The "Mecca Meltdown" Edition

Clemson falls to No. 10 BYU after taking a commanding 22-point lead anchored by a 22-0 run in Madison Square Garden during the Jimmy V Classic.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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of the gates here on a Wednesday. Disappointment for the
Clemson Tiger men's basketball team, not because they lost by
three to a top ten team and byu but how
they lost by three. In maybe more ways than one,

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this game was the quintessential Clemson basketball game. I mean,
it's just it's one of those things where you've seen it,
you've you've seen the script one thousand times and and
Clemson sort of did the same thing to Alabama recently

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when the Tigers were on the road in Tuscaloosa and
trail by nineteen to storm back and take the lead. Well,
in this one, Clemson had a twenty two point lead
forty four to twenty two, with nineteen fifty remaining right

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at the start of the second half, their largestly of
the game after putting together a twenty two to zero run.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Heading into halftime.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I mean, phenomenal, and they can't close it out, can't
defend the screen and roll AJ debitsenta man, he's he's
really really good. He had a drive. He's a freshman.
If you didn't watch the game, he is probably the

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number one or number two pick in the upcoming.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
NBA draft.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
BYU He had a couple of plays in the second
half that were just elite level. He scored twenty eight
points in the ballgame for Clemson though that first half,
and I know you can't you can't take one half
of a game and go, well, that's who we are
as a team. But if that's who you could be,

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and that's probably the most notable thing for me about
it is that if you could bottle that first half
for Clemson, I mean, all of a sudden, this is
a different ball club this year. I mean they score
forty three points, spread the ball around. Justin Porter was

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four or five from beyond the arc in the first half.
You got eight from god three, seven from Wellington, six
from Nick Davidson, five from Budda Johnson. And you're you're
pretty balanced. You're pretty balanced. I mean you're fourteen of
thirty one from the field, forty five percent from the field.

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You were six of seventeen from three thirty five percent
from beyond the arc. And then in the second half
you just go ice cold. Seven of twenty seven that's
twenty five point nine percent. Three of twelve from beyond
the arc that's twenty five percent. And you could call
it a regression to the mean if you will. We'll

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hear from Brad Browneil coming up in just a little bit.
But just disappointing because you controlled the game against a
top ten team for the first half and did put
yourself back in. I'll give credit here the back end
of the game. Big Three, a great layup late in

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the ballgame to tie things up with thirteen some odds
I think, remaining in the game with Dylan Hunter drives
the lane. But where was that drive earlier, Like where
where was that drive earlier in the contest when you
needed it to kind of break the schneide. That was
Dylan Hunters first bucket of the second half. Not that

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there were many to be had, but Dylan Hunter scores
his first bucket to tie the game with not I
said thirteen seconds. It was five seconds left in the game,
and so you got a tie ball game at that moment,
and B why you advances the ball up the court
they call a time out with like one point three seconds.

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I can't say you played good defense, but you did
a good job defending the inbound so that you know,
B why you didn't get maybe the look they wanted,
but unfortunately the look they got a three pointer was contested,
but not as well as it could have been. Players
are trying to avoid fouling. And I saw people on

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social media talking about, you know, what Clemson should have
done in that moment and how maybe Foster Zach Foster
should have defended it, and get I get your concern,
But if you go back to that matchup the Clemson
had against Yukon in nineteen eighty nine with the Tate
George play, I mean it's the same thing or nineteen ninety.

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It's just it's the it's the same exact thing I
think it was, Sean Tyson. You don't even attempt to
really defend it because you're so afraid of fouling, and
you've been taught your whole life don't foul.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
In that moment.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
And the one way that you can assure yourself that
you don't foul is by not truly contesting. And yes,
there was a little bit of the olayed defense if
you will, for all you all you bullfighting, all the
bullfighting references out there. But again, this is a really

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good Clemson basketball team. You can't convince me otherwise. And
I know they are disappointed that they were on the
the wrong side of being down nineteen, coming back right

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and then losing at Alabama, and then they were on
the wrong side of being up twenty two and then
having the team come back against you, and then having
them hold on and win. Like, Yes, they have been
on the wrong side of both of those games. You'd
like to have been on the right side. You'd like

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to have been the team the trail that came back.
You like to have been the team that led and
had the team come back, and then you came around
and found a way to win. Like I under I
think we all understand that you'd rather be on the
other side of that. But I think these games are

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probably important for Clemson for more than the outcome, all right.
I think that when you think about the job that
Brad Brownell has done piecing things together and putting out
a squad that very few people knew about up until

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we've gotten the chance to see them. Now, these guys
are It's a really good basketball team. They're young in
some ways, right, they're young, But I think more importantly,
more importantly, they are a group of guys that are
just trying to find their way and come together. And
because of that fact, every opportunity that they get to

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have some adversity to battle, you know, I think that's
good for this team. And I still think they're an
NCAA caliber team. I think that based off of what
you've seen against Alabama and BYU even in losses, if
you don't recognize that this is different, this this team

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is probably the most fun basketball team that we've gotten
to watch at Clemson since.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I mean, I think certainly the team that made a
run into the Elite eight would be on that list
because that was just a fun run. But I think
I probably go back to some of the teams with
Rick Barnes quite frankly, when I was in college. That's

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the fun that I see these guys playing with And yeah,
are there players that are inexperienced and making mistakes and
potentially putting Clemson in you know, some bad spots from
time to time. Yeah, but that's the growth and that
that will improve. You know, in football, we talk about
this a lot. We talk about that, you know, the

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first part of the season, and then eventually we get
to the point where we go, well, here's the thing.
Those freshmen have to start playing like sophomores.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
And so.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
For those of you that have watched this team, I
think they will continue to grow. I think they will
continue to prove improve and I think because of that fact,
these games, while losses on the schedule, don't have to

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be losses on the season. Okay, I think that these
moments for Clemson can be building blocks that will help
this team play very well. And that would include as
they get closer and closer to the Atlantic Coast Conference

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Tournament and to the NCAA Tournament. And from what I
have seen from these guys, I can assure you there
aren't a lot of teams out there that want to
run into Clemson because there's a versatility. There is a
versatility in this group that every team does not have. Now,

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going back to some of the things late in that
game that were frustrating, the inability to defend the screen
and role and giving up two lobs for dunks, I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's that's inexcusable.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
No matter how athletic the two players are, you got
to do a better job. And I know one of
those I felt like was on Dylan Hunter because if
Dylan Hunter just rotates down a little bit, you slow
up the big from catching the easy lob and it
might have ended up being a turnover.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
And then.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Look, that game to me didn't come down to owe
this foul or the referees or whatever. But you know,
if you go back to how it ended, and yeah,
BYU would have technically still won.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
But you know R. J.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Godfrey had that little bang bang play that lay up
that got reviewed, that got taken off. I mean it's
a little you know, one of the it honestly, it's
a play that before we had replay counts. I mean,
they're not pulling that thing off the board, and maybe
that changes the complexion of how Clemson plays their final

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possession and so on and so forth. But yeah, all
in all, I mean, I think anybody that watched that
I think anybody that watched that game didn't walk away
and go, hey, you know what, I don't like watching
this team.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I did see some people in my comments giving me
the Lucy Charlie Brown deal. Yeah, it's true, Algaebant says,
say it. This is brownew always has been, always will be.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I don't put that game on Brad Brownell. I really don't.
I don't put that game on Brad Brownell because I
really don't feel like there's a whole lot there that
he could have done that would have changed it significantly. Substitutions, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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But I just think it was one of those moments
where BYU obviously had the most talented player on the court,
and their head coach challenged him even though he's a freshman.
He challenged him at the half to be more aggressive offensively,

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and me, just look at the numbers. Aj Dibatansa Let's see,
he goes two of six in the first half with
six points. They were minus seventeen with him on the court.

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In the second half, he goes seven of eleven and
they were plus twenty two with him out there. I mean,
it's not difficult to take a look at that box
score and understand that their strategy changed with him in
the second half. And you know, the the other thing too,

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I think that's at least a positive from Clemson's standpoint.
If you go look at the personal fouls, you know,
you played a game that was pretty tight down the stretch,
kind of scrambling in the second half, and yet nobody

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had more than three personal fouls. And now it's not
always going to be that way. But I do believe
this about a couple of Clemsons, big Man Carter Welling,
Nick Davidson, and even r J. Gottree. I think that
those guys are. I think those guys are. I'm gonna

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say I'm not gonna call them smart, because that's saying
somebody else isn't smart. I think they're crafty. I think
those guys understand situational They very good situational awareness. And
so it's my hope because even if you go back
to like a PJ. Halliday, right, like when PJ Hall

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was playing, how many times did we talk about, you know,
PJ Hall picking up a his third personal foul twenty
feet from the basket. What are you doing, Pj? You
can pick up a foul twenty feet from the basket
if it's your first or maybe your second. You're just

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you're playing a little aggressive early. But when you start
to get into like your third personal foul and the
coaching staff has to think about taking you off the court,
and you picked that thing up for really no reason
at all. Yeah, I don't know, partner, but these guys,

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at least at this point, seem pretty intelligent when it
comes down to that. We'll see if that holds for
the remainder of the season. And obviously things will tick
up rather weekly with acc action just around the bend
for the Clemson Tiger men's basketball team. They will be, however,

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back out on the court Saturday as they face Mercer,
and then they'll host South Carolina next Tuesday up at
Little John Coliseum. Three o'clock tip off on Friday against Mercer.
All right, eight three four five zero zero eighty six.
That is the text line in the phone line. And again,

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you can be a part of the program anytime, any place,
anywhere on our website, clemsonsports talk dot com. All right,
so you've been wondering who else is gonna turn pro?
Well we now know. Overnight, while some of you slept,
Clemson defensive end TJ. Parker put out a tweet that

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he will be turning pro. And so for Clemson, that's
several guys over the past three days who have decided
that they are going to turn pro. Most notably, I
think for the Tigers, I would say that many people
felt like Parker, much like Peter Woods, didn't have a

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you know, didn't have a huge impact this past season.
And I understand that. I'm glad TJ. Parker showed up
for the South Carolina game, though Padna's stats with three
sacks in that game.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I don't think anybody's gonna whine about the fact that TJ.
Parker had his best game against South Carolina. But I
will say that I think it's draft stock absolutely dipped,
and I don't think that he's going to go anywhere

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near where he was expected to go. I don't know
that I can say the same for Peter Woods at
this point. Peter Woods put out a post the other
day with a picture of you know, guys getting triple teamed,
just to kind of show what he dealt with.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
But TJ.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Parker put out a post on social media letting everybody
know that he will declare for the twenty twenty six
NFL Draft. I still have not seen anything about if
these guys are playing in the pen Stray Bowl or not.
I would assume they are not. I think that's a
safe assumption, and that's okay. That's okay. I mean, bowl
games need to be about development anyway. College football playoff

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can be about chasing the trophy. So we'll see what
these guys end up doing. But I would assume they're
not going to play. Nonetheless, we got to hit a
quick break when we come back. We'll here from Brad Brownell.
Following Clemson's heartbreaking loss up in Madison Square Garden last night,
Stay with us Clemson Sports tal on Swamp back with
you on a Wednesday afternoon again, the Tiger's falling on

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the neutral site up in New York City Massive Square
Garden last night against b YU disappointing given how good
Clemson started, as I mentioned, a good b YU team.
Here's Brad Brown, Allen Dylan Hunter.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Following the game, Smith's Dylan and then questions for coach Brono.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
So, coach, whenever you're ready, sway.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
For the mics.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Please you can, I raise your hand.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
We'll get you.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Obviously, Taylor two halves. I thought we played outstanding first
twenty minutes and had them frustrated. Second half, they flip
up the script. You know, both teams capitalized off their
defense and the energy of their defense.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
You know, our.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Defense was not as good in the in the second
which we knew that that. You know, they're they're really
good players and are started making some plays. We didn't
do a good enough job as a coaching staff helping
our players on the offensive end.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
In the game.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
In the second half, I thought we got a little
stagnant there. Little zone press was bothersome and it should.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Not have been.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
I thought we got a little just a little casual
as slowed us down more than it should have. But
credit to them, you know, and I'm proud of my guys.
My guys fought like crazy. I thought the first twenty
minutes we played maybe in our best basketball the season,
had a couple of shots early that we didn't make,
so then it just we felt a little bit of
pressure and uh unfortunately played our heart out when guys

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made some plays down the stress to give us a
chance to go to overtime. To their credit, they made
a pretty tough.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Shot to be is so.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Dylan Hunter, who company Brad Browneill, was asking about what
he thought was the biggest issue the Tigers had in
the second half.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I would say, as.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
The group kind of got stagnant, you know, we were
flowing into our offensive well, and then there's all kind
of did mess up mess us up a little bit,
and then we kind of recrouved the last three minutes
of the team that they got together and fought back Hunger.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Hunter was also asked about aj De Bonsa and what
he felt the freshman, the sensational freshman from BYU did
or how the game changed in the second half.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
Not much, pretty pretty much. He was a good player,
so we know he's gonna make shots down the stretch.
Was a team win, and which is guarding better to bounce?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Dylan Hunter was also asked how he felt Clemson should
have handled some of the pressure, some of the traps
and things that b why you did in the second half.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
What he feels like they should have done differently, I feel.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
Like we broke the press very well. The team, you know,
moved the ball. Yeah, I feel like we handled it well.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Final thing from Dylan Hunter. He was asked about what
it sort of says about the team that they would
give up that twenty two point lead, but yeah, fight
back and give themselves a chance to win it none
the less.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yes, we're a resilient group.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
You know, we're built on toughness and grit, so we
know we know the game's never over. And the guys
I believe as well. You know, coaching steels in practice,
so we believe like no lead has saved, no games over,
We're gonna fight.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Consider him.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's Clipson senior guard Dylan Hunter. He was three or
four from the field, seven points, but his big contribution
came with that last second shot that gave Clipson a
chance to potentially win the game. Brad brown Nell was
asking about Justin Hunter scoring fourteen in the first half
and then just three points in the second half and
what happened there.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, I think a lot of.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Some of that's open court play. I just think, you know,
in the first half, when you're getting stops, it's much
easier for us to get transitioned. But I think he
excels in that area. Obviously, sometimes his size can be
problematic in half court, but when we get out and
get get him down the floor, he can beat.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
People with his speed.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
And I think a couple of those threes for sure
transition shots. The second half, when they're scoring and we're
taking them all out and dealing with the press and
half court execution.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Is much harder.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Brown now was also asked with a loss like that,
what do you do to kind of keep your guys
focused as they move forward?

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Oh, there's focus, isn't the problem? You put yourself in
these games to have opportunities for you know, great wins,
but you also learn a lot right this this is
this is a completely new group for us. We're still
trying to figure out, you know, sometimes at the end
of games, who do we trust. We've had different lineups
and in different games. I don't think we have five

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guys that have clearly separated themselves to like, these are
the guys that always need to be in at the end.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
And I think that's.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Part of when you have so much turnover like we
do and so many new players, that's a big part
of this. So h you know, these are unbelievable opportunities
for our program, for our guys, and for our staff
to learn from from all of it.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Brown now was also asked about defending first the full
court set, then they advanced the ball, call the time out,
then he had to defend the half court set, and
what he thought happened on those final plays.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Their first option was.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
To run a curl action for Saunders around the bonsa
and go for a lob and then try to throw
the ball at the bonsa at the block, and he's
going to score and win the games. We took him
bounder's band and play three on two there to cover it. Unfortunately,
with the other two guys, RJ probably got a little.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Low in his coverage.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
I think he saw the guy looping and felt like
he needed to help on the lob. He probably really didn't,
and then they just kind of ran into space, and
you know, it's a hard situation, like you're not gonna
it's hard to keep teams from getting a shot. It
was probably a little bit of a good look, but
when you watch it on the film, we actually have
two guys kind of right there and you're doing everything

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but filing. So again, it's hard when you have a
great player like the Bonsa. You know, if reguard him
one on one, they're just going to lob it to him,
and now you're just hoping he misses. Fortunately, you know,
that's why Yu was really good. They've got a lot
of good players.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Right David Bret Brothernell was also asked about what the
strategy was from Clemson standpoint went into the game to
defending a guy like aj Debonsa, They're gonna guard him.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
A lot one on one.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
I think, you know, he makes hard shots, takes hard shots.
We did not want to foil him. That was, you know,
point number one. One of the big keys in the
first half was they only shot three free throws. We
were guarding him without filing. I think we had him
a little frustrated.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Thought.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Our guys were playing with tremendous energy. Obviously we were
playing after makes so our defense is always set. In
the second half, we were not always set, so they're
getting momentum.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
And then you.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
Know, he's a great player, so he's gonna eventually find
some rhythm and he made some big plays. I mean
it's hard, like there's you know, you know Saunders, we
guard great tonight and I know he was over seven
from three. He probably won't do that again this year.
That's why these guys are so good. I mean, if
you're poison, there's so.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Many of them.

Speaker 6 (27:02):
We did not want to Bonsa to get free throws.
We were okay with him making some degrees. If you
could shoot him, you only took two, made one, and
we knew he's gonna make some twos. But we were
going to live with that. So I think all in all,
it was decent. Obviously, I didn't need to watch the
second half. There's some plays that he just makes because
he's an elite player. There were some offensive rebounds that
they got he got that really hurt us in the

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second half.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
That'sk Brad Brownell talking about Clemson's last second loss to
number ten b Yu, quick breat We'll come out with
more on a Wednesday, Clemson Sports sal Lawton Swan hanging
out with you here on a Wednesday afternoon. You know,
Notre Dame just won't go away. I mean, these guys
they're like a gnat. And some of the comments that

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Pete Belvekwa, there athletic director, has made have really been
pretty disappointing. And I want to give Brett your Mark
some credit because he he flat out came out and
said Notre Dame needs to be thankful that the Atlantic

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Coast Conference stood up during COVID and supported Notre Dame
and gave them a place and gave them teams to play.
Bavekua said in a press conference that the Fighting Irigs

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were targeted by the a SEC social media campaigns pushing
Miami over a Notre Dame in the college football playoff.
I'll play some of that audio for you from his
pet from his press conference in just a few minutes.
But here's here's the thing. But Butveka and Notre Dame

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have with the ACC is a good partnership in seventeen sports,
I believe, and they have a scheduling deal with football,
but they are not in the conference and they have
some voting rights and they've got a lot of different

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things that they probably don't really deserve. The ACC is
probably leaned in too much. And it's my hope that
what we're hearing from Brett your mark and what we're hearing.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
From the ACC.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Jim Phillips has come out with another statement and a
little bit sounding like he's trying to smooth things out.
And I get all that, But my hope would be
that the power for teams or conferences and the commissioners
just finally tell Notre Dame to get out of here
like Notre Dame. What Notre Dame fails to understand is

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that without the other power forour conferences, you're nobody. You're
playing nobody. See, Notre Dame believes that the Power four
needs them. It's the other way around. Notre Dame needs

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the Power four. And to act as if you're better
than everybody else is ridiculous. Many teams have been left
out of the college football playoff, and many teams have

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had an argument. But Notre Dame and what they did? Now,
I look, might they be, Might they be the best
team in college football?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Maybe? Could they have won a national championship?

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
But they had done it since nineteen what eighty eight?
I was eleven years old. My nephew said to me
the other day, he said, I don't even understand what
the big deal is about.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
They've never done anything. My son who's a junior in
high school, they've never done anything. Made a run or
two to the national championship. Yeah, okay, so they've done
more than South Carolina. Right, they've done more than Old Miss.
But it's not like they've hoisted the golden scepter national

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title on top of national title. And they opted out.
They took their ball and went home. And I think
it's a terrible look not to mention. And we'll go
through this in a minute. You know, the teams.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
That they beat.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
And the conversations about the run that they've been on,
this incredible stretch of games, how tough, you know, the
fighting Irish have been, and what they did. Well, here's
what that ten game winning streak looks like. They beat
a Purdue team who is to and ten. They beat

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an Arkansas team that is too and ten. They beat
a Boston College team that is to and ten. They
beat a Syracuse team that is three and nine. They
beat a Stanford team that is four and eight. They
beat Boise State and Navy, who are not Power four teams.

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They beat a seven and five NC State and eight
and four Pitt in a nine and three Southern col
That's when Baveck was quote, we were shocked and mystified
what happened Sunday. We had one of the most dominant
ten game runs in the history of college football. I

(33:11):
know you're probably thinking swany he there's no way he
said that, and I would agree, like, it doesn't sound
like something that you would think someone would say given
the record. Not to mention now, he was just talking
about those ten games. There were two losses before those, right,

(33:31):
Here's what he said.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
Now, as I said yesterday, as I said on Sunday,
we felt we did everything we could over the course
of the season. You know, we lost our first two games.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
We're not hiding from that.

Speaker 8 (33:42):
We lost against a really good Miami team. We lost
a nail bier against Texas A and M two great
teams by a total of four points. And then we
did everything we needed to do. We had one of
the most ten one of the most dominant ten games
runs in the history of college football. And on top
of it that, we felt that the CFP Committee, the

(34:04):
ranking committee, felt the same way. You go back to
that first ranking where we were six and two and
Miami was six and two and they had already beaten us,
and we were tenth and they were eighteenth. And the
only thing that happened from that point forward is we
both went on these amazing runs, and through no fault
of our own, we wake up and find out that,
you know, we're the odd man out, we're on the

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outside looking in.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
There it was.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
There's the comment again. Three of those teams are two
and ten, one of those teams is three and nine,
one of those teams is four and eight, two of
them are power four. That's not a dominant run. And
final thing I want to say on that front real quick,
we could come back to some more of his comments.
The reason Notre Dame was ahead of Miami at that

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point was because Miami lost later in the year, and
that tends to drop you back as somebody's worked their
way up. That doesn't mean they can't surpass you later,
and that's what happened when they got compared side by side. Unfortunately,
more on the ACC's issue with Notre Dame at this point.
After this final segment of our number one coming up,
Chad Morris joins the program eight three four five h

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zero zero eighty six.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
If you want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Notre Dame and their complaints, the issues that they have.
We played some of the audio earlier if you're just
joining us from athlete Rador Pete Baveck was saying that
you know, Notre Dame had played one of the what
was their wording, We're shocked, mystified by what happened on Sunday.

(35:36):
We have one of the most dominant ten game runs
in the history of college football. And here's what I
will say to the Notre Dame fans that ten games
is not a ten game run that can make you dominant,
by the way, but you can't control who you play
and what their record is this year and how they play.
I mean, you can't. You can't deny that fact. And

(35:59):
I agree, like they can't help that produce bad or
Arkansas's bad, or that Boston College is bad or Syracuse
is bad or Stanford is bad. They can't help that
anymore than Clemson, who to deal with Notre Dame can
help it. If when you know, Clemson needs to get
into the playoff at some point, Notre Dame is bad
that year or vice versa. You know, if if Clemson

(36:26):
was on that schedule, I think we look at Clemson
at seven to five, like n C State and we
go oh, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
A great win.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Clemson is way down this year. It's not a ten
and two Clemson that you beat. But they didn't beat
a single team with ten wins. And if Southern Cal
loses their bowl game, I should say power for a team.
I don't even know what Navy and Boise States record.
Art's insignificant quite frankly to the conversation of dominant. But

(37:04):
you know, Notre Dame felt targeted and they felt like
the Atlantic Coast Conference targeted them. And we'll hear his
comments but Veca's comments on that in a minute, and
your March's response from the Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
But felt like the AEC targeted Notre Dame. Okay, and.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
The fighting Irish and Pete Beveck would need to understand
one thing. It was the AEC football account, which they
are not in the Atlantic Coast Conference in football. It
was the AEC's football account that was putting out the information.
The Atlantic Coast Conference gets nothing if Notre Dame makes
the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
The league gets money if Notre Dame makes the play
excuse me if Miami makes the playoffs. So naturally, it
behooves them to want Miami to be in Secondly, secondly
the fault that well that Miami Not Your Name game
played on ESPN or the ACC network. Jim Phillips doesn't

(38:18):
control what's shown on the ACC network at any given time.
He's not in charge of programming. That's ESPN that's in
charge of it. So here's beveck what talking about his
first social media post and just some of the things

(38:42):
that have gone squarely with the Atlantic Coast conference.

Speaker 8 (38:48):
Saw the first social media post, and my gut reaction
was that somebody in their social immediate department got over
their skis and did something that the ACC was going
to correct. And quite frankly, I was kind of expecting
a phone call saying, hey, sorry about that. It won't
to happen again. But then it did happen again, and
we started to communicate with the ACC texts that I sent,

(39:12):
emails that I sent, and it continued to happen, and
I had a conversation at a phone call with Jimmy
we could go today saying hey, listen, you know that's
a conversation I want to keep between me and Jimmy.
But certainly got the point across that this was raised
eyebrows and you got to know it's caused damage here
between the university and the ACC.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
And so.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
From there he was asked about why they felt targeted.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Well, we were definitely being targeted, and for better or
for worse, we have a different relationship with the ACC
than any other team in college football other than the
teams that are in the ACC, because we're in the
ACC for twenty four sports. We have a scheduling agreement
with the ACC. And again, the ACC does wonderful things
for Notre Dame, but we bring tremendous football value to

(40:08):
the ACC and we didn't understand why you would go
out of your way to try to damage us in
this process.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
And so the ACC.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Has put out a statement on that front as well,
and that comes from Commissioner Jim Phillips and the Atlantic
Coast Conference. I was looking for his exact quote. I
can't find it, so I'll summize it as best I can.
It was basically the fact that the Atlantic Coast Conference

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was not trying to diminish.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Notre Dame. They were simply trying to highlight Miami.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
And in that room, the comparables ended up being Miami
versus Notre Dame and they went with the head to
head on that. But we'll see what ends up happening
out of all this. Oh yeah, Brett, your Mark Okay,
commissioner of the Big Twelve chimed in on this. He

(41:21):
was asked about it. I don't know where he was,
some sort of some sort of forum, if you will.
Here's what your Mark, commissioner of the Big Twelve, had
to say it about it.

Speaker 9 (41:33):
I will say this, and I'm a little lot spoken
about it. I don't like how Notre Dames reacted to it. So, okay,
I think Pete's his behavior has been egregious. It's been
egregious going after Jim Phillips when they save Notre Dame
during COVID. We all knew and it was very transparent.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Hunter was very transparent about it.

Speaker 9 (41:54):
The chair that as Notre Dame in Miami got closer
together to head would be a factor. Okay, b why
you lost They became closer together head to head made
a difference in that in that decision. So I think
he is totally out of bounds in his approach. And
he was in the room I tell him the same thing.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
There you go. Good statement there from your mark, our
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joining us now Chad Morris, former clips A Tiger offensive coordinator,
former head coach at SMU and Arkansas on the program.
Coach Welcome in tough weekend with the loss obviously for
Virginia the Duke in overtime at the ACC Championship game.
Uh but man, I thought Chandler and those guys put

(43:46):
up a heck of a fight to get back in
it and tie it and take it to overtime. I
know you were there. What's sort of been your reaction
over the past four or five days?

Speaker 10 (43:55):
Well, you know, you try not to let one game
overshadow the great season that those guys have had and
very disappointing game.

Speaker 11 (44:05):
You know, we we just you get in those type
of ball games like that. First of all, it's hard
to beat somebody twice. And you know, I felt like
that that Duke was playing. You know, they played loose,
they played nothing to lose, and you know, you know
you saw it. You saw it with fourth down calls,
you saw it with a fake punch, you saw it

(44:26):
with fourth down and overtime, and but you know it
was tough, it was hard. You know, he turned them
by ten with four minutes to go, and uh and
and to take it to overtime. Obviously, it was just
just a maxical moment and just wish we could have
finish it off.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
No, there's no doubt about that. And I think you
kind of mentioned the fake punt and things like that.
That's probably when you're a seven and five team in
a championship game. It probably gave Manny Diaz a little
bit of leeway to play a little or loose, right
Like if if they were attending two team they I

(45:04):
think maybe they play with their cards a little closer
to their vest.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
And kind of hope that they don't make a mistake.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
But he kind of had I guess the advantage of
being a little bit of a gunslinger.

Speaker 11 (45:16):
I think you're right, uh, And I kind of thought
that maybe going in and that he was gonna have
to do some things they hadn't shown, and he did.
You know, you saw him huddle. They haven't huddled all
year long. So their philosophy was, we're gonna we're gonna
shorten the game by huddling, keep keep Virginia's offense off

(45:38):
the field. See if we can't convert some things on
fourth down to keep drives moving. And then they take
the opening drive of the game and and burn ten
minutes off the clock and score and having to go
for it twice on fourth down during that time. So, uh, yeah,
it was, it was. It was a bit of a
gunslinger mentality.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Well, I'm sure if there's anybody that's gonna help, you know,
get that program bounced right back, it'll be Tony Elliott.
What an incredible year for him and an incredible year
for the Cavaliers. And you know, this is the time
of the year, coach where everybody's talking normally about who's
in the college football playoff, But with all the hubbub
out of South Bend, Indiana and the fighting Irish ad

(46:19):
Notre Dame, what have you kind of made of that
whole situation where they get left out? I get being better,
but then turning down a BULLBD just and maybe their
players when they met said hey, we're not gonna play
or whatever. What's your thoughts on what's going on there?

Speaker 11 (46:39):
Well, you know, when you look at everything, and I
completely understand where they're coming from. You know what, what's
the purpose of having all these these college football ranking
shows leading up to the last one? And I completely
understand that where they're at with it, and I agree
with it that I agree, you know, all that other

(47:00):
is just for TV. I guess TV talking, radio talking,
but you know, to to to not play in a
bowl game. I think that was that that that definitely
set a set a statement across college football, and I
think you'll see some changes, whether it's expansion of the playoffs,
whether it's the way the selection happens. I think that's

(47:23):
coming pretty quick. Do I agree with it? No, those
kids have worked extremely hard for it. But yeah, at
the same sense that those kids got together and said
that's it. We're not playing then you you know that
that's just a hard, a hard thing to go through
right there as a program.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
You know what, here's what I suggested.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
And I don't know if you saw my tweet about it,
but I think you know the folks at the Cotton Bowl,
the Orange Bowl, the Rose Bowl, and the Sugar Bowl,
they are amphists and Chick fil A as well, right,
They're all those bowl executives know each other and they're
friends with the people that are in charge of the
pop tart ball, et cetera. All the College Football Playoff Committee,
I think has to say is in order to be

(48:02):
eligible for the College Football Playoff the next season, if
you are offered a bowl game and you do not
accept it, you are not.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Eligible for the College Football Playoff.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
And you know what would happen, Coach, Every game would
get filled, you would have I didn't understand when Florida
State apparently somebody said their team had scrambled like they
didn't know where all the guys were. I'm like, what,
how is this even a thing? Blows my mind?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (48:29):
Yeah, now I think you got I think get a
valid point right there, Lawton. You know that that's something
that you know, would would would would would definitely change
the perspective of getting in an invitation to your Bowl
and accepting it and know that next year if you
decline it, that's fine, that's your choice. But next year

(48:50):
you may be undefeated, but you won't be right allowed
to be a part of it.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Right, you could get in the following year, right because
you wouldn't have gotten offered a Bowl.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
But I mean, I don't know, man, I just think
that it's a.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Bad situation and I hate it because I like the
playoff in a lot of respects Coach, I want to
be honest, but I'm also a guy that grew up
when you did. And I remember what it was like
sitting around watching the nineteen eighty nine Citrus Bowl like
it meant something and it wasn't for the national championship.

Speaker 7 (49:17):
You know.

Speaker 11 (49:19):
Yep, yep, No, I agree, I agree, And I think
I think again, going back to what we said, I
think there's gonna be some changes in the very near
future to this.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Well, I hope so. Certainly.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Chad Morris hanging out with us here on the program today.
The other part of the season that we are now
in for coaches, is the season where players are either saying, Hey,
I'm going to be entering the transfer portal when it
opens up, or I'm gonna go ahead and turn pro
early roster management coach, I would imagine probably in your career,

(49:53):
I would assume that's probably been the thing that's changed
the most. I don't know, I mean, how do you
go into these situations of these players? And when do
the coaches generally sit down with these guys to find
out what their next steps are.

Speaker 11 (50:08):
Well, that's happening right now. That happens right after the
end of the season, you know. And as a coach,
a head coach and a position coach, that consumes every
bit of your time is just to figure out where
your players are, recruit your own players, and and and
so you don't have any surprises. And because that's the

(50:29):
last thing you want as a coach is to have
a surprise that a kid's getting in the getting in
the portal and you had no clue about it. And
so that that those meetings are happening as we speak,
guys not only talking about getting in the portal, but
guys declaring for the draft. So you know your your
roster is constantly fluctuating, and and this the next couple

(50:52):
two to three weeks, or really right now, that this
week and next week is when you find out a
lot about what's happening and what you have to do
as far as filling those spots for the in the.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Portal, Chad Morris hanging out with us here on the program,
and when you have a guy that decides what he's
gonna do, whether that's into the portal or go pro.
I mean, are there are there options like let's say
I'm a kid and I'm sitting down with you, coach,
and maybe I'm hitting the portal? Am I just done
at that moment? Or are there guys that maybe get

(51:29):
to play their final game? Like how how does that work?
Like would you entertain the conversation with the kid that said, Coach,
I'm in a portal, but I'd love to finish my
career and play in this Bowl game?

Speaker 11 (51:40):
I would? You know, I think you look at it
in a way that you know, he started the year,
he wants to finish the year. He's being honest with me,
and and and I completely respect that. I would do
it in a way that that look, you know, I
understand that let's don't let's don't make it bigger than
what has to be. So before we come out and

(52:01):
announce it all over social media. You know, let's let's
let's let's get you through this Bowl game. If that's
what you can do, I'm gonna give you that option
to play. Okay, But you know a lot of these
kids are like, no, I don't, I don't. I want
to go ahead and get it out there now. Then
it that then it then then the circumstances changed to me.
Now if you want to go ahead and start broadcasting

(52:23):
it now, then then maybe it's the best that you
don't play. But I'm going to allow you to get
in the portal. I'm gonna I'm gonna support you if
that's what you want to do. But for our sake,
you and I know that, let's just keep it between us.
Let's finish this Bowl game out and then you you
go do what you have to do. And but that
that again, every every program, every coach is different. Some

(52:44):
coaches are like one the moment you tell them that
you're out, get your stuff, clean your locker out, you're done.
You know, I've just never been that way. I just
I always wanted to to try to, you know, understand
the kid, get the benefit, find out what his rationale
behind it. Is there anything we could do as a
coaching staff better that would help. Maybe it's a relationship issue,

(53:06):
maybe it's playing issue. Whatever it may be, let's talk
about it and let's have a healthy conversation with it.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Chad Morris with us here on the program, giving us
the inside scoop on what it's like to sit down
with a player who is deciding to transfer. And then
from the standpoint of the guys that want to go
pro coach and maybe they're leaving early, a lot of
those guys end up not playing in the bowl game?
Is that advice typically something that they get from somebody else.

(53:33):
Is that the advice you might give a guy, Like
if you had a guy that was a top ten player,
would you tell him, hey, we want you to play
the ball game or how would you maybe handle that.

Speaker 11 (53:43):
Well? I would definitely talk with the parents, you know,
we would have a conversation with me and him.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
And the parents.

Speaker 11 (53:49):
And if you're a top ten pick, if you're a
first round pick, you know, and you know at that point,
I would I would have those and I have I've
had those conversations with kids and said, Okay, what's the
benefit of you playing in this bowl game? Can you
help your stock? Can you help your your You know,
I understand you want to play, you want to finish.
Can you help yourself out? If you can, then let's

(54:11):
do it. But if you can't, Let's suppose something happens
and you did get injured, something happens and it didn't
work out the way you is it gonna hurt you?
And if that's the case, then you want to let's
let's make a Let's make a unless you're in the
college football playoffs, Let's make a big decision here and
see what's best for you as a person. And and again,
as a coach, you understand those things, and you know

(54:35):
and that's you just you don't want to put a
kid and force a kid or talk a kid into
playing in a bowl game. And if something happens, and
it would definitely just you know, as a coach, it'd
be hard and hard to live with.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Chad Moore hanging out with us here for a few
more minutes talking a little college football. Virginia going to
be playing in the Gator Bowl against Missouri. That ought
to be a great game down there. Trevor Lawrence and
the Jacksonville Jaguars. A lot of fun to watch for
Tiger fans, for sure, and I'm sure they keep up
with everything going on at EverBank Stadium. That game seven
point thirty on ABC December the twenty ninth, I believe,

(55:11):
and that the twenty seventh, No. Twenty seventh, Yeah, even yeah,
twenty seventh, And that'll be a busy day because that's
the same day the Tigers are playing Penn State up
in Yankee Stadium. In the Bronx give us a little
insight into Dabo Sweeney. He talked about coach the fact
that you know, he's thrown out the first pitch with

(55:31):
the Chicago Cubs. He's excited about going to this game
at Yankee Stadium and coaching in Yankee Stadium. More specifically,
I kind of feel like I've seen him shoot basketball.
I know he loves football, but coach, I kind of
listening to him, think he's really a baseball guy at heart.
I don't know if he'd admit that, but I think
he's a baseball guy.

Speaker 11 (55:51):
Oh man, let me just say you. He coached the
Orange Crush. Now he coached all those boys he was
and you know, I'll never forget during springball. We would
finish practice in spring and he would be heading off
right after practice. He's be heading the Orange Crush practice
to where he had his baseball team, and okay, he
would come back and we would get the low down

(56:13):
of the tournaments they won that weekend, and just, oh, yeah,
he is a baseball He is a baseball dude. Love love,
he loves all sports. But but yeah, we would get
the biggest laugh out of him and just the seriousness
of about Orange Crush baseball team, because they put some
good teams out there now and he was part of

(56:33):
he was part of coaching them.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
He's a little bit older than you. You're just a
little bit older than me. And and I've talked to
some coaches in the past that are about my age
or even younger about video games.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Does he play video games at all? Or do you
play video games?

Speaker 11 (56:52):
No? No, he's not a video game guy. I'm not either.
I mean, I'll play with a kid, you know, if
I'm going to recruiting visit with him, you know, I
play and and but you know, not not not eat
up with it like some people are Yeah, I'm not
that or is he?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Are there any coaches that you know that do play
like Madden or the n Cuba College Football game? I mean,
would you know anybody.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
That actually plays or are they just too consumed with
the sport to have any time to do that regardless
of downtime?

Speaker 11 (57:23):
No, yeah, yeah, ye know there's now let me back
up on video games. Now, you may get coached and
myself we may play pac Man or something like that
old school you know, you know, uh goa Gallagha or
whatever it is Gallica yeah, yeah, yeah, and or tech Mobil,
the old tech mobile back in the day. Okay, but

(57:44):
uh yeah, yeah, no, but there are there are coaches
that do play and that are serious about it. I
mean then when Madden comes out or when you know,
when uh you know, the college football game comes out
of a sports comes out, I mean, they're they're first
lined up to get it and and download it, and man,
they're gonna be they're they're they're talking it through and through.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I asked Jeff Hafiley about that one time when he
was coaching at Boston College about the you know he
game because he's a younger guy, and I guess the
reason I I was gonna ask you is to just
kind of get an idea or if you've watched Chandler play,
because I'm sure he plays, how realistic are those games
in the playbooks and and all of that, Because you know,

(58:26):
if you talk to people, and I'm going to tell
you in a minute why I think they're very beneficial.
I'll explain that in a minute. But what do you
think about it from the standpoint of the play calling
and the aspects of what you see.

Speaker 11 (58:38):
Well, I think I think, first of all, I think
that they they do a really good job of trying
to get as close to what you run as possible,
and and so they they definitely do their homework. And
so because you'll hear you'll hear kids talking about well,
you know, they ran this or they ran that, and

(58:58):
using the same terminology you.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Know that that we have.

Speaker 11 (59:02):
But I think I think there's some realistic stuff to it.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
So here's where I think it's better. Here's here's where
I know I couldn't call a football game. I know
I couldn't call it offensively, I couldn't call it defensively.
But you know where I think I could out coach
about ninety percent of head coaches in college football the
final two minutes of the week, final two minutes of
the game. I'm better at clock management because I've played

(59:27):
thousands of games, you know, I've been in the final moments,
and I'm constantly like, what are these coaches doing with
the you know, they're watching time dwindle away with a
two minute warning. I'm like, what is going on here?
And then you know, after the game you end up
asking and what were you thinking there? And sometimes I
don't know that they know what they were thinking right there.

Speaker 11 (59:46):
You're probably right, You're as much situational football that that
that occurs each and every week. You know, that's some
of the stuff that gets neglected with a lot of
the coaches. Yeah, but yes, it is so true, you know,
game management the final two minutes of the first half

(01:00:08):
and second half. You know, I do the same thing.
I Mean, I look up and go, what are we what?
What's happening here? Why call the time out? Or let's
kill the ball, let's let's whatever it is, you know,
let's let's use the time out before the two minute warning? Right?
So yeah, yeah, I'm I'm you know, and again I
go back to last week. I thought Tony did a

(01:00:28):
really good job in that last two minutes because he
killed the clock, or we call he called his time
out exprilliance before the two minute warning, had the two
minute warning. We got the ball back with a minute
thirty five and had still had a time out and
we never had to use the time out all the
way to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yep got it, got a penalty that stopped the clock.
There was an injury that stopped the clock. I mean
it all just that whole final drive, you know what.
That's actually now that I'm now that I'm thinking back
on it, That's why I had this down to ask
you about it. Because of that, I was thinking, man,
it's just great clock management. The way it all all
shook out for Tony hate The Cavaliers didn't win it

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and make it into the College Football Playoff, but again
they will face Missouri in the Gator Bowl to be
a big bowl for Cavalier fans, and again Chad Morris
will be there because he's traveling to watch his son
play in every game. Coach, always appreciate you and have
a great week. We look forward to talking to you
next week as we get a little closer to another
Cavalier football game.

Speaker 11 (01:01:27):
That sounds great, and I really really appreciate our visit
this year and look forward to talking next week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
They gots Chad Morris hanging out with us here on
the show Man. What a great segment that has become.
I am, I am saddened by this fact. I don't
know where he'll be coaching next year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I mean, we see coaches moving, you know, talk about
offensive coordinators. Hey, Kendall Briles right coming to Columbia. I
should have asked him about Brile's But anyway, I maybe he's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You never know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Just kind of like, what a great moment to be
able to talk with Chad Morris every week here on
the program, and and kind of knowing it's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Like I got a senior. It's like I got a
senior on the football team. I know he's turning pro.
He's not gonna be with me next year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Stay with us, Clemson Sports Talt, Lawton Swan hang out
with you on a Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
That was Chad Morris, my super senior man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
All right, well we got some breaking news out of Michigan.
Everybody got your Bengo cards. Let me know, did you
have this on there? Michigan has fired head coach Charon Moore.
Statement from Michigan Athletic Director Ward Manual says Michigan head
football coach Charon Moore has been terminated with calls, effective

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immediately following a university investigation. Credible evidence was found that
Coach Moore engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.
This conduct consults a clear violation of university policy, and
Michigan maintains zero tolerance for such behavior. WOWSA. I mean, look, sharme,

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Moore to me is as tied to the scandal that
Michigan had a few years ago as Jim Harbaugh quite frankly,
the whole Connor Stallions deal. Yeah, but man alive did

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not see this one coming. And we can add to
that fact that now this job becomes the most sought
after job on the market, bigger than the job at LSU.

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There will be listen, there will be some names on
this one. Kirk Signetti, but Indiana just paid him ninety
whatever million. Swani, Well, they didn't pay him that, that's
just in the contract and Michigan's got money. I mean,

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the names on this list are going to be huge,
I would assume, I mean out of nowhere. I mean,
I'm not like this is one of those moments like
I've had. I've been on the air before when people

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have died, right, and you're just thrown, thrown for a loop,
absolutely thrown for your loop, thrown for a loop. I
don't even know what throwing for your loop means, but
you get thrown for a loop. And that's that's where
I am with this. Like the names on the list

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that are gonna come out have to be have to
be huge. And my buddy, my buddy is a Michigan guy.
I do I think that's the biggest opening. Like LSU's
job was the biggest, But now with this one though,

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and LSU's one's full, right, I mean, it's taken, and
so this should open up unless they go get somebody
that's not currently coaching. This should open up some domino
effects for coaches around the country. But to me, it is,

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with how the shadow of a doubt, the biggest job
that's been available.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
And do I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Michigan fans have as big an ego about their program
as Notre Dame fans, I don't quite, frankly, and so
I think now this job will man who would be
on the list? I really don't know. Kurt Signetti is

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the first name that jumped out at me because of
what he's done at Indiana in the Big ten, like
that would be that would be number one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Will urban Meyer's name be on this list? Is that
even something? I mean? Can you coach at Ohio State
and at Michigan? I think both.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Shimbeckler was an assistant at Ohio State and actually coached
under Woody Hayes at Ohio State maybe twice. I think
he was a grad assistant there, pulling up his resu,
pulling up his you know, his uh resume or whatever
here uh, and then was an assistant coach there for

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four years. I mean, I'm I'm just racking my brain
trying to think about coaches who would be available. I
see a meme of John John Gruden. I don't think
that's the one. Who does Michigan hire. That's a great question.

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I mean, this one came out of left field. I
don't think anybody expected this one. It just comes a
couple of days after National Signing Day, which begs the question,
what happens to the guys who signed at Michigan, and what,

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if anything, can those guys do to potentially flip the script.
I'll tell you what we'll do. Let me let me
pull up during the break. We got a break coming
up in about a minute. I don't like when live
breaking stories like this happen. Yeah, they're fun for you,
They're fun for you. Michigan hot Board will take a

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look at that. But the fact of the matter is
they're they're a pain for me because I gotta I
gotta start doing some digging. You gotta. He goes a
little deeper to figure out all the ends of the outs,
the recruits reacting to it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Now as this news coming out just about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
About ten to fifteen minutes before five o'clock, So we're
just peeling back the layers here on the situation with
Sharon Moore being fired at Michigan. So we'll talk more
about that when we get back. So keep it a
lot right here on Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred, also

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on the iHeart Radio application.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
It is the Show that Shakes the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
South end rolling along on a now what has become
a wild Wednesday afternoon with Michigan firing their head coach
with cause. If you're just joining us. I'll tell you
about it when we get back. Keep it a lot
read here on Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred, rocking and
rolling along with you here on a Wednesday afternoon. Again,

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if you are just joining the program. Some breaking news,
major breaking news out of the world of college football,
as the Michigan Wolverines have fired their head coach Charme Moore.
Michigan will face Texas in the Cheese at Citrus Bowl

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at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, Florida. That's a three
pm kickoff on ABC. That game takes place December the thirtieth.
Michigan fires Shrommore, with cause Ward Manual putting out a

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statement about credible evidence that coach More engaged in an
inappropriate relationship with a staffer. Biff Pogi will serve as
the interim head coach. I feel like Biff was and listen,
I'm not sure that I can say Biff without thinking

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of one of the greatest movies of all time, and
that of course is back to the futures. But Biff Pogi,

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who was the head coach at Charlotte, I believe, if
I remember his story, is like super super wealthy and
he filled in earlier this season when Charon Moore was suspended.

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He was a hedge fudge. A hedge fudge, that's that's
how hard to say. He was a hedge fund manager
with his father in law. Poggi's company called Samuel James Limited,
was founded in nineteen eighty six and made him a
multi millionaire. And then he just spent the rest of

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his career coaching. Was an assistant at the Citadel, spent
some time coaching the Charlotte forty nine ers. But now
he's back up at Michigan and he was two and
zero for the Wolverines and games he coached this season,
and so now he will be the interim head coach

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for the Wolverines heading into their bowl game. My dad
will loved this little nugget. Poggie got married at Saint
Helena's Episcopal Church in Beaufort, South Carolina. So there you go, Dad,
a little Beaufort reference for you here on the program,

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Michigan's hot Board. Top candidates you know, names to look
at for hiring. One I did think of before we
went to break, but I didn't say it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Kellen de Boer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Kellen de Boer, head coach at Alabama who's done a
pretty good job there. But you know how the Crimson
Todd Faithful are. They're up and down on Deboor, not
to mention the last time you saw them against Georgia,
not leaving the best taste in the mouths of Alabama faithful.

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And what a turn, What a turn this could be
if the Boar were to leave for Michigan. There's belief
in the industry that the job that linked Kiffin.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Covets the most is Alabama.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Could you imagine if this Lane Kiff and saga ends
with him turning his back on LSU to go to Alabama,
assuming that de Boor were to be targeted about Michigan.
Now this is way too early, but still Brian Kelly's

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name speaking of LSU, Brian Kelly's name mentioned as a
possibility given this ties to Notre Dame and and maybe
people believing that he still got got what he did
at Notre Dame in him, Lincoln Riley's name at Southern
cal being mentioned, Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri as a possibility.

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You know, I guess the the other thing about that
Alabama job would be this, Let's say Kellen de Boord
did take the Michigan job and the Alabama job came open.
We always we always say, you don't want to be
the guy that followed the guy. Well, the board just

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placed that buffer down. He just placed that buffer down
for anybody. That wasn't a long buffer, but it was
a buffer. So if you were hesitant about Alabama because
you didn't want to follow Nick Saban, hey, it's all good.

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And maybe maybe that's the one job Nick Saban might.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Be willing to take.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Maybe Miss Terry would let him go back and coach
a couple more years at Alabama. Oh man, what a
wild shift in the landscape. Because this will move names,
This will move names. And if you're thinking about Dabo
for Alabama when I started that down that track, I

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think even for Dabo, that makes that job more That
makes that job more appealing than it was. What twenty
four months ago or whenever that job came open, who
would be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
On that list? Hoh wee boy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
And what did their recruiting look like at Michigan this
past season? Taking a look at it, the Wolverines finished
with the number twelve class in the country with a
couple of five stars, eleven four stars, and fourteen three

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star prospects committed in this class top rated Carter Meadows
and save You on Hider, the running back who was
one of the top backs in the country. Are the
two top commits at Michigan. All right, wait a quick break.

(01:17:14):
When we come back, we'll put a big old bow
on the Wednesday edition of the show that Shakes to
south Lane. Keep it out right here on Fox Sport
Tradio fourteen hundred the Midlands, and of course around the
world on the iHeart radio application.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately?

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
And what have you done? Always are the same. We win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Final segment on a Wednesday afternoon, the biggest news and
it will be news tomorrow, and it will be news.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
It will be news for the foreseeable future. Here on the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Program, Michigan fireshrom war with calls State meant put out
earlier today by the athletic director Ward Manual, saying that
following a university investigation, credible evidence was found that more
engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staffer. So that's

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the biggest opening in college football that we've seen. You
know a name that might be on that list, Tony Elliott.
I mean, I think it would be down their list
a little ways, but hard not to maybe put that
on Tony Elliott as an option. Honestly, I think I'll

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be honest, I think you'd be foolish if you were
a Michigan not to hire Tony Elliott. That would be
a great hire. Can you imagine Tony Elliott with Michigan's
backing and support, Oh buddy, that would be a monster.

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But we talked about the recruiting earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Uh Ricardo Kitchen, a four star edge defensive end, said
it sucks he got fired, but I'm still gonna be
a wolver Rain no matter what. Four star quarterback Peter
Burke says. It sucks college football. It's crazy. Now I
love to coach more so players are chiming in. You know,

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we'll see what what happens. Given the fact that we
just had National Signing Day, the timing on this though wild,
and you almost wonder like if you're a kid, if
you're a player, if I'm a football player. I'm legitimately
wondering if they waited until till after National Signing Day

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to do this, and and I think if that's the case, dude,
I think war manual in the program are wrong for that, right,
Like to me, if you knew a week ago, don't

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you have to go ahead and do that or do
you just play it off as well? We had to,
we had to investigate. We had to get our ducks
in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
What a story, I mean, that's such a big story.
I can't I mean, I don't know. I don't think
I ever got to read.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
You know what TJ.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Parker put out on his account announcing his departure for
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Parker saying, first, I want to thank God for putting
me in this position and guiding every step of my journey.
I'll be ungrateful for my family, my wife, my teammates,
and my coaches for believing in me, pushing me, and
standing by me through everything. Thank you Clemson for taking
in a younger kid or a young kid with big
dreams and helping shape me to the man and player

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I am today. This program, this school, in this community
will always have my heart I'll forever love y'all for
the support, the lessons, and the moments that changed my life.
With that being said, after a lot of prayer and
conversations with the people closest to me, I am blessed
to announce that I will be declaring for the twenty

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twenty six NFL Draft. That's Clemson's TJ. Parker making his announcement.
And now, really, I think the question becomes what other
players decide that they are going into the portal or

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turning pro, what players who are leaving decide to sit out?
And then ultimately I think for Clemson, you know, are

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there guys who opt out? And I don't think you
will have an opt out being a player who's returning,
But who are those opt outs for Clemson and what
impact does that have on this matchup against Penn State
coming up in New York City Yankee Stadium, the Bad

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Boy Mower's Bowl, The Bad Boy Mower's Pen Stripe bull
excuse me? That line still Clemson minus three, So we'll
see how it all shakes out. Clemson and is winning
their last four games to not only get Bowl eligible,
but to get a game above and for Penn State,

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they were three and six. They won their final three
games to get Bowl eligible. Speaking up Penn State, their
former defensive coordinator Jim Knowles I saw just after one season.
Because of the situation there, Knowles is expected to be
hired at Tennessee as their new defensive coordinator. All right,

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we gotta get out of here. We'll have more on
the situation with Sharon Moore in Michigan tomorrow. Until then,
as always, you'll take care now and got Tigers.