acceptable? And most importantly, again, we are only having
this conversation. I only work in NASCAR, and NASCAR is
more than likely only the national entity. That it is
not because someone saw a great race in February nineteen
seventy nine. It's because they saw a great fight associated

(47:08):
with that race in nineteen seventy nine. And say what
you will about how embarrassing it was for NASCAR that
the Ricky Stonhouse threw a punch in one of their
biggest events of the year, the All Star Race at
North Wilkesboro. That I got them more ESPN attention, they
got them more mainstream cable news, local news broadcasts attention,

(47:30):
and I think allowing that can be a positive. We
don't want it all the time. If they're fighting each
other every week, call them the haller take care of
it then. But I think reminding fans why they are
a fan of their driver, why their drivers are so
passionate about what they do, is really important. And I

(47:52):
just thought it seemed very intellectually inconsistent to take the
Cup Series back to Bowman Gray Stadium at a time
where it seems that they are they are not okay
with fighting whatsoever. Because Ricky Senhouse was fined seventy five
thousand dollars, which is the same amount of money as

(48:13):
Hendrick Motorsports got for illegally modifying their spec car in
the Cup Series. And to me, that's just it's outrageous.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
It's nuts.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
You know, it's cool to see that that you're right
with the passion about that. You gotta grasp that, uh
in the fans and the drivers to actually make it work.
And speaking of an area that that's got a lot
of passion, I think up here in Wisconsin is a
hot better rate is raising a lot of passion now
looking ahead to like things like the schedule and what
we're gonna do a going new places. We had a

(48:46):
race here at Road America for two years and went
somewhere else to the Chicago Street Race, which reconnois to that.
Do you ever see maybe NASCAR maybe trying to maybe
get back an area up here just because it's such
a hotbed of race fans in this area right here already?

Speaker 14 (48:59):
Yeah, I'm torn because, like, on one hand, obviously Wisconsin is
this big time hotbed for stock car racing. It is
your it is amongst one of your most hardcore racing
in NASCAR audiences, and anytime they've been provided a race,

(49:20):
they show and I think that you want to you
want to award them for the same reasons that one
of the logical reasons behind Bowl and Gray is that
the number one TV market for NASCAR is you know,
the Winston Salem Greensboro area, and Chicago made all the

(49:41):
sense in the world too. It's a really cool event.
It's close enough to to Wisconsin that hopefully a lot
of those fans travel and listen. I would tell your
audience too that if you haven't gone, it's and I
know you have, but like I know, it's a really
good time, and it's this really unique atmosphe year, the
fact that I can walk out of the media center,

(50:03):
the garage and go get Deep Dish pizza. I can
go find a really cool restaurant. And I thought that
racing was really compelling it. It's like two Martinsville speedways
attached to each other, connected by a right turn. But
I will say throwing all of that into a blender.
At some point, the downtown Chicago event will end and

(50:23):
they're going to move it somewhere else. And I just
hope that the NASCAR contemplates how can we reward that
audience in Wisconsin because they're so passionate. They have done
everything you've ever asked them to, and you've taken it
away from them anyway. And you know, I'm torn because

(50:45):
we also have too many road courses and sought Listen.
I love road America and I love any chance I
have to go there with you. But I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know where else we could take,
you know, the Cup Series, the finityes, you know, maybe.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I mean it's still sitting there, and it's it's still
sitting there.

Speaker 14 (51:08):
Yeah, I think once they decide to take that street
course to a different sitting. I'm thinking probably San Diego.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
They're going to have to.

Speaker 14 (51:17):
Yeah, I think they're going to have to, you know,
look at that market again and go okay, well there's Chicago.
And by the way, this car is great on mile
and a half. I think the next gen car would
race wonderfully with how old that pavement is now. So
maybe maybe that's the answer, but it's still not directly
an event in Wisconsin. And I love the fans up there.

(51:38):
I'm not saying that's just because I'm on the air.
I think they are the smartest race fans. They are
the most passionate race fans, and I hope that NASCAR
recognizes what they have in this market that I'm talking
to right now, or they risk losing it, because I
do know how much they care.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
It's fantastic. We've been talking with Matt Weaver. You can
read his stuff on all over the place, really, and
we appreciate the fact that you actually came on with us.
I realize it's not easy to juggle the schedule to
be on the radio on Sunday mornings, but we do
appreciate it, and Matt, we love reading your stuff. We

(52:16):
will continue to do that. We hope that you can
join us again down the line, and thanks so much
from all of us.

Speaker 14 (52:23):
Yeah, sorry for the delay hopping on. Had a bit
of a logistical hurdle this morning, but love being on.
Let's do it again and we'll catch up soon.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
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Speaker 2 (55:04):
Well, it's our final segment of the season. I guess
there aren't a whole lot of results out there. It's
the off season, Brian, as far as dirt goes, was
there anything? Did anything happen this week? Nope?

Speaker 3 (55:18):
No dirt racing. They actually get believe it or not.
Two weeks off. But when we come back for the
January what is it?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
The fifth?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
January fifth is our first show. The Dirt Late Models
will be back in action already at Vados. So that's
how short of an off season they have. They go
racing on January fourth, twenty five thousand to win in Vado,
New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So and PJ as far as asphalt results going off season,
not a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
There was some action out at Irwindale, if we want
to call it that, nine cars racing. Trevor Huddleston won
that one, Cole Custer finished third. They had super late models,
only seven cars started for forty laps. John Moore won
that and then the Legends probably had the biggest group
of people twenty nine cars. But and Jake Bowman was

(56:01):
your winner there. Lawless Alan got a top five, So
that might tell you something.

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(58:00):
there's a season in the wrap. We're gonna take off
next Sunday. You won't hear from us if you're gonna
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(58:20):
put a warning up and tell you when we're gonna
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Might be racing, might not. It'll sound a hell of
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Speaker 4 (58:40):
And thanks Matt, thanks to.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
That aforementioned Matt Loci, who is the hardest work in
one of the whole bunch of us too about to
throw that in and for all of us, we just
want you to remember that.

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Real race can stors, even if they do climbing through
the windows.

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wonderful engineers, Matt. We'll see happy holidays from all of us,
and we'll see you in two weeks. Everybody.

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