AI notebook hack, proving you’re human online & one phone for work and personal (130, July 19, 2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mercedes lets you take video calls in your car. Nest
and Peacock are raising prices, Apple launches an emoji puzzle game.
Plus your tech questions answered. What's going on? I'm Rich
Demiro and this is Rich on Tech. This is the
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the notes. Guests. This week we've we've got Adrian Ludwig,
chief architect at Tools for Humanity. They're gonna explain how

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World Network is building a more private and secure way
to prove that you are human online and why that matters.
Then later in the show, we've got Logan Seacrest, fellow
at the r. Street Institute to discuss how AI is
being used in police body cameras. Well. I hope you're
having a fantastic weekend. We are well into the summer,

(01:29):
the kids are off from school. In fact, I've got
them right here with me, my kids joining me in
the studio. I guess they can't really say high because
they're not can you say high?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Or the hello?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh there you go? Okay, we've got Parker. Go ahead, Tanner.
We've got Parker and Tanner in the studio. Very exciting.
Tanner is actually in charge of this week's playlist, so
direct all comments about the songs to him. This week,
I've been testing Samsung's new foldable phones, so I've been
playing with the Flip seven and the Fold seven. I

(02:01):
also tried my first ever Wiener Schnitzel. If you've ever
heard of that. It's a Southern California I guess they
started in Southern California chain hot dog chain, and I
did try the chili cheese dog there, and well there
was a reason for it. They're using AI at the
drive through. So that's why I was there, not just
because I'm telling you that. I also shot that on
the Fold seven so you can see that picture. I

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posted that picture to my Facebook not knowing you know,
what people would think about it, and the thing like
goes viral. It's like just a hot dog. Who would
have thought. Also, this week, I've been playing a lot
with Gemini because Gemini is built into the Samsung phones.
So I will tell you I am very impressed with Gemini.
There is a lot that that AI can do, especially

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because of the Google integration. But I will tell you
at one point I did try to replace my old
favorite CHATCHBT with Gemini for everything, and I'll be honest,
I couldn't. Chatchibt still feels faster and more intuitive, like
just feels like a superhuman companion to me, whereas Gemini
really shines with like tech, current news, and also pulling

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from your Gmail, your calendar, your drive, all of your
Google services. And I'll get into why that's so important
in a moment. But then my thoughts on these foldables
from Samsung, so number one, the fold seven, like I
said earlier, finally has a usable front screen, very practical.
But here's the thing. I'm using this phone which opens

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up like a book, and it's great, but I just
don't understand why I need a tablet in my pocket
at all times. Maybe I just don't have the use
case scenario. I love to read things on my phone.
I like to watch videos on my phone, But I'm
not sure why I need to carry a phone that
is not as good as a standard phone at all times.
Just for those couple of times when I need a tablet,
I'd rather just carry a tablet. Now, the Flip seven,

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this is the one that opens up like a clamshell,
I will tell you is much more appealing. And why
because you can use the rear cameras for all of
your photos and videos. What does that mean? You're always
taking your photos and videos, including your selfies, with the
best cameras on that device, because you can use the
front screen as a monitor. So right now we record

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the first ten minutes of the show to be played
on KTLA plus, the streaming app, And right now I
can actually see myself I'm waving in the front screen
of the Flip seven, which is really cool, and so
that makes it actually very useful. It's perfect for content creators.
But here's my question. Would that be enough for the
average iPhone user to switch? I'm not sure I'm just

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giving you a grab bag this morning. You're getting a
whole bunch of stuff. I also watched a movie on
Prime called Heads of State, which I started on my
way back from London, and I finished it last night,
and I got to tell you, if you have Prime Video,
fun action packed way better than I expected. And I
got to say, Prime Video might be my favorite streaming
service right now, just because I can load it up

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on as many apps and devices that I'm testing and
it doesn't say sorry, you can't watch stuff like Netflix.
I don't even install my devices anymore because too many
people in my family are using it and so I,
the one who pays for it, can't use it. Also, ironically,
when I was in London, they had Marine one on
the waterfront there and that was a promo for the

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Heads of State film, So I never even heard of
it until I saw that, and that's what made me
watch it all right. So this week I got very
obsessed with this idea of building an AI powered notebook,
and because I was using Gemini, because I had Gemini
on my wrist with the Samsung Watch, I was like,
I wonder if I can capture ideas quote gift ideas,

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the funny things my kids say all in this notebook
that could be searchable later, and I figured out through
the magic of Gemini and Google Keep, you can do
this and it's basically free. So think about this. You're
out and about. You want your phone to remember something,
you want this notebook to remember something. All you have
to do is say to Gemini, you know, hey, Google,

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take a note that my locker code is twelve twenty
five thirty two, and it will make a note in
Google Keep and remember that. And then later all you
have to do is say, you know, hey Gemini or
hey Google, check my notes for my locker code, and
it will go into those notes and search and read
it back to you and say, here's your locker code. Now,

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think about the powerful nature of that. You can use
that to build a basically a memory system for anything
that you're coming across in your week. And I'm sure
you probably already email yourself little notes or write down
little notes in your phone, but to have it all
voice activated is very powerful. And the fact that it's
AI makes it very useful because it doesn't have to

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be the perfect syntax like most of us with voice
commands in the past, you had to know how to
use them. And with this, because it's AI, it can
really understand and a whole lot of things. So, for instance,
I've got notes about people that I meet right like,
I might say, remember that this person's name or this
person's spouse's name is, you know whatever. Remember that their

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kids are four and seven and one of them goes
to this school and one of them likes this. Oh,
remember that I want to get a gift for that
person for Christmas, and it's going to be this. And
so you can ask Gemini later, Hey, tell me everything
I know about that person and say the person's name,
and it will give you a synopsis of everything that
you've put in your notes. Now, I've done this with

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my kids with the little funny things they say. And
so I've got all these little quotes throughout the years
that my kids have said, and I could just ask
jem and I hate Gemini check my notes and tell
me some of the funny things my kids have said
over the years, and it will just rattle off a
bunch of those things. So again, this works with Google Calendar,
Gmail photos, drive tasks, and the trick is if you okay,

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So here's the thing I've realized about this whole system
with the AI, AI is always going to default to
sort of like the whole world at large. Like if
you said, you know, what's the capital of Utah, it
would just search the web and find that for you,
or search it knowledge base. But if you wanted your
personal data, you have to preface it with check my

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calendar for when I'm going to Utah, or check my
Gmail for information I have gotten about Utah, or check
my photos for the best picture I've taken in Utah.
That's how you get it to look into your data.
It's a very important differentiation because if you just say
what's my locker code, Gemini is not going to know.

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You have to say, check my notes for my locker code.
And that's really the trick. So my homework for you
is to start adding a few notes to Google Keep,
gift ideas, favorite places you've been, whatever you want, and
then just start getting into the habit of asking Gemini
to retrieve that information or see And by the way,
you can paste information into Google Keep as well. You

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don't have to use your voice to save it all.
You can actually go on on your computer. Like the
other day, I just dumped a whole bunch of notes
into there so that I can retrieve them later. And
this is I feel like this is really powerful. It
kind of reminds me of what Apple promised us with Siri,
because when Siri, the AI version of Siri, was supposed

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to come out this Apple Intelligence, Apple on stage promised
us the ability to search in our email, to search
in our calendar, to search in our notes, to use
all of that rich data that's on our iPhone and
have it at our fingertips, all indexed and searchable and
available through AI. That never came to fruition on the iPhone,

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and Apple has admitted that it's been tougher than they
thought to do this, and it's probably going to be
delayed in the next year or so. But you can
have this right now. And so I'm just telling you
Gemini plus all the Google stuff that you're already using.
And by the way, this works on the iPhone, this
works on Android. This is platform agnostic. It's a little

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bit easier to access on Android because your power button
calls up Gemini instantly, but on the iPhone, you can
activate Gemini through the app, through a widget, or through
the action button. As well, so really really cool system.
I am loving it, and I feel like I am
a little bit more superhuman because of what I've created here,
and I'm just gonna keep this going. All right, Let's

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take some of your calls eight eight eight rich one
oh one eight eight eight seven four to two four
one zero one. That's the phone line that'll get you
into Kim. We've got Parker, We've got Tanner, We've got Bobo.
We've got a full house here in the rich On
Tech Studio, and we'll have some of your calls coming
up next. Welcome back to rich On Tech. Rich DeMuro

(10:50):
here hanging out with you, talking technology at triple eight
rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four
to two four one zero one one. You ever start
watching a movie and just like can care less about it?
This has happened to me, Like last night, sit down,
I watch this movie called Drop. It's like it's literally
a movie about air drop, like murdering someone like through

(11:14):
air drop. Like what I don't know. I mean, maybe
I should have given it more time, but I it's
like when you're like forty minutes into a movie and
you don't care about the people in the movie. You
don't care what happens in the movie. It's like, you
gotta give up on the movie. I don't know how
this is the number one movie right now on streaming.
I'm convinced that people stream whatever's on that top ten list,

(11:36):
no matter how bad it is. Although this does get
eighty four percent of Rotten Tomatoes, so maybe I have
to give it another chance. But the whole movie takes
place in one place and this girl is getting like
air drops that are like threatening her life, and it's like,
come on, really, it just it was so unrealistic there.
It's just I don't know. I really I couldn't get
into it. But if you like it, let me know

(11:57):
you can. You can challenge me on the website. Rich
on Tech TV. All right, let's go to our first
caller line one, Tanner Brian. You're on with Rich.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Hey, Rich, nice to hear you same.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
What can I help you with?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I have Okay, let me give you a little background.
I have an iPhone sixteen E okay, and I have
a new Abama phone. The company is called Max West.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Okay, I cannot transfer.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I was able to transfer some of my information from
the the iPhone to this phone. But it won't do
any photos. I'm gonna lose my photos.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Okay, So you're trying to get the photos from the
iPhone to this This is an Android phone, I'm guessing right.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Okay, yeah, it's a it's a newer version of the
Obama phone.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay, what did you have a model number on it?
I'm just curious, shoot a model? No it doesn't, I
mean it doesn't. I'm just curious. I looked up the
website Max West. Okay, Max West. It's the first I'm
hearing of this brand. Well, there are many How many
pictures do you have on the iPhone that you want
to transfer?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Like literally like ten?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh? Okay, super super easy. Can you install apps on
the Max West Yes?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
I can.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Okay. So the app that you want to get is
called Local Send l O C A L S E
N D and Mobile Mobile Scent Local Send o Local okay,
Local Scent. And it works across everything. It'll work on
the iPhone, it'll work on Android, it'll work on your

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Mac computer, it'll work on Windows, it'll work on Linux
if you like Linux. Okay. And basically, you install this
app on your iPhone and you install it on the Android,
you open it up. As long as they are on
the same Wi Fi network, they will find each other
and you can transfer.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, that's how I did it. Actually, I was able
to link up. I'm here in Brea, so I was
able to link my phones up at the Bran mall.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Okay, but for some reason it just.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Didn't want to it didn't want to download the photos.
So you said it's called wet again.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Local send is the is the app local okay, localsend
dot org. Now, if you don't want to use local send,
there's another way you can do it. Uh, there's if
you don't want to download software. If that's too complicated,
you can go to what's called pair drop P A
I R D R O P pair drop dot net
and that does not require a software download, same exact thing.

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And so it's it's funny that I mentioned air drop
and that movie drop, because that's basically what I'm talking
about here. These are all just versions of air drop
that work across devices. The big trick is that the
devices have to be on the same network for them
to work. So the way that air drop and why
that's so convenient on the iPhone is that it basically
creates what's called an ad hawk network between those two phones,

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so every single iPhone that's near every other iPhone in
the world can talk to each other without a cellular network.
And so what they do is they say, Oh, I
see another iPhone over there, do you want to connect
directly to that phone. That's really what airdrop is doing.
And the way it's sort of parsing through those other
phones is that you know, nowadays you have to be
connected to that other phone. It used to be a

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lot easier to sort of air drop other people. That's
why they change that setting. If you go into your
air drop settings, you'll notice that now it says everyone
for ten minutes, whereas it used to just say everyone
because people would get on an airplane and they would
air drop random people, pictures and things like that, which
I've done in the past just to be funny. But

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now I wouldn't do that because too many security issues
with that. They've stopped. They've like they've like turned planes
around because of that antics. You can't do that anymore.
But anyway, so these these apps they kind of do
the same thing, except the problem is inherently iPhones do
not speak to androids ad hoc So that means that
iPhone may be able to see that there's an Android nearby,

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and Android can certainly see that there's an iPhone nearby,
but there's not a good protocol for those two phones
to connect and link up the way air drop does
between iPhones. Now, on Android, there is something called quick
Share and that is the same exact thing as air drop,
but that is just for androids. So any Android can
also connect to another Android without any additional software, with

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something called quick Share, and that is built into every
modern Android phone. The thing is, and I'll be honest,
this is an Apple issue. Apple does not want to
open up air drop to androids. Whereas Android would gladly
open up quick Share to iPhone, Apple does not allow that.
That's really what's going on here is that Apple is

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very proprietary with their air drop system and they do
not want to open it up, nor do they want
to make it easy for androids to send things to
the iPhone. So that's how those two apps will get
around it. You gotta be on the same Wi Fi
network local send and pair drop. Check them out, all right?
Coming up, where ring cameras really hacked. I'll explain what's

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going on there, plus more of your calls at eight
eight eight rich one O one eight eight eight seven
four to two four one zero one. This is rich
on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro
here hanging out with you talking technology at triple eight
rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four to
two four one zero one, the website rich on Tech

(17:34):
dot TV. Hope you're having a great day. I am
getting into the summer here. Summer's like halfway through, which
I can't believe. So one thing I love about you, know,
being on TV, being on the radio, is that you
are my eyes and ears. Now I cover a lot
of stuff. I track a lot of stuff, but I
can't see everything in real time all the time. And

(17:56):
that's where you come in. And so when something happens,
when there is something that's bubbling up, I call it
a text message scam that's new, a viral video about
something in the tech world, an email that people are getting.
When a lot of people get that, they turn to
me and they forward that information to me or they
message me and say, hey, rich what's the deal with this?

(18:18):
And sometimes it's really tough because I'm getting it so
early that there's nothing about it. So you can't search
Google News for the information, you can't go anywhere for
the information. It's something that's brand new, and so I
have to use my spidy sense to kind of just
search it and figure it out and say, Okay, what's
going on here. I've gotten five emails about this. Clearly

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this is happening to a lot of people. Well, that's
what happened the other day. I woke up to a
bunch of people saying, Rich, what's the deal with Ring
being hacked? Ring was hacked on May twenty eighth, and
if you log into your account, you can see that
a whole bunch of people logged in to these various accounts.
I said, wait, what that sounds a little weird. And
the reason it sounded weird because Ring has had two

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factor authentication now for four years. They did have an
issue many years ago where people were able to get
into cameras because people were not setting very good passwords.
And so when your password is password one, two, three,
guess what, the hackers are going to figure that out
pretty quickly. And so there was kind of a rash
of nationwide people not necessarily scam artists, but they were

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just kind of having fun with people with their Ring cameras.
You know, they'd log in and they would talk to
the people in their houses, and of course they could
access things. And so Ring tracked it down. They said,
these aren't really hacks per se, but people are just
using really bad passwords that people are guessing or they're
sharing them, or they're the same password online, and so
people were using those to log in. So Ring said,

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you know what, from here on out, everyone must have
two factor authentication. And if you're familiar with what that is,
that means when you log into a website, it doesn't
just log you in. It says, okay, we've texted you
a code or you've emailed you a code. Now you
have to enter that. And so Ring made that the default,
and that cracked down on all of that stuff because
now the hacker would have to have your your silly

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password and access to your email, your text. Well anyway,
so that was in the back of my mind. But
this TikTok user and this you know, these things always
start on TikTok. Somehow, all the best reporters in the
world are some random person talking to their phone in
their basement on TikTok. And that gets that gets spread.

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This video had millions of views. It was some person
that was like, look, go to your Ring account, check
your logins, check your authorized devices. If you see a
May twenty eighth login, someone's been watching your videos. Now
come on. I was like, give me a break, but
we'll hear her out. And she also said she got

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weird creepy texts after people were watching her private conversations
on her Ring camera. That part I couldn't figure out.
I don't know where that came from. But if you
log into your Ring account and you go under the
authorized devices, and you could probably try this. If you
open up your Ring app, go to the left hand side.
You've got those three lines that's your menu. Tap that

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go to control center. Oh, I tapped the wrong thing.
I tapped account settings. Now I can't go back. Okay,
tap the three lines, tap control center, and then you'll
see something that says authorized devices. Okay, authorized client devices.
If I tap there, I've got a whole bunch of
devices that seemingly logged in on May twenty eighth, and

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iPhone seven plus logged in on May twenty eighth, twenty
twenty five. Now I have not used an iPhone seven
in about let's say ten years. So how did that
log in? On May twenty eight, twenty twenty five. So
if you're just a regular person seeing that, after you
watch the TikTok video, you go, oh, my gosh, Ring
was hack. Someone got into my account. Okay, So what
I did? Instead of just spreading this information and you know,

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making everyone one scared about it, I emailed my contact
at RING and I said, hey, can you give me
the information about this? Can you give me what's going
on here? And sure enough they got back to me
within a couple hours and they said, here's the deal,
and here is their statement. We are aware of a
bug that resulted in prior login dates for client devices

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to be incorrectly displayed as May twenty eighth, twenty twenty five,
and device names to be incorrectly displayed as device name
not found. This was a result of a back end
update not caused by unauthorized access to customer accounts. So basically,
the bug made old logins look new, confusing users into
thinking they were hacked. Okay, you can rest easy, but

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of course this is the Internet, and what do you
think happens? The conspiracy theorists start to chime in and say, oh,
come on, Rich Ring is just covering this up. If
you think that millions of Ring cameras are being watched
by someone right now, it's just not happening. It's just
not like this is This is a huge company with
millions of people as customers. Someone would to figure this

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out if this was really happening. So my point is
in all this, when you see stuff online that just
seems crazy and outlandish, of course you should think about
it and process it, but also think about the realistic
nature of it. Let me give you another example before
I get to my conclusion on this. I was, you know,

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I don't really scroll through a lot of TikTok, but
sometimes I do. It just angers me because it's just
it's all so much nonsense and misinformation about especially tech
things one privacy control you should really change. And it's
just like they're giving you these un based facts or
you know, speculation and things that they want you to
do without any actual knowledge. Like when I tell you

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to change a setting, I give you the reason why.
I don't just say, oh, this looks like a bad
setting on your phone, change it without explaining the why.
So one time I was scrolling through and there was
a whole bunch of videos about how if you cut
open an iPhone box there was a secret case for
your iPhone in that box. Now, I have been getting
iPhone for the past, you know, since day one, two

(24:12):
thousand and seven. I don't remember there ever being a
case included in the iPhone. Now some manufacturers do actually
include a case. So what did I do After scrolling
through about fifteen of these videos and seeing fifteen people
open up an iPhone case with an Exacto knife and
finding a plastic case in there, plastic you know, protector

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in there. I went and got an old iPhone case
out of my closet and I said, let me see
what's happening here. And I took an Exacto knife and
I cut it open. And I was sitting there laughing
to myself, going, Rich this is this is not true.
I know this is not true, but maybe it is.
There is a little space inside the iPhone box that
feels like it could have something in there, and I

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opened it up and sure enough, nothing in there. So
what were these people doing on TikTok? They were literally
making this up, like faking it and I just laughed
and I said, Okay, this is why you can't believe
anything you see anymore. So anyway, my solution with this
Ring stuff, it does seem to be a bug unless
someone comes out and proves that it's not. But I

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would say, you can go into your Ring Control center
the list of authorized client devices, and you can go
through and delete all the old devices that have access
to your account, like if you've given you know, if
you've changed phones, if you've switched logins, if you have
a friend or family member that you gave access to,
you can just delete those. Now. For me, as a
tech reporter that has been covering phones for the past

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fifteen years, guess how many phones I have logged into
my Ring account. Probably over one hundred maybe more. And
so I started going through deleting some of these and
it's just it just ten more pop up. It's like
a game of whack themle for me. So that's just
not going to happen. But anyway, I made a video
about this at rich on Tech on Instagram, you can

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check it out. In fact, I made the video because
of the Flip seven, because it's so easy to do
videos on that phone and again, I was talking about
the benefits of the foldable. There has to be a
benefit to a foldable phone for me to want to
use it. Now, the Flip seven, that is an actual
benefit where because you can use those front facing cameras,

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doing a little video like that is super easy. You're
not using the selfie camera. It's like the best camera.
So again, that is what I like about it. Speaking
of foldable phones, Google announced this week that they're made
by Google Hardware. Event has a date August twentieth in
New York City. They will stream it on YouTube. The
funny thing about this event is that it's at the

(26:38):
very similar place to where Samsung just held their event
in Brooklyn. I don't know how that happened, but kind
of weird. So what are we gonna see there? Pixel
ten phones, maybe a new pixel watch, maybe new Pixel buds.
The Pixel ten pro fold might be their first dust
resistant foldable. So right now, these foldable phones, the Samsung's

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just got dust resistance. The Pixel nine Pro fold did not,
so hopefully it'll get dust resistance. Let's see what else
is interesting here. You know, obviously there's gonna be the
standard upgrades to the processor and the cameras pricing, there's
leaked pricing. I hate to get into that because who
knows that will change Pixel four, the watch is expected
to have a bigger battery, and what else. I think

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that's about it for I mean, there's at this point
there's not too many surprises at these events anymore, which
is really sad. There used to always be a surprise
at these events. But now, because of the leaks and
because of you know, the iterative changes on all these smartphones,
they've gotten to a place where they're already so good.
Nobody's sitting there waiting with baited breath saying, oh am,
I gonna upgrade because of this change. No, they're gonna

(27:46):
upgrade when their phone breaks, or when their contract is up,
or when they have the money to upgrade. So it's
become really tough for these phone makers to give us
a reason to upgrade. Apple tried with the whole you
know AI stuff that didn't really work. Google there goes,
you know, the back catalog is so far that you
don't really need to upgrade to get the AI on
that stuff. And then Samsung, I will give credit. They do.

(28:07):
They do try a bunch of stuff to see what
sticks all right eighty to eight rich one O one
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The website for the show rich on Tech dot TV.
Let's see coming up what I want to talk about here, Oh,
Nest is raising prices and so is Peacock. I'll give
you details on that right here. I'm rich on Tech.

(28:32):
Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging
out with you, talking technology at triple eight rich one
O one eight eight eight seven four to two four
one zero one. Let's go to uh Herb and San
Diego Herb, you're on with Rich.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yeah, Rich, I have an older house and the wire
for thee the telephone is the old fashioned uh telephone wires,
and I it to get my home phone through the internet.
And now uh, the wiring has quit again. And the
phone company doesn't want to go up in Miami and

(29:11):
try to do all that, so.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
They have a deal where you put a cell phone
next to your answering machine, and when somebody calls the
cell phone answers it's a cellular cellular call anyway, and
it talks through.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
A to the answer machine through Bluetooth, and so the
answer machine functions and I'm having a lot of problem
with doing that, and I wonder if you know anything
about that. Somebody talked about an anthing machine that had
the tip that allows it to be a straight cell

(29:48):
phone answering machine. Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I I'm a little confused. So I'm trying to tell
me what you're trying to do and maybe I can
come up with a solution.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
So you're trying to sorry, go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So you have a you have a landline phone line,
but it's now it's now voiceover IP, which means is
coming through what your cable company or your phone company.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
It was coming through the phone company, through the the internet.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Got my internet and what's the phone company? I'm sorry,
who's who's the provider?

Speaker 6 (30:18):
Uh at?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Okay? So they gave you a box that basically plugs
into your internet connection and that provides you a phone line.
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (30:29):
That's what That's what it was. Now that has quit
because part of.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
It was old wiring to where the answering machine plugged
into the ball.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
And so you're trying to just have a landline with
an answering machine.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
I figure that's what I wanted as an answering machine.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
And and and their system. Their phone number that they
give you doesn't include voicemail.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
You know, I number got to that, but.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Okay, So what I would do is I would get
in touch with AT and T. I think that this
phone line has built in voicemail. I don't think you
need an external machine to take a call anymore. I
think that this phone line should have voicemail built into it.
And that means that you will just basically pick up
this phone line and somehow either press the number one,

(31:21):
hold down the number one, and that should dial the
voicemail that's built into this line. If it's a standard
AT and T, they call it VoIP, do they do?
They throw that out their voiceover IP.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
They might just call it a you know, digital, They
might call it digital home phone service. It looks like that.
But I'm looking at it. Okay, I'm looking at this here. Okay.
Twenty five features in yeah, okay, twenty five features including voicemail,
caller ID call waiting, call forwarding, three way calling, call blocking,
unlimited long distance in the US, Mexico, Canada, Digital phone

(31:56):
call protect compatible with most alarm meta occult monitoring, and
teletypewriter devices. So I think that if I were you,
how much you paying for this a month?

Speaker 6 (32:10):
Well let's combine with my TV and everything else. But
I'm not sure it's about eighty bucks.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think eighty bucks. Okay, So what I would do
is okay, so calling features. So I'm looking at these
calling features here. There is a way to dial dial
the voicemail on here. Yeah, period is voicemail. So voicemail,
set up an info I'm looking at that set up
voicemail for landline home phone. Oh wow, there's even an

(32:40):
app you can get. Do you have a smartphone? Yeah, okay,
so look at that. You can even you can even
download an app to your smartphone that will that will
give you access to your voicemail. So how cool is that.
It's called the AT and T Voicemail Viewer app. And
so if you want to set up your voicemail number, one,

(33:00):
let's see here dial Star nine to eight. So on
your phone you dial Star nine eight. That will help
you set up your voicemail and then you can listen
to your voicemail by pressing Yeah, this Star nine eight
will access your voicemail. And then I would also download
that app which is again called AT and T voicemail
to text unified messaging. But Herb, I think that it's

(33:24):
funny when we think about these things, you know, these
these systems. Sometimes we have a frame of reference of
the standard or the kind of previous way of doing things,
and sometimes we don't even think about the fact that
there's a new way to do things. And so this
line that you have ninety nine point nine percent sure
has voicemail built in, you don't even need that answering

(33:45):
machine at all. And so I will put a link
to this support article on my website rich on tech
dot TV in the show notes this is episode let
me see here. I think it's one hundred and thirty.
So if you just go right to the website rich
on tech TV, I'll have this link up here. In
a couple of minutes, set up that voicemail and download

(34:05):
that app to your phone, and I think you'll be
able to bring that answering machine to Goodwill and maybe
someone else needs that. But I remember, I mean the
old days of answering machines. Remember you'd be in the house,
you can literally and thanks for the call, or appreciate
that literally back in the day, do you remember, you
would screen your calls by having the person leave a message.

(34:27):
There would be a tiny micro cassette in your answering machine.
You know, you'd everyone be in the house, the phone
would ring, everyone freezes, and you'd all look at the
answering machine and you'd wait for it to pick up,
and you'd wait to see who this person was. This
was before call or ID. This was the funny thing
is before we started ignoring calls, we used to actually
answer calls and give people excuses why we couldn't talk.

(34:51):
Like my parents would make me answer the phone. And
for every business person that ever called my dad sorry
to put you on blast, Dad, it would always be like, oh,
I'm sorry, he's in the shower. I'm sorry, he's not
like they would literally be like this, like they'd be
looking at it and be like, do not, I am
not here right now, like you'd be they'd be making
this motion. And nowadays, it's just it's just when you
think about this stuff, it is so wild how far

(35:13):
we've come. Now we just ignore people. Now we just
literally don't answer the phone. But back in the day,
you'd pick up, you'd be like, oh, I'm sorry, you'd
be looking at your mom. I'm sorry, my mom is
not available. She's just not here right now. My mom
says she's not here. My mom says she's not here,
right You remember this, Bobo, I mean, of course not
doing it. Yeah, I mean this is just funny. We

(35:33):
take for granted how much has changed. But anyway, bottom line,
Oh yeah, people, Oh yeah, so many things, all right
to eighty eight rich one O one eighty eight seven
four to two four one zero one. More rich on
Tech coming your way right after this. Welcome back to
rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you,

(35:53):
talking technology at triple eight rich one oh one eight
eight eight seven four two four one zero one. Hop
on the line. If you have a question about technology,
phone lines are open eight eight eight rich one oh
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(36:14):
Tech dot tv. There you can get show notes to
everything I mentioned, and if you want to follow me
on social media at rich on Tech. At rich on
Tech is where you can find me there. Uh in
is family day here in the studio. I've got my
kids with me. Parker Logan, Parker's here, Tanner.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
Hello, park I mean Tanner here, So do.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
You guys get to play with a lot of tech
at home or what?

Speaker 9 (36:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (36:36):
But I also like playing outside, but I haven't lately
that much because I'm recovering from a toe injury.

Speaker 11 (36:42):
But now it's over, so now I should go.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Back a toe injury. What he like? What is he
like in the NBA and recovering from a toe injury?
Uh huh?

Speaker 8 (36:50):
Okay, Tanner, I mean, I'm just gonna be serious mostly
on my iPad, but I do like going outside and
playing on my shoo.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I think my kids feel guilty about theirs.

Speaker 11 (37:02):
I don't feel guilty.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
That is funny, my kid Actually, Tanner downloaded one of
the apps we talked about on the show. A long
time ago. We interviewed the creator of an app called
be Present, and it's like, basically this app that forces
you to take a break from your iPad. Tell me
how you've used it. It's like there's something called beast mode.
What happens when you turn on beast mode?

Speaker 8 (37:23):
All right, So there's a pro in normal mode, and
the beast mode makes it so you can't turn off
a blocking session, so you can start a blocking session,
and with normal you can always end it, and it
blocks all of your apps, and it shows you your
screen time. And if you have pro mode, you can
turn on beast Mode when you're about to start a

(37:44):
blocking session, which will make well which will still block everything,
but you can't turn it off.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
You can't stop it. I love it like this, So
now I just say to my kid, I go, hey,
why don't you start like an hour of beast Mode?
And he's like he pressed it, like he thinks it's
a challenge. So if you're struggling with your screen time,
check out that be present app, and definitely the beast Mode,
because you can't stop it. Once you put it on,
You're not able to stop the hour or whatever you
set as your time.

Speaker 12 (38:13):
So I just want to say, I wish everybody here
can see the glowing on your face as your kids
sit here and talk about tech. I haven't seen you
smile so hard the entire time we've worked together. I
just get such why I've always see you smile. Boba
has a great smile.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I always, you know, It's like seeing your kids, you know,
come up in this world and kind of become their
own people is really interesting. There's only so much you
can do, Like, there's only so much you can do.
You you have to guide them. I tell them, I said, look,
I can't do everything for you in the future, Like
I'm giving you this base knowledge and these base skills
and also the base kind of like way I think

(38:48):
you should conduct yourselves. Yeah, but at the end of
the day, ninety nine point nine percent of decisions you
make as an adult are solo. Like you're not calling
your parents and asking them.

Speaker 12 (38:57):
I know, yeah, forget, little Bobo will be twenty one
and October twin baby No, no, baby Bobo is here
the next month, So I'm starting all the wait next month,
I mean after number six.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't, Okay, I didn't know if
I if the date was public. No, day's public November six.
You already have a little a little website for a
link tree for she already did.

Speaker 12 (39:18):
She had the baby has an email, So does it
really Brittany already made the baby email and has a
registry and all the Oh my gosh, yeah, he's excited.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
My kids had an email right right at birth. Although
I will tell you the second second kid syndrome Parker.
We signed up for freaking flyer account the day he
was born, because he flew within like two weeks. I
think it was four. I think you had to be four. Tanner.
He's going on eleven and still no freaking flyer account,
even though he's filling so many times in me. But
that's called the second kid. You'll know what that means

(39:49):
in the future. Got a sign him up. Yeah, So
here's the deal. I get a lot of emails from you.
You go to the website, you email me. It's all
day long. And yes, I replied to a lot of them.
I don't get to every one of them, so sometimes
I read them on the show. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes
the combination. But it's funny because every email I get. Now,

(40:10):
I've done technology for a long time, and so to me,
I've got this knowledge base of information just bouncing around
in my head. And when someone emails me and I'm like,
wait a second, is this a joke? Like am I
missing something? Like sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one.
But it's really tough as a tech person because you're
like that just seems too easy. So, for instance, Darren

(40:31):
wrote in and say, hey, Rich big fan and watcher
slash listener, I volunteer for a nonprofit, and we're mentoring
children in Uganda via Zoom. The challenge is that English
is their second language. They speak softly, and they don't
always speak directly into the mic, so it could be
hard to understand them. Is there any tech that could
transcribe what they're saying in real time, like subtitles just

(40:51):
English to English. That would be amazing and really help
us continue our our mission mentoring kids in Africa, Mexico, Iran,
and here in the US. And I wrote back, and
I said, what about just live transcription that's built into Zoom.
It literally just listens to what you're saying and transcribes
what the person's saying. And English to English is super easy.

(41:13):
Of course you can probably have it in other languages.
That's like what AI has enabled on all these video
chat apps, is you know, live translation in real time.
And I just got a reply from Darren. He said, Rich,
that's amazing. I never even knew that existed. You should
let your listeners know about this feature. I'm listening to
the show. Awesome as always, I mean, super simple solution,

(41:34):
but it's like I'm sitting there racking my brain, going
this can't be like, maybe am I missing something? Does
he want to do something? And I don't understand, but
it just sounds like he just wants live transcriptions, which
is something that's built into zoom. Anyway, Should we take
a call? Do we have time to take a call?
You think? Okay, let's go to Oh, Tanner wanted to
touch the button here, I'll put the caller back on hold.

(41:57):
All right, go ahead, Tanner, let's go to Oh. Now
we just now I think we just hung up on them.
Are you there? Okay? Whoops? We just me Oh, who's this?

Speaker 4 (42:09):
This is Dave and Littleton?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Okay, Dave, I think you might have been on with Kim,
but I guess we're just gonna take you live. Who
knows what?

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Well, that's fine, No, Rich, you and I talked a
while back on my Stubbornly Young podcast. But I have
a tech question for you.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Okay, wait, what podcasts do we talk on?

Speaker 4 (42:25):
You were on Stubbornly Young? Oh?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yes, I remember this? Yes you do that podcast?

Speaker 13 (42:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah? Did anyone listen?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (42:33):
I hope so I think so? Yeah? I mean there
were downloads. So yeah, good.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I like that. I like to hear that. I you know,
I'm always like, Okay, people are going to care about
what I have to say. Anyway, what can I help
you with, Dave, Yes, I do.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Excuse me, Rich, I've got about a four year old PC.
I don't do a lot on it. Oh, I do
a lot on it, but I don't require a lot
of functionality. But I do some audacity editing and some
other things. But anyway, it seems like it's full. And
I have gone back back and forth. I've tried to,
like I actually stripped it down to original mode and
everything else. But by the time I get all my

(43:05):
apps loaded on it, I've got like a half the
gig hard drive by the time I get everything up,
and I know and by the time I get it
going everything now when I look at it and Mike,
you know, it says I've got like one percent left,
one percent left. So I was thinking about just replacing it.
But is there something I can do to clean that
thing up?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yes, I mean you can try and see if it helps.
But I mean, if you're this is this is what
happens when I set up an Android phone that's only
got one hundred and twenty eight gigabytes of storage. By
the time I get everything installed on there, it's got
nothing left. I'm like, well, I can't even use this thing.
So that's kind of what's happening to your computer. How
big is the hard drive on this thing?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Well, it's it's a half a gig I'm sorry, yeah,
half a half a gig hard drive, but it's of
course partitioned into the C and D drive.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Half a gig doesn't sound right, that would be right?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Oh fived?

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Sorry, five to twelve path a terribiye five twelve okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
that's a decent amount.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
It should be. And and I actually restored it to
factory settings once and about and everything was back up
and running and wonderful. And then about a month later
by the time and I've deleted you know, stuff from cash,
I've deleted stuff from download, but man, it just keeps
catching up to me. And I'm thinking it's probably just
time to give up and get another one. But am
I wrong?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Well, is the computer still working? Yeah, then there's no
need to get so here's what we need to do.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I mean it chokes a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Oh well, because it's probably the drive is so full
that it doesn't really have a lot to work with there.
But here's what I would do. Number one, the easiest
thing is this a desktop or a laptop?

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Desktop? Desktop?

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So well, okay, so super easy for if you still
want to use this computer, you know, that's number one.
You have to decide you want to use it. I
would I would go through and try these programs like
number one. Disc clean Up is built into Windows. Have
you done that?

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Done that?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
What about Storage Sense?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yep?

Speaker 6 (45:02):
Done that?

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Okay, Well then what about bleach bit? Have you tried
that one? No bleach bleach bit like bleach like, you know,
cleaning something, so bleach bit now, Dave, I think you're
a little bit more advanced than the average person, it
sounds like. So this is not something that I would recommend.

(45:25):
This is not something i'd recommend for everyone to just
install in their computer and run because you kind of
have to know what you're doing a little bit. But
this can free up your cash, cookies, internet history, temporary
fly files, all the junk that's on your system that
you don't really need. It can do. And so that
is probably the last ditch effort, is to try running

(45:47):
this on your system, see if it finds anything that
you can get rid of and if it doesn't, you know,
then you might want to look into a new computer.
But before you get a new computer, you can also
put all the files that you're using onto an extra
in a hard drive and see if that helps, because
I don't know how much is stored on your computer
besides the actual apps and things like that, the programs

(46:08):
that you want.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
You know, it's I've done that everything. I push all
my files that are not software related onto the D
drive and it's the C drive that is like choked,
which is where you know, as you know, everything gets
installed right right, So well, I don't want to mess
with repartitioning and all that.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
That's I guess I could. I mean you could if
you wanted to save this computer and just put it
all into one. But that that's what I'd recommend. I
try the bleach bet see if that can free up
some space. It sounds like you just don't really have
much to work with on this computer once all of
your standard programs that you're using are installed. So it
sounds like, you know, if you get a new computer,
obviously you want to get something that has at least

(46:47):
a terabyte of space. At this point, at least sixteen
gigs of memory and a good decent processor. In fact,
I always recommend when you go to Costco if you're
a Costo member, to get what they have there. And
I was in Costco last weekend and I was looking
at the computers. They have Lenovo all in one twenty

(47:08):
seven inch touchscreen for nine hundred dollars with an AMD
rise in five sixteen gigs a RAM one terabyte drive.
It looks like it's built in graphics on that one.
Then they had another computer I saw six ninety nine
for an HP desktop, thirty two gigs of storage arise
in seven and a terabyte. I mean, that's incredible for

(47:29):
seven hundred bucks. So that's where I'd recommend you look
for those computers if you have a Costco membership. But
good to hear from you, Dave over there in Little
Tin Glad. We did the podcast and felt like yesterday,
even though it was probably longer than that. Coming up
more of your calls. Eighty to eight rich one O
one eighty eight seven four to two four to one
zero one. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro

(47:54):
here hanging out with you talking technology at Triple eight.
Rich one O one eight eight eight seven four two
four to one zero. One couple of price price hikes
to know about. Number one nest Aware. This is Google's
subscription service for their cameras and doorbells. They're increasing the

(48:14):
price starting August fifteenth. The standard plan nest Aware goes
from ten dollars up goes to ten dollars a month
up from eight, or one hundred dollars a year up
from eighty. Then nest Aware Plus goes to twenty dollars
a month or two hundred dollars a year, up from
fifteen or one hundred and fifty. So all users are
gonna get those price hikes starting with your first bill

(48:37):
after August fifteenth. Google says the hike is needed to
keep up with market shifts, inflation, and local tax updates.
So yeah, we're seeing the prices go up on that.
It's kind of in line with what Ring charges for
their cameras to monitor multiple cameras. A lot of people
don't realize, like the nest cameras are just live streaming
and sort of the Ring cameras. Basically, if you don't

(48:58):
pay for these subscriptions, that save it in the cloud.
Peacock also raising prices Peacock Premium with ADS is going
from eight dollars a month to eleven dollars a month
starting July twenty third for new users August twenty second
for existing users. Peacock Premium Plus, which apparently has fewer ads, okay,

(49:19):
goes from fourteen dollars a month to seventeen dollars a month.
So NBC says the price hike reflects that Peacock was
quote underpriced compared to competitors. And they are testing a
select here for eight dollars a month, which just has
a couple of things on there. But here's the deal.
I've talked about this on this show. Peacock is the

(49:39):
sleeper streaming service because it's NBC Universal. They get so
many of the best movies. I think that movie that
I was talking about earlier Drop, I think that was
on Peacock. So actually I'm canceling, just kidding. Let's go
to Barbara in Oh my gosh, Okay, I keep pressing

(50:01):
the wrong button here. Okay, let's see if this is
Barbara and passing a Barbara You're on with rich Hi.

Speaker 14 (50:07):
First of all, it was a pleasure to talk with
your son Tanner, who provided a wonderful apology. What a pleasure,
all right, and a pleasure to speak with you. I'm
currently I am book the US Mobile. Should I buy
a new phone before I transfer? Or answer? And if
you have time to answer, I was Android before iPhone

(50:31):
and use a MacBook primarily. Is it crazy to go
back to Android?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Okay, let me get that straight. So you've got AT
and T you're going to switch to US Mobile? Is
that right?

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Okay? And you also have an Android, but you're thinking
of going to an iPhone?

Speaker 4 (50:47):
No.

Speaker 14 (50:48):
I had an Android back in the day, okay, and
then I moved to the iPhone family and need to
upgrade from A twelve or I want to? And is
it crazy to go back to an aproid?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I don't think it's crazy at all. I mean I
love Android, so I would of course recommend that. But
it depends what you want out of your phone. Are
you a big I message person?

Speaker 9 (51:09):
Like?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Do you love I message?

Speaker 14 (51:12):
I love messaging. I don't care who how I do it.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
You're not like a green bubble snob?

Speaker 14 (51:19):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Okay? Well, I mean, look there's there's two there, and
it does work with your with your MacBook. You said
you have a MacBook. So the iPhone does work really
well with the MacBook. So if you are transferring files
or you like to text from your MacBook, those kind
of things do work really nicely. Or if you have
a subscription to any of the Apple you know iCloud services,

(51:41):
those all kind of work together. They call it the
halo effect. So if you're if you're happy with your
iPhone and you like the way it works, I would
just upgrade to a new iPhone. And unless you're a
pro photographer, I think the iPhone sixteen E is an
excellent upgrade for you. And that's going to be about
six hundred dollars. You might be able to get it
for a little bit cheaper, depending on if it goes

(52:02):
on sale or any promotions. US Mobile is excellent. We're
actually going to have the CEO of us Mobile on
in an upcoming show. I subscribe to US Mobile. I
really enjoy what they do. How did you hear about them?

Speaker 14 (52:16):
From you? But also from Park Powers?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Oh okay, interesting, who's that?

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Now?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
It's kidding? No, I love Clark Howard. So yeah, US
Mobile is really good. And so you're trying to figure
out if you should upgrade before you do the switch.

Speaker 14 (52:35):
Yeah, should I buy the new phone first or should
I switch first?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
You know, I don't really think it matters. I would actually,
since you're doing you know, it's kind of like these
big life changes, I would say I would do the
switch first, get settled in, make sure everything works, and
then upgrade your phone, and then you can switch the
number easily to that new phone.

Speaker 14 (52:57):
All right, that's donny. Any particular I transferring to US Mobile.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
M Well, you know, if you're on AT and T,
they're gonna basically try to keep you on there, so
you do have to get what's called a port out
authorization number. Usually are you are you logged into AT
and T on your account and all that good stuff
like do you know like how to access it online? Oh,
we got it, we gotta we gotta run. But it

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should be pretty painless and they can walk you through
their customer services. Great. Thanks for the call, Barbara. Welcome
back to rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out
with you talking technology at Triple eight rich one O
one eight eight eight seven four two four one zero one.
The website rich on Tech dot TV show notes are

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live there there. Uh, and now we've got a guest
Adrian Ludwig, chief architect at Tools for Humanity, working with
a World Network to build a private, insecure way to
prove that you are human online and welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (54:01):
Thanks Rich, happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
This is fascinating to me. So first off, explain what world.
So I was actually long story shorter or probably longer.
I was in South Korea when you guys originally launched
like the first ORB. I believe it was like there
right where you like scan your irises or something.

Speaker 15 (54:20):
So the ORB is a camera that takes a picture
of your face in order to confirm that you are
real human and give you a identity that you can
use to connect to online services. But yeah, I've also
been to the ORB in South Korea.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Oh you have Okay, So I was there. This was
like I think it was two summers ago, and so
I was like very like, this is really interesting. This
is really different. So the World Network, Like, what are
you building at world? What does that mean exactly?

Speaker 15 (54:50):
So a couple of almost a decade ago, the founding
team Sam Altman and Alex Blania and a few others
were beginning to think about what what the world would
look like once AI became prevalent and capable, which we're
now in that world where we're seeing very capable AI.
And one of the things they realized is there wasn't

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a way to differentiate real people from a capable AI
on an online context. And so world is a protocol
to make it possible for any service to future proof
its application in the future.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
So the idea is, I go to this physical device,
I get scanned as a human, It confirms it I'm
a human, somehow saves some of my biometrics in its database.
And then when I'm online, let's say I sign up
for a dating app, I would use that to let's say,
like confirm that I am a human versus just a
bot that's sitting there chatting with a whole bunch of people.

Speaker 15 (55:48):
The way I think about it is it's a little
bit like you go to the DMV and it takes
a picture, it gives you a credential, which is your
driver's license, and then you can go around and drive
and use it whenever you want. But if there's a
need for you to present it in order to confirm
that you are a licensed driver, you can do that.
Now it's very different because we don't need to keep

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any information at world, so it's quite different from other
technologies in that regard. We've built it from the ground
up to think about privacy and make sure that the
data is being held by the user.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
But that's really what.

Speaker 15 (56:22):
It's doing, is giving you what sometimes we'll call a
passport for being able to access online services and do
so in a private way.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Okay, So you've got these orbs set up in different places?
How many? I mean, I know there's one in Los Angeles.
Where else are they? I mean, you have to name
every city if there's a whole bunch, But there's a
whole bunch.

Speaker 15 (56:38):
So we've got over fifteen hundred orbs that are currently
in use around the world. In the United States, we
have a couple hundred Okay, listen, yep, the big ones
San Francisco, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Austin, Texas, and we're continuing
to expand. We have a partnership with a company called
Razor that has a large number of retail stores around

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the United States as well, and they're beginning to deploy
orbs in their storefronts.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
So you go in there, you get scanned, and then what.

Speaker 15 (57:08):
Then you have a world ID and you can use
that to connect to any service that wants to improve
the quality of their application. So you mentioned online dating.

Speaker 16 (57:17):
We have a.

Speaker 15 (57:17):
Partnership with the match group. They make Hinder, and they're
really concerned about making sure that people only build one
dating profile and that the information that's presented there is
reasonably accurate. They have a little fledge here and there
is fine, but reasonably accurate. And so what World does
is allow them to have a safer place for people

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to meet their match online. In the gaming space, I
mentioned Razor earlier, there's a big concern about bots being
used to replace human gamers and that's just something that
the gamers don't like and it makes it much less
fun for everybody. And so that's another area where there's
a lot of interest in having confirmation that the people
you're playing with are real humans.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Are shaking their heads saying, yeah, that is a big problem.
So it's like like if I'm playing Mario Kart and
you know you've got all the like I mean, I
know this is simple explanation, but like sometimes you want
to play against you know, bots because they're just populating
the screen. But if you're in like a competitive gaming landscape.
You don't want these AI super gamers to have the

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advantage over the humans, So you can say only humans
with this world ID are allowed into this game to
play like this round.

Speaker 15 (58:27):
Yep, you could do that. You could have a tournament
where you have to have a world ID. There're a
variety of different approaches that could be taken. There was
something that cracked me up just a couple of days ago.
I guess there's a movie coming out called The Odyssey. Uh,
And I got a posting saying that every ticket has
been sold already for its opening, which is about a
year from now. And I was like, who, I hadn't

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even heard that this movie was coming out. Who's bought
all these tickets? And then right after that I read, oh,
I see scalpers buy the tickets, right so they know
that this is going to be a big hit, so
they buy the tickets literally the day they become available
in a movie that has come out yet, and then
they're going to try to resell them. So that's another
use case that people are pretty excited about. Is a
world ID allows you to say one person is allowed

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to buy a limited number of tickets, and that same
person has to be the one who then goes to
the movie.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Oh wait, that's huge, that's actually like really really interesting.
So with all these like Taylor Swift concerts, like the
you know where there's such a problem with like in
you know, just scalping and this and that you can
have it where ticket master whoever selling the ticket says no,
you have to have this ID. And by the way,
when you go to the door, it has to link

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up with you. How would you confirm it's that person
at the door.

Speaker 15 (59:36):
Well, you actually don't need to know who the person is.
You just need to know that the person to whom
the ticket was issued is the same one. And that's
that's one of the interesting things about our privacy model
is our goal is not to have you say that
you know, Adrian Ludwig went to this concert. Our goal
is to give you the same anonymity that you have
for a transaction right now, where you walk up to
a ticket booth, you pay cash, you get a ticket,

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and then you walk into the movie and nobody knows
who it was. But to be able to do that
in a trustworthy way online and so that's what World
gives you is you can have an anonymous transaction where
you make a purchase and then that same person who
performed that purchase is the one that has to present
the ticket later and they can confirm that as you're
going through the gate. We're working on deploying that technology

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for a concert service and a ticket service in Korea
right now actually, and we're open to conversations with anybody
that wants to do it anywhere else in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Wow, that's really fascinating. So how many people have scanned
yet and explained this scan because you said it was
private and it's not necessarily or irish, like, explain what's
getting scanned?

Speaker 15 (01:00:38):
Yeah, so there are thirteen million people and they actually
are people that have gone to an ORB around the
world and been verified as human. The way that that
happens the ORB is I like to think of it
as just a weird shaped camera. It's about the size
of a bowling ball. It is a sphere and inside

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of it are a few different things. There's several different cameras.
One that is taking a picture of the entire face,
one that is taking a picture of the individual eye.
And when we're taking those pictures, the images are being
taken in both visible light and in infrared light. Infrared
light is really interesting because it gives you the ability
to see the sort of the bumps in a way

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that you can't see invisible light. So the shape of
your skin is very different in infrared light. And similarly,
the eye, while it looks very smooth in visible light,
turns out to be very bumpy in infrared light. And
so what we're looking at is effectively the fingerprint of
each of the two irises that is the front of

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your eye, and then using that to create a unique code,
and then confirming that this person has never signed up previously.
And so once that's done, they now have a verified
World ID and they can go use it with any
service that wants to have a World ID.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Is World keeping a database of all these pictures or
do they get deleted after they come up with the
number or what?

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
Now?

Speaker 15 (01:02:05):
The pictures are taken on the ORB, The ORB analyzes
them to make sure that it's a real person. If
it is, then those pictures are actually given to the
person of whom they're taken, right, so they're transferred to
your phone and they're held on the user's phone. World
doesn't retain the images, doesn't have a reason to keep them,
we confirm that they're unique, and then at that point

(01:02:26):
the key the world idea that the user has registered
is allowed to be used, but there's no need for
World to retain any information. That's one of the things
that I think is most exciting is we've been focused
on privacy from the very beginning, which is different for frankly,
how most technologies are.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Like almost any any database is built on, you know,
keeping that those identifying characteristics in a database that if
it's hacked, it's like game over. So I know this
sounds funny and it's it's gonna sound silly, but like
in the future, and I know that everyone's that's walking up.
All these thirteen million people that you've quote unquote verified,
they've all been real humans. But there is a time

(01:03:06):
in the future when we may have walking robots that
try to confirm themselves as human and trick the system.
I mean, I know it sounds silly, but is that Like,
have you guys thought about that in the future, like
this system can't be tricked.

Speaker 15 (01:03:21):
It's definitely something we've thought about. We've had people try
to verify their dogs so far that hasn't been successful.
We are also aware that there are people who are
trying to produce multiple identities, and they'll do that by
manipulating their face, whether it be makeup or a mask.
They might try to use contact lenses that make the
eye look a little bit different, and so there's a

(01:03:42):
lot of analysis that's going on on the ORB to
confirm that it is an unmanipulated image of a single
person and then go from there. Undoubtedly it's gonna be
what they call a cat and mouse game. All right,
It's gonna get more and more difficult over time, and
we're gonna have to invest more in making sure that
the ORB is detecting those types of attempts. But that's

(01:04:04):
that's something that we're thinking about him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
We've got less than a minute. I'm just curious, who
do you think should go get scanned? Like, what's the
biggest reason to get scanned right now?

Speaker 15 (01:04:12):
So, one thing that people are really nervous about is
other people using their identity, and so we're focusing a
lot on making it possible for you to confirm who
it is that you're interacting with, like in a conference,
like a video conference or an audio conference. So if
you're concerned about that, definitely go get scanned, go have
your image taken of the ORB and become a verified

(01:04:34):
user world ID. In general, if you want to contribute
to an Internet in the future where there's more and
more opportunities for people as opposed to bots and automation,
then I think you're a good candidate as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
And at some point you were giving people like a
little coin or something if they did this. Is that
still happening yep.

Speaker 15 (01:04:53):
So there are lots of different offers that are made
by applications. It might be access to a premium tier
of their service. One of them is you know, the
network itself. The world network has value, uh, and there
is a token that reflects that value, and every person
who becomes verified has the opportunity if they want to

(01:05:14):
to own a part of the network.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Okay, and the website is World dot org. Is that correct?
That's correct? All right, World dot Org. Adrian Ludwig, thanks
so much for joining me today. Fascinating stuff World dot Org.
Check it out if you want to get your human
verification more. Rich on Tech come your way right after this.
Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging

(01:05:38):
out with you talking technology at Triple eight. Rich one
O one eight eight eight seven four two four one
zero one. Let's go to Kenneth in Hollywood, California. Kenneth,
you're on with Rich Hi?

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Rich, Hi, how are you? My question? My question is
I have a I'm an electrical contractor and I have
an electric contracting company. So I have a Google a
Google phone number that for my business, and then I
also have my personal cell phone number that I've had

(01:06:14):
for years, and they both come to my cell phone
and I'm trying to figure out a way if there's
a way to differentiate the two so that I could
know how if it's a business call coming in through
my business Google business phone number versus my personal phone number.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Ah. Okay, so you're using the same phone, but you've
got to two phone numbers funneled to that device. Is
that what I'm understanding correct? And is the phone is that?
Is this a Google Voice number or is it a what?
What kind of phone numbers?

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Okay, it's a Google Voice number that I pay monthly for.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Oh? Interesting, So you pay monthly for that? What what
do you but the benefit of paying monthly? What do
you get for that? Because I have Google Voice but
it's free.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
I guess it's for a business line. I to be honest,
I haven't even been paying attention.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Okay, interesting, it's just.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Been it's been this, you know, funneling out of my accounts.
But yeah, but I'm trying to figure I'm trying to
like consolidate and you know, structure my business a little
better than the way I've been running it. So I
have my personal cell phone phone number and then I
honestly have my electual contracting phone number. So but when

(01:07:31):
they when I get calls, it doesn't say any there's
no It.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Just shows the person's number, shows the person who's calling
call a ready. Okay, Well there is a setting in
the consumer version of Google Voice, and you have to
check to see if it's in the business version that
will display your Google Voice number when someone calls instead
of their phone number. So would that work?

Speaker 13 (01:07:55):
Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
That's awesome. I didn't know there was upsetting. I'll look
into that. Or my next option was just to get
another phone, and then, well you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Can do that, but if you can use the same phone.
So basically, there's a setting inside Google Voice if you
go into the settings that says, how do you want
to display the phone number. Do you want to display
the caller's number or do you want do you want
to display the Google Voice number? And so when you
display the Google Voice number, when you see that number,

(01:08:24):
you know that it is exactly so that is and
the option is called show my Google Voice number as
caller ID when forwarding calls. And you know this is
these are smart people at Google that have thought about
what you're talking about, and they're like, okay, well, how
would this person know if it's a business call or not? Now?

(01:08:45):
The only the only downside to that system is that
if you were using it, you know a lot of
contractors like to text back people that you know, call
them and things like that, like that would be a
little bit tricky because you would not have their phone
number in your phone. So that's the only downside to that.
But if you're answering your phone and they leave a

(01:09:05):
message or whatever, it's it all worked the same, So
you just won't have access to that ability of you know,
sometimes when I call a contractor, they'll just you know,
they'll text me back information or something right through. They'll
be like, yeah, just text me at this number. So
you wouldn't have access to that, So that would be
the only downside I can think of.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Do you have any recommendations as to being able to
say that, like still have that phone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Number and then.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
Have like a complete different system, like go to a
because I don't think I can go to a T
Mobile or Rise in store and then have them put
that phone number on their service.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Yeah, you usually can. You can ask for a second number.
Do you have a Do you have an iPhone or
Android iPhone? Oh you can. You can literally go right
now online to Tello or US Mobile, or you can
go to your Verizon eighteen ten. They will literally add
a second line to your phone now.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
But I'm trying. I'm trying to keep that same phone
number because I'll I have so much client.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Tell that the Google. Yeah, they can transfer that. They can,
they can take it. They can pour it in. It's
called but here.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Who doesn't Google doesn't own the phone number, so they
they'll just give up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Okay, Yeah, they will poured it. It's called a it's
called a poort in. But here's the deal. I would
try this for the you know, I mean, you're already
paying ten dollars a month. It looks like minimum. So
but you're gonna have to the thing is you don't
want to be paying for a whole another line of
like ninety dollars a month. That's the thing you want
to do. So you could either do something like there's
like apps out there that are virtual numbers and some

(01:10:36):
of the let's see if Grasshopper. There's like there's like
virtual phone systems like Grasshopper. I would check out grasshopper
dot com. And there's a bunch of services like that
will actually put a virtual number on your phone as
an app. You can go that route, or you can
actually get a secondary sim like an e SIM with

(01:10:57):
a phone number, and you can just use like a
US Mobile or something to get a very inexpensive phone
line or a visible or a cricket and that you
can physically have that number. I believe Verizon specifically will
give you a second line. I think for like another
ten dollars a month. I think T Mobile does that.
Eighteen team may do it. Just inquire at your carrier first,
which one's your carrier, by the way, I Mobile, okay,

(01:11:19):
I think they do a second line for like you
can call them up and see if they will do
a second line that's connected to your primary line. That
does not cost the full like ninety dollars a month.
But that was and then what if?

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
What if I wanted an option to when UH customer
calls and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Then for it to stay hang on, hang on, I
gotta I gotta run to break hold on. One second,
I'll put you on the line. You're on personal hold
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(01:12:18):
We had a caller asking about Google Voice and their business,
and we talked about that. I got a message from
Rod he said, Rich, I also use Google Voice for
my business, and I have the app installed it rings
my regular phone, but I set up call screening in
Google Voice, so it asks the caller for their name
or reason for calling. Then I can choose to accept
or reject the call right from my phone. It's been

(01:12:40):
a great way to manage contacts and avoid scam spam.
So that's another way to use it. Yeah, Google Voice
has been great. I actually I signed up for Google
Voice on day one. Let's see if I can find
the date grant it used to be called Grand Central.
Let's see, let's see what date that was Grand Central

(01:13:02):
March eleventh, two thousand and nine. That's oh no, okay, nope, sorry,
that's when. That's when Google relaunched it as as a
Google Voice. Wow, March eleventh, two thousand and nine, So
when did Grand Central launch. Let's see, Now I can't

(01:13:22):
find it. It's really tough to search something like Grand
Central launch because there's too many things called Grand Central.
But anyway, I was working at CeNAT at the time.
This was Grand Central was what Google Voice was called
before Google Voice. And this was back in the day
when you had a phone line at work, a phone,
a cell phone which were just kind of coming up,
and then a phone line at home. And so the

(01:13:43):
idea behind Grand Central was that you would give people
this one phone number and it would ring all three
of those lines at the same time, and then you
would pick up the one that you were near. And
of course Google bought them almost instantly rebranded them as
Google Voice, and the rest is history. Let's go to
Wayne in your Belinda. Wayne, you're on with Rich.

Speaker 13 (01:14:04):
All right, Rich, quick question, h I have both Androy
and iPhone, but most of that andoy, I've tried to
find the apps where some something can while I'm driving,
have the the text message anyway, they can read it
over to me, voice out to me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Okay, so you want your phone to read your text
to you while you're driving, correct, yes, and your apps
read well. We just tested one for Android that is
it does exactly what you want. I don't know how
good it is over the time, over long term, but uh,
what's I got my kid here? We tested it. What's

(01:14:48):
it called Tanner? Oh? Here you go.

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
It's called Read My Text Messages. It has like ads
every time you open it, but it it does the job.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Well, it does the job. So Wayne, It's not pretty,
but it is simple. And so you install this app
on your phone on Android. It's called Read My Text
Messages and you toggle it on and it reads your
messages and then you can also there's one. There's only
two simple toggles read messages and then repeat messages. So
if you want it to read it out twice, it

(01:15:21):
will do that. The only thing is you have to
give it permission to access your text. And the other
annoying thing is the ads, but you can remove them.
Let's see how much it is to remove them. It
is a dollar ninety nine, so well well worth the
dollar ninety nine to remove those ads. Do you not
Do you not have Android Auto on your phone?

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
I do, yes, So when you get a text, can't
you just have Android Auto read it to you?

Speaker 13 (01:15:46):
Oh, I never picked it out. I never know they
have the function.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Yeah, so Android Auto, when you get the text, you
should be able to tap the text again and it
will just speak it to you. If there's not a
little play button. It's been a while since I used
Android Auto, but there's typic. If you tap the text again,
it'll read it to you, or you can just press play,
or you can use your Hey, Google, read me that
last text will It will do that, So that's another

(01:16:10):
way of doing it. And same thing in the iPhone.
You should be able to ask it Siri to read
your last text and it should work. I haven't tested
that right here, but I have no reason to believe
it wouldn't work. But those are two ways to do it. Whane,
I'm glad you're trying to keep your eyes on the road,
your hands on the wheel, and you know, I say
at the end of every show, do not text while driving.
Please do not text while driving. I see it. It's

(01:16:34):
an epidemic. It's an epidemic of distracted drivers, and it
is really bad. It's causing accidents. People run into each other.
Almost every single accident I see on the side of
the road, I say, that's guaranteed that was because of
distracted driving, because people are bumping into each other. They're
just literally bumping into each other. How does that happen?

(01:16:56):
That happens when you are not looking at the car
in front of you, because you're looking down. And I
see it every day. People are sitting there and believe me,
I look, I am not holier than thou here. Believe me.
I want to text my entire drive like we're all
getting texts, right, and I really do I text while drive.
Don't be honest, No, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
Whenever you get a text message, Uh, you don't even
look at your phone. You literally just focus. But another
thing I want to say is that I see people
literally looking at their phones when they're crossing the road
at a crosswalk, and like, I'm just thinking, what if
someone ran that light and they got hurt?

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Like, yeah, well that's why that's called survival of the fittest.

Speaker 8 (01:17:40):
Like, what's the point of looking at your phone? Like
your life could be at state?

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Oh, I mean, I'm not kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
We are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
We are building a world of zombies. You're you've seen
the zombie movies, right, and it looks scary the blood
coming out of their mouth and stuff. No, we already
are here. We are the zombies. We are literally beholden
to these tiny screens that we hold and we look
at them. We fall into fountains, we fall off cliffs.
I mean, I'm not kidding. These are all things that

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have happened. Cars run into us because we are so
unaware as humans with this thing in front of us,
and we can't get enough of it. And it's just
like now we get the watch, so the watch goes off,
you get that ping. I mean soon they're just gonna
pop it right in your brain and you'll just get
that little bizz right when you need it. Speaking of phones,
Apple launched an emoji game this week and Apple News Plus.

(01:18:32):
It's called Emoji Game, and you are challenged to fill
in the blanks of three short phrases using emojis, and
some of them are actually generated by Apple's ai called
gen Mooji. Each puzzle has a bunch of clues you
can reveal, but the whole point of this is to
figure this out in the least amount of moves total.
So you can just drag all the emojis to the words,

(01:18:53):
but that's gonna cost you your turns. So if you
like emojis and you like these puzzle games, this could
be fun. I tried playing it. I mean, maybe I'll
give it another chance. I'm not a big emoji guy,
Like I just don't really care that much about them,
and so I I don't know, It's like, it doesn't
really appeal to me per se. But it's fun and
it's different, and if you're looking for kind of like

(01:19:13):
that brain challenge, that is that is nice. So again,
if you're a you do have to be an Apple
Newsplus subscriber for this to work, so you have to
be paying for Apple News Plus. But if you are,
by the way, you have access to a whole bunch
of games and things inside Apple News Plus.

Speaker 8 (01:19:31):
Yes, Like, my dad plays crosswords at a lot of
places when he's bored, and I think Apple Newsplus is
worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Oh you think it's worth something? You're not paying for what? No?
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:19:45):
I just think it's good to challenge your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Like, I agree.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
Like I like a good brain teaser, or like those
crossword games.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I agree. Uh, let's go to Stan Stands in uh
Granada Hills. You're on with Rich and my kids.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
Hey, Rich, that's how you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I'm doing great. What's up Stan? You don't text and drive,
do you?

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Of course I drive.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
I don't text when I drive back. I I'm just
beginning to learn how to text.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Oh well good, then don't don't learn how to text
with one hand on the wheel. Don't don't get that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
No, no, no, I use the voice the type of
text thing perfect the microphone. But I'm an analog person.
I've been doing that for many, many years. I repair
and resurrect old turntables, record players.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Oh that's cool, Yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I've been doing it since nineteen fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Oh my gosh. So people bring in like an old
school like a what like a photograph kind of thing?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Exactly right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
And huh, how do you get the parts for these things?

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Well, there's still some parts available. Sometimes we have to
work around whatever we can. And sometimes I take parts
off of an old turntable and you know, whatever is
there if I and the left and go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Wow, okay, that's cool. What's your favorite album all time?

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Wow? I have so many of them. Right off. The
first one comes to mind is the Four Seasons by Vivaldi.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
The also Four Seasons by Vivaldi.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah, yeah, well it's a oh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I got it, got it violent stuff. Okay, all right,
Bobo's rushing me along here. We got to get to break.
So what's what's the question you said you have?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Well, my question is I'm I'm trying to get learn
a little bit more about computers. And I have an
iPhone seven, which is a very old It's been upgraded
by Apple, I say, because I needed a new battery,
so they upgraded it. But I need more storage for
my pictures. And then whatever comes up it says it's

(01:21:58):
been disabled.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
An iPad that was given to me as a gift,
and I don't know how to connect them together to
my phone, and I just have so many questions.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Well, we have a whole nother hour. We may have
to go to break Well while I'm explaining, but what
what do you want to do? Do you want a
new phone? Do you want a new laptop? Do you
want a new iPad? Do you want to just connect them?
What do you what are you trying to do?

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
I want to I would love to connect the iPad
to my phone, and I would love to get more
out of my phone, more use out of my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Well, I'll be honest, and iPhone seven is out of
uh it's end of life, which means there's no more
software updates for it. There's no more there's no more
support for it. So you are at risk of you know,
anything that could you know, exploits, let's say, and apps
may no longer update or install in that device. So

(01:22:49):
I would if I were you, what I would do
is what my kid has a suggestion? What is it?

Speaker 8 (01:22:56):
I would recommend the iPhone sixteen E. It's like small,
like the iPhone seven, and it's like lightweight, and it's
not like a huge phone like today. I mean I
kind of tested it for a while and I just
think it's a really good phone. Yeah, pas storage, it's
good for like the everyday use.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Yeah, I would agree with that. So I would say,
if you're going to upgrade your iPhone seven, go with
the sixteen E. It's about six hundred bucks. I know
you didn't call to spend money, but if you want
to get up to speed on this stuff, and if
your phone is fine, you're not doing a lot of
banking and stuff on it, and you don't care about
the apps, you can still use it. It's just you
have to remember that it's not supported anymore with the

(01:23:37):
with the iPad. If you want to link them up,
you just have to sign in with the same iCloud ID.
Do you have an Apple ID for your phone?

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
I don't, Okay, all right, So get an Apple ID,
sign up for that, and then sign in on both
your iPhone and the iPad with the same one, and
that will get you on the journey of connecting those things,
and your text messages will come through the iPad, your
photos will come through the I've had your bookmarks, all
that good stuff. Stan, I wish we had you for
the whole show. Do you got so many questions? That's

(01:24:06):
going to do it? What we got to go to break?
We'll be right back. Welcome back to Rich on Tech.
Let's go to Michelle in Glendale, California. Michelle, you're on
with Rich and Family. What's up?

Speaker 9 (01:24:20):
Okay? Apple sent me a message that my iCloud storage
is full and suggested elevate my to upgrade my storage
by paying nine months. It's called stop storage. But I
don't really want to do that. So I want to know, Oh,

(01:24:42):
what is your best advice of what kind of device
or option that you can advise the best way to
stopping my photos?

Speaker 14 (01:24:51):
First?

Speaker 9 (01:24:51):
Do that? Do that device or app? And then after
I do it, then then delete photos on my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Okay, so the first my first question for you is
are you positive that this email you got is legitimate
from Apple?

Speaker 9 (01:25:11):
No, it's not a They didn't send me by email.
They just send it to me by I guess by text.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Oh okay, well that's that's a red flag. Now now
here's the thing. So the thing is the first thing
we want to do is go on your phone. Do
you have your iPhone with you or you on it
right now.

Speaker 9 (01:25:33):
Yeah, I have the iPhone with me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Okay, So you want to go to your phone and
then settings, and then up at the top it has
your name and it says iCloud. So you want to
tap there, and then you want to tap iCloud one
more time. Can you do that while we're on the
line here or no?

Speaker 9 (01:25:53):
Yeah, because I actually have two phones?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Okay, perfect, So so follow along. So we got settings.
Are you there yet?

Speaker 9 (01:26:03):
Yeah, I'm already there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Settings, iCloud up at the top. You see your name
or your your Apple account all the way at the top,
right right, yeah, top of that. Okay. Now, now in
this list where it says your name, you're a little
you have a emoji set up? Or no, a like
a little picture of you up at the top. No, okay,
it doesn't matter. Oh got it your initials. O. Guess

(01:26:29):
you're on the right page. And now you see where
it says I cloud. Wait minute, kind of like under
it says personal information, sign in, payment, and how much
does it say under next to I Cloud? What does
this say there? Two hundred two hundred gigabytes? Okay, perfect?
Now tap in there and let's see what it says

(01:26:51):
up at the top or it says storage. What does
it say there?

Speaker 9 (01:26:54):
Arge pool?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Okay, okay, So so the email is legitimate, and the
email is or the text or whatever they sent you
is legitimate.

Speaker 9 (01:27:05):
So oh, actually they didn't send it to me by text.
They have a notation here below saying to upgrade the
two TV.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Oh my gosh, do you think you could fill two terabytes?
I don't think so that's a lot. Yeah, I don't
need No, you don't need that. Okay. So the first
thing I want you to do before you go ahead
and try to do anything else, go into this storage
and you'll see there's a whole bunch of things underneath
it where it says like iCloud drive, backups, messages. Do

(01:27:36):
you see all that?

Speaker 9 (01:27:38):
I mean, I go back?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
No, no, just tapport says storage up at the top
and see and it'll show you what's taking up your storage.
So a lot of times, your your backups of old
iPhones and your I messages are taking up a ton
of storage. So for instance, my backups are taking up
four hun gigabytes and my messages I message is taking

(01:28:02):
up twelve gigabytes. Now why do I need twelve gigabytes
of I message I probably don't. So my point is
you can go in there and clear out some things. Now,
if you back out on that screen, it also says
recommended for you, and it will show you a couple
of ways to clear out your storage as well. So
there's another place I want you to look on your

(01:28:24):
phone if you go to Settings, and I can't do
this all on the phone, so you've got to run
to break But if you go to Settings General, there
is one that's called iPhone Storage and you can tap
that and some of that will tell you what's taking
up the storage on your iPhone, which is then a
lot of times reflected into your iCloud. So with all

(01:28:44):
that said, I think the first thing you should do
is probably clear out some things on your phone that
you don't need. That's number one. But if you want
to offload some of these photos to somewhere else, if
you're a Prime member on Amazon, you can upload unlimited
for free there, or you can get a USB drive
if you check my Instagram at rich on Tech, I
can show you how to transfer your photos from your

(01:29:06):
iPhone to a flash drive. More rich on Tech. Right
after this, Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro
here hanging out with you, talking technology. The website for
the show is rich on Tech dot tv. You can
follow me on Instagram at rich on Tech. I do
post a decent amount of stuff on Instagram. Usually I

(01:29:27):
try to be helpful there. So this week I did
post how to transfer your photos from your iPhone or
Android to a flash drive and it's a very simple process.
You can transfer them, then you can clear out the
space on your phone whatever you want to do. I
will say I'm not making this into a competition, but
the iPhone video has like one hundred and thirty five

(01:29:49):
thousand views. The Android video has only fourteen thousand. Where's
the wamp wamph And then I also have an explain
an explainer on the ring hacking situation that is is
or is not a real situation. We're not really sure,
but anyway, that's all rich on Tech on Instagram follow
me there. Uh and we have a guest right now.

(01:30:11):
Logan Seacrest is a fellow at the r Street Institute.
They have a new report about body cameras on police
and specifically AI how that's being used or should be
used on these cameras. Logan, thanks for joining me today.

Speaker 15 (01:30:26):
Yeah, thanks for having me rich.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
So the past, the present, and future of police body cameras.
We know that these body cameras are very prevalent. What
what do you what's the reason for their uptake in
the world here.

Speaker 16 (01:30:41):
So I think the reason for their uptake is that
they are you know, potentially very very useful. Body cameras
are useful evidentiary uses obviously, and they have a training
uses for for.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Police as well.

Speaker 16 (01:30:57):
You know, I think one of the reasons that AI
is apply to them is that for many years, body
cameras have produced many, many thousands of hours of video,
particularly for a large law enforcement agency. You know, almost
eighty percent of agencies in the United States use body cameras,
and the sheer volume of this footage that the cameras

(01:31:19):
generated has created a data data management problem that agencies
have struggled with for years. So as a result, you know,
vast amounts of footage kind of just languished on servers,
you know, unlaunched, uncatalog, unused. You know, this is a
vast reservoir of untapped lal enforcement intel. Really, so AI
systems are able to scan you know, hundreds of hours
of video and seconds and you know, I've looked at

(01:31:42):
some early pilot programs that suggest that AI video review,
you know, jagely, when guided by human oversight, can uncover
evidence that might otherwise go overlooked, or identify potential instances.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Of off service conduct.

Speaker 16 (01:31:56):
You know, you can even you can even generate the
first draft of a police report. Uh so, yeah, there's
there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Uses for this technology. Oh wow, that's fascinating because I
just recently did a story with a very similar use
where basically a company would come in and put their
little box in connected to all of the security cameras
in a store, and basically, you know, nobody could watch
all the footage from security cameras, but AI can, and

(01:32:22):
so AI would flag things like theft in real time
by scanning all this footage. And that's very interesting what
you're saying about these bodycam footage. It's like, okay, we've
got it, and a lot of times if something bubbles
up and it's like a huge thing, of course they're
going to go back to that video. But what about
all the other stuff that happens. And so that's the
question of you know, I could see good and bad

(01:32:44):
for this because number one, like you said police officer misconduct.
You know, the AI might flag for that. But also
when you can identify everyone in a crowd because of AI,
that's where it gets interesting as well.

Speaker 16 (01:32:58):
Right, Yeah, I think I think it's really really interesting
you bring that up, you know, because contextually it matters
a lot here. Yeah, you know, you look at a
at a major international airport, you know, something like LAX
where you know, terrorism as a serious threat. Uh, these
kind of systems AI video systems can save lives. You know,

(01:33:18):
you take the same technology, you put it on a
body camera, and you take it to a protest in
a public park. Uh, you know, the same that same
technology is a serious threat to civil liberties, you know,
so what place it would start? Just you know, in
terms of regulating, some of this is limiting the use
of facial recognition during some of those constitutionally protected activities

(01:33:42):
like a peaceful protest. You know, a system that makes
sense you know in a bank or you know on
some kind of mass transit system maybe doesn't doesn't make
sense you know, on every corner on it, in every
street front. The public private partnership aspect of this is

(01:34:05):
pretty interesting because there's there's new uh uh there's these
kind of new UH agreements between private businesses and law
enforcement agencies that are creating shared networks, and they're places
like New Orleans and Tulsa and other places are applying
AI to these shared networks, you know, and that that

(01:34:26):
potentially opens up a situation where police have a three
hundred and sixty degree coverage of a neighborhood or even
entire city, operating continuously day and night, uh and without
any kind of uh, you know, oversight or restriction and
and and that's the kind of kind of black mirror

(01:34:46):
dystopian future that I think we want to avoid in
the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Yeah, so a lot of this really does come down
to some of the regulations and standards that we have,
because every police department operates independently, right, Like, there's not
like one kind of national system that regulates all of these,
right So it's and I think a lot of it
is being pushed by these companies that create the cameras

(01:35:09):
because obviously they want to sell them and get them
used as much as possible, and of course the storage
and things like that. So I mean, what is the solution.
Is it the you know, the policies or what, Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:35:22):
I think it really is. You know, the technology, the
technology is a tool. The technology is like any other
powerful technology.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
It can be used for for good or for ill.

Speaker 16 (01:35:34):
You know, whether it's used for for good or ill
comes down to the policy guardrails that we put in place.
You know, the line between public safety and state surveillance
isn't really in the technology, but it is in those
policies that government that government. You know, here in our Street,

(01:35:55):
we saw that AI was kind of transforming some of
the house and these law enforcement video systems work, and
nobody had kind of mapped the risks and opportunities clearly.
So the report is basically to help policy makers catch up.
You know, I think sometimes in public policy we're always
complaining that that we're behind the technology, right and at

(01:36:15):
our Street, we're trying to get policy makers in front
of the technology for once rather than rather than playing catchup.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
So they can understand what's coming, what the implications are
of this. Because when you really like, this is not
I've always thought of this idea of the AI stuff
that's coming on board, it's like it is superhuman. And
that's the big difference is that, you know, if you
wanted to put a camera at every intersection that spit
out a ticket for every single person that does something

(01:36:42):
wrong at that intersection. I know we have read light
cameras and those are controversial in their own aspect of
their own regard. But you know, when I was a kid,
I had this idea of a car that what if
your car like there's nothing in this day and age
that we have with our cars that are basically iPhones
on wheels from literally looking at the law and saying, oh,
you're going over the speed lemit here, let's spit out

(01:37:03):
a ticket. Let's email it to your house right like
that that could happen. And the reason it doesn't is
because we have kind of protocols in place where that
is not something that happens in America. But with AI
and technology, it's kind of challenging all of this stuff
because what's possible now was never possible before.

Speaker 16 (01:37:22):
That's right, And I think that's that's one of the
things to that is different about AI as a technology
is such a powerful force multiplier and fundamentally change the
balance of power between the public and the government, between

(01:37:43):
the people and the government, and that is in the
United States a very delicate balance that we always have
to be kind of fine tuning and watching. So this
technology has the potential to really throw that balance out
of whack. If the government is able to watched you
wherever you go, identify every place that you are, without

(01:38:06):
any kind of barriers or or or warrants or kind
of judicial and legal oversight, then that is, uh, that
that poys us some pretty pretty challenge challenging, uh challenging problems,
UH similiberty sis constitutionally speaking, and uh, that's we We
want this technology because it is it is, it can

(01:38:29):
be very useful.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
We just need to implement.

Speaker 16 (01:38:30):
It in a way that uh is in line with
American ideals.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
Yeah. It reminds me of these TV shows where they're
looking for someone and they're like, all right, now, give
me a scan of all the cameras in the area,
and it's like, you know, it seemed unrealistic and you know,
probably very time consuming. But in the future that is
something that is actually very easily done with AI and
with these networks of cameras and you know, the unlimited

(01:38:57):
server space and things like this, like that is a
possibility to track someone down very quickly and easily. And
we already do it, but it's probably much more manual
than it could be in the future. So really interesting stuff.
Where can folks find this report?

Speaker 16 (01:39:13):
Yeah, the the R Street website is always always a
good place for that. It's www dot or street dot org.
It'll be there, and you know it's on our on
our social media feeds. Uh, it's pretty easy to find
if you if you just google a body camera or
street that will also pop up them.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
All right, Logan Seacrest at the R Street Institute, thanks
so much for joining me today. Thanks rich all right,
really appreciate it. All Right, we're gonna go to break.
We got the feedbag coming up. We're gonna talk to
my kids about a couple of things on their mind,
and uh, we're gonna wrap up the show rich on
Tech dot TV. We'll be right back. Welcome back to

(01:39:55):
Rich on Tech. A couple of headlines to get to
before we talk to my kids and then get to
the feedbag. First off, you haven't checked your bitcoin. If
you've got it, definitely check it. It has been surging
in the past week, up twenty eight percent for the year.
I would give you all the reasons why, but there's
never really a reason. Just check it out and see
if you have it. It's kind of fun to watch

(01:40:15):
if you've got it. Finally, it's back up Chrome. If
you're on Android, lets you move the address bar to
the bottom of the screen. So if you open up
Chrome on your Android, you see a little message that says, hey,
do you want to move the address bar to the
bottom of your screen? You now have that option. You
can also try long pressing on the address bar and
you should see the message that says move address bar

(01:40:36):
to the bottom. They did this on the iPhone a
long time ago. Apple moved theirs on Safari a long
time ago, and so now you can do it on Android.
I don't know if I like it down there, I'm
testing it, but anyway, you do have to have the
latest version of Chrome, and it's rolling out, so you
may not have it immediately. I was playing Donkey Kong
Bonanza last night on the Switch too, and I gotta
say it is fun, fun, fun. It is just a

(01:40:59):
game where you go around smashing things. It is really
fun and the audio is great, the sound effects, the gameplay,
that everything. So I am really really loving that game.
Apparently reviewers are too. IGN says it is Nintendo's first
switch to Masterpiece, So definitely get that one for the
kids if they have a switch to and a website

(01:41:22):
to tell you about. Snitcher dot space. Snitcher dot space.
If you get a suspicious email you're wondering if it's
phishing or a scam, you can send it to scan
at Snitcher dot space and they will send you back
a report. It can analyze for romance scams, fake lotteries,
investment fraud, emergency ployees, whatever. It'll give you all the

(01:41:44):
red flags and it kind of explains why you can
also do the same thing by control a and putting
it into like CHATGBT and say tell me if this
is scam. All right, let's talk to my kid Tanner
about this sensation on Roadblocks called Grow a Garden. Twenty
one million players. This thing is incredibly popular. What the

(01:42:06):
heck is grow a garden on Roadblocks?

Speaker 8 (01:42:08):
Grow a Garden is exactly what it sounds like, you
grow a garden, though it is based off of rang.
There is a seed shop and it restocks every four
minutes and every player sees the same thing on there,
and it's local sided for you. So if you buy
something in the shop and then if another person looks

(01:42:29):
at the shop, they'll see something, but you won't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
What does that mean, I don't understand anything you just said.
If that makes sense to me. What's fun about this?
Are you growing plants and then selling them?

Speaker 8 (01:42:40):
So yeah, what's fun about it is there's mutation. So
you grow a plant. Let's say you grow a carrot,
which is the most common thing, so you grow it,
and then there's mutations like drenched.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
What's the point just to keep you online?

Speaker 8 (01:42:55):
The point basically is it grows offline, which is a
big thing that people like you always want to come
back to see how your garden grew.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
Ah, So that's what I think.

Speaker 8 (01:43:04):
It's keeping players in. And there's super rare seeds like
the giant pine cone seed or the burning bud or
ember lily, and those are very rarely in stock. So
that's what keeps kids keep wanting to go into the
game because they want to see if.

Speaker 9 (01:43:19):
It's in stock.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
So it's definitely psychological warfare. Of course we get that
all roadblocks games are. But what's funny about this is
that you also have a YouTube channel. I'm not kidding.
It's like the CNBC of Grow a Garden. They so
they sit there on the on the couch and they
play this game with this with this stock market thing
on the TV. And what's it showing you?

Speaker 8 (01:43:41):
So basically it's showing what's in the sheet seeds shop.
And there's also like merchants that come around, uh like
daily and they sell stuff, so like it shows that
and it shows like eggs. You can have pets that
like can help you find different seeds. And that's basically

(01:44:03):
the game. And there's mutations.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
So a lot of people are calling it the new Farmville.
But for kids, yeah, I do.

Speaker 8 (01:44:10):
I don't think it deserves all of the players because
it is a little like come back, Yeah do the
sing come back to the same Like there's no way
to actually defeat it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
No, well, no roadblocks game can you defeat? I mean realistically,
I mean, well build a voote for treasure, okay, roadblocks
or Minecraft. Well, actually we're gonna get to Minecraft in
a second. But real quick, this person who created the game,
let's switch to Parker. He's going to tell us about
what he did that went viral, the grow a Garden.
The guy who created it is making like five million

(01:44:44):
dollars a month on this thing. Yes on kids playing
a game on roadblocks, just to remember that. So here's
what I always tell my kids. Don't be the ones
playing the game, be the ones making the game. That's
what I want them to do, all right, Parker, Parker
did something where you created a video that went viral
on YouTube? What was it?

Speaker 11 (01:45:00):
All right? That is correct?

Speaker 10 (01:45:01):
So I talked about this actually a couple of months ago,
and I talked about the Minecraft movie and how much
I liked it.

Speaker 11 (01:45:09):
It's a great movie.

Speaker 10 (01:45:10):
I wouldn't say it's the best of all time, but
it's great. And there was a song that went viral
in it called Steve's Lava Chicken. It was pretty catchy,
thirty second song, supposedly one of the most viral songs
that is classified as a song.

Speaker 11 (01:45:23):
It was only thirty seconds.

Speaker 10 (01:45:25):
So I made a video It was basically Steve's Lava Chicken,
and it uploaded it backwards.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
You just backwards this song.

Speaker 10 (01:45:32):
I did not, you know, I just like, you know,
if some people like it backwards, and I just wanted
to be out there so people can easily have it
at their fingertips because everyone likes that. People don't want
to have to go into it and edit themselves for
five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
So if you search, oh wow, okay, so I guess
some other people did this as well, because I just
searched for it on YouTube. But yeah, it's just basically
Steve's Lava Chicken reverse. But it got like, what like
two hundred thousand.

Speaker 11 (01:45:56):
Views Now it's up to three thirty three hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
And thirty thousand views, just re versing something unbelievable.

Speaker 10 (01:46:01):
And it's not even like a YouTube shore it's just
a regular video and those are even harder to get today,
to the views, which I didn't even think is gonna
go this big, you know, started out just small, kept
on going up.

Speaker 11 (01:46:13):
Now of course it's died down, but it's still.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
You worked on a new video today. What's your new one?
Give us to give us it before you upload it.

Speaker 11 (01:46:20):
Okay, we got it right before I upload it.

Speaker 10 (01:46:23):
It's basically the song this is Me, and it's I
instead of doing it's like I am brave, I am bruised,
I am who I meant to be.

Speaker 11 (01:46:34):
I am Steve. So this is what our.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Kids of America are doing. And there's spare time these days.
Thank you, Parker, I thank you, thank you for having me.
Gosh all right, we're gonna do one feedback. Sharon says,
thank you, rich I appreciate your advice on tech stuff
and enjoy reading your newsletter. Sharon. Robert from California says,
thank you so much. I'm seventy two. I had no
idea what phone to purchase. I heard angels singing, and

(01:46:58):
then on TV there you were reviewing the Pixel nine.
I now own it and love it. I believe this
was divine intervention. Thank you. Bobo knows I'm no angel.
All right, that's gonna do it for this episode of
the show. Thanks to everyone who joined me today, Parker Tanner, Bobo, Kim.

(01:47:19):
You can find me on social media at rich on Tech.
Next week, we've got an entire show full of feedback.
I cannot wait to do that. It's gonna be fun.
We've got Tom Merritt as a guest host of Daily
Tech News show, technology journal journalist, Sabrina Ortiz, senior editor
at ZD net, and my visit with Disney Imagineering. Thanks
so much for listening. There's so many ways you can

(01:47:40):
spend your time. I appreciate you spending it right here
with me. Don't text and drive. Thanks everyone who makes
this show possible. My name is rich Darmiro. I'll talk
to you real soon.

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
Go ahead, kids, Hi, thank you, bye, nangah, thank you,
bye bye.

Speaker 11 (01:47:52):
Have a great day.

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