The "Bowling on the Line" Edition

Both Clemson and South Carolina are at risk of not making a bowl after falling well short of preseason expectations. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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two two six seven to one zero eight, all right
out of the gates On a Wednesday, Former Clips Attiger
offensive coordinator Chad Morse, of course, the former head coach
at SMU and Arkansas, on the program with us every
Wednesday during the college football season this year. Coach, welcome in.
Hope you're having a great week. I know it was
a disappointing loss for Virginia this weekend, but more specifically

(01:56):
with your household Chandler getting banged up in that game.
I hope he's doing our right and certainly looking forward
to kind of seeing how the rest of the season
plays out for those guys. But I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Coach well again, Lote, I appreciate that, and uh, it's
always great to join you every Wednesday. I always look
forward to this, and yeah, just you know, obviously it happens.
That's just part of the game of football. And you know,
a game that we felt that going in that we
felt like that you know, we got them at home
and and you know, we got a chance here to

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you know, continue to control our own destiny. And that's
why you play the game. You know. It's unfortunately unfortunate
that Chandler went down in the very opening part, I
think thirteen plays into the game, and and so that
that was unfortunate, it really was. And and you know
you could sense that that uh, you know that it

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took the wind out of a lot of sales. But Uh,
you know, they came in and they still had a chance,
still had a chance to win, you know, at least
tie the game at the end. But uh, you know,
I do appreciate that think you know, he's going to
be all right. You know, I really feel that way.
And and uh so we'll see how it goes this week.
But uh yeah, you know it and it and it
definitely creates a little bit more of a mess in

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in the in the acc.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh look, no doubt. I mean all the teams with
one loss, we could certainly get into that. But I'll
ask you about from the standpoint of a coach and
handling a situation like that, when you're starting quarterback goes down.
Maybe give us some insight into the preparation that a
guy like uh Daniel Caitlyn would have gone through to
get ready for this opportunity if it were to come,

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and how much work and what does that work look
like for the backup quarterback?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, you know, everybody's different, but you know, having knowing
Tony and and what the way we were, the way
we would do things. Uh, you know, he's getting reps.
He's getting reps throughout the course of the week. You know,
usually getting reps with the number two's and so, uh,
you know he's in obviously, the backup is always in,
and he's always in the meetings and and you know,
you just never know when you're op's gonna come, and

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you've got to be ready for that opportunity when it rises.
And uh, but now it's you know, it's it's pretty
standard that they're gonna get reps to the course of
the week. And you know, you you treat every every
meeting like you're the starter and and uh, and I
know the way they run their quarterback meetings. I know
Coach Lamb does a great job with that. And but
at the end of the day, it's still it's hard

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to replace experience. You know. It's just it is, and
you have to you can't coach experience. And just it's
it's it's earned through the course of of the of
of the battle and and and trial and and and
errors as he goes through. And I thought he did
a did as good a job as you could ask
for as a backup, and you know, and and again it's, uh,

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it's part of the territory. I'm sure he's preparing himself
this week. If he's a starter or if he's a backup,
it can't you can't. You can't waiver on that. And
and we've been on both sides of that with Chandler
and his career, and you're one play away and and
you know, you never know when that one play is
gonna happen. And but yeah, that's that's usually the way
the meetings are structured and the way practices are structured,

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and you know, and it's just that point. It's about
when your opportunity arises, you get in there and make
the most of it.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I think about like some other positions, wide receiver,
running back, where the norm is you're gonna prepare and
you're probably gonna play right, you're gonna get You're gonna
get in the game at some point. I can't imagine
what goes through the backup quarterback's mind for all of
those weeks where you may or may not get in

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Like you're you're sort of on the edge of your seat.
You probably are nervous, not knowing what's gonna happen, and
then boom, I mean something does and you're in the
game and just all of a sudden, the spotlight is
on you. I've got to imagine as a for you,
as a parent of a quarterback, that's a weird spot
to be in. But man, I can't imagine what those
quarterbacks go through when that moment happens.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, I think he's probably more stressful for the parents
than it is for the player because the player is
on the sideline and then bang it happens and you
don't have time to really to get worked up over
to you. You got to grab a ball, you gotta
warm up really quick, and most quarterbacks are warming up
between series anyways, and so you know, you really don't

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have time to really process that. You just got to
go react and got to go play, and that's when
the training kicks in. But as a parent, you're sitting
in the standsine You're like, you know, you're holding on
to every every ounce of every every snap as a backup,
as a backup parent because you want, you know, obviously
you want him to get in and do the best
you can. And so yeah, it's a little bit different

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than knowing you're going to play the whole course of
the week as opposed to just being thrown out there
at a split second.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Chad Morris with this year on the program former Clips
of Tiger oppensive coordinator of course, the father of Chandler Morris,
quarterback at Virginia. The Cavaliers fall sixteen to nine this
past weekend to Wake Forest. Because we were talking off
the air this league and you kind of brought it up.
I mean, there are five teams right now with one loss,
regardless of what happened in this past weekend with Virginia,
this Duke game, given that the Blue Dovels are also

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just four and one in league play, it was gonna
be a game Virginia had to win.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, it's it's definitely a musk win. I mean, regardless,
we could have beaten Wake last week and you still
have to be Duke because if not, they have the
tiebreaker on you with a with a one loss, and
so now it just you know, I felt like coming
into the final three games that we have that you
had to win two of the three and and and
one of them absolutely had to be Duke and so

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uh and it's it's holding true. I think the rest
of the league is gonna work itself out. I think
because you have obviously got Virginia Duke playing each other,
so somebody's gonna be eliminated from the conference race. You've
got you're gonna have Pitt and Georgia Tech playing in
a couple of weeks, So somebody's gonna be eliminated there,
and and so there's some scenarios in there that it's
gonna work itself out, and so, uh, it's just it's

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it's just, you know, it's unfortunate that that's just the
way it is. But this is this is a this
is why November is just a it's a hard month
in college football because very few teams, you know, battling
injuries and very few teams just it's hard, hard to finish.
And I think you're seeing that. And I mean just
like last week with Kyle beaton Louisville at Louisville. So

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it's just, uh, you know, those are just some some weird,
weird dynamics. Just why do you play the game?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Chad Morris with us here on the program and coach,
You've you've obviously been a coach in the Southeastern Conference,
you were an assistant coach in the ACC, you were the
head coach technically the school that would join the ACC.
Now in SMU. When you think about like the way
the league is perceived. What would you say about that
perception being a guy that also coached in the Southeastern Conference?

(08:47):
I mean, is the ACC. I'm not I'm not trying
to say it's the SEC, okay, and I'm not trying
to say it's the Big Ten? But does this league
get overlooked? Are these teams better than what maybe people
give them credit for?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Well, I think, you know, having been a head coach
in the SEC, there is that stigma of uh right,
wrong and different. But the way the perception of the
entire league of the SEC is that we're the SEC,
and we you know, we battle each and every week.
There's no there's no one off. I mean, you got

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to you better have your a game every week. And
and so that that was the kind of the persona
through the SEC. And you know, you know, and I
haven't been in the ACC, you know how how the
perception is. I mean, there's some great football in the ACC.
And and as you're seeing here through the records, this
the parody. I mean, anybody can beat anybody, and I

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think a lot in One of the things that's kind
of is not mentioned here is with the transfer portal
happening now it's it's it has leveled the playing field
for so many schools where in the past, you know,
you you had, Okay, here's your here's your dominant two teams,
and more than likely this is what the two teams
are going to look like at the end, or maybe

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there's three in a league. Now, the parody and because
of the transfer portal has has really leveled out a
lot of the playing fields. And and I think you could
look at even across all of the conferences, not just
the SEC or the a SEC, but when you look
at you know, when you look out there and you think, well,
there's there's probably really about three to four dominant teams

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out there. Uh, and then and then everybody, and then
it's everybody else. I call it a yo's all you others,
And it's just it kind of falls in that next tier.
But yet you look at Indiana playing Penn State last
week and it took a tremendous drive on the last
drive of the game for them and a great catch

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or they're sitting there with loss now. So it's just
you got to be ready to play every week. It's
just it's just a way no matter what conference you're in.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Chad Moore is hanging out with this. You talk about
that catch, uh in that Penn State Indiana game. That
might be one of the best receptions I've ever seen.
How that kid got his left foot down first when
his right foot is the one closest to the ground. Coach,
I mean, I don't even know how you practice that.
I can't. I can't figure out if that was just

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incredible you know, skill, or if that was just dumb luck.
I mean, that was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, and I was watching it live when it happened,
and you know, it was to me, it was just
an unbelievable play that the kid made. I think it
Obviously he's got a great skill set and extremely athletic
play at that point. But I mean it was just
it was it was just, you know, again, hats off
and and again. Sometimes it just it just works out

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that way. I mean, there's no there's no rhyme or reason.
I mean, the kid, if the kids shoved just a
little bit harder, he's out of bounds and it doesn't count,
and and the game's over with. But but it, you know,
it just it just it just worked its stuff out.
But I think the kid made a tremendous play. I
think it is extremely athletic play. And for that kid
to go up that high and you can even see
his head come down and look look as he's going down.

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I mean it was just a you know, Destiny's got
a great way of working things out.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
No, there's no question about that. And so this week
Nick Saban on game day mentioned that he had called
Dabo Sweeney just to kind of talk to him, and
basically the message was, Hey, if you've coached long enough,
you're going to have a season like the one Clemson
was having. And obviously the Tiger fans were excited to
get a victory over Florida State this past weekend. We
could certainly talk on that. And you know, Dabo Sweeney

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and Nick Saban have faced off multiple times in the
College Football Playoff, in national championship games, in one semi
final as well, and you know they have clearly a
good relationship because of that. I would say, but who
are some of the coaches maybe that you would lean
in on outside of Dabo Sweeney. Maybe is one that
you would say, you know what, you could pick up

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the phone. They might pick up the phone and call
you in the midst of a season that maybe wasn't
living up to the expectations that you had going in.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I was actually talking to a coach today about that
the same thing. And you know, obviously coach Flinny and
we talked about that, you know, he would be one
that I would I would reach out and talk with.
But there were really two that really stood out to
me because you're always looking for someone that's gone through
what you're going through. And uh, Mike Brown was huge

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for me. Mike would reach out and and Mike would
would you know, he would call or he that would
be someone that that I could relate to and I
could call and and uh and seek advice and and
so Mike was huge for me. And then another coach
that was really big for me was was David Bayliff.
And David was a head coach at Rice UH and

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and during those great times and he and he and
head coach at Texas State way way back before they
were Division one and just a just a good guy
that's well thought of and has built programs. And so
I would reach out to David as well. And but
really Mike, Michael was huge for me. And just just listening.

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You know, sometimes you just want to listen to somebody
and or you want to be the one talking and
they just need to listen. And and so that that's
that's you know, those are usually the you know, a
couple here and there that you you know, you want
to relate to and talk with, and but you try
to relate to someone that's going through or has gone

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through what you've gone through. And so that was that
was huge.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, I think about like in that business. We we
kind of touched on this a few weeks back. It's
a pretty intimate circle. And you know what's amazing about
the name that you brought up there at mac Brown
is I can remember when he returned to North Carolina
it felt right. Like I'm not saying he didn't feel
right at Texas. I know he won a national title.

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But there are certain guys that make such an impact
in the leagues that they are in or with the
schools that they are with that even when they make
a return. And I can't say the same for Rich
Rodriguez at this point at at West Virginia, right, But
I mean, he is a guy that's returning to where
he once coached. And I think sometimes that when you've
had that right fit and maybe you move on but

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then return. It's a it's a heck of a story.
And I think mac Brown's return. I remember seeing him
at the ACC kickoff the first time and I thought
to myself, Man, it just feels like he's at home.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah it is. It's it's uh, you know, he and
actually he and I talked about that. I would talk
to him several times at different events and and uh,
you know, sometimes it's you leave a place and for
an extended period of time and you realize how good
the people are, how good the place is. And then

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when he goes back, you you know, you sense you
just sense a fresh start. He just looked better, he
felt better, he was more himself, you know, And that
was that. It's funny he said that because I was
with him at an event in May this past year
and we talked about those things, and he's just like
you know, chess. Sometimes just a fresh start or going

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back to a place that you love and it makes
you appreciate it even more.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh yeah, no doubt again. Chad Moore is hanging out
with us here on the program for a few more
minutes talking college football. Let's talk about that Clemson in
Florida State game. Here's what I look. I know you're
gonna probably tell me I'm unfair on this coach, but
I basically said, if the team that Clemson was playing
had not been kind of I use the word in

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nept probably not fair. I think Clemson gets beat last weekend.
I did think Clempson was all that great twenty four
to ten. I don't know what you saw, but I
saw that Florida State was just a sloppier version of
what Clemson put out there on the field. And I
thought that Clemson did just enough to win and Florida
State did enough to lose.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well, I think it. You know, and people are probably
going to disagree with me, but you know, you get
to a point in time in the season and things
have not gone your way, and especially over the last
several weeks, and especially the last six five six games
at home, it hasn't gone that hadn't gone my way
outside of Troy. You just try to find a way

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to win. And there's no such thing as a coach.
There's and and I'll tell you a quick story on this,
but there's no such thing as an ugly win. You
may not play well but you won, and we'll fix
it on Sunday, and I'll reference back. We were playing
Virginia Tech and I told this story on here before

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a few weeks ago. But playing Virginia Tech, and it's
a I don't know second or third year. I can't
remember what year it was. It's probably two thousand and
I don't know twelve or thirteen. Got them at home.
We just played them the year before twice in the
ACC Championship and then at home and beat them both times.
And and I'll never forget. They hold us about two
hundred and something yards of offense, and but we won.

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We had a return of want to win, play play
awful offensively, just they had something on us. And Bud
Foster was just he had me schemed up good. He
had done all off season studying us. And I was
so upset after that game. And if you didn't know
any better, you would have thought we lost. And I
was so ticked off. And I remember Coach Winning seeing

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me in the tunnel as we're walking into the locker room,
and he stopped me and he said, listen to me.
He said, we just want a game. And he said, uh,
you know, if winning is not good enough for you here.
If you're upset because we won, he goes, Coach, that's
not a good thing. And I said, well, coach, we
didn't play good. He goes, Now, listen, I understand that.

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But with those kids, we just want a ball game.
We'll go in and we're going to celebrate the win.
But but on Sunday, now it's game on. Now. Now
you can get all all into those coaches and all
the end of those kids you want, but for right now,
we just want a game. And so, yes, did I
see the game. I did not. I've watched bits and
pieces of it. We got our game at the same time.

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But listening and talking to people, you know, I know,
I know Florida State had some opportunities and drop some
ball and it was just kind of I get it.
But we won, and that's a great thing, and there's
a lot to be taught off of it. But you
can't you know again, you can't sustain that playing at
that level the whole time. You gotta you gotta keep

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keep grinding and keep keep climbing. But but you won,
and you gotta you gotta build off of that. And
so I hear you, and and it's a it's a
delicate balance because the last thing you want to do
when you walk in that locker room is for your
kids to see, Okay, we just won, and now when
is not good enough? And so it's it's just a

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delicate time when you're dealing with with with eighteen to
twenty four year olds on the right time to address
the fact that this is not acceptable, or we not
play like we should play.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Quick break, we'll come out more. For Chad Morris, right
after this long swan Clemson Sports taught Chad Morris still
hanging out with us here on the program. Coach, you
were talking about like the delicate balance after a whin
where maybe you didn't play as well as you should have.
Give us some more thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
And I assure you you know, when I got back
in that office on Sunday, I'm sure all that was.
There was some some addressing of that. But but you
don't have time to dabble in it because you've got
a short week and you're going to a very tough
environment on Friday against Louisville, and so you got to
find a way to Hey, we got to build off
this win. We got to improve on some of the
things and we got to play better and we got

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to move forward.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, I feel like you got my notes. That's my
next thing. What's a short week look like? When I
mean Dabos Sweeney said today it's Tuesday in the real world,
but it's Wednesday for us when you have to advance
that that calendar, I mean, what is that like for you?
I feel the thing I did say this on Monday Show.
I feel positive for Clemson that it's a short week

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between a victory and getting back out on the field.
Like I feel like that's a good thing for Clemson.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
It is. You know, you you you you do some
studying in off season to help for that one extra
day that you're you're not gonna have. And so I'm
sure just like we did. You know, there was some
studying done in fall camp. There was studying done there
and there in the summer on Louisville that kind of
gets you that day made up, so you're you don't
walking in Sunday unprepared, but really Sunday is is you

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know when you walk in there on that Sunday, it's
really like a Monday. And and you got to flip
the script and you gotta, you gotta speed some things up.
But uh but at the same sense, you know, you
you still gotta you gotta go back to work, and
you know, it's it's it's tough early in the week
as a coach because you're used to a certain routine, uh,

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certain schedule, and you know, and you got you got
your own way to flush the previous game out and
just to move on and and get a few hours
of sleep. Uh, But when you go on a short week, it's, hey,
we gotta we gotta turn and flip the script quick
and now on the on the the back end of it,
you know, after Friday night s game, and then they'll

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then they'll have a Saturday that they'll have a chance
to step back and get away from it and and
debrief and and and get that extra day made back up.
But yeah, you know, you try to try to prepare
a little bit more on the front end during your
summer studies and all that stuff for weeks like this.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
All right, final thing, coach, and we'll get you out
of here again. Chad Moore is hanging out with us.
You know, we talked, I think one of our first conversations,
we talked about the fact that you were a Texas
A and M graduate. But in the midst of all
this talk, the thing I'd never asked you, who'd you
grow up rooting for? Like, who was who was your
team when you were a kid in your household?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
You know, I was. I was just kind of all
over the place. To be honest with you, I loved
Oklahoma and I loved the triple option and the wishbone
and and uh, I for whatever reason, I just I
love that. I was when you know, you had the
the uh you know, when Barry Switcher was there, and
I remember as a kid going to going to football
camp up there, and because I was just enamored with

(23:03):
the wishbone offense.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Now I wasn't very fast, and I don't know why
I liked the wishbone offense, but but I just liked
because it was just it was it was you know,
of course that was the time, and it was so
so popular, and you know, when that wishbone is working,
it's just a thing of beauty. But uh, yeah, you
know I rooted for you. I rooted it for A
and M. And I really I just loved the game.

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I really don't know if I had a team that
I was just like, absolutely, this is the team I
root for every week. I mean, it was just it
was more or less just just loving the game and
what games were being played.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, when when I was a kid, you know, Clemson
was running that that triple option kind of offense as well.
And I remember the Citrus Bowl in nineteen eighty nine
when they played against Oklahoma and I think Oklahoma had
maybe just won the national championship recently, and Jamil Holloway
was their quarterback, and man it was I mean, you know,

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the game lasted two hours and ten minutes with those
two offenses.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
No fight through, oh man, coach. Always always great to
chat with you. Best of luck. I hope Chandler is
fully recovered by the weekend, but either way, best of
luck to the Cavaliers. A huge game against the Duke
Blue Devils, and then of course Clemson just a few
days away. Hard to believe Friday Friday Night up in
the Derby City taking on the Louisville Cardinals. And we'll

(24:27):
definitely recap it all with you next week. And hey,
we're getting close to rivalry week, coach, Clemson Carolina, it's
right around the bend.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
It's coming. It's coming. You got Virginia Virginia Tech, so
it's going to get to live that one too, So yeah,
it is. And then it's always great joining you and
again always always love to share some knowledge with our
tiger Tiger faithful out there and man, just pulling for
the Tigers this week and pulling for the Wahoos and
let's let's see what happens.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yes, there no doubt about it. And again we appreciate
you hanging out with us. Chad Morris here on the show.
The Shakespeare south Land coming up in our number two.
Jack Veltriegamecockcentral dot Com planning to be here at a
little later than usual. Yesterday Mike Eva of course joined
the program. And man, hard to believe, but we are
closing in. We are closing in on Friday's kickoff between

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the Clemson Tigers and the Louisville Cardinals. And you know,
Clemson isn't just in terms of the team, you know,
right that's falling off Kklubnick and the ratings for the
NFL Draft, where he was projected as maybe one of
the top picks, if not the top pick in the
NFL draft, and where he's fallen in terms of the

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Power four quarterbacks. ESPN took a look at that as well,
So we might take a gander at that situation as
your four and five unranked Clemson Tigers go to seven
and two and ranked number twenty Louisville team seven point
thirty on ESPN on Friday night, and taking a look

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at the conference. You know, as we noted, five teams
currently five of them sitting with one loss in the league.
And that's why this is a game that, regardless of
what happened last week for Virginia, they were going to
have to defeat the Duke Blue Devils because if Duke

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beat you, as coach said they would have, they would
have the what do you call it, the tiebreaker, I
don't know why, tiebreaker, swanee tiebreaker. Yeah, they would have
the tiebreaker. And so this week, here's what the schedule
looks like in the Atlantic Coast Conference in terms of
sorting things out down the line. Now, Louisville's already got

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two conference losses, so with a win, you know, Clempson
would go to four and four and drop Louisville to
four and three. But neither of these teams at this
point really in the race for Charlotte. Notre Dame plays
that pitatn Ardoozy made some statements about how that game
doesn't really matter, and he's right, it doesn't really matter
in terms of the college football playoff. I mean, you
can lose that game to Notre Dame and still get
into the a SEC Championship because Pit's a five and

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one team. Right now, NC State is taking on Miami.
This was a game that we would have thought would
have been in the mix for the AEC Championship, but
right now Miami is a team with two losses, so
that game doesn't really play into it. Georgia Tech at
Boston College. Certainly, if Georgia Tech were to get beat
or they could move to six and one in the league.
Virginia and Duke are facing off. One of those two
teams will go to either six and one if it's

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Virginia or five and one of its Duke. And really
those are the only games that play a factor. We'll
be right back Clemson's Sports, Tall and Swann on a
Wednesday afternoon coming up. Jack Veltrie Gamecockcentral dot Com joins
the program. It's speaking of the game Cocks last night
right here in the Midlands, the Clemson Tiger women's basketball

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team made their way down to Fight to battle one
of the pre eminent women's programs in the country, the
South Carolina game Cocks. Under their leadership, under the leadership
of Dawn Staley Man, they have become a behemoth. And
I said yesterday, I thought Clemson would be lucky to

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keep it close. Sixty five thirty seven. The final score
just a blowout, and Clemson fault early. You would expect
that fact, and they did fall down nine to nothing
and then kind of kept that margin for a while.

(28:33):
But South Carolina closed the game scoring twenty points in
the fourth quarter and Clemson scored just two and the
Tigers missed. I want to say their final maybe their
final twenty shots. Let me get the stat broadcast. I

(28:56):
can't remember if it was twenty or twenty one, but
it was, you know, not a great finish by any means.
The stat broadcast normally keeps a streak and I don't
see that number, but I could tell you they were
zero for seventeen in the fourth quarter. Clemson was down

(29:18):
by ten thirty five, forty five to thirty five, and
entering the fourth quarter in South Carolina outscored him twenty
to two. Here's Sewan Poppy following.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
The Game's all thanks everybody for being here. Obviously big
matchup here, Clemson South Carolina. You know, I thought we
we gave him, We gave him a run there for
three quarters and then ran out of gas. That they
got a really good basketball team over there. We knew
that coming in seeing it up close and personal. I'm

(29:56):
not sure you realize how big they are until you
sit there on the sideline and they're so long and
a team similar to us. That that's I'm still, you know,
trying to figure each other out with so many newbies,
but that's a team that's gonna make a really deep runs.
As everyone is kind of predicted. I think they're all
of what the predictions say. So, you know, for us,

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it's a good opportunity to go back and watch film.
I thought we competed. We did not make shots. Obviously,
that is supposed to be a strong suit of ours.
If we go five for thirty three, we're not gonna
beat anybody, but the thirty three attempts is something that
will probably be consistent for us. So we got to
find a way to to make some shots and finish
the game. But ultimately a good opportunity for us to

(30:39):
learn from this game. And we're right back to work
as we had to head home to play American and
then a really big one on Sunday against Louisville.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's shown poppy and when he said five of thirty three,
he meant from the three point art, they were five
of thirty three just fifteen percent. They shot fourteen of
sixty one for the game from the field, that's good
for twenty three percent. But again that final quarter ozer
for seventeen just abysmal. And South Carolina wins the game

(31:11):
by twenty eight points, but they outscore Clemson by eighteen
points in that final frame, twenty to two. Now, as
for the Clemson men's basketball team, last night, they were
playing up in Little John Coliseum and the Tigers come
away with a victory over Morehead State, led by r. J.

(31:34):
Godfrey who had a double double thirteen points and eleven
rebounds and Jake Wallin, who had a season high fourteen
points in the game. Eighty three fifty one the final score.
And I retweeted last night a post from Clemson's basketball

(31:54):
sid Ben Winterrod. The third time in school history that
the Tigers have won their first three games by twenty
five plus points. So Clemson basketball moves to three and
oh on the season, and they will head on the
road to face Georgetown the Hoyas this weekend. That'll be

(32:19):
a noon tip off on Saturday on Peacock. So with
Clemson basketball playing on Friday night, I'm excuse me, Clemson
football playing on Friday night, Clemson basketball playing on Saturday,
you'll be able to check out that game if you
have Peacock. And I don't know much about, you know,

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this Georgetown basketball team this season. I know in my
life traditionally Georgetown has been a really good basketball team,
much like Clemson. I think they've got maybe what six
guys something like that that have transferred into the program,
and so this this will be a bit of a

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measuring stick, I would say for both of these teams,
as they are undefeated at this point, very early in
the basketball season. Here's Brad Brown now following Clemson's victory
over Morehead State last night.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
I loved how we shared the ball again, took care
of it nineteen assists, five turnovers. Team's done a terrific
job of really passing and taking care of the ball,
and I think those those possessions have been been really
good for us. Would have liked us to play better
defense in the second half. I didn't think we were
as locked in defensively as we needed to be. And

(33:39):
and give their kids credit, I thought they made some shots.
We needed to rebound better that helped them. But all
in all, good performance, solid on both ends. And you know,
it's been a good first three home games for us.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
So again that's Brad Brown now talking about this Clemson
Tiger basketball team as they topped Morehead State. In addition
to Wallin and Godfrey, Ace Buckner had his third straight
double digit scoring game with twelve points. Coming off the bench.
He was four to eight from the field with five

(34:18):
rebounds and to assist, providing what certainly feels like again
in this eighty three fifty six victory over Morehead State,
a nice spark. He seems to be a nice piece
and as a young player. And it's a team remember
that lost so much coming into this season, and with

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so many guys from the portal, you didn't know what
you were gonna get. It's nice to see a young
guy like that playing the way he's playing. Clemson finish,
going six of seven from the field. The Tigers were
eleven to thirty from beyond the arc in twenty nine
of sixty two from the floor. That's forty six point
eight percent and nearly thirty seven percent from the three

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point arc. All right, with a quick break, we'll come back.
We'll put a bowl on our number one right after
this final segment of our one Clemson Sports. Ok. Hey,
don't forget about our friends at Alumni Hall right there
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(35:26):
Hall where Tiger fans shop and hey, speaking of Riggs Field,
right there in Clemson, the women's soccer team earn their
twenty fifth NCUBA Tournament bid. They will host Liberty on Friday,
So the Clemson women are in the men awaiting to

(35:47):
find out their destination. But the Clemson women will be
back on the pitch this weekend, the twenty fifth NCUABLEA
Tournament appearance, the last one coming back in twenty twenty three,
when the Tigers reached the College Cup semi finals. The
program has played in the NCAA Tournament four out of

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the last five years and has made all but one
tournament since twenty fourteen, waiting for that special season for
the Clemson women's soccer team. And again they're not one
of the better seeds in the tournament. But soccer, believe me,
as a soccer dad, it's a funny sport. It truly is.

(36:33):
You just never know what's going to happen in that sport.
Anybody can win on any given day and it doesn't
take like a miracle for you to win. You go
and look at like the Clemson men's team and the
way they've lost some of the games that they've lost

(36:58):
this year, and then you go look at shots on goal,
like Clemson. Maybe I'll take eight shots in a game
and those eight shots get saved and the opponent gets
two shots, but they make one of two. They you know,

(37:19):
the opponent in that situation capitalizes and you're not able to.
But you were putting more shots on goal. And you
know that in this sport, shots on goals typically, shots
on goal typically equals victories. I mean, that's just how
this sport is. But when you're not capitalizing and you

(37:41):
make one mistake and you give up a cheapie and
you can't get it back, or you end up with
a tie like Clemson's eight five and three. Now I
hate ties, I absolutely hate them because to me, I
think it it does give an indicator of kind of
where you are, but it might skew who you are

(38:01):
because you might give up a late goal that you know,
maybe you were in control of a match and you're
up one to zero and a team just happens to
get a kind of a fluky play late in the
game and there's not enough time for you to capitalize
and go back and win it where you would have otherwise.
You know, if that game was a little bit longer,
you win, So you're clearly the better team. But either way,

(38:24):
I mean, at this point, both of these teams are
going to be in postseason play. I know the Clemson
soccer team is disappointed at the fact that they lost
two of their final three games and tied the other one.
They haven't won a match, if you can believe this,
They haven't won a match since back in October. October

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twenty first was the last time the Clemson men's soccer
team won a match, and They're still waiting on all
of the conference tournaments to end, and the Atlantic Coast
Conference semi finals are tomorrow at five point thirty. Top
seeded Virginia will face twelfth seeded Cal Cal beat Pitt Pit.

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Of course, the team that top Clemson Pit, the thirteen seed, however,
in the league, was at one point one of the
top teams in the country. Earlier this year. They got
beat by Cal, and cow will face Virginia tomorrow at
five thirty. And then in the bottom half of the bracket,
it'll be the sixth seeded Syracuse Orange facing off with

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seventh seeded SMU. So to give you an idea of
the parody in this conference, that tells you everything you
need to know, as the sixth seeded Syracuse, which is
a great soccer team, beat third seeded North Carolina three
to nil to get to that semi final game, and
SMU who is the seventh seed, beat Stamford one nill

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to get to that semi final. Clemson was the fourth seed.
To give you an example of how this thing played out,
the Tigers would have been squarely in the mix if
they could have just gotten past Pit. There was a
tight game, but that's that. That is the way the
sport goes. The championship game, the final of the a
SEC tournament will be played on Sunday, and then I

(40:15):
would I don't know when the release comes out, but
I would guess Monday, maybe Sunday night, because that ACC
championship game is at one o'clock and it's possible that
most of those games will be early so that there's
an evening selection show for soccer. So both the Clemson
men and women will certainly be in postseason. And now

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the question becomes, can either put together a magical run,
especially for the Clemson men. I mean the job that
has been done by Mike Noonan to elevate this program
back to where it once was one of the top
programs in the country. They've always been pretty good. I
mean they'll have because of the level of competition in

(40:59):
the conference. You know, they'll have a lean season, you know,
every once in a while, but Mike Noonan has really
kicked things up the past I would say six seven years,
dating back to the twenty nineteen season where they went

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eighteen two and two and reached the NCAA quarterfinals. They
were actually the runner up. Under this tutelas back in
twenty fifteen, but I mean they had a seven to
nine year and twenty eighteen to me not great, but
really since twenty nineteen, they went to the quarterfinals. The
following year, twenty twenty, they were fourteen three and three,
went to the round of sixteen, won the ACC Championship.

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The next year they went sixteen to five and two
won the National Championship. The next season they were thirteen
seven and one, got knocked out in the second round
of the NCAA tournament. Then in twenty twenty three they
go fifteen to three and five, They win the ACC
Championship in the tournament, and then they win the National
Championship for the second time in three seasons. And then

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last year they were a very good team fifteen three
and four, ended up second in the league and got
knocked out of the NCAA tournament the third round. But man,
under Mike Newton, they've been really, really good. All right,
Coming up, Jack Veltree joins us from game cock Central
dot Com. Stay with us.

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to one zero eight. All right, Jack Veltrie joins us
to South Carolina Game Cocks. Off of a bye week.
They will head out to Texas A and M to
face the undefeated Aggies. That is a noon kickoff on ESPN.
That means it's an eleven am kickoff for South Carolina

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out in College Station. The Aggie is favored by nineteen
and a half going into the ballgame. Jack, welcome in, buddy,
Hope you're having a great week, not too bad, man.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
Thanks thanks for having me on as always.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
Sorry a day later than normal, but you know we're
wrapping up fall baseball action here in Colombia with South Carolina.
Actually I have another scrimmage today, last one of the
falls of the game Cocks. But yeah, man, happy to
be honest.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Always listen, it's weird. South Carolina's going out to College
Station and you know that time zone, it's gonna be
an eleven am kickoff. I was trying to think, like,
in all my years covering Clemson, I really don't recall
them ever having an eleven am kickoff local time where
they are. What do you think that's going to be
like for those guys, because I mean that is early

(44:35):
and unusual.

Speaker 8 (44:37):
So it's it's funny you mentioned that because two years
ago when Carolina went out to College Station, it was
also an eleven am kick because it was new, it
was new in Eastern time, but of course because it's
Central time right out there at eleven, so I've seen
what it's like before when it's that early, And to

(44:58):
be honest with you, I think I prefer an early kickoff.
I think the players and coaches probably would tell you
the same thing as well. You hear it many times
before it. If they could wake up and play football,
that'd be.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
Great rather than waiting all day.

Speaker 8 (45:13):
But yeah, man, I mean look the atmosphere out at
Kyle Field. I think people have questions about that with
how early the game is. It's still from my experience
of going out there two years ago, it's I expected
to be as normal as usual. I mean, those fans
are crazy. They're going to pack it out and it
should be a really good environment Saturday morning.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, I would think so, especially given where they stand
right now in the college football Playoff rankings, given the
fact that they're undefeated, and you know, when they hire
Jimbo Fisher, I think it's more than fair to say
they thought this was going to be where they were
under his tutelage. But you see the job that Mike
Elko did at Duke and now having that transfer there
to College Station. I mean, what do you make of

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the job that he's done in just a couple of
seasons out there.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
It's crazy the job he's done. Because the thing about
A and M is that they've always kind of been
hit or miss with just you know, some really potential
to do some good things, but they've you know, kind
of underperformed in recent years. And you know the thing
with A and M. I mean again, like they've had

(46:17):
some real good teams, but always seem to hit that
bump in the road along the way. And you know,
I've never really been able to shake that off until
this year where it seems like they finally got everything
coming together.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
And I think there's a team that is for real.
I think they're legit and really have.

Speaker 8 (46:37):
A chance to go undefeated the rest of the way
because I know they have this game this weekend, they
get SAM for next weekend, and then it's off to
Austin to face texts at the end of the year,
which could be a tall task.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
But this A and M team top the bomb is
really good.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Jack veltri again Gamecockcentral dot Com, part of the All
Three Network. Here's what I will say, just eyeball in
their schedule, and I'm not the only person to be
critical of it, but it's the quality of the opponent
by comparison to the rest of the SEC, right, and
I would make the argument that South Carolina at this
point in Southeastern Conference play is probably the third or

(47:16):
maybe second best team just from a talent standpoint. I
think that they've faced I mean, and certainly we could
have our arguments about if there are other teams on
there that are better or not than them, and there
would be people out there that would do so, but
I would say that this is really their second or
third toughest task I think, but they do get the

(47:37):
game Cocks at home. Would you agree that South Carolina
is at least one of the top three teams that
they faced so far this season in conference play. I'm
trying to all right, I'll give you the rundown. They've
played Auburn, Mississippi State, Florida, Arkansas, LSU, and Missouri.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
Okay, Yeah, I would probably say shop to bottom, I
would say of Carolina is probably the top three toughest tasks.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, I mean I think behind behind Missouri and LSU.

Speaker 8 (48:06):
Right, yeah, I would say so, And then you get
texts at the end of the year, which will be
there their toughest game by far. Yes, yeah, I would probably.
I would probably say, you know, I think it's gonna
be a tough task. More so for the fact of
there's the obvious making the change the play calling with
the offense and Mike Urry taking over to call.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
Plays the rest of the season.

Speaker 8 (48:26):
I think there's a little bit unknown with how that looks.
And we've heard cham in were talking about yesterday because
I'm sure you have questions about it that uh, they
made some tweaks to what they're the playbook and kind
of what they're gonna call, and we will see what
kind of difference that makes. On Saturday, but I think
that makes it a little bit more challenging. We hear
I'll go talk about too, there is some challenge in

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preparing when there is a change to the play calling.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, look, I don't think there's any question about that.
And I think the other thing too, in terms of
South Carolina is are there things specifically that you felt
like maybe under Mike Schula that they weren't able to
take advantage of with the Norse Sellers, that they may
be able to take advantage of in this game and
throughout the remaining games of the season.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
Good question.

Speaker 8 (49:13):
I think there is something there to be unlocked with Leonoris.
I think he really, for the most part, is not
played like the quarterback that we thought.

Speaker 7 (49:26):
He was going to be coming into this season.

Speaker 8 (49:28):
And so I can't specifically pinpoint like what's going to
be different other than the fact of just the offense
as a whole. I think he means to see in Pervan,
not just Lenoris. I think you look top the bot
run game needs to be better, blocking up front needs

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to be better.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
But if you're Mike.

Speaker 8 (49:51):
Curry, you need to try to get more out of Lenoris,
like if that means getting him back to the quarterback
that he was last year. Kind of letting him go
loose and do his thing by all means, but I
think I think that's going to probably be part of
it has to be part of the plan, because they're
calling the best players at work and going with those
and kind of sticking with what they know can work

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in this game. I think the ball's got to be
in Leonora's hands quite a bit, and you just hope
everything around him.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Can kind of come together.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Jack Veltrie with us on Twitter at Jack T. Veltrie
hanging out and again South Carolina making a change on
the offensive court at the offensive coordinator position, bringing in
Mike Furry to to call this place. Now, have you guys,
have they acknowledged he's gonna be on the sidelines? Is
he going to be in the booth? I'm a booth
play calling kind of guy on offense, and I'm good
with my defensive coordinator being on the sideline. Kind of

(50:40):
weird that way. But have they said where he's gonna
be and where or where do you expect him to be?
Any idea?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (50:47):
They it's to be determined. H Beemer was asked about
yesterday and he said, just to be determined on that.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
Where do I think it.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Would work best?

Speaker 8 (50:58):
I'm with you, I do give me best if he
wore coaching from the booth. I think we just think
you see better results on that. I today, I just
think you look at this year and it just did
not work to share with Mike Schulethalm plays from the sideline,
and I don't think ask about reason things went wrong,
but I think you just get a better sight line

(51:18):
of the entire offense as a whole when you're looking
at it from coaching.

Speaker 7 (51:22):
In the booth.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Again, South Carolina on the road at number three Texas
A and M. That is a noon kickoff on ESPN Saturday,
as South Carolina comes in off of a bye week,
and I would venture the guests, given the fact that
you know A and M is kind of where they are,
this bye week couldn't have come in a better time
for South Carolina. Nobody at this point the season. Jack
is one hundred percent. But where the game Cocks able

(51:44):
to get healed up in preparation for this for this game?
According to Shane Beamer.

Speaker 8 (51:48):
We'll find out more tonight on the SEC injury report
around eight o'clock. I will say if Shane does not
typically get into two too much detail about the injuries,
just because he like now once the SEC play, he
refers to the injury report for any questions like that.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
He did say though, that a few of the guys
that have been.

Speaker 8 (52:14):
Out long term, probably they won't be returning this season,
meaning like Jalen Brown defensive end for South Carolina, another
defensive end George Wilson is transferred into fars State. Both
those guys have been out the entire year and that
will continue to be the case of the rest of
the season. He did mention though, that offensive lineman Ryan Brubaker,

(52:36):
who looked at me out for the year with a long,
long term injury, was able to get back out and
practice this week, So I mean it's on the offensive line.
It's not like he was a starter, but just something
to keep an eye on there. And yeah, that's really
the extent of the injuries that he mentioned. But again,
we'll have a better idea of what everything's looking like

(53:00):
coming into this game on Saturday starting tonight with the
injury report. I don't really think he mentioned anything too
jurassic of injuries. After the Old misgame, they seem to
be in pretty good shape from that standpoint, but we'll find.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
Out more tonight.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Jack Veltri from game Cock Central with us hanging out
talking college football, and so let me go back and
circle back to an article that you actually wrote over
on game Concentral about how the players reacted to the
change and offensive coordinator. I haven't had a chance to
dive into that, but can you give us the insight
into what's the vibe around the players? I mean, I

(53:33):
assume it's like most changes, there's always some level of excitement,
even if a coach had only been there ten games,
like Mike Schula. But was that kind of the vibe
you got from players as you guys, you know, get
ready for this game on the road at A and.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
M totally so.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
The way in which it was explained to us was
that South Carolina got back from Oxford obviously Saturday night
going into Sunday morning, and then Shane Beemer made the
move to move on from Shula, and he didn't call
a team meeting on that Sunday the day after the game.

(54:12):
He instaid had one on Monday as his normal, but
he did get in touch with Lenora Sellers, who was
at the facility that day talked with him one on
one about moving on from Shula, and then he got
in touch with the rest of the quarterbacks in that
room since that since Shula was the positional coach for
the quarterbacks in addition to calling plays.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
For the offense. And then Monday, the guys, well, the guys.

Speaker 8 (54:36):
Had already found out by then because he was already
on social media, but Beemer kind of explained to them
why the change was made and how he felt it
was time to make one, this was the right time
to make a change. And the response from them they
were a little disappointed Shula was fired, but they understood
it and they trust that the coaches are making the

(54:57):
right decision here and now that Mike Ferry's gonna calling offensively,
the key buzz were I kind of heard yesterday talking
to players and Shane was that hopefully will provide a
spark for them in these final three games to get
it going offensively. But I think there's a lot of
excitement and optimism that Furry can do some good things
with this offense that Sho will definitely couldn't right, But no,

(55:21):
I think a lot of these guys are disappointed in
the fact that you know, they're they're they're their coordinator
got fired, And I think a lot of that does
go back to, you know, like Shane Beamers says, everyone
has a hand in that players, coaches, everybody, and I
think that's kind of where the disappointment comes from.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Well, and that would be kind of my next question,
right because I don't know that there would be many
South Carolina faithful who would say we should not have
made a change kind of based off of what they saw.
But it's a very small sample size, just ten games.
And you know, I would I would venture to guess

(55:57):
that there are people out there on your message boards
on gamecoccentral dot com saying how did we misevaluate Mike Schula?
You know what I'm saying? Like, has that also been
part of the conversation amongst the game cut faithful.

Speaker 8 (56:13):
Absolutely, I think you do think about it a little
bit in that, you know, it was the right move
to make at the time when when Shane Beemer promoted
Mike Shula to offensive coordinator after dialogue and was left
for Appalachian State, I think everyone agreed at the time

(56:34):
that it just made the most sentence because Schule had
been in the system for a year he had worked
closely with Lenora Sellers, and Sellers was having a lot
of success with him as the quarterbacks coach. And you
look at his track record, he's been along. He's been
a head coach before in the SEC, player in the
SEC as well, so like he gets it and he's
also done the work. But he's been an offensive coordinator

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in the NFL with the Carolina Panthers, helped him go
to the Super Bowl, and you know, he let me
helped Cam Newton get an MVP. And he also coached
Josh Allen with the Buffalo Bills for a little bit.
So the point is all the signs points this making sense,
but it's just one of those things where it just
did not translate and it did not work out, and

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sometimes sometimes it's gonna happen, and so I think there's
a little bit of like, how did this not work out?
But I think we kind of saw the signs right
in the first game that he coached in the Citrus
bull where, at least from my standpoint just watching the
offense that I had seen under Dala Logans in that
final month of the season last year compared to a

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month later in the Citrus Bolt. They just looked like
this offense kind of had there was there was a difference.
I'll say that in terms of, yes, they've put up
seventeen points and they had almost four hundred yards of offense,
but the way in which they operated. Lenora Sellers didn't
play like the quarterback he had played leg against Clemson

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at all. It's just the flow the offense felt a
little different.

Speaker 7 (58:03):
And then it kind of, you know, never got much
better from there.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Jack t. Veltree's up where you can follow him over
on Twitter and he joins us typically on Tuesdays, but
we got him on a Wednesday to day for just
a final few questions here. So it's not just Lenor
Sellers that has had a rough season in terms of
quarterback play. Kay Klubnick in the Upstate for Clemson. Both
of those guys. ESPN at the beginning of the year

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had them at or near the top. Lenor Sellers has
fallen all the way down to forty ninth in the
Power for in their re rank, and kay Klubnick's in
the mid thirties. I think at like thirty now twenty eight,
excuse me, the high twenties. Just kind of thinking about
those two guys and where they currently sit. I mean,

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on a scale of one to completely shocked, where are
you that we're sitting here today with both of those
guys having the I don't want to call him bad seasons,
that's not fair, but disappointing seasons. How shocked are you?

Speaker 8 (59:05):
I'm I'll start with Leonoris. I'm a little bit disappointed
in or not disappointed, but I'm just a little bit
more surprised that it hasn't gone the way I think
a lot of people anticipate, you know, the expectations overall.
I think the team were way too high going into
the season, but it has been a little surprising to
see how much of a step back Leonoris has taken.

(59:25):
So on a skill one to one to ten, yeah,
I would say my surprise levels probably like like a
seven and a half now, Kate Klubnick, I think it's
also the same where I think the expectations were way
way too high per clumps, I think a lot of
people bought into that team, considering mostly the same team
as last year minus the running back situation. And you know,

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I think k came into the season is a pretty
good quarterback, but the hype of him being like a
half NFL draft pick Heisman dark course.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
I didn't think that was necessarily going to be the case. No,
he's a good quarterback, but not much more beyond that.
And that's exactly what we've seen the season, except there's
been massive aggression. So I don't think I'm that surprised.
I would say my level of surprise is probably about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Four and final thing with Jack Veltri again from Gamecockcentral
dot com. We'll stay with Lenor Sellers for a minute,
when you are in the situation he is and as
good as he is projected or was projected. Certainly, the
conversations at the beginning of the season were about where
would he be drafted? Now, the more I see his
people talking about, is somebody gonna try to poach him

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through the portal? I mean, is that a concern that
South Carolina fans have right now about Lenora Sellers.

Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
I don't know if I'd be that concerned about him
leaving in the transfer portal. I think he's a loyal guy.
I think he likes to here at South Carolina and
his family's here. He's got everything he needs. I don't
think it's even a money issue. I think that he's
got everything he needs here at South Carolina. And my

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thought process is, why would you leave that kind of
opportunity right now?

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
It's one thing.

Speaker 8 (01:01:07):
You go to the NFL and you have an opportunity
to go do some good things there by all means
do what you feel like is best for your career.
But I will just say this, I don't think we're
necessarily looking at a guy that, yes, he might still
be drafted in the first round, but from my standpoint
and just everything I've watched this year, again no insiding

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go on this, I just don't think he's necessarily ready
for the NFL. I think that is that's something where
if you were to go to the league, you got
to give him time to just learn and kind of develop,
because I think he's regressed as a passer in a
lot of ways. I even think he's kind of regressed
a little bit as that rushing threat that we knew

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him to be last season. So and I think a
lot of that has to do with the play going.
So let's see what coordinator South Carolina gets in here,
Let's see what kind of influence that has on Lenora's decisions.
He has to make a decision right away because number one,
the portal doesn't open up until January, and then number two,
he doesn't need to make an NFL TRAU decision until
mid January, so he's got some time to weigh.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Out his options.

Speaker 8 (01:02:10):
But this is definitely gonna be something that I think
a lot of people will keep a close eye on,
but ultimately I think I'm gonna see him coming back
next year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
That's Jack Veltrie Gamecockcentral dot Com. Stay with us Clemson
sports Talk Lowdon Swan on a Wednesday afternoon. We heard
a little bit from Brad brown Hill earlier. We'll jump
back into that in just a few minutes, but you know,
talking about this Clemson South Carolina game and the potential
of what could happen like for South Carolina if they

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lose this weekend and they are nineteen and a half
point underdogs, I think most people are going to assume,
and rightfully so, that South Carolina is going to lose,
and the game Cocks would then fall to three and
seven on the season with two games remaining, meaning bowl

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game contention ends for a team that was projected for
the College Football Playoff, and look at this point, you
can't you can't fire Shane Beemer. You'd be foolish your job.
Do you know where your job would rank on the
list of open jobs right now? So they got to
stick with Shane Beemer for at least another year. But

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at one in seven and three and seven, like one
in seven in the league and three and seven in
the league, there's a legit chance South Carolina could finish
last in the conference last.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I don't know if Arkansas scratch a win anywhere or not,
but last in the league is a possibility. And so
they be coming into this matchup against Clemson. They would
be entering that game with really not a whole lot

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to play for. And it might beg the question what
players would and wouldn't play and I and I mean
that sincerely, Like you might argue that those same players

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would sit out the following week perhaps against Coastal Carolina.
If you don't win this weekend against Texas A and M,
and you're a South Carolina player, what is there to
play for? And you might say, what do you mean,
swannee everything? Think about how many guys set out Bowl games.
Think about that, how many players nationally set out bowl games. Well,

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what if your season's cooked, What if your season's over,
you can't go to a bowl game? You go, well, well,
there's other teams out there in the same boat, right,
I mean not many, not many in the Southeastern Conference
right now? At least Missouri's bowl eligible, Tennessee's bowl eligible, Oklahoma, Andy, Texas,

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Old Miss, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, A and M all bowl eligible.
LSU is a game short of being bowl eligible, Mississippi
State's a game short of being bowl eligible. Kentucky and
Auburn are just two games shy of being bowl eligible.

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I mean, those teams still have some opportunity to be
bowl eligible. But a loss this weekend for South Carolina
would put them at best getting to five and seven.
I loss this weekend for Florida to Old Miss would
put them at best at getting to five and seven.

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That's not bowl eligible. And once you cross over that
threshold of where getting to a bowl game is off
the table, what's the point? I mean, a lot of
these kids remember when you got to a bowl game
and you didn't have the chance to go to the

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college football Playoff. It wasn't worth it to be there.
Why am I going to run out there and potentially
get hurt, especially if you bring in a bunch of
transferred players because they don't have a lot of loyalty,

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and that just pushes it further. Let's see how many
portal players South Carolina brought in this past season in
football incoming portal players to Columbia. Let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.

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I got eighteen portal guys. And look, there may be more,
but that's the rough number that I've got here. Those
eighteen guys aren't overly invested, by the way looking at it.
One thing I did notice former Clemson commit reed Mkeska,
who we interviewed back in the day when he committed
to Clemson, who decommitted from the Tigers, and I think

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spent a year at Texas A and M, committed to
South Carolina and was there a year ago and then
transferred out, or maybe he flipped his commitment from A
and M to Carolina before transferring out. He's now at

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Florida Atlantic. I did not realize that and looking him
up just one reception this year. I remember when he
committed to Clemson. I remember thinking, man, this guy could
be a pretty good tight end. But well, he hadn't
done anything. Might have been a might have been a
good miss, might have been a good miss for the Tigers.
There a zero three four or five zero zero eighty six.
So earlier I talked about the re ranking of the

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Power four quarterbacks. We'll take a bigger look at that
article from Bill Conley of ESPN when we get back,
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(01:10:00):
back with you on a Wednesday afternoon again. The Clemson
Tiger men's basketball team last night getting the best of
Moorhead State in a matchup at Little John Coliseum, Clemson
cruising the third consecutive twenty five plus point victory. We

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got that stat from, of course, Clemson basketball sid Ben
winter Rod eighty three fifty six the final score. Taking
a look at the box score before we get to
Brad Brownell, the Tigers had a very balanced attack. Jake
Walla with fourteen points in the contest on five of seven,

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shooting four of six from beyond the art RJ. Godfrey.
We mentioned he had the double double, thirteen points, eleven rebounds.
He was five of eight from the floor. Then you
also had Ace Buckner with twelve in the game. As
we mentioned off of the bench, Buckner was zero for
four from beyond the art, but four of eight from
the field and four or five from the free throw line.

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The Tigers got nine points from Justin Porter in fourteen minutes,
nearly fifteen minutes of action. Then they had six points
from four players. You talk about balance. Six other guys
scored four points and then Dylan Hunter just with five.
And Dylan was a guy you thought might have to
be a little sparky plug for you. But as I've said,

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I like, at least at this point and you'll find
out more, is the games get tougher and the competition
gets tougher. I like the idea. I like the idea
that these guys are playing a multitude of lineups and
playing well. Here's Brad Brownell talking about building a collective

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toughness amongst this group.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
Yeah, we have to become a little bit more physically
tough team. Obviously we have a lot of young guys
that it's a big step up. And we have some
guys that even have played at lower levels mid major basketball,
and the level is going to be different when with
the physicality, you know, and so no question that that's
that's part of just handling that those kinds of things,

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uh consistently will be another step And we talked about
that after the game today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Brad Brother that was also asked about if there were
any specific themes that he's seen from this group. Defensively, No, I.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
Mean tonight it was a lot offensive rebounding, you know,
some shot contest stuff that you know, we just we've
we've got to get better. And then there's some stuff
that our guys are just you know, you're it's hard
to prepare for everything, especially right now. Like there's some
action that you know, we try to walk through and practice,

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but we don't you know, we're not football. We don't
get a week. We get about two days, and so
you try to you know, it's new for a lot
of guys, and and uh so there's some screens that
we're getting hit on that then make us behind the
next screen. If there's screen screen or just different action
that you've got to deal with that I think we
were getting better, but we're certainly not all the way there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I mentioned Jake Wallen leading a team at scoring with
fourteen points, but he was four or six from beyond
the arc. Here's Brad Brownell talking about his three points
shooting in last night's contest.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
He has a good luck.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
Yeah, yeah, I mean most of our guys do. I
think we've got a lot of guys that can make shots.
And you know, I don't think we've shot the ball
great yet. I think we shoot the ball better than
our numbers, but you know, that's what it is. And
I mean we had a bunch of open shots again
early in the game, you know, pretty much wide open,
and we didn't make as many as we need to.

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But I think that'll that'll come and certainly encouraging guys.
It was great to see Jake. I thought he played
with great confidence tonight. I thought he played well on
the defensive end. I did a nice job on number
three Marshall, he had him for most of the night.
So very pleased with his play today.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Brownell was also asked about getting Carter Welling involved in
the game. He had just six points in the contest
in fourteen mints of action. No rebounds. But to assist,
here's what Brownell had to say about that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Yeah, it's something we talked about. I didn't think in
the first half we did some things. I thought our
big guys for our spacing was bad in some of
our zone stuff, and you know, they packed it in
a little bit and made it harder initially and we
missed some open shots. Second half, we did a better

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job of spacing and I thought found him in the
middle more. Which, yeah, it was certainly an adjustment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I've talked about the different lineups. Here's Brad brother. They
will kind of give you some insight into the substitution patterns.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
Well, they practice that way a lot, so like you know,
they probably practice that way more than they practice you know,
two guys here and three guys there and then this
guy in for that guy. And I mean we do
that in practice as well, but when we play against
each other most of the time, it's the starters against
the second unit, and so those guys are very competitive

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with one another, and so in my mind, it would
make a little bit of sense to like practice, you know,
play with the guys that you practice the most with. So,
you know, unless that proves by the numbers to not
be working as well. We're gonna We're gonna do that.
Some doesn't mean we'll do it every game. Foul trouble
and just if some of the starters aren't playing well,
then one of them might get taken out early. But

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there'll also be times when it'll be five in, five out,
and maybe five back in or two or three the
next time, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Final a couple of things. Brad Brownell was also asking
about RJ God Three's ability to rebound. Again, he had
that double double with eleven board.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Seven of those were offensive rebounds, which is, you know,
again more possessions for your team.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
Ye, yeah, he just RJ's at the point in his
career he needs to be a complete player. He's got
to do it all. I mean, he's got to score,
he's got a rebound, he's got to defend, he's got
to be a leader. I mean that all sounds good.
So that's the responsibility, you know, Like everybody wants all
those responsibilities, especially when they're young. And but then when

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you're when you got to go out and get you know,
twelve points and six seven, eight rebounds every night, Like
that's the expectation. But he's off to a great start.
I mean his numbers have always are good again five
for eight, eleven rebounds, you know, obviously three assists, no turnovers,
thirteen points, drew seven files in the game. Like RJ

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has been very good.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
He plays the game with great enthusiasm and energy, and
I think our system is really good for him, and
he's comfortable, and I don't think it's a surprise that
he's playing well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
There you go, Brad brown Nell again following Clemson's victory
last night, and they are back on the hardwood Saturday
at Georgetown at Capitol One Arena up in Washington, DC.
That'll be a noon tip off on Peacock. They return
home for a Monday of a Monday night game, a

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little late night nine pm game against North Alabama. All right, quick,
breat we'll put a ball on the show right after this.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately? And what have
you done? Always are the same. We win.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Sometimes final segment on a Wednesday. Man, hard to believe
in the clemses playing on Friday. Holy cow, that game
feels like it's right around the band. I mean tomorrow
we got Tim Ray and yeah, yaha, and then boom boom,

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back at it on the gridiron in a game that
you know, we talked about how Clemson and South Carolina
could look. Well, of course, if Clemson wins this game,
you would be able to put to bed the opportunity
for South Carolina to keep you from being by eligible.

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Think about that as a luxury. And so maybe it'll happen.
You know, maybe Clemson will go up there and surprise
everybody and beat this Louisville team that came into Clemson
a year ago and quite frankly punked the Tigers. Louisville
is favored, wait for it, by three and a half.
I think this is the first time Clemson has not

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been favored in a game this season, and in all
of the games that Clemson has played since I've been
on the air in Columbia, this is one of the
few times that Clemson has not been a favorite. Like
I've been on the air for twelve years going on thirteen,
and rarely his Clemson been an underdog. They are a

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three and a half point underdog. Fifty one and a
half is the over under in terms of total points
between the two teams. ESP's matchup predictor likes Louisville fifty
four point nine percent to forty five point one percent,

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and it's going to be a seven thirty kickoff. Fortunately,
I would say for Clemson and Louisville, the temperatures aren't
going to be too bad. I think about sixty degrees
at kickoff for this game. You know, Isaac Brown's situation
at running back is something that we brought up earlier

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in the week, and you know, he's a kid ninety
one carries five touchdowns seven hundred and eighty two yards
so far this season. But whether or not he's healthy
enough to play this weekend will be a huge, huge deal.

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The ACC's release I don't know about for a Friday
night game that might come out tonight. I had not
thought about that fact, but because the game is Friday,
we might get our first rendition tonight. Since it's three

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games away. Let me look real quick and see ACC
availability reports. I'm gonna check and see if they've got
a note up because Honestly, I'm not sure. I mean,
it could be that they just put one out Thursday
and then put one out Friday. But in the event

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that your game is on Thursday day, so report expected Wednesday, Yes,
So tonight, Yeah, tonight at eight o'clock, we'll get an
update that will let us know a lot about the
situation with Isaac Brown. Again, he did not play in

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Louisville's last game. Now, I did see an article where
Jeff Brohm talked about Isaac Brown and stan Kwan Clark,
and this article said that it seems that Isaac Brown
is not likely to play, but stan Kwan Clark might.

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During his Monday teleconference, he said that Isaac Brown would
be out a while as he suffered a leg injury
against Virginia Tech, and saying that he was not optimistic
about Brown playing this Friday. But in a couple of hours. Again,

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at eight o'clock tonight, we will get an official update
on that from the Atlantic Coast conference. And doesn't mean
he'll be in, doesn't mean he'll be out, doesn't mean anything,
just means we're gonna have a little update. It would
be a big deal though for Clemson for sure. If
he's out because he is an electric playmaker and a

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guy that makes a difference for his ball club. And
Clemson fans saw that up close and personal a year
ago in Death Valley when Louisville came in and really
took it to the Tigers. I mean, that was a
disappointing defeat. There is no question that game, As I said,

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I think it was Monday. That game was where it
felt like like if Clemson was this this team that
wore a suit of armor in Death Valley, even though
they had had some losses here and there along the way,
not many obviously, you know, the last second field goal

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lost to pitt South Carolina coming in and surprising you
a couple of years ago, you had some losses, right,
That's where it felt like your armor got ripped off
and the armor has really not been back on. But
maybe you can go up to Louisville and atone for
this loss a year ago, answer the bell, beat them

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in their environment, and somehow secure some confidence moving forward
for next season and maybe even for the final couple
of games this year as well. All Right, we'll talk
about that more tomorrow. Until then, as always, you'll take
care now and go Tigers