August 14, 2023 • 34 mins
The Near East Side of Columbus is imbued with history and culture, including areas like King-Lincoln, Olde Towne East, Franklin Park, Bexley and more. Hear from Suzan Bradford, longtime Executive Director of the Lincoln Theatre, about her life growing up in King Lincoln, her experience guiding the historic theatre’s revival, and her career and passion for exploring and teaching West African dance in Columbus.
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Live Fund Experience. Columbus's Live forIt Live podcast introduces you to a new
frontier of undiscovered possibility. Columbus isa city with an energy of its own.
Joined boxer Kelsey and their guests foran insider's look at a destination that
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of popular attractions, uncover best keptsecrets for things to see and do,
and meet people who embody what itmeans to live forward. Welcome back to
another episode of Experienced Columbus's Live ForwardLive. I'm boxing along with my co
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host Kelsey. Kelsey. Good tohave you back with us. A whole
new season. I know, anotherseason we survived. We're back again,
he asked us back. Yeah,you know, we got invited back.
You know one of the great things. I know, it's one of your
favorite things. One of my favoritethings too. You hear this all the
time. The people of Columbus makeColumbus what it is not to mention the
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culture. And I'm really excited aboutour guest this week. She's sitting right
next to us. She is someonethat has been the executive director of the
Historic Lincoln theater, not just that, but her background and dance from what
she does at Ohio State. Andshe is this week's guest on Live Forward
Live. Want to welcome Susan Bradfordto the show. Susan, welcome,
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Thank you, thank you, Kelsey, thank you. There's my pleasure being
here. I have to first ofall ask when it comes to the Lincoln
Theater, and I know we'll domore of a deep dive into this,
but it's so historic. It firstopen to what the twenties right eight it
opened Wow, so and you havebeen there for a while. But just
if those walls could talk, Susan, what would they say? What would
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they say? I think that thewords would result owned creativity, a space
to grow, a purpose, apromise, nostalgic, innovative. I didn't
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think I was going to go thisfar. If the Lincoln had was to
say, and I'm happy about beingin the space that I am now well,
and to think about your prominence thereand to see it as as someone
who watched it being remodeled right renovated, that that must have been a tremendous
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undertaking. It was, it was. If I can just go back a
little bit, just so take wayback. I'm going and raised here in
Columbus, Ohio, and actually hadmy childhood on Longstreet. And so I
remember as a young girl seven oreight going to the Lincoln Theater to actually
take a dance class, and fromthere, as I made my track through
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my life and came back to Columbusafter college, I was looking for a
space for my dad's company to beand I broke drove by the Lincoln and
I said, hmm, I wonderwho's going to run that building? Really?
Ter wow, And as my motherand her wise wisdom said well,
let's just go to the opening.And we went there and it was immediate
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connection for me spiritually with creativity andalso just full circle and lo and behold,
I moved into that position the universeknew. Yes. So being there
now is for fifteen years of renovationstarted in two thousand and seven and finished
in two thousand nine. Vision iswhat made it happen to be able to
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see that the work inside the LincolnTheater, the essence of the Lincoln Theater
was worth saving because the building wasabout to fall if we all huffed and
puffed and blue down, blue itdown. Wow. Yeah. So fifteen
million dollars was the initial fundraising,and then maybe three or four years after
that another three point eight million toset us where we are now. And
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it's just been a phenomenal thing toobserve and to watch Susan Bradford is whether
she's the executive director of the LincolnTheater. You know, we want to
get into let's start a little bitmore with you. I think about with
you and dance. How old wereyou when you first started even an interest
in dancing. I get that questiona lot, and I have to say
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I have to give credit to againmy mother, who loved music, love
expression, and so those Saturday morningsof cleaning up with music turned into dance
classes with her, and so shetaught my brother and I just all the
latest dances and how to be creative, how to move easily and just when
you feel it, just to go. So that was my first in introduction
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to dance and my first experience aboutbeing free and dance. And then just
my studies throughout the year, mytravels to West Africa, my travels to
different places around the country, honingin on what my interest was, which
is traditional West African dance, andthen just being able to develop it so
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that the dance department at the HouseState took notice and said, hey,
we want you here to help uspush this curriculum. Now, as as
this little girl in Columbus, indowntown Columbus, you know what was it
like for you then compared to walkingthe streets now as an artist here as
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far as opportunity then compared to now, So my seven year old dancer would
say, there's just a wealth ofplaces I can go to learn. After
the Lincoln closed in nineteen seventy four, there was another center called the Paulance
Dumbar Cultural Arts Center that was alittle closer to my proximity of my house.
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And so if I wasn't home,I was there there. I was
exposed to j international artists, Iwas exposed to what being a docents,
language, theater, writing poetry,all these things. And so that was
just my life at seven to eightyears old and moving into twelve years old
to do that. So I sawthe wealth of talent there and saw saw
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the wealth of opportunity that shaped meas an artist. When I returned,
I didn't see that opportunity too muchmore. And as I was beginning to
grow my company and grow myself.I didn't see where I fit in as
far as traditional West African dance.Where was it on the university level?
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Where was it in the community?It was there, yes, and what
was there I did take advantage ofand was able to grow from that.
But as in my as my adultdancer, now, I want to create
an opportunity for other artists to havethose consistent opportunities, outlets and engagements as
an artist, to to find outwhere they fit and grow from there.
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Susan, did you stay here foryou know? Post high school? Where
where did you go after that?So my mother said you have to leave,
right? So I went to asthe door right? So I said,
no, I don't want to go. I did maybe two years at
Ohio State and then got my nerveup, my charity up, and said,
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okay, I'm gonna go to NorfolkState University in Norfolk, Virginia finding
my comfort cause my my big brotherwas there and so just following him like
I've always done, landed me thereat business management and was introduced to the
dance theater there at Norfolk State andbecoming a member there, later becoming the
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dance captain there. Took me tothe East and West Coast and dance as
far as part of the Black DanceExchange. Opened my eyes even more.
I know what I'm gonna do now, right, And so that's where my
in depth learning came from. Cameback from college again, mother said you
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gotta get right. So she sentme to West Africa for four weeks,
just raw and did you have familythere? Or family? No language,
no experience. You know, shehad been traveling herself and I'm just walking
her path pretty much. And shesaid, you're gonna go. When you
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come back, you're gonna know whatyou're gonna do with your life. Period.
And that happened. I thought mymom was stressed because I couldn't watched
nine o two or no. Didyou out of the country? Yes?
Did you think that was a crazything for your mom to say? Good?
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So I'm like, what out ofthe country? I hadn't, you
know, had that opportunity before.But I wasn't afraid, you know,
I I she has proven herself andher knowledge and her wisdom, and so
if I knew if she's been,she's not gonna send me somewhere. Yeah,
that wasn't safe for me, butshe would send me somewhere that would
allow me to grow and have myown exposure and results from that. Hence
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now, yeah, she was inBradford is with us the executive director of
the Lincoln Theater on our podcast forLived Forward, Live and Experienced Columbus podcast.
So you were f four weeks inWest Africa, is right? Yeah?
Four weeks in Senegal, West Africa. Yeah? Yeah. What did
you learn? Wow? I learneda lot about myself. A lot of
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things were affirmed, similarities in culture, a place that was very welcoming,
and I saw myself there. Danceand music and some of the cultural traditions
and heritage fit in my household.So it wasn't like said, I wasn't
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scared. It was very eye openingand it gave me another perspective about how
how global I can become and theglobal world. And so we find when
we don't leave Columbus, when wedon't leave the United States, not necessary
in comparison, but what else isout there in the world that I that
I'm attracted to. I'm so gladyou said that, because we all love
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Columbus. But there is something veryspecial and I think important too about learning
other cultures. And traveling the world. It's there is something to say about
a global perspective. I think thereis and I think Ohio State nurtures thought.
It does it does? It doesnurture that Again in in my childhood,
my mom was actually a part ofthe International Council of Visitors when I
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was growing up, and she specificallysaid, I want to bring in I
want to be the host to studentswho were coming from West Africa wow,
or from around Africa too that wascoming here to study at a house state
and other other universities. So Iwas engaged with those people, you know
often as they would visit our homesand holidays with this. So that global
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perspective was introduced very early. Andso needless to say, my children and
everyone who is around me knows aboutAfrica now within the travelers who have traveled
with me and who have extended thattheir global perspective that way. Yeah,
so you come back from West Africa, then what happens? How do you
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get involved with I come back?I worked with the YWCA. We were
doing some new programming with competitive doubleDutch and African dance, and again they
said, oh, she'll do it. So I went in fifteen years there
and was just really taking African danceand using it as a vehicle for social
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and personal and development. And thenexposure of course, and then just a
lot of a lot of studying asI moved around the country and bringing traditional
artists to Columbus to really give thechildren that I worked with authentic experiences.
Susan, you would toured the country, you spent four weeks in West Africa.
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You had this global perspective, butstill something was calling you back home
to Columbus. You could have goneanywhere. You could have yeah, yeah,
yeah, New York, La,West Africa. So what was it?
What was the calling to come backto Columbus. The calling to come
back to Columbus was the comfort,the opportunity to sit on a foundation that
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could propel me to where I wantedto go on. It allowed me to
have different experiences throughout the city.It's a great place to raise children,
a great right. The school systems, the opportunities, the sports, their
entertainment, the creative parts. That'swhat kept me here. And that's one
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of the reasons why my mom movedfrom Chicago to Columbus because she didn't really
want to raise my brother and Iin Chicago. She wanted to raise me
here, and so I still havethat feeling of comfort, of a sense
of community, sense of neighborhood,right, all of that safety. And
so that's why I stay because asI'm as I'm growing people, children,
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arts, community company myself. It'sa fantastic foundation to just go in any
direction that finds that you find here. Yea, Columbus is the heart of
it all. It certainly is.You stole that from Yes, what can
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I ask you? What inspires youabout Columbus because it's it's full of like
I said in the opening, it'sfull of culture here. Yeah, yeah,
diversity, yeah, and it's growingto that part. Of course,
there's going to be a change frommy eyes as a young person to my
eyes now I see the change thatis happening. It's inevitable, but now
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it's it seems a little bit moreinclusive and intentional about that. We are
seeing that we are no longer thatcowtown that people have put on put on
Columbus some you know, thirty yearsago or so. But now we're innovative
and it's a test market for alot of the businesses and corporations are coming
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in, right, and so wepretty much are the trendsetters of what's successful
as they come in. So wesee that growth, we see that tech
coming in and arts coming in.I think that's what helps grows our city,
makes them attractive and it's affordable.Yeah. Yeah, when you start
looking at other cities, you're absolutelyright affordable now, you know, for
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us has been here a little while, we think, oh my god,
everything expensive, right, post pandemicespecially right, Yeah, but we see
now that it's attracting young professionals andfolks who are in it and who are
have creative thought to really plant here. Yeah. So, if I'm a
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visitor coming to Columbus and I wantto go to the Lincoln Theater, what
do you tell me about it?And what do you hope I take from
my experience visiting it? Yes,so I would tell you that the Lincoln
Theater is the catalyst of the artisticand economic and housing in and around the
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King Lincoln District, which is anotherdestination for our young professionals to reside and
to grow and to be a partof that community. I would also tell
you that the Lincoln Theater has arich history that was very inclusive. One
of the things that I say whenI'm talking about the Lincoln is that it
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just didn't come into diversity, equityinclusion. It's been the beacon of of
of that. It's been the beaconof hope, it's been the beacon of
preservation, and it's been the beaconto to propel possibilities. And so with
that, I would also ask askKelsey, if where's your creative what is
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your creative outlet? And we havesuch a s mortgage boards of of a
trade at at the Lincoln Theater.One of them can fit your palette and
then we'll serve it up to youso much that you would just have to
be at the Lincoln. So theLincoln is, you know, centrally located,
the parking that is there, thediversity of of of acts to come
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through there. How we promote localartists, how we ensure that local artists
are being are supported, being paidand have a space to create. Susan
when if I could ask one morequestion about the remodeling process, because you
oversaw that of the Lincoln Theater werebecause it's been open since what'd you say,
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nineteen twenty eight or in between nineteentwenty eight. The renovation, the
rebirth right what we call it istwo thousand and nine. So when you
were doing the rebirth was it wereyou very careful you and your team and
the staff to be able to capturethe past along with where you're going and
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present as well. Right, itwas very important for that and that was
part of the vision, is topreserve that nostalgic presence of the theater.
We didn't have a lot of photographicand reflections about what the Lincoln looked like,
so we did about a year anda half of research about that.
Because we wanted to keep it onthe Registry for Historical Sites, then we
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were allowed to be able to takethat time and find that. So we
found those replicas, we found storiesfrom the community, and put it back
to the space and designed that itwas so it's the Egyptian Revival moteeth.
It's one of ten theaters that havethis design, and a few years ago
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it was one of five that werestill operating. So it's very it's very
breathtaking when you come into the Lincolnbecause you feel that history, you feel
that nostalgia and always brag the JamesBrown slid across the floor at a James
said, at last Sammy Davis Juniortapped on those this this floor right here,
Moles, Davis, count maccap Callawayall played here. So even when
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we have the big names come,I dropped that information just so you gotta
below, gotta bring a game here. I have been I cannot wait to
go. Yeah, the history ofit at all is also seen in the
hieroglyphics throughout the theater. And thatwas on purpose too, so that you
can so that we can maintain thatthat essence of the theater and and talk
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about that history. So we havebeen categorizing in archiving a lot of the
things that happened at the Lincoln sincethe rebirth, so we would have that
data and that information for the nextYeah, Susan, I would have to
imagine that that the Lincoln Theater hasto be a destination for people not just
here, but for out of townersthat are visiting Columbus. Do you also
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do tours. We do do tours, and it is a destination. I
believe when former Mayor Coleman decided andinvested into the Lincoln along with the other
visionaries, they are also looking atLong Street because Longstreet was a divider back
then. You know, it divideddowntown to the east side, and when
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you're looking at that, you're kindof looking at the division. And Mayor
Coleman at the time did not wantto have that bridge as a division anymore.
We see that throughout our cities inthe United States. So now it's
a two way, and we developedand we're develop a cultural wall, so
that culture wall speaks to that communityand bridges that community through downtown in our
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areas. So it's walking. It'syou know, three blocks, two blocks
from the Lincoln and then you go, you know, then there's other historical
spaces in around the King Lincoln thatis a walking destination. A lot of
historical buildings there and varied areas.May I ask if your mother is living,
yes, eighty five. She getsto see what you've done. Yes,
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yes, How proud is she ofyou? Very very my number one
fan, my number one critic.She it gives her much joy to see
the work that we're doing and remindsme that there's were those who have gone
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before me, and what homage Ineed to pay to them, and how
they would be very happy. Ilove how you have talked about your mother
and this podcast too, by theway, Susan, because she seems someone
that even to this day you continueto lean on. You still get advice
from her all the time. It'scoming over here, over here. So
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even just like you know you canthe compliments you guys have given me,
she would she would say, yeah, so about speaking well and being very
impeccable with the words, just whatshe says. So I've practiced that,
and hence the companies. Hey,what kind of events are going on right
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now at the Lincoln Theater. Wow, So we have coming up our Walk
of Fame. And this this tiesback into the nostalgic piece and the innovative
piece. So about eight years agoI started a program called Walk of Fame,
similar to LA's. Okay, butthere was so much history, so
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many people in Columbus who made indelibleprints, both in that community and also
in the in the country, andso I begin to have a team just
to research who those people were.We begin to have pairs so that we
would honor one living and one decease, and we do that the end of
July every year. So this year, I'm sorry, I can't disclose right
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now, but go to the websitesoon and see who we are doing.
But in the past we're Amina Robinson, Kojo Kamal, Bobby Floyd, Queen
Brooks, the visionaries who were therewho helped bring this to life, Mary
Coleman, Larry James, and BobConnor who has since passed on, but
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Rusty Bryant. There's so many Ican't get all of them their names out
right now, but they're they're sittingright up under the marquee with their star
and their name. So we dothat. So that's coming up. We
have eight signature programs, so wehave the community conversations just talking about different
topics around the city, of thecountry, the world that are edgy,
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just so that we can start.We know that conversation is a is a
space to start when we talk aboutdifferences. We have our backstage at the
Lincoln, which helps artists to beexposed. We bring them in, we
booked them, they play on stagewith the audience, and we have our
pattern summer camp and this is thesecond year that we are at full capacity.
Before we open. They are indulgedin music, dance, theater,
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visual arts four or five days aweek with our partners from Cosie and our
partners from local matters and our partnerswho are moving and seeing that the all
round exposure for the young people.We find some diamonds in the rough there,
I'll tell you that. And it'sreally exciting to see young people just
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in the arts freely. We alsohave our wine down Wednesdays. I guess
one day, were gonna be ourguess one day. We have five months
of series on our patio. Wehave a patio at the Lincoln and so
we have arranged sat for sixty people, local jazz band, you know,
wine of course and a few odorsand it's wonderful upstairs on the patio.
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And of course our other ones areour Patterns camp are we Club Lincoln and
so that's similar to our backstage.But Club Lincoln is open to local artists,
local bands we present there and thenit's open also for organizations and corporates
to host events there as well.Susan, how vital has the community been
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to supporting the Lincoln Theater? Likealmost dare I say the heartbeat of the
Lincoln Theater. Yeah, had togrow into that, you know, you
want you're talking about renovating a buildingthat has sat for thirty years. Sure,
what kind of success is it goingto have? Yeah? What is
going to be the driving force forthat to to keep it going? So
I kind of take the Lincoln asLady Lincoln. So you know, in
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her first one to five years,she's donating everyone loves an incol Let's see
what she's doing, you know,just like a child. And but now
that she's near fifteen, right,she wants her own identity. We want
to do this, I want tostretch out and do these and so we're
just going with that, flowing withthat breath that the growth of the Lincoln
is is projecting for the Lincoln.So as we are saying, if you
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could ask that question with more time, oh, yes, they give me
How important is is the community whenit comes to supporting the Lincoln Theater the
heartbeat of it. Yes, thecommunity is so important to the longevity,
to the growth, to the exposureinto just the awareness of the Lincoln.
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It is really built around the communitythat it sets in. That makes it
different from other the other theaters thataround the city. It's community base,
it's it's locals, it's youth,it's multigeneration, seniors, it's you know,
it's ada, you know, allcompliant, you know, so it's
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it's very inclusive for the community tobe there, not just the folks who
live in the King Lincoln District,but surrounding communities too because it is destination
and we have free parking. Yeah, there you go it, Dandage.
I just and just one more thingabout about the theater specifically, Susan.
I'm just fascinated to see that somethingthat sat empty for so many years and
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someone handful of people that had lovein their hearts that wanted to revive it,
give it a heartbeat again, camealong and did that. I just
find that amazing. It is quiteamazing, and oftentimes I still pinched myself
to say, wow, you know, really taking that full circle from my
young eyes and to my adult eyesnow and then for me to have,
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you know, the autonomy to haveat blank cabinots, just to create what
the Lincoln's treature is going to be. You know, that just gives me
Julian pride every day, but alsogives me a few gray hairs. But
to do that, you know,I think when we add a creative perspective
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to all that we do at theLincoln, then it produces great results and
it has great Yeah. I thinkabout like how we almost lost the Columbus
Crew and how that movement says,no, we're not going to lose this
team. And now look where weare now, you know, and and
the Lincoln could have been torn downand all that history could have been erased,
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and and know, a group ofpeople like you know, including you,
said no, we won't let thathappen. Yeah, exactly, and
take any you know, they liketo have their home spots that they go
to. They put it in apart of their routine, their family outings,
that kind of thing. And that'shappening for that. So we believe
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that, you know, the historyof the Lincoln. The voices that echo
out of there says save me.It's worth it. You know, you'll
see trust the process. Yeah.Susan Bradford is the executive director of the
Lincoln Theater. She is this week'sguest on Live Forward Live and experienced Columbus
podcast. So, Susan, howwould you describe Columbus in one word?
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One word? One word? Boxer, I would say welcoming. That's great,
that's a good one. Yeah.And when you are going out in
Columbus and you're not at the Lincoln. Where do you like to go?
Oh wow, I like you.I like community base for grabbing, so
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the new Contemporary Theater of Ohio formerlyCacko, of course, some of the
some of the events Kappa's Broadway series. I have a few little community spots.
I like to go to the UpperCup Cafe for coffee. Just left
Milestone twenty two last night to twentynine. There's a noise little jazz uh
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spot on Main Street called the BlueNote and to give them a shout out.
So those spaces are there. Ilove the parks there. Co SiGe
is a favorite. So yeah.Restaurants, restaurants, yeah, I know
the Cameron Mitchell's restaurants, the Royce. I think the new up and coming
Cup one thirty two. Yeah,so there's a there's quite a bit of
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the wave. That's a new restauranton Long Street. So yeah, just
supporting that small business, but alsolooking at supporting you know, all of
course, all the arts, therestaurants and things that our culture and and
youth base. You know. Ilove the children. By the way,
Susan, what has your experience beenlike working I don't know if if I'm
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using this term wrong, please letme know. Working under the umbrella of
Kampa, but working with Kappa,which yeah, So the model that the
visionaries came up with that was avery smart model is that the Lincoln Theater
and the Kappa would be a sharedservices of the Lincoln Theater. We would
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retain them for their services. Andit's very smart because you know, as
an up and coming fledgling nonprofit organization, you need a few out a few
years to get yourself rooted and groundedinto what the purpose and the mission is.
And so from there we were ableto retain Kappa for back of house
I mean back of administration and inthe different departments that you would need to
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run an organization such as of theLincoln. And so that partnership again has
supported us alignment for you know,additional funding, and has supported us with
staff. It has supported us inmarketing so that we can really push our
wonderful programs that we have and thenjust get you know, and then that
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camaraderie that that has to be developedfor that is is still you know,
being evolved because they see I canbe a part of the Lincoln's growth,
you know, inside that not somuch of a of a takeover a management,
but a guidance, you know,and and a partner's support. So
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that's where Captain Lincoln's relationship lie.The amount of talent that you've seen through
the years. Dancers, local artists, you know, someone listening to this
podcast and and your story, hearingyou about when you were girl and getting
into dancing. Any advice for themthey up. And commerce, perseverance,
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perseverance, being honest with yourself.Yeah, taking taking the chance and changing
the perspective of the risk. Whenyou take the risk, most things are
kind of that's not going to happen. It has negative connotation to it.
Sure, but when you take thechance, you got fifty percent. Then
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with what you know, there's anothertwenty five. Then because you show up
is another twenty five, there's ahundred. That way you can so you
can do this. You can trustyour vision, trust your where your heart
is as far as your creative self, and give it time it has to
grow. And when you when youfind that right spot, to that feel
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good spot, and you polish apolisher, polish it, do it so
well no one can pick your eyesoff of it. And all the other
tangible rewards would come as a result. That's more than one thing though.
Yeah. Well, I have tosay this has been amazing. Kelsey,
am I leaving anything out? Wecould go on and on and on.
I just want to see you dancenow. Yeah. So my company just
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had our twenty third an annual concertat the Lincoln. Of course I did
a little dancing, okay, yeah, so coming up soon? Do you
dance do something every day? Like? Yeah? Yeah, Ohio State.
You know during our spring in autumnsemester as classes twice a week. Company
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rehearsals are three times a week,and then you know rests teaching and moding
and and giving grooming others to dowhat I've done. Any advice for those
who have no coordination or rhythm?Yes, just hanging there. Find don't
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leave the floor hanging there not so, ye, you have to come to
class. You have to come toclass. I would love to Susan Bradford,
Executive director of the Lincoln Theater.By the way, Susan, I
have to just say this. I'msure you get this a lot, but
you have the most beautiful eyes Ihave ever seen. I mean, it's
just scorge Anyway. Side notes butthank you for being a part of Live
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and meet people who embody what itmeans to live forward. Welcome back to
another episode of Experienced Columbus's Live ForwardLive. I'm boxing along with my co
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host Kelsey. Kelsey. Good tohave you back with us. A whole
new season. I know, anotherseason we survived. We're back again,
he asked us back. Yeah,you know, we got invited back.
You know one of the great things. I know, it's one of your
favorite things. One of my favoritethings too. You hear this all the
time. The people of Columbus makeColumbus what it is not to mention the
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culture. And I'm really excited aboutour guest this week. She's sitting right
next to us. She is someonethat has been the executive director of the
Historic Lincoln theater, not just that, but her background and dance from what
she does at Ohio State. Andshe is this week's guest on Live Forward
Live. Want to welcome Susan Bradfordto the show. Susan, welcome,
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Thank you, thank you, Kelsey, thank you. There's my pleasure being
here. I have to first ofall ask when it comes to the Lincoln
Theater, and I know we'll domore of a deep dive into this,
but it's so historic. It firstopen to what the twenties right eight it
opened Wow, so and you havebeen there for a while. But just
if those walls could talk, Susan, what would they say? What would
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they say? I think that thewords would result owned creativity, a space
to grow, a purpose, apromise, nostalgic, innovative. I didn't
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think I was going to go thisfar. If the Lincoln had was to
say, and I'm happy about beingin the space that I am now well,
and to think about your prominence thereand to see it as as someone
who watched it being remodeled right renovated, that that must have been a tremendous
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undertaking. It was, it was. If I can just go back a
little bit, just so take wayback. I'm going and raised here in
Columbus, Ohio, and actually hadmy childhood on Longstreet. And so I
remember as a young girl seven oreight going to the Lincoln Theater to actually
take a dance class, and fromthere, as I made my track through
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my life and came back to Columbusafter college, I was looking for a
space for my dad's company to beand I broke drove by the Lincoln and
I said, hmm, I wonderwho's going to run that building? Really?
Ter wow, And as my motherand her wise wisdom said well,
let's just go to the opening.And we went there and it was immediate
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connection for me spiritually with creativity andalso just full circle and lo and behold,
I moved into that position the universeknew. Yes. So being there
now is for fifteen years of renovationstarted in two thousand and seven and finished
in two thousand nine. Vision iswhat made it happen to be able to
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see that the work inside the LincolnTheater, the essence of the Lincoln Theater
was worth saving because the building wasabout to fall if we all huffed and
puffed and blue down, blue itdown. Wow. Yeah. So fifteen
million dollars was the initial fundraising,and then maybe three or four years after
that another three point eight million toset us where we are now. And
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it's just been a phenomenal thing toobserve and to watch Susan Bradford is whether
she's the executive director of the LincolnTheater. You know, we want to
get into let's start a little bitmore with you. I think about with
you and dance. How old wereyou when you first started even an interest
in dancing. I get that questiona lot, and I have to say
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I have to give credit to againmy mother, who loved music, love
expression, and so those Saturday morningsof cleaning up with music turned into dance
classes with her, and so shetaught my brother and I just all the
latest dances and how to be creative, how to move easily and just when
you feel it, just to go. So that was my first in introduction
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to dance and my first experience aboutbeing free and dance. And then just
my studies throughout the year, mytravels to West Africa, my travels to
different places around the country, honingin on what my interest was, which
is traditional West African dance, andthen just being able to develop it so
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that the dance department at the HouseState took notice and said, hey,
we want you here to help uspush this curriculum. Now, as as
this little girl in Columbus, indowntown Columbus, you know what was it
like for you then compared to walkingthe streets now as an artist here as
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far as opportunity then compared to now, So my seven year old dancer would
say, there's just a wealth ofplaces I can go to learn. After
the Lincoln closed in nineteen seventy four, there was another center called the Paulance
Dumbar Cultural Arts Center that was alittle closer to my proximity of my house.
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And so if I wasn't home,I was there there. I was
exposed to j international artists, Iwas exposed to what being a docents,
language, theater, writing poetry,all these things. And so that was
just my life at seven to eightyears old and moving into twelve years old
to do that. So I sawthe wealth of talent there and saw saw
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the wealth of opportunity that shaped meas an artist. When I returned,
I didn't see that opportunity too muchmore. And as I was beginning to
grow my company and grow myself.I didn't see where I fit in as
far as traditional West African dance.Where was it on the university level?
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Where was it in the community?It was there, yes, and what
was there I did take advantage ofand was able to grow from that.
But as in my as my adultdancer, now, I want to create
an opportunity for other artists to havethose consistent opportunities, outlets and engagements as
an artist, to to find outwhere they fit and grow from there.
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Susan, did you stay here foryou know? Post high school? Where
where did you go after that?So my mother said you have to leave,
right? So I went to asthe door right? So I said,
no, I don't want to go. I did maybe two years at
Ohio State and then got my nerveup, my charity up, and said,
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okay, I'm gonna go to NorfolkState University in Norfolk, Virginia finding
my comfort cause my my big brotherwas there and so just following him like
I've always done, landed me thereat business management and was introduced to the
dance theater there at Norfolk State andbecoming a member there, later becoming the
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dance captain there. Took me tothe East and West Coast and dance as
far as part of the Black DanceExchange. Opened my eyes even more.
I know what I'm gonna do now, right, And so that's where my
in depth learning came from. Cameback from college again, mother said you
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gotta get right. So she sentme to West Africa for four weeks,
just raw and did you have familythere? Or family? No language,
no experience. You know, shehad been traveling herself and I'm just walking
her path pretty much. And shesaid, you're gonna go. When you
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come back, you're gonna know whatyou're gonna do with your life. Period.
And that happened. I thought mymom was stressed because I couldn't watched
nine o two or no. Didyou out of the country? Yes?
Did you think that was a crazything for your mom to say? Good?
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So I'm like, what out ofthe country? I hadn't, you
know, had that opportunity before.But I wasn't afraid, you know,
I I she has proven herself andher knowledge and her wisdom, and so
if I knew if she's been,she's not gonna send me somewhere. Yeah,
that wasn't safe for me, butshe would send me somewhere that would
allow me to grow and have myown exposure and results from that. Hence
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now, yeah, she was inBradford is with us the executive director of
the Lincoln Theater on our podcast forLived Forward, Live and Experienced Columbus podcast.
So you were f four weeks inWest Africa, is right? Yeah?
Four weeks in Senegal, West Africa. Yeah? Yeah. What did
you learn? Wow? I learneda lot about myself. A lot of
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things were affirmed, similarities in culture, a place that was very welcoming,
and I saw myself there. Danceand music and some of the cultural traditions
and heritage fit in my household.So it wasn't like said, I wasn't
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scared. It was very eye openingand it gave me another perspective about how
how global I can become and theglobal world. And so we find when
we don't leave Columbus, when wedon't leave the United States, not necessary
in comparison, but what else isout there in the world that I that
I'm attracted to. I'm so gladyou said that, because we all love
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Columbus. But there is something veryspecial and I think important too about learning
other cultures. And traveling the world. It's there is something to say about
a global perspective. I think thereis and I think Ohio State nurtures thought.
It does it does? It doesnurture that Again in in my childhood,
my mom was actually a part ofthe International Council of Visitors when I
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was growing up, and she specificallysaid, I want to bring in I
want to be the host to studentswho were coming from West Africa wow,
or from around Africa too that wascoming here to study at a house state
and other other universities. So Iwas engaged with those people, you know
often as they would visit our homesand holidays with this. So that global
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perspective was introduced very early. Andso needless to say, my children and
everyone who is around me knows aboutAfrica now within the travelers who have traveled
with me and who have extended thattheir global perspective that way. Yeah,
so you come back from West Africa, then what happens? How do you
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get involved with I come back?I worked with the YWCA. We were
doing some new programming with competitive doubleDutch and African dance, and again they
said, oh, she'll do it. So I went in fifteen years there
and was just really taking African danceand using it as a vehicle for social
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and personal and development. And thenexposure of course, and then just a
lot of a lot of studying asI moved around the country and bringing traditional
artists to Columbus to really give thechildren that I worked with authentic experiences.
Susan, you would toured the country, you spent four weeks in West Africa.
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You had this global perspective, butstill something was calling you back home
to Columbus. You could have goneanywhere. You could have yeah, yeah,
yeah, New York, La,West Africa. So what was it?
What was the calling to come backto Columbus. The calling to come
back to Columbus was the comfort,the opportunity to sit on a foundation that
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could propel me to where I wantedto go on. It allowed me to
have different experiences throughout the city.It's a great place to raise children,
a great right. The school systems, the opportunities, the sports, their
entertainment, the creative parts. That'swhat kept me here. And that's one
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of the reasons why my mom movedfrom Chicago to Columbus because she didn't really
want to raise my brother and Iin Chicago. She wanted to raise me
here, and so I still havethat feeling of comfort, of a sense
of community, sense of neighborhood,right, all of that safety. And
so that's why I stay because asI'm as I'm growing people, children,
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arts, community company myself. It'sa fantastic foundation to just go in any
direction that finds that you find here. Yea, Columbus is the heart of
it all. It certainly is.You stole that from Yes, what can
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I ask you? What inspires youabout Columbus because it's it's full of like
I said in the opening, it'sfull of culture here. Yeah, yeah,
diversity, yeah, and it's growingto that part. Of course,
there's going to be a change frommy eyes as a young person to my
eyes now I see the change thatis happening. It's inevitable, but now
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it's it seems a little bit moreinclusive and intentional about that. We are
seeing that we are no longer thatcowtown that people have put on put on
Columbus some you know, thirty yearsago or so. But now we're innovative
and it's a test market for alot of the businesses and corporations are coming
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in, right, and so wepretty much are the trendsetters of what's successful
as they come in. So wesee that growth, we see that tech
coming in and arts coming in.I think that's what helps grows our city,
makes them attractive and it's affordable.Yeah. Yeah, when you start
looking at other cities, you're absolutelyright affordable now, you know, for
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us has been here a little while, we think, oh my god,
everything expensive, right, post pandemicespecially right, Yeah, but we see
now that it's attracting young professionals andfolks who are in it and who are
have creative thought to really plant here. Yeah. So, if I'm a
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visitor coming to Columbus and I wantto go to the Lincoln Theater, what
do you tell me about it?And what do you hope I take from
my experience visiting it? Yes,so I would tell you that the Lincoln
Theater is the catalyst of the artisticand economic and housing in and around the
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King Lincoln District, which is anotherdestination for our young professionals to reside and
to grow and to be a partof that community. I would also tell
you that the Lincoln Theater has arich history that was very inclusive. One
of the things that I say whenI'm talking about the Lincoln is that it
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just didn't come into diversity, equityinclusion. It's been the beacon of of
of that. It's been the beaconof hope, it's been the beacon of
preservation, and it's been the beaconto to propel possibilities. And so with
that, I would also ask askKelsey, if where's your creative what is
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your creative outlet? And we havesuch a s mortgage boards of of a
trade at at the Lincoln Theater.One of them can fit your palette and
then we'll serve it up to youso much that you would just have to
be at the Lincoln. So theLincoln is, you know, centrally located,
the parking that is there, thediversity of of of acts to come
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through there. How we promote localartists, how we ensure that local artists
are being are supported, being paidand have a space to create. Susan
when if I could ask one morequestion about the remodeling process, because you
oversaw that of the Lincoln Theater werebecause it's been open since what'd you say,
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nineteen twenty eight or in between nineteentwenty eight. The renovation, the
rebirth right what we call it istwo thousand and nine. So when you
were doing the rebirth was it wereyou very careful you and your team and
the staff to be able to capturethe past along with where you're going and
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present as well. Right, itwas very important for that and that was
part of the vision, is topreserve that nostalgic presence of the theater.
We didn't have a lot of photographicand reflections about what the Lincoln looked like,
so we did about a year anda half of research about that.
Because we wanted to keep it onthe Registry for Historical Sites, then we
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were allowed to be able to takethat time and find that. So we
found those replicas, we found storiesfrom the community, and put it back
to the space and designed that itwas so it's the Egyptian Revival moteeth.
It's one of ten theaters that havethis design, and a few years ago
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it was one of five that werestill operating. So it's very it's very
breathtaking when you come into the Lincolnbecause you feel that history, you feel
that nostalgia and always brag the JamesBrown slid across the floor at a James
said, at last Sammy Davis Juniortapped on those this this floor right here,
Moles, Davis, count maccap Callawayall played here. So even when
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we have the big names come,I dropped that information just so you gotta
below, gotta bring a game here. I have been I cannot wait to
go. Yeah, the history ofit at all is also seen in the
hieroglyphics throughout the theater. And thatwas on purpose too, so that you
can so that we can maintain thatthat essence of the theater and and talk
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about that history. So we havebeen categorizing in archiving a lot of the
things that happened at the Lincoln sincethe rebirth, so we would have that
data and that information for the nextYeah, Susan, I would have to
imagine that that the Lincoln Theater hasto be a destination for people not just
here, but for out of townersthat are visiting Columbus. Do you also
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do tours. We do do tours, and it is a destination. I
believe when former Mayor Coleman decided andinvested into the Lincoln along with the other
visionaries, they are also looking atLong Street because Longstreet was a divider back
then. You know, it divideddowntown to the east side, and when
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you're looking at that, you're kindof looking at the division. And Mayor
Coleman at the time did not wantto have that bridge as a division anymore.
We see that throughout our cities inthe United States. So now it's
a two way, and we developedand we're develop a cultural wall, so
that culture wall speaks to that communityand bridges that community through downtown in our
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areas. So it's walking. It'syou know, three blocks, two blocks
from the Lincoln and then you go, you know, then there's other historical
spaces in around the King Lincoln thatis a walking destination. A lot of
historical buildings there and varied areas.May I ask if your mother is living,
yes, eighty five. She getsto see what you've done. Yes,
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yes, How proud is she ofyou? Very very my number one
fan, my number one critic.She it gives her much joy to see
the work that we're doing and remindsme that there's were those who have gone
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before me, and what homage Ineed to pay to them, and how
they would be very happy. Ilove how you have talked about your mother
and this podcast too, by theway, Susan, because she seems someone
that even to this day you continueto lean on. You still get advice
from her all the time. It'scoming over here, over here. So
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even just like you know you canthe compliments you guys have given me,
she would she would say, yeah, so about speaking well and being very
impeccable with the words, just whatshe says. So I've practiced that,
and hence the companies. Hey,what kind of events are going on right
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now at the Lincoln Theater. Wow, So we have coming up our Walk
of Fame. And this this tiesback into the nostalgic piece and the innovative
piece. So about eight years agoI started a program called Walk of Fame,
similar to LA's. Okay, butthere was so much history, so
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many people in Columbus who made indelibleprints, both in that community and also
in the in the country, andso I begin to have a team just
to research who those people were.We begin to have pairs so that we
would honor one living and one decease, and we do that the end of
July every year. So this year, I'm sorry, I can't disclose right
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now, but go to the websitesoon and see who we are doing.
But in the past we're Amina Robinson, Kojo Kamal, Bobby Floyd, Queen
Brooks, the visionaries who were therewho helped bring this to life, Mary
Coleman, Larry James, and BobConnor who has since passed on, but
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Rusty Bryant. There's so many Ican't get all of them their names out
right now, but they're they're sittingright up under the marquee with their star
and their name. So we dothat. So that's coming up. We
have eight signature programs, so wehave the community conversations just talking about different
topics around the city, of thecountry, the world that are edgy,
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just so that we can start.We know that conversation is a is a
space to start when we talk aboutdifferences. We have our backstage at the
Lincoln, which helps artists to beexposed. We bring them in, we
booked them, they play on stagewith the audience, and we have our
pattern summer camp and this is thesecond year that we are at full capacity.
Before we open. They are indulgedin music, dance, theater,
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visual arts four or five days aweek with our partners from Cosie and our
partners from local matters and our partnerswho are moving and seeing that the all
round exposure for the young people.We find some diamonds in the rough there,
I'll tell you that. And it'sreally exciting to see young people just
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in the arts freely. We alsohave our wine down Wednesdays. I guess
one day, were gonna be ourguess one day. We have five months
of series on our patio. Wehave a patio at the Lincoln and so
we have arranged sat for sixty people, local jazz band, you know,
wine of course and a few odorsand it's wonderful upstairs on the patio.
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And of course our other ones areour Patterns camp are we Club Lincoln and
so that's similar to our backstage.But Club Lincoln is open to local artists,
local bands we present there and thenit's open also for organizations and corporates
to host events there as well.Susan, how vital has the community been
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to supporting the Lincoln Theater? Likealmost dare I say the heartbeat of the
Lincoln Theater. Yeah, had togrow into that, you know, you
want you're talking about renovating a buildingthat has sat for thirty years. Sure,
what kind of success is it goingto have? Yeah? What is
going to be the driving force forthat to to keep it going? So
I kind of take the Lincoln asLady Lincoln. So you know, in
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her first one to five years,she's donating everyone loves an incol Let's see
what she's doing, you know,just like a child. And but now
that she's near fifteen, right,she wants her own identity. We want
to do this, I want tostretch out and do these and so we're
just going with that, flowing withthat breath that the growth of the Lincoln
is is projecting for the Lincoln.So as we are saying, if you
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could ask that question with more time, oh, yes, they give me
How important is is the community whenit comes to supporting the Lincoln Theater the
heartbeat of it. Yes, thecommunity is so important to the longevity,
to the growth, to the exposureinto just the awareness of the Lincoln.
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It is really built around the communitythat it sets in. That makes it
different from other the other theaters thataround the city. It's community base,
it's it's locals, it's youth,it's multigeneration, seniors, it's you know,
it's ada, you know, allcompliant, you know, so it's
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it's very inclusive for the community tobe there, not just the folks who
live in the King Lincoln District,but surrounding communities too because it is destination
and we have free parking. Yeah, there you go it, Dandage.
I just and just one more thingabout about the theater specifically, Susan.
I'm just fascinated to see that somethingthat sat empty for so many years and
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someone handful of people that had lovein their hearts that wanted to revive it,
give it a heartbeat again, camealong and did that. I just
find that amazing. It is quiteamazing, and oftentimes I still pinched myself
to say, wow, you know, really taking that full circle from my
young eyes and to my adult eyesnow and then for me to have,
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you know, the autonomy to haveat blank cabinots, just to create what
the Lincoln's treature is going to be. You know, that just gives me
Julian pride every day, but alsogives me a few gray hairs. But
to do that, you know,I think when we add a creative perspective
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to all that we do at theLincoln, then it produces great results and
it has great Yeah. I thinkabout like how we almost lost the Columbus
Crew and how that movement says,no, we're not going to lose this
team. And now look where weare now, you know, and and
the Lincoln could have been torn downand all that history could have been erased,
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and and know, a group ofpeople like you know, including you,
said no, we won't let thathappen. Yeah, exactly, and
take any you know, they liketo have their home spots that they go
to. They put it in apart of their routine, their family outings,
that kind of thing. And that'shappening for that. So we believe
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that, you know, the historyof the Lincoln. The voices that echo
out of there says save me.It's worth it. You know, you'll
see trust the process. Yeah.Susan Bradford is the executive director of the
Lincoln Theater. She is this week'sguest on Live Forward Live and experienced Columbus
podcast. So, Susan, howwould you describe Columbus in one word?
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One word? One word? Boxer, I would say welcoming. That's great,
that's a good one. Yeah.And when you are going out in
Columbus and you're not at the Lincoln. Where do you like to go?
Oh wow, I like you.I like community base for grabbing, so
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the new Contemporary Theater of Ohio formerlyCacko, of course, some of the
some of the events Kappa's Broadway series. I have a few little community spots.
I like to go to the UpperCup Cafe for coffee. Just left
Milestone twenty two last night to twentynine. There's a noise little jazz uh
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spot on Main Street called the BlueNote and to give them a shout out.
So those spaces are there. Ilove the parks there. Co SiGe
is a favorite. So yeah.Restaurants, restaurants, yeah, I know
the Cameron Mitchell's restaurants, the Royce. I think the new up and coming
Cup one thirty two. Yeah,so there's a there's quite a bit of
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the wave. That's a new restauranton Long Street. So yeah, just
supporting that small business, but alsolooking at supporting you know, all of
course, all the arts, therestaurants and things that our culture and and
youth base. You know. Ilove the children. By the way,
Susan, what has your experience beenlike working I don't know if if I'm
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using this term wrong, please letme know. Working under the umbrella of
Kampa, but working with Kappa,which yeah, So the model that the
visionaries came up with that was avery smart model is that the Lincoln Theater
and the Kappa would be a sharedservices of the Lincoln Theater. We would
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retain them for their services. Andit's very smart because you know, as
an up and coming fledgling nonprofit organization, you need a few out a few
years to get yourself rooted and groundedinto what the purpose and the mission is.
And so from there we were ableto retain Kappa for back of house
I mean back of administration and inthe different departments that you would need to
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run an organization such as of theLincoln. And so that partnership again has
supported us alignment for you know,additional funding, and has supported us with
staff. It has supported us inmarketing so that we can really push our
wonderful programs that we have and thenjust get you know, and then that
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camaraderie that that has to be developedfor that is is still you know,
being evolved because they see I canbe a part of the Lincoln's growth,
you know, inside that not somuch of a of a takeover a management,
but a guidance, you know,and and a partner's support. So
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that's where Captain Lincoln's relationship lie.The amount of talent that you've seen through
the years. Dancers, local artists, you know, someone listening to this
podcast and and your story, hearingyou about when you were girl and getting
into dancing. Any advice for themthey up. And commerce, perseverance,
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perseverance, being honest with yourself.Yeah, taking taking the chance and changing
the perspective of the risk. Whenyou take the risk, most things are
kind of that's not going to happen. It has negative connotation to it.
Sure, but when you take thechance, you got fifty percent. Then
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with what you know, there's anothertwenty five. Then because you show up
is another twenty five, there's ahundred. That way you can so you
can do this. You can trustyour vision, trust your where your heart
is as far as your creative self, and give it time it has to
grow. And when you when youfind that right spot, to that feel
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good spot, and you polish apolisher, polish it, do it so
well no one can pick your eyesoff of it. And all the other
tangible rewards would come as a result. That's more than one thing though.
Yeah. Well, I have tosay this has been amazing. Kelsey,
am I leaving anything out? Wecould go on and on and on.
I just want to see you dancenow. Yeah. So my company just
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had our twenty third an annual concertat the Lincoln. Of course I did
a little dancing, okay, yeah, so coming up soon? Do you
dance do something every day? Like? Yeah? Yeah, Ohio State.
You know during our spring in autumnsemester as classes twice a week. Company
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rehearsals are three times a week,and then you know rests teaching and moding
and and giving grooming others to dowhat I've done. Any advice for those
who have no coordination or rhythm?Yes, just hanging there. Find don't
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leave the floor hanging there not so, ye, you have to come to
class. You have to come toclass. I would love to Susan Bradford,
Executive director of the Lincoln Theater.By the way, Susan, I
have to just say this. I'msure you get this a lot, but
you have the most beautiful eyes Ihave ever seen. I mean, it's
just scorge Anyway. Side notes butthank you for being a part of Live
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Forward Lost. I love talking aboutthe Lincoln, my homestake Columbus. Yeah,
He's given me joy and I've enjoyedbeing a Columbus resident. Thanks for
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