The "Michigan Man" Edition

Michigan football fires Sherrone Moore with cause, and hours later, he is arrested as a suspect in an alleged assault.

Episode Transcript

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now the gates here on a Thursday. Man, what a
crazy day it ended up being yesterday. And as I

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told some people that I spoke with after the show,
I know, if I know, breaking news is fun, like
I get it. Breaking news is fun exciting when we're
sitting here and you get the text that says Michigan
has fired their head coach, Aronmore. I mean, that's just

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the nature of the business, that's the nature of news.
The news cycle is more exciting, it is more interesting.
But when you are live and you were doing a
show in news like that breaks. The hardest part about
it is the fact that it's like a puzzle, right,

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we don't get the finished result in front of us
the second that the news comes across. Typically unless it's
a death, and even even a death, maybe doesn't you
know because you might not have what happened. Right, Was
it a car crash? Was it a heart attack? Like
you might not know what happened. That led to the

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issue that we're talking about. And then yesterday, as we're
sitting here and you know, you think, no big deal,
just another day in paradise, another day in the world
of college football. Conversations on the show that Shakes the
South lay Boom. Big news out of Michigan. The Wolverines

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are firing their head coach. And you're a little bit
shocked because now there had been some whispers, not necessarily
online about Sharme Moore and some off the field stuff
like he has a little bit of that. But you know,

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The bigger issue I think for people was that in
a couple of years at Michigan he was sixteen and
eight and quite frankly and actually, if you take away
one game in two thousand and three, he was fifteen
and eight. I mean that was that was part of

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the deal that bothered a lot of people in Michigan.
They finished seventh in the league in his first year.
They finished fourth in the league this past year. Michigan
believes they should be playing for national championships. And some
of the news that Sean Moore was being fired kind
of came out of nowhere for a lot of people.

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And then after we talk about, you know, some of
the names, the possible replacements, guys who were out there
that could fill that role, and one of the great
trolls of all time was I mentioned the fact that
Kellen de Bore could be a name to go to

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Michigan and that would open up the Alabama job, which
would be a perfect job for Lane Kiffin. And other
people are like, well, maybe Kiffin will just go take
the Michigan job. Just call it a day. I will
say this and and you correct me if I'm wrong,
But it feels like this Michigan job could very well

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tell the story of the pecking order of what's the
best job in college football or what are What is
a better job than Alabama? What is a better job
than LSU. I don't know if it is or it isn't.
I don't know what I would do if given the
opportunity to coach at any of those schools. Like the

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pecking order of coaching, I don't know where it starts
and ends, but Michigan has got to be at or
near the top, and it probably surpasses a lot of
those Southeastern Conference schools, whether you agree with that statement
or not. And so now, as college football faithful and

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as fans of college football, we certainly sit and wait
to see what dominoes fall and how many then topple
after that. There's a reason it's called the dominoes, right.
It's a reason people talk about this stuff as a carousel,

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because once this job is opened, somebody else is gonna
feel it. And then it's just it's it's musical chairs.
And how far down the list of those musical chairs go.
And it's a great question to ask, especially given that
one of the biggest chairs, if not the biggest chair

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just became available. Now, what went into the decision to
fire Charon Moore was sort of the part two of
the story once we dug in a little bit deeper
to the statement that came out from the school on

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Wednesday saying Michigan head football coach Romo has been terminated
with cause, effective immediately, following a university investigation. Credible evidence
was found that coach More engaged in an inappropriate relationship
with a staffer now the university, according to reports that

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I have seen since, initially investigated More this fall after
receiving a tip about the situation, but could not find
credible evidence of wrongdoing. However, more information came forward Wednesday
that the source said was overwhelming and led to Moore's
immediate dismissal. So the inappropriate relationship with a staffer ends

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up being the deal, and their speculations about what happened
around their relationship, and so i' meant, you know, we
get this news in the final forty five minutes of
the show yesterday, and we're doing everything we can right
to pull together all the news as it comes in.

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And so from there, what ends up happening is I'm
sitting on my couch at the end of the show
and I get a message that Sharon Moore has been
detained by police, and so you're just like, what so

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that news, and I tweeted man. This escalated quickly. So
Sharon Moore was in custody yesterday in the Washington All
County Jail as a suspect and an alleged assault that
happened just hours after he was fired as Michigan's had

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coach for having a quote inappropriate relationship with a staff member.
Moore was initially detained by the police in Saline, Michigan,
and then turned over to authorities in Pittsfield Township for
quote investigation into potential charges. Then Wednesday night, police released

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a statement saying that they responded at about four to
ten pm to the three thousand block of Ann Arbor
Selene Road quote for the purpose of investigating an alleged assault.
A suspect in this case was taken into custody. This
incident does not appear to be random in nature, and

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there appears to be no ongoing threat to the community.
So the suspect, who we now know is Sharon Moore,
was logged into the county jail penning review of the charges.
They would want to say quote, at this time, the
investigation is ongoing. Given the nature of the allegations, the
need to maintain the integrity of the investigation and its

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current status. At this time, we are prohibited from releasing
additional details. Now Again, at that time, Searan Moore, head
coach of Michigan's name was not out there. Then it
comes out that it was Searon Moore. So what happened

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after the fact, Well, Sharon Moore remains in custody as
a suspect in an alleged assault and will appear in
court on Friday. Authorities have not yet released details about
the arrest other than he remains under investigation. Now, there

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were rumors and in you window and speculation surrounding the
situation online which said that more and again this is
what's been said online about it went to the home

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of the staff member in which he had an inappropriate
relationship and was there threatening to kill himself and the victim,
the girl. Now again that's according to reports online. And

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for sure on Moore, you took a bad day and
made it even worse. And now you go from literally
one of the top jobs in the country to wear

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in an orange jumpsuit at this point, and we'll see
what happens. Listen, here's what I will say about this. Okay,
I still love living in a country where you are
innocent until proven guilty, right court of you know, in
the court of all your peers find you guilty of

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a crime, you're guilty of the crime. So it's all
allegations at this point. But the allegations that are being
talked about online are alleging that he went to this
girl's house, this staffer's home, who, by the way, it
is also alleged online got a huge bumping pay, like

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a fifty I want to say it was like a
fifty eight thousand dollars bumping pay year over year from
year one to year two. That's not peculiar at all
to go from making forty two grand to ninety grand.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
But then this on.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Top of it, And so throughout the twenty twenty five season,
rumors circulated that he was in danger of losing his job.
And as the nine to three Wolverines now know they
will be searching for a head coach ahead of their
matchup against Texas in the Cheese at Citrus Bowl, now

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the question becomes and one of the things that a
lot of people have talked about is the fact that
it is believed that Michigan knew more than they are
letting onto. This is other speculations that's out there right
that he knew more about it, or the LA Department

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knew more about it, and that they didn't want to
fight hire him before National Signing Day, which was a
week ago Wednesday, because they were afraid that the recruiting
class might fall apart. Now the portal opens up for players,

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and the portal will open up again for players shortly.
And I would imagine in this day and age, if
the players who are committed to Michigan, and we read
some quotes from them, some of them yesterday, but I

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would imagine players who would like to get out of
their nils. I would imagine it wouldn't take much of
a court case to go ahead and have that happen
pretty quickly. And players we could probably sign somewhere else
if they wanted to. I mean, I just think with

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the way this whole with the way this whole deal
has worked out, Yeah, I think that you're in a
situation where Michigan's not going to have much of a
dog in the fight. I mean, they're just gonna have
to cower down to anybody that's committed that wants to

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leave now. And maybe there's something else to it, like
maybe there is some ruling that some rule that I
don't know about. Now. Five candidates for the job. The
name we brought up yesterday and talked about Kellen de Boorr.
You know, it's one thing to be at Alabama, it's

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another thing to be at Alabama and follow Nick Saban.
We talked about that, and I would argue that Michigan's
job has not been ripe for the picking like this
in a while, probably probably since John Harbaugh took that.

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Because right now what you have is the coach you
left for the NFL and the guy that followed him
up just flat out face planeted professionally to the point
of where fans are probably embarrassed that they're in this situation.
So is this a situation where if Alabama goes into

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the College Football Playoff and gets knocked out pretty quickly,
that de Boor would maybe turn his attention to Michigan.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I certainly don't think any coach that's in the college
football Playoff today is going to do what Lane Kiffin
did previously, leaving Old Miss to go to LSU. And
could Lane Kiffin be a guy that would go there.
I don't think so. I don't think Lane Kiffen wants

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to coach above the Mason Dixon line. I think he's
perfectly happy where he is now at LSU, and I
think he should have been happy with where he was
at Old Miss. Now another name out of the collegiate
ranks that has been brought up. Remember, I said Tony
Elliott because I think you know Michigan talks about the

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Michigan man, and you know the cheating scandal under Hardball.
Now this scandal which I guess you could you know,
assuming the allegations are true, you could call this a
cheating scandal as well. But you talk about a Michigan man.
Tony Elliott, to me, would be the higher. He's not

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on anybody's list, nobody's talking about him. Some people, even
on social media told me I was foolish for thinking
Tony Elliott. But I know Tony, and I know the
recruiting machine that is Michigan. And if you put a
guy with the character traits that Tony Elliott has at

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a program with the pull of Michigan, you will win.
You will win at a high level. But that's not
the name that I've seen on the list. It's the
other guy that won the ACC championship at Duke, Manny Das.
And if you think about Das and the job that

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he's done there in a short period of time doing
what Miami cutting, and he did coach at Miami, winning
an ACC championship. He was Penn State's defensive coordinator recently
back in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, And
maybe he would be a name that would be on

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that list, But Michigan thinks a lot of themselves, and
I don't think Manny Diaz is a flashy name or
a flashy higher. So there are some other ones out
some other ones out there. Washington coach Jed Fish is
on the list. He was at Michigan coaching quarterbacks and

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wide receivers under Harball in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen.
He's just forty nine years old. He elevated Arizona the
ten wins in an AP eleven, finished at twenty twenty
three before going to Washington when Debor went to Alabama,

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And he might be the guy that they would call.
I talked to a buddy of mine who's a big
Michigan guy, and he said, Nope, none of those. He said,
I'll tell you who I want. I'll tell you who
I think we're gonna go after, and I'll tell you

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what my buddy said when we get back. Keep it
a lot right here on Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred
ten on the iHeartRadio app Lawton Swan Clemson's Sports saw
back with you here on the program, we were talking
about the situation up at Michigan. I was listening to
somebody that covers their program during the break talking on television,
and what they said was that the recruits, because the

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portal window will open, those guys that signed will be
able to go find new homes if they want. Now,
I don't know how many of them will. I don't
even know the rules on that exactly. I'm assuming this individual,
I mean, he works for the athletic knew more about it.
I can probably throw it in the Google machine and

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check it out. But anyway, I'll tell you what my
buddy told me when I asked him about, you know,
who he would want to be the next head coach
and he said that if it were up to him,
he would look at the Los Angeles Chargers defensive coordinator
Jesse Mentor. Jesse Mentor received a one year show cause

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recruiting penalty for recruiting violations while on hardball staff. Now
that expires in just a couple of days, I think
December the fifteenth. He also worked closely with Connor Stallions,
the staffer at the center of the signal stealing scandal.

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But people believe more than anything, Mentor projects to be
a candidate for some NFL jobs. He was a finalist
for the Broyles Award back in twenty twenty two. He's
the son of college coach Rick Mentor. He's never been
a head coach, but he's still a young guy and

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has ties back to Michigan, and that's where my buddy
would want them to go. Now for me, I don't
know about going and getting a guy who has ties
to the Connor Stallions situation. If there's one thing that
Charyon Moore deal might do for Michigan though, shout out

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to Wolverine Nation, is this is such an embarrassment now
your coach getting arrested and the way this thing played out,
maybe this becomes a bigger story than the cheating that
took place that helped lead Michigan to a national championship.
You'll never convince me that that's not part of the

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reason that they won the national championship. You'll never convince me.
And so those are some of the names that are
out there. But yeah, Tommy Reese is another one. Tommy
Reese was the quarterback under Brian Kelly. He's the Cleveland
Browns offensive coordinator. He's super young, thirty three years old.

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His name potentially being one that people are looking at
now for the players. The players remember quarterback Bryce Underwood
was the number one overall recruit a year ago and
he signed with Michigan over LSU. And it would beg

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the question with a guy like that and the ability
down to go into the portal, and he had the
ability to go into the portal anyway, but would the
top overall recruit in the country a year ago make
a move. Six four, two hundred and twenty eight pounder
from Detroit had a decent season this past year, twenty

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two hundred and twenty nine yards, three hundred and twenty
three rushing yards, fourteen touchdowns with eight turnovers, and again
Michigan went nine and three with a freshman quarterback. I
mean it's not Trevor Lawrence, it's fifteen to zero, but
I mean it's nine and three in a bowl game.
Could lead you, could lead you to a ten win season.

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And we talked about the guys yesterday that they have
committed and Savean Hyder one of the top running backs
of the country. Well, Justice Haynes is there, one of
the top running backs a couple of years ago who
got there by way of Alabama. Jordan Marshall is a

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sophomore running back that ended up being the fifth leading
running back or rusher in the Big Ten this past
year with nearly one thousand yards and ten touchdowns. They've
got playmakers all over the field. And with that, I
think the question truly becomes, what do these guys end

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up doing and what is the long term impact on
Michigan Because I think players, as much as they like
to leave, I think certain programs and I think Michigan
would be one where the players would expect that a
name that gets brought to the forefront is a name

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that can win. I do not think everyone you know,
every player on that team will just bail because I
don't know that there are many schools out there that
you would say, hey, that's a bigger name than Michigan.
Michigan is still a big name. I don't deny that.

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Do not deny that fact at all. But and it's
a big butt. If you hire the wrong guy, you
potentially diminish the brand to the point where players or
you know, recruits might say no, Like, I don't think

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you can just hire any old person, Like I think
you got to hire somebody that makes a big impact.
And so, man, with this story being what it is
at this point in the year, with the ball season

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on the horizon, this one's gonna be one that we
will definitely be following a zero three four five, zero
zero eighty six text line, phone line, be a part
of the program anytime, anyplace, and of course anywhere. One

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of the things that I want to take a look
at the with you speaking of bowl games is that
exact thing, the ball matchups. Like, we have not talked
about the bowl games at all, and so we're gonna
do that when we get back, and I'm gonna give

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you an update on our schedule. You may not realize this,
but with the holidays approaching, we got a little different
schedule than usual, and so I'll give you a rundown
of all the bowl matchups and more. And you won't
believe this, but we got a bowl matchup coming up
Saturday already. We actually have a couple in the midst

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of all of this. We got bowl games right around
the bind. I mean technically speaking, people, is ball season, baby.
I'll tell you what's coming up right after this. Keep
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A and M at Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta in
the Cricket Celebration Bowl. That's gonna be kicked off at
noon on ABC, then at eight o'clock on ABC from
SOFI Stadium out in Inglewood, California. It's the Buckled Up
LA Bowl between Boise State and Washington. The Boise State

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in Washington face and off this weekend. Those bowl games
getting underway, and of course this weekend you also have
the final regular season the final regular season game at
three standing alone Army and Navy from M and T.

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Banks Stadium in Baltimore, Maryland, where Navy is favored by
six points going into that ball game. So Army and
Navy facing off Saturday on CBS. Now for the rest
of the bowl games that we've got coming up, and

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every name that I mentioned here is legit, and let's
not forget that. In the midst of this, we also
have first round games that kick off next Friday, December
the nineteenth, first out to the College Football Playoff, Right,
But on Tuesday, you get Troy versus Jacksonville State in

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the IS four S Salute to Veterans Bowl that's in Montgomery, Alabama.
That's a nine o'clock start next Tuesday on ESPN. Then
on Wednesday, December the seventeenth, we get Old Dominion in
South Florida facing off at Camping World Stadium in Orlando,
Florida for the Staff DNA Cure Bowl. That's a five

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pm start on ESPN. There's also an eight thirty start
next Wednesday as Louisiana and Delaware wll face off in
the sixty eight Ventures Bowl. Should have been the sixty
seven Ventures Bowl, right, Kids, six seven, six seven, that's
at the Hancock Whitney Stadium in Mobile, Alabama. Sorry, if

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you had teenagers in the car and you just had
to deal with that, if they go six seven, you
just look at them like the Grinch does and go
eight nine and get it out of the way. Knock
it out. Just got a text message from Tim Bray.
He said, g do we have anything to talk about, right,

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can't wait to talk with Tim about that whole situation.
They'll have an interesting perspective as a Notre Dame graduate.
But that's the sixty eight Ventures Bowl next Wednesday. Then
next Thursday, you got the Xbox Bowl between Missouri State
and Arkansas State. That's at Ford Center at the Star
in Frisco, Texas. I believe that is the practice facility

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for the Dallas Cowboys as a nine o'clock tip off
or kickoff on ESPN two. And then on Friday at
eleven am. December the nineteenth, you get Kansas State versus
Western Michigan from over at Brooks Stadium in Conway, as

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the Myrtle Beach Bowl presented by Engine takes place at
eleven am on ESPN. Then the Union Mortgage Credit Gasparilla
Bowl between Memphis and NC State at Raymond James Stadium
in Tampa, Florida is at two thirty on Friday. Then
the night cap on Friday will be the lone College

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Football playoff game at Norman, Oklahoma's Memorial Stadium eight pm
on ABC. It'll be number eight Oklahoma versus number nine Alabama.
Then on Saturday, December the twentieth, you have no bowl games,

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but you get the other three College Football Playoff games
as Number ten Miami is at Kyle Field taking on
number seven Texas A and M. That's a noon kickoff
on ABC from College Station. That's December the twentieth. I
think you've got number eleven two Lane versus number six
Old miss That that's at Vault Hemingway Stadium in Oxford.

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That's three thirty on T and T. And then James
Madison versus Oregon at Alston Stadium in Eugene. That's seven
thirty on T and T. So what did I just
basically tell you? The final two games of College FOOTBA
Playoff are probably the College Football Playoff first round probably
gonna be boring. So plan accordingly to take your wife
out on a date December the twentieth, because the games

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will be on, but they probably won't be interesting. After that,
we bounce back into bowl games on Monday with the
famous Idaho Potato Bowl between Washington State and Utah State.
That's at Albertson Stadium in Boise, two pm on ESPN.
And then on Tuesday, December to twenty third, you get

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the Bush's Boca Raton Bowl of Beans. Another like a
Bowl of Beans between Toledo and Louisville. That's Flagler Credit
Union Stadium in Boker Raton, Florida. That's two pm start
on ESPN. That same day at five thirty you get
Western Kentucky versus Southern mist of the New Orleans Bowl
at the Super Dome down in New Orleans. And then

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that evening at nine pm, you get the Scooter's Coffee
Frisco Bowl between UNLV and Ohio that's being played at
the Star as Well out in Frisco, Texas. Then on Wednesday,
Christmas Eve, cal and Hawaii and the Shared in Hawaii
Bowl as col will fly out to Honolulu to face

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off with Hawaii. That's an eight pm start on ESPN.
Then you got Christmas Day, and I'll give you the
rundown of what you got post Christmas on the program
when we get back. Plus, don't forget Tim Burray joined
us in an hour number two of the show. Always
appreciate Tim coming on the program, and we'll have a

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whole lot to get to with him on the program
as we roll along right here on Fox Sport. Treading
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tim Beray in longtime Clemson sid joins the program. Were we.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
You know?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
He texted? He said, yeah, anythink we got anything to
talk about? Holy moly, do we have something to talk about?
Obviously Notre Dame and that whole situation has got to
be top of the docket. Clemson and BYU and the

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way that meltdown took place in the Mecca in Manhattan.
Then I think, you know, the early entries into the
NFL draft, and obviously the Michigan situation, and you know
the coaching carousel that is I think going to continue

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because of all of this. Eight oh three four five
Oho the seer Rosier eighty six as the text line
in the phone line. All right, let's see where do
we leave off going into Christmas? Right? So Christmas Day
no bowl games. Friday December of the twenty sixth, you

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get the game above Sports Bowl that's Central Michigan versus
Northwestern at Ford Field in Detroit, one pm on ESPN
at four point thirty, you get New Mexico versus Minnesota
at Chase Field and Phoenix in the Rate Bowl, and
then at eight o'clock from gerald Ford Stadium in Dallas,
you get Florida International and University of Texas San Antonio

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in the SERB Pro First Responders Bowl. Saturday, December of
the twenty seventh is a huge day. Games all day.
That's gonna feel like you're old, you know. January first,
December thirty first kind of day. You got the Go
Bowl and Military Bowl between Pittsburgh and East Carolina from Annapolis,

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Maryland at eleven on ESPN, then at noon on ABC,
Clemson and Penn State from Yankee Stadium for the Bad
Boy Mowers Penstripe Bowl. And I would say the good
thing about that is for the Clemson Faithful, you kind
of have an open schedule because you don't have another
game until the Wasabi Fenway Bowl at Fenway Park in

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Boston between Yukon and Army at two fifteen, So you
got about a two hour and fifteen minute maybe two
and a half hour window where it's basically just you
and obviously you're going up against Pittsburgh and East Carolina.
But I think Penn State Clemson will win the day
on that one, then at three thirty the Pop Tarts
Bowl between Georgia Tech and BYU from Camping World Stadium

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in Orlando. Then you got the Snoop dogg Arizona Bawl
between Fresno State and Miami of Ohio from Arizona Stadium
in Tucson. That's gonna be four thirty on the c
W at five forty five on ESPN. On the twenty seventh,
you'll have the Islita New Mexico Bowl between North Texas

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and San Diego State from Albuquerque. Then at seven thirty
Tony Elliot and Virginia versus Missouri the tax Layer Gator Bowl.
We talked about that one yesterday with former Clemson offensive
coordinator Chad Morris. You got the Kenders Texas Bowl between
LSU and Houston and NRG Stadium in Houston, nine fifteen

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on ESPN. Then on Monday of the twenty ninth, to
get the j LA B Birmingham Bowl between Georgia Southern
and NAPS State from Proactive Stadium in Birmingham, two pm
on ESPN. Then on Tuesday you get a slate of
Game Central Excusey Coastal Carolina versus Louisiana Tech. And the
Radiance Technologies Independence Bowl in Shreveport two PM on ESPN,

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you got the Liberty Mutual Music City Bowl between Tennessee
and Illinois at Nissan Stadium in Nashville. At five thirty
on the thirtieth. You've also got at nine o'clock on
the thirtieth the Valero Alamo Bowl between Southern cal and
TCU from the Alamo Dome in San Antonio. Then on Wednesday,
December thirty, first at noon, you got Iowa versus Vanderbilt

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for the Reliaquest Bowl. Then Arizona State versus Duke at
Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl. That's perfect for the Sun
Devils out now Pesso. That's two o'clock on CBS. You
got the Cheese At Centrus Bowl between Michigan and Texas
at three pm on New Year's Eve on ABC from
Camping World Stadium in Orlando. Then at three point thirty,

(39:47):
you've got the SRS Distribution Las Vegas Bowl between Nebraska
and Utah from Allegiance Stadium in Las Vegas. That's three
point thirty on ESPN. Then we bounce back to the
College Football Playoff because at seven thirty on the thirty
first you'll get the Cotton Bowl between the winner of

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Texas A and M and Miami versus Ohio State. Then on
New Year's Day, everything is reserved for those three college
football playoff games, as you'll get the winner of James
Madison and Oregon versus Texas Tech, and the Orange Bowl.
You'll get the winner of Alabama Oklahoma versus Indiana in

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the Rose Bowl. You'll get the winner of Tulane and
Old Miss versus Georgia in the Superdome at the Sugar Bowl.
Those kicktimes noon, four and eight pm. Then we bounce
back into the leftovers and what's remaining of Bowl Madness. January,

(40:52):
tewod the Lockheed Martin arm Forces Bowl between Rice and
Texas State from Amon Carter Stadium in Fort Worth at
one pm on the eight. A little later on Friday,
you get the All THEO Zone Liberty Bowl between Navy
and Cincinnati from Memphis. That's four point thirty on ESPN.
At eight pm, you get Wake Forest and Mississippi State

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and the Duke's Mayo Bowl from Bank of American Stadium
in Charlotte. And then the final bowl game, the Trust
and Will Holiday Bowl between Arizona and SMU from Snapdragon
Stadium in San Diego. That's an eight o'clock kick on Fox.
So what does that leave you as a fan of
college football, Well, nothing left but the college football Playoff

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semi finals. The Fiesta Bowl will be played on January eighth,
the Chick fil A Peach Bowl will be playing on
January ninth, and then the National Championship Game from hard
Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, Florida, on January the nineteenth.
And that's what bowl season looks like. It begins in

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two days, it concludes in five weeks, and there's a
lot of shaking going on, speaking, a lot of shaking
going on, Me and Tim Bray talking it all out
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welcome in. Not a whole lot to get to today.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Huh, I'm going on at all?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Huh man, I don't even know. I don't even know
where to begin. I think the biggest story until yesterday
with Michigan situation was that of the Notre Dame Fighting
Irish not only being left out of the college football Playoff,
but then also declining an opportunity to play in a

(44:10):
bowl game, which would have been a really good batch
up against BYU, who would have been the last two
teams left out of the college football playoff. A lot
to kind of break down on this whole front, So
I'll begin with what were your initial thoughts when the
Fighting Irish were the team that were left out?

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Well, I was very surprised, as most Notre Dame people were.
When you've been ranked ahead of a team for five
straight weeks and then you don't play a game and
they don't play a game and they jump you, and
then Alabama, I like Franklin's on Notre Dame would be
ahead of Miami and Alabama. I mean I could see

(44:51):
the point with Miami, you know, being at a Notre
Dame because they on't had to head although we talked
about nineteen ninety three. You know last week when and
Florida State had Florida State was the national champion in
the final uh, in the in the final vote. But
you know, I really was shocked Alabama didn't drop at all.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
You know, just kind of turns my stomach when Kirk
kirk Street says, well, Alabama had the best win of
the year. They're the only team in the top eleven
to lose to a team that has a losing record,
and it's the second straight year that's happened. Now, last
year it got them and they didn't get in the playoffs,
but this year, you know, losing to a five and

(45:34):
seven Florida State team that was really bad. They'll you know,
the last eleven whatever the games after that game, so
that really, you know, soured Notre Dame people a lot,
and the players and the coaches, and I know for
a fact when the when the players had their vote,
and they I think they had a vote. I believe
they had a vote with the captains and so that

(45:58):
that way they could have the freedom to to you know,
have their feelings known. And apparently it was a one
hund vote not to play in the bowl game. And
so if you've got a team that doesn't want to
play because they felt that they had gotten screwed, then
I understand why they're not playing in a bowl game

(46:20):
because and on top of that, I'm sure end or
twenty of the players wouldn't have played. So you would,
you say, have a great matchup, but it wouldn't have
been a great matchup, but it would been second or
third stringers against whatever b way you would add.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Now, some people will say that I'm you know, I did.
I'm sort of living in this like Pollyanna world about
this whole thing. But here here's here's what I would do.
And I tweeted this out. You know this tim from
being around bold executives and the individuals that are involved
in these things, they're all buddies. And that's regardless of

(46:58):
if you Now, I do believe that the ones that
are a part of the college Football Playoff are closer
than maybe the guys that are running you know, the
Wisabi whatever Bowl. But I just think to fix this
issue and for teams that don't make the Collge Football Playoff,
the bowl game should probably start to be more about

(47:18):
the next year, and there should be a little addendum
to the college football Playoff rules that say if you
qualify for and are extended in invitation to a fellow
bowl game, you know, if you don't go, you're not
eligible the next year for the playoff. Now, if you're

(47:40):
four and eight and you're not eligible for a bowl
game and you don't get extended and offer, obviously you're
still eligible for the College Football Playoff next year. But
teams who are eligible for bowl games that get offered
spots if they don't go, I think the playoffs should
say you can't be in the playoff next year. And
you know what that would solve people sitting out of

(48:01):
these bowl games. Notre Dame would go play that game
and they would run out Whoever you know, if if
Jeremiah Love sits out, that's great. But to be eligible
next year for the playoffs, you have to have played
in And you know, if you've been extended in invitation,
would you be in favor of something like that to
keep Bowl games meaningful?

Speaker 5 (48:22):
I mean, I guess that would be the only way
to uh to do it. But I you know, I
would think somebody would Well, I don't know, there's lawsuits
all over the place, but I just you know, forcing
a team to play a game it doesn't want to play,
I don't know, that just doesn't seem you know, because

(48:43):
football is different from basketball. Football is a violent sport,
and so you know, forcing forcing a team to play
a game they don't want to play in football, that's
kind of dangerous.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I would I would say for them, you can pass
all being in the playoffs the following year. You you
wouldn't get a Bowl invitation. You would just sit out
a year, you know, I mean, there's a consequence for
your action.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
I don't know. It seems to me that just if
you're you should have the freedom to not playing a
game if you don't want to play.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Don't the commission.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Team so different? The teams the next year are so different.
I mean, you know, Clemson probably have fifty new players
on its same next year. So you're gonna you're gonna
penalize a team next year that is playoff worthy because

(49:38):
fifty guys on the team the last year didn't want
to go. It doesn't seem right either.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Tim Bray's on Twitter at Tim Bray hanging out with
us here on the program and so from there, Tim,
what has been sort of the fallout of all of this.
I've you know, when I look at the the future
of college football, I don't think that Notre Dame can
continue to live on an island of independence because I

(50:06):
think there's going to be a fourced entry coming for them,
because the option that the power for could give them
legitimately is you either come join us or you're just
gonna have to schedule group of five teams and you're
not going to be a part of everything that's going on.
And I think that's gonna end up happening at some point,

(50:27):
because I don't think Notre Dame has value if they
don't have teams that will play them.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Yeah, no, you're right. If they can't play a team
that you know, that that would have happened in twenty twenty.
That's when they get upset me about the Notre Dame
athletic director, you know, and his you know, rant against
the ACC. You should have at least acknowledged that in
twenty twenty the a SEC dave Notre Dame season. That
would have happened in Notre n in twenty twenty because

(50:56):
all the conferences didn't play non conference games, So Notre Name,
I guess, would have played Navy and Army and Air
Force and I don't know who else they would have
played if the AEC didn't agree, you know, to play them.
So I mean, you know, that should have been should
have been acknowledged. So I don't know what's gonna happen.

(51:16):
I know Notre Dame is disappointed, has been disappointed with
the schedule of ACC teams that it plays. I know
it's on a set rotation basis, but you know, a
lot of the a SEC team's Notre Name has played
this year or in previous years haven't been very good
and and so it's kind of hurt their their schedule.

(51:40):
So but you know, obviously the alternative for them is
to is to is to try to play other play
If they were to get out of the a SEC contract,
they'd still have to try to schedule games with you know,
the ACE, with the Big ten and UH and the
SEC or whatever. And you know, I don't know that

(52:00):
they're going to play them because they're adding teams now.
So if Notre Dame tries to tries to pull out
of its contract with the ACC, I don't know who
they're going to lay.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think they'd be foolish
to not try to get into the ACC because I
think you can win this league. You can be one
of the teams that gets in the playoff. You could
be the second best team in a given year as
Notre Dame in this league and get in. And where
they are now, even though they've got a lot of perks,
I don't know that there's enough payoff with those perks

(52:32):
that some of the other bigger teams get by being
in conferences. We'll see if Notre Dame makes a move.
That would probably shock people, but I think it would
probably be best for them and the Atlantic Coast Conference.
And obviously they got a great twelve year deal coming
up with Clemson, which is supposed to help bolster both
of these two teams. Resumes again tim Berray hanging out
with this year on the program. We'll keep it with

(52:54):
college football for a minute, Tim because at the beginning
of the year, if I had said you, hey, Timpson,
Penn State, they're gonna be playing in the playoffs, you
would have probably said, are we going to Happy Valley
or we going to Death Valley? Instead, we got to
go to New York City for this matchup in Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Some people are underwhelmed by the fact that these two teams,
you know, aren't in the college football playoff. But if
you're asking for a good matchup in terms of name,
I think Clypson fans have it.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Oh yeah, I know. I mean, you know, if if
all the bowl games outside of the playoffs are insignificant,
I'd say this was a significant matchup, at least from
a historic standpoint and where the teams were. People looked
at him from a talent standpoint. When the season began,
we were both in the top five in the preseason poll.

(53:44):
So now, how many of those talented players are gonna play?
I don't know, because you would think if you were
an announced you were a turn going pro that you
wouldn't play. So I think there's gonna be at least
more Clempson prominent players who aren't gonna play, and there
may be more to come. So and I know Penn
State will probably lose a couple two, but yeah, I

(54:06):
mean it's Yankee Stadium, it's Clemson versus Penn State. So yeah,
I'm kind of interested to see it.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, and I think two for either fan base. With
the way the season has ended, Penn State on a
three game winning streak, Clemson in the four game winning streak.
You talk about like that the next year. The teams
are completely different, but man, it does feel a lot
different if you can go into the postseason off of
a win. How valuable do you think something like this

(54:34):
could be for the Tigers if they do get a
victory over the Nitney Allions.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
Oh yeah, without a doubt. You know, your your last
game of the season. It's just you know, but you
you know how you're going to feel about your program
going going forward. You know, in nineteen eighty we were
five and five going the last game against South Carolina
wasn't a bowl game, but it was the last game,
and we beat a ranked South Carolina team, and then

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at momentum just carried on to the offseason. Then we
ended up winning the national championship in nineteen eighty one.
We've seen it, excuse me, in recent years. You know,
we won the bowl game against LSU and the Peach
Bowl and beating Ohio State and the Orange Bowl and
then beating Oklahoma in a bowl game. Those all were

(55:21):
good carryovers into the into the next season. You know,
I think this will be a game that people watch.
I mean it's noon on Saturday to December twenty seventh,
it's the kind of the first game of the weekend,
so you know, I think it will kind of be
a highly rated game, but they could be able to
tune in.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, I said the same thing earlier. And you have
about a two and a half hour window. I think
you're going up against East Carolina and somebody I can't
remember out the top of my head, but you know
there's like a two and a half hour window where
you're pretty much the big game in town. So we'll
see how that all shakes out. With Tim Berray hanging
out with this year on the program, I posed the

(56:00):
question on social media earlier this morning. Tim Clemson's had
I think now announced three early entries into the NFL draft,
Avion Terrell, t J. Parker, and Peter Woods.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
And Williams say that again, Williams.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Oh yeah, and Antonio will yeah yeah yeah. On the
defensive side of the ball. I should have I should
have prefaced prefaced my statement on the defensive side of
the ball though, which one of those three guys would
be the toughest to replace?

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Oh, without a doubt at Terrell. And now, now we
did beat South Carolina without him in the in the
second half, which, as I look back, that was kind
of a miracle, but we did. And so you know,
it'll be an opportunity for somebody to uh to step up.
But you know, I think Therell's gonna be a first

(56:54):
round draft pick and and you know whoever is his
replacement is not and so but you know it will
be that kind of an opportunity. And they say we're
going to be kind of limited at defensive end. Also,
I think we've got some other tackles who will be
able to play. I think Adams will be in in

(57:15):
good shape. And then on the offensive tide, Tyler Brown,
you know, he just hadn't gotten to play this much
this year, and Coach Ween you just said, well, he's
behind Williams, not going behind Williams this game, So I
think we'll see a lot of him.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, just think it through, you know. For me, you know,
I'm wondering. And the numbers, kind of his numbers look
a little bit more like Tyler Davis with Peter Woods
than they do look like Christian Wilkins or Dexter Lawrence.
But I'm wondering, you know, because I feel like as
much as I've been around this game, Tim, I still

(57:51):
get caught up in kind of ball watching. I'm wondering
if Peter Woods because when I hear and read what
the scouts say about him, like they love his aggreation
in the way he plays with his hands, and and
then he tweeted out I think it was yesterday he
put out on his Instagram or Twitter, you know, a
video where he's getting like triple team. And I'm wondering
if you know he's better than his numbers indicate, and

(58:14):
and that'll be something I would have picked Peter Woods.
But multiple people going with Amy on Terrell supporting your
answer as well. All right, final thing.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Because you have so many big plays that in the
past play situation. So you know, if his replacement makes
a mistake, it could be a forty yard game. If
Peter woods Is replacement makes a mistake, hopefully Sammy Brown
will make the dack loon just be a five yard game.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's a good that's a good point. That's fair. All right,
let's talk about this Clemson basketball team. You know, two
heartbreaking losses that come from behind loss at at Alabama
and the acc SEC Challenge. But then what happened in
Madison Square Garden where you go on a twenty two
oh run. I think you lead by twenty two at
one point in the second half, and BYU ends up

(59:06):
storming back and winning that game, but you almost get
into overtime. Just give me your thoughts on what you saw.
I kind of put out a tweet saying that that's about,
you know, my life in Clemson basketball. Like this great run,
you feel good about things and then you kind of
get slapped in the face and then you're back to reality.
But I still love this team. I think there's a

(59:28):
lot of promise in what we see from this Clemson
Tiger basketball team.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
Yeah, we've had some wild swings from half to half
this season, and obviously the last two games have been
a perfect example. That was kind of a come from
behind loss and a come from a head loss against
Alabama and BYU. Now, of course, you know, and so

(59:53):
the beginning of the season said, Okay, you're gonna start out,
you're gonna be seven to three, you're gonna be West Virginia,
and you're gonna be Georgie. You know, probably the Georgetown
game was going to be a toss up. The other
two games, you figure you're going to lose. And if
you say, well, would you take a six point loss
at Alabama and a loss at the Buzzer to BYU

(01:00:13):
and Madison square guard, and I'd say, well, okay, we
didn't get blown out in any of those games, and
we were right there with him in the inside the
last couple of minutes. But you know, the the the
b YU game was just so frustrating because it was
such an opportunity to have a twenty one point lead
at the half. I told Don Munson on the plane

(01:00:37):
coming back, I said, that was the that was the
best best half of the year and then the worst
half of the year. And at the end of the season,
we'll say the same thing at the end of the season.
That'll be our best half and our worst half. It
was just unbelievable that you could outscore the top ten
team at a neutral site by twenty one points get

(01:00:58):
a magice. We lost the game in which we had
a twenty one and nothing run. I mean, it's just unbelievable.
And then we go two for twenty to start the
second half, you know, from the field and missed a
lot of easy shots. I mean, one that jumps out
to me is Davidson's on the baseline. He's got a
four foot on the baseline and he shoots an airball.

(01:01:18):
You know. After the first half, he you know, made
some terrific shots and tough moves inside. So just bizarre,
and but it was frustrating that I'm kind of glad
it didn't happen in the middle of the ACC season
that we get back on track this Saturday against Mercer,
who's a good team. By the way, Mercer actually has

(01:01:38):
a higher net rank in the Georgetown does.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
One of the funniest things I saw the whole time
was the fact that there was a tweet that said
Brad Brown nills halftime speech and It was the clip
of Shane Biemer pumping up the crowd. It takes a A
and M. I spit coffee. All right, Tim, we'll talk
to you next week.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
I was good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
So there you go. That's Tim Bray hanging out with
this year on a Thursday afternoon. Great insight there into
Clemson and BYU. Yeah. I can't remember who tweeted that,
and they didn't tweet it at me. I think it
might have been in Clemson's official account. Kudos to you
because that was hilarious to put that Shane Beemer moment
in there. All Right, we'll be back Clemson Sports, Salt,

(01:02:23):
Law and Swan. That was Tim Bray before the break
eight three four or five zero zero eighty six. All right.
So I want to go back to my comments that
I made after the Notre Dame situation and what I
just taught with Tim Bray about a few minutes ago
about why I think it's important that the Sugar Bowl,

(01:02:48):
Cotton Bowl, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, right, the Peach Bowl,
and the Orange Bowl come together in the name of
their brethren, these other bowl games that aren't as famous
or aren't a part of the college football playoff and

(01:03:09):
protect their interests. Like I think it is not insignificant
to believe that those executive directors of those bowl games
wouldn't talk to one another and say, guys, if we're
going to keep the bowl institution alive with a great
college football playoff model, whatever that model becomes, I've got

(01:03:33):
my theories on it. But we still need bowl games
to exist if we want them to exist, and more importantly,
if we want them to mean something and have people
play in them. The only stipulation that you need to
add to be in the College Football Playoff is what
I put out on social media, just a little little

(01:03:56):
note at the bottom of what they stand for in
all the policies, and that policy is that if you
are extended in opportunity to play in a bowl game
by a fellow bowl partner, meaning if the Kellogg sun
Ball sends you an invitation to play and you turn

(01:04:17):
that down, if one of our partners offers you a
spot in the game and you say thanks, but no thanks,
then you have to take a one year hiatus from
being in the College Football Playoff. Then you say that
that seems strict swanny. Yes, the Balls need to stand

(01:04:37):
up for themselves and say yeah, we're not in the playoff,
but we still mean something. We should still have value.
Coaches and players should still want to come play. So
what's the carrot you dangle being in the playoff? The
next year? We say, well, what about four and eight
South Carolina. They didn't get a bowl extension, They didn't
get it invited to a bowl game, right, so they're

(01:04:58):
exempt from that reasoning. But if you get an invite,
even if you're five and seven, like Florida State did,
and you turn it down after the fact, and again,
here's what could have happened. And this is the other
reason I stand for this because Georgia Southern, the Eagles
qualified for a ballgame and barely found a partner and

(01:05:22):
it ends up being AP State. A fellow conference member
goes into that game to play them. But imagine if
nobody went so, now that team that qualified for a
ballgame has nobody to play. That's not right. And Notre
Dame if they knew that that was the rule, they

(01:05:44):
would go play. And you might say, well, what about
the players, what about Jeremiah Love? Okay, well, does Jeremiah
love himself or does he love Notre Dame? If he
loves Notre Dame, and he wants them to be able
to be in the playoff next year, even though they
got left out this year and shafted or wherever you
want to think about it. Then he might say, all right,

(01:06:06):
I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play for my school because
you guys don't want it to be about the school anymore.
It should be about the school. It can't be. We
can't be me, me, me, me, me all the time.
What about the players? What about the extra game? Dude,
get out there and play. And if he doesn't want
to play, we'll find somebody that will play. If Florida

(01:06:31):
State can get the shaft and go play in the
Orange Bowl even though they get obliterated, kudos to Florida State.
I've gained more respect in hindsight of Florida State going
and playing in that game than I ever have with
what Notre Dame just did. That's a fact. You guys

(01:06:53):
know how I feel about Florida State.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I was still ashamed at the lack of the what
the players didn't show up for the seminoles, and that's
where again.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
The school, the school, the school.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Those players if they really loved Florida State. Why wouldn't
they just go go try to go undefeated, go try
to prove it. Instead you get rolled sixty three to three. Like,
at some point, it's got to mean more. It's got
to mean more to be a part of a school,
to be a part of the culture, to be a

(01:07:28):
part of the history, to be able to say, you
know what, even in the face of adversity, when we
got left out of the College Football Playoff and we
thought we were worthy, even though we had two losses,
even though we had all these teams that weren't that
great that we beat during that miraculous ten game winning streak,
we went and finished the job. But no, you're just

(01:07:50):
one of the first to opt out of a bowl game.
You know, you're just one of the teams that could
have been in the College Football Playoff. That's upset that
you were left out and you took your ball and
went home. That's embarrassing. And I'm glad Britt your mark
came out and said something about the situation. I wish

(01:08:17):
the other conference commissioners would come out and say something
about Notre Dame. I would love nothing more at this
point than for Notre Dame to get backed into the
corner of you got to play group of five teams
because the Power five is not scheduling you anymore. Let
me ask you how valuable is Notre Dame as a
property if they're not playing any Power five schools. How

(01:08:44):
valuable you want to tune in to watch them play Marshall.
You want to tune in watch them play Army and
Navy Colorado State? Of course you don't. Those games aren't interesting.
And you know what happens to the Notre Dame brand.

(01:09:05):
If those are the games that are having to play,
it is going to diminish. It's already diminished. As I
told you, my nephews who are in their thirties, well
into their thirties, they're like, why is Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
A big deal?

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Who cares? Because Notre Dame hasn't really achieved anything during
their lifetime. They've barely achieved anything in my lifetime. And
I'm nearly a half a century old. That was tough
to say. All right, well, quick break, we'll come back
with more here on the show that shakes the south Land,
Clemson Sports Talk right here well, Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred,

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All right, So I guess a couple of housekeeping things

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real quick for you. Number One, our holiday schedule. Obviously,
you know, around this time of the year we run
into you know, the Christmas holidays and things like that
that the radio station requires us to be off. And
this year it kind of falls weirdly on Wednesday and Thursdays,

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the twenty fourth and twenty fifth, So that means that
the thirty first and first are also Wednesday and Thursday.
So here's what we're gonna do for the show. Okay,
we're gonna be taking off. So next Friday, the nineteenth,

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will be our last show until the following Friday. This
is probably the easiest way to explain it. The twenty sixth.
You say you're gonna do a show the day after Christmas. Wani, Yes,
and no, I will pre record that show before the holidays,

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but it will be a preview of the Clemson Penn
State game coming up. On Saturday, and if there's anything
that gets changed in betwixt Monday and Friday, I'll make
the edit and fix that for the show. So that
show will air on the twenty sixth, leading up to

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the bowl game on the twenty seventh. But then because
of the college football playoff games taking place on the first,
we're just gonna be off that whole week and we'll
come back on the second to recap the playoff games
and the recap Clemson's bowl game. So that's what we're

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looking at. It'll be a nice little break for me.
I know I've been telling you about my vocal cords.
You know what I've been doing, and I'm feeling a
lot better. Every day I come home and I have
two or three cups of hot tea with with honey
in it, and that seems to be that seems to
be making me feel a good bit better, all right.

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N three four five zero zero eighty six. That is
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if you're a fan of another school, check their main website,
Alumni Hall dot com and see if you can find
some great Christmas gifts there. And follow Alumni Hall on
all their social media accounts as well as they put
out a ton a ton of like you know, outfits
and and you know what YETI and I'm terrible with these,

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like what do you call those things? My wife, My
wife can tell you all of these, like all the
names of the stuff, but all these name brand merchandise
that people love and it's all Clemson customized. Go check
them out. Uh, tumblrs, what are they called? Tumor? I
can't think of the name. I see them in the
pictures all the time. I think they're tumbl Urmas Turvis

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Turvis tumblers there you go. I think that's what it's called.
It took me a minute, but I got to it.
Turvis tumblers, all right. We do have some more news
out to Clemson though, in terms of players set to
enter the transfer portal. It was reported earlier today that
Clemson junior linebacker Jamal Anderson will enter the transfer portal

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next month. Anderson, whose father played in the NFL, has
played sparingly this year, with just forty eight snaps and
started one game. He was a three star recruit out
of high school, registering eight tackles and two tackles for
a loss of season. He finished his career with nineteen
career tackles, three tackles for lost in a sack. So

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another player heading into the transfer portal, and with the
three guys on the defensive side of the ball that
we talked about earlier leaving the program, Shelton Lewis already
left the program. Khalil Barnes now announcing his departure from
the program along with Jamal Anderson. Mean not that all

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those guys were major players. Obviously four of them were
significant players on the defensive side of the ball. You
still gotta figure out how you're gonna replace them and
Dabos when he said that he expected this year to
be a much bigger year for Clemson in the portal,

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as it should be, and there's likely to be more
guys that end up going into the portal between now
and it opening up. And I think that if there's
anything Clemson's learning And still I think the calendar is
a problem with this whole thing, because wouldn't it be
nice wouldn't it be nice if signing day came after

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all your players at portaled, so you might be able
to say, Okay, these are guys that I wanted to
get and now you could still do it because there
is a signing later, but a lot of those guys
have already signed. I mean, wouldn't it be be pertinent that, Okay,
if you knew that you needed a new starting cornerback

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and I'm not saying you want to go trust a
freshman to do it, Not everybody's mckenzy Alexander, But wouldn't
it be nice if you knew that Amyon Treill was
going pro and there was no early signing period and
you could work from now until the February signing period
to go get one of the best corners in the country.

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And I'm not saying that you shouldn't already be going
after that guy, but do you do you see the
situation because let's say Avian trell says he's coming back,
you don't have to worry about that. Some other program
that had a guy that left early to go pro
would be the people that might say, Okay, we're gonna
start recruiting this guy. A little bit differently, I mean

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the early signing period. I think when it started seemed
like a hey, cool idea, that's great. And the more
we've been around it, the more I think a lot
of people feel like, maybe it's not so great. Maybe
there's a lot to be desired from The portal ages
are three four or five zero zero eighty six. That

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is the text line in the phone line again, we'll
hit a quick break, we'll come back. We'll put a
bow on the Thursday edition of the show that Shakes
the south Land. Keep it locked.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture, don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately? What have you done?

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
Always? Are the same?

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
We win.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Final segment on a Thursday Clemson Sports tal swan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
I was talking about nephew yesterday and well, actually he
texted me a picture of his internet speed at his
house getting basically a gig down and a gig up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Oh my gracious.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Now that to some of you just want to you'll
nerd at your screen. I get that, but I mean,
like I I like the Internet I have. I'm not
going to push the company or whatever. But a gig
down and a gig up that is moving. And what

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bothers me with the Internet speed that I have is
I have five hundred down. That's great, but I only
have you know, ten or whatever up. If I'm lucky,
you get twelve. And I'm a guy if I had
that speed. Right there, You talk about doing the show
live online. I do it live all the time, all

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of the time. So I came home today and I
see the Internet guys from some company. I don't know
what company, but they're out there in the neighborhood. They
got the ditch witch going, and I'm hoping that the

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ditch that they're witching is gonna bring me some fiber
optic internet. I will make the move. I will make
the move. So I can't imagine some people going. Here's
the one problem I will say with fiber optive, fiber optic.

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At my dad's house, he has fiber optic. It's great.
But the little cable came out one time we were
moving the equipment and the cable is like, I don't
know the tube on that thing is. It's not like
a coax or what you typically would see from an
Ethernet cable. It it's smaller. It's about about like a

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headphone cable. And it came off and it would not
fix We had to wait till they came out to
fix it. I had to let my dad use my
my cell phones what do you call it, the hotspot
on all his devices for a few days while I
was down there, because I even at ninety one, he

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ain't going without TV and his alexis, oh no, he's
not going without television, and Alexa, I can assure you.
So anyway, I'm hopeful. All right, let's see whether we
got anything breaking. Anybody fire anybody today, any breaking news

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out of the college football front quarterback Fernando Mendoza of
the Indiana Hoosiers. The undefeated Indiana Hoosiers named the AP
Player of the Year earlier today, and honestly like his

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moment after the Big Ten championship. I'm pretty sure if
you were on social media on Sunday after the Big
Ten title game, you saw his postgame celebration in interview,

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and it was it was what college football is supposed
to be about. What a great story Indiana is. Here's
what that sounded like after the game.

Speaker 7 (01:22:41):
Oh, congratulations Indiana the Big Ten champs. How does that sound?

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
It sounds so beautiful. I want to give all the
glory to God.

Speaker 8 (01:22:50):
We're never supposed to be in this decision before the
glory of God.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
The great coaches, great teams, I'm around us. We were
able to pull this off. Whoever thought who should be here?
But not who was just we're flipping champs. Let's go.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
You guys call yourself a bunch of misfits who found
the right home at Indiana.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Why was this the right place for this group?

Speaker 8 (01:23:09):
Is the right place for process orange?

Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
And we're going day by day what is offit?

Speaker 8 (01:23:13):
The line, the defense, the coaches, special teams. We're all
processes oranges to one goal. That's our thing is we're brothers.
We can drag teams to the deep end because we
know that we're gonna stick together and were the strongest
glue ever.

Speaker 7 (01:23:25):
Tell me about finding Charlie Becker, third down, two minutes
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
We talk about Heisman.

Speaker 7 (01:23:30):
Moments, but take me through that one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
What an incredible Charlie's been. But he's been every single
day in summer. We were always throwing before practice, before
at seven am on Sundays, doing spots, doing the routes.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
And now you see it to go for fruition. He's
my roommate.

Speaker 8 (01:23:46):
Gonna be happy for such a young man as well
as well as our deepense playing lights out and well, everybody,
just what an incredible moment.

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
Congratulations, enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
Thanks so much, God blessed Goho's yours.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
I mean, that's what it's about. Like that felt like
college football again, Like that felt like what college football
is supposed to feel like. And I don't care that
he's paid. I don't care about that. I care about
kids caring. I care about kids wanting to be a
part of something special in Indiana is doing that. It's awesome.

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It's awesome, all right, we gotta get out of here. Look,
thank you for hanging out with us this week. We'll
be back tomorrow on Friday, right here on Fox Sports
Radio fourteen hundred and of course on the iHeartRadio app.
All right, we'll talk to you then, and don't forget
you could keep up with everything going on in Tigertown
on our website, Clemson sports Talk dot com. All Right,
we gotta get out of here. We'll talk to you

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tomorrow at four. As always, I'll take care now and
go Tigers.