The "Upperclassman Conflict" Edition

The NBA and College Basketball should shift gears to improve fan engagement for both fan bases. 

Episode Transcript

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mets Plumbing dot com. That's the website as well. Last
night in the NBA the draft took place. We'll dive
into some of that here on the program. Out of
the gates. Most notably for me is how small and

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insignificant the whole event felt by comparison to the NFL Draft,
and of the NFL Draft has many more days. I
know the NFL Draft has managed to accentuate Round one
by having it on its own day Thursday, with rounds
two and three falling on Friday, and then Saturday having

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rounds four through seven take place. And I don't recall
the NBA doing it the way they're doing it now,
where they're trying the same thing, where last night was
just round one and tonight is round two. How many
of you are gonna watch Round two of the NBA Draft?
You talk about something that's gonna be awful. I don't
want to see the ratings numbers on it. You might

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as well to have to put that thing on television. But
I go back to what I was saying yesterday about
the time these guys spend in college and there's little
to no investment. And I don't mean financially invested, I
mean with your heart how much you love and care
about these individuals across the board. I don't care if

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it's per Flag at Duke, it doesn't matter. The problem
to me becomes the fact that these individuals, you, the fans,
aren't bought into them, and their stories aren't that great.
They're not that compelling. What they did at the collegiate
level is nonexistent. Like I hate to say it, but

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the NBA Draft last night was boring. I turned it off.
The storylines were minimal, the conversations were atrocious. The connection
to the players in the venue bunkers. How little. Like
when I went to the NBA Draft in nineteen ninety

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six ish, maybe in ninety seven, whatever Tim Duncan was drafted,
that draft was held in Charlotte, And until you got
to the second round, that was the nineteen ninety seven
NBA Draft. Until you got to the second round, you

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weren't really dealing with unknowns. You weren't really dealing with
players that you didn't know or hadn't seen play. Just
for a moment here, if you will indulge me. The
first pick Tim Duncan, senior, Wake Forest. The second pick

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Keith van Horns, senior at Utah. The third pick sophomore
Chauncey Billups out of Colorado. The fourth pick Antonio Daniels,
senior from Bowling Green Tony Batti, the fifth pick junior
from Texas tech Ron Mercer sophomore from Kentucky, the seventh pick,

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Tim Thomas, the freshman fellow from Villanova. I mean, the
further you went into the draft still were looking at
juniors and seniors, and you did have a high school
monster named Tracy McGrady make his way to the NBA
with that draft, Scott Pollard with the nineteen selection, a

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senior at Kansas that you had some investment in. Keith Booth,
a senior from Maryland with the twenty eighth pick that
you had some investment in. Honestly, it got for me
probably I remember around pick forty eight while I was

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at the draft because I stayed the whole time. That
was when it really went downhill. They started drafting guys
from other countries that I had never heard of, Guys
from France and Yugoslavia and Australia. But for forty seven picks.

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I mean, God Sham God, sophomore point guard out of
Providence was the forty fifth pick, a name everybody knew.
I mean, well, it's a very unique name, but people
remember watching him play. And then you contrast that with

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the twenty twenty five NBA Draft, and it just it
feels so lacking of substance of support. How much could
you possibly miss Cooper flag if you are a fan

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at Duke seriously, how much could you miss him? I mean,
you go, well, he's a great player, we'd love to
have him back. Well, no, no, dub, but he didn't.
He didn't play three years. And again the we had
the mock draft give us the projections on where players

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would go. And our first upper classmen, our first junior
or senior, was selected eleventh. Cedric Coward out of Washington
State was drafted by the Portland Trailblazers and traded to Memphis.
And then our second upper classman was Walter Clayton, junior

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star of the NCAA Tournament, went eighteenth to the Washington Wizards.
And then the third Nick Clifford drafted with the twenty
fourth pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder and was I
believe traded the Sacramento. I have to double check that

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there was a lot going on with that pick. It
was one of those, it was one of those that
was involved in the Paul George trade from the Clippers
traded the Sacramento. I'm thinking that's the case. I'm not
one hundred percent sure, but then I think in the
remaining half of the first round, or the remaining portion

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I should say, of the first round, there were two
more guys selected. Danny Wolf junior out of Michigan with
the twenty seventh pick, and the final pick last night
was a junior from Penn State, Yannick Conan Niederhauser, and
that was a pick from the Clippers, came from the

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Oklahoma City deal. But anyway, the broader point for me,
and the more significant point on all of this, just
points back to the lack of investment that fans have
and I can't, for the life of me, believe that

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this current model, as I noted yesterday, is good for
basketball at any level. It's not good for college basketball
in my opinion, it's not good for the NBA. Now,
you could make an argument, okay, if you want it.
You could say to me, well, Swanee, the first eight

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picks in the NBA Draft last night, we're all freshmen.
Would your investment be greater in those individuals if they
had arrived at the NBA level last season going through
the draft process as high school players? And I will

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counter that argument with if we had instituted in advance
the three years collegiately. That rule the guys that would
be coming out of college that three years prior didn't
make that leap to the NBA out of high school

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would subplant Cooper Flag at the number one and the
other players Dylan Harper with the number two pick, and
on and on and on. Right, there's a domino effect
that would eventually take place that would create conflict for

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the Cooper Flags of the world where he might have
to say, you know what I'm gonna i could go
pro right out of high school, but I'm going to
commit to playing three years collegiately. And then in turn,
what that would do is likely after three years he
would be the number one selection and that would minimize

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kids coming out of high school that would want to
immediately jump to the NBA. It would maximize the value
of the player at the collegiate level, and in turn,
last night, when you were watching that story that was

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being told there would be investment from the collegiate level.
You would go, Man, remember the three years Cooper flagged,
the incredible runs they had at Duke, the national championship
that they won his sophomore year, Or how about when
Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper at Rutgers. How about when

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those two guys combined to lead Rutgers to the National Championship,
upsetting Duke on the way as juniors. And to see
those guys then be drafted, with Cooper Flag and kon
K Nupple and Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey all being
drafted in the top five picks. You, as a fan,
regardless if you followed Duke, regardless of if you followed Rutgers,

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would have a level of investment in the sport in
that moment. I should say maybe more than anything, you
would have some investment in that NBA draft last night,
and more importantly for the NBA, and this is the thing,
more importantly for Adam Silver's league. When those guys went

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to the pros. Those of you that sit on your
hands during NBA games and go, I'm not gonna watch
these guys. I don't know anything about these guys, you
would begin to know more about them. Some of you
may have never been invested in the NBA, and that's okay.
You may not have liked it during Michael Jordan's era.
You might not have liked it when it was Larry
and Magic, going back and forth you might not have

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liked it when there was Wilt the Stilt and lu
Al sindor Kareem abdulen Chabbar. You might not have liked
it then, And that's okay there. You know what, I
don't watch much tennis, not that I don't like it,
but I don't watch it. I don't watch a lot
of golf at this point in my life outside of
the majors. Some of you watch it every weekend. Great,
you want to go watch some guys hack around at

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some course I've never heard of for fifteen million dollars,
Good for you. I don't watch too many regular season
NBA games right now, and I used to. I watch some,
but not much. But you know what, if I had
a better and a bigger investment in the players that
were drafted into the NBA, I might decide that I

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want to sit down and watch an NBA basketball game
because it might be two players that I can remember
collegiately facing off against one another being the top players
in the country. I kind of laughed at myself the
other day because here I am, I host a sports
talk show and my son brought up a player in

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the NBA. I don't even know if this guy's still
in the NBA. But he brought up a kid that
played the NBA, and he said, Dad, have you ever
seen this kid that had a block shot by his
hair because he had some kind of agreement with some
buddies that they weren't gonna cut their hair till they

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won a championship or something, and so his hair is
like pulled all the way forward and somehow it's hair
sort of got his eyes blocked his shot whatever. And
I said, this guy played in the NBA. I was like,
I've never even heard of this guy. Now there are
guys that were in the NBA in the eighties that
I never heard of, right, But even still, it just

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made me reflect and go, how do I not remember
anything about said player, whether collegiately or professionally, And what
would happen again? I want to state the obvious here.

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Those seven players drafted, or excuse me, eight players drafted
that were freshmen, maybe one or two of them coming
out of high school a year ago. Take a run
at it. But the more mature and seasoned players would
already be at the collegiate level, and those guys would

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have been the top picks and that would kind of
force some of these younger guys that want to take
a chance to maybe rethink and say, I've been to college.
I'll make some money for three years playing collegiately. It'll
become kind of the minor league of the NBA. Sure,
some of these cats will dance around school to school
with a transfer portal. I mean, I can't deny that

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that does certainly play into it as well. That's probably
a factor that I haven't even brought up on the
front of why you're not overly invested in some of
these guys even when they're older, because some of them
have moved schools and transferred. But either way, like last night,

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was it felt uneventful. It felt completely uneventful. Colin Murray
Boyles of the South Carolina game Cocks for all our
fine feathered friends hanging out with us today so you could.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Continue to peek over the fence at the best radio showing.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
The Naked CMB was drafted ninth by the Toronto Raptors.
He did not look thrilled to be going across the border.
His girlfriend, Chloe Kitts is that her name? She plays
for South Carolina's women's team. She too did not look

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excited about Mary Boyle's heading to Toronto. And I don't
I don't know. If it's the weather, Canada, you're having
to get a visa or whatever. You know, you gotta
get your passport, whatever you gotta have. Know did not

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look thrilled with the moment, though, did he. I will
say this to Colin Murray Boyles, and I'll say this
to most of you as well. Pull out your map,
fire up Google Maps, and there's a portion of you
that are gonna sit there at home and go swanee.

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We already know this. But the portion of Canada where
most of the people live, Toronto, et cetera. It's south

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of Michigan, Okay, the tips of Michigan, you know it's
it's south of New Hampshire, Vermont, it's New York. If
you will Toronto, like, you don't have to be too

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too concerned, you know, outside of being in another country,
it's you're not by Alaska. I think when we say Toronto,
people go oh Alaska, Canada. Ooh, no way. Go pull
out your map, go get your Google Maps app, open

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it up. Look just above Lake Ontario, right there on
Lake Ontario. As a matter of fact, Toronto. Trying to
see now it's north of Man Harbor, Michigan, slightly north
of East Lansing. It's I'm looking for Syracuse, you know,

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a little north of Syracuse, but not bad. You're not
bordering Anchorage, Alaska or anything like north. You're not up
in the Northwest Territory. The U god, I mean even
Vancouver when the Grizzlies were in the NBA, that was
well well north of Toronto. And for that matter, just

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throw in the Google machine. Toronto is south of Eugene, Oregon.
So if you are now again, they're not directly above
one another. But the Oregon Ducks Eugene, Oregon is in
fact north of Toronto. So Eugene, Oregon is at forty

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four degrees north while Toronto is at forty three point seven.
So technically you're south of Oregon or Eugene, Orgon at
least quick Break will be back with more on a
Thursday afternoon, the Show that Shakes to south Land, Clemson
Sports and Swan with you on a Thursday afternoon yesterday

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on the program. If you didn't join us or you
weren't here yesterday, what we looked at were the over
under of several teams, including Florida State, SMU, and Michigan
based off of their schedule and the number of projected
or expected wins. And so with that, we'll continue on

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here over the next couple of weeks, just diving into
a couple of schedules and trying to lay out the
game plan for how we see some of these seasons
panning out.

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Now.

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Projected wind totals are fluid. Okay, there's not necessarily one
place or the other that you could look, but looking
at Florida State, SMU, and Michigan, my guess was all
of those teams would be over based off of their
current schedule. The problem, as noted yesterday on the program

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by our guests Jeff Cameron, was that if Florida State
goes eight and four, they basically lose every game that
their fan base feels like they need to win. They
would lose to Clemson, they would lose to Miami, they
would lose to Alabama, they would lose to Florida, And
in the mind's eye of FSU fans, that's a lot
of also rans that maybe you beat up. Now another

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team that has high expectations coming into the season, much
like your Clemson Tigers, who, by the way, the over
under on clemsons at nine and a half. But we'll
stick locally here with the Georgia Bulldogs. George is projected
over under this season. And again we're talking regular season

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here ten and a half wins, So do you think
Georgia win eleven either they're twelve games or less. We'll
dive into Georgia's schedule momentarily. The other team we're gonna
take a look at today. We're gonna keep our eyes
on the Southeastern Conference, and we're gonna talk about a
ball club that we touched on yesterday, the Alabama Crimson Time.

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And we bring up Alabama because obviously week one they
open with the Florida State Seminoles. Well, Alabama's over under
this season is nine and a half. And then we'll
wrap it up today with a look at the Miami Hurricanes.
Miami enters the season with an over under of eight

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and a half. So Georgia, Alabama and Miami today here
on the program. And again remember these are very fluid numbers.
An injury during fall camp could change them, but at
this point for Georgia ten and a half, for Alabama
nine and a half and for Miami eight and a half.

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So we begin with the Georgia Bulldogs. They opened the
season on August the thirtieth at three thirty on ESPN
against Marshall. Chalk that up as a w over the
Thundering Herd. The following week, they'll take on the Governors
of Austin, p another victory for the Bulldogs. Then they

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go to Tennessee a three thirty kickoff on ABC. Even
if Nico Iomaliava was still at Tennessee, I would pick
Georgia to win that game on the road in front
of one hundred thousand fans. You follow that up with
a home game against Alabama. Now, this matchup, I think,

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ultimately for Georgia could be the one that hinges on
whether or not they're over or under the ten and
a half. At this point, given the overall roster construction
and not knowing anything about what these teams will look
like four games into their season, I would tend to

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lean in on Georgia winning at home night game that's
going to be on ABC seven thirty PM. So I'll
give Georgia the benefit of the doubt against Alabama. I'll
take Georgia over Kentucky. The following week they go to Auburn.
I think that's another win for the Dogs. They'll they

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will host Old Miss. Should be another tough one, but
I think Georgia wins that game. They face Florida and
the largest outdoor cocktail party on the neutral site in Jacksonville.
I tend to believe Georgia would win that one as well.
At Mississippi State, I would take the Bulldogs versus Texas

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late in the season that game, much like Alabama, Ole
Miss and maybe Florida. Mike could go either way. It's
at home. Big benefit for the Bulldogs there. I'll take
the Dogs to do it. Against Charlotte will win. And

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against Georgia Tech, I think a win and that should
be a challenging game. I mean, looking at their schedule,
I would presume that Georgia likely finds a way to
go undefeated. But I could also see them and this
is why ten and a half is the number. I

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could see them losing two of those tough games that
we brought up along the way. Now, if the Bulldogs
stump their toe early, if Carson Beck gone Gunner Stockton
doesn't work out, you know, if it looks rough at
Tennessee and then you lose against Alabama, that certainly would

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change the complexion. I mean, if you look at the
SMP ratings coming out of spring, Alabama is rated higher
than Georgia, Texas just behind them. But Georgia has the
favor of the favorable aspect of being at home against
those teams, and so I'll take home field advantage. I

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don't believe Georgia will go undefeated. I think they probably
lose one of those games. But even still, if I
just venture, my guess would be as I went through it,
giving them the benefit of the doubt, twelve and zero.
But I mean, even if I had to hedge my

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bet and give them a loss to one of those teams,
I think I'd likely take the over in that regard
for the Georgia Bulldogs. All right, So if we say
that the Alabama game is the loss, and we are
automatically starting Alabama with a win, when we come back,
we'll take a look at the Crimson Tide schedule and

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see if they can eclipse the nine and a half
over under that many people believe in terms of the
amount of games they'll win this coming season. When we
get back right here, on the show The Shakespare south Land,
Clemson Sports Talk. Lawton Swan with you Clemson Sports Talk
on a Thursday afternoon. Timberrey coming up in our number two.

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fans shot. So again looking at the Georgia schedule and
we're about to jump in Alabama. But I did some
research during the break because I do feel uncomfortable marketing

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them down at you know, being undefeated. I think there's
a loss somewhere in there, but I don't know, and
maybe if there's one, there's two, right, But during the break,
the odds of going undefeated in college football this year,
Georgia has the I think sixth best odds at plus

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six hundred, think's about fourteen percent chance that the Bulldogs
go undefeated. So not much, but they do have a chance.
But Georgia, instead of going to Alabama two all missing
two Texas this year, gets those games at home because
the SEC just flip flopped the schedule, and so for
Georgia fans, it's a great home schedule. It's a minimal

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road schedule because of your neutral site game against Florida.
You play at Tennessee, at Auburn, and at Mississippi State
and that's it. Out of twelve game schedule, three road
games for the Bulldogs. That's the other side of that
coin as well, but pretty good odds that the Dogs

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do go undefeated. Now, how about the Alabama Crimson Tide again,
taking a look at the over unders, Alabama projected at
nine and a half and so here's what their schedule
looks like. They open at Florida State. They are heavy favorite.
Chalk them down for a win there, much like I

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chalked it down for a loss for Florida State. They'll
beat Louisiana Monroe, then they host Wisconsin. I would think
that Alabama would beat Wisconsin before going to Georgia again,
toss up game one way or the other. In the
previous scenario kind of leaned in on the Dogs winning

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at home. We can do that here. We could play
that game and say that that's a victory for the
Dogs and their loss comes somewhere else, and if it does,
that makes Alabama three and one versus Vanderbilt revenge game.
You would think that Alabama will be tuned up for
that one. Four and one at Missouri. That place is
never easy for whatever reason. And I'm not just saying

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it because of their head coach Eli Drinkwitz, but I
think a lot of people over estimate what they are
going to do when they play Missouri, maybe even the
it's just a total underestimation of the Missouri Tigers. That

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game's on the road, it's a noon kickoff. I still
think Alabama would win that game versus Tennessee. I would say, yes,
Alabama wins that. At South Carolina. I think the Crimson
Tide come to Columbia and get a win. Versus LSU
is another game that you might put in the tossing

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a coin type ball game, but I think Alabama wins
that game. Versus Oklahoma I think they win that one
versus Eastern Illinois. Yes, and then I would assume, although
we've seen crazier things on the road at Auburn, that
they will get a win, which would put Alabama kind
of in that eleven one ten two range for me. Again,

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I think there are blemishes on this schedule. Are there
more than two? I don't believe. So what does the
quarterback play look like? For sure is a big question.
I can't be overly dismissive of their games against Tennessee
or South Carolina. Certainly you can't be dismissive of LSU

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and Georgia. So there are some bumps in the road.
But I feel pretty good about saying I think Alabama
gets to ten and two and maybe eleven and one.
I don't think they're undefeated. Their odds of going undefeated,
they had the ninth best odds of undefeated at plus

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nine hundred Yahoo's Sports saying the Crimson tod would need
to clean a lot of things up in Kelendibor's second
season to go undefeated. Alabama visits Georgia on September the
twenty seventh. I think that's a loss, and they also
play at South Carolina a week after hosting Tennessee in
their annual rivalry game, which might make one way or

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the other that South Carolina game a bit of a
trap game if you have a little let down from
maybe a big win against Tennessee or something along those lines.
In November includes games against LU, Oklahoma and a trip
to Auburn to close out the season. Quarterback play I
think is also important here for sure, as Ty Simpson

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takes over and Simpson's had remember this again, Clipson and
Alabama came down to for landing. But you know, you
look at Ty Simpson's total numbers heading into his sophomore season.
He's been there three years, but again, played less than

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four games in year one, still gets the red shirt,
all that good stuff, but he's got a grand total
of fifty attempts in twenty nine completions. He's never thrown
a college touchdown. He's also never thrown an interception either,
but he's passed for just over three hundred yards in

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his career. So not a lot of opportunity for Ty
Simpson and who everybody's going to be turning their attention
to in t Town this year at the quarterback spot.
But he was highly regarded, no doubt about it. Coming
out of high school. He was the Tennessee Gatnery Player
of the Year. But this is a you know, he's

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a big question about how good Alabama is.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You know that over under number probably rides on his play.
So as I look at the schedule, I think eleven
and one hedge a bet on the one drop down
and I'll say ten to two. There's another loss somewhere
in there for Alabama, and so I'll say that I
would take the over just barely all in Alabama. I've

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taken the over on all three teams, which means I
think some of the underlings are going to probably struggle
a little bit this year. When we come back final
one this hour Miami, the Hurricanes eight and a half wins.
Can they push that number with us final segment of
our one come up? Tim Murray joins the program. So

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we're taking a look at over unders with the remainder
of the week. Maybe in the next week. Miami eight
and a half the over under new quarterback in town,
Carson Beck, transferring in from Georgia. More notably too, like
I was thinking during the break about how Kellen de

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boor is perceived at Alabama versus how he was perceived
at the end of his tenure at Washington with the
run they made and how quickly, even though he's an
alum of Miami, how quickly Mario Christobal. I feel like

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his arrogance because he came. He came to Miami like
a rocket. Like his His trend in the world of
college football was through the roof. After spending time at

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Alabama from twenty thirteen to twenty sixteen, he goes to
Oregon as the co offensive coordinator and offensive line coach
at twenty seventeen. Takes over at Oregon in twenty eighteen
and was just skyrocketing. I think in the minds I
had a lot of people. Went twelve and two in

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his third year at Oregon during the shortened COVID year
twenty twenty. Don't really count four and three against them.
They're a weird year. But then they go ten and
three the following season, and Miami comes knocking, and I
get it. Like being on the West Coast, it's tough.

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But he comes home and they go five and seven
in year one, three and five in the ACC, seven
to six in twenty twenty three, three and five in
the ACC, and then last year, with a birth in
the Atlantic Coast Conference Championship game on the line, Miami

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chokes it down against Syracuse, losing forty two thirty eight,
opening up the door for Clemson to not only get
into the ACC Championship game, but for Clemson to get
into the College Football Playoff with a win in the
a SC Championship Game over SMU. So what will the
Hurricanes look like this season and can they get over

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the eight and a half win bubble, especially when you
consider a new quarterback in Carson Beck and expectations that
most people would believe are certainly gonna take a step
back this season because you lost the number one pick
in the draft in cam Ward who was an electric playmaker.

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Now they open their season August the thirty first, at
home against Notre Dame. That's a seven thirty start on ABC.
Notre Dame. I've kind of talked about these most likely
to go undefeated right in college football? Notre Dame has
the best odds this year to go twelve And Oh,

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we'll look at Notre Dame's schedule maybe tomorrow. I'll tell
you what. I'll put that down right now on paper
and that way, we won't forget about it. But the
Irish are the favorites to go twelve and oh, but
they've got a couple of tough games very early in
the season. Miami in Week one, and they host Texas

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A and m in Week three, the Hurricanes obviously opening
at home against Notre Dame. I think it's tough sledding.
I think Notre Dame wins that game on the road
week two, but through Cookman, that's a win for the Hurricanes.
Week three versus South Florida, I'll take the Hurricanes winning

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that one versus Florida. The Gators with DJ Lagway at quarterback,
we need to put them on our list as well.
But I'll take Florida to win that game, dropping Miami
to two and two at Florida State obviously yesterday, that's
a game I played in Miami's favor I'll play in
Miami's favor here as well, making the Hurricanes three and

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two versus Louisville. I would think Miami would win that
game at home. There's not a real home field advantage
at Miami right now, but that's just kind of the
nature of the beast of being the Miami Hurricanes at
this point in time, with a home stadium that's an
hour away from the campus, and you don't have a
lot of local support in terms of the fans, even

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when you're winning, you got to be elite at Miami
to crowd that venue. I'll take a win though over
Stanford there, excuse me, over Louisville. I'll take a win
over Stanford that pushes them to five and two at
SMU and Kevin Jennings Again, I had SMU going nine
and three yesterday, with one of those losses being to Miami,

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So I got to give the Hurricanes that one to
push them to six and two on the season. Versus Syracuse,
I would think seven and two. Versus NC State, I
think that'll be a tough one to be eight and two.
At Virginia Tech, you should win that nine and two.

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And then versus Pitt I think you win that one
that would put you at nine and two. The problem
is there's probably a game in that mix, whether it's Louisville,
whether it's Into State, somebody else in there I think
jumps up. It could even be Florida State that might
jump up and beat them. If I had to say

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at this point, whether or not they're over under eight
and a half again, I would say yes, And I
think it's probably a nine and three record for the
Hurricanes this season. So I believe they'll lose to Notre Dame.

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I believe they'll lose to Florida. I think there's a
minimum of one additional loss in there. It might even
be SMU for that matter, which would flip flop SMU
to a ten win team in my predictions, and push
Miami to a nine and three. So I think over,
but just barely, just barely. And so for two days,

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I've been over for every team Florida State, SMU, Michigan, Georgia, Alabama,
and Miami Quick Break, We'll come Back. Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1 (42:16):
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Speaker 2 (42:57):
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welcome in. How are you?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I'm doing well? Lot Now you doing today?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I'm good? You know I was looking. Clemson Athletics put
out a tweet earlier eight teams Tim at Clemson in
the top twenty five to wrap up the twenty twenty
four to twenty twenty five season. Now with baseball in
the books, men's soccer finished ninth, softball eleventh, lacrosse thirteenth, football, fourteenth,
baseball twentieth, women's indoor track and field twentieth, men's basketball

(43:59):
twenty second, in rowing twenty fourth. You and I often
talk about the expansion of the athletic department, but the
success level across the board this year was outstanding up
in Tigertown.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, it really really was. And you know a lot
of people put that stuff about the major sports too.
I think Clemson, Tennessee and Mississippi were the only three
to be in the final Top twenty five football, basketball,
and baseball, and all three also had softball. So yeah,
it was really a good all around year for Clemson.

(44:36):
Quite frankly, we wish we'd have done a little bit
better in the postseason. Obviously, had great regular seasons and
a lot of a lot of the sports, I guess
you could play. Softball did the best postseason out of
all of our sports. But and I did see the
Seiars Director's Cup came out, we were only forty seven,

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and that that's a hard thing for Clemson to do
well because they don't have as many sports as a
lot of the others. Do you know? Still at Stanford,
how about this for a stud every year they've had
this years Director's Cup, which I think is almost thirty
years old, they finished first or second every year. Wow,
that is pretty remarkable. But then again they've got like
thirty sports, so that's got something to do it.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, no, that's incredible. And again I think when you
look at it a year ago, when the ACC kickoff's
taking place and you've got Stanford and Cal coming across
the country and SMU sort of coming halfway across the country,
it raises your eyebrows and to a degree it still does.
But you know, when I was doing some research on

(45:40):
like baseball programs with national championships and things of that nature,
you start to have to throw like cal into that
conversation and so on and so forth. They do you
know whether or not geographically they fit. I would say
that those schools athletically, probably across the board, fit the
profile of what the a c C would want as

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far as boosting the success in all sports.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, absolutely, you're you're correct, especially as I just said
about about Stanford Day that pen out standing across across
all the sports and account. Stanford didn't do as well
in the revenue sports this year, but they've they've had
great seasons in those sports two over the years, but
certainly in all the Olympic sports they've been right there.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Tim Bray again, you can follow them on Twitter at
Tim Bray and Tim Obviously the attention of the college
football world. As we flipped to July, the next time
you and I jump on the on the phone together,
you know, it'll be almost feeling like we're getting warmed
up for football season. Talking season will be getting closer

(46:50):
and closer, and the expectations for Clemson this year. You
and I have really touched on it. Are are really
through the roof We went through and kind of broke
down what I thought were the best hires that Dabosweeny
has made during his tenure at Clemson. And obviously there
are some along the way, like maybe Chad Morris. If
he doesn't make him and it doesn't work out, none

(47:11):
of these other ones take place. So maybe Chad gets
a little bump. But when you think about some of
the guys that he's brought in on the defensive side
of the ball, while there's so much attention to the
offense this year, I think, maybe kind of quietly in
some respects, Tom Allen's hiring may go along to may
end up being one of perhaps another turning points, so

(47:33):
to speak, for Dabosweny in this program in a sense
of getting that defense back to where it once was.
I mean, when you look at him, what do you
expect in year one? I mean, sometimes there's a growth
curve that we allow for the offense with Garrett Riley.
I don't think that fans have that same feeling about
Tom Allen. But what do you expect to see from
Tom Allen this year at Clemson.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, I certainly think we have a chance to have
a terrific defense. And he's got a great, a great resume,
a lot of terrific experience, and I think he's got
a good, you know, list of players, and we've got
eight starters back, you know, many of them I think
are going to have a chance to be among the
best in their position in the in the country. I

(48:16):
think Namy Brown had a great year last year. Ever
shoed to tackle every five plays, which was top ten
in clinchon history and tackles per play. I think he's
going to see him improve even even more. I think, sure,
we're going to miss Barrett Carter, but uh, you know
Terrell and the corner back and then you got Peter

(48:36):
Woods and Parker up front. Cape Hard I think is
uh that's a that was a great decision for Clench's
program for him to come back, and and you know,
I've looked at the health kids bio at Purdue, and
he was very productive at Purdue, even if Purdue wasn't
very good, you know, he he had a terrific, you know,

(48:57):
terrific season last year. So yeah, I think I think
the defense is a chance to be uh, to be
be very good. There's always a little bit of a
learning curve, you know when you think about the reaction
time that a defensive player has, that there has to
be some degree of what you're supposed to be. Where
you're supposed to be has to be instinctive, and you

(49:18):
get to an instinctive state by repetition and you know,
playing within the system. So yeah, there might be a
few hiccups early in the season, but I really expected
to break things from the defense too.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Again, Tim Brey's on Twitter at tim Beray the other
thing too, and I think might be a valuable piece
for Dablos Sweeney, especially with Tom Allen, and you kind
of look at the success that Matt Luke's already had.
Is the fact that those guys have not just head
coaching experience collegiately, but power for coaching experience collegiately. And

(49:58):
what it could mean for some body like Dabo Sweeney,
you know, in the era is shifting, right, like we've
got what general managers of college football teams now. It's
kind of weird to even think through it like that,
but in a lot of respect, the more guys that
you can have who have kind of sat in your
seat in this day and age, probably a huge benefit,
I would imagine.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, I would think so. The bit of the ironic
part of that was Dabbo was never a coordinator before
he became the before he became the bad coach. So
actually Dabo had never sat in the seat that the
coordinators are sitting in. He's done an awful lot, you know,
since then. And you know, they've been a lot of

(50:44):
things written there for a while about Dabbo hiring Calumber
players and all that. But you got to remember that, uh,
you know, the last two national champions the two national
championships that we've won under Dabbo, and that's the six
final fours, the coordinators were former Clemston players and that

(51:09):
he coached so well, I guess he didn't coach Coach Scott.
But but anyway, people that were elevated from the staffs, right,
we've had success, you know, be doing it both getting
people from the outside and and and promoting, you know,
promoting within a lot of it has to do with this,
whether they're good coaches or not, whether they came from
within or came from without.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Well, and I actually put Jeff Scott and Toni Ellie
at number two on my list of the best hires
dabos when he made and I kind of put him
in a combo role because it was really, you know,
their advancement. I thought to the role of co offensive coordinators.
That decision. When you look back on on that alone,

(51:53):
Tim when Clemson came out and beat Oklahoma forty to
six in that Russell Athletic Bowl, especially with Cole Stout
being the quarterback in that moment, that was when I
think most people, if you had questions about the thought
process behind Dabo Sweeney's decision, I think most people looked
at it in that moment and went a, maybe this

(52:15):
guy knows what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, you're right, And I think, you know, I think Dabbo,
I mean, after one thing I've always I learned from
working with him so closely obvious year, he got a
sixth stint about just about everything, whether it ben with
dealing with the media, or whether it be picking coaches,
whether there be coaches that he hired from outside or

(52:39):
coaches that he had from me in or just all
the aspects of the of the program. And uh and
and so I just think you got to you know,
trust him in that in that regard, and I think
these recent hires that he's had have have been been terrific.
Now he's kind of on a lot of hiring people

(53:01):
from outside the program as supposed to inside the program,
but he's been successful to.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
The both place well.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
And the irony of that too, I would say, is
that it's kind of the kind of the Terry Don
Phillips sixth sense, because Terry Don Phillips had the sixth
sense to say, you know what, Dabo, you're you're the
you know, you're the interim head coach in that moment
when Clemson decides to part ways with with Tommy Balden

(53:27):
and just to think about the you know, the decisions
that we make and the impact it could have. I mean,
if Terry Don Phillips goes another direction at that point,
Dabo Sweeney who tells the story famously about what he's
in the middle of building a house, uh or was
that prior to that when he's building the house and
maybe he's out of a job, but anyway, you just

(53:48):
think about it's like how quickly things turned on a
dime for the program just by that one move by
Terry Don Phillips. I know he's still kind of around
the area. Do you ever see Terry Donn? And you know,
how much credit does he really deserve for where this
program is right now?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Interesting yet to bring that out because I'm actually in
the middle of a research project that I've not finished yet,
so I can't interview a definitive answer. But obviously we
are in a situation now where we have Dabbos are
all time winning his football coach, and Brad Brunnels are
all time winning his basketball coach. He hired both of them,

(54:30):
and interesting to note one he promoted from within and
one he brought in from outside, and I'm pretty sure
I haven't found anybody yet. It was also to that
he's the only athletic director to hire both their winning
his football coach and they're winning his basketball coach at
this current state at their respective school. And I'm not

(54:53):
counting to pending people who are just active athletic directors.
I'm talking even the even the retired one. So you
know that was certainly a feather in his cap, and
you know you can make your case those are two
of the most important hires that Clumps has made in
those respective sports and what the coaches have gone on

(55:14):
to do.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And not only that, but now what two athletic directors.
I don't know if you would say two athletic directors removed,
but I mean you certainly had Dan Radykovic after Terry
Don Phillips and now Graham Nef So I mean that's
kind of amazing in and of itself that not only
have those hires worked out, but the guys so far
have not had to rehire anybody in that regard. So

(55:37):
kudos to Terry done.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, you're exactly right. Yeah, that's another thing. I don't
know if there's any other school that currently has a
football coach and a basketball coach who have both been
there for fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Now. How is Terry Don Phillips. Have you seen him
recently or taught to him.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, I've seen him come to lunch once in a
while with his life and he's he's doing well. It's
always good to see him and always got a smile
on his face. So but yeah, he's doing fine.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Tim berat with this here on the program. So Tim,
let's turn our attention to Chris Benson. It was announced
earlier this week that he's going to be inducted into
the National Collegiate Baseball Hall of Fame. Chris was a
pitcher at Clemson when I when I was there, along
with Billy Kotch. Those two guys were drafted, I think
one in four in the Major League Baseball Draft. And
some might argue that that team that you know, the

(56:32):
ninety six team might be one that kind of led
an opportunity to win a national championship slipped through their fingers.
But give us some insight into Chris Benson, his timeline
at Clemson and the type picture that he was from
your perspective watching him back in the day.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah, he was a dominant a pitcher that I can remember,
maybe had two hundred and eighth strikeouts in nineteen ninety six.
At last year, you know, didn't IRE's that highly recruited,
but had a solid freshman year and then his sophomore
and then his junior year. He really was the terrific.

(57:10):
I think he was fourteen and two his last year,
and I think he lost both games in the College
World Series to Miami if I'm not mistaken. But you know,
other than that, he had had a perfect record, and
I think he is what was strike out the Walker
issue was like eight to one or ninety one something
like that. Still a still a Clemson record, But yeah,

(57:30):
he was the National Player of the Year, the number
one pick of the draft, and just a terrific, terrific
player for US.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
He'll joined Rusty Atkins and legendary Clemson baseball coach Bill
Wilhelm as College Baseball Hall of Famers and also back
then for Clemson pitching Billy Kotch too. To have two
guys that profiled so highly for the major leagues there
on that Clemson roster. You know, I think in this

(58:01):
day and age, you certainly look at players across the country,
not many teams have that type of talent on their
pitching staff at the same time, I mean, that's pretty remarkable.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, we had a third guy too, Ken Weining, who
was as a terrific pitcher. I think he went on
the pitch in the Major League for a little bit too.
So yeah, we had quite a one two three combination
and probably the best starting three, you know, since I've
been at Clemson. So yeah, Billy Kotch was kind of

(58:36):
a nice of course, he was more out of the
bullpen most of his career, and certainly that way in
the major leagues. I think he had forty saves one
year in the major leagues. Yeah, but yeah, that was
that was That was quite a staff.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, he did a great job as a reliever in
the majors. Again, Tim Ray with his final thing, Tim,
I had about a text me, we'll keep it with
baseball real quick. There was a former Clemson pitcher. Do
you know this story? Do you know the story about
former Clemson picture Matt Matt White? Have you heard this story?

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Okay, So Matt White, Yeah, you can look this up.
So Matt White was a Clemson picture that I remember.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Might still remember a specific story bout it.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Okay. So he bought some land from his his aunt,
great aunt or something for fifty thousand dollars, Tim. They
ended up discovering two point five billion dollars in minerals
on the property that he bought in Massachusetts. And ESPN
actually covered this several years ago. Maybe maybe I don't know,

(59:41):
fifteen years or so ago. But have you ever heard
the story of Matt White and the two point five
billion dollar mine that he found in his great aunt's backyard?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Basically, no, I haven't, And if if that is true.
Why do we not have a twenty five thousand seat stadium? Matt?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, I was gonna say, why are we not playing
at Matt White Stadium?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Two and a half two point five billion dollars was
what the estimated.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
I'm gonna google that when we hang up here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Get on it, Get on it, Tim, Hey, there you go.
It'll be the Matt White Stadium. Brought to you by
Clympson Sports Talking. Timberray, I like it, like where you're psyching.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yes you could sponsor.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yes, Tim, have a great weekend. Thank you so much
for hanging out with us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
You too, lot, and take care.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Hey we kind of stumped Tim. I'm feeling feeling good. Yeah,
Matt White? Did I tell you all this story? A
journeyman pitcher trying to make his way with the Los
Angeles Dodgers. This article came back at seven could become
baseball's first billionaire player. This is back in O seven.
He bought fifty acres of land from an elderly aunt

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for fifty thousand dollars that she needed money to pay
for a nursing home. Well clearing out the acreage to
build a home, he discovered stone ledges in the ground,
and he had the property surveyed and a geologist estimated
there were twenty four million tons of this stone on
his land. The stone is being sold for upwards of
one hundred dollars per ton, meaning that there's well over

(01:01:19):
two billion dollars worth of material used for Patio's sidewalks
and the like. White said, it sounds bogus he was
seeing those numbers. I'm just a small town guy trying
to get to the big leagues. It's beyond comprehension. The
title of the article kudos ESPN for this rock star Dodgers.
White could be a billionaire. So there you go. We

(01:01:42):
stumped Tim Berey put calend Put that in your calendar, folks,
six twenty six, twenty five. The Swanne stumped him for
the first time. But Tim, Tim's gonna look it up.
He's gonna learn about it. And I like the idea
Matt White Stadium. There we go. All right, We'll be
back with more Clempson sportsaw right here on Fox Sports
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are the website clemsonsports talk dot com. So back to
the drawing board for the Clemson Tigers at running back
in terms of the twenty twenty six recruiting class. Now,

(01:02:26):
they haven't offered a whole lot. I think just three
offers so far. Carson Baker, Jay Lamar, and Jamion Mallory
were the three guys I believe that received offers, but
Jay Lamar yesterday picking the George Bulldogs over Clemson and

(01:02:47):
other schools. The big problem that you have here is, well,
a couple of things. First off, there are other players
at running back that you've been somewhat interested in, but
you didn't pull the trigger, and those guys have committed elsewhere. CJ.

(01:03:10):
Givers is a three star prospect who's committed to the
Duke Blue Devils. Carson Baker, who you did offer, committed
to Florida back on June thirteenth. Jay La Mar again
committed to Georgia yesterday June twenty fifth. Javon Mallory four star,

(01:03:34):
committed to Miami on March twenty second. Jaylen McGill four
star prospect committed to North Carolina after being previously committed.
He's kid from Spartanburg, Remember, after being previously committed to Rutgers.
He flipped his commitment to North Carolina on April the seventeenth.

(01:03:57):
Johnas Walton committed to Notre Dame on June twenty first.
kJ Edwards are running back committed to Texas A and
m I Believe on June the seventeenth, and Caden Jones
running back committed to Oklahoma State back in February, meaning

(01:04:21):
that guys that you perceive to be maybe priority targets,
et cetera, aren't gonna be in Tigertown unless they flip
their commitment. The only other name out there you're really
not involved with is Sabon Hyder. Hiders are running back

(01:04:42):
from Virginia and the nation's number one running back. A
lot of people feel like the Ohio State Buckeyes have
a slight edge there over Hyder. Hyder carry is a
ninety seven point six y five rating, And yeah, yeah,
I think we talk about this a lot. Right, Like culture,

(01:05:02):
you want to have the right guys in place, you
want to make sure you're bringing in the right players.
But it feels like Clemson's putting a ton of eggs
in the basket of the running backs that are currently
on campus. And it's okay to do that, but you
do feel like, given the attrition that you have at

(01:05:24):
the position on a fairly consistent basis, that you've got
to you've got to at least bring one guy in. Now,
maybe this ends up being a three star prospect, it's
a little too late in the game to start trying
to navigate some of those higher tier prospects. One thing

(01:05:47):
we did find out though, speaking of running backs, Marquise Henderson,
who was kind of a project a running back for sure,
but likely going to like, you know, wide receiver. He's
kind of one of those athletes at the collegiate level.

(01:06:08):
Of course, he was dismissed from Clemson last week. The
proximately dot of Belton Honeypath tweeted out yesterday that he
will be making his way to Liberty. That news coming
out yesterday afternoon. And I'm sure most of you, like me,

(01:06:30):
certainly wish him nothing but the best as he looks
to continue in further his career at the collegiate level.
But we put an article together less than a month
and Ago less than a month ago talking about CJ.

(01:06:50):
Spiller and the pressure that we feel currently exists on Spiller.
And I think the thing that is most notable about
is I don't believe that it's a scenario where CJ.

(01:07:12):
Spiller would be fired, but he would be promoted to
a different spot. And it does feel like the eggs
are in the basket of freshman Gideon Davidson. Now, some
people guests on this program, including Facts and Childress saying
multiple times that he thinks Adam Randall might be a

(01:07:34):
bit of a wildcard. It may very well be the
early starter for Clemson out of the position Jay Haynes
recovering from an injury. I think it is safe to
say that Jarvis Green and Keith Adams Junior are just
kind of gonna be average type players. I mean, look,
Dabo swing is gonna make them all. You're gonna think
when dabos swing he gets asked about these guys that

(01:07:57):
hershall walker every single one of them, you know. But
for me, there's a lot of question marks. And again
with the offer board looking the way it looks, and
the limited amount of time to really make up that

(01:08:19):
gap and find somebody that says, yeah, you know what,
I'll come play Now. There's plenty of there's plenty of
names out there, but Clemson hasn't traditionally played the flip
flop game where they've gone out and tried to, you know,
convince somebody to come in. Now, are there other options

(01:08:41):
available at the end of this season, most certainly the
transfer portal. Clemson's already shown that they're willing to use
it in that regard. But at this point, for CJ.
Spiller and this Clemson Tiger running back room, the twenty
twenty sixth class is devoid of a commit And again,

(01:09:07):
it's not too late in the game to find that
player or that prospect, but it does feel pretty ominous
that there's not much positive movement from that room at
this point. Sticking with running, but this time shifting to
the Olympic aspects of it. Faith Kippie Young attempting to

(01:09:31):
run a sub for minute mile, the first female to
ever do it. We'll tell you how she did today
in an exclusive event on Nike's YouTube channel Stay with Us.
Back at It on a Thursday, So women's track and
field the mile. There has never been a woman run

(01:09:52):
a subfour minute mile. But today in Paris, in a
special event sanctioned by Nike, Faith Kikkigon attempted to become
the first woman to run a sub four minute mile
and I've always been a little bit fascinated by it
and Tonike's credit, they put this on their own YouTube channel.

(01:10:13):
She was paced by other individuals, meaning they had some
other long distance runners out there, including some males, alongside
her to help her keep paced to try to run
that sub four minute mile, which would be quite the accomplishment. Now,
prior to today's race, the fastest women's time was held

(01:10:40):
by Keep You Going, as she ran a four minute,
seven second point sixty four time back in twenty twenty three,
and they had some really cool setups with this event.
First off, there was a paceline that gave her insight

(01:11:02):
into how she was doing versus the four minute record.
So what they basically did was they had some led
lights down to the inside portion of the track that
she could see as she was running, and those lights
would indicate where you need to be in order to
be running on pace to set that mark. Now, I

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could argue that having thirteen people out there on the
course may have been a bit of an issue I
almost feel like maybe just three people that were out
there with her, especially not running in her lane, but
they were attempting, I guess, to kind of make it
feel a little bit more realistic, but was really neat

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was watching that pacing bar, and they could certainly do
this digitally as well during the next Olympics, where you
could see where someone would have to be in order
to be ahead of the world record pace or on it. Now,
unfortunately she was able to lower or I guess fortunately

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she was able to lower the record, but she was
not able to break the four minute mile, finishing with
a four minute and six seconds, so shaving off about
a second four six ninety one, so shaving off a
little less than a second off of the world record time,

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but still not able to eclipse that four minute mile
and push under to three point fifty nine. What I
did realize though watching it, is that the green pace
bar the back end of that was her old time.
So as long as she was ahead of the green,
she was setting a new mark. And I'll be honest,
I think that's a great way to drive the competition

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because you know, if you think about like the the
records are broken and I've often wondered, have we seen
the fastest one hundred meter time We're ever gonna see?
With Ussein Bolts nine point five eight, which is the
current mark set back in two thousand and nine, it

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feels like, I mean, there's gonna be a number, right,
There's gonna be a number that you can't beat. But
there was a time where there was this mythical barrier
that existed for men, and it wasn't until Roger Banister
ran a sub four minute mile back in nineteen fifty

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four that people thought you would die. Like that was
kind of the thing of you if you if you
do that, you'll die. As of June twenty twenty two,
so three years ago, the four minute barrier has been
broken by seventeen hundred and fifty five athletes, and the
world record time is currently held by a Moroccan hitch

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them el Goarg who back in nineteen ninety nine ran
a three minute forty three second mile three minutes and
forty three seconds. And so I think if you think

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about like the pace and all the changes to technology
that we have, even if we limit things like performance
enhancing drugs in the sport, I think we still can

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acknowledge that technology helps you. So like back in the
day when you would play Mario Kart, all right, one
of the great features of Mario Kart was when you
set the record on a course, it would then create

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that what you'd call your ghost, and you would see
that race that you ran and you would know, okay,
can I take advantage in this area and trim the time,
And so my college roommates and I you'd constantly be
trimming that time down. Well, there's a mental aspect of

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knowing how you're doing that I think can help you. Now,
it can also hurt you because if you fall well
behind your mark. I can remember many times racing that ghost,
I'd go to the first or second turn and you
would know there's not enough time to catch up because
I ran almost a perfect race previously. But when you

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have that green light allowing you to know that, hey,
this you are at an advantage over your previous time.
Whether that green light was presenting her a second advantage
over her previous time or what, I don't know, But honestly,
to get under that four minute mile for her, I
and again I don't know if it's physically possible for

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her to do at this point, I don't know if
she'll be the one that they'll ever break it, but
the knowledge of where that is to me would help,
and maybe she did know. Maybe I don't understand enough
about how those lights work today, but the knowledge of
where that line is in that final lap or final

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lap and a half, that might be enough to push
somebody over the edge where they're chasing that line and
then go set that mark. As a female, it's gonna happen.
Watching her run, I think it's gonna happen for sure.
I mean six seconds off, but pretty cool and Nike
to put that together with everything else. I found out

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doing some research that the pacers, the other individuals that
are out there, are also out there to reduce the wind,
which is kind of that makes sense because that's realistic
for the Olympics as well. All right, quick break, we'll
put a ball on the show right after this.

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Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture, don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer to the questions
what have you done for me lately? And what have
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Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Final segment on a Thursday afternoon, the Show that Shakes
the south Land, Clemson Sports Talks. I was looking at
the history of the four minute mile world record. The
original world record, I believe, was held by John Paul Jones,
set on May thirty first, nineteen thirteen, four minutes in
twenty eight seconds. Of course, today the number that Faith

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put up was well under that at four minutes and
six seconds s. It's of change, as a matter of fact,
looking at how that number trimmed its way down from
the first four minute a mile, which was run by
Roger Banister three fifty nine point four. A couple of
months later, John Landy from Australia ran a three fifty

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eight flat, and then in nineteen fifty seven Derrek Ibotsen
ran a three fifty seven point two, and then the
following year Herb Elliott ran a three fifty four point five.
And so that goes to show you that once somebody

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kicks that door in, and you have this feeling that
when a female finally kicks in that four minute door,
someone else will run a three fifty eight like it's
gonna it's gonna happen. It's going to happen. Because you
can see after after you know, time after time after time.

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Fifty seven the record set fifty eight sixty two sixty five.
This is the men's record, dropping sixty six sixty seven
in nineteen seventy five, it was at three minutes forty
nine point four. Since then, we've trimmed off another six
seconds or so all the way to that record setting

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mark in nineteen ninety nine of three forty three point
one point three, which is the current men's world record.
The women's world record was first set at four minutes
and thirty seven seconds back on May twenty ninth, nineteen

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fifty four, which means at that time the men were
running about thirty seven seconds faster than the women. Now
that number has narrowed over the years, and in fact,
currently with the new number that Faith Kipigon put up today,

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we are at the smallest gap that has ever existed
between the men's and women's mark, which is around twenty
three some odd seconds. So the question now becomes for females,

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can they close that gap that was originally thirty seven
point one seconds back in nineteen fifty four? Can they
close that gap by about twenty total seconds over the
course of the years right, like they got to get
down to like seventeen seconds in order to get that

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sub four minute mile. I think it'll happen. The more
I look at the numbers, I think it's going to happen.
The biggest problem I see right now for everybody's that
men's record has been around since nineteen ninety nine. I
mean that's a quarter of a century. You know, I

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can look at I can stare down Hussein Bolts one
hundred meter mark forever, and we can talk about how
impressive it certainly is. But the men's mile three forty
three thirteen standing for twenty some odd years, and people

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are close to it. I know there was an indoor
mile run this year that was three forty five. The
fastest outdoor mile this year was three forty five point
three four, which means there are there are guys that
are close. But fathom you just think for a moment

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about how much you train and how much you do
everything you can do. It's chasing that ghost, man, it's
chasing that ghost. It's not your ghost at this point either,
but it's chasing a number that every single thing that
you do along the path influences the difference in becoming

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a world record holder or just one of the fastest
individuals to run a mile in the history of the Earth.
I'm also flabbergasted sometimes, like at the Olympics, after they'll
run the one hundred meters and things like that, they'll
pop up and they'll put up a thing that says,
look at this, every all ten of these guys would

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have set a world record in nineteen ninety four or
what you know what I mean. It's always cool when
they give you that type of dynamic. And I think
the other thing that would be neat would be to
take talk about racing the ghosts, right, if they could
figure out a way to use technology to create the

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ghost at least for the those of us watching at
home of the world record runner, kind of like they
do with the combine, but create like a hologram, even
if it's not the actual race that that person ran,
but for us on television, let us see a hologram
that the individual is running against. That would be pretty cool.
All right, we gotta get out of here. We'll be
back tomorrow four o'clock and so then, as always, y'all

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take care now and goat tigers.