LTN RADIO NETWORK - October 26,2025

LTN RADIO NETWORK - October 26,2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
The lt Ed Hour. Let's Talk Nascar with your host
Todd Bayling, co hosts Brian Schmidt, PJ. Newtleman, and producer
Dangerous Dan Margetta. Call the show anytime at four one,
four four two one seventy nine oh one. And now
the creator and host of the Fastest Hour and Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Todd Bailing Penultimate. Right, that's penultimate. That means second from
the last one from the end. Hello there, everybody, Welcome
to ltn's worldwide podcast, Todd Bailing and Sonny Phoenix, Arizona,

(00:53):
joined by my three partners, beginning with Brian Schmidt in Utzburg, USA.
Is it Sonny? In Utzburg?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
It is Sonny, but kind of chilly as we get
ready to set the final four. Doesn't look like there's
a whole lot of drama involved in that today though,
so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, no kidding. PJ. Newtleman over in Trumpelo, Wisconsin, Wisconsin's
West coast. Good morning, and how's your mom? Mom is
doing a better each day. We're just inching forward, so yeah,
thanks for all the well wishes and prayers for her stroke.
Outstanding from Saint Francis USA, our own producer, director, and cameraman.

(01:35):
Even though we don't have cameras around here. Dan Marget, Hi, Danel.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Hey, good morning. You know Bridy say there's no drama here,
but it's Martinsville and there's stage points and everything else.
I don't think it's even with a thirty point lead,
the way those points change around, especially with each stage
and a track's so tight like this, we're you know,
one shove or caught into like an accordion style deal
and your your day is done or you're you know,

(01:58):
shuffle back ten to fifteen spots. I think they're gonna
see some drama today, let's hope.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
So it's funny that you call it drama because NASCAR
considers it manipulation and they are very, very worried that
they are going to get out manipulated. They hate being
out manipulated. If there's any manipulation to be done, NASCAR
does it themselves, because you can't manipulate we can. They

(02:24):
have beefed up their staff to scrutinize radio communication today,
looking out for foul play amongst the teams.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
If there's ever been a reason to have coded messages,
today seems to be the day, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm sure they will be what some of the code
words will be giraffe. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I mean that's the only that's the only bad part
about having the point spread as wide as it is,
because I mean, even if you were to win two stages,
that's the macs of twenty points that still put it's
a guy like Byron and Lagats say Byron wins both
his stages, that's twenty points right now, he's thirty six out.
He's still sixteen out, you know, going into that final stage,

(03:11):
which is still that's sixteen positions on the track. That's
a lot of spots to make up. I don't know
in this format that I've seen this big of a
spread amongst the inn and the outs going into this
final race before the final four is set. So it's
going to be interesting to see how much manipulation you
can really do when you have this big of a margin.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
It'll be like listening to an NFL quarterbackers.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah right, yes, Ola eighteen.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
Well, you know they do that already, so it's just
a little more finesse in this particular situation.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, boy, they really have to watch it too, because
there's some hefty finds that are going to be if
they think you're trying to out manipulate them. Oh this
is bad. It's going to be televised on Channel four Milwaukee,
Channel fifteen in Madison, and at the NBC affiliate no
matter where you are listening around the world. Right now,
the green flag is at one seventeen Central Time, perfect weather,

(04:04):
upper fifties. Zero percent chance that ran down there in
beautiful metropolitan Martinsville, Virginia. The shortest track we have. It's
a flat little bugger. It's shaped like a paper clip.
We've heard it all before. There's a lot of action
and a lot of drama. They've had some pretty good
racing so far. I will tell you The Xfinity Series

(04:29):
ran yesterday. Taylor Gray wins his first ever race, which
he was going to win the last time they raced there,
except he got taken out on the last lap. That
means that Zillish, Algeyer, Love and da Quopple made the

(04:49):
final four. That is pretty awesome for a guy that's
already been told he will have a diminished role at
Junior Motorsports next year, whether he's champion or you think
they're gonna give him a different deal if he wins
a championship.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Almost you would something would have to come up. I mean,
this is all Chevy. All four of them are in
the Chevy. So Chevy is guaranteed to win the Xfinity Championship.
I don't know if we've ever seen that before where
they shut Toyota completely out of it. It's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
The car owner deal is going to be a little different.
Junior Motorsports that's the owners of the eighty eight Zillish car.
They're in it. The number seven All Guyer car that's
a junior car, they are in it. But then all
of a sudden, we've got the Quopple and Love Machines
aren't in it. The Joe Gibbs number nineteen car now

(05:38):
that's been driven by the Cuban missile crisis the last
couple of races. Is he in it next week too?

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, he's in it to finish off Al Marola.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, and everybody's favorite driver the twenty one car for
Richard Childress Racing Hill Austin. Hell. Yeah, he took himself
out of the drivers' championship, but didn't manage to get

(06:07):
Childress taken out of the Car owners championship. So, but
the Car Owner Championship is where all the money is anyway,
So keep that in mind. The trucks raced corey Heim
number eleven wins race number eleven. That's that's nice. Tyler
Ankram's in the show. Cayden Honeycutt, who had got half

(06:28):
of his points driving a different truck and then took
over for Stuart Friesen, He's in the show. And Ty
Majeski is already making corey Heim nervous. It's terrible when
you can get a guy kind of go to one
race where he's good at and he could actually beat everybody,
including me. Well, yeah, that's look at it this way.
Ty didn't right the damn rules. He just plays by him.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Don't hate the game. I don't hate the player, hate
the game.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
There you go, There you go, and asking one of
NASCAR's great ideas. They wanted to be a crapshoot coming
into the last race, and apparently that's what they're going
to have next week.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So the multiple different interviews I saw with Tie after
that race, they asked him, you know, they talked about
how the truck wasn't any good at Martinsville and this
and that, and I'm not sure if it was maybe
Matt Weaver that was interviewing, Yeah, and it was you know,
how good is your truck at Phoenix and he goes,
we're good there, and I mean the look on his
face was like looked like the cat that swallowed the canary,
because he's like, you know, if we're any bit as

(07:27):
good as we were the other times we were there,
or at Richmond, which was the other really good track
there at which are a lot a lot like Phoenix.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Him has every reason to be.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Nervous that Majeski, my god, talk about making it in
on the hair on his teeth, barely into the into
the final four, but he did it. I tell you what, Peage,
maybe you can just summarize that quickly. He had some issues.
The thing was chattering, he had no breaks, and other issues.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
Bouncing like a basket and any time it's bouncing on
the splitter, that really makes it tough to get where
you want to go on the track. He was battling that,
and he felt a lot of pressure there from Corey
Heim who was whacking him in the ass end. And yeah,
he didn't want to start a feud with anybody, so

(08:19):
he was trying to be a little too cautious probably,
but at the end of the day, it paid off.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
He's a finesse driver and it certainly paid off yesterday
for him.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Thick back now to last week at Talladega where Rhodes
and Roads and Fennos got together, you know, spun out
of the way. That moved Tie from fifth to third
finishing at Talladega. I mean, think about it, that saved
a season. I don't know if that truck was good
enough to get two more spots, which is what he
would have had to have done had that not happened
last week at Talladega. So I mean, his two teammates

(08:51):
a week earlier probably saved a season. And think of
that truck race.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I'll come up. Friday Night's probably gona be one of
the better ones of the weekend because of this. And
remember that two years ago when Grant Enfinger was going
to win this championship, he was coming to take the
white flag and somebody took out Carson Jolsovar. Wasn't that
Corey him? I mean right, he crossed him the championship
and no end Finger's not in it.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Friday night.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Carson Quopple had a very similar path to making it in.
He had to perform, and I mean perform yesterday, keep
the thing from getting wrecked, and make sure he passed
cars at the end. He did it and made his
way in. It was very exciting. So the state of
Wisconsin kind of roundabout way with Carson Quopple since he's

(09:42):
never really lived in Wisconsin, but his dad did. He
he's our we'll claim him as Wisconsin's one and only
candidate here and Tim at Jeski, of course, who lives
up in Nina, Wisconsin, as our other candidate. So it'll
be fun to watch him coming up this next week.
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Speaker 2 (11:54):
Man, Welcome back to the LTN podcast. Glad you could
join us. As you know this use the ninth out
of the ten races that are comprising the playoffs, meaning
the Championship Week is coming up this next week. It's
out here in Phoenix, Arizona. Unfortunately PJ will not be
making the trip out here this year, but Brian and

(12:16):
Dan both will and we are going to get together
on Thursday night if anybody's going to be out here.
There's a place called Chicken and Pickle which one of
you asked me what it was that they serve there,
Chicken and by me. Now there's more than that. But
it's a pickleball outdoor facility. It's brand new. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Are you guys going to play pickleball?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
God, no kidding me? Be the last thing I ever did?

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Well?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Did?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I don't have to move too much, Todd. I see
old people doing it every day in Shboygan.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I think you could handle it nice. Yeah, well, they're
in probably better shape than this club. Oh no, either way,
Thursday night at six o'clock, come on out and celebrate
Kaylee Schmidt's birthday with us, and we're going to have
a couple of beers and talk silly and solve all
the world's problems.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
After a couple of beers and talking silly, will probably
be playing pick a ball.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Yeah yeah, right, there you go.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'll be cheering for you. Daylight Savings ends next Saturday
night into Sunday morning at two am, so kind of remember.
Next week we'll give up. We'll send out a reminder
on the on Facebook about it. But of course that

(13:34):
means that the radio show, the podcast as it were,
starts at a different time next week. It'll be the
same time where you are, it'll be a different time
where we are. We don't change around here. I don't
know what the hell the senses of all that, but
it is what it is, so keep that in mind.
That's one week from tonight. William Byron will start on
the poll today ninety eight point one eight five miles

(13:57):
an hour, nineteen point two eight six seconds to get
around that point five to two six track. You got
all those numbers. Pretty crazy, Byron. I'll tell you right now.
Since I haven't picked to win the championship and he's
not in the final four yet, I have to pick
him to win today. See that's how it works. I
don't have a choice. I would like to pick the
eight car, because of course he qualified seventh. It would

(14:19):
be nice to see Rowdy win one, but I don't
think that's going to happen. Maybe maybe if he leaves
that organization and goes somewhere. I don't know who knows.
The playoff drivers today, William Byron starts first, Kyle Larson
starts third. Joey Logano be afraid, Oh he's right there,

(14:39):
be very afraid. Starts fourth, Denny Hamlin fifth, Chase Elliott
will be eighth. Chase Briscoe. There's a guy that not
a one of us decided was going to be in
the final four. He starts in ninth place. Twelfth will
be Christopher Bell and thirty first will be Ryan Blaney,

(15:00):
who he is in some kind of trouble. Right now,
you're all three of you picked Ryan Blaney to win
the championship, and he unless.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Never say die, Never say die.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I just don't see it. But who knows.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
This is one of his better tracks.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Who won this before.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
He has the best average out of anybody else on
the track today, and that's what the new next gen car.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Just gonna be hard to come from thirty first.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But it's not impossible that you know, that's one skip
pit stop. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
So you're saying there's a chance.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
What do you think about the eleven nut getting not
firing off for qualifying to see they had to push
his car and with some kind of mechanical thing that
they've dealt with a while. It's one of the three
things we've dealt with, Denny said afterwards, or been dealing with.
It's like, you guys a running for a championship, you know,
and another shot for the eleven car to actually do it.
You think have their ducks in a row now by now,
I mean it seems like we get down to it

(16:04):
and it's time to really, you know, get get with it.
It seems like the eleven kind of faulters all the time,
and we will.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
They do have some distractions, Dan.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, yeah, and this could be one of those where
they're just showing up to show up, and they've been
working on their Phoenix stuff all a while before.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
That's a good point too, Brian.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
We will talk about all the things that that Denny
has to worry about other than winning a championship. That
is a lot to put on a plate of anybody.
But again, you know, we got a veteran driver who's
in his forties, his career has most of the water
is under the dam and not that much is still
coming by. He you know, he wants to win one

(16:43):
before he's done, but there's so many other issues that
he's dealing with these days, which we'll probably talk about
after the next break. But either way, yeah, he's he's
in already, folks. Keep that in mind, Brian. There are
two cars in the surprise. I think was Brisco and Fun.
It's what a great candidate, somebody you can root for. Now.

(17:06):
I hate the fact that he's driving a jet Carl. Okay,
I realize that I'm going to hell for that attitude,
but you know, let's keep in mind there's some guys
that are driving them jet cars that I don't really
I love the drivers, but I don't like the cars.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Oh, he's as likable as the guys you can have.
And the best part is, you know, he got this
chance to jump into Joe Gibbs car and he's making
the most of it right away.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
That was always something we're maybe a little concerned of.
You know, once he gets in this is he gonna
do it. In the early part of the season, he
wasn't winning races, you know, and all of a sudden
it clicked and they're on a roll. And to see
him lock in last week was a really really cool thing.
I mean when he was up here, Dan and I
have talked to him multiple times. I mean, I can't
wait to you know, talk to him on Thursday and
you know, and hopefully get a chance to talk with

(17:50):
him a little bit one on one and hear his
experience of how this has gone, you know, moving over
here because we haven't.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
When they ran it Roade America, he was one of
the guys that didn't yes, hit the track in the
motor He stayed in the whole time like everybody else.
You know, he had to come from Fondalac and the
drive and that kind of stuff. He's just a down
to earth guy that way, and he's he's kind of
the backstory there was really cool because he didn't really
bring funding at all, and a lot of times doors
were closed on him and they just miraculously happened to
open up again to keep going. I mean, he slept

(18:16):
on a guy's couch for for years for a while
and that to get there. So it's kind of cool
to see him at this point. I was really surprised
that an interview he talked to he was comparing the
Gibbs cars to the Stuart House cars he drove last year,
and how much better the car is now that the
stud this Gibbs car is than when he drove before.
He couldn't believe how much it turned and all on

(18:36):
just a difference in it, and just showed how much
simulation means and how much that Tier one support means
if you get that, you know, uh, manufacturer support, because
Stuart House lost that. Remember they had it with Ford
for a while without another tier. So it's a huge difference.
And I think, uh, you know, Briscoe found that and
then once he got everything working out, it's it's you know,
gone well for him.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Before you get into that, uh that mode that you
were then about how he's suddenly peaking at the end
of the season. He wouldn't be peaking, crap if it
wasn't for the fact that Kyle Larson ran out of
gas on the last lap last week. That's that was
the real key, and what a difference that made in
that race all of a sudden on the last lap
show I couldn't believe my eyes.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
And think about the confidence Chase must have going there
next week. I mean, he doesn't have a lot of
Cup wins, but his very first Cup win came at Phoenix.
So I mean, if you talk about a guy that
in his head knows, man, I can do this because
I've one year before, you know, I think that's gonna
be huge for him going in the next week.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Brian, right now we've got two in with Denny Hamlin
and Chase Briscoe, and two that look pretty good, right.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, right now. Christopher Bell and Kyle Larson are the
next two there. Christopher Bell is thirty seven of the good.
Kyle is right behind him at thirty six of the good.
Kyle starts third. Bell starts outside the point, so watch
for that when it comes to stage points, and then
you know the rest of them.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
They got a lot of work to do.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
You know, William Byron starts on the pole, but he's
thirty six out, Logano thirty eight out, but he starts third,
Blaney forty seven out, and Chase Elliott really needs to
win for sure, he's sixty two out. So I mean
it's gonna be spread. If you get one of these
guys from fifth to eighth leading the race, then you're
gonna see a scramble between Bell and Larson. That's where
you're gonna get It's gonna get close, and you might

(20:16):
have a situation, say Byron's leading this race late, then
it's gonna be a battle between Bell and Larson one
spot apart, depending upon how the chase the points go
at the stages to see how close it is. But
you know, Joey Logano, maybe I don't. I don't know
that he's gonna be able to point his way into that.
Even if he were to win two stages, he's still
looking at being eighteen out going into the end of it.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
So that's gonna be a challenge for him.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
What if twenty four is leading at the white flag
five a second and only one can get into this
five move twenty four, Well.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
If five a second.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
That means he's gonna be ahead of Bell, you know,
and then then he would still be in. Somehow, Christopher
Bell is gonna have to leap frog Kyle Larson to
get the stage points to get ahead of him. You know,
if Larson can keep Bell behind him all day, Larson
will be ahead. Just like I'm Majeski on Friday. Came
into the day five behind, but once the stages got going,
he kept those guys behind him. He vaulted in front

(21:07):
of him at the end and then ultimately got him
in by the one point. So the key for the
lars and out qualified Bell. That's the first step he
needed to do, especially at Martinsville. So now he keeps
Bell in his roof here all day. He'll be in.

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Speaker 2 (23:36):
Welcome back. Trying to figure out I think this Judge Bell,
who's going to be in charge of the twenty three
to eleven front row lawsuit against NASCAR. I believe he's
a federal judge. Many times when they talk about these things,
they'll say, who appointed Judge Bell? I don't really know.

(23:58):
Was he has he been there for a while? Is
he a Trump guy? Was he a Biden guy? Did
he come even before that. I'm not sure, but he
did say, you guys, I'm gonna need you to all
sit down. We're going to have a settlement conference. You
can set you can take a day plan on being here,
and we're gonna sit on and talk about all this.

(24:20):
And it went more than a day. They came back
the next day to continue, but they really didn't get
it figured out. And Dan December first is coming pretty quick.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yeah, it looks like that's where it's headed. And this
is a Each side asked the judge to rule on
summary judgment on different aspects of the case. In other words,
if for a ghost to traut, the judge did make
a ruling on these things, they could kind of sway
the jury the way as far as it went. NASCAR
wanted a summary judgment on saying that that the the

(24:51):
team's grapes or their their their complaints or did not
meet the statue limitations. They happened before in the last
two years. If they really had a problem that this,
she's done it years ago when we all talked about it.
That was one of the things that was going to
be ruled on or could be ruled on. This was
a hearing to see if the judgeould rule on it.
Another thing was that the teams wanted the judge to
throw out NASCAR, saying that that that Curtis Polk, the

(25:13):
guy from twenty three to eleven that had conspired to
to bring everybody together and kind of work together and
and and you know, to get them to boycott things
and that kind of deal. And plus they wanted to
define the market. What the market is as far as
the competition, is it just strictly stock car racing? And
that's just it. It's just is there only one? Is it?

(25:33):
Is it there? Or you know, do you include IndyCar
in F one and MS on another thing too? Is
it a broader way that way?

Speaker 8 (25:39):
You know?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Could these guys go to a different team or a
different series. That's kind of what the whole hearing was about.
And I don't think the judge he didn't rule on
an him. He could rule he may or may not,
but none of it got settled. That was probably the
big thing, you know, the uh the like a lot
of the NASCAR's thing and the conspiracy thing was that
that the teams can't collectively argon because they're not one

(26:01):
big unit. The you know, the each it's not one
big like union thing. Even though they had a committee.
Hendrick pays crew guys, this gives pays crew guys something else,
Penske pays something else. They all can't argue that way,
you know, they can't agree on that. So how can
they be one unit that way? I see some of that,
but I also see that, well, if you've got a
big group. One of the things they said is that

(26:21):
that the the smaller teams if they had a problem.
One of them, I guess had an issue with one
of the agreement and they went back and change it
and asked everybody else to be okay. And then that's
where the judge said, well, that kind of goes against
your argument because you did kind of you get them
all together before you made this thing. They have to
have some kind of you know, they have to be
together somehow on that deal.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
And then the market as far as what it is,
is that just straight in you know, stock car racing
or do you include the other farms too? And you
know it can you know, if you don't have to
run NASCAR, you can go run in so you can
go Randy car. You know, Jordan said, I don't want
to run it. I want to run stock cars, you
know that that's the market is more uh probably are
more uh uh more to find a quick yar. I'm

(27:03):
trying to think of the word it is, but it's uh,
you know, if I want to run stock cars, I
can't run anywhere, but NASCAR is what he says. You know,
you can't run the other the other series and stuff
with this car.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
So yeah, it's an island basically that there's.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, and then so what what happens when it ended up?
They pretty much all said they were going to go
to go to court. I mean, Hamlin's comment was, uh,
nothing got accomplished on one side's on a suicide mission,
you know. So I mean that the rhetoric is kind
of not together on this deal. If it goes to court,
who knows. I mean, there's each side has got such
so much to lose in this, and that's I'm surprised

(27:36):
that they haven't figured something out yet and maybe they
still will.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
But well, and we've talked about this too. Even if
NASCAR loses, who really wins?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Then yeah, yeah, it's it's just piss money for Jordan.
He like he said, he's lost more in a casino
than this what this has costing him? Didn't you think
it was kind of odd that front Row announced this
week that they have so, I'm Zane Smith, their driver,
to a multi year contract extension for what They don't

(28:07):
have a charter right now? Right, they are operating without
a charter, correct? Yeah, yeah, So I don't know what
he's getting paid, but he's gonna get whatever it is.
He's going to get it for a couple of years after.
You know, if for some reason, if NASCAR wins this
and I don't know who's gonna win anymore. I always

(28:28):
thought NASCAR is going to win. It's their sandbox. They
make the rules, don't tell me how to run my
own outfit. If you don't want to be here, don't
be here. And so already it's costing those guys because
they don't have charters anymore. But you know, Tyler Reddick,
Bubba Wallace, Riley Herbs, Todd Gilliland, and Zane Smith are
all going to be free agents at the end of
this year.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
The Gregson's in the other front Ok, oh, that's.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Right, and Gregson jeez, so and NASCAR could be out
of business. Really think, I'm not sure what would happen
with all the contracts that are in place and me
and television rights and all that sort of thing. If
NASCAR and loses, what happens anybody.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I mean, they probably have to sell off the racetracks too, right,
you can't own racetracks and promote races as well. I mean,
it's a big deal if that went down. Is there
something in place if that happens?

Speaker 6 (29:25):
Well, we have kind of talked a little bit off
the show about the Cars Tour and that structure that's
in place with the Dale Earnhardt Junior and Kevin Harvick,
and yeah, Jeff Burton's a part of it too, but
I think the other two are kind of the leaders
on that.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
You that's there to pick up the pieces. I can
see even if no matter what happens and who wins
in this deal, there's a lot of series waiting to
pick up the pieces. And that NASCAR did the same
thing when IndyCar split back in the mid nineties to
late nineties, and they went through that split. NASCAR really
rolls in popularity because they were there to step up
when IndyCar kind of faltered. You only kind of missed

(30:03):
their stuff up and here came NASCAR and look how
popular they got. I think it's kind of the same
way now and NASCAR is on top and this loss
could shake all that down no matter who wins. You know,
there's a lot of fallout from that. I mean Indy
Cars waiting to come back in the Wings Cars tours
and another one that the stock car wise, I think
is there that could pick up on it. I think
a lot of people woke up with that SRX series,

(30:25):
even though it's not around anymore, but they show that
you could have a series if you have a pretty
decent TV deal. It doesn't have to be Nascar, and
as long as you got some name drivers that you
can go with it, you could make it work.

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in charge, the local France in charge this week, said
and it's something we knew anyway, but it came out

(32:44):
of his mouth. He said that no permanent charters because
it is impossible to commit to financial payouts because they
depend on an ever changing media rights deal, which we
all knew. But this is one of the things that
that the teams want is permanent charters, and NASCAR says

(33:05):
that is impossible. We can't do it. And what happens
if we can't get a long term commitment out of
you know, it's not It does come up every few
years and there's nothing else you can do about it.
So the judge is gonna have point. That judge has
got some pretty important things in the balance.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Okay, if they lose, maybe that's what comes out of it.
Does somehow the teams get permanent charters, which is would
that just be a franchise.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
It would be, but there would be like no value
on it. That would be the thing because and that's
what Jim France is saying. You know, unlike the NFL, MLB, NBA,
and NHL, those franchises no, you know, they get that,
they know they're going to be in the league. But
they they have their own income sources through their ticket sales,
their stadium I mean, they build their own stadiums, sell
their own concessions, all that. These teams here rely pretty

(33:52):
much solely on NASCAR for the main source of their
income other than the sponsors. And over the years, NASCAR
has been taking sponsors from them as well. So you know,
they want a permanent franchise. But if NASCAR can't tell
you how much you're gonna get, how is that going
to work?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Dan, I can't believe that you know that there's an
inference at NASCAR because they own the tracks. I wouldn't
be able to own the tracks anymore. I mean, where
are you going to race if you're not going to
be on one of NASCAR's tracks, the infrastructure, the size,
everything that's there.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
And have to get rid of owning the right you know,
they have to sell attract somebody else. You can still
race on the tracks, it just said they can't be
owned by NASCAR as well as promote the race and
everything else.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
What would happen with SMI there's separateandity from NASCAR, right
your tracks should still be sitting out there.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
I would assume. I think that's yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You think about you know, so what happens then? If
you got nobody to own Daytona, where are we going
to have the biggest race of the year.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
You're going to have If this goes down in December
first on a trial and say it takes a month
maybe to resolve, and that it's January. Now we have
less than a month you're supposed to racing Daytona. Could
what goes on? That's not a lot of time.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
This has settlement staring itself in the face. Sooner or later,
something's gonna break. There's gonna be a breaking point and
there's gonna be a settlement where NASCAR is gonna say
how much money is it gonna take for you guys
to be happy?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
And that's what the thing is with Judge Bell. He
knows that's what's gonna happen, and he's forcing him to
get in the same room and just go ahead and
swear at each other. But you're gonna have to come
up with something other than we're gonna go out of
business over this. You know, yes, absolutely, I love it.

(35:37):
You know, yeah, er poop in a group. It's it's
just piss money for for a guy who gambles like
as much as he did. And Michael Jordan has had
much money to play with.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
And I think other teams see that too as well.
The drivers know that the driver's advisory consul they filed
a brief that said, say, hey, we got some we
have some interest in this as well, because everybody realizes
this is what they do. This their lives, I mean,
it's their what do they do if it's all gone away?
You know, it's that much important.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
And don't let it get fooled that NASCAR is over
there clutching their pearls. They have a lot of money
and I'm not saying that they need to, you know,
self fund the thing, but at some point you probably
do need to put an investment in your teams since
they don't have the ability to make the money like

(36:28):
NFL teams do.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
But they're so selfish. Yeah, you've got a new sponsor.
Oh hey, well the officials so and so of NASCAR.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
That's probably what the teams are waiting out for. You know,
open up the books, let's see where all the money
is and what it's all coming from. All maybe we
can put this aside for teams, you know that kind
of deal, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And NASCAR, they are just shaking in their boots about
having to open their books up. It just isn't going
to happen. There has to be a settlement because NASCAR
won't do it right.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
There, I think possibility to not do it. I mean
that's the ultimate loss for them. On the team side,
you have NASCAR wins, and I guess you know there's
they're gone too. I mean, each side has a lot
to lose in this. It's not like one side has
got more to lose in the other. I think everybody's
got a lot to lose because I think all, you
kind of rely on each other so much to do
your basic every day stuff.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
In this sport, it's a wicked game of chicken.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, no kidding, And where are we headed?

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
We remember Marcos Ambrose. He was a Australian driver that
came up to He was well before SVG was who
wasn't Australian anyway, but came up. He was a supercar
driver from that series, which is the same thing that
Ben Gizbergen came from. And came up and we knew
he'd be good on road courses, had a couple of
road course wins and then just said, you know, I conquered,

(37:53):
I did all right, and now I'm going back And
he went back to Australia where he has been racing.
But he mentioned to someone this week that he had
COO rectal cancer that was diagnosed over two years ago
and he was given a death sentence and ended up

(38:16):
getting a liver transplant and he's still alive and it's
still doing okay. I guess right, Dan, he uh apparently
is he's he's he's he's okay.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
For now, it seems like, yeah, it looks like it's
going good. Now it's two years later, and he said,
it's he's a long past what they said he was
gonna make with the transplant, but you never it's like
a five year deal of that before you really know
for sure if you're you're clear on that thing. But
it's way better than what the diagnosis was going on.
And that was in twenty twenty three, I think when
he first got that. Yeah, and it's it been funny.

(38:49):
We just didn't really, you know, hear much about it
that way. I mean just found out now somebody did
an article. It was on a like a website that
that brought that up. But it's do we know about
it when it was going on like two years ago?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
No, No, he just mentioned it. We're just finding out
about that what he's all gone through for the last
two years. So pretty crazy stuff. Well that's a lot
to deal with, for sure. And there was some news
this week, assuming of course, that NASCAR is still in
business next year the worst kept secret, Daniel swore is

(39:25):
is going to be the new driver the number seven car,
Justin Haley. It didn't take long for Justin Haley to
be so highly regarded that they did a whooped he
do to get the guy into that number seven car.
He's the next big thing and then just to get
fired he's gonna have We've heard absolutely nothing about where
he could end up. Does he bring money? I don't know.

(39:47):
Daniel Sworez supposedly brings Carlos Slim's Mexican telephone company money
with him and he's going to have Freeway Insurance as
the primary spot sir on the number seven car next year.
So good for him. We knew it was coming. I
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Speaker 1 (41:25):
And now the LTN Hour Presidents Turn on the Dirt
with Brian Schmidt.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
We wrapped up the Wisconsin dirt racing season last week's
Sunday Night at sun Prairie, Wisconsin Angel Park Speedway for
the World of Outlaw and NASS Energy during Sprint Car Series.
That was the makeup from the race that was back
in June that was rained out. Great event, lots of
people there on a very chilly Sunday night and Sheldon
Howdenschild picked up the feature win there. Badgrim Midgets also
ran and Parker Jones grabbed the win there. Thursday night

(41:56):
in Middletown, New York, the Orange County Speedway for the
Short Trek Super Series, Big Block Modify Super Matt Shepherd
picked up the win there. Friday night, Chilicothie, Ohio, the
Atomics Speedway. Five thousand win for the super late Models,
Mikey Marler picked up the win. Five thousand win for
the four to ten sprints went to Cold Duncan, Meridian, Mississippi.
Why Not Motorsports Park the thirty first annual CORPS Light
Fall Classic Twin Super Late Model preliminary features. Trey Mills

(42:19):
and Garrett Alberson were the winners there. Also Friday out
in Casa Grande, Arizona, the Central Arizona Speedway, the Reinventation
of the Western World Championships for the USAC Amazel National
Sprint Cars. Logan Seebee was your winner of the preliminary feature.
Non wing three sixties went to Kevin Thomas Junior. Last
night up in Hibbing, Minnesota. Who's had to be a
chili one up there? Iron the Iron Range Rumble for

(42:43):
the was Soda Late Models. Gunner Frank picked up the win.
Todd Frank used to race was Soda Late Models around here.
Think he still does so his kid picked up his
first career was Soda Late Model feature win last night
and then was Soda Modifies. It was justin Framing Marshalltown, Iowa.
The Harvest Hustle for the IMCA Modified's Jake McBurney. He
was your winner and the stock cars went to Dallan Murdy.
Your Caven, Pennsylvania, BAPS Motorsports Park. For the four to

(43:05):
ten sprint cars, Anthony Macre picked up the win Night
number two at Chilicothie, Ohio at the Atomics fifteen thousand
dollars to win. For the super light Models, Mikey Marler
made it a clean sweep and in the four ten
sprints it was Bryce Lucius Bedford, Pennsylvania. The Keystone Cup
Fall Classic or Fall Clash twenty thousand dollars win for
the Super Late Models. Trevor Feathers was your winner there Meridian, Mississippi.

(43:26):
The final night at why Not Motorsports Park for the
thirty first Annual Fall Classic twenty thousand dollars to win.
Ashton Winger won that one, and finally, last night in Casagrande, Arizona,
the Western World Championship for the USAC Amazon National Sprint Cars.
Thirty five thousand dollars to win a non wing four
ten sprint car feature. Logan Seviee picked up the money.
They're making it a clean sweep. In the non wing
three sixties, Brady Bacon picked up the win there.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Now that's it.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
The World of Outlaws sprint cars were supposed to race
out in Kansas and Oklahoma this weekend. Those got washed out,
so it all comes down to the World Finals, which
is two weeks away. For the first time ever, it
won't be the same weekend is the Cup Series stuff
in Phoenix, So November fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth will
be the World Finals in Charlotte. So two more weeks

(44:10):
and that'll probably wrap up all the dirt track racing
around here.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
All right. On the asphalt side of things, just a
short little list. Cars Tour West was running at Kevin
Harvick's Speedway. The Super Late Model winner was Jace Hansen,
who had finished third last year at the Snowball Derby.
Kevin Harvick was second. Keel and Harvick tenth World Crown
three hundred at Cordial Speedway. It's a Southern super series.

(44:35):
The Super Late Model winner was Jake Garcia, Colin Allman,
Bubba Pollard and Johnny Sowder were second, third and fourth.
Stephen Nassy was seventh. And that is all we have
for that.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
The All American eating that thing lead in the race
there yesterday.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Wasn't he?

Speaker 6 (44:50):
He was, but then fresh tires were sneaking up behind him.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Race at Current County is a pretty darn good race
that Hanson won over Harvard.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
It really was. There's a lot of banging and beating
on each other, but it was. It was good bare
knuckle racing.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Talk about a racetrack that I think NASCAR is missing
the boat on. I mean I watched that race last
night as well, and they talk about all Ny is phenomena. Yeah,
they want to have a presence in southern California. Why
not go there? I mean the place is gorgeous. It's
got the tunnel to go underneath it like you want.
It's well lit, it's got all kinds of room for
additional seating if you want it. It's about one hundred

(45:27):
miles from La so people can travel up and travel back.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
It's because NASCAR doesn't own it.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Gosh.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I mean, you know, you got rid of Erwindale, which
is right there. This would be perfect. It's not in
the city of Bakersfield. It's kind of outside of a
little bit, so you have plenty of room for campers.
I mean, it seems like a slam dunk. And Kevin
Harvick now owns it. What more do you need?

Speaker 6 (45:46):
I think Harvick plays nice in the sandbox with NASCAR.
I mean, he's still doing some commentary work for them too,
but obviously he has a foothold in the car's tour
as well, and I believe that they both are kind
of keeping each other at arm's length and play nice
and smiling, knowing full well that you don't want to
turn your back on NASCAR. They'll bite you.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
No, come on, there's they're so easy to work with,
aren't they? Come on?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
All?

Speaker 6 (46:15):
American four hundred is coming up in two weeks from Nashville,
and the rumors are that that might be the last
season there. That's rumor's been swirling around for a while.
But there's more and more condos getting built up around it,
and I would sure hate to see the Nashville Fairgrounds
go the way of the Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
But isn't that the place that we're talking where it's
a political football right now that they're you know, going
to upgrade it to back to NASCAR series.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Stass A I was the group that was big time
into it, and yeah, I don't it's been quiet en
off for quite a while as to what they're going
to do there. But when you keep building, Yeah, we
built right up behind it. I mean, if you look
at a Google picture of it, there's literally condos like.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
And all of those kind of right off. Bitching about
the noise. But beyond that, though, I think when you're
talking about SMI I think everybody is just holding their
breath waiting to see what's gonna happen with this lawsuit
with NASCAR.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, that's that's got to happen before we even think
about where we're going to expand our schedule. Because it's
not owned by NASA, it's another track not owned by NASCAR.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
So and for that All American four hundred race, we
have quite a strong feel of cars from up here
going down there for that, don't we.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Yeah, Majeski's already committed to it from Victory Lane at
the Winchester four hundred. I believe Gabe Summers is going
down there for that as well too. I think Ty
Frederickson talked about going to it, so that should be
exciting stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, and you never know who else is going to
show up, because it seems like, oh, I didn't know
those guys were going, and there they are, you know,
so pretty cool stuff isn't sold.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
We're going to go down there too.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Who maybe is Johnny Johnny, I'm not sure Johnny might.
I don't know if penn is.

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(48:24):
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Speaker 2 (50:19):
TV ratings last week it was a head to head
thing where NASCAR on NBC and Formula One on ABC
went against each other. And for those of you who
actually thought that Formula One had more viewers than NASCAR,
it was two point five to five for the Talladega

(50:39):
race and one point five million for the Coda race
for Formula One, so clearly better ratings for NASCAR than
Formula One. For all those Formula people who got their
little noses in the air and their pinkies while they're
sipping their champagne and watching those high horsepower cars go around.

(51:00):
It's not as good as NASCAR is doing. By the way,
none of us if we were going to pick over again.
I don't even know if any of us were going
to take Brisco last week to win Chase one on
the last lap, and he was probably as surprised as anyone.
But they're racing today at Martinsville. We have two guys in.

(51:21):
We have two guys clearly can make it in on points.
But there's always that thing out there about but what
if this guy wins? And you know, there's Kyle Larson,
and there's Joey Logano, and there's William Byron, and there's
Chase Elliott, and there's guys that could just sneak up
and win one of these things. I'm gonna say the

(51:42):
polls that are William Byron, since I picked him to
win the championship, is going to have to win this
race to make it to the championship round next week.
I'm taking a twenty four car. You can all fight
over everybody else far as I'm concerned, But Dan, how
about you?

Speaker 4 (51:57):
I'll let Brian I'll go last.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Okay, Brian, Well, I got him in the final four,
so I'm gonna have to pick him, and I hate
to do it, but I keep jinking him.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
It seems to be jinxing here a lot, So I'm
taking Joey Logano. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I could feel it coming, all right, PJ.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
I know my guy is gonna do it from the back.
Ryan Blaney, Wow, I've often dreamed of you saying that
he started thirty first. I mean, come on, I know
he's got the best average at this track, and I
feel like they got a good team. They're gonna figure
it out with Pitt's strategy and get back where they
need to be.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Close the deal, all right, Dan, I think the five
is all their step for you.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Yeah, it looks like that's all take. I'll go with
my head and take the five car. Although I can't
I can see Ty Gibbs Lennon a race here today.
I really could. But I'm gonna go with the five.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
He qualified outside of the front row. You think he's
really gonna win before Rich Bickle's favorite driver crash your car.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Come on, hey, he's going to be up there running
interference because right now, as it stands, the three GiB
cars are in so if Ty Gibbs wins this race,
that doesn't allow for much more movement. It just means
Larson and Bell got to fight it out for the
last spot. So I can see Ty Gibbs staying up there.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Can you imagine if for you know, when back in
the day, when there were ten cars in the final
the playoffs as it were, and it was called the
chase at the time, and five of them were rawsh
and everybody was all up in arms. Oh my god,
this is so unfair. So you can't have let's mow
twelve cars or let's go sixteen cars.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
The only good thing is the lawsuit is keeping NASCAR
from trying to redo the invention of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, we got to see first what happens in court
before we can redo the playoffs. And the last system
is out there.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
It worked before, and we see what happens next week.
At this time next week when we're doing this show.
If Zillich and him aren't your champions of the trucks
in the Infinity Series, they're gonna be. They're gonna be coming,
you know, and and then you're gonna see things change.
If Zillich and him win it, then I don't know
that you're so quick to change it, you know, But
I can see there's gonna be an uproar if they don't,

(54:17):
because if you look at the Ladford system and how
it goes, Zilich would have clinched the Infinity Series two
weeks ago, and him would have clinched the Truck Series
three weeks ago.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
As I'm rooting for an uproar mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
So to see how they're gonna handle it. But I
mean they had eleven truck in that's right. He won
a lot. Eleven races. That's like half the races they
have only twenty five in the schedule. And the other
ones it wasn't like he ran thirtieth there other ones.
I mean he was actually running good. The other thing.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Early in the season, remember they said he could have
had five or six wins and he only had like two.
I mean, you could have been looking at an absolutely
incredible season here in the seat if you would have
won all the races he was.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
There, Brian, I can still see mister quintessential NASCAR standing
up at that press conference and saying, you know, and
then when we get to the final race of the year,
it's four cars going after each other and then may
the best car win the championship one race that your

(55:16):
all your golf balls are in one bucket, you know,
and here and I you know, they got what they
paid for. They want a surprise winner. They love surprise winners,
don't you think.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Well, and as far as they wanted, as far as
the Cup Series right now, I mean going into this
final four, there's no I mean, of these eight cars
that we are looking at right now, I mean every
eight of them have a case for being it. The
Cup Series is very very has a lot of parody.
And the Latford system right now would have Christopher Bell
ahead by I think like fifteen if I looked at

(55:47):
it properly, so he would he would be your leader
in the old system. And you know he's gonna have
to fight his way in today. So the Cup Series,
this is playing out like they want it. It's the
truck in the Infinity where you've had incredible performances by
two teams that are just dominating it, where you're like,
oh boy, this better finish showed the way it is
it always. This is gonna have a lot of egg
on our face.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
There'll be a lot of yelling and uh oh.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Speaking of Quintessential Nascar and Brian France, it's been ten years.
You realize that since the crowd went wild at Martinsville
ten years.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
You know, I've seen that video over and over this
week and I was wondering why. That's probably why it
was ten ten. You know that I never saw that happen.
I was on a cruise ship and we were out
until like Wednesday when we came in and I finally
got the news what had happened.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Well, when it happened after Kansas, we all said in
this show, it's not gonna happen that Teladay, but there'll
be something coming on at Martinsville. And then after it,
I remember watching I was I was on the phone
with Ed Kluka watching that race and we could see
the twenty car come back out and I'm like, he's
running slow, and it was like, I think he's waiting
for him, Like, oh my god, he is.

Speaker 11 (56:54):
We saw it coming a couple thats for it was
and oh boy, see Matt. We know, we know he's
got a he's got this this little trigger sometimes and
he was waiting for another time we saw that trigger
is with Greg with Jeff Gordon at Chicago.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Remember that one.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
I remember that one.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
You were there for it, probably saw that.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
One wasn't twenty in two thousand and six. But that
whole deal, the way that led up to that, that thing.
If you think what happened there, Okay, yeah, you got
turned at Kansas, Uh, you know by Joey Legonald. Joey
was in the in the final matter what Matt had
to win this thing in there? I get what he
was doing and yeah was he blocking? Yeah? Did he
need to get turned? I don't know. Then Joey didn't
do nothing about it. Then we went to Talladega, didn't
call right, didn't call him, but they remember Talladega. I

(57:39):
remember that one. The late caution was there. Kevin Harvick
was in the four car. He turned Trevor Bain to
cause the caution to stack the field up to save
himself from getting mocked out of that out of that chase.
And I think that really took Matt off because they
did nothing about that. I mean, Harvick just went and
turned the six car and crashed the field to cause
the late yellow, which end of the race, and sudden
they kept him in and the.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Deal vaguely remember that, Dan, But what blows me away
is that you could remember all that crap all over
the years.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Well, we had friends on that six card. They were
mad that the four tournament and six never paid them
back after that, So I mean I remember that. And
then then the uh they went to Martinsville and the
race was I remember that was upfront most of that race.
But then the Penske cars are playing games with Keselowski
and Legonald. They were playing the cat and alls game.
They're letting each other in and the restarts, and they
stacked the field up and wrecked every behind him much closet,

(58:29):
you know, put Matt in the in the garage and
wrecked his race and pretty much wrecked his season. I
think that is where it was decided that, Okay, we've
had enough. Somebody's got to do something about this and
make a statement.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
And he went on, did hey, Brian, what time are
the Packers playing.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
It's a late game, right, yeah, it's a Sunday night
game twenty In.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Other words, the NASCAR race and the Packer game are
both on the same channel, Channel four, and.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Right into it, Aaron Rodgers faces the Packers for the
first time.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
In. It's in Pittsburgh. It's not like when Brett Fire
walked out onto the field at Lambeau and all the
all the people were grumbling and mumbling, and then he
beat the Packers. Remember that one. So either way they
will not conflict. You will be able to watch both
the race and the game in their entirety, and somewhere

(59:20):
in between you'll be able to Oh, there's no World
Series game, is there? No, it's tomorrow tomorrow. Yeah, back
in La again. So all right, that's good stuff. Thanks
so much.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
At Packer Viking game, it was Packer day at work
and I went, I bought a barber jersey and I
wore it to work. It was the Viking one.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
And if nobody called you an asshole, then let me
do it now.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
No, no, you're a great gunny.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Damn I like that.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, that's right, I forgot you actually liked that. Here's
something to keep in mind. Real race cars have doors
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