The "Go Earn It" Edition

Swanny sits down with Dabo Swinney at the ACC Kickoff. 

Episode Transcript

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For being a part of the program. We have safely
made it back from the Queen City of North Carolina
after a couple of days on the floor at the
Hilton Uptown. We had a chance to talk with several coaches,
many players, including Dabo Sweeney and the Clemson contingent. We've
played some audio for you already over the past couple

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of days. We will be resetting some of that audio
into the next week of the program as well as
we get closer and closer to kick off of the
college football campaign. One of the other things I do
want to talk about today is the passing of Hulk Hogan.
I was unable to mention it on the program yesterday

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when Hogan actually passed away at the age of seventy one,
because I had already recorded the entire show prior to
that news breaking. And one of the things I try
to do when I'm on the road with Clemson's Sports
Talk is make sure that everything is done as early
as possible. We'll talk with Mike Mooneyham about Hulk Hogan's

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the history, if you will. It was not without controversy
at the end, for sure, But if you were ten
years old in nineteen eighty six eighty seven ish mean
Hogan at one point was maybe one of the biggest
stars in your life. So we'll talk with Mike Muniyham

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about Hult Cogan in our number two. And one other
thing that I do want to get into momentarily the
frustration with Bill Belichick not making the trip down radio Row.
So we'll talk about all that here on the program

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over the next couple of days, but without further ado,
we will jump into one of our interviews from the
floor at the Hilton Uptown Charlotte, North Carolina, as we
sat down yesterday with Clemson head coach Dabo Sweeney. We're
at the ace see kickoff Dabo Sweeney again, Sweeny and
Swanny back together, talk at college football. That gets it's

(04:05):
almost here. How are you go?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Great?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Great?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Everything good? So I wanted to start with this now.
As a coach, obviously you're impacting a lot of college players,
but you also got a chance to impact your sons,
not just at the collegiate level, but recreation level. Talk
to me a little bit and our listeners, maybe the
dads out there that are thinking about coaching their kid
Just what you got out of that experience?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Oh, man, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
For me, I couldn't coach them ever in football, but
I coached them in baseball for twelve years.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
We did a travel ball team and it was just
so much fun. We would you talk.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
About time in the car and going to these random places,
and you know, it was my way and I was
probably they would probably tell you this. I was way
tougher on them as a baseball coach, probably all those
kids that I do coach in football, right, But it
was my way of making sure that I could instill
the things that I wanted int them as they went
on their competitive journey in middle school and high school

(05:04):
and so forth and playing for other coaches, and then
to be able to coach them at Clemson was just awesome.
And it really wasn't as much me coaching them, but
knowing that they were getting what all these other kids
had gotten that had come through our program over the years,
because it's so much way bigger than me. And to
know that, I mean, I know what they've gotten at home,

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but to know that they were also getting exposed to
the holistic approach that we have in our program was
really cool. To have a front row seat to watch
that and certainly not easy to be the coach's son
and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
But I loved it. I loved every second of it.
It was awesome.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
And then the oldest two have chosen to go into coaching,
and so now too. That's been cool because you know,
they know Dad, they think they know what you know,
but then all of a sudden they get on the
other side of the curtain and they have a much
deeper understanding and respect for, you know, our program and
what all it takes and what goes into it. And

(06:01):
so that's been really cool because I mean, they just
chose that on their own. They I didn't have any
influence on that, and you know, so I guess that's
kind of our family business, if you will, And so
it's exciting. That's been cool for me. And my my
big thing with them was, you know, we'll listen if
this is what y'all want to do, and I'd like
for y'all to spend at least a couple of years
and a couple couple of laps around the sun.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I really want you.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Because I really believe that this this is the type
of foundation that you want to go build your career on.
And I want you to really understand it on a
very intimate level. So you know, then you know wherever
your career takes you, it takes you, and you're going
to be prepared for that. So you know that's Uh,
that's been really cool to be a part of that.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well. And I know with your time back when they
were younger, a lot of that probably fell on Kathleen.
And in terms of kind of keeping them grounded, what
do you think you guys did to really prepare them
to because a lot of success with the job that
you were doing to kind of keep them where they
had this track for their future, you know, not just
thinking hey Dad's made it, I'm I'm good.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, we just we're a faith based family. And we
kept the main thing the main thing, and and we
kept it normal. You know, the house I was living
in as an assistant, we stayed right there, uh until
Will graduated.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
We didn't move into the head.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Coach until until until Will was in college and Drew
was a senior in high school. And uh, when I
got the job, they were just you know, third grade
or whatever it was. So we stayed there. We built
a new deck and put a pool in. When I
became the head coach, but I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
We just kept I just.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Wanted to keep it very normal for them, you know, just.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
You know, just I mean, I tell them the truth.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
We we involved them in everything. We were just we've
always been a very close family. But the biggest thing
is we've just we've we've we've we've raised them, you know,
to be young men of faith. And they all made
that decision along the way and just you know, stay
close and talk about everything and have great communication. And

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they've done great. Two of them are married now, So
it's been awesome.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I know, I remember when we were the young guys here,
what's happening to us? All of a sudden, I look around,
there's all these young media types.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I'm like, what in the world goes?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Fast? World?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Man?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
All right, Tabo Sweedey with us here at the ACC kickoff.
Let's talk about this team a little bit.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I've covered the program for twenty years thirteen now on
the radio, and I think about, like the expectations coming
off of the twenty eighteen National Championship. I feel like
there's so much buzz around this group, maybe even more
than that, not saying are you surprised at that because
you know what you've got in the locker room. But

(08:47):
has it been maybe a little bit interesting to you
how much people are talking about you guys right now
by comparison to maybe some of those other teams that
had a ton of talent.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well, I mean, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Just like the weather, just you know, wait, twelve months,
anything can change, right like last year it was, it was,
you know, we weren't picked to win the league, and
you know, our quarterbacks stunk and and and now twelve
months later, we're you know, we're we've got the Heisman
Trophy and we got twenty two first rounders and you
know we're no pressure. We're gonna blow everybody out. I mean, like,

(09:18):
you know, so it's amazing how things change. That's why
you gotta That's why you got to be grounded, and
you got to have good perspective, and and you got
to really whether they're talking bad about you, talking good
about you, you know, you really can't focus on that stuff.
You're not gonna predict your way, and nobody else is
gonna predict predict you into to winning a championship or
you know any of that other stuff. You got to

(09:39):
go do it, and you got to earn it. And
so that's the part I love. That's where we get
started next week and get on the grass and get
to go start doing it.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
But this is a good football team. I mean, there's
no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
I mean, we've got to proven quarterback that people believe in,
got good skill, got dudes in the trenches. Uh got
a kicker that can win a game for you. I
think we got good guys on the back seven. I
love our staff, but it's also a team. From an
intangible standpoint, they're close. I mean, this is an era
where guys could leave anytime they want, and they all chose.

(10:10):
They like the place and they really love each other.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
And so.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
You know, I'm excited about doing the work. Need a
little bit of luck along the way. Nobody really wants to,
you know, talk about that. But our best teams, our
best players have been available well, and you know, so
you need a break here there when it comes to that.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well, and you bring up a good point because when
I'm talking to Antonio Williams and I asked him about
Adam Randall transitioning, and he talks about this is a
guy that deserves it. This is a guy that's committed
to Clemson, and when all these other people have a
chance to leave, you know, he's right there for you.
And he's a kid who camp when he's like seven,
eight years old. So I mean, I think that really

(10:51):
tells the story of your team in an era where
so many people thought maybe the recipe wasn't gonna work.
I think that slow Cookermantal he's really paying off at Clemson.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean we're we're fifth in
the nation and wins this decade, the last five years.
And I know we're supposedly, you know, been like wandering
in the desert with Moses or whatever. But we're fifth
in the wins this decade and we've won the league
three times this in the last five years out of

(11:22):
the last ten, so we we really hadn't gone anywhere.
But uh, you know this this spunch is is committed.
But Adam Randall, I mean he is the epitome of
a Clemson man. And yeah, I mean, you know, I know,
and not my role. You know, you're you're not supposed
to really publicly put but I'm pulling for Adam Randall. Yeah,
you're talking about a kid that deserves it, like this

(11:44):
guy deserves it.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
And I really believe this.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
I mean I I and maybe I'm wrong, and maybe
it doesn't go the way we all want, but I
really believe if he stays healthy, I think he's going
to be one of the coolest stories in college football.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
I really believe that. Uh So, you know, he's got
to go do it.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
We can't talk it our way into it, but he's
equipped for it, and he just just good Lord keeps
him healthy. I think he's gonna have It's gonna be
a fun year, and he's perfect because he's such a leader,
you know, because there's a lot of young guys in
that room. Yeah, and I just think he can really,
uh you know, be a dynamic piece for us.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
So gonna be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Coach, looking forward to covering it. Thanks for your time
as always. Always good to be with you, Susan Lloyd.
Good to see you sitting next to Susan. I don't
know if y'all knew that or not. Uh yeah, so
there you go. Dabos Wheney's time with us. I thought
it was interesting. I always try to take it a
little different, you know, a little different direction than maybe

(12:44):
you might expect. Dabos Weney also took to the podium
up in Charlotte. We'll jump into that conversation right here
on a Friday afternoon.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Whoa uh that is bright Well, just super excited to
be at this point in our twenty twenty five journey.
This is kind of what it all builds to, you know,
getting to the season. You work all year for just
a few days. You know one of those days is
coming up, just a few weeks down the road, and
opportunity to get back on the field with our team

(13:14):
as a full staff and a complete team next week.
So excited about that. Got some great young men with me. Obviously,
I don't know where Antonio went.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Where's he at?

Speaker 5 (13:23):
He's coming around, but Antonio Williams is with us. He's
somewhere around here. But he's our great receiver. Gonna graduate
in December. Kate Klubnick also going to graduate in December.
And then we've got two outstanding defensive players here and TJ.
Parker and Peter Woods. They're all great people. And these

(13:44):
two guys right here three years, great players, but great leaders.
Both will graduate in December in three years, great representatives
on the field. But also off the field for our
program and just excited about getting going. You know, look
forward to getting on the field with him next week.
It's been a good off season, the guys that put
the work in. We've been around a lot of good

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teams and this team, you know, has the ingredients to
be a really good team. But we got to go
do the work. We can't talk about it or predict
our way in it. Y'all can't predict our way into it.
We've got to go do it and do the work.
And so excited about that next phase of our journey.
And then for me personally, since my thirty six year
in college football, my twenty third at Clemson, thirteen at

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Alabama and you're twenty three at Clemson. I mean, it's
just it's special, Just incredibly grateful and you know, blessed
to have an opportunity to be a part of a
team and have a chance to you know, do something
that I really love and that's the game of football
and competing and doing life with a bunch of you know,
great young people.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
That was Clemson Hey coach Daboswingy in his opening statement
at the a SEC kickoff, He was also asked about
his philosophies where many people were critical of Clemson and
then getting back into the College Ball Playoff and what
that says perhaps about coach Sweetey and the program that
he's built.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Well, I think we've earned that through consistency. I mean,
we did something last year that only four teams in
one hundred and sixty years of college football have done.
Nebraska did it with coach Osburn, Coach Bowden at Florida State,
coach Saban at Alabama, and now Clemson. Fourteen straight nine
plus win seasons. Thirteen of those ten plus win seasons.

(15:26):
So you know that we've earned that through consistency, and
that's really for us, what it's always been about is
just being incredibly consistent. We're not perfect, but we're incredibly consistent.
But that's because we're purpose driven and we're relationship driven,
you know, and in the I think our program reflects
that that purpose in everything in every aspect. We've got

(15:49):
the highest graduation rate in America thirteen out the last
fourteen years. We've been top ten academically. We're the only
school in America fourteen years in a row top twenty
five in football and academics. So you know, we're a
place that really values education and again that's the big
the start of our purpose and the kids that come
there they align with that. It's a holistic approach and

(16:11):
we've won as well. And the craziest probably three years
of college football, not only are we tops in the
country and graduation, we're topping the country in retention, you know,
and fewest players leaving your program. So you know, we're
purpose driven, we're relationship driven, and we've created a ton
of consistency, not just in winning, we've been incredibly consistent,

(16:33):
but you know how we how we've won, you know,
and that's by fulfilling the purpose that drives our program
and drives the habits and within our program every day.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Dabo Sweeny was also asked about the veteran leadership and
the veteran presence with guys that have a lot of
playing time and experience on this roster in twenty twenty
five and the advantage it gives Clemson.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
I mean it's awesome. I mean experience, as they say,
that doesn't come in a discount like it's it's uh.
We've got a bunch of great young men, our quarterback
especially that's had to manage success well, and he's had
to manage some failure well too. He's grown into a
great leader of our team. And you know, the experienced
guys we have most of our team back. I think

(17:14):
that again speaks to our retention. You know, these guys
can leave any time they want, so they have to
choose first of all to come, and then they have
to choose to stay. And I just think that says
a lot about kind of how we put it together
on the front end, you know, in recruiting guys that
really align with our purpose, Guys that really value education
and won't structure and family and accountability and you know,

(17:35):
but also you know, they value the place that they're at.
And that's these guys that they could all go wherever
they want to go. But it's a close group. They've
they've done football life together for a few years now,
and they've had some success, and certainly last year and
getting a chance to kind of maybe maybe get a
little glimpse at the top of the mountain. That's that's
certainly given them a little fuel as they've gotten back

(17:57):
to work since January. But you know, great great leader
that really truly care about each other. They care about
the place. They have a very clear vision of how
they want to finish. Now they've got to go do
the work, so they go.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Some of the opening comments from Dabo Sweeney, we will
hear more from Clemson's head coach coming up around the
bend as he concluded his time with the larger contingent
of the media there up in Charlotte, and they get
up in Charlotte in again our interview with Sweeney. Are
one on one with Dabo Sweeney just a little bit
earlier in the segment, which we will also reset for

(18:32):
everybody depending on the people are on vacation. We'll also
work that in at some point along the way next
week as well.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Again.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
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(19:22):
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Clemson Sports on Twitter, and of course we're also available
on TikTok and other platforms as well. Dabbo Sweeny, Clempson
head coach sat down with us with a one on
one interview, but he also met with the media members
and Sweeny was asked by one of the media members
to give some insight into how the Paul Journey has

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helped impact players and help retain guys from leaving the program.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
So again, our purpose is graduation number one. Number two,
it's to equip them as men, you know, through the game.
Number three is to make sure they have a great
college experience. And then lastly is to win a championship.
And when everybody that comes there to win a championships.
That's how we started the program sixteen years ago and
nothing has changed, and so Paul Journey is not something

(20:53):
that we just started doing. The day that I became
an interim coach October eighteenth, two thousand and eight, I
went next door. I lived next door to a guy
named Jeff Davis, and he was just my neighbor for
six years. You know, I didn't really know him as
you know, this great player, and he wasn't working in

(21:14):
Clemson football. He was on campus doing development and working
with call me mister program, and and I just kind
of laid out my vision and I was like this
if I ever got to be a head coach, this
is kind of what I want to do. And the
ad said, I get to be the head coach for
seven weeks and I can do whatever I want. And
I was like, so this might only be a seven
week job, but this is what this is. I want
you to come. I want somebody who's not a coach,

(21:36):
and I want somebody who can help me coach life
every day because life's happening and coaches are busy and
we're meetings. And in those days there were nine coaches,
the two gas and one ops guy. You know, the
coaches wore every hat. And so I hired Jeff Davis,
and you know, we ended up getting the job, and
so he was a one man shop creating this this

(21:57):
curriculum that we now call Paul Journey. And now it's
you know, six people and it's a living, breathing space.
It's at the entrance of our building. But it is
a curriculum. I mean, we have micro internships all over
the world. We've had one hundred percent job placement seven
years in a row. We are equipping them as men.
They learn everything from how to tie tie to how

(22:18):
to have a nice dinner, doing a resume to how
to do an interview. We had a group go to
Italy this summer. They went to South Africa last summer.
They've been to Thailand, Costa Rica. You know, we are
creating life experiences, financial literacy, tax educate. We've been doing
that for sixteen years and now you know, with an
actual true financial component to college. You know, it just

(22:40):
allows us to either even further equip them as men.
Eighty one percent of the guys who've gotten a shot
at the NFL from Clemson have made the roster. That's incredible.
Paul Journey's been a huge part of that. I mean,
it truly is an amazing program. You know, the players
can speak even more to it. We're involved in the community.
A lot of they learn how to serve. You know,
we like to say we're a leadership organization. We just

(23:02):
play football doing it and a lot of great leaders
have developed. And so that's how we equip them as
men is through Paul Journey and then having a great
college experience. Well, I mean every summer I see all
these pros back in Clemson, from Dexter Lawrence to Cleveland
Furrow and Christian Wilkins and so on, training for four
and five weeks. I've got twenty five former players on

(23:25):
my staff. They had a great experience. We are topping
the country in retention because we're living the purpose and
then over the last parts winning a championship. And so
sixteen years later, if you say you're purpose driven, then
you got to have purpose driven results. And we have
the highest graduation in America. Paul Journey is the model
player development organization in all of college football. Our kids

(23:47):
are staying at a high level because they're having a
great experience. And every player that I've ever signed since
February of nine, my first signing classes won a championship.
When I got the job, Clemson hadn't won the league
in twenty years. Every player that has signed it Clemson
since February of nine, every player has won a championship.
But it's how you win that I think really separates

(24:07):
places and people. There's a lot of narratives, but that's
the facts. But it all goes back to how we
put it together on the front end, getting the right people,
you know that really align with what you believe. And
you've got a group of young men right here that
could have gone anywhere in the country out of high school,
could going anywhere. Every year they've been here, they could
have gone somewhere, but they've chosen to be a part

(24:27):
of it because they are living that purpose. Again, you
got two that are going to graduate in December in
three years, and then K's going to graduate in right
on time in three and a half years. And they're
all developed as men, they're all having a great experience,
and they've won championships. So the only people in our

(24:48):
building that hadn't won a championship is those guys that
just got there, so they're on the clock. We've never
put winning a championship first. It's always been about the
purpose that I've talked about, And again, Paul Journey is
an incredible aspect of that, and Jeff Davis has been
a huge partner. And every ounce of success that we've

(25:11):
had at Clemson, Jeff Davis has been right there. And
I'm talking about from being the captain of the nineteen
eighty one national championship team to later in life coming
back and buying into the vision that I really wanted
to create in being a head coach and how I
wanted to do it. And I told him well, here's why,

(25:31):
this is why I want it to be that way.
And then man, he's taken it and gone from what
we originally called a player relations department to Paul Journey.
It's been awesome to watch.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
So Davos, when you there laying it out how Paul
Journey not only is impacting the players after their careers
at Clemson, but also being a huge part of the
retention that Clemson has in keeping players, where maybe other
programs out there struggle with that regard. I think, you know,

(26:04):
I talked about Bill Belichick earlier, and we'll jump into
Belichick here momentarily after the break, but you know, when
you think about like all of the all of the
individuals that have chosen to stay at Clemson and at
a school like North Carolina, even with a coaching transition,

(26:27):
still being a bit of a catalyst of it though,
I think the stat I heard was seventy new ballplayers
there seventy. Remember rosters were just eighty five man rosters,
and we're going to balloon I believe up to one
hundred and five. But still, how do you how do
you grow your program? And I get it's year one

(26:49):
for Belichick, but if your program has new players coming
in over and over and over. It absolutely makes it
incredibly difficult to build continuity and cohesion and really begin
to generate the results that you want. When players don't
feel that, they don't necessarily feel much loyalty, and it

(27:09):
almost is a cycle that builds upon itself and can
create more people deciding that they want to leave because
he don't feel like they're maybe at home. All right,
quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk about Bill Belichick
ducking Radio Row right after this, rolling along Clemson Sports
Talk Lawton Swan hanging out with you on a Friday

(27:29):
afternoon after a few days up in Charlotte at the
ACC kickoff protocol as far as I know, for the
first time ever to a degree, was broken as Bill
Belichick and I hope this isn't the beginning of the
end for Radio Row. But Bill Belichick did not make

(27:52):
it through Radio Row. He walked by, but he did
not do any interviews. And it's the first time that
I can recall a coach not doing any interviews with anybody.
And if he did do them, and I'm wrong, I
apologize I missed it. I know a year ago. Mike

(28:13):
Norvel did no interviews with Clemson media, and it did
not look like Mike Norvel was doing interviews with Clemson
media this time around. He did not do an interview
with me. Bill Belichick did talk about Dabo Sweeney. We'll
hear that in just a minute. He did talk about

(28:34):
coming to the collegiate ranks and coaching at North Carolina.
Will play some of that for you as well, because
he did do the big ballroom. He didn't completely refuse
to do media. He even did the breakout sessions. But
I never saw Bill Belichick make it to radio row

(28:57):
and go through the proverbial car wash, sitting down with
maybe six shows or so to talk about the college
football campaign this forthcoming and of course Clemson in North
Carolina will face off. Here's Bill Belichick's opening statement during

(29:20):
his time with the media in the ballroom, and it
was a pack room, by the way. David Hale from
ESPN tweeted this out, and I think it was pretty
pretty telling. The entire room was slammed for Bill Belichick.
And I'm not sure you could have hit somebody with

(29:41):
a baseball if you'd have thrown it in the room blindfolded.
When Dave Dorian followed him up. I mean, that's the
difference in the excitement around Belichick and his tenure at
the collegiate ranks by comparison to many of the other coaches,

(30:02):
including the coach that coaches at his arch rival in
North Carolina State. Here's Belichick's opening statements from the Queen
City of Charlotte, North Carolina, yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
I appreciate everybody coming out today. Really exciting for me
to be here, you know, start with you know Chancellor Roberts,
you know, he's made such a huge difference and the
opportunity to come to North Carolina. Then very supportive. You know,
he's given us a great a great opportunity at a
school that's already a great school with a great brand. Obviously,
you know Bubba Cunningham, Steve Newmark, those guys have been great.

(30:37):
Our alumni, you know, Michael Lombardi and I have done
We're into the double figures on the donor events and
alumni events, things like that, And I'd say just a sportsman,
overwhelmingly tremendous, not only supportive, but engaged and you know,
very excited. You know, we want to match that excitement
and put that on the field. You know, Mike and
I have worked together for a long time, going all

(30:58):
the way back to the start of Cleveland, Mike in
a general manager role, myself in a coaching role, and
you know, we've had a lot of experience in dealing
with kind of what the college football landscape is now similar,
not the same, but similar in terms of you know,
nil revenue sharing, free agency, if you will, and you know,
recruiting post draft type recruiting as opposed to drafting. And so,
you know, Mike's done a great job of you know,

(31:20):
it's a reinforcing the roster. You know, we had a
number of players here that have been here that we're
you know, excited to work with. We have two of
them here, you know, Jordan and Will, but also brought
in a lot of players. We have seventy new players
from from last year so that weren't on the roster
last season.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
There you go, some comments from Bill Belichick, and let
me tell you I had to clean that up significantly.
Don't believe me. Let me play just a little bit
of it. This is some additional comments coming up next
without me taking out any of his arms. It was awful.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
You know, that's a lot of a lot of people
and a lot of turnover. It's also been that way
with our coaching staff, some of the players or some
of the staff members on the coaching end and on
the sport end, and scouting I've worked with in the past,
but there are a lot of new people there. So
when you combine all the scouting support uh and player
transition into the program, Uh, it's it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, you see, it is a lot. Uh uh uh
driving me insane. Anyway, here's Bill Belichick when he was
asking about his relationship with Dabo Sweeney.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
Yeah, we're all learned from Davo. That's very very nice
of him to say that, very complimentary.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
You know, Davo's been a friend for a long time.
You know, we've scouted his players, uh, from the NFL
down some of the players that are here today. You know,
I actually thought, well, you know, maybe we'll be drafting
one of these guys. Uh, and now here we are
going to be playing against him. So, but Dabo has
been great. I have so much respect for him. The
Clemson program, what he's done, the way he runs it,

(32:56):
and it's high quality. Kids are high quality. You know,
he came up to know, England got probably the top
player out of New England, you know, in the last
probably decade, you know, Christian Wilkins out of Springfield Southfield Academy.
And you know, I think that says a lot for
the for the program that he runs, and and you
know what he's done for not only college football, but

(33:17):
all the student athletes that he's coached there. Uh, they've
gone on to represent him and the school very well.
And you know, again I have a ton of respect
for for Devo and what he's done. A great you know,
great opportunity to spend some time with him at the
ACC coaches meetings and and you know, it's always been

(33:38):
a really enjoyable guy to be around. I don't know
if that'll be true on Saturday afternoon, probably not, but
at least in these meetings it is.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So at least a little humor there from Bill Belichick
as he gets ready to start his tenure at North Carolina.
And I'll be interested to see where the Tar Heels
are picked in the ACC pecking order with Belichick taking
over again. Aight oh three four five O zero zero

(34:06):
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(34:28):
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(34:49):
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on a final segment of Hour one, I should say
on a Friday afternoon up at the ACC kickoff. Over
the past couple of days a way a chance to
sit down with a number of different players. Yesterday you
had a chance to hear from Duke offensive lineman Brian

(35:10):
clark Well, the guy that he's going to be blocking
for and hoping to protect a transfer from Tulane, Darien
Mensa sat down with us and boy, what a unique
story that turned out to be transferring from Tulane to Duke.
You'll find out why during this interview. Joining us now
on the show that shakesa south Land from the acc
kickoff and uptown Charlotte quarterback of the Duke Blue Devils,

(35:33):
Dary Mensa, Daary, Welcome in, man. How are you?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm good?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
How are you from San Luis Obispo. I have been there, man,
that is a beautiful place. I've been there several times.
You know. How'd you end up originally at Tulane from
all the way across the country. Yeah, San Luis is beautiful.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
I'm glad that you know that. I feel like anybody
who knows San Luis Obispo, I got like a special
connection with him because nobody knows where it's at. You know,
I really tell people from from Santa Barbara.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
But yeah, I've been thre a little there's a little
grocery store, you know it's yeah, yeah, that might have
been actually a trader Joe's. Yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
I originally wasn't highly recruiter out of high school, only
had three offers out of high school, and coach Fritz.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I think it was his West Fritz.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
His son found me on Twitter. Oh wow, I think
it was Twitter, and then his dad, coach Willie, shout
out to him. He offered me, and so that was
my first offer, and then I had another offer myde
host State in Lyndon would but those just those three.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
So you end up at Tulane and now you'll end
up facing Tulane in Game three as the quarterback of
the Duke Blue Devils. So when you're making the decision
to transfer, when did you did you already know you know,
based off of being at Tulane that you guys were
gonna be playing Duke the next year, or what's it
when you got to Duke that you realized, Holy smokes,
I played played my old guys this season.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
Yeah, it was something that like I saw, I think,
but I was kind of just shrugged off, like because
I wasn't one hundred percent sure I was going to Duke.
And then when I committed, everyone's like, oh, you know,
you play them next year, and I was hike, I
don't realize that, Yeah I do, but yeah, that'll be
an exciting matchup. I think they got a talented squad
this year, and I wouldn't be half the player I
am without that coaching staff over there, so very grateful

(37:11):
over them.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well, I was talking with Brian Parker offensive Lineman earlier
about just you know this, the I think what's so
impressive about what coach Diaz has done, and he's sitting
right there behind you, is the fact that in an
era where so many players can transfer and move and
take advantage of the portal of the way you did.
They had a coaching change a couple of years ago
with Mike Elcho leaving to go to Texas A and M,
and yet it feels like that program at Duke is

(37:34):
still moving forward and that's not always the case in
this world because so many players might leave as a
guy that's transferring in. What do you think it is
about maybe the culture under coach Diaz that has allowed
them to continue to be successful even with a change
in leadership, even though you weren't a part of that
previous you know, coaching staff.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
Yeah, I think it's just a testament to you know,
the coaching staff. I feel like they've done a great
job this year and they're very tight knit group and
then they really care about their guys but also I
feel like our culture starts in the weight room with
coach Pheeley, and I feel like that's that's what keeps
us so tight knit and together. And so when you

(38:15):
have something like that, you know, when we face adversity,
I feel like, you know, we've already gone through it
because our strength coaches has done a great job. So
I feel like that's, you know, definitely a huge reason
as to why we've retained so many players.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Again, Darien Mints, a quarterback for the Duke Blue Devils,
hanging out with us year at the ACC kickoff. So
I believe it's the second week of the season, you
guys will face out of the Big ten Illinois to
fighting a Lione. I just give me some of your
thoughts on the importance for this league for the Duke
Blue Devils. Anytime you step out of conference and play
a big game like that.

Speaker 7 (38:45):
Definitely high stakes right there. I feel like they're a
great team. That'll be an exciting matchup for sure. I
like they got a great quarterback. I met him at
a Manning passing great dude, great leader, and so I'm
excited to you know, be in front of the fans
and then play a big time matchup.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Now, as for your game, what do you think made
you stand out to coach Diaz and the Duke Blue
Devil staff And ultimately, you know, how do you fit
into a new ball club where maybe when you make
that first decision you kind of looked at it and said,
this is where you know I want to go to school.
Did you've built your resume up to the point where

(39:19):
other people are like saying, hey man, this guy would
really be good in our system. So how do you
kind of pull that all together as a quarterback taking
that next step at Duke?

Speaker 7 (39:29):
I feel like some of my my traits that you
know were sought after in the portal were just being
able to go through my progressions. I feel like, you know,
there's not a lot of people that can do it
as well as I can. And my accuracy and an
ability to make off schedule plays when needed with something
that you know a lot of teams needed this year,
I feel like, especially Duke, and so I feel like

(39:51):
I've been doing that since high school, and you know,
I just was from a small area where not a
lot of coaches could see it, and so it wasn't about,
you know, anything else, but that just being underrecruited.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Now when you think about the ability for kids to transfer,
and obviously that's something that's so new to the game.
I mean, guys would you might have a guy that
would be at like one school and then another. But
I mean there's countless guys around the country now that
it's like four schools. They get to the NFL and
they put that blip up. You've seen it, right, and
that's a I mean, is there a point where you

(40:23):
go there's too much free flowing movement of players or
are you okay with guys that just go, you know,
for schools during a four year period. Yeah, because you're
a Duke. It's a higher education institution. I mean it's important.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
No, Yeah, your journey's your journey. I'm not going to
be like and tell people, now, you guys shouldn't transfer
anything like that. If you feel like you need to
do that, then do what you need to do. For
me personally, it was just about I feel like I
needed to take a step of growth and I feel
like Duke was a perfect spot offensively and I feel
like I take a big step in my game, you know,
going from an offense. But it was more run heavy
at TU Lane and now we're more I feel like

(40:59):
passay this year. So again, just excited to go out
and play with my guys this year.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
But you do play the team that I cover a
little later in the season, the Clips of Tigers, and
I know it's weak to week you're focused on Elon.
I get it, I understand all that, but I mean
when you look at this Clympson Tiger team from Afar
and you've got to see him while you're at too
Lane as well, I mean, pretty similar group to what
they'll have this year. I mean, what are your thoughts
on Clempson coming into the twenty twenty five season, extremely talented.

Speaker 7 (41:25):
Got the chance to see cleb Nick and I think
he's as advertised at manning passing. He's a stud. But
I feel like that's a lot of teams that we
play this year. He might not be as talented, but we're,
like I said, we're building the weight room and we're
gonna we're gonna we're some dogs and so we're not
we might not be as talented, but we're gonna fight,
you know, each and every snap, and I feel like.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
That's all we gotta do.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
That's all we got that's the If there's goals to
achieve in every game, I feel like just giving a
hundred percent effort and each and every snap that'll that'll
take us where we need to go.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Best of luck to you guys man, and can't wait
to follow your story at dude, Thank you so much,
appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
That's Darien Mensah. All right, quick bright, we'll come back.
Mike Modeham joins the program to talk about Hulk Hogan's
legacy in pro wrestling, especially when I was a kid.
Stay with us.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
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Speaker 2 (42:55):
It is our number two. That's drive time right here
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to join the program. We're gonna talk about the passing
of Hulk Hogan coming up in just a minute. Big
wrestling fan here on the program for sure. And Hogan

(43:16):
certainly shaped a lot of well a lot of our
listeners early life, in in in sports and you know,
things of that nature. So we'll talk with Mike Mooneyham
about that coming up in just a minute and the
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Mike Mooneyham, Mike, Welcome in, my man. How are you
uh doing?

Speaker 8 (43:50):
Okay, pretty tough day with the news of Hulks passing,
but you know that's life in the fast line.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, I think you know. I was saying before you
got on, like, I'm forty eight, right, and my generation
was what I would probably call in you. I don't
know you would deem us, but we're kind of the
rock and wrestling generation. When there was a cartoon with
Hulk Hogan, he was really on his meteoric rise with
Hull Comania, but there was a whole career before that.

(44:19):
But just as an expert on wrestling, I mean, where
do you sort of rank that run for him especially,
I would say amongst.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
Kids, unparalleled. There was nobody like hul Cogan who basically,
along with n McMahon, transferred the entire world of professional
wrestling into something we know now as sports entertainment. I mean,
who was bigger than Hogan and bridging that gap. WWE
is more than just a wrestling brand. It's a sports

(44:49):
brand actually, because Hogan was able to bridge the worlds
of professional wrestling sports entertainment and nobody else had done that.
I mean, everyone knew hul Kogan by nineteen ninety four,
ninety five, I'm sorry, eighty four and eighty five, everyone
knew who hul Cogan was. You had action figures, you
had lunchboxes, you know, every kid in the world. I mean,

(45:12):
Hulk Hogan was a household name and no one in
the professional wrestling had ever been able to do that.
So he was like it was like once in a
lifetime and just meant so much to fans all over
the world. And you know, it's just that he died,

(45:34):
you know, kind of like, is Hulk Hogan really gone?
The invincible Hulk Hogan? Can that be true? And sadly, sadly,
Hulk at the age of seventy one, it's no longer
with us.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
He's on Twitter at by Mike Muoniham. Of course, he
covered pro wrestling for The Posting Courier and much more
for many years. And so you obviously have a relationship
with these guys that a lot of people don't. Whether
that's and I'm sure kind of like with me talking
to football coaches and things, there's always a bit of
a buffer between the two. But how well would you

(46:06):
say that you knew hul Cogan and how often you know,
maybe in his prime, did you get a chance to
catch up with him?

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Well?

Speaker 8 (46:14):
Pretty well, you know, I mean when when Hogan hit seen,
he was he was a man. And of course he
had a career before that and actually its main event
status with burne Gannat in the AWA before he became
the incredible hul Cogan. But you know, first few years

(46:35):
he was a journeyman. He wrestled under a couple of
different names, Sterling, Golden and that big guy you know,
with impressive physical attributes. I wouldn't say a great worker
by any stretch. But what Vince McMahon helped him become
in nineteen eighty four when he blew the Rufolph Madison

(46:58):
Square Garden and defeated there and Sheep for the World
Wrestling Federation title, I mean, a star was born. And
I would even put that in terms of a Michael
Jordan in the NBA, A Mike Tyson and boxing. That's
how much he impacted sports entertainment. And you know that's
a that's a that's a real lofty crowd there, But

(47:19):
it's really it's not an exaggeration. I think it was
Sports Illustrated that said earlier that Hulk Covin is to
pro wrestling what Bay Bruth was to baseball. He pushed
the industry to new levels and created the multi billion
dollar business it is today. Without the hope, that just

(47:41):
doesn't happen. I mean, he was in the right place
at the right time, and you know, lightning struck and
that's very rare in the world today.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Mike Rocky three was maybe a big part of his
journey to where he would end up. How did that
come about where he played Thunderlips in that movie.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
Well, several guys had been cast for that role, but
when they saw when they saw clips of Hulk, they said,
you know, this guy's enormous. He had to look he
could act, and you know, he was a natural for
the role of Thunderlips. And Stallone said, you know, it
was one of his great experiences as being next to

(48:21):
Hulk Hogan, and Hulk was great, helped mailed that role,
and uh, you know, it's just it's just one of
those things. Hogan. Hogan was lucky in terms of being
in the right place at the right time for a
lot of things. Uh. And I don't think people of

(48:41):
this generation, maybe the last if you're if you're a
fan in the last ten or fifteen years, you just
don't realize what an impact fulk Hogan made. You know,
the rock and Roll connection. Uh, WrestleMania one where a
team with Mister T against Roddy Piper and Cowboy Bob Orton, right,
I mean that was dynah, that was that was absolute dynamite.

(49:02):
And here you had Muhammad Ali as a referee. You
had Libarachi out there, I think his guest timekeeper. You
had Billy Martin, you had all these guys in the
entertainment world converging on Madison Square Garden. It was that
one show ignited what we have today. Who would ever

(49:24):
thought we'd have ESPN collaborating with ww on different projects. Uh,
you know, every it made it. It really skyrocketed the
professional wrestling into a whole different realm. You know, I'm
an old school guy. I'm a territory guy. I started
back in the sixties, so we'll go way back, right,

(49:46):
But uh, fans of my age and even younger had
never seen anything like that. I mean, it was it
was pro wrestling on steroids, and it was it really
was not strictly pro wrestling more it was sports entertainment,
and that that one show, WrestleMania one, was really the
catalyst for the business being termed as sports entertainment and

(50:11):
just not professional wrestling because it encomes to stiff many
different levels. It reached the stratosphere. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Mike Muoniyham with us here on the program talking about
the Immortal Hulk Hogan in his passing. One of the
things that I think is interesting too from a kid
that grew up not really being old enough to remember
that or even know that Andre and Hulk Hogan had
actually wrestled prior to WrestleMania three, but people that were
writing like Bill Apter for pro Wrestling, you know, illustrated

(50:42):
in all the magazines, and guys like you, I mean,
what was there almost like would you have been willing
that year when WrestleMania Three's happened happening to say, hey,
these guys have actually fought before, even though Vince McMahon
was putting it on as if this was the first
time these two had ever faced off in the ring.
I mean, did the did the writers in some respects

(51:04):
Mike protect the business a little bit to enhance the
storylines as well?

Speaker 8 (51:09):
Well, you know, I got I admit I was. I
was a little cafe at that time. But uh now
I had such experience in the business. Like I said,
I started watching and covering wrestling back in the sixties.
And I know I'm dating myself, but to me, yeah,
I did. You know, I did devulge some of that stuff.

(51:32):
I mean I figured, you know, a lot of people
who had covered wrestling for any length of time knew
about uh Andre the Giant and Hulkogan wrestling each other.
In fact, when Vince McMahon's senior, Vince's dad brought in
brought in Hulk, he was a bad guy, you know,
a big guy, six seven, three hundred pounds. Uh he

(51:56):
made him into a villain. Freddie Blassie managed him for
a while and he actually wrestled Andre. Andre was the
good guy, of course, and Hunk was a bad guy.
And you know, Hulk did a good job as a villain,
but Vince's son, mister McMahon's son, Vince would find him

(52:16):
as something of a successor to a guy like Superstar
Billy Graham. And and that's actually what he was. You know,
if it happened, if Superstar Billy Graham had come around
a few years later, he might have been what Hulk
Hogan became, you know, the star of the show and

(52:37):
larger than life character, as Billy always was.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's interesting you bring that up because I actually saw
something the other day that was talking about that exact
same thing, and they were going through all of the
all of the things that Hulk Hogan had basically for
lack of a bear term stolen from Billy Graham from
talking about the pythons and saying brother and and all
of that stuff. But you know, for a kid like

(53:01):
me back then I was ten years old, I mean,
it didn't get better at that point in my life
than the opportunities which were few and far between in
this area because of the territories, getting a chance to
maybe go to Augusta and see Hulk Hogan, because of
course we were inundated with with w CWN NWA and

(53:22):
Crockett Promotions with Brick Flair. But man, those two guys,
I mean they were unbelievable back then.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
Yeah, yeah, it was. They kind of led the way
for wrestling. And you're right talking about Hulk imitating some guys.
I was talking to a friend of mine last night,
Austin Idol, who was right in many ways, you know,
kind of like had that Hulk Cogan deal, and Hogan
readily admitted stealing much of his you know style of

(53:51):
promos as flamboroynantcy to Austin Idol and Halt took the
best guys like Austin Idol superstar Billy Crafted, crafted them
into this remarkable character called Hulk Hogan and created the
movement known as Hulkamania. And that was that was the biggest,

(54:13):
the biggest deal in wrestling history really had to be.
I mean, I can't you know, you go back one
hundred years and nobody revolutionized and transformed the wrestling business
like hul Cogan did. And they'll they'll be there. There
have been a lot of people imitating him, but there's
only there's never going to be another Hulk Hogan. Hulkamania

(54:35):
is going to live forever. Terry Belea, the man may
have died, but Hull Camania never will.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Mike Mudiyham with us here on the program. Here's the
other thing too, that Hulk Cogan managed to do, and
I think it is incredibly significant just in his ability
as not so much as you say, like in the Ring,
but in terms of a storyteller. When he comes back
as you know, Hollywood, Hulk Hogan. This is when I'm

(55:04):
in college and now we're all glued to the television
for those Monday Night Wars and what Hogan became as
a bad guy. I mean, it's incredible, it is.

Speaker 8 (55:14):
Who would have thought Hogan would have turned heel. I
don't think anybody would have ever predicted that because he
was just too much. You know. You can compare that
to Scena now turning heel, who with Hulk it was
even bigger. That was magic the night that he turned
bad guy. I mean, I haven't seen a reaction like
that in many years, with people throwing objects into the rain.

(55:38):
You know, that was real heat and only Hulk Hogan
could have created that kind of magic that night and
New World Order nWo, they were on fire. I mean
that was I've never seen pro wrestling in a hotter
period than the Monday night wars. But things like that
made it so important to watch every single Monday night.

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I mean kids in college they through parties. It was
you know, it was water cooler talked the next morning.
It was a great period in wrestling.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
It was unbelievable. And then I think too, like I
get it, when you're Hulk Hogan or Vince McMahon or
anybody that's running these businesses, you have storylines and things
that hit and miss. And one of those things with
Hulk Hogan that always sticks in my brain as a
miss by the WWE. And you might disagree, Mike, and
feel free to tell me, but it was WrestleMania eighteen

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when the crowd turned on the Rock and everybody got
behind Hogan. I really thought Hogan should have won that match,
because even if the script said do it the other way,
I just felt in that moment the Hulk of Maniacs
were back in his corner against a guy in the
Rock who many of us who grew up following Hogan
had gravitated to because of his bravado and everything that

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he brought to the table. That was similar in some
respects to the guy that we watched so many years ago.
I thought they missed the boat with that finish.

Speaker 8 (57:02):
I thought they did, but I thought that was maybe
one of my favorite Hulk komen El Hogan moments. I've
never seen a crowd like that. I mean, who else
but Hogan could have turned the crownd in his favor.
The Rock of all people that was at the Toronto SkyDome.

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That was absolutely amazing and there was so much history
there because the Rock as a twelve year old kid,
it caught, you know, Hogan's dow rag when he threw
it out of the rain and then and then later
returning it to Hogan, and Hogan was so impressed. He said, look,

(57:45):
this is my favorite bandana, and I'll give you another one.
And I mean, he was so so thankful to the
lot for returning.

Speaker 7 (57:54):
That, you know.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
And then like seventeen or eighteen years later, you know,
Rock was twelve at the time. Was seventeen or eighteen
years later, He's meeting his idol, right, He's meeting the
great incredible Hulk Hogan. And he said that was one
of the biggest moments of his life. And he admired

(58:19):
Hogan so much. He said, and I think he tweeted
out earlier, thank you for the house, meaning that everywhere
Hulk went in his prime, it was sellouts, you know,
big money. Everybody got huge payoffs. But that's what Rock said,
thank you for the house, because a lot of people

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thanked him for the house. Without Hogan, a lot of
these guys would never make it to the heights that
they did in the wrestling business. So Hogan, Hogan said,
he's a magical figure. He's a mythical figure. And like
I said, Terry Belaya might have died yesterday, but Hulk Hogan,
now it'll never die.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Mike Moodyhan all right, Mike, final thing just about Holt
because I think it is important. I mean, he you know,
he was not that character his whole life. I mean,
he was Terry bole as you said, give us just
a little bit about who he was as a person,
kind of behind the scenes. I know there's some controversies
that have certainly surrounded him late in his life, but

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when you were with him, what was he like?

Speaker 8 (59:23):
He was a good guy, very nice, very cordial, always
willing to talk to fans, sign autographs. I mean, that
was his gig. That's what he did. I think, I
think a lot of people are gonna, you know, be critical.
We have a lot of haters today he should probably know,
and they're going to bring up some of his indiscretions
during his life, and Hogan had readily admitted to all

(59:43):
of them and apologized and was definitely remorseful. But I mean,
there were some bumps in the road. You know, you
had the he had the steroids scandal and the nineties,
which was really big and you know how sort of
didn't quite tell the true truth about taking steroids, which
most people knew he did anyway. Then you had the

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racial slur, the infamous sex tape back in two thousand
and seven, a lot of bad headlines. Uh, and uh,
you know, there were some things that he just caused
a lot of controversy. WW actually had removed him from
the Hall of Fame at one point, but fortunately put
him back in. So I think, you know, later in

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his life he was sort of mired in controversy, but
like I said, he always offered apologies for all of
his missteps, and in the end he became he was
back in the good graces of w W and the
wrestling world in general. I got a little flack when
he came out in supported President Trump last year during

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the during his campaign and the Republican nomination the Republican
Natural Convention in Milwaukee. So, you know, I think to
me it was kind of sad when he came out
and what would have been his last live w W
appearance in January for Raw's premiere on Netflix. He got

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booed pretty roundly by the folks in Los Angeles, and
I think I think that hurt him a little bit.
You know, like I say, you you can never you
can never take away the impact he had on people
in general wrestling fans and and sports entertainment world. You know,
he was he was like that one guy who made

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it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Follow him on Twitter at buy Mike Moneyham. Mike always
great catching up with you and I appreciate you sharing
some insight into Hulk Cogan.

Speaker 8 (01:01:39):
Sure, and I want you to train hard, take your
vitamins and say prayers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Brother, I'm gonna go drink some. I'm gonna go drink some.
Uh just some raw eggs, Yep, raw eggs.

Speaker 8 (01:01:50):
That'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Mike Mooneyham sharing about Hulk Hogan and his impact on
wrestling and uh for guys like me, Man, there were
ten years old when hul Camania was going on Holy Cow.
It didn't get it really didn't get much bigger than
that for a ten year old Swannye stay with us.
Back at it on a Friday afternoon, we jump into
our interview with TJ Parker right here on the show

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that Shakes the south Land. TJ, welcome in in Man.
How's the experience been so far this morning?

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Thank you for having me?

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
Man, It's been great, you know, just being able to
talk ball and just experience everything. Being my first time here,
it's just exciting and I'm just blessed to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Really.

Speaker 8 (01:02:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I talked with Peter and I had Kate on earlier
and Kate said I gave him some tips about the
day and how long it is and kind of the grind.
He said. Did he tell you all to pack some snacks?

Speaker 8 (01:02:37):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
I should have cause I am hungry.

Speaker 9 (01:02:40):
I haven't ate absolutely nothing, you know, I'm not really
a big breakfast. Actually, I ate some yogurt. It's okay
like that, you know, chow Bonnie. You guys ate last
night though steak forty eight. Man, I got the manager's number.
That's all you can say. I'll be back soon. You
know what I'm saying. I gotta take the family. Oh man,
it was unbelievable. Yeah, some people there. You know, I

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met Greg Olsen. My dad is a big Panthers fan,
so best believe I know the entire rosters of that
that twenty fifteen team, twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
It was just amazing just me and to see them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
So it's so funny because years ago, you know, I've
been covering college football for twenty years, they would have said,
you can't buy TJ. Parker a steak. Now, I can't
afford the stakes that TJ. Parkers buying.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
Man, it's a blessing, I tell you that. It's a
major blessing, just be able to even afford a steak
like that because I had had a waggle because it
was a A five, but it was a Tomahawk. It
was beautiful, man, it tasted so good, but it was
it was pretty pricey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, TJ. Parker, wells, all right, we'll talk about important
stuff the college football season, leadership, right like at this
point in your career and listen, I don't I've covered
enough played sports enough to know that just because you're
a young guy early on in your career you can't
be a leader. But then once you ascend to be
in a junior it's almost like, regardless of how you

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handle things as a software freshman, it's really time to
step up. Do you feel I don't want to call
it pressure, but do you feel a little added urgency
in leadership or anything of that nature with it being
your junior year.

Speaker 9 (01:04:14):
To be honest with you, I really felt that going
into my sophomore year. Just being the guy early on,
it kind of puts you in a place where everybody
in the room is looking at you, because in reality,
most of the guys, most of your leaders, are your
guys that produce the most on Saturdays and Sundays wherever.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:04:28):
So at first it was an adjustment for me because
I was always in the lead by example type of guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I would say stuff here and there.

Speaker 9 (01:04:34):
But just now being more comfortable speaking not only towards
the D line, I go have a conversation with the
O line, tight ends, receivers, quarterbacks, running backs, no matter
who it is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
When I speak people, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (01:04:46):
The team, they look at me and they understand that
I'm not coming from a bad place. I'm coming to
help them out and help the betterment of the team.
So just being more vocal really this year and speaking
amongst the whole team has just been a blessing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So yeah, and how about that transition with Chris Rumph.
I mean, and again he's been there for a year now,
but what's that like, he's he's a veteran at the game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Shaker man. I can say a lot about coach rut
I love him to death.

Speaker 9 (01:05:13):
Like he's like he's really like that that uncle that
really like that, you know what I'm saying, nurtures and
try to teach you life. And he's probably the best
thing to happen to me when I came to Clemson
when it comes to the football side. He's helped me grow,
whether it's in a classroom or on the field, just
getting me better, always keeping me going, you know what
I'm saying, Because me, I love to get better a

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lot of work and he's always there right there telling
me what I need to do, how I need to
do it, and go about it. And he's just been
nothing but a blessing. He's helped me become a better man,
whether it's on the field or off the field, like
I said, and it's just been amazing. I remember my
first practice with him was absolutely crazy. It was for
the Bowl game and it just changed my life. Without him,

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I probably wouldn't be the player I am right now.
And we still got a lot to finish, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
TJ Parker with us here on the program. The other
thing I asked Peter was about maybe some names for
our listeners that you've seen put in the work in
the offseason, whether it's a weight room, maybe you guys
are getting together and doing some stuff that you would say, Hey,
this might not be a name that you guys are
talking about, but you're gonna be talking about them when
they get some opportunities this year. Do you have a

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couple of guys you'll give us on that defensive line?
Stephanlin Green is the big one. He's been putting in
a lot of work this offseason and I can't wait
to see him play. He has all the talent in
the world to be the guy, and he's committed to
it this offseason, and you could tell he has a
different demeanor by them more confident to play in the defense.
And I'm just super excited to see him Ball will

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help just got here as well, transferred from Purdue.

Speaker 9 (01:06:46):
Man, I'm super excited about him. He's probably one of
the most hardest working players I've ever seen in my life.
Been a part of He pushes me to get better
and I push him as well. Yeah, and just our
relationship has been great. Man, I'm just super excited to
see him ball on the other side of me. And
obviously guys like Champ Thompson, who's gotten healthy you'll see
a little bit of this year, and in Vic Burley

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as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
So yeah, I think, you know, when when guys come
in with high accolades like you did, sometimes there's an
opportunity because maybe there's not somebody that's necessarily kind of
a roadblock in front of them. Some of these younger
guys now though, have guys like you, have guys like
Peter Woods that are sort of in the way on
that depth chart, and I think it's, you know, important

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that they obviously keep that grind going. Now from that standpoint,
you got a new defensive coordinator as well, Tom Allen,
and it's been pretty well documented how fire he is.
And for the guys that were around Brent Vinnables, a
lot of them to say, hey, he's kind of reminds
me a little bit of coach Venables. What's been the
experience with him so far? And do you see yourself

(01:07:50):
being able to play like Abdul Carter and some of
those guys at Penn State did for a year in
his system?

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
Man, I absolutely love him. The passion he has to
this defense is amazing. Like if you looked at how
we played last season compared to how we play in
the spring, it's completely different. Our mindset is different, the
accountability towards the defense is different, man, And I absolutely
love it. Like we're running, We're getting after it all
day and it's gonna be overwhelming for anybody. And that's

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just comes with simplifying the playbook and just letting us
go play ball and be athletes and do what we do.
And I love it and I'm excited to play a
whole season with it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
So final couple of things with TJ. Parker from the
floor at the ACC kickoff uptown Charlotte. Expectations are through
the roof. A lot of noise around this program, more
than I've heard in a long long time. How if
you handled all of that from the outside.

Speaker 9 (01:08:41):
I could care less about it because I mean, the
same people that's praising is now the same people that
I was talking mess about us back then, you know,
be saying people that's on Twitter saying I suck or
or we suck as a program. We need to go
get this guy, this guy, that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
It's the same people. For me, I see all the
hype and stuff like that.

Speaker 9 (01:08:58):
I'm the type of person I'm not say nothing until
we actually go do it, because if you talk before
it happens and it don't happen, now you look like
a fool. So it's like I don't want to lock
a fool. So for me, in order for me to
talk about all the hype and stuff like that, I
gotta go do it first.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
And the big home opener lsu excitement through the roof.

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
For that one, I would imagine, Oh, absolutely, it's our
first home game.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
It's my first opener at home.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Ye hadn't had an opener at home since twenty nineteen,
I think, which.

Speaker 9 (01:09:24):
Is crazy, you know what I'm saying. I'm just super excited.
And it's a night game too, so it's like the
first game of the season. Everybody's gonna be itching to
go to a football game, So you know, it's gonna
be packed out, it's gonna be loud, energy's gonna be high.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I can't wait.

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
Like as a football player, you know, being in an
environment like that, it's like it's surreal. So I'm super
excited to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
So keep a lot. Peter Woods is coming up next.
Stay with us, Lawton swam with you again a Friday afternoon.
We've been up in Charlotte all week. Tons of audio,
but Peter Woods joined us on the floor at the
Hilton and Uptown Charlotte. We'll step into that interview now.
Peter Man, how are you, man?

Speaker 10 (01:09:55):
I'm good. I'm blessed to be here. Man, this surreal moment.
It's something that I get to check off my bucket list.
Kate said, he gave you some tips. What were the
What were the tips? This is his third go around.
He did tell me that it is going to be
a super long day, so just go ahead and just
go ahead and prepare yourself for that. He also told me,
you know, just be true to who you are, stay
true to yourself, and just you know, continue to represent

(01:10:17):
comes of football well and everything will be everything will
be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
So that's that's how I'm moving.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Now, obviously, Kate Klubn get the position of quarterback, a
spot that Clympson has been highlighted for many, many years.
But that defensive line as well has been a big deal.
And you guys obviously have TJ here along with you.
But maybe talk to our listeners about some names that
they may not know as well that you've seen put
in the work in the offseason on that defensive line

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that you think, hey, this guy can have a real
impact when they get some opportunity.

Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
I mean a couple obvious names that you didn't didn't
say demonte K part is a freaking beast. He's ready,
he's primed up and to have his his best and
final season this year. And I'm super excited for him,
just the way that he's put in the work and
changed his body just to be able to just fit,
you know, the scheme that we're going to get ready
to play this year. And I'd say the same thing

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for real help coming in and automatically being one of
the leaders on our team and just kind of just
helping push and bring along some of the younger guys.
In that room that you know, in previous years probably
haven't had the opportunity to get on the field that
like the Jaheen Lasson's like he's ready, he's ready to go.
Marie Adams a young guy that he'll be ready to
play for us. And Stefiland Green a guy that's kind

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of been like lingering in the shadows these past years,
but like this this year, this is his time to sean.
He's put in the work, he looks great, and I'm
just super excited about the depth and stuff that we
have coming back this year, and it just makes me
super excited to get ready to play with these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Peter Woods with this year on the program, so Peter,
obviously the expectations for this team through the roof, maybe
even by comparison to a year ago. Hey, and I
know you guys are reading what people are right and
what they're saying, projections of NFL, so on and so forth.
But how do you as a young man internalized that
and continue to keep that fire burning.

Speaker 10 (01:12:05):
My fire just comes from doing the work, you know,
That's my favorite part of the game. I love doing
the work. I always say, you know, you only get
to play at MAC sixteen games during the year, and
so you just got to fall in love with that
other three hundred and forty nine days or you ain't
gonna make it very far. Because that's that's what makes
me the player that I am. That's what makes any
great player if you ask them, the player that they are.
And so just falling in love with with the process

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and doing the work. You know, the hype is great,
but if you if you can't do that, then it's
not gonna pan out for you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
You were a five star coming out of high school,
sought after by everybody in the country, out of the
state of Alabama, and you end up at Clemson and
it's a transfer portal era. Man, you could have left
after year one, year two, you could do. What was
it that made you say this is my place, this
is why where I want to stay. Yeah, I just
I found family here, you know, people that I could
trust rely on. You know, guys like Cade and TJ

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and Antonio, you know them being first year starters, my
friend ushman Or and me and TJ coming in together
and just you know, we just we're on our third
year together and you know it's time. It's time for
the boys to run it back the right way this time.
And that's just kind of what the talk has been.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
In the locker room.

Speaker 10 (01:13:10):
It's like, man, we're we've done this enough time together
to know how to put this thing together, and just
on top of that, just believing in Coach Sweeney and
his vision. And I made a decision, you know, yeah
when I was when I was a young senior in
high school to come here and to help coach Swenne
get into the national championship and put Clemson back on
the map.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
So I wouldn't do anything less.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
So for our listeners and maybe even recruits that are
out there listening to the show, would you say that
the message you received when you're back in high school
has translated to what the results have been in terms
of the experience.

Speaker 10 (01:13:44):
I mean, I'm still here. Like you said, it's a
it's a transfer portal area era. All types of money
and all types of things that are being thrown around
at all different players.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Everybody knows that it's going on.

Speaker 10 (01:13:53):
But I feel like it should speak volumes that such
high caliber players allegedly are are still here, you know,
still here, still ready to run it back and then
ready to go do this thing Peter Woods with us
here for a few more minutes. So new defensive coordinator
Tom Allen comes in. You've had a few six months
or so with him there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
How has that experience been and how excited are you to,
you know, get out there And again that's this is
nothing about what coach Giblin, right, This is just about
your thoughts on getting out there under Tom Allen. I
mean it's been great.

Speaker 10 (01:14:23):
You know Coach Allen, he just brings crazy energy into
the room, just makes you want to run through a
wall for him. Whatever he says, it's like, let's go,
let's do it and to the best of our ability.
And I think that's something that you know you need
as a defense. You know, you want that, you want
that edge, you want that chip on your shoulder kind
of when you're playing defensive football. It's like, let's go
strike somebody in their mouth, like that's that's who we are,

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that's what we're about, especially, and I think coach Allen
emphasizes that day in and day out, just the grittiness
that it takes to play this game on the defensive
side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
And I mean we got the players to match it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
So excited about that Now, when people look at your game,
I think, you know, they think about your size and
the speed that you bring to the table, but really
a lot of your strengths when I watch you, I
think is your ability to play the game with your
hands and keep those offensive linemen for really being able
to get their hands on you. How much have you
worked on that? Was that something that you felt like

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you were really skilled at at the high school level
as well? And if not, as you've developed, who's really
helped you with that aspect of your game?

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:15:24):
I definitely think that it started early on in high school.
You know, I was very raw kind of coming into
high school. But thank God that I had a great coach,
deepentive line coach Woodrow Briggs in high school that really
helped me to be able to just learn learn the
game on a deeper level, you know, And I felt
like everything that I learned when I came to college

(01:15:44):
was making more sense, you know, getting on the coach Easton,
it was just things making more sense because of the
great coach and now I had in high school. And
so it's just kind of like refining my toolbox that
I kind of really already had, and you know, coach
Coach Briggs and coach Easton, and you know, coach Allen
and all the coaches I've had have done a great
job just kind of pushing me to MAXI bonds.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
My potential final couple of questions with Peter Woods. Okay,
first one is kind of a fun one, and that
would be if we took Ian Shefflin out of this conversation, right,
who's the best basketball player in your mind on the
Clemson football team.

Speaker 10 (01:16:18):
The best basketball player on the Clemson football team minus Ian.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
If we're at fight and we got and I got
next game, and we're picking, and I got you first,
You're my first pick. Who we bring it in? Second?

Speaker 10 (01:16:30):
Who's gonna help us win? Give me Cole Turner? Really yeah,
Cole Turner is a hooper, He's a baller. I think
there's a couple of other names that could go there,
but I think Cole Turner would probably be consensus.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
If you have if you asked a couple guys.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Wow, Okay, So I think Cole Turner.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
He's a baller. He's a hooper. He moves, he gets
to the rack, he can choose, he can do all that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
So he was nice final thing, big opener against LSU,
just sort of as you get ready for that one
because it is the next one. I know, we can't
talk about anything else down the schedule. Your thoughts on
the opener in Death Valley, Man, I'm excited. Man, that's
Death Valley. That might be the most jumping death vallet
I've ever seen. And I'm excited. I know that Coach
Kelly's gonna have his guys ready. I know Coach Went

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is gonna have us ready. So talent about to meet talent.
I'm gonna see who put the work in quick break,
will put the ball on the show? After this, stay
with us?

Speaker 11 (01:17:21):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture, don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately? And what have
you done?

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Always are the same.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
We win final segment on a Friday Clemson Sports Talk Again.

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We got a lot to get to on the front
of Clemson at the a CC Media Days, Interviews from
the floor, A lot of that coming up in the
coming week, so make sure you keep it locked right here.
We've also got conversations, we'll certainly talk about some of
the potential updates to the world of college football in

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part cause of a executive order that's supposed to be
put in place by President Trump. I did see that
over the weekend. But I do want to begin this
final segment with an update on recruiting, as Clemson did
pick up another commit in the twenty twenty seven I

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know it doesn't seem possible to say that, but in
the twenty twenty seven class as defensive back PJ. Chancellor
out of Daniel High School up in Clemson committed to
the Tigers. He made that decision known earlier today. Chancellor
is the son of former Clemson defensive back Chris Chancellor.

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His father, Chris, is currently a member of the Clemson
Police Department. He played for the Tigers from two thousand
and six through two thousand and ten. Which, if you
want to talk about a weird moment for this program,
and I can't say it with certainty, but I started

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my first podcast in two thousand and five covering Clemson
football once a month at that point, It's could be
once a week at that point, which means and I
might could dig a little deeper and find a different scenario.
But I think this is the first time that I've
covered a player who's father I covered. At least it

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feels that way at this point. So Chancellor again, a
you know, one of those I'll say it because you
know this is what we do here. We're honest. It's
one of those Clemson kind of family offers. He's not
rated by two four seven or on three or anybody

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five foot ten hundred and sixty three pounds. I don't
know how impactful his opportunity will be, but he did
earn the offer during his opportunity camping at Clemson. So
I'm not sure how some Tiger fans will feel about it.
But Christian Chancellor PJ if you will, putting out a

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post on social media saying, all glory to God, I've
worked for this moment, my entire life dreams do come true.
I've shut down my recruitment and decided to commit to
Clemson University. New legacy will begin, all in and go Tigers. Now,
there's certainly going to be people out there, Tiger fans included,
that will say, why does Clemson continue this trend? And

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at this point, with the landscape of college football, being
what it is and every player being on scholarship and
running a program that is to a different standard than
maybe some others. It does not mean that you can't

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build your program and add pieces to your program that
aren't necessarily four star and five star guys. And so
here's what I'll say about it. You cannot take all
top tier talent. It's impossible. You have to have some

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other individuals that aren't at that same level as the
top flight guys, but guys that you feel very comfortable
with saying, hey, they'll work, they'll stay in the system,
they'll be a part of the program, they'll help our
program get better. And that's obviously what this this this

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is right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
At one point or at some point along the way,
does this ever come back to Bike Clemson in the
rear end because you've got a kid from Daniel on
your roster that only had offers from what like Delaware
and Howard or something like that. Maybe, But I don't

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tend to think that that's going to be the case
over the long haul, because I think if you truly
believe that recruiting rankings and depth charts and things like
that matter at this point, perhaps the only time this
young man gets on the field is laid in ball

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games at some point along the way. But that was
a similar situation for Dabo Sweeney's sons. And now with
more guys on the roster, everybody's not going to be
a four and five star player. That's just not what
it's gonna be. And you can still build a program
and do it in this fashion if you choose, and

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that's the way Dabo Sweeney's going to do it. All right,
we gotta get out of here again. Thank you for
being a part of the program. We'll come back on
Monday with a lot more from the ACC kickoff and
throughout the week next week on the show The Shakespeare
south Land. Until then, as always, I'll take care now
and goat Tigers.