1-25-25 Ultimate Outdoors Radio Show

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
You're on board with Ultimate Outdoors Radio on a quest
to bring the outdoors to you.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Once again.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Our resident guides to the outdoors, the Captain and the
Wall Dog.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome back, folks. This is Wally the Wall Dog Bamfie,
along with Captain Terry Friday Morning.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Captain, Hey, it's another Saturday morning. Uh, finally some decent
tempts back. Kind of brutal on the woodpile Wally this week,
but maybe we're kind of over that, but I guess
to make up for it, we're just going to talk
about fishing, and I suppose the people that are not
fishermen are getting tired of talking about fishing. But we

(00:57):
got a bunch of shows coming up, which is good
because people things to do. On this week's show, we're
going to talk with the old muskie legend, Steve Herbeck.
He's always a good interview. He's probably seen everything you
can see in the muskie world, and you know, obviously
probably Wally lost some tips on some new baits and
all that good stuff. And following him is going to

(01:20):
be Tony Grant, who is going to be at the
Milwaukee Musky Expo. Tony is the owner end guy that
Cave Run Lake in Kentucky, and I didn't realize that
they had a pretty good musky population in Kentucky. The
neat thing is Tony is donating the grand prize for
door prizes at the Milwaukee Musky Expo, and you can

(01:42):
win a complete trip to Cave Run Lake.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Wally.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I chat with him. It sounds like you can fish
right into December down there. So pretty cool, you know,
not a bad drive. You and I have done that
about ten hours. So maybe that's a muskie destination for
all the musk But otherwise, every week we get to
talk about gear.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Now, which time for the Ultimate gear Heads. This week's
gearhead segment is followed by Middleton Ford Middleton wiscon say, hey,
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Speaker 4 (02:19):
You don't see that Middleton Ford sticker. You paid too much.
And here's a hot tip. Maybe I just got a
warning on my coolant light. I didn't know that you
could get warnings to change out your cool it. Maybe
that's something you need to do. At about seventy thousand miles, Wally.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
This week's really cool piece of gear is I must
have item if you plan on ice fishing. Some say
man was not meant to fly or walk on slippery ice.
That's why everyone needs a pair of ht frable ice creepers.
Frabo's rubber ice creepers pull easily over most winter boots.
There's ten carboyede spikes per creeper, and they contact and

(02:55):
grip the ice so you don't go flying and land
on your butt. Captain. This year especially, you've needed creepers
because there's no snow cover on the ice.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, you know, Wally, when you talk about those, I
actually have to wear those down on the Mississippi River
bluffs because those bluffs are so steep and there's about
a foot of leaves that have built up over years
and years, and you can't walk on the thing unless
you got a good pair of spikes that will dig in,
because otherwise you're basically just fallen down all the time

(03:27):
because the you know, you slide around on the leaves,
and so yeah, I religiously wear those a deer season
down there when I'm wandering, Wally, what else is happening.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
There's a couple of cool events coming up. There's the
Pheasant Challenge, out there at Cedar Valley Hunting Preserve and
you can still participate till March second, where they put
out fifty pheasants and you have two hours of hunting
to see how many you can get. You can have
up to five hunters as many dogs as you want.
You can hire a guide service for one hundred and
thirty five dollars if you don't have a guide called

(04:00):
Jeff Meyer at Cedar Valley Hunt Preserve if you want
to participate. And the other thing Duffy Cup sent over
is the twenty second annual Intermediate and Advance Muskie School
will take place Saturday, March twenty second at the Wannakee
High School. Starts at seven thirty in the morning. There's
food and great seminars and it goes to about four o'clock.

(04:21):
It's a pretty amazing event.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
It's that time of year, Wally, when the fishing frenzy
has starting. And I actually have some sad news. There
was a drowning on Lake Superior, twenty year old fella.
I guess it happened yesterday. They were out most of
the night searching and no details on Howie drowned. But

(04:45):
you know, Wally, as I go through, especially the social
media pages, the amount of vehicles in the water and drownings.
I don't know where this is going to end up.
And now people are into this night camping where it's
like you're out there camping last weekend with thirty mile

(05:06):
hour wind chills, thirty mile hour winds. And I said
to the guy, because it reminded me of when we
were on Golgeebeek, I said, if you get a white out,
you better know where shore's at if it takes and
blows your shack over. Because remember on Golgebee we couldn't
find shower either unless we had GPS.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I do remember that because that was twenty nine below
zero and then it was windy fifteen to twenty five
north northwest, making it seventy below zero. Captain. Yeah, so
those are some pretty dangerous attempts right there.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, and you're out there all night and something happens
that you know, I mean, elk Cutt we've had wind
completely take our tent over and that's in December, and yeah,
so it can pop at any time. But I don't
know what it is. If social media is driving I mean,
this is it's fantastic for product sales.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
You know if we're stay tuned, Captain, Let's wrap up
this segment. We'll be back and just a minute.

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Speaker 3 (07:48):
Hey, welcome back, folks, and thanks for listening. This segment
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Next is a living legend in the musky world. Steve
is one of the best musk anglers in the country
and Canada. His influences have explored and developed cutting edge
presentations and strategies for locating and catching big muskies. Steve

(08:11):
is a highly sought after fishing guide educator, seminar speaker,
writer and innovator Steve Herbeck. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (08:18):
Well, good morning, Roley, it's great to talk to you, Steve.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
How long have you been guiding and what got you started?

Speaker 9 (08:25):
Well, I started, as you know, because I mean one
of the first years that we fished a couple of
times together back in eighty five eighty six. And what
really got me started going full time, going from southern
Wisconsin to northern Wisconsin to Canada and back, you know

(08:45):
for close to forty years, was I just simply had
to find a way to make a living because as
I was trying to get out of work to go fishing.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, I remember some amazing trips with you back in
ninety four. We were in Canada and one of my buddies,
Bob Acmel, was in your boat and got a forty
pound fifty three incher and we knew at dead time
you were pretty special when it came to the big fish.
You and your clients about it. At least fifty one
muskies over forty pounds, with some up to fifty pounds.

(09:15):
Do you often spot the giant fish and then go
back and catch them steal?

Speaker 9 (09:19):
Yeah, to some degree. The fish are Muskies are much
more migratory than people really ever realized. The bigger the
body of the water, the parter they moved in between spots.
They kind of do a walk about and have half
a dozen or more spots, maybe a dozen spots that

(09:40):
they like to stop at in between their movements. And
so sometimes I'll spot a big fish and I've you know,
it just moved up on the structure. Well it's somewhat
unfamiliar at least for a while, and they can.

Speaker 10 (09:57):
Make mistakes, and I'll go, you know, right back up
on them when there's some kind of a change going on,
and big fish they seem to really want to bite there,
and some kind of a change going on, whether it
be the moon daily moon moons, or weather or sunlight,
cloud changes, daylight to darkness, et cetera. So yeah, some
of them I get like that, but I'll tell you, honestly,

(10:20):
a lot of the really big fish. And that works
for all sides of the fish pretty darn well, because
most of these spots that that big fish is gone,
ann a fish has moved up because the reason that
that spot was good was because it was in a
migratory route that fish used to move around the lake

(10:41):
and feed on forage on baitfish. So a lot of
times will mark a big find a big.

Speaker 9 (10:47):
Fish, see it, don't catch it, or I keep my
eyes and ears open with all the other guys because
they brag and I hear, you know about big fish
being seen, and when it comes to a just periodically
hit that spot, particularly under the primus of conditions, and
that's when I get a lot of the big fish

(11:09):
is quite a while after I've seen it, but I
know she'll be back because she liked that spot, or
just playing blind. Big fish show up on a named
spot that have been out open water, you know, all season,
and then all of a sudden they show up under
the primus conditions and you and as always my firm

(11:30):
belief that the best time to catch a big fish
on structure anyway is the first day or two that
it moves up on a structure and hasn't been harassed
by other people, haven't seen it, and a lot of
baits thrown at it.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Very cool, Steve. Do you still throw the big rubber
baits by Musky innovations? The bulldogs you hit us throwing
those years ago?

Speaker 9 (11:52):
Oh you bet you there, I helped them, you know,
get through some of the design problems with the baits
back in the late eighties. And you know, and it
really originated and one of my favorite lakes in northern Wisconsin,
North Twin and I took it to Canada, and you
know the history of it. But you know them chaos

(12:12):
medusas savage, some of the savages new stuff. Yeah, rubber
is the name of the game in the future. It
can be so realistic. It sounds and fields more like
a real fish in the water.

Speaker 10 (12:26):
And as you know, there.

Speaker 9 (12:28):
Seems to be more and more and more intelligent pressure
these days. Tubes. You know, the rubber baits are really
a mainstay in my boats. I use everything, but the
rubber baits seem to pool the big fish just because
of their more natural movements, sound and it can be
so realism built into them by the manufacturers.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Dave as, someone would like to fish with you, and
I know you're booking a lot for guiding. How do
they get ahold of you?

Speaker 9 (12:58):
Well, they could just go to my website Steve Herbbeck
Fishing dot com and all this contact information is on there.
They can message me on my on Facebook or become
friends if they aren't friends with me, and and they
can message me there that's just playing Facebook, Facebook dot
com slash see herbt B. I'll just quick tell you

(13:19):
my phone number six O eight five one five three
four one six and hervet dot CJ at yahoo dot
com and you can call me and just talk fishing
if you want to. It's not necessarily just to have
the book the strip. I'm I love doing it and
doing it all my life, educating, helping people and uh
I love it, So don't be afraid to give me

(13:39):
a pile you want to.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Hey, thanks a lot for taking time out and have
another great fishing season.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Same to you.

Speaker 11 (13:46):
Weally folks.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
That was Steve Herbick, Stay tuned, will be right back.

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outdoors radio.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Hey, folks, remember to get those dogs off to collech
Cedar Valley Hunt Club in spring Green has plenty of birds.
Give them a holler, they will fix you up. Well.
On today, we're talking a little more musky fishing. Milwaukee
Musky Expo is coming up. Tony Grant from Cave Run
Lake down in Kentucky. How many of you knew that
there was muskies in Kentucky. Well you're gonna find out

(16:13):
about it. So Tony's joining me. Goodmar and Tony good.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Thanks for having me on you.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Bet Tony, you know I was surprised because I never
thought about muskies in Kentucky. But tell people, so, where
is Cave Run Lake located in Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
We're in eastern Kentucky in the foothills the Appalachian Mountains. Morehead,
Kentucky is kind of the biggest city that's near the lake.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, and you know, I've been down there and the
last thing I thought about fishing was a muskie. So
just a little bit about your muskie camp. You just
basically have cabins and guided trips available, Tony and so on.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Well, we have more of a lodge and we offer
guided trips or not individual cabins. We offer a lodge
and added trips, and of course guys a lot of
guys come down and just bring their own boat fish
Cave Run Lake.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, and we should let people know you donated a
I guess it's the grand prize for door prizes, a
trip to your resort for the Milwaukee Musky Expo. And
also was it the Wisconsin Fishing Expo too, Tony am,
I writer, No, it is the Chicago, Oh, the Chicago, Okay,

(17:28):
so Milwaukee, Chicago and Milwaukee, and people there'll be a drawing.
So whoever attends Milwaukee Musky ex bow will be thrown
into that drawing to win that trip, which would be
pretty cool. So, Tony, I was researching a little bit
about Cave Run. You have a bunch of other species
there of fish you don't necessarily just have to fish.

(17:48):
Muskies looks like a pretty good bass population.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
And we've got good bass and coppy population here at
Cave Runs, although our main target fish is musky and
hand then for the past forty some years.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, well, the crappie fishing is worth a drive. Wally,
my radio partner, and I we got to experience that
at one of the Outdoor Writers Association down there. Experienced
that crappie fishing in Kentucky. That is actually worth the drive,
I think myself. But available packages, what do you have
for the family or consumers? And then I'll talk about

(18:25):
some family activities, But what do you offer for the
consumer as far as like a package deal, Tony.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
Well, you know, our biggest draw here is to start
your seeds in early and end at late. We kick
off our steeds in the March first and run it
right up un till Christmas. And we offer two three
and four day packages for example, two anglers for received

(18:53):
three nights lodging and two days fully guided fishing for
eight ninety five. We call it just show up and fish.
You don't have to bring your boat, you don't have
to bring any equipment, make the beautiful drive down a
good touchy maybe stop at the Bourbon Trail and come
into cave run leg and then our bigger package is
three full bays of fishing for two anglers and four

(19:15):
nights in that runs thirteen forty five. We do have
single days we have with fish only without lodging, and
then the packages with lodging, and then we call it
the byob bring your own boat, and we have a
package for four fifty for the week for two guys,

(19:36):
and we have some shorter packages so it's on our website.
But you know, either way, a lot of guys they
come down and just hired guide per a day and
then go out and ben turn their road. And then
some people don't like the d winn rise in their
boat and winter rises again with it. You know, just
show up and fish with one of our guides. We've
got a great guide staff there.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
You go.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
I think it's cool that you're running all the way
to Christmas, because you know, a lot of times things
get cold up here in Wisconsin, and that would be
a nice road trip ten hour drive. So you're gonna
be at the Malauskeie Milwaukee Muski Expo, Tony, and you
will be talking with people there. What about if for
more information I didn't forget to mention that. I would

(20:21):
suggest people just go to your website. A lot of
family activities. I see you're kind of oriented towards some
family activities down there, which is cool. A lot of
stuff available for the lake. So to grab some more
info anybody would like, how about a website, Tony.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
We meet Sam a Kwy Muskie m U s Kie
dot com. Kymusky dot com has all our information. There
are some great stuff in our area, the Bedriver Gord,
the Natural Bridge State Park. If people come in the
summer months, you have beaches and hiking and horseback riding
and four wheel trails. But summer. One to mention real

(21:02):
quick is that we shut our muskie fishing down generally
around your life, for he gets down dangerously hot down
here for the release of the our skis and I
have again during that period. S Oh, they.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
All right, sounds good, Tony, Thanks for taking time to
chat with us. You have a good show and we
will see you there, all right, take you sir, you
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Speaker 4 (23:57):
Another Bizarro Uda Wall Where this was in Maui. I
guess we haven't been to Maui on the Uda segment,
but two men facing felony chargers in Maui for stealing
a pig from an animal sanctuary and staging a fake
hunt for it on social media. The men then entered

(24:22):
the two hundred and fifty pound pig named Eddie they
even named it Wally into a local hug hunting contest
and they won it. According to the pig's owner, Sarah
described Eddie as a gentle giant.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well did they end up shooting Eddie to enter him
in that contest?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
How they? Well, I don't know, but poor hog. They
said that they hog tied him and drug him out
of the cage alive, a hole in the fence and
down a gulch. Wow. Oh, they did kill him, Wally.
They did kill him. They killed him and gutted him
and transported him to the contest.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
So Steady Eddy's gone. That is very sad and I
hope those guys do some jail time.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
You can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Wall, what do you got, well, Captain's time for the
Dakota Sunset Resort. If you want to have a fantastic
ice fishing journey, travel out to Devil's Lake, North Dakota.
It's about ten hours here from Madison area. I talked
to Sean Timmins yesterday. The fishing has been outstanding out there.
There's a lot of big perch being caught, you know

(25:35):
that twelve to fourteen inch size, and many many walleye.
So they have lots of ice out there. If you
want to learn more, contact Shawn or Linda Timmins at
the Dakota Sunset Resort. Captain.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah, Wally little uh, just a little general news. I
found a good story and this is in Wisconsin here Regard.
It's up in the Clam Lake area. With the help
of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, US four repaired sixteen
walking trailhead gates at the Clam Lake Herd's Core Range.
Well is happening, Wally. These ATV ers were going through

(26:12):
these gates and just kind of tearing some stuff up.
So they put a designed tamper proof lock on that,
and it is illegal for ATVs. UTVs to be on
the trail system has damaged some habitat and so they're
locking them down. So hats off to the Army s
and the Forest Service.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Good work out there in the field. Yeap, hey, Kevin.
We've been talking about birds and migrations and stuff. So
ducks are molt migrators when they leave their breeding territories.
Some birds don't necessarily go toward their wintering grounds and
may not even go south. Many ducks and geese will
leave their nesting areas in midsummer and fly in various directions,

(26:53):
even straight north, to get to particular lakes. They're heading
to these different lakes to molt, shedding old feathers and
new ones. Most other kinds of birds molt their wing
feathers gradually, a few at a time, so they never
lose the ability to fly. But ducks and some other waterfall, however,
drop all the large flight feathers on their wings at once,
so they're completely flightless until the new ones grow in.

(27:16):
But before that happens. Many will fly hundreds of miles
to certain large shallow lakes where they can find plenty
of food to eat and relative safety from predators during
this vulnerable period. Did you know that, Captain Well Wally?

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Did you you know bar time? Did you ever drive
the wrong direction?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
A lot of times?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Sometimes? And Monocua?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Oh jeez. Kate and I were heading to fish with
my brother one time. I'll never forget in the up.
He had a little cabin on the Atanagan River to
fish Lake Victoria, cap'n. We're three hours late. Kate and
I were having so much fun and laughing. We ended
up way up by Ashland in the wrong direction, and
so he wasn't real happy about it, but we had

(28:00):
to take a laugh after that. We had so much fun.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Why not a little other news? This is for people
that have not been to Dubuque to the Mississippi River
Museum and Aquarium. It is a fantastic road trip. Everyone
needs to take that. The bad news here is they
have a Gulf of Mexico aquarium there forty thousand gallons

(28:25):
of water. The trouble is they had a leak and
it was some toxic stuff. So that was not good.
It was this propylene gli call which Wally that sounds
like a bomb, but anyway, it just basically wipes out
all the oxygen in the tank. So they're getting that
fixed out up. But the good news is they now

(28:46):
have otter display there, which is pretty cool. And you
know the otters if you've never seen one up close,
they are That's probably one of my favorite animals to
watch in the water. And there there's some good fisher.
They're really good fisher, you know, as far as catching
fish and everything else, and fun to watch them play.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
So also, if you want to see a cool aquarium,
Eagle River, Wisconsin at Guide's Choice Tackle, they have an
in store quarium with Muskie's Captain. That's all I got.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
That's all we got, folks. Thanks for spending Saturday morning
with us. See you later.