The "Packman Returns" Edition

Mark Packer, who was honored in Tiger Town over the weekend, joins the show. Plu,s William Qualkinbush joins us to recap Clemson's win over FSU.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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six seven one zero eight. So the Clemson Tigers get
a victory twenty four to ten this weekend over the
Florida State Seminoles. Clemson coming out opening drive touchdown, they
score and get a two point conversion from Clay Sweeney
to make it eight nothing. And Dabo Sweeney said in
this post game that they had talked about that all

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week that they were gonna score and they were gonna
go by two scores. They had seen something on tape
and Clemson capitalized on it. Then later in the second quarter,
with twelve oh one remaining, k clubmt with a flea
flicker touchdown past Antonio Williams where Kate had to kind
of roll the pocket. We would find out Cad had
been dealing with a quad injury all week to make
Clemson or to give Clemson a fifteen to nothing leading,

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Then a forty yard Nolan Hoo's your field goal would
give the Tigers an eighteen nothing advantage. The Seminoles would
finally score touchdown just before the half of thirty three
seconds left in the first half to make it eighteen
to seventeen. Clemson would get to Nolan Hoo's your field
goals to expand to twenty four to seven with fourteen

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eighteen remaining in the game, and Florida State will get
a field goal of their own with seventeen excuse me,
with seven minutes at thirty seven seconds left for the
final marchin of twenty four to ten. Again we'll be
joined coming up here momentarily though by Mark Packer, so
We're gonna talk with Mark and then we'll get further
into the game. But good victory for Clemson. A lot
of chaos around the country and college football, including the

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Virginia Cavaliers getting beat this weekend. Chandler Morse got injured
in that ballgame. We'll talk with Chad Morrise on Wednesday
to find out the latest news. You obviously had Louisville
get beat by cal in overtime on the road. You know,
that sets back the Louisville Cardinals for sure, and maybe
gives Clemson a little glimmer of hope that maybe they

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can carry over some of what they saw this past
weekend into this coming week this coming Fridays about say
weekend this Friday, just a few days away from Clemson
and Syracuse. Cad Clubney was twenty of twenty seven for
two hundred and twenty one yards and a touchdown no
interceptions for cad Adam Randall led the team in rushing
with forty eight yards on fifteen carries, and Gideon Davison

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had ten carries for thirty nine yards. Antonio Williams led
the Tigers with six receptions for sixty two yards and
a touchdown and then Tristan Smith with four receptions for
thirty six yards.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
T J.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Moore had three receptions for thirty seven yards. So that's
the way things went down in Death Valley this weekend.
Clemson holds a high flying, high scoring Florida State offense
to just ten points that ballgame, and that certainly had
Dabosweeney excited about it. But without further ado, out to
the guest line, we go here on a Monday afternoon,

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Mark Packer joins the program The pac Man on the
guest line. He was honored this weekend up in Tigertown
for that Clemson Florida State game. Got a chance to
dot the I in the word Tigers. Mark, welcome in man.
It was really awesome to see you, especially on television
celebrating Clemson.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, it was number one. I was beyond honored. When
they asked me back in June or July, I guess
it was. And I thought they hadn't screwed up. I said,
you want me to do what? No, and pack we
want you to dot the I And I said, well,
I don't really go was the dignitaries. I'm not sure
I've really kind of fun of that category.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I said, but I.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Would be honored to be there, so, you know, having
two daughters that have graduated there and going of course,
I know, being a graduate from eighty five and spending
so much time on any Clemson but also in the
ACC It was just a great night to be there.
And you know, now I've retired, I can go to
games now and be a fan. You know, I've been
doing that stuff for thirty years. Where you're working, and

(05:07):
even on the Southern Fride Football Tour, on which I
did for like thirteen years, we would go to you know,
great games each and every week you're still working, you know,
I mean it's kind of a it's wild, it's fun,
it's all that great stuff, but you know you're still working.
But now I can just go with family and friends
and tailgate and all that stuff. And being back on

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that campus. I love to play so much, and you know,
to be honored, and it wasn't so much me being honored.
It's just an honor to be a part of a
tradition that I'm one of the reasons I love crumbson
you know, the clumpson football games for a thousand reasons,
and the dotting of the eye and the spelling of tigers.
I knew what the band was going to do. They
swore me to secrecy to tell me, you know, don't

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tell anybody what the band's gonna do, and they're gonna
light up the tiger things. So the whole night was great,
the whole day was great, and our family thoroughly enjoyed it.
So it was a thrill of a lifetime. And again
I really appreciate Don Scott and all the of the
Clemson marketing people and all the folks that reached out
months ago. And again it was just a joy to
be there, really was.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, it really was cool to see the band members
with those led lights on their shoulders, the way it
lit up the word tigers. And then, you know, thinking
about you your professionalism for all these years, whether it
was your show on w fn Z or your show
on the ACC networker on Serious XM. People knew you
were a Clemson graduate, but you did as good a

(06:26):
job as anybody, maybe better than anybody, in keeping that
fandom down and really talking, you know, realistically about the team.
That's one of the things I've tried to do here
in the midlands of South Carolina with Clemson Sports talk right,
like you gotta be just the guy at the bar
that's friends with everybody talking about their teams. How fun
was it for you to maybe kind of rip that

(06:47):
mask off for a minute and just celebrate the way
you did. I thought it was so cool watching you
lead the clu Son chant at the end of Tiger Rag.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, like I said, you know, doing it professionally, get
in the mindset at least I did at a really
early stage of my career that Hey, you know, I
always thought about the person watching or listening to a show,
and regardless of what team or school or conference they
root for, you know, they want a fair shot. They

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want somebody to kind of just set it straight. And
doesn't mean that you're right all the time, but I
think if you're fair in judgment, regardless of what your
background is, you want the person at home, he or
she to feel that, hey, you know what, this guy's
at least gonna tell me something that's not hot air.
It's not the ESPN. Let's create a narrative nonsense that

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we have now. So that's always been in my DNA.
So you know, once we're off the air, whether it
be on radio or television, you know I'm a Clemson guy.
I mean, I want the Tigers to win every single game.
But on the air, you gotta be right. I mean,
if I was still doing stuff this year on the air,
you'd have to come clean with Clemson football. I mean,

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to be four and five. Nobody in their right mind,
the most brilliant, smart people in our business, would have
ever guessed that Clemson would be fighting for a bull
bit heading in here to the last couple of weeks.
And you know, it's one of the funny things that
every year when the AP pole comes out. It's always
been my one of my favorite days of the year

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when the AP pole comes out with the preseason, because
I've been it's so goofy twenty three I think twenty
two of the last twenty three years now, somebody in
the AP preseason Top ten ends up the season unranked.
In the middle of August, everybody's feeling good about their teams,
regardless of who it is, and you look down that

(08:39):
AP preseason top ten, and you know I would always
do this. I say, hey, I'm going to read off
the top ten teams and I'm promising you one of
these teams at the end of the year, you're going
to go what happened? And you never can you go
down that list. You're like, it's impossible for these teams
that bad years. It happens every year. So again twenty
two to the last twenty three, and you know you

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got Penn State at number two, Clemson four, LSU at nine. Hey,
in all likelihood, all three of those guys are going
to be the outside looking in as far as the
top twenty five goes. So again, it happens. Nobody is
immune to having a tough year. So if I was
on the air now, as much as I love Clempson,
you'd have to say, hey, listen Dabo's Sweeney on truth, Sir,

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I would tell you this is not what anybody expected.
And even when you watch them, it just doesn't seem
right right. I mean, just you know, sometimes the ball
bounce is wrong way the nil. Some kids take the
money they don't have to hunger, and there could be
a thousand reasons you come up with it. But it's
been a fascinating year in college football. And again, I
can't think of another time in my professional career that

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we've gotten this late end of the year. And if
I said to you Hey, who's the best team in
the SEC? You may get four answers. If I said
to you, hey, who's the best team in the ACC,
you might get six answers. Based on what we've seen
here the last couple of weeks. Right in all seasons,
even in a Big ten, I mean, Ohio State's number
one team in the country, I'm not sure they're the

(10:04):
best team in their own league, especially after what Indiana
pulled off on Saturday. So again, college football is crazy,
it's wild, it's unpredictable. But again, now I'm a fan,
and then, like I said, it was so much fun
just to put your feet up, have some bourbon, talk,
some trash, you know, laugh, cut up, you know. It
was just such a cool experience being a fan, like

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I said, being down on the field, the energy level,
it's really a tribute to both Clumpson and Florida State.
Both of them are having years they don't want to have.
But yet that place was filled up right to rock
and roll Saturday night. It was just a cool time
to be there.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Mark Packer hanging out with us here today and again
just into his retirement, and some people certainly wondering, what
have you been up to how are you occupying your time?
I mean, do you golf? I know, I see you
travel based on social media, but what else do you do?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well? You know, it's I've my life's been kind of
upside down a little bit from a personal standpoint. You know.
Obviously I lost my mom and my dad are going
through all kinds of stuff. I'm in the state process,
which is still ongoing. It's complicated, it's goofy, a lot
of attorneys, a lot of accountants, a lot of headaches,
quite frankly, and nothing's been really comfortable from that standpoint.

(11:17):
My wife's side's going through some personal issues as well
which have been difficult. So that's kind of taken up
a lot of my time. For the most part. There
are a lot of things that we want to do.
As I mentioned mine retired, I want to travel. My
wife and I are getting ready to leave the country
to a major international trip in January, which will be fun.
I'm in the process of just starting to write a book,

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which is something I want to do. Wow, I got
a kind of stories to tell. I mean, I've just
been doing reach. I've kept notes on all thirty years
of radio and television shows on a daily basis, and
they've been in files. I've been going through all that
kind of stuff. There's no timetable to get to finish line.
As a labor a love, I want to teach. I
want to do a bunch of speaking engage. It's a

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matter of fact. I've gotten an event coming up next
week with both Jackson that I'm looking forward to, which
would be the Q and a Black Tigh Fair. And
I've had a couple speaking engagements in the lawnst couple
of weeks down in Clemson and Anderson. I've talked to
Clemson about doing some cool things which were in the
losses of working on. So again, there's a lot of
stuff going on. I have no agenda, which is great.

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I wake up every day going okay, what isn't when
I'm in the mood to do. I gave up golf
when my girls were born, so I've not hit a
bad shot in twenty eight years. So again, I I
just turned sixty three and I kind of feel like, hey,
I got a whole new world in front of me.
So again, where this thing goes, I have no roofy idea.
But like I said, what I did Saturday night in

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Clemson is something I've not really been able to do
for thirty some odd years, and that is just go
to a ball game, put your feet up, chill out,
eat some ribs, eat some barbecue, drink some bourbon, tell
some stories, laughs, high five too, and pictures. And again,
that's what life's all about.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Mark Packer, hanging out with it here today. And your
dear friend Tim Bray, who joins us every Thursday to
talk about the ins and the outs of Clemson sports
and certainly college sports in general, was also officially inducted
into the Clemson Athletic Hall of Fame. It had to
be really neat for you to also be there during
that time for him being honored. What has he meant

(13:19):
to you over the years, And talk to the listeners
a little bit about your unique relationship with Tim.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, Tim and I used to be roommates. And in fact,
I spoke at the Ford Hill Clemson Club on Thursday
of last week and Larry Penley and Tim Bray were there.
And those are two of my dearest friends, and they
represent what the institution's all about. Just quality people that
you'd go to bat form under any circumstance. But Tim

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was an old roommate when I was running the Clemson
broadcast group back in the mid to late eighties and
were running the radio and the television networked at Danny
Ford television shows and the Clemson football basketball on Baseball networks.
I roomed with Tim. I was living with Tim at
his home. So we've known each other forever and ever ever,
and he is just a salt of the earth's great

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person period. And I know he's got no dame ties,
and I've got no problem that either, but man, he's
just a great person. He do anything for you, and
not only that from a professional standpoint, nobody, in my
opinion has done a better job for an institution than
what Tim Barey has done for Clemson. And to see

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him recognized in the Hall of Fame and get that
recognition Saturday Night and Death Valley, it is well well
deserved and probably way overdue. And if there's ever anything
that you ever wanted to know about Clemson sports, he
literally is a phone call away or a conversation away,
and it will not take long for him to come

(14:54):
up with the answer, assuming that he doesn't know it
off the top of his head. But he is a
just a class a great representation in what Clemson University
is all about, and like I said, could not be
happier for all the accolades that come in his way.
He's just a great dude.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Oh He's unbelievable. And for Clemson to have had somebody
like Bob Bradley and then Tim Murray back to back
doing that job and the way they've done it, and
then Tim too, it always cracks me up because I
feel like Tim retired what like a decade ago, but
he's still going at it every day, he and Kay
and they're just living their best life. And he's certainly

(15:30):
still getting to enjoy Clempson's sports and he keeps up
with Notre Dame, like you said, as much as he can. Again,
that's mart Packer hanging out with us here on the program.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
All right, let's talk about college football, because you're obviously
are keeping up with it, and let's focus a little
bit on Clemson and dabos Sweeney and this dip that
they've had this year. You know, I think one of
the valuable things that could come out of this is
whether coaches like Dabosweeney want to believe it or not.
I do think success can bring a level of I
don't know this necessarily arrogance, but you think that your

(16:01):
way is always going to work, and sometimes you need
a reset, and that's probably true in business as well
in life in general. What do you think this season
can do for Dabo Sweeney in terms of maybe taking
him forward again in his development as a coach, because
he's he's still young in the business so to speak.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, and it's funny. You're a thousand percent right, And
it's not just a sports thing, it's a life thing.
And you know, you go back, if you read enough
of people have had unbelievable success, one of the things
they almost always talk about is not what made them great.
It's where they failed and learned and then adapted. And
that is true. Whether I don't care you you picked

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the line of work and show me the best in
the world at what they do. I guarantee you can
go back and find hiccups where all of a sudden,
hey there was a dip, there was a there was
a failure. But man, it's how you respond. And it's funny.
I mentioned having that speech the other day. It Clemson
last week, and my message to the Clemson family was,

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this is an incredible opportunity. I said, you know, I
used to work with a guy then every time I
came to him, I said, listen, I got a problem.
He and say, pack, you never have a problem. What
you have is an opportunity. And that was so true again,
and this is true in life. Regardless of what you're facing,
it's not a problem, it's an opportunity, and it's the

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opportunity is for you to solve it and get better.
And that's exactly where Dabbo and Clemson football fund themselves.
Despite all the incredible success, which you can't take away,
and it's one of the things that makes you who
you are. Dabo's got a front row seat to go
back now and say, Okay, this one didn't work, so

(17:45):
how do I fix it? And so you know, if
you stay status quo and the results are the same,
then that would be a problem because now you do
have a problem that you didn't figure out how to
solve the opportunity. So Clemson's got that chance to figure
that out. Dabo has a two. And I went back
and just out of curiosity and looked at some of
the greatest coaches in the history of college football, and

(18:07):
guys like Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno, Barry Switzer, Urban Meyer,
Nick Saban, and start looking at how long did they
go in between winning national championships, and you will find
there is a kind of a consistent six to eight
year gap sometimes between the greatest coaches of all time.

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And like Barry Switzer won it in seventy five, he
didn't win the next one until nineteen eighty five. That
was a ten year strip. So you know, listen, Clinton
in twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, incredible football teams to the
best teams of all time. But you know what, the
game's changed. I mean, the world has changed in the
last five years, so you got to change with it.
So again, I think Davo is really smart. I think

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he has a great hand on what he's doing. And
you know, he'd probably be the first one to tell
you another truth serum that he never expected this team
to be four and five, right, there's no way now
what they were running coming back and everything else. So
he's gonna have to fix it. He knows he's about
to make some changes. And as I mentioned on that
speech last week, the word opportunity, we as Clemson fans

(19:11):
now are going to have that same opportunity. I mean,
there's it's easy to jump off the bandwag and say,
oh this sucks, I'm not gonna watch it. I'm not
supposing you're allowed to do that as a consumer, but
you will find out who the real Clemson fans are
that stand behind this and say, guess what, we're not.
We're not happy about being four and five. We may
end up four and eight for anybody knows. But moving forward,

(19:34):
we got an opportunity to figure out how to get
back into the conversation where not only are you a
major factor in the ACC, but you're a factor from
a national perspective. And again, you've got great resources, great people.
Now you got to pitch the right buttons and get
a great game plan. So it's gonna be fun to
see how to approaches that in the off season heading

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into twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's Mark Packer, will put him on hold, will come
back with more on a Monday afternoon, Rocket and On
along with you on a Monday, Mark Packer hanging out
with us here on the show today and Mark, we
were talking about this era of college football. The other
thing that's unique for Clemson, at least is that you've
got a guy like Tony Elliott, the job that he's
doing at Virginia. I know, the loss this weekend is

(20:16):
certainly Chandler Morris's injury is a big deal for them.
We'll see how that shakes out over the next few days.
But then also Brent Mivinnables, he was there in Death
Valley this weekend. I didn't even get to ask you
if you saw him or talk to him, but nonetheless,
what he's doing in Oklahoma. For the first time in
my life, you know, I'm forty eight. You could kind
of look around and see some other guys who you

(20:37):
know pretty well that are coaching elsewhere, and it's it's
kind of given me a little bit of a spider
web into the college football world that quite frankly, in
the down you're for Clemson, I'm able to enjoy. I
don't know about you.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, yeah, I look at that. My whole life has
been taking a big picture of look at the league
and the country. And you know the cool thing if
you do this thing long enough, you end up meeting
so many different people. Well, and I'd always be asked,
you know, when I was working full time doing the
television radio stuff. You know, who do you root for?
And I'm like, that's an easy one. I said. I

(21:08):
root for people that I find to be really good
folks and they are interesting. I really don't worry about
the colors that they wear and all that stuff. And
you know, I always went clumpson win because I got
so much DNA there. But you kind of root for
good people and then you can, I'm going to be
the first one to tell you also run into some jerks,
and quite frankly, and when those respective jerks lose, you

(21:31):
don't do necessarily the right. We're on the air, but
there's a part of me inside it's like, you know what,
I'm thoroughly enjoying watching these highlights right now, even though
I try and make sure that that didn't come across
on the air. But that's life. I mean, you know,
if you do this stuff long enough, you will run
in the really good people that you root for, and
you'll run into some people that you just kind of go, boy,

(21:51):
they need to park the ego or the attitude. You know,
I don't know what happened there, but that's what makes
the world go around. So I'm through ed for Tony
Elliott this is a really important year for him. And again,
despite the loss to Wake Forest at home, they've won
amazingly close games all season long. And like I said
to you earlier in this interview, I mean I couldn't
tell you who the best team is in the a CC.

(22:13):
I think talent wise, it's probably Miami, but Mirio Christoball
always seems to fugure out a way to lose two
or three games and got no business losion. But you
know they're not out of it either, despite having two
losses in the league, so Tony still got a good spot.
I mean, despite the loss, they've got important games to play.
They can figure out a way to get to Charlotte
and to play for an ACC title. And again we'll

(22:33):
see if the ACC can get into the College Football
Playoff with the new rules and regulations too, because there
could be one of these things that everybody just kind
of eats the young in the league and you may
have a group of five team be a higher rank
conference champion, and who knows what happens. I mean, I
got no idea other than I'm gonna put my feet
up and watch these next four or five weeks and

(22:53):
see where this thing goes. But it's been a fascinating
year in college football and one that nobody could have predicted.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I love You're so honest and you're so accurate with
your description of some of the coaches, because I've often
felt at times with different coaches, like George Bailey, when
you're shaking hands with mister Potter, you know, and I'm like,
something doesn't feel right here. But nonetheless, the final thing
talking about the spectrum of where college football is, I

(23:23):
actually did a segment and it sounds like you might
feel similarly to me on this. I did a segment
the other day when the college football playoff rankings came out,
and I know this is the second year of twelve teams, mark,
but I just don't feel like it has the same
zest that it did when it was a four team
because now there are teams in there like Ohio State,

(23:43):
like Indiana, you know, maybe some others A and M
that are almost already secured in their spot. And there
was something about that four teams and battling down to
the finish that I think was more exciting, even though
there are more games involved. I mean, do you feel
that way like I don't need though. I could name
all twelve teams that are in, but when it was four,
I could tell you who they were every single week,

(24:05):
and I knew who was right on the outside of
being in.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, I would agree with that. In fact, I thought
Manny Diaz from Duke last week had a great quote
when somebody had asked him about the college football playoff rankings,
and he's like, how irrelevant is that question because we
still have five to six weeks of football to be played.
So really, quite frankly, who cares were? I mean, I
know you got to do it, and it's for television

(24:29):
and ESPN's got to fill up time and create a
narrative and an intrigue and they're in there. Hey, I
get all that. I've been in that business. I've had
a front row seat and see how the sausage has made.
But quite frankly, there are so many important games left
to be played. All of that stuff will work itself out.
But as far as the big picture, it's kind of

(24:50):
like when the NCAA basketball tournament, you know, exploded to
sixty four, then eventually the sixty eight teams. Quite frankly,
there's more interest about who's you own twenty five sixty six,
sixty seven, sixty eight sixty nine as opposed to who
is five six, seven eighty nine. We know those teams
are in this year again this year, given the dominance

(25:14):
of the Big ten up top, their top teams seem
to be really, really good, and I think they are
in the SEC. I think they've got quality depths, maybe
more so this year than have the past. The ACC
is a complete puzzle. I got no idea. Texas Tech
looks like the real deal after they dismantled BYU over
the weekend, but they still have business to attend to.
So again, every time I hear people go it allows

(25:36):
the weekend, the games coming out with wrong answer, There's
nothing but answers to the puzzle for the next four
or five weeks. So again, a month from now will
get a clearer side of where this thing is going
to go. But in the meantime, I just think as
a college football fan, you just gotta enjoy each and
every weekend because the season flies by, as it always does.

(25:57):
I can even say that now as a retiree, if
you will, it still flies by. I mean, I mean
it is a click three months and every time you
think he got it solved, I got news for you.
Here comes to curveball, and that's why we love this
stuff so much. You just never know how it's gonna
play out.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Follow him on Twitter at Mark Packer Market is always
great to catch up with. Thank you so much, and
let's do it again before the season's up.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know where to find me. I'm easy to find,
easy to find and look forward to it.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Appreciate it Mark. Yeah, man, we gotta get up with
him more often. Right, that's spectacular stuff. Being able to
talk with Mark Packer, just a wealth of knowledge obviously
still keeping up with it. And to see him down
there on the field, as I said a little bit ago,
talking with him, to see him down on the field
in Death Valley, celebrating and going through the c l

(26:48):
E like doing the whole shebang. And I hope, because
I'm not lying when I said to him that I
think he did as good as anybody in towing the
line and call on it like.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
He sees it.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
And I really hope that you guys get that vibe
from me as well. I picked Clemson to lose to
Duke last week, and they lost. I picked Clemson to
beat Florida State this week, and I said it was
a slim chance. I think I said, what two percent,
But it happened that two percent hit and quite frankly,

(27:23):
you know, Florida State looked pretty bad to me. But
we'll hear what Dabosweeney had to say about the Seminoles
when we get back. Plus William Qualkinbush joints the program
in hour number two, Keep it a lot right here
on Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred. Clemson Sports saw the
show The SHAKESPA south Land on a Monday again. The
Clemson Tigers getting the job done this weekend against the

(27:43):
Florida State Seminoles twenty four to ten. But as I tweeted,
and I don't know if you follow us on Twitter,
that tends to be where I do most of my
in game stuff. We also have our website where we
have a thread going on. We also do put some
stuff on face. But honestly, if Florida State was not

(28:08):
completely inept, and I will say that with all honesty,
I thought they were awful. They had so many drops
in that game. Now Dabo Sweeney talks them up. I
mean Dabo Sweeney after the game made Florida State feel
like you'd just beaten the Green Bay Packers. I disagreed

(28:29):
with that assessment. I was not impressed with the Seminoles
at all, which mitigates my impression of Clemson right as well.
But either way, you know, the Tigers come away with
a victory, and I just I hate that this team

(28:53):
is where they are and they're playing the way they are,
because I do think that they've got a lot of talent.
I just don't see the effort. You know, the defensive
linemen don't get off blocks, they don't disrupt, not the
big names, not the guys that are projected to be
in the NFL draft. And that to me is that's
a frustration. That should be a frustration for you. It's

(29:16):
certainly a frustration for me. Nonetheless, Dabo Sweeney per Standard
met with the media after the game, and he talked
about the environment first and foremost in the fans and
Mark Packer mentioned earlier about the little lights show that
they had with the Tigers. They had some lights around
the pall at one point they were playing we Will

(29:37):
Rock You. I mean, the stadium was just electric, really
for the first time maybe all season. I know, in
that Duke game, there were moments, but there was a
lot of electricity, according to everybody that was there. Here's
Dabo Sweeney talking about that environment and the fans.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well, just first of all, I want to think our fans.
I thought that was just an amazing environment.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I mean, it's just it just doesn't get much better
than a night game in the valley.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
It was.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
It was awesome, especially when we do our part as
a team to help them just a just a special night.
It was a great moment for our team. I saw
a little bit of swagger from those guys, which was
great to see.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Love the effort, love the toughness.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I love their belief, stick to itness, you know, just
their resilience.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean, it's just fun to see. And for those seniors.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
I tried to find all of them as mean as
I could right there before we got off the sideline.
Just you know, I'm just so thankful that, you know,
you know, God had some favor on them tonight to
taste the victory in their last ever night game in
the Valley.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
And it was a blessing. It was just awesome and
I'm so happy for those guys.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I mean, best Stabbosweeny again following Clemses twenty four to
ten victory over the Florida State Seminoles. Sweeney also talked
about Blake Miller and some of the others super seniors
a little bit more. Miller started his fiftieth consecutive game
at Clebson. That's a record for non specialist. So here's
tabloswhen you talked about those guys, Tyler Vinnables. Obviously Brent

(31:12):
Mivintables was there as well. Sweeny has some stuff to
say about Vinables when he was asked about that, But
here he is talking about some of those seniors.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Blake Miller starting his fiftieth game.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
I mean Tyler Vinnables, Katee Park, six year guys, Walker Parks,
Tristan big Raye, Adam Randall, Antoniocade. I mean, these guys
are just warriors.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Man.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
I'm just so happy for them to be able to
taste that tonight and to be able to celebrate with them.
And I know I hadn't been a great season record wise,
but man, they.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Don't ever I don't care what the records are.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Hey don't ever get old to beat the Knowles, and
it ain't ever easy to beat the Knowles ever, And
you know, my seventeen years as the head coach, it's
pretty much been us for Florida State. I think Georgia
Tech won it my first year. I think in nine
we got beat in that game, and then Pitt one

(32:09):
end a year, and I think outside of that, it's
been Clemson and Florida State. This is this is a
huge game. And again, I don't care what the records are.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's Climpson head coach Davos Wheny following Saturday's game against
Florida State. He also talked about this Clempson defense and look,
I said earlier like twenty four to ten against Florida State. Now,
most teams would probably beat you, but they did stop
what has been a very good Florida State offense.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
And I'm just really proud of our team.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
That was a there's a number one offense in the
country coming in here, really explosive, really run the football,
one of the top ten rushing offenses, one of the
best scoring offenses, scoring forty points a game.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
I'm really proud of our defense.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Season low ten points, season low rushing for them, seizon
low yards yards for them, you know, six sacks. We
did a lot of good things. The two takeaways. We
caught a couple of breaks too, you know, with some
with some drop balls which we were really fortunate on.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But they just hung in there and they battled. They
created that.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
You know, we had Jack I thought Jack Smith's been
awesome all year, but he had you know, he was
awesome tonight. He had three inside the twenty and fifty
something larder, but he had he had a shank and
he really.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Hadn't done that.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
And the defense goes out there and gets a fumble
recovery and that's really what we haven't done, you know,
as much this year. And for Jeremiah to come up
with it. Jeremiah had, Alexander had a fumble recovery, had
a sack tonight, so to take it away. And then
you know, one of the best plays of the night
was Corey and Gibson tracking the ball, finding the ball

(33:44):
PBu and you know, tipping it up in the air
for Ricardo to get the interception. So I'm just I'm
just really proud of how they competed.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That's Stabosweeney. We'll hear some of what he had to
say about the offense coming up at the bottom half
of the hour. William Qualkinbush joins us in our number two.
Also here some really well I would label as pretty
cool comments from Dabo Sweeney when he was asked about
when he was asking about Brent Vinnables being at the game,
which was nice to see. Wrote an article about that
on Sunday. If you haven't read it, go over to

(34:13):
Clympsonsports saun dot com. Also Sweeney the moment that he
found out that Clympson had won nine out of ten
games against Florida State, kind of his reaction to that.
So there were some really neat moments during that press
conference after the game. And believe me, it was a
lot more fun to cover a postgame press conference after

(34:33):
a win than it's been all season covering postgame press
conferences after losses. And you hope, I think the fact
that you just have a few more days until Friday's
matchup at Louisville that some of this will carry over
positive momentum. Louisville with a loss this weekend, a little
surprising loss obviously at home to col Cal. That game's

(34:54):
one we could talk about. Cal goes for it in
overtime on fourth down, scores a touchdown to win the game.
So a lot of crazy stuff happened in the a
sec this weekend. All right, we'll come back. We'll hear
a little bit more from Sweeney right after this final
segment of our number one coming up, William qwalkin Bush again,
thanking to Mark Packer for joining us out of the gates.

(35:15):
Kind of a busy Monday, for sure, But we're gonna
listen to a little bit more from Dabo Sweeney here
now at number one. First, his thoughts on Clemson's offense
and the job that Kay Cleb did, specifically because Dabos
Sweeney let everybody know after the game that Kate had
been dealing with a quad injury all.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Week, and then offensively, man Cade's awesome.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I mean, he's just a warrior. He's this dude is
a competitor. It's back to back weeks. He's barely been
able to practice this week.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
It was a quad.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
His ankle was fine, but he couldn't hardly walk all
the way till Thursday. And each each day I'd be like,
he'd take very limited reps. I'd say, Cad, He'd say,
I'll be ready by Saturday. I'll be ready, And uh,
Thursday he was very Okay, He's like, I'll be ready,
and he's just he's just unbelievably committed, as tough as
they come. And uh, kid cares so much, and I'm

(36:09):
just really proud of him. All those guys, those seniors
are amazing. I'm Antonio, Adam Blake, Ry Tristan, all them
guys Walker. I mean, they're just out there grinding and battling.
What a great play by Antonio on the flea flicker.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
That was a heck of a finish on the ball.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Great great, great job by Kade to put it up
there where he could go and make a play on it.
A couple of big fourth downs and uh and then
you know, I think another thing that uh some situational
football with.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
The way the the way the game was late.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Uh, you know, you you got to be smart and
uh you feel like you've got control of the game
and creating some field position kind of putting them against
putting them up against it. You know, worked out for
so again, really happy, proud of the team, and uh,
if we can find a way to bottle that up,
we could have a great finish.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
So they go. That's some of what Dabosweeney had to say.
He was also asked about Brent Vinnables being at the
stadium and this is this is spectacular stuff here.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah. I looked up and I was like, there's Brent.
I gave him a sideline pass.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
I went over and said, what do you think they're
gonna call right here on second and fourteen?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
He said, probably a screen or draw. Uh, probably a
screen or draw. You know. So I love Brent had Skowski.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
You know, Skowsky was in my Skowsky was in my
team meeting yesterday and he's on brent staff and so
it was great for just to see those guys, and
I love Brenton and it was awesome for him to
be dad and to be able to see t Bone.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
T Bone, you know, blocked the punt last week.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Tyler's just you talk about one of the best leaders
that we've had here, Freaking Tyler Venables. This kid loves Clemson,
He loves this team, He loves everything about Clemson, and
you know, he's pretty much grown up here. And you know,
for Brenton to be able to get back and Julie,
for them to be able to get back and just
you know, be a part of that, it was. It

(38:10):
was awesome and uh, you know, so it was a
good good mojo. It was good mojo. We we we
had some good mojo down there. Uh So it was
great to see him and pulling for those guys for
a strong finish.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Davos Sweeney was also asked about the stadium atmosphere when
they started playing We Will Rock You, which apparently was
first done. I guess back when the DeAndre McDaniel hit
took place on Christian Ponder. But here's Dabosweeny talking about that.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
It was that the first time they did that.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
I heard it coming around, coming around, we were getting
off the bus.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I mean, it was just, you know, it was awesome.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
I mean it was it was like I said, there's
there's nothing better than a night game in the valley
they're in and especially you know, like I said, when
we do our part and we came out and offensively
set the tone, you know, right out of the gate,
and then defensively go out there and we stop them,
and you know, just just it was a couple I
wish we could have maybe finished on another touchdown or

(39:15):
two set of the field goal.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
But they're good. They're good. They're good team and they
got a unique scheme.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
They were a little bit of you know, kind of
a combination of kind of two schemes.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
So coaches did a nice.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Job and it looks like that was the nine matchup
between Clempson and Florida State when that happened. So it's
been what sixteen years or so that Clempson has been
playing we Will Rock You, But I think they may
have gotten away from that a little bit and bringing
it back for this game was really cool. Sweeney also
was asked about the pregame and the fact that the players,

(39:50):
many of them, went through Tiger Walk maybe all I'm
not sure, but then gathered around the pall at midfield.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah, they just the players. I think they just wanted
to you know, I mean, it's team. That's that's a
you know, That's one of the positives that I that
I think has come from this season is you know, uh,
these guys have grown stronger in their faith because they've
been their face been challenged, and it's you know, it's been,

(40:18):
it's been.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's been pretty cool to see. I think a lot
of these guys have really.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Leaned on their faith, and I think some of the
guys on the team that have really strong in their
faith have really had opportunity to pour into some of
these other guys and and certainly for me too. I mean,
like I mean, this has been a challenging time. But again,
you know I've I've lived a lot of life. I
talked about it, you know last week. I mean, everything

(40:47):
bad in my life, something good has come from it.
So that's why it's easy for me to keep the faith.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's Dabo Sweeney talking about the players gathering at the
Paul the adversity that they have faced this season. Here
he is talking about the rivalry with the Clemson in
Florida State. And I'll play the question as well because
you'll hear his his reaction mentioned.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
But great, Riberry, this is Clemson forrest date. You don't
know what nine and the last ten. Your first one
was twenty two years ago.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
We've won nine of the last ten. We've won nine
the last ten, sir, and uh, I'm looking for any
good news I can find. Boys, I'm looking. I'm looking
for anything good I can find.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
And the final thing from Swingey, we'll get the way
Qualkin Bush. He was asking about his conversation that he
had with Nick Saban on the telephone.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, I mean, Nick, he's awesome and he just he just.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
We just kind of went back and forth a little bit.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
The biggest thing is just like listen, you know, if
you coached long enough, he said, and you you've coached
long enough.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Sooner or later you will have a season like this.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
And he said, but there's opportunity in every situation, and
I know you'll you'll take advantage of this opportunity and
just wish me. I mean, he was great, just very supportive,
and you know, so he said, let me know if
you need anything, and I said, can you come play
corner for me this week?

Speaker 1 (42:17):
So there you go. That's Dabos Sweeney. All right, wait
a quick brave, we'll come out with William Qualkin Bush.
Stay with us. Lawton Swan, Clemson Sports talkt Fox Sports
Radio fourteen under the iHeartRadio app around the world podcasted
all of that. William Qualkin Bush on the guest line
with us here on a Monday afternoon while we were
talking about Tim Beray and you know what's you know

(42:37):
what's kind of crazy about it is in sports, you
never want to be the guy that follows the guy.
I mentioned this with Mark Packer earlier. Tim Berray will
tell you how great Bob Bradley was, and certainly Bob
Bradley deserves all the recognition that he earned it doing
his job as the sports information director. But Tim was

(42:58):
the guy that followed the guy. And I'm gonna tell you,
I think Tim pushed it as far as he could
possibly push it. I mean, I think he pushed it
to a whole other level. And that says a ton
about who he is, because, believe me, you don't want
to be the next guy at Alabama. You don't want
to be the next guy coaching at Clemson, let alone
to follow up Bob Bradley as the SID.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, mister b is a legend too.
I know I know him unfortunately, but I mean he's
this is a guy that just I mean, he his
imprint is all over the clemsonath late department too. So
it is even more impressive that you followed the legend
and you became a legend in your own right, right. Yeah,
I mean, I don't I don't know. I'm not sure

(43:40):
about this. I don't know about requiring or anything like that.
But like mister B's up on the stadium. I mean,
he's in that ring, and I don't I mean, I like,
I say, I don't know what the requirement be like
for Tim, But like, how did he not have Tim
in the Ring of Honor somewhere? You know, Like I
appreciate he's in the Clemson Hall Fame, but uh, how
you know, maybe maybe he should be considered for that.

(44:03):
Like I say, I'm not I'm not intim probably ask
Tim Beray what the qualifications would be if Tim Berray
wanted to get in the Ring of Honor, that's the
person I would go to. That's why he should be honored,
because no, you're not going to anybody else to ask
that question. So yeah, I mean to have the self
confidence and to have the longevity to say I want
to invest in Clenson, I want to stay here, I

(44:24):
want to grow it. I love you know, Uh, I
love being in this community and serving this this institution's
university community.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
I think it says a lot about Tim's character.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Final couple of things with William Qualkinbush here on a Monday,
So Clemson basketball obviously underway, a couple of really good games.
I mean, the competition is what it is. Uh, The
thing that is so strange about basketball in this day
and age is there were years where I can remember
thinking to myself, Clem, I can't wait for Clemson to
be like a veteran led team going up against a

(44:56):
bunch of unknown freshman fellows that do Now, it's a
bunch of guys. Some of them are veterans, but they're
relative unknowns to Tiger fans. But my takeaway over the
past couple of games has been this, and I'll see
if you agree. I like their ability to play with
different personnel At this point. I don't know what they'll
settle in on or how it'll look once you get
into the Atlantic Coast Conference slate when maybe the teams

(45:19):
are a little bit tougher, But so far, the intermixing
of combinations that they've been able to run out there
makes it a very intriguing team I think to watch.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
I mean, I Brad bright Now on the show last
week and he said the twos be the ones pretty
routinely practice, and it kind of raised Ben and I
raise our eyebrows. But you started looking at that second unit.
I mean, Carl Welling's on the second unit, He's Bugger's
on the second unit. I think Chase Thompson can freaking
play all right. Uh, you've got you know, you've got freshmen,

(45:51):
you've got older players on that second group. And look,
I'm not saying that's gonna be the second group all year.
But I don't remember this type of balance. I'm at
twenty twenty twenty one team where Emir Sims was old
and PJ. Hall was was young and they were playing
a million people that Brad Branell sort of compares it to.
I don't remember this depth. When you've got Budda Johnson

(46:14):
calling off the bench, when you got Zach Foster calling
off the bench. Uh, these are like good players. These
are like Budda Johnson has started in college basketball, Cardor
Welling has started. Gallas basketball play a high level. And
then you look at the starters and like I've said that,
Welling plays with force. Mick Davison loves you to sleep.
Mick Davis's gonna be like, boy, I don't remember anything

(46:34):
he's done today. And he looked down at He's got
like sixteen and eight. He's just he's just solid around
the basket. He saw it around the basket. He's got
great footwork. They're still learning each other defensively. I think
it's some things, but that that front court with Ian
Godfrey is terrific. Uh, Jake Walling is gonna be tremendous,
Like he's there's gonna be a game where he goes
off for six threes and and you're gonna look back

(46:57):
and say, he's the difference in the game. Dylan Honner
hasn't had to be great, which I think was a
prerequisite for this team. I mean, you know, people say,
maybe you want more from your starting point guard, but
like guys not turning it over three or four assists
a game, seven a nine to ten points whatever, that
seems fine because he's gonna guard. You know that, he's
gonna get a couple of steals, you know that. And

(47:18):
he doesn't need to try to be Chase Hunter averaging
fifteen a game. And when guys come off the bench
and the other guys in starting line I'm doing that.
It just allows Dylan Hunter to be a comfortable version
of himself. That those are things that I really have
loved to see about the team. By the way, another
one I talked about Dylan protecting the ball two games
eighty minutes one hundred and thirty three possessions so far

(47:39):
on the season, nine turnovers, only three turnovers on Friday.
So not only are they've been efficient, but they've been
efficient while only getting shots. They're not turning the ball over.
And I love seeing AFOO basketball team that hasn't played
together but looks like they have.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
On Twitter at qualt Talk every day noon until three o'clock,
Alabama's Will qualk and be in Quality have a great day, man, Thanks,
thanks Wanni to be with you. There you go, some
interesting conversation with William Qualkin was here today and again
he's here every Monday. I wish Mark Packer was here
every Monday. Pack Man made it sound like though he's
hey available maybe next season. That's what we can do

(48:18):
is book up Mark Packer every Monday afternoon. It will be
a lot of fun just finding out his thoughts on
the world of college football. And that was probably my
big takeaway from our conversation with Mark Packer is the
fact that you know, he's not been around the sport

(48:40):
the way he once was, and you know, not the
day to day grind and taking the notes and doing
all the little things that you do when you have
a radio show, and you're talking about all these teams,
but yet still very much, very much all over it
when it comes down to what's going on in the

(49:01):
world of college football. So that was fun talk with him,
talking with William qualkin Bush. All right, eight O three
four five h zero zero eighty six. Again, let me
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(49:23):
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the legends in the development of the modern day NFL
passed away over the weekend. We'll tell you who that

(49:45):
was and why. I think the impact that he had
is something that college sports needs, not just college football,
college sports. When we return, stay with us, Lawton Swamp
back with you on a Monday afternoon Clemson Sports Talk
eight three four or five h zero zero eighty six

(50:06):
so longtime NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabu passed away over the weekend.
You know, when I was growing up, the NFL was
led by Pete Roselle, and I would say that under
Roselle's leadership and then Paul Tagliavou's leadership, the league really

(50:27):
took off and kind of became the behemoth that it
is today. And you know, one of the things that
kind of spills over into college sports at this point
is the lack of real leadership, the lack of the

(50:52):
leadership that it's going to take, I think to get
us to where we want to be in in sports
because or in college sports. Because here's the thing. And yes,
I understand the NBA had David Stern and now Adam
Silver and you know, so on and so forth. So

(51:14):
the different sports have their own commissioners, but it definitely
feels like we need a singular voice who's who has
the ability to unite the conferences. And football leads the way, right,

(51:39):
I mean, football absolutely leads the way, but it's got
to be somebody who is willing to unite on all
fronts and we've got to have the leadership that can
take things to the next level for college sports, much

(52:00):
like commissioners do for their leagues individually. Tagliabu, who was
eighty four, was the commissioner of the NFL for seventeen seasons,
and again the league grew tremendously. And what I worry
about with college sports is that right now it feels

(52:25):
like a cheap version of professional sports, and people who
are finding themselves in a spot where they think loyalty
is gone by the wayside will look somewhere else. And
I would make an argument that, for the first time
in my life, the NFL and its salary cap and

(52:53):
the limited amount of movement there are on rosters, by
comparison to the college game, I would make an argument
that if you just loved football and you don't care
about basketball or baseball or whatever, that the NFL product
right now is better than the collegiate product. And Dabosweeney

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said during his postgame comments after the Florida State game,
talking about all the teams in the NFL that are
three and five, and that's what parody does. And that
furthers my argument about getting away from a beauty pageant
where we just assume that these teams are the most
beautiful and getting to okay, in this beautiful league of teams.

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In this beautiful league of teams, here are the best
teams in that league, and we're going to put them
in the playoffs. And like, I like that aspect of it.
Like for this season in the NFL, just take a
look at say the NFC West Seattle is seven to
two and Los Angeles is seven to two the Rams,

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they are in the same division. And even though there
are divisions like the NFC North where five and two
five to one leads the way, with the Green Bay
Packers above six and three Detroit and six and three Chicago,
everybody's in their own division fighting for the opportunity. True

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leadership is going to be able to sit down with
the SEC with the big ten because we can't. I
don't think we can. Look at the money that you
are making today, That's not what this needs to be about.
It's got to be about what does the future revenue
model look like? And if college sports and college football

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begin to see a dip in people that care about it,
the value plummets. You have to create caring, you know,
you You've got to have people that go this is
what I love. But with players being able to move,
and there's no loyalty amongst the players fans, loyalty will dwindle.

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And then when you have situations where you have a
twelve team playoff and one team or one league gets
four teams and one league gets one team, people are
and if that happens consistently, people in that one bid
league like the Atlantic Coast Conference may very well be
and that's fine. The AEC put itself in this spot
this weekend with the losses that the conference had, but

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fans will begin to say, I'm not so interested in that.
And I think smart money and long term money is
on coming together and creating a system that is not
necessarily I don't know if the word is more equitable,

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but I think it's a system that spreads the opportunity
to everyone. And by putting as I have died, I
will die on this hill of the Southeastern Conference, in
the Big twelve on one side, in the Atlantic Coast
Conference and the Big Ten on the other, I think

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that's a pretty even split. You can play across across
the leagues, right call one the Big ten and one
the SEC. I don't really care what you call it.
You can play across leagues, Clemson can play South Carolina.
But when you get to the playoffs, the Southeastern Conference
and the Big Twelve are on one side, and the

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Atlantic Coast Conference and the Big Ten are on the other,
and the top say four teams from each of those
leagues in league play only would be the four teams
that are in. And then you whetle your way down
and I would think that the teams in the Big
Ten in the SEC at this point and Tom would

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say that makes a lot of sense because we think
we're better than we believe. Our top four are better
than the top four in the other league. The SEC's
top four are better than the top four in the
Big twelve. So you might get four SEC teams in
the final four on one side, you might get four
Big Ten teams in the final four. On the other side,
that would mean in an eighteen playoff, as you whittle

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it down, it's all SEC and all Big Ten. But
you know what I would say to that, if that's
the way it worked out, they earned it. It wasn't
a beauty pageant. Give me that all day every day.
Find those segment flip sides. Stay with us.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
What have you done for me? Lately. It's a fair question.
Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture, don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately? And what have
you done? Always are the same. We win.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Final segment on the Monday. Thank you to William qualkin Bush,
Thank you to Mark Packer. David d twenty three hits
us up via the text line, hadn't heard from David
D in a while. Talk about this YouTube TV ESPN
deal still waiting. That's another good that goes back to

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what I was just talking about with college football, like
I am going to get rid of YouTube TV, and
a week or so ago I said I wasn't gonna
do that. I will probably get rid of it regardless
of their decision with ESPN and Disney, because these are
billion dollar companies battling for my pennies. When I got

(59:29):
things I gotta pay for, I said I'd never get
rid of it. I think I'm going to just gotta
wait till the end of the regular season in the NFL,
So I got about six more weeks. If they get
it solved between now and then, maybe I'll keep it
but I got the ESPN Sunday or the NFL Sunday ticket,

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so I'm not gonna quit it before that goes away anyway.
Davy D twenty three sets Swanny, I heard you're talking
about the YouTube TA ESPN deal Thursday, he said. I
don't have YouTube TV, but I have the Hulu Disney
ESPN Unlimited bundle. I've heard about this, David d because
I have Hulu, ESPN, Disney Plus or whatever. Hulu Disney Plus,

(01:00:17):
ESPN Plus, not ESPN Unlimited. But David says, for anyone
interested in just getting by until this thing is all settled,
my suggestion would be to log out ESPN, Hulu and
Disney on any device that you would want to watch
ESPN on. Then go purchase the ESPN Unlimited plan for

(01:00:39):
twenty nine to ninety nine or bundle it, but use
a different email than the one you use for your
YouTube TV. Therefore the ESPN and Disney would look like
a different subscriber then the person who is listed as
the subscribe subscriber on YouTube TV. Oh that's an interesting plan,

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he says. I've not tried it, but if I was
in the same situation with YouTube TV and all that
would be my workaround until the dispute gets settled. Yeah,
it's a pain. I don't know anybody that loves it.
I've got my own personal workarounds. Don't want to really

(01:01:26):
get into that on the ear. Uh, But I am surviving.
I am surviving. I just don't watch everything that I
normally would, and the ESPN plus part of my ESPN

(01:01:50):
Disney Hulu bundle does help some, like college game days
on the air and things like that. But yeah, I
just looking at it right now, ESPN is still not
there and I can't. I just can't hang up on
what I've already paid for with the Sunday ticket, so
I will have it until then. Although watching the Jacksonville

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Jaguars and Big trev and Travis etn melt down yesterday
versus the Texans, they gave up twenty six fourth fourth
quarter points. Jacksonville led twenty nine to ten going into

(01:02:34):
the fourth quarter a nineteen point lead and gave up
twenty six points in the fourth quarter to lose thirty
six twenty nine. The Jags would be six and three
right now. They would be sitting so pretty. The Texans
scored a touchdown with twelve sixteen remaining to make it
twenty nine to sixteen. They converted the two point conversion
to make it twenty nine to eighteen. They scored another

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touchdown about five minutes later to make it twenty nine
to twenty four. They scored another touchdown with thirty one
seconds left in the game. I thought the Jaguars got
hosed on a couple of penalties late in the game,
specifically a pass interference call, a big passing interference call

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that led to that final touchdown. The Texans went for two,
didn't get it. The Jaguars had the ball, just needed
to get a few yards to get in the field
goal range. With the way Cam Little kicks the football
down by one, Trevor Lawrence gets hit on the final
play of the game. The ball lands in the arms
of Anderson, who returns it. I believe, I know Rankins

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returned at thirty two yards. The hit was made by Anderson,
returned at thirty two yards for a touchdown as the
time expired, and the Jaguars ball to five and four.
Disappointing five and four for sure. And let me tell
you that kind of meltdown that can beat you multiple times,

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that's just the worst of the worst ways to lose
a game, and it's not going to get any easier
for the Jaguars as they host the Los Angeles Chargers
on Sunday. That's a one o'clock kickoff. The Chargers are
two and a half point favorites and they are seven

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to three out in the AFC West. Just total frustration.
That's a game Jacksonville should have won, and I really
don't know how they're going to put it in their
rearview mirror. Just total, a total meltdown, a meltdown of
epic proportion. We gotta get out of here. As always,

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y'all take care now and go Tigers.