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Hey Good Saturday morning.
Speaker 6 (00:32):
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Cherry Friday morning.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Captain Hey Good, Saturday morning. Boy. I'll tell you, Wally,
this fall is I could almost say perfect. Maybe not
so much for guys that want cooler weather for ducks
and stuff, but I think that's that's coming. But the
whole nation is that way. Hunters out West struggling a
little bit with heat, but I think we'll take this
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heat myself. So actually we're kind of prepping everybody up
for a deer season here while he's gonna have Mike
Clark from Lodi Sausage Company and Meat Market Award winning
store over there in Lodi, Wisconsin. And then I'm gonna
follow up with part two of my Dan Gates interview
on the Lion Band line and Bobcat Hunting Band that's
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going to be voted on in November in Colorado. And Folks,
if this is won by the anti hunting group, we
are in trouble because this could happen in many states
in the nation, like twenty four other states as law
that allows them to ballot box vote to manage commerce conservation,
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which is insane. Otherwise, every week we get to talk
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Chuck's got Saint Croix rods, but I have to talk
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While the otherwise in big news and we don't talk
about this much, the big migration for birds is happening.
Actually last weekend was kind of the start of this,
where we're talking hundreds of thousands of birds migrating. And
there's a site called bird Cast State Dashboard. But it's
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kind of interesting because a lot of these the long
distance birds that migrate, they leave earlier than the ones
that take a shorter migration, and so far a lot
of them have not left because too many southerly winds,
so they wait for those northerly winds to get a
tailwind so they can haul. But but there's a couple
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that I want to migrate, and I had to help
them migrate because the woodpeckers pecking hole in my sophat
I had to help him migrate somewhere it wasn't so
it's like he just won't leave him alone. I don't
know what it is.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
So I gotta tell you, I really enjoy watching eagles.
Everyone does. But the osprey has really got it on
the egle. The way they can hover and dive down
four to five feet in the water and catch a fish,
to me is really cool. We're seeing them on Lake
Mendota and also on the lower Wisconsin Rivers, so check
out the ospreys. They are really fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, the whole migration thing is just, you know, it's
something we don't pay attention to. But when you're talking
about birds flying to South America and Mexico, these little birds,
it's kind of it's like, man, they're like champions. They
just get out there and haul. But but otherwise, Wally,
kind of they're harvesting some deer out there, Some of
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the kids are harvesting some looks like, I mean, the
heat's not really you know, helping things. But in Kentucky,
buck Masters reports that the largest eight point are ever
taken with a compound bowl fell in Kentucky, new world record. Now,
the thing they say in this wally is they do
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not include the spread of the buck in their scoring.
So this buck that was just shot scored one fifty
seven and seven eights and the previous record was one
fifty six. So world record coming out of Kentucky. That's
really something.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Very cool, Hey, Capvin. For any of those folks that
like sturgeon fishing, the twenty twenty four sturgeon season was
a good one. At Wilderness Fishing Game in Suk City.
We registered thirteen sturgeon over sixty inches. The biggest was
sixty five inches and weighed seventy five pounds. Was caught
by Elijah Hen and was caught at four to fifteen
pm on the Wisconsin River below the Wisconsin Dells Damn.
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Elijah had caught fifteen jurgeon prior to that big one.
Pretty cool, Cavin.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Absolutely, Hey, quick tip, I got folks, if you're looking
for a place the deer hunt, Michigan has too many deer.
I did a little research. They have combo tags for
non resident one hundred and ninety bucks that's a buck
and a doll, but they are so overrun with deer.
To me, it sounds like it might be a good
road trip, but doesn't sound like you'd have any issues
getting in there to hunt. So check out Michigan for
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a road trip deer hunt. Hey, folks, stay with us.
Mike Clark's gonna join us talking about deer processing and
Dan Gates on the upcoming Lion Van vote.
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Speaker 5 (08:51):
Hey folks, thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
We recently recorded an interview with Mike Clark, who happened
to be in Michigan at that time, so apologies for
a kind of a bad cell signal, but he's an
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Shop load Ie Sausage Company and Meat Market online for
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Street lod I, Wisconsin. Joining us next is the owner
of load I Sausage Company. Mike is an avid hunter
and fisherman and he loves spending time in the great outdoors.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Mike Clark, welcome to the show.
Speaker 10 (09:37):
Hey, thanks, well, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Like, how long have you worked at Lodi Sausage Company
and when did the business first get established?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Sure?
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Sure, yeah, the business actually was established in nineteen thirty nine.
It's been a meat market ever since. My dad bought
it in eighty nine, so he's had about thirty five
years first and then came back about fifteen years ago,
so back about fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Nice.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
I love bringing my deer meat there for your great
sausage and garlic snack sticks. So if someone shoots a
deer and has no place to clean it up and
cut it up, can you guys take a whole deer?
Speaker 11 (10:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, we have a processing plan outside of town
which is nice, so we process whole deer. So anytime, Yeah,
if you want to bring us your whole deer, we
can do that. So that's one of the places that
we have a drop off at. But you stop in
town first fill out the paperwork on how you want
it cut up, and then we take it out there.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Well, if we cut up our own deer and bring
in sausage meat, do we get our own meat back?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
His first question?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
And then is there a minimum amount that we need
to bring in for like sausage.
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Yeah, so during certain times a year we do do yeah,
smaller batches so you can bring that in. We do
recommend about twenty pounds is good to start with right
around there. By the time we add some meat to it,
be for pork comes out to you know, a little
more of an amount there, but otherwise, yeah, we try
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and do small batches. Then during gun season we get
so many deer that we do have to batch some
of the sausage at that time.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Now, how many deer did you get last year? Was
it a good year?
Speaker 12 (11:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (11:14):
Last year was down a little bit from other years.
I think we got about seven hundred was our total
with bow and gun. We've done wards of nine hundred
to a thousand before. So we're open for this year
to be a really good year for the hunters.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
So far, it's a little warm, but when it cools off,
I think it's going to be an excellent year. Now,
we mentioned earlier that you have gift boxes available with
cheese and sausage.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Tell me what's in a gift box?
Speaker 12 (11:40):
Sure?
Speaker 10 (11:40):
Yeah, a lot of our award winning sausages that we
make we put in there. Cheeses from the local area.
So lots of our meats that are smoked and cooked
and that are kind of unique and that we won
awards on. Of course, our bacon this year we wanted
first at the state there, so we're really proud of that.
And that's in a lot of our good boxes also,
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So we send those out around Christmas time and a
lot of people like getting them.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Can you ship them all over the United States?
Speaker 13 (12:10):
We do?
Speaker 10 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, during the winter you know, climate we can
get them around pretty good. Summertime, we have to get
it there a little quicker now.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I know you'll be hunting with your dad Larry this fall.
Do you have any biggies on your cameras this year?
Any big bucks running around on your farm?
Speaker 10 (12:27):
You know, we did, like a month ago, we had
we haven't seen much and then now just this last
week and it's starting to see.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
And so now you guys are bow hunting and rifle hunting,
is that right?
Speaker 12 (12:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (12:42):
We do both, yeah, yep. So we've started bow hunting
about ten years ago now, and that's really been fun.
We've seen so many more bucks on our farm and
just a natural habitat of them moving around and chasing
each other is cool. We're pretty lucky to have that
area and whereabouts.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
This is a family farm where you hunt.
Speaker 10 (13:03):
Thak is where we go. Yeah, my dad's family farm.
Him and his brother kept the farm, which I'm really
lucky to have, and so I grew up hunting there
ever since I've been little. So it's super nice to
stand down there rolling hills.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Generally it's nice to hunt that rut period that's usually
around Halloween in our area. Does that hold true on
your property down there that week right after Halloween?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
It's generally really good.
Speaker 14 (13:36):
Yeah, Mike, thanks for joining us, and we'll see at
Lodi Sausage Company and meet market soon with some venison
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to b processed.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Thank you.
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Dan Gates is with the executive director for Colorado's for
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Responsible Wildlife Management. We're talking about Proposition one twenty seven,
which is a Mountain Lion and Bobcat band potentially coming
to vote in the state of Colorado. So Dan, let's
kind of continue on where we left off last week.
This is called Proposition one twenty seven. And really, if
this goes through, this is banned forever in the state
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of Colorado. Am I correct?
Speaker 18 (16:15):
There?
Speaker 12 (16:16):
Yeah, And theory unless somebody wanted to turn around and
go back and run another ballot initiative, try to reverse it.
But the overwhelming cost of those ballot initiatives are sometimes
you know, insurmountable, especially especially if you lose by a
wide margin. But even if you lose by a narrow margin,
millions of dollars to get it back on the ballots
to try to reverse it is is almost insurmountable. So
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it's best to try to stop it before it gets
any traction and make sure we defeat it on November fifth.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, So, Dan, is there any hope that a Supreme
court like Colorado Supreme Court could stop this ballot box
nonsense where the public votes fish? You know, we should
let people know. Basically, Glenn, I think I'm correct your
Phish and Game has no input on these There are
basically bypassed, but they're forced to manage the results. Am
(17:04):
I correct there?
Speaker 12 (17:05):
That's exactly right. Just like on the wolf introduction power
to parts of all life was not favorable to those
decision making processes, but the voters voted on it. That
vote was at fifty point nine percent to forty nine
point one percent back in twenty twenty. We just put
wolves on the ground in December of twenty twenty three,
and wolves are in the news about every day because
they're causing significant problems, and there's been depredation issues, and
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some wolves have died and cause livestock problems and public
opinion problems. That's what we're hoping to try to turn
around and fort and refute on this is making sure
the college parks of all life continues, continues to have
the ability to manage all of our natural resources, including
mountain lions and bobcats. As soon as you start taking
one thing off, it's easier to turn around and get
other things off, as you're well aware.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Of well and absolutely and I'm guessing we haven't talked
much about the ranchers in the world and the rural people,
but there's been some livestock depredation. And I see they're
relocating some wolves from the Copper Creek bunch. Am I
correct there.
Speaker 12 (18:05):
Yeah, they're relocating those The mail of that pack expired
or was euthanized after they captured him because he had
previous injuries, probably from some guard dogs, livestock guardian dogs.
But yeah, they took wolves in, put him in, they bred,
they had a litter, and they started causing some significant problems,
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and the option was to turn around and let him
do what they wanted to do, or to relocate them
according to what they interpret the management plan. That's where
we're at right now, is now we're getting to the
point where we're relocating relocated and introduced wolves.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And Dan, you and I know what happens when there's
too much basically a livestock, big game kill. I used
to hunt Idaho. The wolves devastated the al Kurds there
in a few years. And hunters don't go there, they
don't spend money, the state doesn't receive if there's animals
are not there, hunters are not going to apply, They're
not going to go spend money at the mom and
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pop stores and so on. So it's it's really a
lose lose situation. Besides what the ranchers have to go through.
Speaker 12 (19:09):
Well, you're absolutely right, but you know, in Colorado we've
got nine hundred and sixty one species of wildlife that
color of Parks and Wildlife is in charge of, and
seventy eight of those are game species. Seventy eight game
species provide all the license funding for those nine hundred
and sixty one species to be managed. A lot of
them are threatening endangered, some of them are just non game.
But it's a collective balance of the ecosystem, and they
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have sportsmen and women have been able to you know,
pay through that process of Daniel Johnson, Pittman, Robertson and
the North American model of wildlife conservation. Bison's purchases support
all conservation efforts, even though not all species are harvested,
and we're hoping that they turn around and make sure
that you know, the general public supports the proven methods
of one hundred and twenty five years of science and
(19:53):
sixty years of wildlife management on mountain lions that has
been proven to expand mountain mountain lion popular the state
of Colorado by twenty fold since regulated hunting has been
employed over the course of the last fifty five years.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, and the thing about this, Dan, and basically the
taxpayers are footing the bill, whether it's reimbursements for livestock kill,
relocating wolves. Is anyone else footing the bill for this
kind of project, Dan.
Speaker 12 (20:22):
Well, essentially the sportsmen and women are, I mean, once
you get into the logistics of the legislative side, they
supplied funding to the wolf introduction, but because the ballots
specifically said that the funding would not come from hunting
and fishing fees, it would come from other non game fees,
but the legislator had to fund that. That's going to
be the same outcome on this. If we get into
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a mountain lion and bobcat deal, you start talking about depredation,
either the state taxpayers will pay it or it will
end up coming out of the game Cast Fund. And
it's senseless to have game Cast Fund expenditures when those
species are not contributing to the game Cast Fund because
they would be banned from harvest.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Last question we got about thirty seconds. Dan, what's your
advice for other states that might have to eventually deal
with this. I don't know if there is any advice.
Speaker 12 (21:14):
But well, if the best thing to do is be
preemptive and be proactive, you know, don't wait for something
to come knocking at your door because they're staking around
the corner trying to figure out how to do things.
And the thing that's important to mention is, well, this
is a bobcat and a mountainline issue.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
Here.
Speaker 12 (21:28):
The definition of hunting is included in trophy hunting, and
their definition of trophy hunting is to stalk, pursue, wound, keel,
or entrap a mountainline or a bobcat. That's a STATS
statutory definition. First time trophy hunting would be defined in
the country. And if they do that, watch out because
every other game species could be on the topping block.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Google that Dan. Thanks for spending time with us. You
did a great job on the subject here. Hey folks,
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Captain Wally, our little commercial spot they're talking about bears, Man,
the bear issues is on the uptake. I see you.
One of the father and son was out and the
son had to blast the black bear that was on
top of his father, and it's just it's like these well,
you know, it's the old story, Wally. If you don't
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maintain your predators conservation wise with harvest, this is what
we get, you know, mountain lions in the homes, bears.
I see there was a bear in three cubs was
in a home out west. They had to euthanize those three.
So this is what you get when you protect them
too much. But anyway, I don't know if you folks
heard about this Bizarro poaching case, and it actually was
(25:24):
in the state of Wisconsin up in Fondilac. Outdoor News
posted it a couple of weeks ago, and I've I've
seen it on many sites, But Fondilac Sheriff's Department and
the Natural Resources Wardens are investigating a deer poaching scheme
involving dozens of deer covering almost two hundred square miles
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in fond Oflac, Washington Dodge Counties. The thing about this
is Wally, which is weird is they're just driving around
blasting these deer and if it's a buck, they cut
their head off, and if it's a dough they just
but lay. Now, this thing is under investigation, and I'm
sure if anyone had any current information might be a
(26:08):
good idea to contact the Sheriff's Department up there and
in fond of lact But it's crazy. They just you know,
with the dough, they just shoot it and leave it lay.
So they're still trying to put this thing together, but
they're saying there's a lot of they're going to find
a lot of dead deer. So I don't know what
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they got out of this. Besides, I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Know, just called a thrill kill.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
And it's pretty sad that people would drive around and
do that with disregard to those deer and just leaving
them lay total waste.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Let's hope they get caught.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, and they do have a couple people that they're questioning,
so maybe maybe they'll spill the beans on their buddies. Wally,
what else you got?
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Well, if anyone wants to go out west to a
really cool place, the Coda Sunset Resort and was Lake
North Dakota is located in West Bay. That's Shawn and
Linda Timmins place. They have excellent duck hunting right now.
There's lots of pheasants this year and it'll be a
great ice fishing season for perch and walleye. We made
the truck there last year. And caught a lot of
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walleyes captain on buckshot rattlespoons. And I know you've had
good luck duck hunting and walleye fishing out there.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, and folks don't put those boats away. I got
a text message from Mike Lewis, a great sponsor of
ours exclusive walleye guide service up in Green Bay. These
big old pig walleyes are making a transition with these
waters cooling down, and basically they kind of head up
towards that Door County area. I used to fish it
quite a bit. And if you want to get a
(27:42):
thirty incher and multiple twenty eights, twenty nine's boy, now
is the time to book a trip with Mike because
it's kind of a tripa a lifetime walley because there's
no small fish up there. I don't know if I
ever caught a twenty incher up there. They were all
just giants.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
I was fortunate enough to go fish with Mike Lewis
the last week of April ray from my work and
his son in law Chris and myself. Man Mike's got
a twenty four foot triton boat with a three point
fifty mercury on. It is very stable out in the
waves and he has dialed in Captain.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
We caught a lot of beautiful fish.
Speaker 12 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Otherwise, more deer news, wally EHD outbreak in northern Indiana,
which is not good. We don't want to see that
popping up in states. We had that in Prai Desine
had it in South Dakota, wiped out the herd, I believe, Yeah,
I was in South Dakota. And also you're seeing more
and more states passing drone use for recovering deer. I'm
(28:43):
sure there's a bunch of laws affiliated with that. I
would check in your state. I know, I believe in
Wisconsin you have to wait. I think you have to
wait twenty four hours. Don't quote me on that. But
so more and more states are allowing this, and they've
got drone I mean the thermal imaging wally so. I
mean it zooms right in on a deer that's laying
(29:05):
dead warm. So I guess that's a positive.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Thinking of that.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Don't forget there's tracking dogs available. If you shoot a deer,
you're not true. Instead, you can call Showing or Linda Timmins.
This past weekend, Briar Reetzlov from Reedsburg. He's ten shot
a monster nine pointer. They called Linda Inn and they
got a dog named Jimmy Dean who's a tracking dog
and found that deer right away. For that young lad.
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That was during the youth gun hunt. So the dad
didn't want the deer to run across the highway where
they could lose it, called in the tracking dog and
they found it in no time.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Good news. Hey want to remind folks why you should
be nice to hunters. Almost six hundred million pounds of
game meat harvested each year, three hundred and sixty three
million pounds of meat consumed by hunters and their family,
another one hundred and twelve million pounds of meat stored
by hunters for future consumption. So you know, for you
(29:59):
folks against unting, the hunters do a lot for the
food banks and so many other things. Well, enjoy your fall,
Thanks for spending a Saturday morning.
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Captain Hey Good, Saturday morning. Boy. I'll tell you, Wally,
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Actually last weekend was kind of the start of this,
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there's a site called bird Cast State Dashboard. But it's
(03:34):
kind of interesting because a lot of these the long
distance birds that migrate, they leave earlier than the ones
that take a shorter migration, and so far a lot
of them have not left because too many southerly winds,
so they wait for those northerly winds to get a
tailwind so they can haul. But but there's a couple
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that I want to migrate, and I had to help
them migrate because the woodpeckers pecking hole in my sophat
I had to help him migrate somewhere it wasn't so
it's like he just won't leave him alone. I don't
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Speaker 6 (04:13):
So I gotta tell you, I really enjoy watching eagles.
Everyone does. But the osprey has really got it on
the egle. The way they can hover and dive down
four to five feet in the water and catch a fish,
to me is really cool. We're seeing them on Lake
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Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, the whole migration thing is just, you know, it's
something we don't pay attention to. But when you're talking
about birds flying to South America and Mexico, these little birds,
it's kind of it's like, man, they're like champions. They
just get out there and haul. But but otherwise, Wally,
kind of they're harvesting some deer out there, Some of
(04:54):
the kids are harvesting some looks like, I mean, the
heat's not really you know, helping things. But in Kentucky,
buck Masters reports that the largest eight point are ever
taken with a compound bowl fell in Kentucky, new world record. Now,
the thing they say in this wally is they do
(05:15):
not include the spread of the buck in their scoring.
So this buck that was just shot scored one fifty
seven and seven eights and the previous record was one
fifty six. So world record coming out of Kentucky. That's
really something.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Very cool, Hey, Capvin. For any of those folks that
like sturgeon fishing, the twenty twenty four sturgeon season was
a good one. At Wilderness Fishing Game in Suk City.
We registered thirteen sturgeon over sixty inches. The biggest was
sixty five inches and weighed seventy five pounds. Was caught
by Elijah Hen and was caught at four to fifteen
pm on the Wisconsin River below the Wisconsin Dells Damn.
(05:58):
Elijah had caught fifteen jurgeon prior to that big one.
Pretty cool, Cavin.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
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for a place the deer hunt, Michigan has too many deer.
I did a little research. They have combo tags for
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and a doll, but they are so overrun with deer.
To me, it sounds like it might be a good
road trip, but doesn't sound like you'd have any issues
getting in there to hunt. So check out Michigan for
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Mike Clark's gonna join us talking about deer processing and
Dan Gates on the upcoming Lion Van vote.
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Hey folks, thanks for listening.
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Speaker 5 (09:35):
Mike Clark, welcome to the show.
Speaker 10 (09:37):
Hey, thanks, well, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Like, how long have you worked at Lodi Sausage Company
and when did the business first get established?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Sure?
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Sure, yeah, the business actually was established in nineteen thirty nine.
It's been a meat market ever since. My dad bought
it in eighty nine, so he's had about thirty five
years first and then came back about fifteen years ago,
so back about fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Nice.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
I love bringing my deer meat there for your great
sausage and garlic snack sticks. So if someone shoots a
deer and has no place to clean it up and
cut it up, can you guys take a whole deer?
Speaker 11 (10:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, we have a processing plan outside of town
which is nice, so we process whole deer. So anytime, Yeah,
if you want to bring us your whole deer, we
can do that. So that's one of the places that
we have a drop off at. But you stop in
town first fill out the paperwork on how you want
it cut up, and then we take it out there.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Well, if we cut up our own deer and bring
in sausage meat, do we get our own meat back?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
His first question?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
And then is there a minimum amount that we need
to bring in for like sausage.
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Yeah, so during certain times a year we do do yeah,
smaller batches so you can bring that in. We do
recommend about twenty pounds is good to start with right
around there. By the time we add some meat to it,
be for pork comes out to you know, a little
more of an amount there, but otherwise, yeah, we try
(11:05):
and do small batches. Then during gun season we get
so many deer that we do have to batch some
of the sausage at that time.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Now, how many deer did you get last year? Was
it a good year?
Speaker 12 (11:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (11:14):
Last year was down a little bit from other years.
I think we got about seven hundred was our total
with bow and gun. We've done wards of nine hundred
to a thousand before. So we're open for this year
to be a really good year for the hunters.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
So far, it's a little warm, but when it cools off,
I think it's going to be an excellent year. Now,
we mentioned earlier that you have gift boxes available with
cheese and sausage.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Tell me what's in a gift box?
Speaker 12 (11:40):
Sure?
Speaker 10 (11:40):
Yeah, a lot of our award winning sausages that we
make we put in there. Cheeses from the local area.
So lots of our meats that are smoked and cooked
and that are kind of unique and that we won
awards on. Of course, our bacon this year we wanted
first at the state there, so we're really proud of that.
And that's in a lot of our good boxes also,
(12:02):
So we send those out around Christmas time and a
lot of people like getting them.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Can you ship them all over the United States?
Speaker 13 (12:10):
We do?
Speaker 10 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, during the winter you know, climate we can
get them around pretty good. Summertime, we have to get
it there a little quicker now.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I know you'll be hunting with your dad Larry this fall.
Do you have any biggies on your cameras this year?
Any big bucks running around on your farm?
Speaker 10 (12:27):
You know, we did, like a month ago, we had
we haven't seen much and then now just this last
week and it's starting to see.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
And so now you guys are bow hunting and rifle hunting,
is that right?
Speaker 12 (12:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (12:42):
We do both, yeah, yep. So we've started bow hunting
about ten years ago now, and that's really been fun.
We've seen so many more bucks on our farm and
just a natural habitat of them moving around and chasing
each other is cool. We're pretty lucky to have that
area and whereabouts.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
This is a family farm where you hunt.
Speaker 10 (13:03):
Thak is where we go. Yeah, my dad's family farm.
Him and his brother kept the farm, which I'm really
lucky to have, and so I grew up hunting there
ever since I've been little. So it's super nice to
stand down there rolling hills.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Generally it's nice to hunt that rut period that's usually
around Halloween in our area. Does that hold true on
your property down there that week right after Halloween?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
It's generally really good.
Speaker 14 (13:36):
Yeah, Mike, thanks for joining us, and we'll see at
Lodi Sausage Company and meet market soon with some venison
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Speaker 5 (13:58):
Thank you.
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Responsible Wildlife Management. We're talking about Proposition one twenty seven,
which is a Mountain Lion and Bobcat band potentially coming
to vote in the state of Colorado. So Dan, let's
kind of continue on where we left off last week.
This is called Proposition one twenty seven. And really, if
this goes through, this is banned forever in the state
(16:14):
of Colorado. Am I correct?
Speaker 18 (16:15):
There?
Speaker 12 (16:16):
Yeah, And theory unless somebody wanted to turn around and
go back and run another ballot initiative, try to reverse it.
But the overwhelming cost of those ballot initiatives are sometimes
you know, insurmountable, especially especially if you lose by a
wide margin. But even if you lose by a narrow margin,
millions of dollars to get it back on the ballots
to try to reverse it is is almost insurmountable. So
(16:36):
it's best to try to stop it before it gets
any traction and make sure we defeat it on November fifth.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, So, Dan, is there any hope that a Supreme
court like Colorado Supreme Court could stop this ballot box
nonsense where the public votes fish? You know, we should
let people know. Basically, Glenn, I think I'm correct your
Phish and Game has no input on these There are
basically bypassed, but they're forced to manage the results. Am
(17:04):
I correct there?
Speaker 12 (17:05):
That's exactly right. Just like on the wolf introduction power
to parts of all life was not favorable to those
decision making processes, but the voters voted on it. That
vote was at fifty point nine percent to forty nine
point one percent back in twenty twenty. We just put
wolves on the ground in December of twenty twenty three,
and wolves are in the news about every day because
they're causing significant problems, and there's been depredation issues, and
(17:29):
some wolves have died and cause livestock problems and public
opinion problems. That's what we're hoping to try to turn
around and fort and refute on this is making sure
the college parks of all life continues, continues to have
the ability to manage all of our natural resources, including
mountain lions and bobcats. As soon as you start taking
one thing off, it's easier to turn around and get
other things off, as you're well aware.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Of well and absolutely and I'm guessing we haven't talked
much about the ranchers in the world and the rural people,
but there's been some livestock depredation. And I see they're
relocating some wolves from the Copper Creek bunch. Am I
correct there.
Speaker 12 (18:05):
Yeah, they're relocating those The mail of that pack expired
or was euthanized after they captured him because he had
previous injuries, probably from some guard dogs, livestock guardian dogs.
But yeah, they took wolves in, put him in, they bred,
they had a litter, and they started causing some significant problems,
(18:26):
and the option was to turn around and let him
do what they wanted to do, or to relocate them
according to what they interpret the management plan. That's where
we're at right now, is now we're getting to the
point where we're relocating relocated and introduced wolves.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And Dan, you and I know what happens when there's
too much basically a livestock, big game kill. I used
to hunt Idaho. The wolves devastated the al Kurds there
in a few years. And hunters don't go there, they
don't spend money, the state doesn't receive if there's animals
are not there, hunters are not going to apply, They're
not going to go spend money at the mom and
(19:02):
pop stores and so on. So it's it's really a
lose lose situation. Besides what the ranchers have to go through.
Speaker 12 (19:09):
Well, you're absolutely right, but you know, in Colorado we've
got nine hundred and sixty one species of wildlife that
color of Parks and Wildlife is in charge of, and
seventy eight of those are game species. Seventy eight game
species provide all the license funding for those nine hundred
and sixty one species to be managed. A lot of
them are threatening endangered, some of them are just non game.
But it's a collective balance of the ecosystem, and they
(19:31):
have sportsmen and women have been able to you know,
pay through that process of Daniel Johnson, Pittman, Robertson and
the North American model of wildlife conservation. Bison's purchases support
all conservation efforts, even though not all species are harvested,
and we're hoping that they turn around and make sure
that you know, the general public supports the proven methods
of one hundred and twenty five years of science and
(19:53):
sixty years of wildlife management on mountain lions that has
been proven to expand mountain mountain lion popular the state
of Colorado by twenty fold since regulated hunting has been
employed over the course of the last fifty five years.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, and the thing about this, Dan, and basically the
taxpayers are footing the bill, whether it's reimbursements for livestock kill,
relocating wolves. Is anyone else footing the bill for this
kind of project, Dan.
Speaker 12 (20:22):
Well, essentially the sportsmen and women are, I mean, once
you get into the logistics of the legislative side, they
supplied funding to the wolf introduction, but because the ballots
specifically said that the funding would not come from hunting
and fishing fees, it would come from other non game fees,
but the legislator had to fund that. That's going to
be the same outcome on this. If we get into
(20:45):
a mountain lion and bobcat deal, you start talking about depredation,
either the state taxpayers will pay it or it will
end up coming out of the game Cast Fund. And
it's senseless to have game Cast Fund expenditures when those
species are not contributing to the game Cast Fund because
they would be banned from harvest.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Last question we got about thirty seconds. Dan, what's your
advice for other states that might have to eventually deal
with this. I don't know if there is any advice.
Speaker 12 (21:14):
But well, if the best thing to do is be
preemptive and be proactive, you know, don't wait for something
to come knocking at your door because they're staking around
the corner trying to figure out how to do things.
And the thing that's important to mention is, well, this
is a bobcat and a mountainline issue.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
Here.
Speaker 12 (21:28):
The definition of hunting is included in trophy hunting, and
their definition of trophy hunting is to stalk, pursue, wound, keel,
or entrap a mountainline or a bobcat. That's a STATS
statutory definition. First time trophy hunting would be defined in
the country. And if they do that, watch out because
every other game species could be on the topping block.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Google that Dan. Thanks for spending time with us. You
did a great job on the subject here. Hey folks,
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Speaker 18 (23:34):
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or to spend a night at our rustic lodge. Visit
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Speaker 1 (24:05):
Does the bear really?
Speaker 18 (24:06):
You know?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
In the woods? You can bet the.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Ultimate Outdoors Radio guys do. Let's get back to the
high Power half hour. It's Ultimate outdo Ours Radio.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Hey, welcome back, folks, and thanks for listening. You know,
people do some incredibly stupid things outdoors, and.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's time for the Ultimate Dumas segment.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
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Speaker 6 (24:32):
If you're wanting to learn more about food plotting, where
to put them, what plant, which time of year, contact
John O'Brien at Grandparey Outdoors and he will give you
some excellent advice.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Captain Wally, our little commercial spot they're talking about bears, Man,
the bear issues is on the uptake. I see you.
One of the father and son was out and the
son had to blast the black bear that was on
top of his father, and it's just it's like these well,
you know, it's the old story, Wally. If you don't
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maintain your predators conservation wise with harvest, this is what
we get, you know, mountain lions in the homes, bears.
I see there was a bear in three cubs was
in a home out west. They had to euthanize those three.
So this is what you get when you protect them
too much. But anyway, I don't know if you folks
heard about this Bizarro poaching case, and it actually was
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in the state of Wisconsin up in Fondilac. Outdoor News
posted it a couple of weeks ago, and I've I've
seen it on many sites, But Fondilac Sheriff's Department and
the Natural Resources Wardens are investigating a deer poaching scheme
involving dozens of deer covering almost two hundred square miles
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in fond Oflac, Washington Dodge Counties. The thing about this
is Wally, which is weird is they're just driving around
blasting these deer and if it's a buck, they cut
their head off, and if it's a dough they just
but lay. Now, this thing is under investigation, and I'm
sure if anyone had any current information might be a
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good idea to contact the Sheriff's Department up there and
in fond of lact But it's crazy. They just you know,
with the dough, they just shoot it and leave it lay.
So they're still trying to put this thing together, but
they're saying there's a lot of they're going to find
a lot of dead deer. So I don't know what
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they got out of this. Besides, I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Know, just called a thrill kill.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
And it's pretty sad that people would drive around and
do that with disregard to those deer and just leaving
them lay total waste.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Let's hope they get caught.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, and they do have a couple people that they're questioning,
so maybe maybe they'll spill the beans on their buddies. Wally,
what else you got?
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Well, if anyone wants to go out west to a
really cool place, the Coda Sunset Resort and was Lake
North Dakota is located in West Bay. That's Shawn and
Linda Timmins place. They have excellent duck hunting right now.
There's lots of pheasants this year and it'll be a
great ice fishing season for perch and walleye. We made
the truck there last year. And caught a lot of
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walleyes captain on buckshot rattlespoons. And I know you've had
good luck duck hunting and walleye fishing out there.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, and folks don't put those boats away. I got
a text message from Mike Lewis, a great sponsor of
ours exclusive walleye guide service up in Green Bay. These
big old pig walleyes are making a transition with these
waters cooling down, and basically they kind of head up
towards that Door County area. I used to fish it
quite a bit. And if you want to get a
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thirty incher and multiple twenty eights, twenty nine's boy, now
is the time to book a trip with Mike because
it's kind of a tripa a lifetime walley because there's
no small fish up there. I don't know if I
ever caught a twenty incher up there. They were all
just giants.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
I was fortunate enough to go fish with Mike Lewis
the last week of April ray from my work and
his son in law Chris and myself. Man Mike's got
a twenty four foot triton boat with a three point
fifty mercury on. It is very stable out in the
waves and he has dialed in Captain.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
We caught a lot of beautiful fish.
Speaker 12 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Otherwise, more deer news, wally EHD outbreak in northern Indiana,
which is not good. We don't want to see that
popping up in states. We had that in Prai Desine
had it in South Dakota, wiped out the herd, I believe, Yeah,
I was in South Dakota. And also you're seeing more
and more states passing drone use for recovering deer. I'm
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sure there's a bunch of laws affiliated with that. I
would check in your state. I know, I believe in
Wisconsin you have to wait. I think you have to
wait twenty four hours. Don't quote me on that. But
so more and more states are allowing this, and they've
got drone I mean the thermal imaging wally so. I
mean it zooms right in on a deer that's laying
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dead warm. So I guess that's a positive.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Thinking of that.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Don't forget there's tracking dogs available. If you shoot a deer,
you're not true. Instead, you can call Showing or Linda Timmins.
This past weekend, Briar Reetzlov from Reedsburg. He's ten shot
a monster nine pointer. They called Linda Inn and they
got a dog named Jimmy Dean who's a tracking dog
and found that deer right away. For that young lad.
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That was during the youth gun hunt. So the dad
didn't want the deer to run across the highway where
they could lose it, called in the tracking dog and
they found it in no time.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Good news. Hey want to remind folks why you should
be nice to hunters. Almost six hundred million pounds of
game meat harvested each year, three hundred and sixty three
million pounds of meat consumed by hunters and their family,
another one hundred and twelve million pounds of meat stored
by hunters for future consumption. So you know, for you
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folks against unting, the hunters do a lot for the
food banks and so many other things. Well, enjoy your fall,
Thanks for spending a Saturday morning.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
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