The "FSU Update" Edition

We talk Florida State football with Warchat TV's Jeff Cameron.

Episode Transcript

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over the next couple of days we'll be talking about
some over under win totals in the world of college football,

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what the odds say, what I think about it. And
we'll even look at some of the schedules out there
for a handful of teams as we venture closer to
the kickoff of the college football campaign. And that's where
we will begin today. The NBA Draft coming up tonight,
Cooper Flag expected to be the number one pick of

(02:34):
the Dallas Mavericks and the conversations dajoure on that front
as well, but they bring up conference win totals because
of the conversation we had yesterday about Florida State and
Mike norvell and it got me thinking about the Seminoles

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and their schedule and the potential record with Thomas Castellanos
at quarterback you would assume at quarterback, and my thoughts
on sort of where Mike Norvelle is in a sense
of being comfortable as the head coach at Florida State

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and don't get don't don't get me wrong, like going
undefeated in the regular season and being in contention for
the College Football Playoff like they were a couple of
years ago before Jordan Travis got hurt. I mean, that's
a big deal. That's a that's not a small potato
item that's a big deal. But then the big backstep

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a year ago, which you know, I think most of
you when you see DJ wille unglile A going to
Florida State after having watched him play quarterback at Clemson,
after having seen him be basically a very similar player
at Oregon State, I don't think many of you were

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expecting a whole lot out of DJ in Tallahassee. And
even if DJ doesn't get injured last season, it's probably
not a great year. Maybe it's slightly better than it was.
But the over under totals for Florida State and the
projected wins this year is kind of where I'm at

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with this because the over under right now is placed
at seven and a half wins. Now, a lot of
people do not gamble.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I guess that's your theory.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well I don't, but there are also a lot of
people that do not. But if you place that number
at seven and a half and you ask the question
do you take the over or the under? That would
mean do you think Florida State wins eight games or
more in twenty twenty five or do you think they

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win seven games or less? And we're gonna talk with
Jeff Cameron coming up in our number two. He's the
host of The Jeff Cameron Show, which covers the Florida
State seminoles to find out a little bit more about
somebody you know that's right there in the heart of
Tallahassee and the thoughts on it. So stick around for

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Jeff Cameron and his thoughts on Florida State this season.
But the first thing that you have to do is
you have to focus on the schedule, and we all
know that that schedule begins when a match up against
the Alabama Crimson Todd and of course Thomas Castellanos and
his comments about Nick Saban not being they're probably not

(05:54):
helping at all with that game. As I mentioned yesterday,
Alabama a pretty heavy favorite in that matchup that'll be
played down at dok Campbell Stadium on August thirtieth, a
three point thirty kickoff on ABC. So I would, with

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a hunch say that Florida State loses that game against
the Crimson Todd, I think they'll beat East Texas A
and M I think they'll beat Kent State. They go
to Charlottesville in late September to take on Tony Elliott
and the Virginia Cavaliers, and I would assume that they

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would beat the Cavaliers that would make Florida State at
that point three to one. Then they host Miami in
what might be the biggest toss up on the calendar
for Florida State because with Carson Beck taking over at

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quarterback at Miami and losing a like cam Ward. Remember,
this is a Miami team that, when the Chips were
down to get to the ACC Championship game once again
folded like a cheap umbrella, which they have done for
twenty plus years in the Atlantic Coast Conference. So this
game feels like one where probably if you went item

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by item through the roster, Miami's a better team, but
it's not by much, and that game, being played at
dope Campbell Stadium, possibly is enough for Florida State to
pull out a win. This game would be much easier
to judge, I think four games into the season, after

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you've kind of seen what both teams look like in
the twenty twenty five calendar year. That's the other side
of the coin, right, Like, if you've seen them play
a little while, you might have a better idea of
what you think about them at this point. From the outside,
I would guess Miami just slips out of there with

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a victory, leaving Florida State at three and two. They
host Pitt. I think they will beat the Pitt Panthers.
That would make them four and two. They travel to
Stanford to face the Cardinal I would think they would
win that one. That's five and two. They host Wake Forest.
They are now six and two. Then they go to

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Clemson November the eighth. I just don't think given the
the arc of Clemson this year, and again we'll know
a lot more about these teams at this point, but
I would assume at that point the Tigers win, dropping
the Seminoles to six and three, with three games remaining,

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one at home that would be Virginia Tech the following week,
and then two on the road at NC State in
at Florida and at six and three, the big question
on a seven and a half over under is will
they win two of those final three games. I think

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they will beat Virginia Tech, and I'm going to assume
here in this scenario that they are going to win
at Raleigh. That might be another one of those coin
toss road games. Eight PM on a Friday night, you
never know what's gonna happen there. But then I think
they're going to probably lose to Florida, which would put

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Florida State at eight and four, Meaning my guess on
a seven and a half over under, I would take
the over. And I think it's just slight though, because
again I think NC State is kind of a coin toss.
I think conversely, Miami is a coin toss, so one
of those could go the other way. You just never

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really know. But my guess would be I'll take the
over and I'll put the Seminoles at eight and four
for this calendar year. But is that enough to pacify
the Seminole faithful? And what does eight and four earn
you in in you know, deposits in the proverbial bank

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of your fan base. If Clemson's in the College Football Playoff,
if Miami's in the College Football Playoff, Like, how does
that resonate when teams around you seem to be rising
and yet you are not. Now another team with an
interesting over under that I want to look at today

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out of the Atlantic Coast Conference is SMU. Remember a
year ago, SMU still doesn't have a regular season loss
in the Atlantic Coast conference. They went undefeated in the ACC,
and right now, the projections by most people for SMU

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heading into the twenty twenty five season is an a
eight zero point five over under. So do you think
they're gonna win nine games? Or do you think that
the Mustangs in their second year in the ACC are
gonna be very successful in conference play and also out
of conference carry themselves to nine plus wins? Because that's

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the big question. Here's SMU's schedule and here's how I
see it playing out. So they open, ironically much like
the Florida State Seminoles, who also play this same school.
The second week of the season, SMU will face East

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Texas A and M. We're not gonna do the over
under on East Texas A and M. Okay, East Texas
A and M. But we're going to tell you we're
marketing too down in the books in the lost column
for the I think they're the Lions. Maybe let me
let me double check that this is a little lesson
learned here. East Texas Lions. Indeed they are, But I

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think obviously SMU will open with a win in that
game versus East Texas A and M. Then they host Baylor.
I gotta assume, just kind of based off of the
roster and the fact that they return Kevin Jennings, who
is a very impressive quarterback with his ability to scramble

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and make plays. Clemson fans, you saw it up close
in personal in that ACC championship game. Yeah, he's a
smaller kid, but this is still early in the season,
so you believe he's probably still healthy. So I'll take
SMU to beat Baylor in that game. Then they're at
Missouri State, weird place to travel. Chalk that up as
a win for SMU. Then they are also at TCU,

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probably a bit of a toss up being on the road,
I think, even still though the better of these two
teams is SMU, which I would put them at four
to zero in that situation. They then host Syracuse. That'll
be a battle, probably a coin flip. Just I'll hedge
my bets a little bit here and assume that one

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of those games before Baylor or TCU might go the
opposite way. So I'll say that Syracuse goes to Texas
or goes to Dallas and sneaks out with a win.
That gives me a little leeway on my number four
and one. I think they'll beat Stamford at home, make
them five and one. SMU comes to Clemson. I think

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they'll lose that game. That would make them five and two.
They go two Wake Forest. I would think they would
win that six and two. Then they host Miami. I
still think the Hurricanes are the better of these two teams.
I would say six and three. At that point, they
go to Boston College, I would say seven and three.

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They host Louisville, another coin toss game.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Again.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I got them at seven and three right now. Their
final games against Cal. I think they'll beat Cal. That
would push them to eight, which makes the Louisville game
the swing game. It's at home gerald Ford Stadium, Dallas,
Texas Senior Day for SMU versus Louisville. I think it's

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as much of a toss up as any game. If
you take SMU winning that game, they've got nine wins.
If you take them losing that game, they're at eight
and the over unders eight and a half, I'll say
they squeak by. I'll actually take the over here with

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SMU and I'll guess nine to three for the Mustangs.
And the final one I want to look at here
today the Michigan Wolverines. Now, look, Michigan has beatn Ohio
State what four consecutive years. Michigan's over under this season

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is eight and a half Now in the Big Ten,
Ohio State's got an over under of ten and a half.
Pen State's gotta over under of ten and a half.
Oregon has an over under of ten and a half.
But would I take the over of the under on
the Michigan Wolverines football team this season? Because if you

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think about it, with Bryce Underwood possibly being the starting
quarterback and again he was the number one prospected in
the country, I mean, there's a lot of buzz around him.
There's also a lot of pressure on him. But with
Michigan having an eight and a half over under, are
there nine wins on their schedule? Week one? They opened

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August thirtieth against New Mexico. That's a seven thirty game
on NBC. Shot that one up as a dub for
the Wolverines. They go to Oklahoma to face the Oklahoma
Sooners and Brentvin. The Bulls may have secured one of
the best transfers in college football with John Mattier transferring

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in from Washington State. That I think is probably something
that most people are overlooking with Oklahoma this year, is
how good their offense might be with John Matti at quarterback.
I think this is one of those fifty to fifty
games in this moment, on the road at Oklahoma a

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freshman quarterback, I'll take the Sooners, and again, you gotta
head your bets a little bit here when you go
through these rosters or these schedules. I'll take Oklahoma to
slipt by Michigan. In that game versus Central Michigan, I
think they get their second win. I don't know when
I'll buy into Nebraska again. I think Michigan beats Nebraska
in Lincoln on September the twentieth. On October the fourth day,

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host Wisconsin. I think that'll be a tough game, but
I think being at home, I'll favor the Wolverines. There.
They travel to Los Angeles to take on Southern Cal.
I don't know if these road games are gonna farewell
for a young quarterback, even though that's not the most
difficult environment anybody's ever played in, unless, of course, Southern

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Cal at that point is kind of rolling. They haven't
looked at their schedule, but if they're like they're like
five and oh or six and oh or something, then
maybe that place will be packed out, but I doubt it.
But I'll still say that on this front, Southern Cal
probably picks up the win in that game. Then Michigan
faces Washington and an Arbor. I think the Wolverines will

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likely win that game. Then they go to East Lancing
to take on Michigan State. I think that pushes them
to six and two. Then they've got four games remaining
per due at home. I think they'll win that one
to take them to seven and two on the season.
I think they'll beat Northwestern that's eight and two. I

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think they'll beat Maryland at Maryland that would make them
nine and two, and then I think Michigan loses to
Ohio State November the twenty third at home, and that
would leave the Wolverines at nine and three, meaning once
again I would check the box of these three teams today.
For the over Florida State, my guess is they're going

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to be an eight and four ball club SMU. My
guess is there going to be a nine and three team,
And I think Michigan is also going to be a
nine and three. You know, games I might flip flop
for the Wolverines, it could push them even further. Certainly
that Southern colgame, I might, depending again, how these teams
look at that point, maybe I feel differently, And then

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possibly even the Washington game, which would mean those two
would just be completely flip flopped and Michigan would still
be nine and three one way or the other. But yeah,
I feel pretty good about the overs on those. I'm
not giving any betting advice here, I'm just telling you
what I think looking at it. But for those three teams,

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and again for Florida State, is eight and four good enough?
I think that's the other thing. And for Michigan with
Sharon Moore ninety three, how satisfied are you with that?
And for any of those teams, isn't good enough to
get into the College Football Playoff? My guess is no,

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That would be my guess on those three teams based
off of the resume. But I guess we'll find out,
all right, We'll hit a quick break. We'll see if
I'm right too when we come back. EA Sports College
Football twenty six But out the top twenty five toughest
places to play on their video game, where do the
Tigers rank and how about the game Cocks. We'll tell
you when we get back London. Swan back at it

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with you on a Wednesday afternoon. Coming up, Jeff Cameron,
host of The Jeff Cameron Show, will join us. We'll
talk about the Florida State Seminoles and the Atlantic Coast
Conference with Jeff. Last week we got a little perspective
out of a research triangle in the state of North Carolina.
This week we will shift to the Sunshine State down

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in Tallahassee and find out what's going on on that front.
Now EA Sports College Football twenty six the video game
is back for a second consecutive year after a decade hiatus,
really letting down the clips of Tiger Faithful like all
those years with Deshaun and Trevor and travesy Dn, like

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all those great players digitally lost in the archives. But anyway,
EA Sports did put out their list of the toughest
places to play in the game. And as they say,
if it's in the game, it's in the game, And

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so where does Clemson rank in the video game? And
it's they try to be pretty accurate on this front.
So you know, in the olden days, we would grab
the you know, the Phil Steel magazine and look at
the toughest places to play or whatever. People will put
together a comprehensive list, but here's what EA Sports, at

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least how they have it set up. And I do
wonder if it's dynamic, Like is it fluid If your
team goes undefeated for a season and you go into
the next year on the video game, does that improve?
If you have a bad year? Do you drop? But
to start off the hoof, as they say, we take

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a look at it the top twenty five toughest places
to play in the world of college football, And of
course we are going to recognize South Carolina on this list,
so you.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Could continue to peek over the fence at the best
radio showing the.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Naked for all our game cock fans hanging out with us.
All right, So number twenty five Mississippi State Davis Wade Stadium,
it's the twenty fifth toughest toughest place to play in
the ballgame. At number twenty four, Michigan State's Spartan Stadium
checks in. Then you've got Oklahoma State and Boone Pickens Stadium, which,

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by the way, if you've never looked that stadium, does
have some issues with the sidelines being so close to
the field. Go check that out. That's one. It's almost
a it's almost a safety hazard. At number twenty two,
the Wolfpack of NC State Carter Finley Stadium check it
in on EA Sports Top twenty six list. At number

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twenty one, Notre Dame Stadium the Fighting Irish. I imagine
Fighting Irish fans across the country are a little perturbed
at being that far down the list. The Utah Utes
check in at number twenty Rice Ecles Stadium. At number nineteen,
it's Iowa Kennick Stadium. The Washington Huskies check in at

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number eighteen as Husky Stadium comes in on the list,
and then down to the planes we go the Auburn
Tigers Jerdenhare Stadium checking in at number seventeen. We bounce
back to the Midlands for number sixteen, as the South
Carolina game Cock Said Williams Bryce Stadium are on that list,

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and then number fifteen Camp Randall Stadium at Wisconsin. I
would imagine Wisconsin fans are a little disappointed at their
placement on said list. Then at number fourteen Doak Campbell Stadium,
home of the Florida State Seminoles at number thirteen. This
one feels a little underrated personally to me. Texas Memorial Stadium,

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Daryl K. Royal and Longhorns check it in at number thirteen.
At number twelve one hundred thousand plus at Tennessee's Kneeland Stadium.
Another one hundred thousand plus and number eleven Kyle Field
at Texas A and M number ten on the list.

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Another one hundred thousand plus Michigan Stadium, the Wolverines at
number nine, Oregon Altson Stadium number eight, the Oklahoma Sooners
Gaylord Family, Oklahoma Memorial Stadium at number seven, The Swamp

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Ben Hill Griffin Stadium, home of the Florida Gators. At
number six, Memorial Stadium, your Clemson Tigers checking in as
with the sixth most difficult place to play in college
football according to EA Sports College Football Frank Howard Field

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at number five. Bryant Denny Stadium, home of the Alabama
Crimson Tide at number four. You're gonna venture between the
hedges at Sanford Stadium to take on those hairy dogs
of Georgia at number three. The Horseshoe, Ohio States, Ohio

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Stadium checking in as the third toughest place to play
in EA Sports College Football twenty six at number two
in the shadows of Mount Nitney in Happy Valley Beaver Stadium,
the Penn State Nitney Lions sliding in with the second

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toughest places to play in EA Sports College football, the
toughest environment. Do you have it yet? What team's missing?
Give you a little give you a little jeopardy to
boom boo boo boom boom boom boom boom boom Tiger Stadium, LSU.

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Did you get it? The number one place to play,
the toughest place to play in college football? Did you
get it right? Well, pardon me, mister perfect. That's the
top of the list, the LSU Tigers, followed by Penn State,
Ohio State, Georgia, then Alabama. That's your top five. Clempson

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just on the outside of the top five at number six.
South Carolina just outside the top fifteen, with WILLIAMS. Brice
Stadium checking in at number sixteen. So that's a look
at what EA Sports says are the toughest places to
play in the world of college football by virtue of

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the toughest places to play in the real world. Speaking
of the real world, well, the NBA Draft looms tonight.
We'll talk about Cooper flag landing with the Dallas Mavericks
and what kind of impact I think you'll have in
the NBA in the early portion of his career. We'll

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touch on that when we return right here on the show,
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Hall where Tiger fans shop. Okay, So, the NBA Draft
coming up tonight on ESPN and ABC at nine o'clock and.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
The the.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Dallas Mavericks are expected at this point to unequivocally select
Cooper Flag the freshman fellow out of the Duke, for
a multitude of reasons, number one, most notably because they
dealt Luka doncic Away and it's it's tough to believe,

(28:44):
in my opinion, even though Cooper Flag has been the
best basketball player at his age for many, many years.
I mean, he was the top player going to Duke.
He's the top player leaving Duke. Six nine, two hundred
and five pounder average nineteen point two points, seven and
a half rebounds at four point two assists. He's versatile,

(29:06):
he's athletic, he can defend block shots, and you're getting
a freakishly talented player. And look, Duke doesn't have, in
my opinion, the greatest track record of NBA's success. For
whatever reason, I think this kid has a chance to
be a really good player, assuming he stays healthy and

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so he'll be joining potentially recovering Kyrie Irving. Kyrie had
an ACL tear, he's aging. The former Duke player might
be Kyrie might be the best Duke player that the
NBA has seen in a while. That comes to mind
from me and even Kyrie's a bit of a disappointment.

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I would say, I don't know what happened. Like great players.
Great players used to be abound in the NBA and
they would win a lot of games. But now it's
like great players are there, but they don't win championships.
It's such a me first mentality in the league. It's
it's kind of disappointing and sad. But either way, I

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also think Anthony Davis is gonna be there as well,
and assuming that he comes back healthy again, the health
of these old guys. Cooper Flags got a chance to
play fifteen to twenty years in the NBA, and for Dallas,
who got very fortunate to win the draft lottery, it

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does feel like they have a chance to really replace Luca.
I just don't know if you'll get a player that's
as good as Luca over Tom. I think Luca probably.
I think if we compare the careers at the end,
I think Luke ends up having a better career than
Cooper Flag. When it's all said and done, a great

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opportunity for Dallas to pick up a huge piece that
can play in some respects similarly to the way Luca
played now and probably better defensively, quite frankly, second on
the list is an intriguing team because of their youth

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and the opportunity that they have to put another solid
player around Victor winmbin Yama. And that's the San Antonio Spurs,
who have the second overall pick. ESPN projects it they
will take Dylan Harper, the freshman out of Rutgers six
four and a half two hundred and thirteen pounds. Harper

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would give San Antonio a key piece, as he could
be a cornerstone as well for this group. He's a
guy that can you can allow the offense to run
through him, and he is also a pretty hard nosed defender,

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and so adding Dylan Harper to the Spurs lineup seems
to be the logical choice there. And then with the
third overall pick, the always rebuilding and never successful Philadelphia
seventy six ers are expected to take VJ. Edgecombe, the

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freshman shooting guard. You talk about a kid that can
jump out of the gym out of Baylor hole, he smokes.
This guy can get up. But again you would expect
over the next twenty years, it feels like that you'd
probably see Philadelphia in the top five probably twelve times

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or more. I mean, they just can't they they don't
know come here from Sickham. You know what I'm saying, Like,
what a terrible franchise. I need to get a opprehensive
list of the worst run franchises in sports. Philadelphia has
got to be in the mix in my life, certainly.

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Think the Charlotte Hornets are probably working their way there
as well. They have the four pick con couldn'tumple out
of Duke, the freshman expected to go Forth, and the
fifth pick in the draft goes to the Utah Jazz.
They are projected to take Jeremiah Fears, the point guard
out of Oklahoma. And we kind of went through this
list a while back. The one and done in college

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basketball is absolutely ruining the game and has ruined the game.
I think that either just go to go pro out
of high school so we don't have to invest in
you at the collegiate level at all. That's probably the
best model. And then also a model maybe similar to baseball,

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where if you say tying to play college, you got
to play three years. Make that the choice. Give us
some time to invest The first sophomore taken, the first
non freshman taken is CMB out of South Carolina. Colin
Murray Boyles, expected to be drafted twelfth by the Chicago Bulls.

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Give you some insight into some of the talent that
South Carolina had, or at least the talent singular that
South Carolina had this year. Colin Murray Boyles expected to
go with the twelfth pick in the NBA Draft. All right,
quick break, we'll come back. We'll put a bowl on
our number one. Don't forget coming up in our number

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two of the show, will be joined by Jeff Cameron,
host of The Jeff Cameron Show, to talk about the
Florida State Seminoles, expectations in the world of college football,
and the ACC. When we get back, keep it locked
London Swan back with you on a Wednesday afternoon Clemson
Sports Talk. So during the break, I was thumbing through

(35:11):
the rest of the projected first round selections in the
NBA Draft, and it does go to show you that
there's a you know, we talked about the problems with
the NIL and the transfer portal and all that stuff,

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but there is a bit of a problem still with
college basketball and the older the older class, right, the
upper classmen, like the only seven upper classmen selected in
the projected first round. I think like two seniors and

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five juniors something like that. I didn't write the numbers down, but.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
It was.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
It was something along those lines. It's just like, man,
when you think back to watching college basketball when we
were growing up, and the investment that you had every
season knowing so much about the players. I mean, I

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really believe that the prospects, especially now where players can
get paid. The concept of signing collegiately and having to
play for three seasons regardless of where you play at
this point, I mean, good gracious, I'm willing to lean
on that just for the sake of the argument. There's

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enough money available to make pretty good money playing college basketball.
So let's let's fix college basketball and make it more
interesting by having players have to play three years. And

(37:10):
if you don't want to play in college, then by
all means go to the NBA out of high school.
Like the NBA, they got to get rid of that rule.
And this all goes back.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
To a.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Situation back in twenty twenty five. This was put into
the NBA's Collective Bargaining Agreement, ending the era where guys
like Kobe Bryant Kevin Garnett and Lebron James could jump
directly from high school to the NBA, and there were
concerns about the readiness the physical maturity of the players

(37:51):
that existed, but I remember this being an issue where
college teams and college fans felt like they were missing
out on young stars and they wanted to see those
guys go to college for a year. And it funneled

(38:11):
players to college. And there was one kid, Golly, his name,
his name eludes me right now, that instead of going
to the NBA or excuse me, instead of going to college,
I remember he ended up going and playing a year
in like Australia and then came back. I can't remember

(38:34):
who that was, but either way, what it created, unfortunately,
is a one and done scenario, and now that I
think about it, I think that was a Lamellow ball

(38:55):
and I heard some rumors that the Hornets might be
trying to trade Lamellow. But I remember, like before this existed,
that you still had a one and done scenario, but
it didn't seem quite as as fluid and as ongoing

(39:17):
as it currently is. And I think, more than anything,
if we just back to bus up a little bit
and change the rules, and it would take the NBA
restructuring things and saying, you know what, we believe that
an eighteen year old can come play in the NBA,
and then on the flip side, have college basketball institute

(39:39):
a similar rule where you said, look, if you come
play in college, you're gonna stay for three years. Then
all of a sudden, what we create, in my opinion,
is better for both sports. Hear me out. First off,
the guys that are one and done go straight to

(40:00):
the NBA, you'd learned about them in the league. And
the guys that came to college and had to play
for three years, you'd learned about them in college, and
then when they went to the league, you'd have some
investment in those players. You don't have really any investment
right now from a collegiate standpoint in the NBA, not

(40:21):
all that much, but you would if guys had to
play for three years collegiately, and if other players, like
if Cooper Flag had been allowed to turn pro a
year ago, you would appreciate watching him in the NBA
just because he's in the NBA. But if he had
decided to go to Duke, guess what you'd be gearing

(40:42):
up for this coming season, another year of that dude
balling out in the Atlantic Coast Conference for the Blue Devils,
and with these guys being able to make money, I
don't see what the big deal is anymore. Just the
NBA needs to clear up to collect the bargaining agreement,
allow these players to go one and done from the
high school ranks, and additionally, guys that go to college.

(41:07):
The deal needs to be you have to stay for
three years. If you don't like that deal, then go
pro out of high school, take your chances in the draft,
and if it doesn't work out, go play overseas for
a year and then come back and try to be
drafted then.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
But if you go to.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
College, it's three years. Allow us, the college people to
invest and love. Like I shouldn't know rosters from nineteen
ninety five better than I know rosters from twenty twenty four,
but I do because those players stuck around and played
year after year after year. You can remember what that

(41:45):
roster looked like. I can't think of Like, if you
said Swanny, I couldn't name you. I don't think I
could name you a starting player for North Carolina or
Duke five years ago. That's tragic for the sport in
my opinion. All right, coming up around the band, Jeff
Cameron joins the program. We'll talk about the Florida State

(42:07):
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(43:01):
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the Jeff Camera Show. Jeff, what's up, buddy? How are you.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Much Lottin. It's almost time, buddy. I'm great, I'm doing great.
Thanks for having me on, and I'm excited. You know,
you and I were talking a little bit off the
air about the upcoming ACC kickoff, and you know, once
we get down to where it's like thirty days away
from that happening, you realize it's almost go time. Uh,
because you know those interviews, you're talking to the players
and the coaches, you see the other media, and you're
ready to go. Then camps start getting going and next

(44:00):
thing you know, you look up and it's it's freaking February.
So yeah, I'm getting geared up. We've almost survived the
interminable summer.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Florida State will be day two at the ACC kickoff
this year up in Charlotte. That's July the twenty third,
a Wednesday, and there's a lot of buzz around the seminoles.
Obviously for the fan base, I'm sure it feels a
little bit like a roller coaster. I mean, a couple
of years ago, you're undefeated through the regular season, you
get left out of the College Football Playoff. There's a
lot of hubbub about all that, and then last year

(44:29):
the Seminoles sort of face plant. Where is the fan
base right now? And you know what are you hearing
from the people locally that follow the Seminoles.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It's a unique time. I've covered the team for over
twenty five years, and I don't know that I've ever
seen a time like this, because I think I could
describe the fan base as frustrated, you know, forlorn, confused, angry, optimistic.
It's really weird. You don't usually get all of that
in one fail swoop. But it is a modern world

(45:02):
of college football where you could go twelve and zero
in a regular season, win a thirteenth game in an
ACC championship, and then turn around and get told it's
not good enough to go to the college football playoff
in an unprecedented stub and then think, okay, well maybe
they'll go on a revenge s tour the next year.
Oh no, no, they're gonna fall off a cliff in
a way that no team ever has and go to
and ten. So the fan base went from loving Mike

(45:23):
Norvel and thinking that the program was back to where
they believe it rightfully should be, competing for conference titles,
going to playoffs, all that sort of thing. To now
wondering whether or not this coach is the coach for them,
and this season will go a long way in deciding that.
And that's the other part of the modern college football landscape.
We watched teams go from being terrible to good, from

(45:46):
good to great to awful, from awful to great. I mean,
nobody thought Indiana was ever gonna be any good. All
of a sudden they were. Even Michigan, which had won
the national championship the previous year, can run off five games.
So it's a weird time in football, and I think
people don't really know what to make of it, especially
when you're on the wrong end of two and ten.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
He's on Twitter at Jay Cameron Show. You can listen
to him from one to four daily on ninety three
point three, but best the best way to catch him
is with the war Chant TV channel over on YouTube.
And so, Jeff, let's take a step back, I guess
and talk about what you just mentioned with Mike Norvelle.

(46:26):
I was looking at his contract a few weeks ago,
and I remember there was something in there along the
lines of where he was going to be giving into
like this seminole foundation of some sort to kind of
give back. Is that in your mind? And if I'm
wrong on that, please let me know. But is that
in your mind just a way for him to try
to gain some favor given sort of the treacherous ground

(46:49):
that I feel like he might be on if Florida
State does have a disappointing year.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Well, I think it's a pr move. Sure, yeah, I
think it absolutely is. You know how these things go
where coaches will donate to certain clubs or certain efforts
from the university. It curries favor, it gets some good PR.
I always wonder if there aren't caveats and those kinds
of deal that allow him to recoup the money that
they give. I'm a little bit jaded that way, but

(47:16):
I do think it was an effort to, uh again,
kind of put a best foot forward in Olive Branch,
if you will, for what just occurred, I will give
my credit. I've interviewed Mike many many times obviously, and
I know I'm kind of off the record on the
record in terms of like having this conversation about his
time at Florida State, and he was embarrassed, he owned it,

(47:37):
he was humiliated, angry, frustrated, he was all of the
things that the fans were about what happened a year ago.
I think he was incredulous. I don't think he thought
that could happen. And now the question becomes, no matter
how sorry, if sorrowful, one is what do you do
about it? What do you do to save your job?
I mean, make no mistake. If Florida State is anything

(47:57):
other than a seven or eight win team, if not better,
he's fired. Six and six won't save his job. He's
got to win games, and he's got to win games
right now. You can't go to inten At for State.
You just can't. It's for State, just like you if
you went to intenn At Clemson. No matter what Dabos
Sweeney has done, and he's done a lot, people would

(48:19):
want him gone. You can't go to and ten. You're
a program of note, to say the least in the
last forty years. You're part of the fabric of what
elite college football looks like for the last forty or
fifty years. You cannot go to Intent. And so as
much as they loved the guy the previous year, and

(48:41):
they even loved him the year before that when he
won ten games and got the program back in the
right direction, moving in the right direction. It was such
a cataclysmic failure that people are absolutely stunned and don't
know what to think about how a guy could be
that and also go to inten So I think it's
all on the line right now.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
So if we flashed back, Jeff, when when Florida State
announced that DJ Wuyunglila was gonna be coming, I thought
to myself, I don't think this is gonna work. Having
a year to look back at it, and I know
he obviously got injured, but even still, if DJ plays,
I don't think the team's much better. What were your
thoughts on that move initially a year ago, and now

(49:23):
that it's all said and done, how do the fans
look back on it?

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Obviously everybody's frustrated, But I here's the thing that I
thought on I really thought that they believed the move
to get DJ was predicated on a veteran offensive line
that had a ton of starts under their belt, and
some of those offensive linemen had actually played very well
in the conference, had done, you know, to the extent

(49:47):
that they were a second team All Conference, first team
All Conference a couple of those guys, So they thought
they had a known commodity up front. They wanted to
run the ball down, he'll and throw off a play action.
DJ has nothing if he doesn't have a big arm,
and he does have so they thought, all right, well
we'll bring in a big arm guy. We'll bring in
some speed through the poral and bringing a Jalen Brown
guys like that at wide receiver. And they think, okay,

(50:08):
we'll stretch the field, we'll throw the ball down the field, run,
we'll throw off a play action. Well, big problem day one.
They couldn't run the ball, and they couldn't run the
ball early. They couldn't run the ball when they tried
to flip up what they were doing offensively, under no
set of circumstances were they able to successfully run the football. Well,
that renders DJ absolutely useless because he's not mobile. The

(50:32):
other part of it, which they tried to keep under wraps,
is he suffered I believe, and I'll have to protect
myself here. I believe he suffered some sort of knee
or ankle injury in camp. And the reason I say
that is not wild speculation. When camp started, he wasn't
wearing a brais wasn't wearing a sleeve wasn't wearing anything
on a Zora extrevity, and he moved around well as

(50:54):
camp went on. First it started with the sleeve. Later
it was a full on knee brace. They continually said, no,
everything's fine. Well that can't be because as slow as
he was, and maybe he was always somewhat slow, he
was never that immobile. So now you have a guy
who cannot move at all and you can't run, well,

(51:14):
you're dead in the water. Teams just pin their ears
back and it was over before it started. And they
never really did get anybody to develop that they brought in.
It was just a wild swing and miss. It was
always a reach. I don't disagree with you, but I
understood the philosophy. When they couldn't run, it was blown
out of the water.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Jeff Cameron with this here on Twitter at Jay Cameron Show. So, Jeff,
I will tell you I did take the over Florida
State seven and a half. I didn't actually gamble on it,
but I looked at their schedule. I think it's a
team that finishes over seven and a half wins this year.
I think eight and four's probably likely. I think nine
to three is possible. It could certainly shift in the

(51:54):
wrong direction for Mike Norville as well. But when you
look at this team, they open with Alabama. We heard
the comments from the former Boston College quarterback Thomas Castellanos
over the weekend. Your thoughts on that opener and sort
of the locker room material that that gives the Crimson
tide when they probably don't need it, being about fifteen

(52:15):
point favorites or so heading into the opener over the seminoles,
it was certainly curious.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I don't think it was ideal. I'm sure, I'm sure
the coaches didn't love it. I will say that I
think there's a rather sizable segment of this fan base,
so that was happy to hear it. There's been a
lot of them open, a lot of head down, a
lot of frustration and the lack of confidence, and I
think that some people thought it was a bit of

(52:43):
a breath of fresh air to have the person at
the most important position and lead your team at quarterback
brimming with confidence. Whether that's foolishness or not remains to
be seen. Maybe made to look silly, but I think
a lot of people feel like I'd rather have that
then all of the uncertainty from guys that are supposed

(53:04):
to lead from that position that we've seen in recent memory,
and so namely DJ. People really got on DJ for
being a lack of a vocal leader, for not showing
a sort of a sense of bravado and belief that
they didn't like the unsuredness they saw from him. So
I think they sort of embraced this. We'll see. I

(53:24):
would have preferred some of those comments to come out,
but I would say this, They're gonna run the heck
out of that kid, and this whole offense is going
to be predicated on him being able to make plays
and be dynamic with his legs, and I don't think
they'll shy away from it. I mean to the point
where I think they'll run him excessively. And that's what
you do when you bring in Gus maus On, you

(53:45):
run the quarterback. This is what he does. Everything is
predicated off of that. So I do believe that they
want that kid to be confident because he's gonna be
relied upon to be a big part of why the
running game gets turned around. I still think Alabama wins
the game. As far as the schedule goes eight and four,
I think would be ideal given this schedule. The problem
with eight and four, if you projected out and Sam

(54:06):
taking the over seven and a half, is that that
means you really probably lose every meaningful game that is
on your schedule, namely Alabama, Miami, obviously Clemson on the
road in November, and then at the end of the
year Florida. It would mean that you lost all four
of those games. You won the others, which means you
have wins over Kent State, East Texas, Virginia, Stamford, pitt Wake,

(54:31):
and I'm trying to remember oh MC State and bought Deck.
So you would only have a marginal couple of wins
there that you could circle and say you were really
pleased about.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
The retort to that is, they won two games last year, Jeff,
they'll be happy about any of them. Fair enough. Fair enough,
But if you're a diehard Florida State fan that's been
around a while and you believe in a certain standard
that doesn't exactly move the needle, I guess it's baby steps.
But I think the best thing that could happen to
them would actually be, say they go eight and four

(55:00):
or or even nine to three. The best thing that
could happen to them would be one of those losses
is to a team that I just named that they
don't suspect they're gonna lose to. And one of the
wins be over in Alabama or a Florida or a
Miami or obviously it's uphill climbing, but on the road
against Clemson something like that, that would maybe be an
indicator you're closer than you think you are.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
All right, Jeff, you must be reading my notes because
I had Mike excuse me, I had Gus Malson up
next on my topics. And one of the reasons I
think it's important even still for a guy like Mike
Norvel to bring in somebody like Malson is the experience
of being the head coach. And you know, when you
look at Clemson staff, Dabosweeney's got several coaches that have

(55:47):
been head coaches at the Power four level, and for
Malason to be in this capacity, I would say maybe
more than anything, there might be a little mentorship. Is
that fair say to some degree? Because Norbelle is still
a very young head coach.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
He is a young head coach. He's only forty three
years old, and he actually you know, early in his
career worked with Gus Balzon, and he does. I think
you used the right word mentorship. He does look up
to Gus in that capacity. You certainly respects him, and
I don't think he would have brought him in otherwise.
I think the only way that dynamic works where you
have a forty three year old head coach who used

(56:27):
to work for the guy you're bringing into BDOC now,
the only way that works is both of them on
the same page and have a respect and understand each other.
And Mike basically turned the offense over to Gus upon
hiring him. He basically said, I'll step away. Mike's always
been the primary play caller. He's had a lot of success.
He failed miserably last year. I think recognizes that being

(56:50):
a head coach oftentimes means you need to turn it
over and be more of a CEO. You've got to
understand every facet of your organization on and off the field,
and you can't do that while you're the primary play caller.
In some cases, some people can, but it's now becoming
kind of the norm to see coaches take a step
back and allow their coordinators to do their job while

(57:10):
they oversee the whole operation, and I think he's embraced
that role. He's openly talked about it. He hasn't shied
away from that. So this offense is going to succeed
or fail solely based on Gus miles On, his play calling,
his implementation, whichever offense or iteration of the offense he
wants to put in place, given the personnel this year,

(57:30):
it's all going to be on Gus Maleson. Obviously, Ultimately
everything is on the head coach in Mike Ravel, but
he turned the keys over to the offense to Gus Malson.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Jeff Cameron with us here for a few more minutes.
War Chant TV on YouTube, the best way to find
him one to four daily talking about the seminals in
the Atlantic Coast Conference. So now I will turn the
attention towards the Clempson Tigers, the team I talk about
a lot, but I got some perspective from the state
of North Carolina last week. Now we go down to
the Sunshine State. From your perspective looking at Clemson, Listen,

(58:03):
the buzz is strange for me because the Tigers haven't
been this well thought of, perhaps since they walloped Alabama.
In the National Championship at twenty eighteen. What are your
thoughts from the outside looking in at Clemson in terms
of what you expect from the Tigers this coming season.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Well, I think everybody kind of raised an eyebrow towards
the end of last year when they realized that kid
Klubnick had figured it out, and their real hope was,
especially with the rocky start to Kaid Klubnick's career at
Clemson in which he would just arbitrarily call his own
number and kind of go off script and do things
that they didn't want him to do, was that he

(58:43):
would never materialize. The problem is he has materialized, and
he got it last year, and he became a guy
that you realized was going to be an elite quarterback
in college football. And lord knows he's not suffering from
a lack of receivers to throw to. So when I
look at Clemson, I look at them as the best
team in the ACC. I look at them as a
team that I would sprinkle pizza of money on to

(59:04):
go win a national championship. I would look at a
team that has all that experience, all those returning starters,
and say I think that they're the best team in
the league and that I think they'll be in the
College Football Playoff. And I think that that's a team
that you know, everybody would have to gun Florida, you know,
try to knock off in the in the AEC Championship.
That's who I believe them to be. It's why I

(59:25):
think that most for A State fans when they look
at the big four games on the schedule, and again
I'll repeat for those that don't know, for a state schedule,
off the top, obviously it's Alabama, Miami, Clemson, and Florida.
Those games were in the order that they're played that
I just laid out. Nobody circles the third one, which
is the game on the road against Clemson and says, oh, yeah,

(59:46):
FORDA State can win that game. The fan base doesn't.
I don't. Obviously, stranger things have happened. It is highly unlikely.
So I think Clemton is a team that you know,
Florida State will be behind in the ACC for sure,
and I don't think that's a real winnable game for
the Knoles this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Jeff. Final thing for you, when you look at the
other main hire for Clemson bringing in Tom Allen you know,
talking about hiring guys that have gotten it done. What
do you think his impact can be for Clemson this
year just based on what you've seen from him during
his time at Penn State.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Well, look, you know, you bring in a defensive coordinator
with his resume, and you know, I think it's foreboding
for a lot of people in this league. You know,
I think the last time that anybody was thinking about
him from the perspective of like where he was headed,
they were thinking that he was uppardly mobile as a
head coach. That didn't work out in Indiana. But everybody

(01:00:44):
respects him very much as a defensive coordinator. So I
just think it makes people very nervous that Clemson has
a very good staff and a lot of really good players.
There's no way to dance around it. I think they recognize.
I mean, you've got a relatively young, very successful, aggressive coach.
I I think it's a great move. I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Jeah fantastic man. I know Tiger fans are gonna love it.
Always appreciate you. Keep up the great work against Jeff
Cameron on Twitter at j Cameron Show war Chant TV.
If you're a Tiger fan and you want to peek
over the fence into the backyard and the Florida State seminoles.
There's no better place to do it than with Jeff Cameron.
Jeff always appreciate you, my man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Really enjoyed it, like you'd be. Well, brother, I'll talk
to you real soon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
There you go, Jeff Cameron, how about that. I like
the chuckle. I like the laugh when you talk about
Clemson and the expectations and the feeling that people are like, oh,
my lord, like Dabo Sweeney. You know, for years people
people weren't sure about Dabo. He goes to win a
national title. He goes and wins a second. Needs an
offensive coordinator, Go grabs the guy at the time that

(01:01:54):
was the you know, the probably perceived to be the
best in college football in Garrett Riley and pan out
yet but it's coming together. And then oh, you need
to upgrade your defensive coordinator. Oh go get maybe the
first or second best in college football in Tom Allen.
All right, quick break, keep it locked, rocking and rolling
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All right, So we talked a little bit about the
NBA one of the other things that is going on
because of that. You know, there's some trades that are
taking place as people attempt to acquire more draft picks,

(01:02:58):
you know, kind of manure for their roster, all of
those things. But the big trade is the Boston Celtics
sending Christoph Porzingis to the Atlanta Hawks. As the Hawks, Celtics,
and Brooklyn Nets agreed to a three team deal yesterday.
The Celtics are sending Christoph Porzingis and a second round

(01:03:22):
pick to the Hawks, while Terrence Man, who we talked
about yesterday being one of those pieces that was in
the puzzle for shake gilgis Alexander. They're sending Terrence Man
in Atlanta's twenty second pick to the Nets. And finally,

(01:03:44):
Georgis Nyang and a second round pick landing with the Celtics.
That news coming out yesterday. It was the second significant
trade in less than twenty four hours for the Celtics.
They also sent Drew Holiday to the Portland Trailblazers for
Anthony Simmons and two second round picks on Monday, and

(01:04:08):
according to those two deals, the Celtics saved one hundred
and eighty million dollars in luxury taxes on what was
originally projected to be a combined payroll and tax bill
of over five hundred million dollars next season. As part
of the deal, Boston received Cleveland's twenty thirty one second

(01:04:28):
round pick, which the Hawks previously held the rights to,
and Atlanta will take Boston's least favorable twenty twenty six
second round choice, sources told ESPN. So that's the big
news moving porzingis out. And by the way, I mentioned

(01:04:49):
Kyrie Irving earlier. According to sources, Irving intends to sign
a three year, eleven it's gonna be one hundred and
nineteen million dollar deal with to Dallas Mavericks. Isn't that
hard to believe? Like? How out of control our contracts
in the in sports, they've gotten so sideways that aging players,

(01:05:18):
injured track record, like all of those things that Kyrie
Irving has at thirty three years old, going on thirty four,
it'll be thirty four next month. As a guard in
the NBA, you could still get a three year, one
hundred and nineteen million dollar deal. That is just stupid

(01:05:44):
money for that age doesn't make any I mean whatever, Hey,
it ain't my money. Well Elsewanny it is if you
go No, not true. I don't really go to those
games all that often enough to support a one hundred
and nineteen million dollar deal for the Dallas Mavericks. Believe me,

(01:06:04):
I make it about an NBA game every ten years.
I don't think I'm helping foot the bill for these
outrageous contracts. Do you watch the NBA, Swanti, Yeah, I
don't even know I watch it enough to really support
those kind of that type of money. But one final

(01:06:26):
basketball note of the Dame, We'll put the NBA in
the can until tomorrow when we find out the results
of the NBA draft. The Nuggets president presented a NICOLEA.
Jokic trade scenario. Jokic in the minds I have most

(01:06:47):
people considered one of the top three players certainly on
the planet right now. Now. His dedication, yeah, it's enough.
His dedication to the game's kind of another, uh, another

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sidebar of it, because I think he would prefer not
to be in the US playing basketball, but unfortunately it
pays the bills. But as the Denver Nuggets head towards
the NBA draft, team president Josh Kronkie, who's the son

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of the owner Stan Kronkie, spoke to the media yesterday
and offer a few interesting sound bites. One was confirming
that a standard piece of NBA business would happen this summer,
which is the Denver Nuggets would offer Jokic the extension
they're allowed to, but that he wasn't sure if Jokich

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would accept it, and this is because he can make
much more money by waiting to sign an extension next year.
But the more bizarre quote on Joki's future in Denver
came in response to a question about their willingness the
Nuggets' willingness to spend and go onto the second the

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second apron financially, something they did not do a year
ago when they let Contavious Calwell Pope leave in free
agency and Kronk used his answer to effectively explain why
the Nuggets wouldn't do that by willfully bringing up an
unprompted the disaster scenario where they trade Jokic. He said, quote,

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I think that for us as an organization, going into
that second apron is not something that we're scared of.
I think that there are rules around it that we
need to be very careful of with our injury history. Quote,
the wrong person gets injured and very quickly you're in
a scenario that I never want to have to contemplate.

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And that's trading number fifteen. Of course, that's Jokic, he said.
And so we're very conscious or conscientious of pushing forward
and providing the resources that we can when the moment rise.
But that second apron is it a hard cap? I'm
not one hundred percent sure, but it's something that teams
are obviously very aware of going forward. So essentially what

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the ownership team there in Denver is saying is, look,
we are aware of the financial particulars in the NBA
and the way the salary cap and the apron and
everything work, and if need be, if something happens and
goes wrong, we could put ourselves in a situation where
we have to trade Jokic, and that raised a ton
of eyebrows around the league. Today, stay with us Clemson Sports,

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Saltlaw and swan with you on a Wednesday afternoon again
thanks to Jeff Cameron Man. That was fun talking a
little Florida State football locked in with war Chant, and
we'll go through some of the other over undertow as
well this week. I think I mentioned this yesterday, but

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I couldn't place my finger on it, and then John
Blow fired off the tweet that decided it for me.
So of course in the new EA Sports College Football
you can have coaches who have signed on in Daboswenon.
Garrett Riley and Tom Allen all did sign on, which

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means you could use their name, image and likeness, and
I guess they tried to make dabos when you look
like Dabos, when I mean, I see Ryan Day looks
a little bit like Ryan Day. But then John Blow
put out one of these tweets you can't unsee it,
and when he tweeted that Daboswening looks like Jeff Daniels,

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you know from Dumb and Dumber, and I can't unsee it.
Every time I look at Dabos swinging. Now in this game,
I think Jeff Daniels. I hope they do some modification,
just a little modification. I don't think it looks much
like him. It looks more like Jeff Daniels. I can't.

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I can't get over it. But anyway, go check that out.
If you get tom find John Blow on social media.
He's the one that tweeted it out. Now, I just said, man,
no kidding, no kidding. By the way, looking at it
in this dynasty, they're heading into week seven. More concerning

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the Tigers are three and two. I would say, I
would say that's the bigger concern, although looking at it,
it looks like it's a dynasty and not a simulation,
So there's a positive on that front.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
So what if.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
What if the Tigers start the season three and two?
That would mean they lose to LSU, lose to Georgia
Tech or North Carolina. Oh woof that three and two star?
Can't we all admit it that three and two star

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is a lot uglier than Dabosweeney Syracuse fans are like, hey,
what about us? Maybe it was a loss to us? Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know anyway, it won't be long. Now,
what about two months away from the kickoff of college football?
I think what Monday is the thirtieth, so that would

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be what exactly two months away from LSU and Clemson
in Death Valley. Who man, he'll be here before you
know it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
We talked with Jeff Cameron earlier and we talked a
little bit about Thomas Castellanos in that interview he did
with Pete Nakos, and the quote was, I feel like
I tore the a sec up by myself for the
last two years, and now I'm with a squad. And

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Cameron Martinez, who plays at Boston College, responded in the
comments and said that ain't how I remember it. With
a chin rub and a laughing emoji. How spectacular. Not
to mention LSU fans, excuse me, I did it. There

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is Louisville fans In the comments. After Louisville beat Boston
College a year ago fifty six to twenty eight, Sean
says Bama by thirty. No troll again. I don't know
how it'll all shake down for Florida State. Castellanos is

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a versatal quarterback five foot nine five ten, maybe two
hundred pounds last season though injured out all that stuff,
one thirteen hundred and sixty six yards passing, eighteen touchdowns
and five interceptions, and now stepping into the mix in

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Tallahassee and opening with Alabama and those comments, it doesn't
seem like that's gonna be a great mix for Castellanos.
The good news is for me doesn't have to adjust
to the uniform colors and stuff. Boston College and Florida
State look a lot alike, y'all would be able to

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he all to be able to enjoy that. Plus the
environment at Florida State is gonna be tenfolds better than
anything he enjoyed at Boston College. Like I can say
that I know for a fact that the the vibe
and and the impact that college football has in Florida

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State is much greater than it ever was at Boston College.
So Castellanos was benched at Boston College, then quit the
team three days later. Was four and eight against ACC
games or ACC competition, twenty touchdowns off set by thirteen
interceptions in his career in that regard, and now he

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heads to Florida State, and it certainly sounds like his
confidence is through the roof, and we'll see how it
all shakes out. He'll be the big key to that
over under for the Seminoles, which is placed in Vegas

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at seven and a half, and I would say eight
looks good to me. Eight and four, I think for
Florida State again, we'll do a couple more teams tomorrow
as well, and then they maybe we'll look at Clemson
or heck Man for that matter. I I can stretch
out out another week with all the teams and just
do a few each at a few each day, taking

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a look at all those schedules along the way as
we get closer and closer to the kickoff of the
college football season. All right, well we come back, we'll
turn our attention to Tiger baseball. I do want to
play some comments that I saw on social media from
Eric backage later. I think he was on with Phil Cornblute,
maybe yesterday, trying to get some of that later in

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the week perhaps, But I do want to talk about
one former Tiger that will make his way into the
college Baseball Hall of Fame. So we'll touch on that
when we return. Keep it a lot right here on
Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred the Midlands and on the
iHeartRadio app. For more Clemson Sports Talk Again, you can

(01:16:55):
follow us on Twitter at Clemson Sports. Wait a quick break,
we'll come back. One of the Tiger greats now makes
his way into the College Baseball Hall of Fame. We'll
also talk about a Tiger team that maybe missed a
chance to be national champs when he was there. We'll
tell you about it when we return.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture, don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately? What have you done?

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Always are the same.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
We win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Final segment on a Wednesday, Clemson Sports Talk Again. Thinking
to Jeff Cameron for joining us earlier. So I did
not get to this over the past couple of days,
but former Clemson pitcher the Big Ridy Chris Benson, the
nineteen ninety six National Player of the Year. He'll be

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inducted into the College Baseball Hall of Fame on February twelve.
That news came out on Monday. According to the College
Baseball Fan Dation, Benson won the twenty one people who
will be inducted in February is the second former Clemson
Tiger player and third program member will be inducted into
the National College Baseball Hall of Fame, joining the late

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Clemson Tiger head coach Bill Wilhelm and ruts Rusty Atkins.
Benson was named the ACC Athlete of the Year for
all Sports back in nineteen ninety six, and was named
the nineteen ninety six National Player of the Year and
was the first overall selection in the nineteen ninety six

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Major League Baseball Draft. Now we'll get back to Benson,
but what some of you might have forgotten about that
ninety six draft is that there were two Clemson pitchers
taken with the top four picks, as Billy Koch was
selected with the fourth pick by the Toronto Blue Jays. Benson,

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of course, selected with the first pick by the Pittsburgh Pirates.
But man, they give you an idea of just how
good that Clemson pitching staff was that season. Two of
the top three pitchers in the country. I believe Kotch, though,
was either I can't remember, was he a reliever at
Clemson or a reliever in the majors. Maybe Koch pitched

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at Clemson, but then became a reliever in the MLB,
but back to Benson in nineteen ninety six. Benson recorded
one of the best seasons at Clemson history as the
first team All American, led the Tigers to the College
World Series and posted a fourteen to two record with
a two oh four to twenty seven strikeout to Walt Ratio,

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giving him a two point zero two ERA in one
hundred and fifty six innings pitched. In his three year
career from nineteen ninety four to ninety six, Benson was
twenty nine to eight with a save a two ninety
ERA with three hundred and fifty six strikeouts to just

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seventy nine walks in one hundred excuse me, in three
hundred and nineteen in two thirds innings during fifty appearances.
Other awards during his college career, he got the Rotary
Smith Award, the ABCA Player of the Year, and recognition
as a unanimous first team All American, and he was

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also the recipient of the Dick Hauser Trophy for his performance, character, leadership,
and courage that typically goes to the best baseball player
in the country. Benson was inducted into the Clemson Hall
of Fame in two thousand and five and in twenty
about and in twenty oh three Godly. In two thousand

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and three, he was named the Accs to the ACC's
fiftieth year Anniversary team. After being selected as the top
pick in the draft by the Pirates, Benson pitch for
Team USA in the ninety six Olympics, where they won
a bronze medal. He made his first Major League start
April ninth, nineteen ninety nine. During his MLB career, he

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played for the Pirates, Mets, Orioles, Rangers, and Diamondbacks in
a career that spanned more than a decade. He totaled
seventy wins in the majors with a four point four
to era and During his professional career, Chris Benson gave
him many charitable causes and was honored with the Pittsburgh
Pirates Roberto Clemente Award, the Thurman Monthson Award, the Joan

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Payson Award, and the New Jersey Sports Writers Humanitarian of
the Year Award. While in Baltimore, Benson's battalion was recognized
by the Baltimore Police Department. He also received a certificate
of appreciation from the US Armed Forces Central Command in
Saudi Arabia. To be eligible for the Baseball Hall of

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Fame ballot, players must be out of college for fifteen
years and have completed one year of competition. Eligible coaches
must be retired for two years or active and no
less than seventy five years old. So Chris BENSI congratulations

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to him as he has now been inducted into the
College or will be inducted into the College Baseball Hall
of Fame again, joining the late Bill Wilhelm, the former
Clemson Tiger head coach, and the late Rusty Atkins. So
what a season though? Back in ninety six, ah man,
you know we talked about Coastal Carolina their opportunity to

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win a second national championship. This past week or should
I say weekend? South Carolina with two national championships, what
it really feels like that Clemson team that went out
to Omaha and what nineteen ninety six would Benson and

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kotch Ugh that that group didn't win a national title.
That feels like a big swing in the miss, for
lack of a better term, the head to the baseball
front there all right, Look, we gotta get out here.
Thank you again for being a part of the show. Again,
I appreciate each and everyone to be hanging out with
us here on Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred and on

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the iHeartRadio app until tomorrow. As always, y'all, take care
now and goat Tigers.