The "Herky, Jerky" Edition

No. 2 Clemson baseball gears up for a huge series at No. 5 Florida State. Plus, we continue to discuss players who could transition from basketball to the gridiron. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(01:47):
in a Major League baseball game. Last night, our Los
Angeles Lakers eliminated all that much more is Clemson gears
up for a trip down to Tallahassee to take on
the Seminoles in college baseball. But first we jump into
our conversation from Monday in our number two of the
program with William Qualkinbush. All right, well, let's talk a

(02:08):
little bit about the Clubson baseball team this past week.
And I don't know if you struggled with it the
way I did. Dude, it is so hard to talk
about Thursday's game, Friday's game, and Saturday's game instead of
talking about Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Like I struggled with it
all hour one. Uh But anyway, we'll just talk about
as the weekend which didn't go well for the Tigers,
their first series loss in the ACC zero to three.

(02:31):
I mean, granted, around the country, you know, teams in
the top five loss so Clemson only drops one spot
in D one Baseball's rankings. But what was your takeaway
from what we saw in that in the weekend series
against the wolf Pack.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, you know the second thing you said there about
everybody else in the country. That is the storyline in
of itself, that it's hard to just win every week
and the reality is when you get up into the
top five, you're likely you've been winning a bunch and
you're probably do to take some losses. That's the way
the that's the way the game of baseball is. You know, my,
uh my red swept the Rockies over the weekend, and

(03:08):
that's great. The Braves are gone to Colorado and they're
not thinking they're gonna sweep the Rockies because that's not
how baseball is. Eventually, the Rockies are gonna win some games.
You know, Eventually, some of these other teams are gonna
win some games. And so that's Number one, is that
it's just really really hard to win series every single week.
Now onto the other part, which is the way Clenson played.

(03:31):
These were things that were not you know, sometimes people
get get really jacked up about winning and really down
about losing, and you know a lot of times it's
in the middle. You know, you did some losing things,
but you did enough winning things that's why you want.
Or you did some good things but you didn't do
the right things and so you you lose. And so
it's okay to point out some of the things that

(03:52):
you didn't do when you want or that you did
do when you lost my thing. Swany is simply this,
this lineup has not been consistently good in the past
few weeks, and they have been getting away with it
because of two factors. One is because the pictures that
they've been facing, because the one thing that this offense
does is they don't let you.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Get away with missing the striking zone. Ever.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
They're gonna take walks, they're gonna get hit by pitches,
they are gonna advance on wild pitches, they're gonna be
aggressive on the basis they're doing all that stuff to
make you pay when you're not in the strikes one.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
So that' number one.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Number two, uh is they were getting away with it
because the caliber of pitchers that they were facing were
not better than their own caliber of pitchers. And that's
really to the credit of Clemson's pitching staff that the
rotation went from, at least for the moment, from a
real weakness like who is gonna pitch instead of Cannads

(04:44):
to now what I would consider to be a strength
where you know, Drew Titsworth has been pitching much better
than what you were having on Saturdays, and then Bja
Bailey seems like a solution on Sundays. You know, is
this gonna be your rotation if you go to Ohlaha,
I don't know. Uh, it doesn't have to be though,
it just has to be next weekend at this point.
And so the starting pitching has been a lot better,
and so that allows the offense to get away with

(05:06):
some stuff. Bottom line, you can't just walk hit by pitch, air,
wild pitch, pass ball productive out your way to postseason
wins or wins on the road against really good teams.
Because guess what. NC State had about a million hits
and runs in score position. I think you had like
fifteen hits with runners in scoring position this weekend. They
had seven hits runns in scoring position.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
On Thursday.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Clinton was like one for twenty one with runers and
score position all weekend. And that's not the whole thing.
They were something like eleven for thirty one or something
like that, just advancing runners, just with opportunities to advance runners. Again,
that's one of the reasons that Clinton has been very
good is that they've been elite at moving on to

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first and second, taking the third, third to home with
fewer than two outs.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
They didn't do that this weekend.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
NC State was like thirty one to fifty one.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
They did it.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Now, NC State had a lot of balls and sort
of scooted through, and I don't cleanse his pitchers were
really victimized by some bad luck. And I'm sure they've
got some good luck in the past, so it all
works out. But some of the breaks at Clemson had
been getting you didn't get. They didn't get a lot
of bad at ball breaks or bounce to the ball
breaks or you know where the balls hit.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
It just NC State got all of those, and they
have not been.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Consistently swinging the bats well enough to stay in a
game like that, or stay in a series like that.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Bottom line right now.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
If the opposing pitchers are not walking batters or hitting
batters or you know, moving guys around the bases for you,
Cles is having a hard time.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Taking those opportunities.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I believe I'm right saying. Of the eight runs that
Clemson scored in this series, four were on solo home runs,
one was on a two run homer, one was on
an RBI single, and one was on an RBI ground out.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
That's that's it.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
I mean, that's that's all that it is, And to me, that's.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
The big off Isshue Swainning is there not scoring runs
when the opponent's not giving them runs, And I think
that's lesson they.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Could have been learning. But it's hard to fully learn that.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Lesson until you lose, and especially when you get swept
and you get slept in a way that gives your
opponent a chance to potentially win the league instead of you.
So I think all of that stuff makes us a
potential positive for Clemson because if they didn't learn that
lesson now and it didn't cost them now, that it
was likely going to cost them in June. And you'd
rather learn a lesson now than in a month when

(07:24):
the games matter.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Double.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, They'll head down to Florida State for a weekend
series this week, no MIDWEK game, so a chance to
kind of rest up, recuperate, and get ready for another
big series again. William Qualkin Bush is on Twitter at
qual Tug every day noon until three o'clock out of
Bounds with qualkin beIN on one O five to five
the Row in the Upstate. You can listen on the
tune in app as well. So from there, let's talk

(07:46):
a little banana ball before we get to Clemson in
the NFL Draft. Did you get a chance to go
see the Savannah Bananas And if you did, what was
your take on the experience.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I did get a chance to go see them, and
it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I said this today. You know they started at seven,
but they they started like rolling people out of there
at six o'clock, and you know, they like they you
met the male cheerleaders and the pet band and the
dancing grandma's and like all these groups of people come out,
and the umpires are on the payroll, like everybody.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Sort of in it.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And when you listen, I went to a Braves game
last week in the Bananas, I'd rather have gone to
the Braves game. That's just the best the way it is.
I'm more wired for traditional baseball.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
That's just kind of my thing.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Once you decide and once you find out that you're
actually at the circus, you're not actually at a baseball game,
you're just at a circus where there happens to be
a baseball game and sort of the centerpiece, then it's
a blast, Like it's so fun to be in a
crowd of that size and just sort of trying and
experience it for the first time. Was incredible watching the

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way that that kids respond to young people parents, even
like some you know, some older fans really got into it.
And it was I mean, it's a great showcase for Clinton.
Du Dabble leads him down the hill and ce J.
Spiller did a little TikTok dance to celebrate a home run.
It was, it was very very interesting. I was a
few rows up in left field, so a lot of
balls came close to us because of the short porch

(09:15):
out there. It was just a really good time and
like you really don't care how the game's going until
the very end when it's winning time, because.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
There's so much of this music constantly.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
You know, there was one half anywhere there were two
outs before I even knew the inning had started. That's
how little the game actually matters. It's more about the
other stuff and the entertainment aspect of things. And uh,
I mean they they really have tapped into something. I
think that's going to continue to grow and grow and grow,
because there's no way you can go and if you
if you go with an open mind, even a remotely
open mind, I don't know how you're not gonna have

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a good time.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, I think for a couple of reasons. You know,
the way they do the scoring moves the pace of
the game very quick, which is nice. I mean, if
the team doesn't score in the top half of the
other one hits a home run at the first swing, hey,
we're going to the top of the second. And then
I think the other thing too, that's really cool about
it is unlike the Harlem Globetrotters, the other team can win,

(10:09):
Like I know, the Senators and the Washington Generals didn't
win all that often, but the other teams, like the
Party Animals can win because they're actually playing baseball, like
not maybe as strategic as you would want it to be,
like you said at MLB Stadium, but it's not like
anybody's out there trying to lose or you know, when

(10:30):
they're doing the little weave at the Harlem Globetrotters and
the Generals are just chasing behind them and then giving
up an easy layup or a dunk or whatever. I mean,
none of that's happening. I mean, that's it's a it's
a real game, even if they're trying to do some
trick plays.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, that's that's exactly right, which I mean it'd be
hard to ring a baseball game anyway, okay, unless you
struck out, like and that's not fun just to watch
people strike.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Out all the time. Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
A real game. They're really competing and there's a high
level of competation. Look, one of the things I think
it's true about the Globetrotters is that it was it
gave basketball flair at a time when every level of
basketball is pretty stale and boring. And that's why the
Globetrotters I think had diminished a little bit, is because
if you're a flashing basketball player, now there's one for
you in the NBA, like you can play there. Back

(11:18):
when the Globetrotters were coming up, that it was like
pro basketball or what you know, became pro basketball because
the Glodtarter starting.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
In the late twenties.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
It wasn't for fun. It wasn't like entertainment, but it
was like you know, Chris Chess passes and you know fundamental,
you know, the mic and drill, you know, like what
all that kind of stuff. You know, It's like it's
very different. Baseball has flair, but not like this. And
I don't think Major League Baseball is ever gonna be
like this the way the NBA now is doing things

(11:50):
like players are doing things in NBA games that the
Globe Trotters, oh, Globetrotters can only dream of. But the
Globetrotters are responsible for pushing the envelope on that.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
So that's the That's another big difference I saw, because people.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Are like, well, you know, glob Trotters did this, and
nobody cares about them right now, this single flame out.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
First of all, the Globe Trotter has been around for
one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
It took them a long time to flame out. But secondly,
I mean, I like, I say, I don't I don't
see major League Baseball sort of adopting this style because
it's incredibly risky. I mean, they don't make every play,
so I mean, sometimes you try to make it behind
the back catch and you drop the ball. Uh, sometimes
you try to make a treat catch and you drop
the ball. Like it doesn't work all the time, but
it is incredibly entertaining, and it is It is like

(12:30):
on steroids too, Like every single thing you could possibly
think of in game promotions wise and everything else is
well branded and well implemented. They keep everybody engaged all
the time in the game. Kids, babies, parents, randoms. It's
just awesome to see how to see how Jesse Cole
and these these folks have really captivated.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
People in this way.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Let's bring catching foul balls to all levels of baseball, though,
because what I would love to see, like in the
game it was the next to last out of the
ball game, was caught by a fan. Ironically, I think
he caught it in this hat kind of a trick play.
But if you weren't Clemson, right and there's a pop,
a foul pop into the crowd, the instinct of that

(13:15):
moment is to catch it. But if you knew you
were gonna get Clemson out, the instinct has to be
to let it drop, so that you've got like fans
trying to prevent other fans from making the play. I
say we bring that rule across the board in baseball
just for the fun of it all.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
You know, I appreciate what you're saying there. I mean
it it would be like, especially.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Like a neutral side game or something. Boy, can you
imagine like trying to keep a fan from catching a
foul ball? I mean, like, that's that's nuts, man. I
I do like. I do like the the way the
rule kind of engages you. Like there was one time
where a fan dropped the ball, but another fan caught it,
and people were going nuts and they said, nope, it
has to be clean catching people booze like people were trying.

(13:56):
I mean, they're really trying to catch foul balls. And
that's again, that's that's part of a fan engagement of
the game.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
While I so successful, Oh that's awesome. All right, let's
shift gears for a few minutes and talk about the
Tigers that made their way into the NFL Draft. I
really like Barrett Carter landing with the Bengals. Obviously, that
team's a really good ball club already, he's a heavy
ball player. I really thought Cletson would get three guys taken.
I expected it to be Brenning Stool and not MafA.

(14:22):
But anyway back to the elector at hand, when we
talk about the landing spots of these guys, I really
think Barrett Carter ended up in the best position.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think two things about
Barrett Carter. One is he like that guy's a really.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Good football player.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
And you know this this is more broad than just
about the specific fit which you talk about now, by
the way, I agree with I agree without the fit.
I think it's a system where Barrett can where Barrett
can play, and he could potentially play pretty early. Here's
what I think you have to understand about Clinton. Clinton
made a defensive coordinator change for a couple of reasons. One,
I think there were toughness issues to stop in the run.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
And two, I think there.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Was misalignment, and I think that goes beyond just the
structural integrity.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Of the defense.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think there was a there was a sort of
a belief and I think it's well founded that maybe
players were misappropriated, that players were deployed in ways that
maybe did not accentuate their strengths.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
If you believe that.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Then you think that a team that's willing to play
Barreon Carter in situations where he will be more comfortable
and he will be better able to kind of play
to his strengths as a as an individual, then going
to the NFL, regardless of who it is, is like
a new lease on life for him.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
And you know, I'm not saying the.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Team should draft Clemson defenders for that reason, but I
do think that Barreon. Carter has an interesting is an
interesting chance in front of him to sort of prove
that maybe the system was the problem. That he is,
you know, five star potential guy that came in and
he does have that type of ability to he showcases
a freshman before he in arguably regard in his last

(16:00):
couple of years. Yeah, I'm excited to watch him, you know,
for because I you know, I want to have a
good career, but also I'm kind of testing that theory
a little bit, like if you know, if if if
Wes goodwins inability to put guys in the right positions
and to equip guys to fulfill their full potential, if
that's one of the reasons that you got rid of him,

(16:21):
then to me, uh, that's potentially something a monitor as
Bart Carter hits.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
To the NFL. You know.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
One of the strange things though about linebacker, the linebacker
position for Clemson qualk in my opinion, look at kind
of the recent history, right, you go back to Dory
o' daniel, you go back to Isaiah Simmons. It's too
early to really evaluate what Trenton Simpson is going to
be in the NFL, but those guys were monster players
at the collegiate level. And this may be kind of
just the determining factor of how much better the NFL

(16:51):
game is versus the collegiate game, and maybe the speed
of the guys in general. But really those first two
Dorian and and Isaiah never really panned out in the NFL.
And it's kind of surprising, which would make me think,
because I think all three of those guys, in my opinion,
were probably better players collegiately than what you saw from

(17:13):
Barrett Carter, and I could be wrong. Maybe O'Daniel you
might feel differently about that. But the other two I
feel certain were better than Barrett Carter at the collegiate level.
And it's kind of surprising that none of those guys
up until this point had really did anything in the NFL.
And those are guys coached by Brin Vinables.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, that's right now again, I'm gonna go back to
fit because what happened in Brinvinables is he knew what
he wanted Dorian O'Daniel to be, and he knew how
to get him there. He knew what he wanted Isaiah
Simmons to be, and he got him there. The thing
that happened when when Isaiah Simms was drafted. I remember
this on his draft day, people like me were saying it.
People all over the NFL draft were saying it. You

(17:51):
have to have a plan for this guy because he's
not the prototypical size to play safety or skill set
to play safety. He's not in the prototypical size or
skill set.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
The play linebacker.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
If you're just gonna have a cookie cutter defense and
try to like PLoP this guy into somebody else's position.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
You're not gonna be able to do it. You're not
gonna be able to use him.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, now, Dorian O'Daniel was a little bit smaller and
maybe not as athletic, and there were maybe some other,
like better reasons why he didn't work. But to me,
the Cardinals got Isaiah Simmons and then didn't know what to.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Do with them.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
They just drafted a player and had a bad plan.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
They had a bad plan.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Because they thought we can deploy this guy like somebody else.
The reality is right now, Clinton is selling to other
high schoolers you can be Isaiah Simmons, which means you
can do a bunch of things for us that people
now they're maybe not doing as much with Tom Allen
in the fold, but certainly they were with Vinables and
with Wes Goodwin. They were showing guys, look, we think

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you can be the next Isaiah Simmons. Because Simmons did
a bunch of stuff in the NFL. They try to
make Simmons do one thing. That's my thing with Barret Carter.
Barrett Carter, Should he be in coverage three downs?

Speaker 6 (18:58):
No?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Should he be in the box three No. If you're
gonna have Baron Carter and you're gonna deploy him, well,
he's gonna be doing a bunch of things. He's probably
not gonna be on the field every down, but when
he goes in there, he's gonna be able to do
a bunch of stuff. He's gonna be equipped to do
a bunch of stuff, and you're gonna have a bunch
of guys around him who do have a consistent job,
who can do that job at a high level. So again,
I'm interested to see how that works because of the

(19:21):
situations that you just described, and how because Carter is
a little bit undersize and play linebacker because he's not
quite as quick to play safety, he is a twainer
in the Simmons and O'Daniel mold like you described.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well, buddy, have a great week. Always appreciation my man,
and we will talk to you real soon.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Swan Antela is great to be with you have a
great week.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
There you go, that's our time with William Qualking. But
she don't forget coming up brand new Clipson Hall of
Famer not yet technically inducted, I guess with a ceremony.
But Tim Bray will be a part of the program
in our number two when we come back. We talked
about the Ian Shefflin situation yesterday on the program, the
potential that he might play football. More on that when
we return. Rocking and Rolling along with you the show

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The Shakes of Southland On a Thursday, Timberray set to
join the program and just a little bit and even
timb Ray got in on the Ian Shefflin stuff. Yesterday
he posted an AI generated graphic of a tiger that
had on a chef hat and said something along the

(20:22):
lines of, you know, this is going to be the
story of the day, but we posed the question yesterday
to you in that story being the news that Ian Shefflin.
I believe it was originally broken by Larry Williams that
Ian Shefflin could potentially try out and play football at Clemson,

(20:45):
and although he entered the transfer portal as a basketball
player by some sort of what do you call it,
some sort of loophole or whatever, there's a chance that
he could play football and have another season of eligibility
at Clemson because you get four years to play five.

(21:09):
And although he played all four of his college years
of basketball at Clemson, he would technically still have a
fifth year of eligibility in another sport. And so I
threw out the question to you guys, like, who are
some other players out there that you would like to

(21:29):
see play football at Clemson that played basketball? And we
got into some of those yesterday, but some other names
popped up on the list a couple of times, and
the main one and had to do a little looking
up on it Murray Jarmin six six, two hundred and

(21:56):
five pounder who played at Clemson for nineteen eighty to
nineteen eighty four out of Delray Beach, Florida, Saint Andrew's
High School. His card. I've got these cards over here
that are like old school Clemson baseball card kind of deals.

(22:16):
I've never opened them. I had someonehen I was a kid,
and I don't want to open these collegiate collection from
nineteen ninety. But the Florida native, according to the back
of his card, came to Clipson as a walk on,
but end of his career by being drafted by both
the Phoenix Suns in the NBA and the Denver Broncos
in the NFL. They say, it's incredible and you consider

(22:37):
that he never played football in college. He was named
the most improved player on the nineteen eighty two eighty
three team and the most valuable on the eighty three
eighty four squad. He ranked third in career field goal
percentage at the end of his career. So Murray jar

(22:59):
Murray Jarmon was drafted in the NFL but never played
football at Clemson. I mean that would epitomize the example, right,
like when people bring new Hopkins to the table in

(23:20):
sort of a reversal of fortune scenario. He did play both.
Some of you may not remember his basketball time at Clemson.
It wasn't a great basketball time at Clemson quite frankly
looking back at some of those rosters.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
But.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
They needed help. He was an athletic guy and DeAndre
Hopkins was able to help the Clemson basketball team a
little bit. But Murray Jarmon must have been a heck
of an athlete for a team in the NFL again
in the eighties. To take a gander and say, we'll

(23:59):
give this guy a tight end, we'll draft him. Sure,
and I got Murray Jarman from a couple of people.
Mitchell hit us up with Murray. Murray Jarmin's name also
was dropped by Eric and Ron. So we appreciate all
of those guys hit me up with Murray Jarmon because

(24:21):
I would have I would have never known that one. Now,
Dennis did come through with James Mays, which is the
name Dennis and I brought up on the show. And
you know, I do wonder just because of some of
his what I called yesterday, I think herky jerky athleticism,
where he would really fit on the football field. I

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think tight end is possible. And I do feel like,
if I'm being fair to the basketball guys, I do
feel like, because of the nature of that sport, they
are probably much more agile than some of the football players.
And when you put an agile basketball player on the

(25:07):
football field, he's likely to look really good, but I
just still see kind of that overt hopping around and
sort of skiddish movements from James Mays in my head,
and I can't I really struggle to pencil him into

(25:29):
where I would put him as a football player at Clemson.
But yes, those are some of the ones I wanted
to get in, specifically to mention of Murray Jarmon, who
I had to look up, but I learned quite a
bit about him and was shocked because you just don't

(25:51):
see that today. I was trying to think if there's
an example in recent years of a move being made
like that. I could not think of one right off hand.
So if you know one, feel free text me a
zero three four or five zero zero eighty six text

(26:14):
line phone line, and again be a part of the
show The Shakespeare South Lane any time, any place, anywhere
over on our website, Clemson sports Talk dot com. So
those are some cool names. I appreciate everybody on social
media chatting it up and dropping them again. One other
one that I thought of over the you know, the

(26:37):
tomeline of the whole thing, was Wayne Buckingham. When you
think about Wayne Buckingham, you know, I don't know if
interior defender is where you could have put him, but
maybe a defensive end during his time at Clemson. He
had the size, he's certainly athletic, but he would have

(27:00):
been kind of another one that maybe I would have
thrown out there. I'm hard pressed to think about, like
the Rod Halls that we talked about yesterday. But glad
to hear the name Murray Jarman come across the radar
and then to see that he was drafted in the NFL.
So yeah, I would say he probably could have played
for Clemson football given the fact that the Denver Broncos

(27:23):
thought it was worth taking him in the NFL draft.
All right, quick break, we'll come back. We'll tell you
about the situation that took place last night in Major
League Baseball. Scary moment on the diamond Lawton swam with
you on a Thursday afternoon. Timber Ray coming up on
the program. We'll talk with him about being inducted in
the Clemson Hall of Fame. We'll talk to him about

(27:44):
some of the other players, some of the other individuals.
He's the only person that wasn't a player that was
inducted into the Clemson Hall of Fame. So we'll talk
with Tim Ray about that coming up in just a
little bit. All right, eight three four or five zero
zero eighty six. Let's see, we're talking about last night

(28:05):
in Major League Baseball and a scary moment that took
place during the Pittsburgh game. I don't know how many
of you saw this take place, but a fan fell
during the Pirates game in the seventh inning at PNC

(28:29):
Park and was critically injured. Now, I've never been somebody
like they've always got. You know, there's always a ton
of stuff that you can watch that you probably should not,
but people will. People will watch it for the I

(28:51):
don't know what purpose. I hesitate to say the thrill
of it, but because I don't think it's thrill. But
I think there's an intrigue an interest that some people
have and just bad kind of grim things. I've never
been that person by any means, but I do when,
especially now that I do this job, I certainly watch

(29:17):
things that I probably would otherwise not, just to get
a better indicator of what happened. For example, I probably
and this is a little different than this situation for sure,
And again I certainly hope this individual lives the st

(29:37):
being treated as accidental in nature. I think it was
about twenty some odd footfall, but kind of like you
go back to Marcus Lattimore and his injury and how
gruesome that was, and a lot of people they'll turn
their heads, you know, when somebody gets injured like that,
And and I do have I always have the initial oh.

(29:59):
But then there's a part of me that feels a
responsibility as a journalist to watch it so that I
really have a better idea about what happened. And it
was a contest between the Chicago Cubs and the Pittsburgh Pirates,
and of course play with stops so that the medical
staff could tend to the fan. It was certainly a

(30:21):
situation where you could very easily break your neck. It
was certainly a situation where you could easily die. And
in watching the video replay of that moment, what was
so peculiar about it? And I think that's probably the

(30:47):
way to put it, is the motion of the fan.
And again, I know some of you will have no
interest in watching that situation, but it wasn't It wasn't
like there was some big thing that would make you go,

(31:11):
I'm gonna just leap to my feet. It was, you know,
an exciting play, but the fan when you kind of
watch it, the best way I can kind of put
my mind on it is it's reminiscent of someone you know,

(31:37):
launching themselves up in excitement and just not realizing how
hard he was jumping. And you can see in the
video that he tries to hang on for a second,
but too much momentum, too much, too much upward trajectory,

(31:58):
and I mean, just a gruesome crash to the ground.
I wonder, you know, my question now becomes how much
higher will the Pittsburgh Pirates make this fence? Because the
fact is when he stands up or jumps up or

(32:19):
leaps to his feet, I mean it, it does seem
like it's pretty low, and there's a couple of people
standing near him. It seems like it's probably not waist high,
which it shocks me. Right, with all the rules that
you gotta have, like with a house, some just gotta
be if it's more than six inches off the ground,

(32:39):
you gotta have a fence or whatever, you know, a
rail like it would seem like with that twenty Summit
foot drop that it would be harder to go head
over heels to the ground and over the top. But
you know, it's a play's made some other fans jump
up and celebrate, and a lot of people didn't see

(33:00):
it because they're watching the action. The players didn't notice it.
Initially took him a minute to respond to realize what happened.
But ah scary moment there in Pittsburgh, and again our
thoughts and prayers to that individual. It almost looked like
he was you know how when you were a kid

(33:23):
and you might be at like a Caro Wins or something,
and you're waiting to get on the ride and you're
on that railing and you might like kick your legs up.
It almost looked like he was doing that. He was
so excited he kicked his legs up, but too much,
too much power, energy or whatever, and just launches himself

(33:46):
over the railing. A scary, scary moment, and I think
everybody who saw that certainly is hoping that the individual
is going to be okay, but in critical condition at
this point. But a scary moment at the ballpark last

(34:07):
night for fans, for the players. And you know that's
a player safety thing too, like that railing should not
be something you could that's easily leapt over on accident
or on purpose for that matter. I mean, it really

(34:28):
seemed easy when you watch him cascade over the defense,
and it was it was tough a zero three four
five zer zero eighty six. Don't forget timber Ray coming
up in hour number two, and again I want to
send my thoughts and prayers to that fan, because I
don't think it was something where he meant to leap

(34:50):
onto the field. And even if he did mean to,
I certainly certainly would not wish him any you know,
ill will or whatever happened. I mean that that was
just all all right, quick break, We'll come back. Our
Lakers season is done, and I'm sad, sad about it.
Stay with us. Final segment of our one coming up.

(35:12):
Tim Bray joins the program, and I don't know I'm
gonna ask him, do I call do I already call
him a Hall of Famer? Do we have to wait
for the ceremony? How's that work? What are the uh
you know, what are the semantics behind that? I want
to make sure that I do the proper thing, like
you know you're supposed to, Curtsey, if you're a lady

(35:32):
in front of the Queen, that you gotta know the rules.
What do you do with the Hall of Famers, I
gotta find out. Also, gotta tell you, if you're up
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(35:56):
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(36:17):
your support of them coming back to us. So thank
you for being a part of that all right. Last
night in the NBA, two teams, two teams that were
higher seeded or better seeded. That's always tough, Like the

(36:40):
two and the three seed those are lower seeds or
higher I tend to call those the higher seeds because
the top seed, right, we would say, is the number
one seed, So I would call them higher even though
the numbers are smaller. The last night the NBA, two
higher seeds were on the brink of elimination as Houston

(37:03):
and Golden State faced off in Game five in Los
Angeles and Minnesota faced off in Game five. Both of
the better ranked teams were home. Houston got the job done,
the job done one thirty one, one sixteen, but our
Los Angeles Lakers did not one o three ninety six

(37:26):
to final. Minnesota and Anthony Edwards and Rudy Gobert and
the Minnesota Timberwolves take down the Los Angeles Lakers, ending
the season for LA. A lot of people think Lebron
James has one more, one more season in him. The

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Lakers trailed for the entire first half quite frankly. At
moments it was ugly. I mean, they were down twenty
one to nine, and the only thing that could kind
of make me feel okay was I know that in
the NBA everybody makes a run. The Lakers were down
thirty one to nineteen, you know, not able to make

(38:13):
any progress by the end of the first quarter. The
Lakers finally did take the lead in the third quarter,
seventy nine seventy seven with two h nine left. After
Luca made a couple of free throws. The two teams
would go back and forth into the fourth quarter, with

(38:33):
the Lakers having an eighty eight eighty seven lead. That
was their final lead of the night. With six point
twenty nine left, is Luca hit a ten foot jumper,
Minnesota would knock down two free throws and take a
lead with six oh seven remaining that they would not relinquish,

(38:56):
and the Los Angeles Lakers are left to their wounds.
And really, I thought, going up against Rudy Gobert, who
had twenty seven points twelve of fifteen from the field,
it was the first time that I thought they missed
Anthony Davis. Luca had twenty eight on seven of eighteen

(39:21):
from the floor. I think for the sake of the future,
having Luca to be the piece you build around down
the road is going to be important for Los Angeles.
And minus seven footer that can really play the game,

(39:44):
I think you saw they were a little bit exposed
in this series. It also doesn't help how good and
how confident you know Anthony Edwards plays. Now. Last night
was a game of should have won because Edward's confidence

(40:06):
led him to going zero for eleven from the three
point arc. I mean, that's a ton of possessions where
you're coming up empty. But with him on the court,
and this is kind of the stunning factoid of it.
With him on the court, the Timberwolves, who won one

(40:27):
oh three ninety six, were plus twelve, they were plus eighteen,
would go bear on the floor, and I thought to
myself watching it, man, it's too bad. The Lakers don't
have anybody that they can really throw out there to

(40:48):
try to disrupt or play as a big guy. It's
just they don't have the piece. They just don't have
the piece. They tried Maxi kleean clever, however we say
his name. I think that was his first minutes this season,
trying to do anything they could in the paint. And

(41:11):
I was looking at the Lakers roster last night, and
you know what's incredible to me is I remember and
you might too, when Alex Lynn was a big name
basketball player out of Maryland. Never did a whole lot

(41:32):
in the NBA. But give him credit. Dude's been in
the league for eleven seasons, drafted back in twenty thirteen.
But they just don't have anybody that can run out
there versus you know, go bear to slow him down.
So consequence of that action for the Los Angeles Lakers
is being upset. I would say, as the three seed

(41:55):
out West, they're out, They're eliminated. Tonight at seven thirty
on tn T, New York and Detroit faced off, and
what could be an elimination game if the New York
Knicks win. And then at ten o'clock Denver and the
Los Angeles Clippers in a similar matchup. It'll be an
elimination game if the Denver Nuggets win. So that's a
quick look at the NBA. All right, coming up on

(42:17):
the flip side, he is going to be inducted in
the Clemson Hall of Fame. Tim Bray joins us right
around the band.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
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on the guest line, a new Clemson Hall of Famer, Tim,
Welcome in Hope. You're well, how does it feel to
be one of the next individuals up inducted into the

(43:48):
Clemson Hall of Fame?

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Well?

Speaker 7 (43:51):
Thanks, uh, I Lotton. It's you know, been involved in
promoting a lot of the people that are in the
Hall of Fame, so it's just kind of a who
who were going to be one of the members coming
up in November?

Speaker 5 (44:04):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, so I you know, I saw it come across
and listen, I'd be lying to you if I didn't
think at some point this news was gonna come through
that you were going to be in the Clemson Hall
of Fame given your you know, your repertoire and your
you know, your resume and everything that that you did
during your tenure at Clemson. But I also have to
think it's it's quite the feeling for you recognizing your work,

(44:29):
especially following in the footsteps of a legend like Bob Bradley.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Well, yeah, absolutely, uh. You know, Clemson's reputation and sports
information has been strong for a long time. Even before
Bob Bradley was Joe Sherman was the was the sports
information director. He's in the Sports Information Hall of Fame
and he's also in the Clemson Hall of Fame. And
then haven't worked with with Bob Bradley for for many

(44:58):
years and just you know, learning all about Clemson from
him and the way to do things. And so it's
nice to, you know, to continue that tradition in that
regard too.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
And again Tim Bray joins us. He is part of
a larger class. And as you look at your career though, Tim,
when you step into it back in nineteen seventy eight
at Clemson and you're there for forty years and certainly
still there, I kind of, I'll admit it. I gave
a Hall of Famer a little grief earlier this week
when I said, you know, guys, I know it ends
in twenty eighteen, but here it is twenty twenty five

(45:32):
and he's still still getting after it for Clemson. But
I mean, when you get there in nineteen seventy eight,
this is not something you like put on the bucket
list to achieve. I'm going to try to be in
the Hall of Fame. What was it that kind of
drove your work ethic and everything that you did, you know,
in order to to do what you were able to,

(45:53):
you know, to get accomplished what you accomplished.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Well, probably I would say at number one would be
a basic love of sports. That that was the initial thing,
you know, when I left Notre Dame and came to Clemson.
You know, it was the first year I was gonna say, well,
do I love Notre Dame sports information.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Or do I love sports?

Speaker 5 (46:15):
So that I could do this at different place, at
a different place, and you know, after a year or two,
I could see that I that I did, and I
actually applied to be the SID at Pittsburgh in nineteen
eighty three. I accepted the job and then and then
I pulled to Bobby Crimins I told him I didn't

(46:35):
really want to leave Clemson. And so that's kind of
the point where I knew that I was gonna, you know,
want to stay here for you know, for a long
period of time. And then so at that level, sports
of course blossom more over a couple of years into
just the people who were at at Clemson and you know,

(46:56):
working for Bob Bradley, who was such a good person
and just so they respected that. You know, he would
probably be the main person, but you know the other
people that I that I dealt with in those days,
Coach Bill Foster and I were very close and got
to know Coach Willhelm and you know all the other
coaches in a lot of the student athletes who I

(47:17):
to keep up with.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Today, Tim Brayle with us here on the program talking
about his forthcoming induction into the Clemson Athletic Hall of Fame. Additionally, Tim,
you know you've done a lot for the school with
being the chairman of the Clemson Ring of Honor Committee.
And I think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think a lot of people tend to really

(47:39):
focus on that with the football side of it, but
it's a lot of the other athletes and then you
look at you know, the other names that are on
this list. We can start with football, certainly, but I
know you've got more stories about some of the individuals
that I may not know, and I'd love to talk
with you about them. But first let's talk about those
football guys, DeAndre Hopkins and Chester mcloughton and their impact

(48:03):
on the Clemson football program during their time in Tigertown.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Yeah, of course, you know Knuke, who's going on to
have a terrific NFL career that is still going. He's
only fourteen receptions short of a thousand receptions. I assume
he he knows that, and one of the reasons he's
playing another year. Of course he's going to play with Baltimore,
I guess this year. But you know, he's, you know,

(48:31):
just an interesting story in himself and that he was
a local kid at Daniel High School, just a terrific
all around athlete, took Daniel High to a a state
championship and.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Then actually played played a season of basketball at.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
At Clemson, and I kind of wish you'd have played
more because he was a terrific defensive player. And I
remember a couple of games he played, especially a game
at Maryland the one year he played that he was,
you know, very good and effective. So and then you
know what he did at Clemson. He's still a co
holder of the record for touchdown catches in a career

(49:08):
at at Clemson, and it's just gone on to have
an unbelievable NFL career. Kaster mclaughton, he was here for
he was actually here four years. He red shirted his
first year and of course going on to see there
was a career he had. You know, why in the
world did he get red shirt? Why did coach Boyd
redshirt him in nineteen eighty eight. Of course we had
a great defensive team then anyway, but he hit the

(49:33):
ground running as a red shirt freshman in nineteen eighty nine,
actually led the acecy in sacks as a as a freshman.
I remember when we beat a Florida State down in Tallahassee,
which was kind of an upset at the time, the
first time we won in Tallahassee that he had five
quarterback pressures in that game and was really really disruptive

(49:54):
and went on to he had a great Pro Bowl
career also. I think it's four time Pro Bowl selection.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, he to me was sort of William Perry esque
in the size. You didn't see it, I mean you
saw it more, you know, unlike now where you see
it all the time. But I mean he really jumped
off of the screen when you saw Chester McLoughlin there
on the interior that Clemson defensive line. Again, timber Ray
with us here on the program at Tim, I know

(50:24):
golf is close to your heart. I don't know much
about him. Oswald Drowdy, what can you tell us? Clemson
Men's Golf nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety also a
fellow Hall of Fame inductee with you.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Yeah, well, Oswald was a terrific play He was an
All American. But also he was an academic All American.
Academic All American, and golf is a little bit different
because the Golf Coaches Association takes their own Academic All
America team, which is different from the CoSIDA. There's no
separate CoSIDA Academic All American team for golf, so that's

(50:59):
why the Coach Association and Men's Golf decided to have
their own. But yeah, he's the only three time selection
in Clemson history to be named that golf Academic All
America team. And then he was a terrific player on
the course at two time All American as a sophomore.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
And a senior.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
I was in the same class as Chris Patten, So
maybe he didn't quite get the attention because Chris was
He was the fridge of golf from the standpoint of
being just a gregarious and upgoing and I commanded a
lot of attention, So it kind of took away from Oswald,

(51:38):
but he was a big reason the Tigers had top
ten finishes in his last three years.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Tim burrable a share on the program. Tim another thing
that was brought to my attention that I think sometimes
now a little you know, time makes you forget about it.
But Donnie Heckel wrestling at Clemson nineteen eighty seven. In
the nineteen ninety one, how difficult was it when the
Clemson wrestling you know, team whatever you want? However, it

(52:08):
was kind of a referred to when when that part
of the athletic department shut down? What do you recall
about those days?

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Yeah, that was kind of a shame. There were some
as far as when it when it, you know, the
last couple of years we we we had a top fifteen,
top twenty program and then there were some ncitative OBLA
violations that that took place, and I think that was

(52:35):
a contributing factor with the program you know, shutting down unfortunately,
I think in nineteen ninety five. But we had we
had some some very good wrestlers before that. Our first
national champion and any sport individual was Noel Lobin, who

(52:56):
went on to win an Olympic medal actually at the
nineteen eighty Olympics, and he was he was an NCAA
champion I think at one hundred and ninety pounds and
that was actually our first national champion in any individual national.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Champions Oh wow, did not men?

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Donnie Heckle, as you said, K came came along and
had an All American career as well.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Tim Berray joining us here talking about the Clemson Athletic
Hall of Fame. Now, Tim, the other thing that I
couldn't help but think about when I thought about your
longevity and your opportunity to be inducted and being a
you know, one of those administrators that's now in the
Clemson Athletic Hall of Fame, how does this class come together?

(53:41):
Like what's the procedure and how does the block C
Club I guess decide who they're going to look at?
And like I know with the Ring of Honor, right,
you guys have some some stipulations in place. What are
some of the guideline Do you know what comes along

(54:01):
with that?

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Well, you know the process for Hall of Fame. Uh,
you know, any any member who's in the Hall of
Fame already or an obtained member or a former student
athlete or coach can be submitted nomination. Uh around February
Bob money and uh they solicitit. Uh, you know, nominations.

(54:26):
So we get nominations and uh and then they give
the nomination all the people who have been nominating and
they send her to me. And and so I'm responsible
for putting the information kind of bios bullet notes bios
together on each on each individual. So then they still
they go on the ballot and then Bob sends the

(54:48):
ballot out. And then this year it was in March.
It's usually in March. The boarder directors to the Block
Seat Club, which is the Letterman's Association. They meet and
and they have a voting process that they go through. Now,
I've never been on the committee that is on the
selection committee, so I'll be honest with you. I've never

(55:09):
been there when they've gone through the selection process, So
I'm not sure how that takes place or how many
votes you need or whatever. So I really don't know.
I just provide the information to the committee.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Tim Bray with us here. Now. Additionally, I saw the
video where new Hopkins found out on the telephone with
Dabo Sweeney and TYJ Boyd. How did you find out?
I mean, I know you said you would have you
would have gotten the information, So how did you find
out that you made it?

Speaker 5 (55:41):
So every year, after the voting is done and they
determine who's gotten in, Bob Mahoney would send me the
list of the people who got in so I could
start in on the press release about it. Well, during
Force of Habit, Bob has a list of people he

(56:03):
sends that to and I'm on that list, and so
he sent it to me. And so I got the
email and I looked at it and I saw my
name was on it. So I emailed him back. I said,
so to this mean I got in the Hall of
Fame this year? And he laughed and he said, yeah,
force of Habit. He said, I should have called you
ahead of time, but that's how I found out.

Speaker 7 (56:27):
But yeah, Bob usually bobbily to call the person who's
the people have.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Gotten in, or he'll let a coach or a student
athlete he knows that's close to him make the call.
And that's obviously what they did with Nuke Hopkins. Dabbo
always always thinking he waited till April sixteenth, to have
him and Taj call nuke, which was very neat because

(56:54):
fourth and sixteen was that famous play against LSU in
the bowl game that Dodge complete it along past to
Nuke for the first down. We went on to win
the game. So that was a pretty cool way of
doing it.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Really, that moment probably propels Clemson in a large part
to where they are today. I'm not sure you know
how much of a ripple effect that moment has if Clemson,
you know, Chandler Kanzara didn't cash in the field goal,
But nonetheless, that moment certainly resonating with Clemson Tiger fans.
As timber Ray hangs out with us here on the program.

(57:29):
All right, Tim, we'll shift gears a little bit and
get off of that Clemson Hall of Fame class. We
ran through the entire list yesterday, and again, congratulations to
you and your fellow class members. But taking a look
at the situation with Ian Shefflin and the possibility of
playing football. You even put it on your Facebook AI
image of a Tiger wearing a chef hat. Your thoughts

(57:52):
on that, you know his potential there, and then I'm
gonna ask you a follow up this similar I think.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
He has, you know, great potential, and there's there's you know,
history that supports this, the guys who played his position
in basketball and the way he plays. You just have
to look at Sam Clancy who played at the University
of Pittsburgh. Interesting to know that when Lenson played at

(58:19):
Pittsburgh this year they retired his number. Well, he played
four years of basketball, they retired his basketball number for Pittsburgh.
He never played football at the University of Pittsburgh, went
on to play nine years in the in the NFL.
And Antonio Gates who played four years of basketball at
Kent State. He didn't played football at Kent State and

(58:40):
went on to have a sixteen year NFL career and
he's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Jimmy Graham
has gone on to be a terrific tight end in
the NFL, who was first a basketball player at the
University of Miami. So there's certainly president for it. And
when you look at the skill set of the tight
position versus the skill set of the power forward, the

(59:04):
way Ian has a sixth sense when it came to rebounding,
I think he's going to have a sixth sense when
it comes to catching the ball in the in the crowd.
I mean, you just think about, now you got the
ball inside the opponent five yard line and a six
foot cornerback is going to be a sign to try
to stop Ian Shefflin catching a high lob pass in

(59:26):
the corner of the end zone. You know, I feel
pretty good about the possibility of that being completed.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
So I posed a question to the listeners on social media,
who are some other players that they would have liked
to see play football from the basketball team. And a
name that came up that I did not know from
a couple of people was Murray Jarman, who played basketball
at Clemson but was drafted by the NFL back in

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what the mid eighties.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
I mean, that's crazy, So Murray, Yeah, Murray was actually
draft that in two sports. He played the eighty three
eighty four academic year was his senior year of basketball,
and then I believe he was a second round pick
of the Phoenix Suns in basketball. And then the draft,

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the NFL Draft of eighty four, and I guess that
would have been in April. He was a twelfth round
pick of the of the Denver Broncos, and so I believe, yeah,
he tried out for both. He didn't happen to make it,
but yeah he was. He was a terrific all round athlete.

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And yeah he never played football at Clemson, but he
got drafted by the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
So, Tim, I'll ask you, who's the Clemson basketball player
that you think would have been a good football player?
Some names I got, I'll give you some Harold Jamison.
Also heard Trevor Booker from some po. Who would you say?

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
I would add Cliff Hammond's to that list. And I
know people they're thinking big, but I think I could
certainly see Cliff Hammonds being a terrific safety as a
football player. I do believe he played football and in
high school down in k Road, Georgia, but I would

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I would certainly think he would have been He would
have been a guy that you know that pops into
my mind there. And one other guy if you if
you say, if you say Harold Jamison, the person who
said hail Jamison, Uh, probably would go a little bit
further in years. And we had a guy named Olu
Babolola who is a terrific, terrific all around athlete. He

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only played basketball, and I always wondered about him as
a tight end or a defensive end.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yes, there you go. I mentioned the lou Babolola as well,
because I think there were some rumors about him maybe
going out there. I don't I think it all fell
apart at some point. But yeah, yeah, Tim Burray, Tim, congratulations,
well earned. You deserve it. And uh, what an honor.
I'm so happy that you finally got that email. Surprise

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you're in.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
Thanks lot and I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
There you go, Tim Berray here on a Thursday afternoon.
What an honor Clemson Sports. So the show is Chase
to south Land. That was Tim Bray before the break.
So he likes the He likes the idea of Ian
Shefflin cooking on the goal line as a potential target

(01:02:39):
for k Clubnick. Speaking of k Clubnick, the NFL Draft
just concluded this past weekend, and the way too early
mock drafts and all that stuff have started to come out,
but conversations abound about the potential that Ka Clubnick could

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very well be the top quarterback taken in the NFL
Draft next season, under the presumption that Arch Manning eyeballs
the draft like his uncle did back in the day
Peyton Manning, who decided, Yeah, I think I'll stay at
Tennessee another year, not go get drafted by the New

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York Jets. Well, k Clubny doesn't have that option to
sit back, but arch Manning does. And given that possibility,
there's a chance that with good play, k Clubnick could
be drafted as the number one quarterback. Taking off the board,

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and to take that a step further, Jordan Reid from
ESPN projects Kate Clubney to be the number one overall
pick in the NFL draft next season. We've seen Clubnick
as the number two pick before. This is the first

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time I've seen an indication of him being first. And
make to make it a take it a step further,
I should say with it being the Browns, that would
mean that the Browns would have selected in the past
two drafts Dylan Gabriel, Schador Sanders and Kai Clubnick. Furthermore,

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that would suggest that Cleveland did not draft those two guys,
Gabriel and Sanders, with the belief that they could be
the future at quarterback. And again, it's a roster that
still got Deshaun Watson on it as well, but a
potential projection of Kaideklubnick as the number one overall pick

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in the NFL draft is a hot topic for now.
I don't think I don't think that k club it
could be the number one pick. I don't think that
Arch Manning's gonna sit around and play another year collegiately.
It would be one thing if when you went to

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the NFL you weren't gonna make money hand over fist.
As being the number one draft pick, it's way better
than being a very well compensated college player, unlike being
a later pick in the draft. As a matter of fact,

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I think Shaudor Sanders, I think shoud Or Sanders would
have made more playing collegiately this year than he will
playing with the Cleveland Browns. By comparison, the top pick
in the NFL draft is projected to sign approximately a

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forty three million dollar deal. And remember, the NFL was
not always like this. The NFL, you could come out
and be a floppopotamus. You could be terrible and get
paid boatloads of money. JaMarcus Russell, I mean hard to

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hate on the guy was given the amount of money
that he made back when JaMarcus Russell was drafted. He
signed a six year, sixty one million dollar contract with
thirty two million guaranteed. I mean, that's that's just and

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again you go, well, the money now is similar to that, Yeah,
but the guaranteed side of it is not. I also
think Sam Bradford was another one that I remember blowing
the doors off seventy eight million, fifty million of guarantees.
Great job, Sam Bradford, the first pick in twenty ten.

(01:07:21):
Let's take a look. Did over under? Did Sam Bradford
pass for six thousand yards in his NFL career? I'm
taking the under. I could be way off. I don't
remember much of Sam Bradford. Let's see career stats. I'm
taking the under on six thousand. Why you say over

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nineteen nineteen? Look at that he threw a thirty five
hundred as a rookie Monster Bradford was better than I thought,
passing wise, maybe not necessarily touchdown the interceptions wise, those
Saint Louis teams must have been awful. I don't remember him.

(01:08:03):
His last year in the league was with the Arizona
Cardinals in twenty eighteen. Bradford nineteen four hundred and forty
nine yards. It's actually a lot more than I thought.
I was gonna take the under. I thought he was
a I thought Bradford was the bust of the busts.

(01:08:26):
Well not quite. I mean he wasn't JaMarcus Russell bust,
but I thought he was in that category because I
think his contract was the one that sort of set
the stage for the future. Let's see what JaMarcus Russell's
stats look like. Is he under five thousand? I would say, yeah,
oh yeah, barely over four? Eighteen touchdowns, twenty three interceptions.

(01:09:00):
They've got this. This is the same guy. They got
his college listed as Oregon though JaMarcus Russell played at LSU.
Why would that say Oregon. I've thrown this in the
Google machine, but I mean, I don't see any ties
to Oregon. Now, that's got to be a typo overall

(01:09:22):
ESPN's website. Boy, LSU fans are probably like shoe, Thank goodness,
Thank goodness. When people look him up, they associate him
with Oregon and not US. Now, man, that's a payday. Huh.
Eighteen touchdowns, twenty three interceptions. What did I say? Sixty

(01:09:43):
one million? Was that the number? See? All right, quick break,
We'll come back with more on the show That shakesa
south Land right here on Fox Sports Radio. Fourteen hundred
and on the iHeartRadio app Rocking and Rolling with You,
the show The shakesa south Land Clemson sports tal lak
Swan again. We had Timbarey on earlier talking about his

(01:10:06):
induction into the Clemson Hall of Fame. Kind of funny
he gets the email and he's on the list. I
guess this means I'm in surprised, Like, how does that happen?

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I mean, I'm sure it was. I'm sure it went well,
but still, I mean, Tim's a humble guy and he
knew he was gonna get any kid. Me forty years
forty years to me, like, I know, every job doesn't
have a Hall of Fame. And this is not meant

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to diminish the accomplishments of Timbarey by any means, and
the success that he had as an sid and the
job that he did. But if you are at one
place for forty years, I don't know what the criteria
are to get in the Hall of Fame, But unless

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you are just absolutely atrocious, I think you've earned it,
because if you were bad, he would have gotten rid
of you. I mean good for Tim forty years, I
started to wonder, like how long did Bob Bradley. Did
Bob Bradley serve at Clemson? And who would have served longer?

(01:11:30):
Did Tim Beray? If Bob Bradley wasn't longer than Tim?
So Bradley was at Clemson from nineteen fifty five until
two thousand, so forty five years. But he was the

(01:11:58):
SID for Clemson from fifty five to eighty nine. And honestly,
that's what thirty four years Tim did forty not all
his SID so I don't I mean he was a

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sports information director. But how long before fifty five was
Bob Bradley at Clemson? I mean either way, either way,
what Tim Barrey did at Clemson and the job that
he still does phenomenal, outstanding. And looking back at Bradley,

(01:12:44):
it appears that he got the Clemson sports information job
in fifty five, like that was his first paying gig.
It appears at Clemson. He started at Clemson in nineteen
forty one, served a four year stand in the Air Force,
returned to Clemson as the editor of the student newspaper
in forty eight, graduated in fifty one. He began his

(01:13:07):
career in sports writing with the Greenville News and then
came back to Clemson in fifty three as secretary of
the alumni Association. In October fifty five, it was hired
by Frank Howard, and boy, you talk about you talk
about like shaking up the college career in nineteen forty one.
He intered school as a freshman, served four years in

(01:13:28):
the Air Force during World War Two, then doesn't graduate
until ten years after he first entered Clemson. So he's
like twenty eight or twenty seven when he graduated from Clemson.
I mean, how's that for a story. And I know

(01:13:49):
that wasn't the quote norm, but I'm sure it was
much more normal than that story is today when you
talk about ittely a zero three four five zero zero
eighty six. One other topic on the college football front

(01:14:11):
real quick that I'll want to get to, how many
of you saw the interview with North Carolina head coach
Bill Belichick on CBS Sunday Morning. I record that show.
I recorded that show in sixty minutes for years. I
know that makes me sound old, but I liked that show.

(01:14:36):
I like both of those shows quite frankly, but looking
back at that interview, I didn't think it was as
strange as everybody else did. But I thought it was
a little weird. Most notably, I thought the part where

(01:14:58):
he was asked about how he met his girlfriend and
she stepped in and was like, no, no, we're not
going to talk about that. The other thing too, I
thought it was strange that they were looking at photos
of Belichick and Jordan Hudson, his girlfriend on the beach.

(01:15:24):
She's twenty four, he's seventy three, and he almost acted
like he'd never seen the pictures before, like you knew
you were in them, and somebody's there taking the photo,
or at least she set the phone up to take it.
And I would say the last thing that was really
strange for me about the whole thing, and look, man,

(01:15:48):
he can date who he wants to date. That doesn't
bother me. It still is jarring that she didn't want
to talk about how they got to know each other,
how they met. But in his dad coached at Navy,
and that's well documented that you know, with Lee Corso
at Navy and Bill Belichick's dad they were on the
same staff together. Or actually, let me say, let me

(01:16:09):
let me maybe I'm wrong, let me say again it
was Lee Corso and Bill Belichick's dad. I may have
sounded like I was saying Corso's dad. I don't want
to make it sound that way, but he's wearing a
Navy shirt. I mean, if he's coaching at Navy, that
makes sense. Forget about the big ripping the shirt. But

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you're North Carolina's head coach, and I would think that
North Carolina, give him what they're paying him, would want
him repping North Carolina on national TV. Not that Navy
is some threat to North Carolina. But still you're North
Carolina's head coach. Like, imagine Davos, who we need to

(01:16:54):
do any interview in an Alabama sweatshirt that he got
when he was playing wide receiver for the Crimson Tide. Well,
this has been through the ringer, but you know, she
still gets it done. I can still walk, you know.
I'm like, why is he wearing a Navy outfit? That
and the girlfriend stopping the question about how did you

(01:17:18):
two meet with quote, We're not talking about this. He
felt weird, felt strange, strange, sobs a Chapel Hill final
segment coming up around the bend, keep it locked?

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question,
just onn lose sight of the bigger picture. Don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately? What have you done?

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
Always are the same. We win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Final segment. On a Thursday afternoon, Clemson Sports saw the
show The Shakes the South. We caught up with Tim
Bray earlier if you missed that interview in the podcast.
Now Clemson basketball drops some news earlier today. They'll be
playing in the twenty twenty five Shriners Children's College Classic

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down the in Charleston at TD Arena. The bracket and
games will be announced later, but the tournament format has
changed by comparison to previous years. There'll be two separate brackets,
the Palmeto Bracket, which will include Clemson, Georgia, West Virginia,
and Xavier. Then the low Country Bracket will future Boston College,

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Davidson Too Lane in Utah State. Each team will play
two games, with all teams scheduled to play their first
game on Friday, November the twenty first, and their second
game on Sunday, November twenty third. It'll be Clemson's fifth
appearance in the Charleston Classic. The Tigers have an eight

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and four overall record, including a championship in November of
two thousand and eight and runner up finishes in twenty
thirteen and twenty eighteen. So that news came out a
little bit earlier today about the twenty twenty five Shriners

(01:20:18):
Children's Charleston Classic. Also, don't forget coming up this weekend Tomorrow.
It all kicks off Clemson baseball on the road top
five matchup against the Florida State Seminals. As I mentioned
on the program yesterday, there's, you know, a lot of

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implications of this if Clemson could go down and reverse
what took place last weekend at NC State and find
their own sweep of a weekend series. Things get going
tomorrow at six o'clock on the ACC Network Extra. Saturday's
game will also be at six pm, but it will
be on the ACC Network, so you'll be able to

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catch that even if you don't have a streaming package
that allows for an online ACC Network Extra. And then
Sunday on the ACC Network Extra at two o'clock, it'll
be Clemson in Florida State. The Tigers will play their
final midweek game coming up on Tuesday, May the sixth,

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They were at Conway that's a six o'clock start as
well as Clemson and Coastal Carolina will face off. Then
the tigers last two series will be at home against Duke,
and they'll conclude things on the road this year at
pitt As. For the Clemson Tiger softball team, they're getting

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set for the ACC Tournament after an impressive three game
sweep on the road at Georgia Tech, winning six to
two nineteen to nothing in five innings on Saturday and
eight to two on Sunday. This past weekend. The ACC
Championships are going to be held up in Brighton, Massachusetts
a week from the day. Things will get going for

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Clemson as they are in the quarterfinals based off of
their finish in conference play so softball with a week off,
they finished the regular season forty one and twelve and
nineteen and five in the ACC. And remember it was
a year I was pretty worried about. But thirty five

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and nineteen a year ago better than that season. Forty
nine and twelve in twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three,
so right on par with that in forty two and
seventeen in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, so
I mean, you're talking about this season being one that
was shaping up out of the gates to be pretty rough,

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But clearly John Ripman has built a program and that
the little hitching the gidea up out of the gate
did not stop the softball team from having a really
solid regular season. And we'll see how things go for
them at the ACC Tournament and then ultimately in the

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NCUBA Tournament. So congratulations to those girls for a job
well done, I mean, completely turning the season around. Now,
if you're wondering who they might play, I can't tell
you that just yet because the way the bracket sets up,
and with Clemson starting in the quarterfinals, they've got to

(01:23:42):
wait for the first games at the ACC Tournament to
get going, and there are teams that still have games
left to be played. So there really has not been
any determining factor about like seedings across the board. But

(01:24:03):
that's the way that all is gonna shake out. We'll
find out more about that after this weekend concludes. I'm sure.
I'm sure by Monday show we'll have the layout of
the twenty twenty five ACC Softball bracket. The championship game

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of that tournament will be held on Saturday, May tenth
at two point thirty on ESPN, and every game in
the conference tournament the softball Championship will be televised on
the ACC Network. All Right, we gotta get out of here.
Thank you guys for being the part of the program.
We'll talk to the other horn until then. That's always.
I'll take care now and go Tigers.