The "Not Without Controversy" Edition

The NBA and NCAA Baseball seasons both concluded over the weekend, but more than anything, neither ended without a level of controversy. 

Episode Transcript

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we have conclusions to both the NBA season and the
college baseball season, both notwithstanding a level of controversy as well.
We'll get into all of that here on the program today,
plus William Qualkinbush set to join us at hour number two.
And as I mentioned on Friday, we'll rehash some of
our conversation from Wednesday last week with Fax and Childress

(02:09):
here on a Monday afternoon, as we make your way
through the summer, and good gracious, I don't even know
where to begin with this. Coastal Carolina LSU Game two,
I mean, Game one was spectacular. That Game one was spectacular.

(02:29):
One oh, the final score LSU a stellar performance really
on the mound for both teams as LSU scores a
run in the bottom of the first and then we
go the rest of the way with no one else
scoring a grand total of nine hits in that ball

(02:50):
game six for LSU, three for Coastal, but Kate Anderson
struck out ten finished the game when Coastal was threatening
late in a run scored on a single to center
field in the first inning, the only run in Game one.

(03:14):
Not much controversy, not much to talk about. Coastal in
that game left nine runners on base. You get hits
with runners in scoring position, you win that game. But
the Chanticleers were very competitive in Game one, but even

(03:34):
losing as I said to her on the program on Friday,
I thought, you know, could they answer if they lost.
What I didn't sort of expect was that they would
lose the way that they did in such a close fashion,
and it would certainly look like an even series at
that point. And quite frankly, even though now LSU was
hoisted the national championship too out of last three seasons,

(03:58):
this series was extremely, extremely close. So shift gears to
yesterday's matchup, which ended up being the championship game as
LSU wins five to three, the beginning coming for the
Tigers in the fourth when they scored four runs. But

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the story of this game was not about the final
result and was really about the beginning of the game.
When Angel Campos, the umpire in this case the homeplate
umpire now at Clemson, a couple of years ago, he

(04:44):
threw cam Canerella out of that series with Tennessee, and
like the thirteenth inningas cam Canerella was running by a
player for Tennessee and said something and then you know,
I mean, here we are thirteen innings into a game,
and two years ago or whatever it was, Campo's wants
to put the spotlight on himself. This was even more

(05:07):
flagrant in my opinion, because this is potentially a championship game.
It is a chance to stave off elimination for Coastal
Carolina and head coach Kevin Schnall, who we've heard from
a good bit on this program. When he said this.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Everybody say it with me.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Shanta clears.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Shanta clears, not chant clear, Schanta Clear's well.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Kevin Schnall was ejected in the first inning of the
ballgame yesterday. I mean absolutely inexcusable officiating umpiring in the
bottom of the first inning with Coastal Carolina at the plate.

(05:56):
Here's how things unfolded that led to Schnall's dismissal from
the game.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
See a break the ball count.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
He throws that curveball the slider roughly fifty percent of
the time.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Oh my goodness, he used through Kevin Snall out of
the game.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
In the bottom of the first ditting, the home played
umpire throws Kevin Schnall out of this game and down
thews an umpire who had come in to get in
the middle of things. I believe, guys, this had to
do what happened at the end of the top of

(06:40):
the first with the third base coach for LSU. This
seems to stem from the first base coach. And then
Schnall remarkably gets thrown out of the game a College
World Series Game two in the bottom of the first.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
But it does in there and again an official came
over or another umpire came over and he tripped and
the fans kind of erupted. You could tell LSU had
a decided advantage in terms of the fan base there
at Omaha, but undoubtedly because Schnall came out of the

(07:19):
of the dugout complaining about the fact that that there
had been three missed calls in his opinion early on
in the game that that is something you just can't
argue and warrants or allows for an ejection. But again,
I got to go back to this is the National Championship,

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and I saw people tweeting out things like this. Jeff tweeted,
there are very few combination of words in the English
language that weren't ejecting a coach from an elimination game
in the Men's College World Series Finals. And yet Coastal
Carolina Kevin Schnall and first base coach and by the way,
that's coming up Matt Shilling just got run in the

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first inning of the game. So here's the continuation of
that moment that, in my opinion, really changed the game
for Coastal quite frankly well.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
And I didn't even see that building.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
Guys, Like it's one pitch and next thing you know,
Schnall's out out of the dugout and Angel Campbell hasn't
clearly hurt enough.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
That thing escalated quickly.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Again, this will always come back to whatever was said.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
He just man just throwing out the game. Man just thrown.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Another one out at ball'st.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
We just threw Matt Shilling out the game, first base coach,
I think if you look, and we will obviously look
back at it.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
And so in that moment, Matt Shilling gets thrown out
of the game, and you can hear him sort of
saying to the ref I something along the lines of
why can't I get a warning? And they say something
along the lines of, you know, he's still out here
talking about the coach, And then I almost hear that official,
which is a completely different official, completely different umpire. There's

(09:28):
like this verbiage of you want some more like all
of a sudden, like and we're gonna I'm gonna let
you hear the announcers kind of analysis of it all
again from ABC yesterday. But officials have been, yes, criticized
to the nth degree for every single thing that they do.

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But they their criticism merely comes from the fans, and they,
in a lot of respects, have little to no accountability
to any one. And the indifference that they have in
those moments right there of the biggest game of the year,
not recognizing that fact. I'll be honest, if this was

(10:10):
Game one of the season for Coastal, this would be
an absurd objection. But the national championship game and a
game that they have to win, It's unfathomable to me
that this is what happened yesterday. So we take you
back to the analysis of the color man and the

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play by play guy on the call yesterday at the
College World Series.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
All right, stolen base, nothing going on there now, he's
looking in looks like he's asking for he called it
a strike?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Is that what?

Speaker 8 (10:54):
And here.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
He tells him there to get back and Schnall doesn't.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
And then that shilling up at first baseline, see Joe
Campos is going towards mats, showing he didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
And then now he tells Schnall.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
And boom, that's an aggressive guy.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
And basically what he was saying is that's an aggressive ejection.
I mean he immediately just turned and like just throws
him out. You would think that we were in the
eighth inning of this game maybe, and that he had
granted Lee Way after Lee Way after Lee Way to
Kevin Schnall to try to keep him in, as if
he had warned him as in unbelievably they tossed him

(11:54):
and it is absolutely absurd. Now, Russell tweets, in my opinion,
there are no words that would justify an ejection in
a championship game. Yeah. I don't know, Russell. I think
I can find somebody. I would I could find some

(12:16):
words that would give me ejected off the radio, Russell.
But I'm kind of with you. I understand what you're saying,
Like you gotta grant some leeway. Guns says, what will
the repercussions or punishments be for the umpire's absurd decision
and short fuse? Nothing is what Guns applied to that,

(12:41):
And you're probably right, absolutely nothing will take place now
or nothing will change. Coastal Teal Nation put out a
statement after the game saying this and I quote, the

(13:02):
ejections of head coach Kevin Schnall and assistant coach Matt
Shilling in the bottom of the first inning drastically altered
the trajectory of a must win game for our team.
These decisions were made with an alarming level of haste,
without an attempt at de escalation, and deprived our student
athletes of the leadership they have relied on throughout a

(13:25):
historic postseason run. This is not about a single call.
It's about process and professionalism. In the biggest moment of
the college world season, excuse me, in the biggest moment
of the college baseball season. Our program and its student
athletes deserve better. The NCAA must re evaluate how it trains, assigns,

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and reviews umpires in championship environments. We expect consistency, communication,
and the same level of excellence from officials that we
demand of our teams. Our players represented this university, this conference,
and college baseball with integrity and heart. They deserve the opportunity.

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They deserved the opportunity to compete for a national championship
with their leaders, and were denied that opportunity. Today. That's
the official statement from Coastal Carolina on the situation. Aaron
fit D one baseball dot Com tweeted, you gotta be
kidding me, Angel Campos, You're gonna toss the coach in

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the first inning of a College World Series Finals game?
Grow up. Then there's Kevin Schnall Schnall postgame giving his
breakdown of the situation that took place in the championship
game yesterday out in Omaha.

Speaker 9 (14:49):
Being a eleven point seven coach, the twenty eighth pitch
of the first inning, were you warned prior to it?
And then I know the homeplate umpire kind of turned
his back and walked away, where any words shared from
him to you?

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Afterwards?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's twenty five thousand people there, and I vaguely hear
a warning issued as the head coach, and I was
assistant for twenty four years, and as an assistant, you're
almost treated like a second grade, second level citizen, and
you can't say a word now as a head coach,

(15:30):
I think it is your right to get an explanation
of why we got warned. And I'm forty eight years old.
I shouldn't get showed by another grown man, right so
when I come out to ask what the warning is,
a grown man showed me. So at that point I
can now hear him say it was a warning issued

(15:54):
for arguing balls and strikes. And at that point I said,
because you missed three. At that point ejected. If that
warrants an ejection, I'm the first one to stand here
like a man and apologize to words that the fine

(16:15):
Art program or own it. And what does that mean
is you have to own You have to own everything
that you do, without blame, without defending yourself, without excuses.
If you guys watched the video, there was a guy

(16:39):
that came in extremely aggressively, tripped over the campos is foot,
embarrassed in front of twenty five thousand, immediately goes two
game suspension and said bumping the umpire immediately does that

(16:59):
There was no bump, he was embarrassed. I shouldn't be
held accountable for a grown man's athleticism. Do We'll retract
it though, because now it's excessive. And the reason why
it was excessive because I was trying to say I
didn't bump him.

Speaker 8 (17:19):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
But if that warranted an ejection, man, there'd be a
lot of ejections. As an umpire, I feel like it's
your job to manage the game, the National Championship game,
with some poise, some calmness, and a little bit of tolerance.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And what I can say is he's not wrong on
any of those counts. Kevin Schnall nailed it, absolutely nailed it. Now.
As for the NCAA, they also released the statement on
the ejection will get you what they said coming up

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just after the break. As for the Rocko Jello Shot Challenge,
LSU did what LSU does and they have placed up
a tremendous number. It's not the sixty eight thousand, eight
hundred and eighty eight I believe is the record, but
it was fifty two thousand and five. Excise me, fifty

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two thousand, three hundred and ninety swamping the competition. Coastal
finished second with nine thousand, one hundred and seventeen jello shots.
Arkansas finished third with nine thousand and seventy five. Murray

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State finish fifth with eight thousand, three hundred and forty.
Then there's a significant drop off to sixth place Oregon
State twenty one hundred and thirty one. Seventh place Louisville
two thousand and eighty nine. I think I'm off by

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a place. Seventh place would be Arizona eighteen hundred and
seventy six and UCLA coming in the rear with sixteen
fifty five jello shots at Rocos. All right, that's the
Jello shot challenge, JELUSU. Congrats And again if you're wondering, yes,
it's about donating the charity that it's not about all

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the jello shots. I mean, that's a part of it, certainly,
Rocos twenty twenty five Jello shot Challenge. In the books,
LSU wins it, just like they win the National Championship,
whether controversial, controversial or not on the field. Speaking of
that controversial, when we come back, we'll say the statement,
we'll play the statement, or I'll read this statement to

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you from the NCAA. Keep a lot on fox Portradio
fourteen hundred, rolling along on a Monday, Clempson's sports talk wave,
Qualking Bush's coming up an hour number two. All right,
so we heard before the break from Kevin Schnall, and
if you're just joining us, we'll give you Coach Snall's
full audio here. After getting ejected from the National Championship game.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
There's twenty five thousand people there, and I vaguely hear
a warning issued as the head coach, and I was
assistant for twenty four years, and as an assistant you're
almost treated like a second grade, second level citizen, and
you can't say a word. Now as a head coach,

(20:40):
I think it is your right to get an explanation
of why we got warned. And I'm forty eight years old.
I shouldn't get showed by another grown man, right, So
when I come out to ask what the warning is,
a grown man showed me. So at that point I
can now hear him say it was a warning issue

(21:03):
for arguing balls and strikes. And at that point I said,
because you missed three. At that point ejected. If that
warrants an ejection, I'm the first one to stand here
like a man and apologize two words that the Fine

(21:25):
Art program or own it. And what does that mean
is you have to own You have to own everything
that you do without blame, without defending yourself, without excuses.
If you guys watched the video, there was a guy

(21:48):
that came in extremely aggressively tripped over the camp post
his foot embarrassed in front of twenty five thousand immediately
goes two game suspension and said bumping the umpire immediately
does that there was no bump.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
He was embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I shouldn't be held accountable for a grown man's athleticism.
They'll retract it though, because now it's excessive, and the
reason why it was excessive because I was trying to
say I didn't pump him. It is what it is.
But if that warranted an ejection, man, there'd be a

(22:33):
lot of ejections. As an umpire, I feel like it's
your job to manage the game, the National Championship game
with some poise, some calmness, and a little bit of tolerance.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Some calmness and a little bit of tolerance is what
Kevin Schnall said there. Here's what the NCAA said in
their official release. In the bottom of the first inning,
Coastal Carolina hey coach Kevin Schnall in first base coach
Matt Schilling were ejected from the game for continued arguing

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about balls and strikes after being warned initially by the
umpire crew. NCUBA playing rule three six f Note one
states that ball's strikes, half swings, or decisions about hit
by pitch situations are not to be argued after a warning.
Any player or coach who continues to argue balls, strikes,

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half swings, or hit by pitch situations shall be ejected
from the game. In addition to today's ejections, Coach Schanall
is suspended for the next two games per NCUBA playing
Rule five point fifteen A four, which states that an
additional two game suspension is added to any other penalties.
By rule, no team personnel may continue to argue or

(23:54):
to continue to excessively express themselves with prolonged actions or
offensive language after in ejector. Nc DOUBLEA Playing Rule two
to twenty six F states as an assistant coach, if ejected,
is automatically suspended for one game. Per NCUBLEA Playing Rule
five fifteen A four, an additional two games suspension is
added to any other penalties by rule. Coach Shilling is

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suspended for three games. So that's the official statement from
the nc DOUBLEA. And how you can write that statement,
watch what happens and still support the umpires in this

(24:38):
situation is beyond me. And you know William qualkin Bush
He'll be joining us an hour number two and qualk
loves baseball. I am going to be fascinated to hear
what he has to say about this entire situation, because,
in all honesty to me, it just takes away from

(25:01):
every It takes away from LSU. It certainly takes away
from Coastal. It feels like it takes away a heck
of an opportunity for Coastal to win a championship and
force a Game three like this unbelievable. Unbelievable and the
ties in some respects to the NBA last night and

(25:21):
will shift gears to the NBA Finals Game seven here
for a couple of segments. But you know, I said
all along heading into the playoffs. Throughout the playoffs, I
thought Oklahoma City Thunder. I thought the Thunder were the
best team. I thought they'd win the championship. And there

(25:44):
were moments it was it was scary. A couple of
Game seven victories, the final one yesterday one oh three
ninety one. They trailed Indiana forty eight forty seven at
the break. But the big storyline was as it has
been really for the Pacers the entire NBA playoffs. Tyrese

(26:08):
Haliburton and Halliburton started out the game on fire three
of four from beyond the arc nine quick points in
just seven minutes of action, but on a play where
he attempted to dribble and drive, unfortunately, Tyrese Haliburton injured

(26:32):
his Achilles tendon, and much like Damian Lillard and Jason Tatum,
who both wear number zero as well like Haliburton, they
were all three injured in the playoffs with an achilles injury.
And from that standpoint, the fact that Indiana played as

(26:55):
well as they did minus Haliburton up until the third
quarter where Oklahoma City outscored them thirty four to twenty
to take control of the game, the what ifs of
if Halliburton doesn't get hurt, much like the what ifs
of if Kevin Schnall doesn't get thrown out, will resonate

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throughout history. And we'll talk with William Qualkinbush about his
pacers coming up an hour number two, Keep it a lot,
we'll talk a little bit more about Oklahoma City becoming
NBA champions and what their future might look like. Stay
with us, Clemson's Sports saw the show that shakes the Southland.
Lawton swan with you on a Monday afternoon, The Championship Monday.

(27:39):
LSU College Baseball Champions with a five to three win
yesterday over Coastal Carolina, winning that series two games to one,
but that was not without controversy, much like the NBA Championship,
where the Oklahoma City Thunder closed out their series with
Indianapolis and the Pacers. Coach Rick Carlisle opened his pregame

(28:01):
press conference talking about a video that he saw on
social media that showed the buses being wrapped for the
NBA champion Oklahoma City Thunder in advance of the game.
Rick Carlisle saying, I just saw video that's probably gonna
go viral to open with open top buses, presumably for

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the parade, already painted with them as champions. So that's
what I'm thinking about right now. That's what Carlisle said
yesterday about that before the game, which would be won
by the Oklahoma City Thunder one oh three ninety one,
perhaps setting us up for a bit of a dynasty.
You know, we've had seven different champions in seven consecutive

(28:47):
years in the NBA, but this Thunder team feels like
they have not just the pieces to be champions for
a while, but they also have the attitude to be
champions for a while, and so we'll see what the
future holds. Because the trade that they made, the Thunders

(29:09):
trade for Paul George, or trading away Paul George, I
should say, when they traded for Shay, gil Just Alexander,
and Danello Gallinari, that has become the trade that is
going to potentially allow OKC to remain at or near

(29:31):
the top of the NBA for the present time being
because in that trade, not only did they get a
future MVP in gil Just Alexander, not just a league MVP,
but now a finals MVP as well, they got the
Los Angeles Clippers first round pick in twenty twenty two,
the Clippers first round pick in twenty twenty four, the

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Clippers first round pick in twenty twenty six, They got
Miami's twenty twenty one first round pick, they got Miami's
twenty twenty three first round pick, they got the clippers
twenty twenty three first round pick, and they got the
clippers twenty twenty five first round pick. Now what did

(30:14):
that all turn into or thus far, what has it
turned into. Well, in twenty twenty one, they selected trade
Man with the eighteenth pick. He has been basically a.
He was a piece for them for three years, but
limited access or limited impact. He was traded to the

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Charlotte Hornets February of twenty twenty four along with a
couple of other players, and received a twenty twenty four
second round pick from Charlotte a twenty twenty five second
round pick in cash considerations in exchange for Gordon Hayward. Hayward,
just before this season kicked off, announced his retirement from

(30:58):
basketball in twenty twenty two. They took a pick from
the Los Angeles Clippers, and they got Jaylen Williams with
the twelfth overall selection, who has been a star for
them and was standing side by side with Gil just
Alexander's guild. Just Alexander was named the MVP of the
Finals and he handed the trophy to Jalen Williams in

(31:20):
a really cool moment. Got a lot of respect for
both of those guys and their camaraderie after watching that.
But that's a huge piece of this puzzle, and so
just with that alone, basically the George Dial Oklahoma City
gave up one player but earned a brighter superstar and

(31:48):
a core of players to go around him, including other
players like Dylan Jones, who's on the team that won
the championship, that won the title last night, and they
still have a fourthcoming pick in twenty twenty six. I mean,
all those picks now blossoming into impactful players for Oklahoma City,

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which begs the question, given the camaraderie, will they fall off.
I don't think they're going to. And when you put
it into perspective, just how good this team was. The
Golden State Warriors in twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen were
the best team in the history of the NBA seventy

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three and nine and eighty nine percent winning percentage. That's
the best regular season record ever. They lost the NBA
finals of the Cleveland The second best team ever, that
seventy two to ten Chicago Bulls team that was the
first team that ever won seventy games. They also won
the NBA Championship. The ninety six to ninety seven Bulls

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won sixty nine games. They were sixty nine and thirteen.
They also won an NBA title. Then you've got a
sixty eight and thirteen Philadelphia seventy six er team from
sixty six to sixty seven that won the NBA title,
and then there's Oklahoma City sixty eight and fourteen, the

(33:15):
fifth best winning percentage in NBA history and an NBA
champion at eighty two point nine percent. I don't know
if they'll press and surpassed seventy wins, but they got
the sixty eight this year, and it's one of the

(33:37):
youngest teams in the league and certainly one of the
youngest teams to win an NBA championship, and the things
that are happening around them, with say the Nuggets and
the Lakers and the Rockets, by the way, speaking of

(33:58):
the Rockets, the aging teams out there, the Rockets traded
and got Kevin Durant, So there you go, battle Fizzle,

(34:18):
the aging star Kevin Durant, I have has there ever
been a better score that I've been least impressed with?
I'm not sure. I think he might be the least
the least impressive big time score I've ever been around.
They're ever watched. All that being said, Oklahoma City at

(34:41):
sixty eight and fourteen, at this point, with aging people
around them in the league, could they press for seventy
seventy three? I mean, it's seventy three and nine on
the docket for this team down the road. They're built
for future success, that's for sure. Quick break. We'll put

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a bow on our number one when we return. Final
segment of our number one. I know I said I
was gonna get to some audio from our interview last
week with facts and Childress. I'm gonna save that for tomorrow,
in part because I got a busy, busy day tomorrow
and I'm gonna need to make up some of that

(35:23):
time and that'll help for sure, So we'll roll that tomorrow.
William kwalkin Bush, however, coming up in our number two.
So the Clemson Tigers add another piece to the twenty
twenty six recruiting puzzle with the commitment of dra Quinn,

(35:46):
four star defensive end, selecting Clemson over Texas. Quinn is
a kid who pulls a rating of ninety point one
point five on three industry rating and is a guy
that could certainly add some weight to his frame to

(36:07):
six four, two hundred and twenty pounds, as we talked
about with Will Van Dervoort last week. But I think
the main thing here is power and explosion, and Clemson
believes that he's a guy that can impact the game
significantly off the edge, and maybe you could see him

(36:29):
being a kid who ends up playing, you know, kind
of standing up without his without his hand in the
ground right in this you know Tom Allen defense, the
way Tom Allen has taken players on in a similar
style and really created menacing defensive a menacing defensive presence

(36:53):
for sure, but with that physicality and burst. I think
Clemson really likes the potential opportunity that awaits with a
guy like dra Quinn in this class. And it is
an impressive group so far, and I know it feels
like it's a long way off, but you've got a

(37:16):
couple of high valued four star prospects and name Burrows
at wide receiver, Leo Delaney on the offensive line, and
Carter Scruggs on the O line, who we have as
the top build players in this class for Clemson. Now,
there's an argument from some that maybe Kntavion Anderson, the

(37:39):
safety Dorman High School right now, might actually be one
of the top three players in this group. But I
will say maybe more than any class in recent memory.
The thing that I kind of recognize looking at it

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from top to bottom is that you've got about eleven,
maybe twelve players out of the nineteen guys that are
currently committed, who you can make an argument for as
being like somewhere in the realm of say a ninety
to a ninety two maybe ninety three overall style prospect.

(38:23):
It's it's not like a huge drop off. Now, I
kind of wonder because again, these are cumulative ratings across
the board from different you know, different groups or different companies,

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and this's could be narrowing a little bit with rivals
and on three kind of coming together. But it does
feel like as large as this class currently is, which
stands at nineteen commits, that top group in this class
is very, very talented and balanced. And again, who knows

(39:05):
what the end result looks like, because obviously we're in
an era where players commit and then de commit. I mean,
we see it. You see it all the time. Just
the other day, running back who was committed to Nebraska, CJ.
Bruno or browno. However you see his name D committed

(39:26):
from Nebraska, and D committed from Nebraska and then almost
instantly committed to Florida, And that I think is one
of the you know, one of the things we're having
to get accustomed to as people that cover college sports
is that. Yeah, this is spectacular, this is a good

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start to a class, and it's plenty early. But if
you think a guy can't fall off in a blink,
please this is the nature of the sport. Now, it's unfortunate,
but it is the nature of the sport. You can
go one day committed. Let's see June seventeenth, CJ. Bronow

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De committed from Nebraska, and then twenty four hours later,
there's a new graphic with your playing or being committed
to Florida. Like it's You recruit players in this day
and age with the hope that their commitments sticks, and

(40:38):
that has always been the case to a degree. But
for me, I think the fact remains. And I may
have said running back, I'm at cornerback. I don't know,
And like in my head, in my head, my brain
was just telling me you said running back, and maybe
I didn't. Maybe this is just my brain in that way.

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What do you call it, you're subconscious subconsciously, I feel
like I called him a running back. But these guys
that you know that you're trying to to find and
locate to bring into be a part of your program.
You want players who when they commit commitment still means
what it you know, what the word actually means, and
it's not committed. And then I'm gonna flip. And the

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Tigers lost some guys last year. You know, Tay Harris
is an example of that, who flipped this commitment from
Clemson to Georgia Tech's or to out of the Blue.
And I think it's almost impossible in this era that
you managed to keep guys, you know, every single one
of these guys locked in. But at this point, like

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I said, with nineteen guys committed, eleven of them very
tight in terms of who could end up being, depending
on the evaluations in their final year of high school,
the best player in the group. That's how good. It's
a solid more than half of these guys are in
a pretty tight window between the top and the bottom.

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And uh, it may be a little bit of a
fight to see who ends up being the best player
in this class for Clemson. William Qualkinbus joins us on
the flip side. Stay with us. It's time for Clipson
Sports Talk with Luton Schwann. It is hour number two.

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William Qualkin Bush joins us qualk Welcome in, my man,
How are you, buddy, Swanny.

Speaker 8 (43:39):
I'm doing great, no complaints whatsoever. It's a great Monday,
and I'm happy to be with you.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
You know, I was just thinking, man, have you you
know the intro to your program. I know you've got
a lot of clips, I think from some of the
old Climpson highlights. But I'm thinking now with Ai qualk
you could probably get some kind of thing mixed up
that said something like qualk it like I talk qualk
itt like I talk it. You know what I'm saying,
a little remix.

Speaker 8 (44:05):
You know, I appreciate you saying that.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Now I'm gonna be thinking about that all day and
then tomorrow's show, and I'm just gonna be sort of
brainstorming that instead of doing actual work.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
You so much for that.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
You're welcome five on Twitter at Qualsa. All right, Qua,
we got a lot to get to, some of it
pertaining to loves of your life in the Indiana Pacers,
but I got to begin with baby. One of the
strangest things I've seen what happened to Kevin Schnall at
the National Championship Game yesterday, the final game LSU wins
at five to three, but Schnall getting thrown out in

(44:39):
the first inning and Angel Campos being the guy that
did it.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I know, we talked to coaches, we talked to players, Heck,
we talked to media members after games, but we very
rarely get to really hear and criticize officials in a
large way. And I know it's a tough job. But
in that moment, man, in your baseball guy, qualk, how
does that happen?

Speaker 8 (45:06):
Okay, So there's two things going on here.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
The first thing is, and I'll start with Quasi defending
the empire because I disagree with pretty much everything the
umpires did there. But when a coach is warned, generally speaking,
that's this okay, Like.

Speaker 8 (45:25):
Enough, we're not We're not doing this anymore. And so when.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Kevin Schanall said, that's because you missed three, when he
said why he warned you for argon ball to strike
and Kevin Small said, Shanell said, could you miss three?

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Right?

Speaker 8 (45:39):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Like that's that's a pretty dead like I'll just say
this in a vacuum. That's a that's pretty automatic right there,
Like you're you're escalating with the umpire and the Empire
has already told you.

Speaker 8 (45:51):
I don't want to escalate now.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Having said that, Kevin Schanall is at fault, and he actually.

Speaker 8 (45:57):
Said, if saying that.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Gets you at that, I apologize because in our program
we own it.

Speaker 8 (46:03):
Now.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I gotta say it didn't seem like he was owing
it that much because he basically thinks that it was
weak sauce and I tend to agree. Look, I watched
Game seven of the NBA Finals last night where Rick
Carlisle did everything but you know, insult somebody's mama on
Britney Guellen, whatever, And I feel like there is a
fair amount of understanding of the context of the situation

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where you allow a coach some latitude Game seven of
the NBA Finals. You allow a coach some latitude, particularly
given your best player was just like injured and maybe.

Speaker 8 (46:38):
Like cast himself next year.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
On the court, you can't make a shot, You're like,
it is a very physical game, it's a very emotional game,
and you know the coach that's losing is gonna have
a hard time that particular pitch. Here's what I think,
Here's what I think happened first, Okay, and this is
where I'm gonna say, the umpires start getting it wrong.

Speaker 8 (47:00):
I've seen umpires so many times.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
A lot of times if if umpires feel like they're
right but justified, they'll they'll give you a little bit
more leash because it's like a difference of opinion and
you're letting them argue when an umpire isn't sure or
an umpire thinks they got it wrong. But pride gets
in the way. Is when we have overreaches like this,

(47:22):
Like the strike call that Kevin Snall was mad about
was basically a pitch out.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
It wasn't even close in my opinion, to what a
strike should be. And it's early in the.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Game, and if you've already got beef with a couple
of pitches, the first base coach is probably like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
you called that a strike?

Speaker 8 (47:37):
And he probably is asking it because he assumes at
the ball because of where the pitch was right.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
He ass he's asking the question. Kevin Snall from the
dugout probably asking the question, I wonder if the umpire
knows he missed it. But he's not gonna play today,
and so he tries to act tough, like he's totally
in control, and so he overreaches and he gives a warning.

Speaker 8 (47:56):
Twenty.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
You cannot give a warning to the opposing coach for
a dozen pitches in the bottom of the first standing,
when it's team bagging for the first time. You cannot
give that warning. There's no way that enough language, enough
words have been built up to be able.

Speaker 8 (48:14):
To justify that. That's the first thing. After that, Kevin
Smoth probably should.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Have kept his mouth shut. You probably should have had
a little bit of a calmer demeanor. But before that,
it's on the empire and then the umpire that gave
him two games because he's embarrassed because he tripped over his.

Speaker 8 (48:27):
Own two feet. That is embarrassing and that that should
not happen.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
I will be honest and say I think that crew
totally lost control immediately in a game. It was one
of those situations where once you eject the head coach
once like you kind of just have to let everybody.
You kind of just have to let everybody simmer because
it's very emotional, like Coasta Carolina is gonna have a
very hard time winning that game without its head coach.
And it felt like the umpire has just had absolutely

(48:54):
no situational awareness at the best and at worst seem
like they were personally embarrassed and so they acted out
of that, which you cannot do professionally in a game
of that magnitude.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
What blows my mind is I get, you know, I
get the letter of the law, I get the rules,
I get all of that. I just feel like kind
of like you do, like as the umpire in that
moment when he when he flashes because you miss three.
In that moment, you kind of have to be the
adult in the room and understand that the temperatures are

(49:31):
boiling hot. For these coaches, it's a huge game, and
you just walk over to them and you say, look, coach,
this is a national championship game. I could throw you
out at this point if five, Oh, you're not saying
it out loud, right, you're kind of just you're talking
kind of in his ear. I could throw you out
for this. Let's play the game. Let's just get back
to the game. And that's it. And this isn't a story.
And man, if this was I even said this earlier, Quaul,

(49:54):
if this was the first game of the season, I
would say, what is happening throwing a coach out in
the bottom of the first inning. It's just it's pretty
much unheard of in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
You know what's funny to me is like I I
truly have no idea what makes umpires frustrated, Like, I
really don't.

Speaker 8 (50:12):
Eric Packetts is not Bobby Cox.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
But how many times Derek Becket's got ejected?

Speaker 8 (50:16):
I mean, he hadn't been incluseing that long. A guy
gets ebjected once a year.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
I don't know why SEC teams, which, oh, that's another
layer of this, sou swany name me the times that
SEC players and coaches have been ejected in a postseason game,
and I'll start listening off the times that their opponents.

Speaker 8 (50:32):
Have been ejected. And you tell me if the SE
is the only.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
League that talks like it's Sunday School and doesn't say
a word to anybody and follows all the decorum and
the protocol about how to act around umpires.

Speaker 8 (50:44):
And the only leagues that do it wrong are literally
every other league.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
We can have a full on conversation about that if
you want to, but be that as it may. I mean,
like Tony Ptello is not getting ejected left and right,
but that guy yells and screams and makes a mess
of of.

Speaker 8 (50:59):
Of umpires all day long.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
The guy doesn't get ejected all the time. Why Kevin
Schenell the first time he steps out of the dugout
he gets a warning because the first base coach says, hey,
that was the pitch out and.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
You called it to strike.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
How in the world is that all justified?

Speaker 8 (51:12):
It just doesn't. It doesn't make any sense. And like
I said, it is pretty curious.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
That we don't have an example of Boyd that SEC
team sure got holes by that ejection in the postseason
of baseball, and we do have several examples of that.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
I mean, Clemson is obviously right in the forefront of
a couple. Yeah, he's the memory. But now Coast of
Carolina is as well.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
William Quaker Busch is on Twitter at qual Talk. You
know the other thing too, Qualk And you may have
noticed this when you listen to the audio, it almost
sounds like the first base umpire when he's following the
or whoever it was it was following Matt Shillings Shilling's
walking off, it almost sounds like that guy says something
along the lines like you want some more, Like what

(51:52):
are we doing? You guys are supposed to be in charge,
not challenging the coaches.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Well, and that's Angel Campo. So the guy that ejected
Shilling is the same it's the home plate umpire.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
It's the same guy that ejected Kevin Schnall.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
It's also the same guy that ejected Kim Canrella two
years ago for apparently saying some really bad words to
theuthiest team in the history of college baseball. I mean,
it's it's absolutely ridiculous, but that's that's what he is.
He was fired for Major League Baseball as an umpire
there eight years and twenty fourteen because he sucked at
his job and the guys behind the plate in Game

(52:27):
two at College World Series, how on the ward are
we grading these guys. What in the world is going
into this system that we have an untiring crew with
that thin of skin, with that quick a trigger in
the biggest moments.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
I'm going to tell you right now. You know, just two.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Championships were handed out yesterday, one in college baseball, one
in the NBA.

Speaker 8 (52:46):
So I'm gonna compare it.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Scott Foster is not officiating Game seven of the NBA Finals.
In my opinion, some of that is because he tends
to have.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
A little bit of a quick trigger.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
He tends to be a little bit of a name
when it comes to like he's not gonna put up
with craft from coaches and players in this and that
and the other. Now, some people might disagree. I think
there's anecdotal evidence maybe on both sides of that. So
the bottom line is they put guys out there that
we're gonna be able.

Speaker 8 (53:11):
To take a little bit. You didn't see any.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Tony Brothers wasn't out there in the NBA Finals Game seven.
Why Because Tony Brothers has a reputation for being snarky
and trying to escalate with players and coaches. You do
not want that in a Game seven. And it's my
thought that you shouldn't want it in the game two
of a college World Series, but that is not what
we got yesterday. And whether they thought that's what they
were gonna get or they didn't care, rest assured. The

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NCAA needs to think twice about the types of officials
that they are putting out on the field in these
gigantic moments, because if not, we're going to continue to
have travesties like a game at least partially decided by
whose coaches are not allowed to be in a game
for the final eight innings.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
And you know what else is kind of lost qualt
how good these two games actually ended up being. I mean,
Game one, Kate Anderson for LSU was phenomenal. LSU scores
one run in the bottom half of the first inning
and across the board it's it's nil the rest of
the way. And you say to yourself, what you know,
You've got this Southeastern Conference power program winning two out

(54:12):
of three championships, and you've got Coastal you know, much
smaller school but heavily invested in baseball, and in all
of that in some ways got lost because of what
happened yesterday. And that's where the NCAA really needs to
look at the officials and the umpires because it's taken
away from even though Coastal Excuna be the LSU wins
the series two. Oh, it was a great couple of games.

Speaker 8 (54:36):
Yeah, I mean, no question.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
I mean, look, if I Coastal wins one nothing on Saturday,
I mean I think maybe Kevin Schnall's not, as you know,
uptied in the first inning. But to your point, that's
how good Kate Anderson was like, he probably thinks we
did just about everything we could do. We even put
guys on base against them, and that guy's too good.
And they're looking at LSU going they're just a little

(54:59):
bit deeper, a little more talent. Said, I'll be honest,
I picked Arkansas to win before the NCAA tournament started.

Speaker 8 (55:05):
I stuck with it when the college Garth Series started.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
But I did put a little cooling when I was
in illegal gambling state a couple weeks ago. I did
put a low point on Coastal Carolina plus six fifty
because I thought people were underestimating the depth of that pitching.
And I do think Kevin Schnall understood after Game one
that they may have met their match, and that they
were gonna need to get a few breaks, and they
certainly could not get some breaks if they were gonna
win two straight games against that LSU team. You know

(55:29):
what kind of sucks about yesterday as a whole, is
like the things that we're talking about today, both happened
to the losing teams.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Right.

Speaker 8 (55:37):
Yeah, you got the ejection, coach.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
And it's not about LSU playing. I mean two games
of virtually flawless baseball. Just a remarkable, remarkable performance by
LSU and two games and then you've got Tyree Haliburton's
injury for the Pacers that you're talking about instead of
a remarkable season by Oklahoma City Thunder where they won
eighty four basketball games and they won a game seven
at home where they probably didn't play their best, but

(56:01):
they they have one of the better second half that
I can remember.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
And we'll shift gears to this one because I know
it's one that's a little painful for you still with
Indiana falling last night, Tyrese Haliburton getting injured, I set
it out of the gates very similar to you. It's
disappointing that these are the things we're having to focus
on after these championship games. From the Halliburton standpoint, though,
you know, we've kind of seen this before. Guys get
one little injury. They had talked about this calf, he

(56:25):
had tried to play through it, and then unfortunately sometimes
that escalates to something bigger, like this Achilles deal that
may keep him out for most of the season next
year as well. Certainly, you got to congratulate Oklahoma City,
but man, I know you follow the Pacers. I know
you support the Pacers. Qualk. It was a heck of
a run. Man, I hated to see it in the
way it did.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
You know, it is a great run, and I don't
I'm not. You know, you are going to play the
what if game? But like, if that's as far as
they got, I mean, they weren't supposed to win that game.
If they win, it would have been a cherry on top.
I got to watch Game seven, the NBA Finals, and
my dad and my brother. That's a great you know,
that's a great memory that we're gonna share forever, and

(57:08):
we're gonna remember that. Tyree Saliverton, who there's no guarantees
about how he was gonna play or how long he
was gonna play, but they.

Speaker 8 (57:16):
Got nine points in seven minutes.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Yeah, he had first threes and him out of the game.
That defense was able to not just the three point shot,
but the ability to hit deep threes. Uh, it just
there was not enough space for anybody to create and
that that ultimately is what hurt the Pacers in the
second half. They went through an entire quarters worth of
time for the only Pacer that scored was TJ McConnell,

(57:42):
and I think part of it was that they just
had the life sucked out of him a little bit.

Speaker 8 (57:45):
Yeah, they were up one at the half, and they.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Kind of hung around for a while, but once Oklahoma
City started hitting threes, which they hadn't done in a
couple of games to that point, in the third quarter,
he was pretty much over. It is a great run, though, Man,
it's a great run. I think Tyree's Alberton is in
the Reggie Miller camp right now, especially if he stays
with the Pacers as sort of one of those like
conquering hero kind of guys. And it sucks that next

(58:09):
year is going to be compromised because of that injury too,
because they're trying to resign Miles Turner, They're trying to
bring everybody back. They just traded their first round pick
to get next year's back, because I think they were
trying to just run just directly run it back with
virtually the same roster, hopefully with Jaris Walker and Isaiah
Jackson back, and so it sucks from that standpoint, And
then you know, turned to Oklahoma City. I mean, I

(58:32):
got my issues with the way they play and the
way the game is officiated for them, obviously at heightened
because my team.

Speaker 8 (58:37):
Was on the other side.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
But Shaik Gilgis Alexander is a pro. I mean he's like,
is he the best player in the league now? But
did he have the best season?

Speaker 8 (58:44):
I mean probably that guy is automatic when he gets
to his spots.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
He's allowed to do a lot of physical things, but
once he gets there, you're not guaranteed to make the shots,
and he's able to make the plays.

Speaker 8 (58:55):
And then the core around him was very good. Chet
holmger and finally woke up last night.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Willilliams has been off and on, but he was sensational
in the second half. I can't say good things about
the Thunder and the.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Roster and the way they played well, and I was
so impressed at the end when Giljis Alexander got the MVP,
but then when he was talking about you know, he
basically said, hey, this is share between me and Jalen
Williams and kind of handed him that MVP trophy as well.
People talk about that team aspect. Clemson preaches and focuses
on that aspect of it all. You know that it's
about the collective whole. And what's scary about Oklahoma City

(59:28):
qualk and I'll get you out of here because I
know you've got a lot to do today. What's scary
is you talk about a team that's probably gonna come
together pretty much intact and then has draft picked the
lore to continue to load up. Man, we might be
seeing a little many dynasty brewing there in ok See.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
You know what's funny is like their problem now is
do we keep everything together? Do we keep adding with
first round picks? Do we try to get another star?
We rich messing up the chemistry.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
Because like this, this team could stay together.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
There's nothing that says they can't stay together and again
try to run it back. That is a challenge for
Sam Presty in that front office is just trying to
decide do we run it back? With this corps again,
do we make some moves and risk maybe kilting the
chemistry off just a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
That's why they get paid the big bucks, but they
certainly can't take this one away from them, that's for sure.
And they they earned it, and I look, I know
people are gonna put an asterisk on it. They won
two game sevens. They beat the best playing the world
and Nicola jokicch in my opinion, they beat the timber Wolves,
who were playing as good a basketball as anybody when
they walked into that series, and they beat the best

(01:00:34):
team in the NBA not named the Thunder from January
first to the end. I mean, I know, Haliburton, you
put an asteris there. They'd already beaten the Pacers three
times with Haliburton either healthier.

Speaker 8 (01:00:43):
Close to it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
There's no guarantees in that game, So I personally, I
don't put an asterisk by this for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Oklahoma City sixty eight and fourteen, one of the best
regular seasons we've ever seen in the NBA, and they
cap it with a championship, one of the three to
ninety one. Last night, Oklahoma City, Qualt, Buddy, always appreciate
you my man, have a great day.

Speaker 8 (01:01:01):
Thanks Swaning, you too, are is gonna be winning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
There you go, William Qualkan Bush. Qualk it like I
talk it, quawk it like I talk it. I don't
know if how could his name be quawk talk Now
some of you are going, I don't know what you're
talking about. Swanne. There's a song that says walk it
like I talk it, So quawk it like I talk it.
A little play on his name, we'll play on this
Twitter handle. Oh yeah, there you go, William Qualgan Bush

(01:01:26):
here with us on a Monday afternoon. Don't forget tomorrow.
In this same segment, Mike Eva Gamecockcentral dot Com, as
we peek over the fence in the backyard of the
South Carolina game Cocks on a Tuesday afternoon. I got
a busy Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
We're going up to Charlotte, my son and I to
go see professional soccer match. So some European squads. I
can't remember who's playing. Names I can't pronounce put it
that way, but good soccer. Nonetheless, quick breat we'll come back.
We talked about dra Quinn last week committing to the Tigers.

(01:02:02):
We'll talk a little bit more about the type player
I think he can be for Clemson when we get back.
Keep it a lot right here on Fox Sports Radio
fourteen hundred for more Clemson sports talk. Back at It
Clemson's Sports Talk on a Monday. That was William Qualkinbush
before the Break again an ump show. That's the way

(01:02:23):
I feel about Coastal Carolina in LSU and Game two.
I mean, it's too bad we're not seeing a Game
three today. It doesn't mean that there would have been
a Game three, even if the umpires show some restraint. Yeah,

(01:02:44):
you have to understand the situation. In my opinion, you
have to understand the situation. You're not This is not
just a game in the middle of May. This is
the College World Series. This is the National Championship game.

(01:03:05):
This isn't even the eighth inning of the National Championship game.
After maybe fans go, well, he has been on his
rear end for hours. This is what eighteen pitches are
so into the game. I just unbelievable, unbelievable. And you know,

(01:03:27):
for LSU, congratulations Obviously they were the best team this year.
With the way things closed out. They won two out
of the last three championships. And add into the mix
what the Southeastern Conference has done LSU in twenty twenty five,

(01:03:49):
Tennessee in twenty twenty four, LSU and twenty three Ole
miss in twenty twenty two, Mississippi State in twenty twenty one.
There was no tournament in twenty twenty because of COVID,
Vanderbilt in twenty nineteen. That means six consecutive national champions
have been from the Southeastern Conference and it's five different teams.

(01:04:17):
That's quite the spread. You go back a little further
and you do find Florida there in twenty seventeen that
won it, and you go back to Vanderbilt in twenty fourteen.
So I mean, there have been a lot of teams
from the SEC that have won national championships. And it's
funny because you could make the argument that Alabama for

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so long was so dominant in football that the perception
of the Southeastern Conference across the board from the fan
base became, hey, we're all great because look how many
championships everybody's winning, But that everybody, for the most part
was Alabama. And recently, obviously Georgia stepped up and we

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saw LSU get a championship in recent memory. But what
the Southeastern Conference has done in baseball with these teams
in the past decade, Let's just say twelve years for
safe numbers here, Vandy, Florida, Mississippi State, Ole, miss LSU,

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and Tennessee. Six teams winning championships in a twelve year window,
basically six different ball clubs. That's called parody and really
good programs. Now, were they deserving of thirteen teams to

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be in the tournament given the fact that just two
LSU and Arkansas made it to the College World Series?
I tend to think not, okay, But that does not
diminish who won the championships. And in light of that,
you look at it, six teams since twenty fourteen from

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the Southeastern Conference have won titles. LSU's one two and
Vanderbilt has won two. But everybody else, it's a nice
little spread of teams. You don't get that same spread
when you look at it from the standpoint of college football.
As a matter of fact, this is gonna be a

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fun one. We'll go BCS era, right, We'll just see
has because I don't think this is I don't think
six Southeastern Conference teams have won the championship in college football,
if we go back to the beginning of the BCS.

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All right, let's count it back. So this pastor was
Ohio State, before that, Michigan. All right, there's Joe Georgia
winning two in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Alabama,
we know that they've been a staple LSU. That's the
third Southeastern Conference team. Auburn wins one in twenty ten,

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Florida in eight, and for another you go back to
ninety eight, the first year Tennessee. So ironically, you have
to go back to the beginning of the BCS championship
in nineteen ninety eight, almost thirty years ago, before you
find the sixth Southeastern Conference team to win a championship

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in football. Now, I'm not saying that the Southeastern Conference
didn't win championships in the years that Alabama won multiple.
What I'm saying is sixth the sixth team. But in
baseball you only got to go back a little more
than a decade to find that spread of championship talent

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from the Southeastern Conference. That tells you all you need
to know about how the wealth in baseball is much
more spread than it is in football. In the Southeastern
Conference in my opinion.

Speaker 8 (01:08:22):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Furthermore, it might also have something to do with the
fact that in the BCS era, in the college football
payoff Our era, only a certain amount of teams get
in kind of a limiting factor, where with a sixty
fourteen pool, you play your way into the tournament and

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you can get a lot of teams from your conference
that advance if they play well. Like that also helps,
but you still had to have six different teams go
out and win in those eleven twelve seasons or whatever,
versus only having six teams that have won since nineteen
ninety eight. And if you wanted to push it one

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further to a seventh team in football out of the
Southeastern Conference, I'm you, I mean you, lord, I don't
even know how far back you'd have to go. Looking
you can't include Texas and Oklahoma. I see them on
the list, but they weren't in the Southeastern Conference. Ole

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Miss nineteen sixty for the seventh team. So I tells
you how baseball in the SEC has been a little
bit sharper on a regular basis and spread out amongst
different teams than football. I would say, stay with us.
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so you know we're kind of in the midst of

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the summer season. Golf is abound individuals or out on
the golf course quite frequently, and it's a sport. I
played a good bit as a kid, hadn't played much
as an adult, but can still play, kind of like
riding a bike. Really. I mean, I'm never gonna be
a guy that plays the way individuals who play all
the time play by any means, but I'm I'm decently

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competitive when we're out there. But I saw a video
posting about Tiger Woods versus Jack Nicholas and what's crazy
about golf and and the Tiger Woods saga if you

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will is how many championships Tiger Woods would have won
if the family situation didn't just completely come and glued, like,
I don't Tiger what Tiger gave up on when he,

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in my opinion, was gallivanting around and some people would say,
you know, that's when he was playing his best golf Swanny,
But when it all came crashing down, that essentially ended
Tiger Woods and his threat to Jack Nicholas and the
eighteen majors that Nicholas won during his time as a golfer,

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because you think about that large window where Tiger won
the US Open in two thousand and eight and then
did not win another championship until the Masters in twenty nineteen,
and here we are again, ballooning towards another decade without

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a championship. And he's not old yet by any means,
at forty nine. But with all the stuff he's been
through from a health wise, you know, the car wreck,
the issues that he's dealt with with his knee, it

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does feel like Tiger's chances of running down Jack are
pretty much over with because the final three major wins
that Nicholas had and it was a different time in
strength training, etc. But he won the US opening the
PGA in nineteen eighty when he was forty and he

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won the Masters and is still the oldest Masters champion
in nineteen day six when he was forty six years old,
which is younger than Tiger Woods is already. But I
saw a graphic that put out some information on Tiger
versus Jack, and if there was a debate at some point,
that debate is now shut down. Major wins Jack Nicholas eighteen,

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Tiger fifteen runner up at a major, runner up at
a major. How about this, Nicholas nineteen, Tiger Woods seven.
Nicholas has twelve more runner ups than Tiger. Tiger has

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legitimately been in contention to win twenty two majors based
off of being a runner uper the winner. Nicholas thirty
seven major championship top finishes. Tiger has only had thirty
three top five finishes. Nicholas had thirty seven top twos.

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Nicholas had fifty six top five finishes Tiger during his career.
And this is kind of unfair to Tiger because of
the way the injuries and stuff he's dealt with. Twelve
missed cuts. Nicholas only missed six cuts in his career.
How about top three finishes, Nicholas forty six, twenty more

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than Tiger who had twenty six top three finishes. Now
there's one category Tiger does win tour victories. Tiger Woods
has won eighty two times on tour, Nicholas won seventy
two times on tour and tour runner up. Nicholas had

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fifty seven tour runner ups compared to tigers thirty one.
Now we could argue there's perhaps something to do with
the nature of the sport and the involvement of the
international players during Nicholas's time playing and Tiger's time playing,

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like there's probably been some of that uptick. I also
think in some respects, and this is gonna make maybe
some people who are a little bit older a little
bit upset with me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Can speak a little louder, but I'm have to throw
him my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
But I think that Nicholas played in an era where
it wasn't as broadly covered newspapers and strength training, et cetera.
Wasn't a big deal, and so because of the impact
that Tiger had on that, I think more people were

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capable of getting better faster because of the era that
Tiger Woods was playing in, versus Nicholas. I don't think
golfers and equipment and things like that changed as rapidly
as he did. Once computerized technology and you know, things
of that nature kind of came into the game. And

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I think in some respects, like everything, the technological advances
probably advanced the competition to catch up with Tiger and
surpassed Tiger as well. But you know, if Tiger had
never had his issues, maybe he presses Nicholas. But I
mean it for me. I thought for years that when

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I was fifty, I'd be saying Tiger Woods is the
greatest golfer that there's ever been. But statistically speaking, it's
not close. It's still the Golden Bear, Jack Nicholas, who
is the greatest golfer that has ever walked the face

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of this earth? Quick break. We'll put a bow on
the show when we get back. Keep it locked.

Speaker 10 (01:17:15):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture, don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answers to the questions
what have you done for me lately? And what have
you done?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Always are the same.

Speaker 10 (01:17:41):
We win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Final segment on a Monday, thanks again to William Qwalkinbush.
Don't forget Mike. You'va joins us tomorrow here on the
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zero eighty six. That is the text line and the
phone line. And again the biggest news in the world
of sports. Two main things the Oklahoma City Thunder winning
in Game seven, bringing the first professional championship to Oklahoma City,

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and also in college baseball, LSU beating Coastal Carolina yesterday
for the National Championship. Now, some people have said talking about,
you know, the coaching situation, and again I thought that
Kevin Shanal getting thrown out of the game was in
poor formed by the umpire And this is not the

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same thing. But Jay Johnson after Game one, I believe,
was explaining to the media why he showed restraint after
a review. Now this it's a key point. This that
we're talking about with Kevin Shanal was not after a review. Okay,

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that's not what this was. So it's two different things.
Really it might be a little apples to oranges, apples
to oranges, if you will. But Jay Johnson, head coach
of elis you said this about his restraint in game one.

Speaker 11 (01:20:08):
Yeah, I mean as far as the after, you're not
supposed to go out there after a review.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Like so the umpire was correct and I know that,
and I knew that.

Speaker 11 (01:20:17):
I just wanted clarification for him, and the ball was
clearly in the batter's box, like I'm not sure what
he was supposed to do. And it's a tough rule
where you're you're rewarding the pitcher for throwing a ball
in that in that case, and I thought he did
make attempt to roll. But at that point, my team
needs me to stay poised and focused and calm, and

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as they said, get to the next pitch.

Speaker 10 (01:20:40):
And that was that.

Speaker 11 (01:20:43):
So if you're just you're not allowed to after review,
you're not allowed to go back out to the umpire.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
And and so that kind of makes sense, right, Like
there's a review, guy gets hit in the in the
batter's box, there's determination, Did he try to get away
from the ball, did he lean in, et cetera, et cetera,
And what coach Johnson. They are saying is that you
reward a pitcher for throwing a ball, but after a review,
you can't go back out there. And if there had

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been a review and then that happened, I'd probably still
feel similar about it to how I do right now.
But the way like, there are moments in sports where
the coaches unequivocally escalate the issue, and I think every

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one of us is okay in the moment when the
coach escalates the issue for the consequence, whatever it is,
it happens. But it does also feel like when you
watch that situation that unfolded, that the referee escalated the issue,
and that I think is the problem with this situation

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is that it was the umpire who rapidly like poured
gasoline on a fire and then panicked about why the
room was hot, Like, dude, you're the one that pushed
the envelope here. You're the one that took this thing
up a notch, and that I think is the reason

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that this was such a bad look. If the coach
escalates it, no doubt put it on the coach. But
when the perception seems to be that the person that
escalated it is the umpire, it really becomes difficult to
sit in here on a Monday and defend the coach

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being thrown out of a national championship game. And honestly,
like the whole thought process of you can't argue balls
and strikes like you can't argue balls and strikes the
the single And we talked about the outsafe play the

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other day where whether it was the play where what
was it, Armando Galarraga or whatever, it didn't get the
what an Armando maybe it was, I can't remember, didn't
get the perfect game. And I talked about how, you know,
an umpire could just make a mistake and we don't.
We're unable to fix it. And we had a play
where a guy was completely safe and was ruled out

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in another recent ball game, and there's nothing you could
do to overturn. You know, that type of stuff if
you don't have a challenge in professional baseball or whatever.
But I'm not asking for balls and strikes to necessarily
be like something you should be able to argue over
and over. But dude, if an umpire is having a

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bad day judging the strike zone, if arguing about it
with him gets you ejected or even a warning blow,
my mom, like, that's the one thing you should be like,
come on, Like, I don't know if the guy's name
is Steve, come on, Steve, get together, Like, oh, there's

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your warning. You're doing a terrible job. You have one job,
be a good umpire control the game. And I felt
like they took the chance away from Coastal. All right,
we'll talk more about tomorrow till then, As always, you'll
take care now and coat tigers.