The "Overtime Rules" Edition

Lots of overtime games littered the television this weekend, including Tony Elliott and Virginia knocking off No. 8 Florida State in Charlottesville.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Each time for Clipson Sports Talk with Lawton Swan.

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about Clemson, South Carolina, what Virginia did against Florida State.
We're certainly turning our attention to the really solid matchups
we had between Oregon and Penn State and Alabama and Georgia.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
A fantastic weekend in my estimation for college football. It
was awesome. And one of the things that I know
we're not necessarily quote getting the call of the College
Football Playoff expanding to twelve, But I think the feeling

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that we are getting when we watch these games with
the College Football Playoff expanding to twelve is that, yes,
there are upsets. Yes there are big losses that hurt
your your your odds of making the playoffs, et cetera.
For example, like previously ranked number four LSU losing to

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Ole Miss twenty four to nineteen, again type ball game.
But you can afford a loss. And after the loss
that Penn State had to Oregon, James Franklin, you know,
didn't say it in so many words, but he did

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say that in this era of college football, there aren't
gonna be, you know, many teams that are unscathed. And
here was Penn State Oregon, a double overtime thriller. Where,
quite frankly, when Oregon scored to take a seventeen to

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three lead with twelve twenty five left in the fourth quarter,
again seventeen to three, you thought, I don't know if
Penn State's got the goods to come back in and
Drew Aller and company answered, going four plays seventy five
yards a thirty five yard touchdown pass to Davonte Ross,

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making it seventeen to ten, sending Beaver Stadium into a frenzy,
beautiful whiteout environment, just a spectacular fall evening of college
football there in State College. Penn State would score again
with thirty seconds remaining, as Davonte Ross would catch a

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seven yard pass from Drew Aller as a perfectly pieced
again the other fifteen play sixty two yard drive ate
up six thirty seven off of the clock, allowing the
Nitney Lions to tie the game just before the end
of regulation. I mean, considering the fact that Oregon had

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four hundred and twenty four total yards in.

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This game.

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Yet only scored seventeen points in regulation, tells you a
lot about just how this game kind of played out,
and the fact that there was a lot of moving
of the ball but not a lot of scoring. And
the Oregon Ducks didn't turn the ball over, which is
another weird situation now, they almost did, and for Penn State,

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it was a huge play. It was in the third
fourth quarter, early fourth quarter, on Oregon scoring drive to
take that seventeen to three lead, they're running back, his
knee just scaped the turf and instead of a turnover
that would have gone Penn State's way, Oregon, after review

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got to hold onto the ball and score. And I
know that would have been the moment that Penn State
fans just said, ah, we got hosed. That's the play,
but instead they answered with too late touchdowns. Penn State
actually takes the lead in overtime the first overtime they
score first to take a twenty four to seventeet advantage.

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Oregon answered, of course, with the overtime rules, they flip loop.
Who's got it? More on that in a minute when
we jump back into Tony Elliott and Virginia's win over
Florida State. But in the second overtime, now you have
to go for two, and so Oregon scored on the

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first play of the second overtime on a twenty five
yard pass from Dante Mordegary Bryant Junior. They failed on
the conversion, so pennst then got the ball knowing that
if they score, they will be going for two to
win the game. And the Niitney Lions throw an interception

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on the first play of the second overtime, and with that,
Drew Allers passed intercepted by Dylan Thayman, and that would
end it and Penn State would lose another Top ten
matchup under head coach James Franklin. Their fan base completely

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frustrated by it. I mean, it was a really good
football game, and students in the south end zone erupted
into fire Franklin Chance, believing that coach Franklin can't get
this team over the hump. The Nitney Lions feel like

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they have all the pieces to make a run in
the college football playoff. But they just can't punch their
ticket and that was a terrible, terrible mistake by Drew Aller.
Quite frankly, that's a situation, in my opinion, that you
can't turn that ball over. You just can't turn that

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ball over. You have to make you have to you
have to see what's happening and live to fight another day.
But that wasn't the only overtime game in college football
this weekend. It started on Friday night as Virginia and
Tony Elliott topped Florida State, who was at the time

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rank number eight in the country forty six thirty four. Okay,
there's a lot to like about Tony Elliott and Vergin
Virginia and that offense with Chandler Morris, quite frankly, and
we have Chad Morris on every week on Wednesday. Chandler

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Morris's numbers in that game against Florida State are probably
what Clemson fans were hoping Kate Klubnick's numbers would look
like this year with the Clemson Tigers, and Kate and
the Tigers will be back on the gridiron this weekend
up in Chapel Hill. But Chandler Morris wasn't perfect. He

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did throw three interceptions, and you might say, well, that's
a terrible day, Swanee, But he was twenty six and
thirty five for two hundred and twenty nine yards, with
two touchdowns passing and three touchdowns rushing. And you might say, well,
how rare is that. Well, over the last thirty years,

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teams that have defeated an ap Top ten opponent with
twenty five completions, two or more passing touchdowns, and three
or more rushing touchdowns, all right, here's the list. Chandler
Morris cam Rising did it in twenty twenty two against

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Southern cal and Marcus Mariota did it in twenty fourteen
versus Arizona. That's the list. Those are the only players
in the past thirty years against the top ten team
to put up the numbers that Chandler Morris did in
Virginia's victory over Florida State. And that victory was good

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for Clemson in terms of the Atlantic Coast Conference and
the little chaos and you thought it was gonna go
really well for Clemson this weekend. And it's a weird
way to look at it, but you have to have
those teams that beat you lose. I mean that's really
step one. Syracuse got hammered by Duke, which isn't great cause, well,

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Duke's on your schedule. Thirty eight to three the final score.
The Duke Blue Devils just absolutely beat the breaks off
of a Syracuse team that bullied Clemson in Death Valley,
which I tweeted out at some point on Saturday. That
even furthers my belief. That furthers my belief that Clemson

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is not playing as hard as they can play. I
don't think you can be as good as Clemson is
supposed to be. I do not believe this that you
can be as good as Clemson is supposed to be
and play with any amount of effort and get bullied
around the way they did by a Syracuse team who
again got beat thirty eight to three by Duke. And

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of course it won't be but a couple of weekends
before the Tigers and the Blue Devils face off November
the first that game in Death Valley. So that was
kind of spark number two for Clemson's help. Right, Florida
State losing good, Syracuse losing, that's a positive. I feel
like if you're trying to somehow fortunate, fortunately finds your

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way back in the conversation for the ACC Championship, because
regardless of how bad your record is at this point,
the one thing still holds. If you get a chance
to play in your conference championship game and you win it,
you're in the college football playoffs. So you just at
this point are rooting for utter and sheer chaos, and
that appeared like you were gonna get it up until

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Georgia Tech and Wake Forest, and this game, more than
any game this weekend, thirty twenty nine in overtime should
have gone the way of Wake Forest. And this is not,
in my opinion, one of those scenarios where you know,
Daboswingy s talked a lot this season about the one play,

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if we'd have made one more play. Well. The Atlantic
Coast Conference issued a statement on a missed call in
the Wake Forest Georgia Tech game that would have resulted

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in wake Forest simply taking a knee to end the game.
The Yellow Jackets had no timeouts, the Demon Deacons had
a twenty three to twenty lead, working the clock laid
in regulation. Robbie Ashford thought he had a free play
because of Georgia Tech defender appeared to leap well off sides.

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Now Ashford didn't have to take that shot, but that's
kind of what you do in that moment. And you know,
if he had just attempted to try to scramble and
pick up the five yards, maybe he does and that
guy being off sides or not doesn't really matter. Officials
didn't throw the flag that stopped the clock because it
was an incomplete pass and the penalty would have been

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a five yard penalty on third and five. It may
or may not have it ended up being a first down.
It could have been like a third in inches, So
it's not like guaranteed that it was going to be
the five yards necessary. I'd really have to look at
the placement. But instead, with one forty one left, the
clock stopped and after the wait force punt, Georgia Tech

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got the ball back marched down the field thirty three
yard field goal to win or to tie the game
in regulation, And so with the acc admitting that the
officials made a mistake and missed that call, Georgia Tech
scored first in the first overtime and kicked the extra

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point to take a thirty two three lead. Wake Forest
with their possession in the first overtime scored, and then
this is always the risk that you run. You can
go for two at the end of the first overtime
and try to win the game, because you know in
the second overtime both teams have to go for two,

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so you can sort of take your shot. Early. Wake
Forest head coach Jake Dickert decided that he was going
to go for it, and unfortunately for Wake Forest, they
did not convert, and Georgia Tech sneaks out of Winston Salem.
And again we thought Georgia Tech had a schedule that
was more than manageable, that they could go undefeated in

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league play, and so Clemson, already having a couple of
losses in conference play, need bad things to happen to
the teams that beat them first and foremost, and then
chaos to occur everywhere else. Well started to look like
you might be getting that this weekend until that moment,

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and really for wake for us, just a gut punch
thirty to twenty nine overtime loss for the Demon Deacons
there and then finally a game that we didn't even
haven't even talked about yet. How about the spectacular display
of football that we got to see in Sanford Stadium Athens,

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Georgia under the lights, the first loss and what did
I say? Friday thirty three home night games for the
Georgia Bulldogs Alabama Ty Simpson. Remember Simpson really liked Clemson.
Clempson in Alabama, We're going head to head for ty Simpson.
Ty Simpson goes twenty four to thirty eight for two

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hundred and seventy six yards with two touchdowns in the game,
and Alabama holds on to beat Georgia twenty four to
twenty one. Kirby Smart late in the ball game, with
a chance to tie it, the Bulldogs in the fourth quarter,
down twenty four to twenty one, go nine plays, forty

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three yards, four minutes and ten seconds left or four
minutes of t seconds off the clock. They've got the
ball at the Alabama eight yard line with thirteen to
twenty remaining at home. The Bulldogs could have kicked the
field goal that would have tied the game. In my opinion,

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on the road, maybe you risk it for the biscuit there,
you know what I'm saying. Like on the road, maybe
you try to pick up that one yard fourth and one,
that first down at the eight yard line and hope
that you can go punch it in and steal a
ton of momentum from the home team. But I think
at home, I think personally, I kick the field goal
there and I make it twenty four. All I know

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I'm not going to lose the game with that decision
unless they got missed the kick, right. I mean, that's
a risk you take, but I know I'm not going
to lose the game in that moment, and I've got
plenty of time for my defense to show up. I
thought that was a mistake and I think ultimately that
cost Georgia that game because it likely goes to overtime

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and I would favor the home team there in overtime.
So for the world of college football, this weekend, multiple
overtime games, and there were some really really good ones
out there and some games that just missed going into overtime.
Clemson didn't get all the chaos maybe that they needed

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while they were on a bye week, but they got
a little bit. They did get a little help this weekend.
Now it's time to go out there and help yourself.
Go win against North Carolina, Go win next weekend against
Boston College. Pull back to two and two in the
ACC and then see how things shake out from there.

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I do think that six and two in the Atlantic
Coast Conference could potentially be good enough given what appears
to be a ton of parody in this league. One
thing that did not happen that I really hoped would too.
With the way it was playing out, it looked like
Louisville was going to get beat by Pitt. What a

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comeback by the Cards. Louisville trailed seventeen to nothing in
the first quarter. They came back to tie it at
seventeen before half. Pitt would actually get another couple of
scores before the break to take a twenty seven to
seventeen lead to the half. Louisville would get a third
quarter field goal and then two touchdowns in the fourth
quarter to win it twenty four to twenty seven. So

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they come from behind by seventeen and ten points respectively
at different points in this game to win. So a
huge survival for the Cardinals, who are now four to
zero on the season. When we come back, I'll let
you hear what Kirby Smart had to say about his
decision that may have cost the Dogs. Right after this,
on the long Clempson of Sports Talk on the Monday again,

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a great weekend of college football, great weekend in the
NFL if you're a Jacksonville Jaguars fan. More on that
in a minute. But Big Trev the Giant Killer, going
out there to an undefeated San Francisco facing an undefeated
San Francisco forty nine er team, Levi Stadium, the home
of his greatest accomplishment as an athlete, in my opinion,

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winning the National championship, hammering Alabama forty four to sixteen,
right there in that very sane stadium. Well, he likes it.
So does Travis etn He had a big game too.
We'll talk about that coming up in the next segment.
But they do get a win and move to three
to one on the season. Also, speaking of Lawrence's that
you know in the NFL, Sexy Dexi Clempson, did you

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see the play that Sexy Dexi had for the New
York Giants on Sunday? A little batted ball at the
line of scrimmage, brings it down, sheer athletic and then
nearly rumbles to the end zone for a touchdown. New

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York did get a win as well against the Los
Angeles Chargers twenty one eighteen. I posted that video on
all of our social media channels. You can find it
on Twitter and Facebook for sure. Here's what that play
call sounded like though. This was a lot of fun.
Anytime you get a big man rumbling, everybody gets worked up.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
After the backfield with a four man rush into Herbert
got it down, cupt.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Up, Luco's cut up, pumping man lawns the quarter down.
Can't cut him inside the file.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
He nearly made it. Dexter Lawrence on that play got
up to seventeen and a half miles an hour, the
second fastest he's ever run in an NFL game. You
know they've got all that stuff that tracks you nearly
got to the end zone. Here's what he had to
say about it after the game.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
I'll tell everybody, I'm the fastest.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
How close did you think you were going to get
to this low line?

Speaker 5 (22:03):
I thought I was gonna score. I knew he was
gonna go low, but I couldn't catch my feet quick enough.
But yeah, then I just went down about there was
a defensive line where they kind of give you a
real nice ribbon when you got caught at the three.
No no, I needed to catch some win.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Absolutely love that guy, man Dexter Lawrence. He was a
treat to cover, such a nice guy. Loved that jovial laugh.
I was trying to find the radio call for the
Giants network, but I couldn't find it. I'll dig a
little deeper on that maybe during the next break. Anyway,
before the break, we were talking about Georgia and Kirby

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Smart and the decision to go for a fourth and
one at the eight yard line when a field goal
ties the game you're playing at home. Here's what Kirby
Smart had to say about that decision in Athens. I
think that dropped Kirby to what one and seven. I
believe it is the number one in seven all time

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against Alabama as a head coach. Here's Kirby Smart on
that decision.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, we were third and four. I think we had
decided previous to that that if we gained anything, we
were going for it. We're going to probably kick a
field goal if we didn't get anything. So there's a
thing called sequencing where you sequence plays to try to
set up and know that you're going to go for it.
So we felt like we're going to go for it
if we got anything, and we did. We got it
down to fourth and one, and that play has been

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really successful for us. We've I think we had Tennessee
on it three times for conversion. We'd run it earlier
in the night and run it for conversion, and we
missed a block that you got to make and they
ran through and it made a really good play, made
a great play to stop it. But I'd do that
ten out of ten times. In terms of going for it,
the decision is whether you go for with tempo or not.
And we felt like tempo had been really good for

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us throughout the year.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
So he said he'd go for it ten out of
ten times in that situation. I mean, Alabama was pretty
dominated in the ballgame. Quite frankly. The Crimson Todd ran
seventy seven plays to Georgia's fifty three. They were thirteen
of nineteen on third down conversions. That's the most third

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down conversions Georgia has allowed in any game in the
past thirty seasons. And Kellen de Borg gets a marquee win,
gets the old proverbial monkey off his back, so to speak.
You know, we talked about big men with Dexter Lawrence

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I don't even know. See, let's see where Dexter's checking
in right now in the old weight department. Dexter is
six four three forty Alabama offensive tackle Caden Proctor six seven,

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three point fifty nine. I think they might even have
him at three sixty six on their actual roster. But
Caden Proctor, they flanked him out wide. Alabama threw him
the ball, and he bulldozed his way. It was fun
to watch for an eleven yard game down to the

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two yard line just before the half. And again, anytime
you see a big man rumbling and stumbling and bumbling
and fumbling and finding their way down to the end zone,
you got to get pretty excited about it. I mean,
quite frankly, we don't see enough of that in the

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world of college football. Always love when I get a
chance to see a big man in open space with
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By the way, we have another opening in the world
of college football, and this one's a doozy Arkansas fires
Sam Pittman after the Razorbacks two and three start. Remember
they were just in the ballgame a couple of weeks
ago against Old Miss, but they got absolutely toasted by

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Notre Dame. The Fighting Irish looked really good this weekend
against Arkansas, having their way in a fifty six thirteen
victory over the Hogs. They fired Sam Pittman on Sunday.
The new head coach interim head coach, I should say,

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Bobby Petrino. I don't think any of us thought after
we saw Bobby Patrino with road rash on his face
after wrecking a motorcycle as the head coach at Arkansas
that we'd come full circle. But yet here we are.
Patrino is now the headman, at least in the interim

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so to say, we didn't have that one on our
bingo card even when he was hired as the offensive coordinator. Still,
I truly did not think we'd ever see this day.
But the memes are gonna be spectacular. Well we come back.
I'll give you a stat about Penn State, Georgia and Clemson.
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State fans this week in certainly licking their wounds. Georgia
fans this weekend, also licking their wounds. Clemson, however, did
not have to play this weekend, so the Tigers survived
bye week. All that being said, this is a stat

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that's probably going to be shocking for the three teams
that are involved. But Penn State, Clemson, and Georgia are
now a combined er and twelve against the spread this season. Now,
if you're not a gambler, which I am not, you
might not know what that means. But that means that

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based off of the number that's been put out about
those teams and their opponents, you know, Clemson's favored by
x over their opponent, George is favored by this amount.
No team, none of those teams has covered it can
also mean that you're not favored too right, and you
can still not cover the spread. So Penn State, Georgia

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and Clemson zero to twelve against the spread this season,
that's not getting it done in Vegas, and it indicates
that you're not because the majority of the games those
teams are gonna be favored. It also indicates just how

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poorly maybe you've played. And speaking of being favored, Clemson,
who in four games, four ball games, has seventy nine points.
That is the worst offense in the Atlantic Coast Conference,
behind only one other team, North Carolina, who the Tigers

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will face this weekend. They've scored eighty four points this
season and both teams have given up exactly ninety one
points this year. North Carolina is two and two, but
again they have been blown out by both power for
opponents that they have faced, The Tigers of course one

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in three coming into this game. But the big question
on the minds of everybody is certainly how will Clemson respond.
But if we go back to that quote against the
spread statistic and we look at this matchup again against
North Carolina noon on ESPN this weekend, how does it

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bear out statistically by Vegas's standards. Clemson enters the week
as a thirteen and a half point favorite, nearly a
two touchdown favorite on the road against the tar Heels,
and according to ESPN's Matchup Predictor, the Matchup predictor is

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still buying into the Tigers seventy seven point five percent
chance to Clemson beats North Carolina in Chapel Hill this
weekend forty five and a half, though the over under
that is a low over under total over under meaning
of course, to two teams combining statistically in terms of points,

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So forty five total points is what they expect in
this ballgame. And the question is would you buy that
the teams will score more than forty five combined points
or less? It's actually forty five and a half. The
other thing I will bring up too, talking about spreads

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and betting and whatnot, did you notice that during game
day College game Day, they now have games that they
pick instead of what it's been all these years, straight
up right, like, who do you think is gonna win?

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, I think this team is gonna win. They are
now picking several of these games against the spread. In
our life, the things that have changed in the world
of college football it's kind of bizarre. I mean, we've
got players now being paid, right, we're having to adjust
to that and mix in the fact that now we've

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also got the situation where betting and gambling is almost recognized.
I don't want to call it supported, but when ESPN
is casting their picks for these games against the spread
on college game Day, you're sort of supporting the concept

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and that was not all that long ago. Sort of
a would you call it like A no no? I
think that'd be the best way to say a no no, like,
especially in the business that they're in where they're broadcasting
the games now, even where I sit in this seat

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at Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred. You know, it's not
something that I can do to come on and give
betting advice, or at least maybe I can, but I'm
not supposed to. I don't really I should probably know
all the rules on that. But it's part of the
reason I don't talk about this stuff too much. I
just I will bring up what the spread is, but

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I don't bring up typically, you know, and I would lie,
I would take the over right. They don't talk about
the games like that. But it was kind of frowned
upon because they really wanted you. And I'm not talking
about Fox Sports. I'm talking about ESPN and everybody. I
think they want everybody to be just kind of objective
in their view and not lean into Vegas odds, et cetera.

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But now that's man. They have ripped that band aid
all off. They have ripped that band aid off again.
Clemson and North Carolina noon kickoff on ESPN. What's that
now for Clemson? Is that the third consecutive noon kickoff?
Was that Troy game? Also in nooner? I think it

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might have been a noon kickoff? Is that four consecutive
noon kickoffs? Let me check? Let me double check that
Troy kick Tom No, it looks like that was a
three thirty start. Seven thirty for LSU, three thirty for Troy,
noon for Georgia Tech, and noon for Syracuse and now

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noon for North Carolina for your Clemson Tigers. All right,
with a quick break, we'll come back. We'll put a
bow on our number one plus William Qualkin Bush, Hey,
I love this about Mondays. We get pretty much full access, unedited,
unfiltered William Qualkin Bush. The week has not even had
a chance to influence him. Yet he's one show, and

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we get to find out what he thinks about the
weekend in our number two of the show, Keep it
a Lot right here on Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred,
final segment of our one coming up, William Qualkin Bush
joins the program eight O three four to five zero
zero eighty six. Get those texts in now to talk
about the matchups over the weekend. Man, Now Tony Elliott

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getting a lot of love from Clemson Tiger fans online,
Certainly we can open that up to you. I did
see this sad story North Carolina State defensive coordinator DJ Elliott,
and talking about Tony Elliott kind of reminded me of this.

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He didn't coach against Virginia Tech over the weekend due
to a family emergency. His daughter Drew died after a
five year battle with cancer. I mean, just just awful,
awful stuff there. And I was looking, you know, NC

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State football. They're on Twitter at Pack football, and we
don't have any any love lost for the wolf Pack
with Dave Durant as their head coach, right, We've given
a lot of grief to them over the years. But
Drew Margaret Elliott eighteen years old, born in two thousand
and seven. Just tragedy as a father. You can't even

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you can't even put it, you know, into words when
you think about what coach Elliott dj Elliott again, it's
not Tony Elliott, if you're just joining us. This is
the defensive coordinator at INC State, his daughter passing away.
So he did not coach this weekend. And quite frankly,
I'm going to be honest, I know there are many

(36:55):
of you out there that have dealt with, you know,
a similar situation, and it is very difficult to even
think about how you would go about handling life after
something like that. And if coach Elliott d. J Elliott

(37:17):
at NC State didn't coach another game this season, I
couldn't like fault him at all, you know, I know
that the thing that they that people will tell you though,
certainly is you want to get back to normal and
try to live, you know, because your daughter or whomever
you lost certainly wouldn't want you to not continue doing

(37:43):
what you love to do. But dj Elliott was the
defensive coordinator at Kansas back in twenty twenty when his
daughter first fell ill with pediatric cancer, and he said
quod at that time, he said, I don't even know
how to explain the emotions or thoughts that go through

(38:04):
your mind. It's nothing that you ever expect to hear,
and you don't really have a plan for it. So
when we got the news that Drew had cancer, we
were devastated. And now I can only imagine what that
family is going through after a five year battle for
their daughter and having her pass away. So our thoughts

(38:28):
and prayer certainly go out to coach dj Elliott at
NC State, his wife and their family with the loss
of their daughter Drew. Just tragic, just a tragic situation there,
that battle with cancer. So again, if you have an

(38:48):
opportunity to support in any way, you know, any type
of cancer funding that you can give, certainly goes a
long way to helping those individuals. And hopefully we can
see a day where you know, there's a way to
really defeat cancer so that other parents and families don't

(39:10):
have to go through what dj Elliott and NC State
are going through now with the loss of his daughter.
Never a good way to turn from a situation like that,
for sure, all Right. So I talked earlier about the

(39:31):
job opening or vacancy at Arkansas Sam Pittman fired, and
as it turns out, they're actually gonna owe him a
little bit more because of a little clause in his contract. Now,
Sam Pittman in his career, because he lost three of
the first five games this season, is actually under five hundred,

(39:53):
thirty two and thirty four all time at Arkansas. But
he had a season where he went nine and and
that got him a new contract back in twenty twenty
two I think it was, and then that contract got
extended after another decent season, they won seven games and
that got him extended through twenty twenty seven, I think

(40:14):
when he won seven games at twenty twenty two. But
the way this deal is structured, get this, he has
an annual salary of five million dollars, but he's been
over five hundred since he got the new contract, not overall,
but since he got the new deal, he's above five

(40:35):
hundred by just two games twenty nine to twenty seven.
So the decision will mean I can't wow, I can't
even talk right now, Swade English, do you speak it?
Because of the decision being made now, they owe him
nine point three million in buyout money if they waited

(40:59):
until he was under five hundred, which could have been
three games, could have been three weekends. They would have
only owed him five point seven million, So they were
essentially willing to eat three million, three point what six
million to go ahead and get Sam Pittman out of there.

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Is it worth that? I don't think so. I'm gonna
be honest, like, in this day and age of all
the financial particulars of college sports, I'm hard pressed to
believe that it makes sense to burn three million dollars
on a guy that if he loses a couple of
more games. Let me look at their schedule. I got

(41:46):
forty seconds. I could get this up. I know I can.
I'm confident in myself. All right, So they played Tennessee
in two weeks, so you're gonna have to You're gonna
have to have a heavy bye week A and M
and then Auburn. I listen, I think it'd been worth it.

(42:10):
Hold out and see what happens. The problem is, if
he wins a game or two, you might be stuck.
I don't know anyway. Wave Quaking Bus joins us on
the flip side. Keep it locked.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
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Speaker 2 (43:03):
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William qualking Bush on the guest line, qualk talk to me,
big guy. How you been my man?

Speaker 4 (43:38):
I'm doing great. Uh had a night well, I say,
I'm RESTful. Open date. Actually my wife busted me because
she said, you're you're like miserable. I was like, yeah,
I'm watching a Ryder Cup. But every one of these
other football teams was like they're having fun. And I
watched Cnson, so uh that's my That's how my open
they went is watching everybody else have fun except America

(43:58):
and Clemson and that you know, I thought, I think
it's gonna be like that. I thought it was gonna
be a little better, but I think I overestimated my
ability to relax. How are you?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I'm good man. So look, I'm excited that Clempson is
back on the grid iron, regardless of how it's been,
because I do think we saw so much good football
this weekend. Like it it just kind of gave me
a glimmer of hope, right, kind of like when you
buy a lottery ticket, there's there's the chance that you
might win. What do you think, I mean, could this

(44:30):
thing just snap back into place, qualk, or is there
just so much I guess kind of out of place
that it's gonna take a while before we see the
Clemson team that people prepare us for from a national perspective.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, that's a great question. I do think you know,
to your point about hope, one thing that I was
confronted with this weekend is the power of hope. Like,
my baseball team is Cincinnati Reds. We don't made the
playoffs in a full season in twelve years, and we're
going on the road of the Milwaukee Brewers, the team
that we haven't won a series against in three years.
We've lost thirteenth straight series, six straight there, but a

(45:06):
lot of times we don't have win any games against
the Brewers and we end up win in the first
two and we lost the closer there, but so did
the Mets. And so you know, I'm clinging to hope,
just a little bit of hope that things are gonna
turn out right, even if logically it doesn't seem like
you're in a good place. Hope drives you to the
TV or to the game. For sporting events, the United

(45:27):
States and the Ryder Cup, same thing on Sunday. There's
no reason world to think logically the United States is
gonna have a positive experience, or any of the fans
in the United States gotta have positive experience. And yet
it took until like the very end, was it like
formatches left before the Europeans actually clinched, and when it
was all sudden done to the United States was one
point away or one and a half points away from

(45:49):
the Ryder Cup. It would have been a historic comeback.
And it's hope that drives us. And so you know,
it doesn't have to logically work for you to sort
of act today that sense in you that you just
are gonna be hopeful. And I gotta be honest, I
saw nothing this weekend that makes me think logically that
Cleinson is gonna have a great season. Not a thing.

(46:12):
I watched a lot of offenses have fun moving the ball.
Watch a lot of run games that look like they're
moving it. I watched a lot of bad teams that
make offense look fun. I watched a lot of sidelines
have really good body language, a lot of good adjustments
from coaching staffs, et cetera, et cetera. Watch a lot
of players making plays, quarterbacks giving their receivers a chance,
receivers paying the quarterback off. Watch a lot of offensive

(46:34):
lines that were playing really well, and I feel like
we're not seeing any of that. So there's that. But
you know, on the other hand, I saw a lot
of parody Swanny. I saw a lot of parody. And
because I saw a lot of parody, I was also
able to I was able to sort of convince myself

(46:56):
that Clinton is just like a month away. They're just
a good month away for putting themselves right back into
these conversations. I mean, think about this, if you have
a good month of October, you're sitting at four and
three and you've got some tough games, but it will
likely maybe you played at least reasonably well, and so yeah,
I would. I would say there's a chance that comes
back around because of what I said this week that

(47:17):
I've rediscovered the power of hope as a sports fan,
and in fact, the necessity of hope. So there's forces
don't driving insane?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Well, I will say this. I mean, I think if
you talk rosters, this team ought to be not just
competitive against everybody, they should beat the majority of the
teams that they still have to play. The question is
can they turn that on? And what makes me really
concern that maybe they can't qualt is what we saw
dup due to Syracuse and the fact that wake For

(47:48):
should have beaten Georgia Tech. To me that just and
I tweeted this out. I don't remember my exact verbiage
on it, but that furthered my concern about the fact
that Clypson just hasn't played hard, like they haven't given effort.
And that's probably the biggest concern that I still have
is what is it gonna take for these guys, Like
I know the statement was made by I think it

(48:10):
was I think it was Peter Woods he said something
or Khalil Barnes, one of the two said Hey, look
if you weren't playing for all you had when you
know we had something to fight for, then what do
you Why wouldn't you fight now or whatever? And I'm
kind of like, why would you? Like I kind of
see the opposite way of the way he kind of

(48:31):
put it out there. I mean, what do you think
about that? Like, can this group harness the the you know,
the the intestinal fortitude that it takes to turn that
momentum given the fact that they've already got three losses.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Yeah, it's a good question because you know, let's have
a conversation with somebody that's not a sport he's not
a sports fan, but he is. He's a trainer, and
so he does a lot of like he deals a
lot with mental toughness and physical toughness in people. And
one thing that he pointed out is, you know, one
of the things that's happened is you know that the
as he says, the game has gotten a little softer.

(49:07):
Like he said, he used to watch football, but he
doesn't watch as much anymore because it makes it mad
because the game has gotten softer. And as the game
has gotten softer, is created more entitlement, It's created more
of a sense of like whining, and I guess it
all goes back to the entitlement point. But he said,
you know, a lot of the middle and physical toughness

(49:27):
is it's not there if you're sitting down watching a
football game. And you know, I did start to think
about it when when things are going poorly, Okay, when
things are going poorly in your life, the thing that
you default to is your most deeply ingrained habit. Like
when you're having a bad day, the thing that you
default to is your most deeply ingrained habit. That's how

(49:48):
addictions get started in a lot of ways. So that's
what exacerbates addiction, is that when you have a bad day,
when you have a bad experience, when you when you're
in need of something emotionally, you just the fault to
your most deeply ill belief or your most deeply held conviction,
or your most deeply held value, or your most deeply
held habit. And right now, in college football, you have

(50:11):
the transfer portal, you have nil, you have all these
other things. What are the deeply held values that are
like fostered over a period of years, that are just
that that you opt into Because like when you and
I understand that a lot of these players are three
and four years you know, they're three and four years old,
you know in the program. But like when everybody around

(50:31):
you is saying, you know, just get to the end
of the year and then make your choice. When you
do a one year thing, it's not a four year
process anymore. It's a one year process, and so you
don't have these deeply held beliefs and values that you
can sort of look back on. I think we're going
to be seeing more two and ten, three nine, four
and eighths out of nowhere because you have individual groups
of people that are thinking about where they're going next,

(50:54):
as opposed to trying to build deep roots where they are.
And I think that's the way it is right now.
I'm not saying that every single thing about his Ara
is terrible or whatever, but I did sort of get
in that conversation. I did sort of get that idea, like, oh, okay,
there's maybe some psychology to this that it's hard to
reverse negative trends if you're not thinking about digging deep

(51:16):
into these roots that you've constructed, but instead you're thinking
about where can I do this next year? And I
do think there are a lot of people at Clemson,
whether they end up pulling a trigger or not, that
are starting to think that way, and Dabu Sweeney's got
to help to keep those people engaged so that this
thing doesn't come completely unglued. And we stopped a bull
streak that's been in Texas nineteen ninety eight. I don't

(51:39):
count two dousand for Swannie because that was chicken bleak.
They clemsed it didn't go to a bowl. They were
all eligible. They should have gone to a bowl game.
Clemson has been bowl eligible every year since nineteen ninety eight.
And that's the streak that I think is in jeopardy
right now if they don't start.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Playing a little better again.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
He's on Twitter at qualk Talk each and every afternoon
noon until three o'clock. Out of bounds, Will Qualt can
be one of five to five the roar in the Upstate.
So Dabo Sweeney, I've said on this program, I think
he can stay at Clemson as long as he wants to.
I mean, I think, given what he's done, I don't
know that there's a deep enough hole he could dig, unless, like,

(52:17):
unless he did something that was so egregious against the
rules of college sports. That it was just a black
eye on the program. But they've got some odds out
there hot seat coaching kind of stuff, and they've got
Dabbo listed at twelve to one. Am I right though, qualk?
I mean, has he done so much for Clemson that
essentially he decides when he leaves?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Yeah, I mean, this is this is silly. I mean
right now, Look, I mean, if you have four, four
and eight or three and nins or whatever, you know,
then all bets are off, but one bad no, no, no, no,
and a bad year. It's not a bad year yet,
it's not a good and it's not gonna be a

(53:01):
good year. They went eight in a row and go
nine and three. It's not gonna be a good year.
He's wasted a month. You played like crap for an
entire month of the season. It's not a good year.
But didn't have to be a bad year, devils when
he's not getting fired for not a good year. Now,
I do think that in this era, and I think
I've said this to you and I've said this on

(53:22):
my show, I know that there's legitimate donor fatigue. I
felt it in the stadium at times with the reaction
that people had to certain things both during the game
and then in timehouse and things like that where it
just feels like there's donor fatigue where Clinton doesn't have
the donor base that Ohio State and Alabama and Georgia

(53:42):
and State's and Michigan, Texas the state schools have to
be able to just raise all the money that they
want and then if somebody can't do it, they just
go to the next person. A lot of these resources
are are i will say, tapped out, but a lot
of them are expecting some maternal investment here and then
I isn't it And so I do think there's less patience.
Now from that standpoint, I think it's understandable patients because

(54:05):
you not only have you have you have institutional money
that is down going and paid players, but you have
you have fans, donors, boosters, corporate sponsors, whatever, who are
also in the boat of paying these people. And so
they want to return on investment both at their own
you know, in their own cash register, but also in
terms of what they see and the value that they

(54:27):
get on the field. And when you're not getting it,
it leads to discontent, you know. Mike Gunny was like
oaklanda state threw and through and they fired him. Sam
Pittman Arkansas through and Through had a couple of good
years in there, they fired him. So I won't say never,
but definitely not right now. I mean, if somebody's putting
up twelve to one dabolished Winny Odds this year, right now,

(54:47):
they're just trying to take your money. That's all that is.
They're just trying to take your money and they will
gladly do that.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Again on Twitter at Qualt Talk. So before we turn
to a question about over time collegiately, the two former
assistant coaches that are active actively coaching right now are
combined eight and one this season with Brentvinnables at Oklahoma
and Tony Elliott at Virginia. I would say that's also

(55:14):
not helped out what's going on in Tiger Town. But
I'll ask you, what are your thoughts on those guys
in the job that they've done so far this season?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Well, now, I would agree with that, but we have
to be careful with this because when you say that,
the Clinton people, Clinton people are still not thinking about this.
In twenty twenty five, we can't talk about programs anymore.
Swanny we talk about teams. Tony Elliott and Brent Vintables
had had bad teams that put him on the hot
seat down Betweeny has not had bad teams, and so yes,

(55:47):
I agree with you. This year they've got quarterback right.
The addition of quarterback and offensive coordinator and the tier
and Arbuckle has been great for Brin Vintables. And he
has done the work to build the defense that we
knew he would eventually build at Oklahoma. That's not a shocker. Virginia.
Same way, they had two quarterbacks that were back and forth.
Calandria was the one and then the other guy was

(56:09):
the high floor guy. I can't remember his name, but
I mean it just never really worked. So now you
portal in a dynamic older quarterback and Shamlan Morris that's
won some quarterback jobs but just has been hurt all
his career. Now he's playing great. The defense still is
not very good, and so like, I don't think Virginia
is gonna have some kind of great great year. Materials
are pro Oklahoma. Let's see where this looks at the end.

(56:31):
I think both those are very good. Well, like I say,
this is trying to act like because Virginia has good
quarterback play and they're scoring whatever that they're just on
an upward trajectory. Or Oklahoma with Brenvnables is on an
upward trajectory. Oklahoma and Renvnables first three years was like
six wins, ten wins, six wins. So like if they
go ten wins here, it doesn't mean they're gonna keep

(56:52):
winning ten games. I think that paradigm of like good
program back program is gone. We can't think about it
like that. It's good tom and every season and the
strength of your program is just what your floor is,
which is kind of what we're about to find with
a clinchon right. Is this a program where the floor
is literally like eight and four, seven and five or
is the floor much lower than that? And so I

(57:13):
do think that like that's how that when we talk
about program, I think that's a better way to look
at it. But within that, you just have to hit
on so many things year over year that you have
a competitive team. And when you have a competitive team,
you have to take advantage of it. And so far
Brand and Tony have done just that at Opelhoma, Virginia.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
You know what, before I go to my final thing
I do want to say, and I agree with you
on this, like if you have a great quarterback, like
the fans that are going, why didn't we go get
somebody from the portal to be the quarterback? They start
naming all these guys that they would like to see.
I can't think of a school quall that had a
legit quarterback that went out and brought in another one. Like,
if you've got a guy that you believe is legit,

(57:52):
you don't go get somebody else and just pay them
to do nothing.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Another thing too, this is this is one of my
pet peeves. Well, first of all, these are two of
my pet peeves in one. I'll do this separately. Number
one is people are like, well, look at all these portals, Okay,
which Clemson starter in February, January, December, even May? Which
Clemson starter? Would you jeopardize losing by bringing somebody in

(58:17):
from the portal who is good enough to start? Not
a deaf guy. That's a different conversation. We're talking about
starter caliber. Would you lose Kate club Nick to bring
in uh, you know, I don't know, Taylor Morris, No,
not in January?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You wouldn't And I would argue where you wouldn't Yeah,
And I would argue Chandler Morris isn't coming if that's
the case, right, that's correct, Like is not gonna go. Yeah,
I'll come to Clemson and sit behind cave. You're not
getting that.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Guy, Listen, Clemson is. Clemson is where they are because
the very good players that everybody thought were very good
have not been very good. That's why Clemson is where
they are. Clemson is not where they are because they
had a bunch of holds and didn't fill them, or
they counted on freshmen on Clemson's roster. Yet. Could they've
used the safety, yes, could they've used a running back yes,

(59:04):
Could they maybe use an offensive line or two, yes,
But it's not like they had a million holes. And
the holes were the reason they weren't bringing in another
portal receiver outside of Trisian Smith. There's no way they
weren't bringing in a tight end. They weren't bringing in
a defensive tackle, right, they weren't bringing in a linebacker
our court. They just weren't gonna do that because those
weren't the issues. The issues are the players you have

(59:26):
aren't playing well. The guys that anybody in the nation
would have taken. So that's number one. That's my pet
peet number one. Pet beet number two is, well, this
quarterback's good in that system. So if we just bring
him in, we just get the copy and basis stats
in our system. And I gotta be honest when I'm
looking at Clemson, I'm looking at what I would consider
to be a year's long systemic problem. So I don't

(59:46):
think it's even cut and dry that Cade by himself
is the issue, and that if you just plug a
different player in there, even Shamler Morris, that they're gonna
be placed to be made. I think this is a
systemic issue with Clemson, Dophin that's gonna dramatically lower the
ceiling for whatever quarterback is in here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
So well, Qualk, I hope you have a little more
time because we're gonna be up against a break and
I do want to get to another thing. So I'm
just connecting the dots. I was decent at that back
in the day, you know, the old connect the dots
and color stuff. It sounds to me like you really
feel like the main issue right here is Garrett Riley
in this offense, or Garrett Riley specifically.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I think the system itself. See and I'm not saying
Gary Riley, Okay, I do think the component pieces aren't
working right, but I don't want to put it on
gar right, I think it's his responsibility. But like I
think the running back position stinks. I mean, even Adamanda
is playing eighty snaps against Syracuse, why is no other
running back capable of running the ball against Syracuse? Whild

(01:00:50):
wide receivers are teamly dropping passes and not very tough.
Why is the offensive line busting assignments? I mean, it's everybody.
It's everybody across the board. So I don't even think
it's a simplest thing it's Garrett Riley's offense. I think
it is a Clemson offense systemic problem. That it's five
years old, that we are just now all sort of
understanding that you can trade out every component part you

(01:01:12):
can think of, and when it still looks the same,
that you've got an issue with the machine itself. And
so I just think that's the logical read on the situation.
I don't think just firing Garret Ryland and bringing somebody
in and not doing a deep, deep, deep self examination
of what else needs to be fixed. I think you're
just asking for more of the same.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
There you go. That's Williamqualgybusch. We're gonna put him on whole.
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Out of bounds with qualking Ben one of five to
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they have an app. You can download the app for
the Roar and I was listening to Qualking the guys

(01:02:36):
as I was making my way to Atlanta to go
watch Clemson get beat by Georgia Tech this season. So
there you go, Qualk. Let me ask you about overtime
because last night in the NFL man we had forty forty,
the first time that's ever been the final score of
an NFL game overtime played out. But then I also
reflected on the weekend of college football where we had

(01:02:57):
so many great games that went to over time. You
could have gotten overtime in Georgia and Alabama f Kirby
Smart kicks a field goal. Who knows how that game
ends up playing out. But it really got me thinking
as I'm watching these overtime situations, whether it's Virginia and
Florida State, whomever, doesn't really matter, Penn State, Oregon, which
overtime do you like better? I think I like the

(01:03:19):
pro overtime better and I think I would even live
with ties in college football, as crazy as that sounds.
I don't like the way we do overtime in college football.

Speaker 6 (01:03:31):
I prefer the I prefer the college model for two reasons,
and the pro I will say, the pro model has
done a good job of listening to me and getting
closer to what I want over the past few years.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Okay, free that it is.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
It is a closer to Qualk approved version than before.
When you win the coin toss and you win the game. Okay,
I don't like when the coin toss win the game,
all right. Even the little has the thing where if
you win a coin calls, but you score a certain way,
you win the game. I still I don't. I don't
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
I think both teams should.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
It would be the only sport in the world where
both teams don't get a chance in overtime.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
It just does.

Speaker 6 (01:04:11):
It doesn't work, so to me, I still I think
that is a major drawback. But I see your point
on the NFL overtime because this this is my issue
with the college overtime. Okay, the college overtime, and I listen,
if if we're not going to prioritize finding a true
winner in the game, then I do feel like you
gotta go with ties, because it feels like the priority

(01:04:34):
in college overtime is not to get a winner of
the game. It's to get it over as quickly as possible.
You start on the twenty five, you're already in field
goal range.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
Then the second overtime they make you go for two.
It's like you're trying to you're trying to weed people out.
It's like the it's like the runner of second base
rule in uh major League Baseball. Like, I don't love
that because it just feels like you're just trying to
you're trying to get the You're not trying to get
a winner, trying to get the game over quicker.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
So I get that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
I don't like the third overtime go for two Shenanigans.
What I would do in college is I would move
it back to the forty or maybe even midfield. Just
give teams possession at midfield. So it's not a foegone
conclusion that you should be scoring or you know, high
probability that if you don't move the ball at all,
you're gonna try to kick her out. I just think
you shouldn't. I think you shouldn't do that. Now. I

(01:05:24):
again the NFL model, where like you're you're also trying
to milk the clock a little bit so that you
get like one series and then your opponent gets like
one series and then it's just over. I feel like
that's a little anti climactic too. There's not as much
strategy in that, you know, like I would want I
would like for the like I don't want to punt
in college overtime. I would like for there to be

(01:05:46):
some incentive to like go like go for it on
fourth down if you're not in field goal range and
that kind of stuff. So I would like to see
sort of a I would say, a melding of the two.
Because I'm with you. I think the I think the
the nf FELLO overtime has dramatically improved, even though it
does sometimes give you the Cowboys Packers forty forty tigh

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like we saw last night.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Well, what's crazy too, right with the college game, is
because you know that you have to go for two
in that second overtime, A lot of times that second
team that scores just says, oh, forget it, We'll just
go ahead and risk it for the biscuit right here
and go for two, kind of like Wake Forest did
against Georgia Tech. And you know, you see it and
you just go, all right, well, is this really, like

(01:06:29):
you said, is this the best way to do this?
Because I just feel like when you're you're just rushing
through these twenty five yard drives and and I don't know, man,
the going for two things turns me off. I prefer
to kind of be settled on the field of play
and not with whether or not a team could convert

(01:06:51):
a two point conversion on you know, yeah pick up
three yards here and just you know, after a couple
of scores, Like I think that's the big problem for me.
And that's why I like the NFL model because it
feels like most of those conclude in the field of
play with somebody trying to make something happen.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
You know, I do, let me say this, I do
think that trying to get the game over with is
a worthy goal. Like the worst thing is the nine
overtimes of like that epic Arkansas Ole miss game. Like
that's just not at that point, everybody's gas seems there's
gonna score it, will, you know, It's just just it
it gets to be a little funny, just more than
anything else because you just don't have enough bodies. But

(01:07:32):
I would say, like if there's a model that says, Okay,
first over time, we're gonna start the twenty five. Second
over time, we're gonna start the thirty thirty five, and
you just move it back or maybe like it starts
the first one starts at the thirty and then the
forty in the midfield or whatever, you move it back,
same rules. No like making you go for two or
any of that. You know, I kind of before that too,
kind I kind of like that. Just making it a

(01:07:54):
little more difficult. Okay, we're in the second over time,
we're gonna make it a little more difficult. Third over time,
we're gonna make it a little more difficult. But we're
gonna still play football. We're not gonna do all this
stuff now. On the wake forest thing, there are some
people who think that you should always do that if
you score a touchdown second in the first overtime, you
should go for two because your opponent doesn't have a
chance to do it and you then have to go

(01:08:16):
right back out there. It's hard to score twice in
a row, right, and if you don't get the two
point version, your opponent wins. Like it's the last bit
of leverage that you actually have to go and win
the game on that play. I think wake Forest did
it because Clayborne got hurt and they're a first half
team anyway, and they knew if this thing goes much longer,
we're gonna tank. So we're better off just trying to

(01:08:36):
throw a hail Mary right here and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, it is a strange one. I'm sure you're too
young to remember this. There was a show called Name
That Tune back in the day, qualk where Oh I.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Remember, I remember Name that Tune, Buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I feel like that's what it should be. I can
kick this field goal from forty nine yards out. Oh yeah,
we could kick it from fifty two. All right, kick
that field goal and make miss, and we just have
the battle decide how far back we're gonna go before
somebody you know takes the shot at it. Anyway, quawt man,
have a great week. Hopefully the Tigers will play well.

(01:09:11):
It's amazing that Daboswiney and Bill Belichick can face off
and that's not the storyline. Nonetheless, man enjoy the week, y'all.
Catch him on one O five to five of the
Roar in the Upstate every day from noon until three
o'clock and on Twitter at qualt Talk quat Man. It's
great catching up with you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
Bud, A great catching up with good week, Bud.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
There you go. That's William Qualkin Bush here on a
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(01:09:50):
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our website clemsonessportstall dot com. All right, so before the break,

(01:10:12):
I mentioned the Senate Congress, Washington, DC, I guess you'd say,
and we don't talk much about that here on the program.
That's the reason you tune in. You don't want to
hear about all that. But we do have some sports
figures in the history of our country that have certainly

(01:10:32):
made their way to Congress. Bill Bradley, you know, if
you're talking about like elite sports figures. I actually pulled
up a list just to see if their name struck
me as one or the other, meaning like, was there
somebody that was an athlete that ended up being a
pretty big politician that I know. One of the issues

(01:10:57):
that I had with the list that I found was
that it was even I think people that did not win,
like Derek Dooley, who was the head coach at Tennessee,
played at Virginia's father, of course, was the head coach
for the Georgia Bulldogs for so many years. He was

(01:11:18):
apparently a candidate or is a candidate for US Senate.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I guess Derek Dooley just getting into the mix. But
Gerald Ford played at Michigan and at Yale before becoming president.
And then obviously we've got some other ones that stand
out because of college football, Tommy Tupperville who coached at Auburn,

(01:11:45):
and also I think Texas Tech and some other schools.
Certainly in that conversation, but here's one that I didn't
think we'd be talking about. Paul Feinbaum, the SEC Network,
said Monday he would consider leaving ESPN to run for
the US Senate seat representing Alabama. Fine Baum, the seven

(01:12:10):
year old, said during a recent interview without Kick that
he'd run as a Republican to fill the seat vacated
by former Auburn football coach Tommy Tuberville, who said he'll
run for Alabama governor in the twenty twenty six elections.
Tuberville's current Senate term ins in twenty twenty seven. Now
I bring this up obviously because of the ironic connection

(01:12:34):
between Tubberville, Auburn, Paul Feinbaum, the state of Alabama, and
the fact that fine Baum could potentially fill Tubberville's Senate seat.
Circle that down as something you didn't have on your
BINGO card. I I wonder how hard it would be

(01:12:54):
for Paul feipom to get votes in the state of Alabama.
I wonder how many people say, no, no, nah, I
completely disagree with this guy based off of his sports,
forget his politics, just based off of his sports. Anyway,
saw that news and did want to bring that to
you again. The next time we get Dabo Sweeney, by

(01:13:19):
the way, will be tomorrow for his typical weekly press conference.
Tonight he'll be on Tiger Calls, so we will get
a chance to hear a little bit from Davosweeney as
we close in on kick off of what would have
certainly been an interesting matchup between Davosweeney and Bill Belichick.

(01:13:44):
And it will that will get the that will get
the flavor, you know what I mean? People, when people
they're covering the game, whoever is on the call for
ESPN will most certainly talk about it. I mean, you can't.
You can't have Dabosweeney and Bill Belichick on the field

(01:14:06):
and not mention it. But this game certainly lost some
of its luster with the way CLEMPS is played now. Granted,
I don't think anybody had very high expectations for North
Carolina in your one anyway, And if I'm being candid,

(01:14:28):
I don't have high expectations for Bill Belichick at North
Carolina outside of the storyline that he brings to the table,
and part of it is his age. The other part
is of the moving parts that you have to have
in this sports world. And quite frankly, it really wouldn't

(01:14:54):
surprise me if after a couple of years he decides
to move on and let his son take over that
program and sort of have a passing of the torch
similar to what we just saw down at Auburn where

(01:15:18):
Bruce Pearl stepped decide so that his son could take
over and be the new head coach. And what you
do in that situation, or in a scenario like that,
if you're Bill Belichick, is that you allow your son.

(01:15:39):
And he's actually got two sons on the team coaching.
I did not realize this. Steve, though, is the defensive coordinator.
His son, Brian is the defensive backs coach. So there's
your progression, right. Nothing like a little bit of nepotism
to get you going in the morning. Bill Belichick, in

(01:15:59):
my opinion, in a year or so, we'll step away,
possibly during the season, and with that they will make
sure that Steve is elevated to the head coach. Brian,
my guess would be, would eventually be elevated to defensive coordinator,
and then that allows Steve to prove that he has

(01:16:21):
the maxi to be a head coach at the collegiate level.
Thus bypassing the traditional ladder that you would have to
climb to get that type of opportunity, right, I mean
he's got pedigree. I mean, Steve was on the staff
of five Super Bowl teams with the New England Patriots
under his father. He doesn't look like the head coaching type.

(01:16:46):
But maybe maybe you could knock some of the rust
off at some point along the way and clean yourself
up a little bit. Based off of his photo on
North Carolina's website goheels dot com. You know, maybe take
a shower, cut your hair and shave every once in
a while, and you be you walk ahead foot fucker

(01:17:07):
either way, That's my guess. This is not gonna work
out for Bill Belichick, and I don't think he's got
the longevity in him. Quite frankly, I don't think he
really cares to do it. He got his money, got
some notoriety, and I think this is a short term situation.

(01:17:28):
Final segment, flip side, stay with us.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answers to the questions
what have you done for me lately? And what have
you done? Always are the same. We win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Final segment on a Monday, Thank you to William Qualkinbush
for joining us, Thank you all our sponsors for being
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(01:19:49):
the Ryder Cup, as William Qualginbush mentioned, was a pretty
heated affair at Bethpage Black golf Course. I mean the
US fans were hot and bothered, let's just say, and

(01:20:12):
they were chanting and had Rory cussing, and you know
they were they somebody threw a beer hit Rory's wife
and that the hat just kind of deflected off of
her hat. Though let's not let's not make it into
you know, it hit a right square and the melon,
But somebody did throw that beer, or at least it

(01:20:33):
got thrown incidentally or purposefully and did hit her, and
it could have hurt her for sure, Like, let's not
make it like that wasn't something that could have happened
with a flying beer. But the fandom in the US

(01:20:54):
certainly added hype and drama to it all, and maybe
not the good way. Tom Watson, two time US Ryder
Cup captain, apologized to the US team for the behavior
of the American fans, saying I'd like to congratulate Ryder
Cup Europe on their victory. Your team played the first

(01:21:15):
few days. Your team played the first few days was sensational.
More importantly, I'd like to apologize for the rude and
mean spirited behavior from our American crowd that Beth Page
is a former player captain, and I, as an American,
I am ashamed of what happened. So Rory said on
Sunday after Europe finished off at fifteen thirteen win against

(01:21:37):
the US that he thinks golf should be held to
a higher standard than there was this week. It was
very similar to some of the golf that you saw
in the movie Happy Gilmore. I'll say that he said
there was a lot of language that was unacceptable and
abusive behavior. Lowry, excuse me. McElroy went on to say
that he didn't think we should ever accept that golf.

(01:22:00):
What will be interesting is the next time the Ryder
Cups in Europe, what kind of payback do those European
crowds have or do they hold themselves up to the standard.
I mean I like the little rivalry, Don't get me wrong,
I like the rivalry, but some of the behavior was
over the top. A video on social media showed a

(01:22:23):
situation where Shane Lowry was having to be held back
by his caddy as a fan said something before McElroy
hit a drive. In another video, it should McRoy walking
with his wife where that beer hit her on the
top of her hat that she was wearing. Justin Thomas,
US team member, after witnessing the verbal abuse, de rted

(01:22:47):
toward McElroy and Shane Lowry said quote, we felt for them.
It was unfortunate. Cam Young and I just wished that
we gave them something to cheer for instead of people
to cheer against. I think that was kind of the
main consensus in the last two day. We weren't giving
them enough to cheer for, and we were just and
they were just trying to help us win. I guess
that's the New York fans for you. Now here's what

(01:23:11):
I will say. And I didn't get to watch any
of it. I don't really care too much about golf
outside of the Masters tournament quite frankly, but if these
US players weren't like telling the crowd to turn it down,
I think it still falls on them, on the players,

(01:23:32):
because one thing the players still have is the voice
to stand on the you know, to stand on the
t box look at a quiet US crowd and say, hey, guys,
let's have some decorum here. You know, let's not make
this thing tacky. And granted, if the Ryder Cup wants

(01:23:54):
to have that be a part of it, people are
talking about it. And if you want to just say, hey,
I'll bets are off. When you're at the Ryder Cup.
You can yell and do whatever in people's back swings
or whatnot, that's fine. Too. I'll let the Ryder Cup
determine how they want their tournament to be played and
what the spectacle produced they want it to be. But

(01:24:17):
you know, I think I'm kind of with Rory. I mean,
I like my golf a little more like I don't
even I can't even hardly figure out these people rolling
around with the Bluetooth speaker in the golf cart for
crying out loud. That blows my mind a little bit.
Don't get me wrong, I like a little notorious big
I'm just not sure I want it on the eighteenth green.
All right, we gotta get out of here. We'll be

(01:24:39):
back tomorrow at four o'clock. Until then, it's always you'll
take care now and go Tigers