4.15: Tax Day - Hour 3

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
All right, So we've we've had many different conversations throughout
the day here on tax Day. And for those of
you that I'm sure have been worried about it, Austin
is he's working his way through. He's about to potentially
have his first you know, Uncle Sam annual check up
where he's not your where he's where Uncle Sam's not
beending you over right.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Right, he's actually he's actually given me a handout.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And we also shared a really I mean this is
this is one of the things I love about radios
because you know that that's a story that I think
honestly was made for radio, because there's a lot of
people that have opinions on it. I'm sure one way
or the other. Austin was just a naive young adult
that didn't realize that whenever he got laid off here
during the pandemic, that you know, when he was told
to file for unemployment, they weren't necessarily taking into the

(01:46):
two account that he had another part time job, right,
So he filed front employment, got unemployment, and then later
you know, how many how long was it before you
got hit up by I guess your ups rep where
you work part time that said, look are.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
You getting unemployment because you work here?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And you were just like, well, yeah, you know, because
a big chuck of my income was gone when I
got laid off at iHeart, but you know, because you
already had another job, technically you weren't supposed to apply it.
When did like how long into it was were you notified? Like, oh,
I guess I shouldn't have done that, and now I
need to worry about, you know, paying it back and
hopefully not get into trouble.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I think it was probably like five months. I think
I started in like April, and it took like a
whole review process everything like that, which is that's why
it's so baffled. Anyways, they had this review process, I
had to put in other places that I worked. I
told him I wasn't let go of ups. I was
just only let go of this. But I think I
got my first check probably in like June. I remember
it was around my birthday. And then I remember getting

(02:43):
the call around like October, so it was only what June, July, August, September,
about four or five months. So when they called me
and they hit me with the well, buddy, what are
you doing it?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
He kind of alluded to it just now because we've
had at least three people that have texted in to
say that there would have been no real legal action
for them to to, oh really to like get you
in trouble because they gave it to you. Yeah, you
know it's what I thought technically, like, you know, I
could go and you know, if I put in the

(03:17):
wrong I don't even know. This is probably not the
best example, but nonetheless, like it's their job to check
and see if you were qualified to get unemployment or not,
and they didn't do enough homework. And again like still
it was an honest mistake and just a young adult
being naive, not realizing that in order to get unemployment
you literally have to have like no job, yes, and uh,
and you just learned through a trial and error that

(03:39):
you know you got unemployment, but you weren't supposed to
get it.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I thought the whole pandemic really just kind of threw
off the precedence of everything back then. That's what I
was under the impression of, because I did know when
you go on unemployment, because I did try to do
it before years ago. But from what I understood that
you had to continually check in and say, I'm searching
for this job, I applied for this job, I'm doing this.
It's you're updating them on what you're doing to find work.

(04:04):
And I heard that that part was lifted, so maybe
that's I took that in the same hand in his
hand as me still having a job that I didn't
have to report.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I got oh, we were all flying by the seat
of our pants that when all this happened. I mean
it was you know, and I think it's I'm sure
I could do some digging and figure this out, and
it's if it was interesting enough to me, I probably
would figure it out. But if you end up getting
paid a lot of money and you don't really know,
like it was somebody else's mistake, the right thing to

(04:33):
do would of course pay it back, especially if it's
just an honest mistake. But like what legal grounds, Like
for example, Churchill Downs, who was Wes Welker who ended
up being overpaid by you know, I think twenty grand
or something. Maybe that's an exaggeration story, but at Churchill
Downs on Derby Day, Wes Welker was being I mean,
it made TMZ. There was all kinds of people posting

(04:54):
photos of it on social media because he's throwing out
one hundred dollars bills to people. And he later said
straight up like part of the reason why he's doing
is because he won a big bet, but they also
overpaid him and he didn't say anything, and that Churchill
Downs has no legal I mean, I don't think they
have any legal right to like or I mean, I
guess they have a right to ask for their money back,
but like, I don't think they can force him to
pay that back. That's their mistake that they made. But

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they put in some kind of like I think they
put like a press release together, like basically saying he
needed to give the money back, and it really turned
out to if my memory's correct, which it may not be,
it was just a really bad look for them to
try to bully him to give the money back when
in all reality, he's somebody of status that could probably
he probably has multiple lawyers on, you know, in his
contact that he could that they could tell him like look, yeah,

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they don't have any they can say whatever they want,
like you don't have to give that money back, And
I'm pretty sure he didn't. So, you know, if somebody
wins the lottery and it's a mistake, like and I
guess there's levels as to how the mistake could happen, Like,
I don't know, just it's one of those things that
if I ever ended up And this is something we've
talked about on the show many years ago. If I
ever ended up with an un godly amount of money

(06:02):
for a random reason, like I found it, I stumbled
upon it, I would be scared because I would know
that I'm not supposed to have it. And you know,
if I randomly come across it, like hidden somewhere or
buried somewhere, I mean, they know where it is, and
they'll probably the people who hide that kind of money

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would probably have resources to find someone pretty easily and
you know, get it back one way or the other.
But yeah, I don't think it's ever happening. But I've
never been lucky enough not to say you were lucky,
because I'm sure that was a headache that you're happy
is almost over with. But yeah, I've never randomly just
come across money, And you know, maybe one day that'll happen.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
One time I was out of a club. Now this
is a prettoint time, man, You stay in the clubs, dummy,
stop it. Yeah, as a bouncer, maybe club scene, it's
you bro that I had a fun club scene during
the during the pandemic era that that was a really
fun time. Well, just going over across a bridge in
Indiana because those are the only places open granted that

(07:00):
closed at like nine or ten o'clock.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Are you saying we had tyrants around here? Is that
what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Never mind a person that I know of, well, I had.
We were out on the dance floor and at one
point I remember looking down my buddy and nudged on me.
He said, hey, look on the ground. There's probably about
like seven hundred dollars worth of hundreds and ones on
the floor. And I'm sitting there going, oh my gosh.
Well he picks up like two of them and there

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is I just remember in my mind, Nick, I was
a good guy, Okay. I picked up what I could
and I held it up and gave it to the DJ,
and I said, hey, I think someone dropped this money.
I knew that I wasn't supposed to have it, so
with you saying it just like that, like it seemed
too real to be true, Like it seemed like is
this a plant? Like am I gonna bend over right now?
And there's like somebody across the bar that's like, all right,

(07:48):
here's a guy that's taking it, and they're gonna come
check me afterwards.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
By the way, that's what that happens.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
It does people get caught on like hidding TV shows
or just social media videos where they'll leave it like
they'll they'll have somebody fake drop right one hundred dollars bills,
it's not that's not a realm one hundred dollar bill,
and see if you'll give it back to them or
try to keep it. And like, I mean, that's the
ultimate test. I mean, I I would like to think
that I would do the right thing, but I had

(08:15):
but you know, the money that was dropped probably the
DJ just pocketed, right.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
He had to have he had.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I remember an announcement with the DJ making hey, did
somebody leave anything important that's not in their pockets anymore
because they just returned it to the booth, and I
remember one person going oh exploitive bleep and walk up
there and then he got the he got the money bill.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, good, Well that that's good. That worked out good.
So well he probably had to say exactly what.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
It was or they wouldn't know. And that's how you
that's how you point like you said, the DJ.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
So uh this something that this was probably this is
when we were teenagers. So my sister and I I'm
going to brag on her because I'll always when I
think of her. This is one of the things that
always I think of when i'm you know, not that
I need to be reminded. She's a really good person,
and you know, she's somebody that she's my big sister,
but we're really close in age. We're fifty one weeks apart, which, yes,

(09:03):
I was an accident. Nobody plans to have two babies
back to back like that. But anyways, I just remember
she did something that was a very.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Good deed in what you should do.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
It was doing the right thing, and I remember thinking,
I'm not sure if I would have done that, but
I know what she did was the right thing.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
So I need to strive to be more like her.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
She was sixteen years old, she just got her license,
and she was at the gas station that is the
closest to our home, and she was getting gas and
I think there were two one hundred dollars bills that
just somehow happened to be sitting near her car on
the ground, and she picked them up and took them
into the gas station and gave them to the attendant

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and said, I guess somebody dropped this, and I'm thinking
one at this I mean, I'm a year younger than
her at the time. I'm thinking, like she could have
kept that. Nobody would have known in two hundred dollars
to a sixteen year old that's big money. That's big money,
and especially back in you know, two thousan and four.
So I mean, we're talking twenty years ago, and I

(10:04):
don't know. I don't think I would have done that,
because I would have justified it by saying, you know,
it's not mine, but the person who left it's long gone,
and if I take it inside, it's just going to
go to the worker. And you know, I think in
her mind she just thought, well, I just know that
it's not mine. So if they take it and they
don't give it back to somebody who comes looking forward

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and they keep it, that's on their conscious They know
they know they took money that wasn't theirs. And I
just remember thinking like, that's you know, And she didn't
even honestly, had I not known of it happening or
seen it happen, I don't think she would have told anybody,
you know what I mean, Like she didn't do it
to be like, hey, I'm great. She just you know,
she had a conscience about her and knew it wasn't
her money, so she was going to do all you
could at that point, which is to take it inside

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and hope that the person working would in fact give
it to somebody who comes back and realizes they might
have dropped a couple of hundred bucks. So, you know,
I've never even been in that spot, but I'd like
to think I would do the right thing.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
And here I am thinking, now, my parents raise me
a little better. So when I told my mom the
next day, I think you slapped me in the back
of the head and said, what are you doing now?
You're gonna ask me for money the rest of the week.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I think, And honestly, like I think most people
would probably say the same.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Thing your mom said, Like you know exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
We live in a world of the act where we
want to we want to assume we would do all
these things that are just the right thing when nobody's looking,
because we have a conscience and we try to be
good people and whatnot. But until you're like tested with it,
you really don't know, you know what I mean, Like,
you just don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
This is at a bar out on the South End
in Oklahoona too. So I don't think like MTV was
there producing like a good samaritan. Shtcha this guy trying
to pocket the money two o'clock in the morning in
twenty twenty, you know, But I don't know, I just
have I have a goodness to me where I'm like,
what trigger is, Like you just said money that knowing
that I shouldn't have That's what sparked it more than anything,

(11:51):
is I know I shouldn't have this. This other person
probably needs it. But at the same time, if you're
flawting all that money at the club and you probably
you know, do you really need it? You could probably
you probably got some more somewhere body.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Another way to kind of, you know, maybe justify your
Like if you were going to take money and not
give it back, another way to where you could tell
yourself that it was just you know that what you
did wasn't wrong. Is that a lot of people don't
use cash anymore, So like if the cash was already out,
it was probably already spent that was going to go
to the bar tab, So like it's not that big
of a deal, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
That's like bank robbers who know.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
That the the the money that's in the bank that
they take is federally insured, right, so like they don't
feel they feel like it's a victimless crime. But what
they don't realize is that when you are robbing a
bank and you have someone under the belief that if
they don't give you the money, then you're going to
harm them, and that you have a gun or even
even though you say you have a gun and you
don't like that is absolutely that's the crime there, and

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that's something you have to be held accountable for because
that's a traumatic experience that can impact somebody's life forever.
So you know, there are I mean, I guess there
are some victimless crimes out there, but I don't believe
that there are as many as you know, some people
think that's just what people say at times to justify
them doing whatever they do. To I guess sleep a
little bit better at night. All right, Real quick, we
got to get to our first break. We've got a

(13:11):
shorter hour here because the Bats games coming up. But
real quick, just to tell you guys where we've been.
Will continue the conversation as you move along, but a
lot of conversation about Nata meant today because we had
somebody on the text line ask you know, if it
came down to it and you just had to make
you could only afford one, and it was either making
Case and Prior hole and bringing him back with whatever
that cost, or paying natumant whatever he needs. I mean,
I think it's a no brainer to take Case and

(13:33):
Prior just because of where we are in college athletics.
If you can get both, hell yeah, but I would
prioritize more so making it work with Prior. But I
don't say that to say you gotta bend over backwards,
like if he and I don't think he is. I
think he'll announce that he's coming back here soon.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I believe that.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
But you know, he's somebody that I think would help you,
and there'd be a better chance of him making a
big impact for you next season than Nata mint. But also,
you know, with Casein, if he did realize, look, I'm
not going to play pro. I need to get as
much money as I can, and I'm going to hit
the portal and see who throws the biggest amount of
money at me. You know he has every right to
do that. I don't think he will, but you know,

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we shall see. But another thing we've got to talk
about on the other side is Mark Pope. Losing a
big transfer to Darien Devrees at Indiana doesn't mean Pope's
doomed and Kentucky's going to be in big trouble. I
think Pope's going to get it worked out, but I
do want to review on the other side, what was
said about the programs by Wilkerson as far as his decision,

(14:30):
and as you could expect, Kentucky's already justified why they
don't need him anyway.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
So we'll get into that. We'll have some fun with it.
Stick around right here on Sports Talk seven.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
I did not see this earlier, but Mike James, former
Louisville cardinal who transferred in se State only did not
play a single second because of injury. He has now
found a new home. He's transferred to Vanderbilt. So always
Mike's one of those guys that I always would have
loved to have seen get a get a clean I mean,
he had a really rough, rough run and has honestly,

(15:07):
since he's been a college basketball player. He was one
of those guys that Chris Mack really liked a lot.
But at the time they were recruiting him, obviously it
was the pandemic. So, you know, I think Max, I
think Mack told me that that Mike James was one
of the first guys that he really really felt like
was going to be great for him and he really liked,
but he'd never actually met him in person because he

(15:28):
couldn't go watch him play in high school because you know,
of obvious reasons. But he got here at Louisville, was
impacting in practice, got hurt, missed the whole season, and
then of course played two years for Kenny Payne and
that was a disaster. And then last year was with
Kevin Keats at NC State and he didn't play a
second because he got hurt again. So hopefully he can
finish finish strong here, but he'll have I think two

(15:51):
years maybe three years of eligibility left, which is crazy
to think about. Also, real quick, before we get back
into the Wilkerson decision to commit to the degrees at
Indiana instead of Mark Pope in Kentucky after Pope really
rolled up the red carpet. There's all the footage and
pit pictures of Pope with his letterman jacket on walking
around Keenland in the winter circle with Wilkerson. I mean,

(16:14):
you lose some it happens often. But with Kentucky, they're
not used to losing players to Indiana. I mean, when's
the last time that happened. So we'll get back into that.
But nico Leola Maliva probably didn't say that right. But
you know who I'm talking about, right, Tennessee transfer who
was trying to get more money and really hold Tennessee

(16:36):
hostage and basically say you know, I might hit the
portlandunless you throw me more money. Well they didn't balk,
and they moved on. And now he's looking for a
new home. And I kept saying yesterday he'll probably get
it because somebody will be desperate this and that, And
it looked as if North Carolina was going to be
the school to do it. Belichick was going to come
get in, but that soured pretty quickly, at least the

(16:57):
reporting of it that maybe Tennessee or maybe North Carolina
either just decided they didn't want him, or maybe they
didn't want to pay whatever he's asking for. But what
I threw out yesterday just wasn't something I planned to
bring up. But just the comparison I made was Deshaun Watson, right, like,
he got a crazy deal that nobody else would ever
get in the NFL. Collectively together, let it be known

(17:20):
to the players Association, to agents, to players, Look, that's
just the dumb ass Browns. Nobody else would do that.
Just understand, Yeah, that's the highest paid quarterback in the league,
the most guaranteed money ever. But it needs to be
known that only the Browns would do that. We're not
going to do that and just just be you know,
and every I think, every single And maybe that was

(17:40):
another factor as to why I still think it was
foolish for the for the NFL to not want to
pursue Lamorrow whenever he was looking for his new deal.
But maybe part of it was they were collectively saying, look,
we know he's going to ask for more than to
Shaan and we are we're making a stand essentially to
let it be known that like that's not happening anywhere.
So I thought, maybe we'll see this happen with certain

(18:03):
players in the college game, like like everybody come together
and realize, yeah, we all want to get an advantage
and gain an edge, but like maybe sometimes it'd be
better for everyone if we collectively work together to just
let players know that, yeah, they've got more power than
they've ever had, and yeah they can make money, but
they can't bully. I mean what Nico is looking to

(18:26):
do there was just bully Tennessee because he's thinking in
his mind, they'll have to give me whatever I ask
for because they're not in a position to lose their
quarterback post spring, especially when they're coming off of an
appearance in the College Football Playoff. Well they were, they
let him walk. So the latest report from ON three
is that multiple schools are interested, but they're making it

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known that they're going to wait and see if his
nil demands drop before they make a run. Like, the
report is that multiple programs are ready to become contenders
and come after him if he's open to a deal
that's one million dollars, not the four million plus that
he was seeking at at Tennessee, And he may end

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up being a case study down the line where like, yeah,
this is what happens when you get real greedy and
you've got you know, people trying to you know, and
again you could make the case that he's looking out
for his son and making the most money for his son,
but he's all I mean, like, wouldn't shock me if
Nico's just going about his business and yet his dad saying, hey, no,
we need more money, don't go to practice today, which

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is what happened. I mean, he wanted more money, they
weren't willing, and he stopped showing up to team meetings
and they cut ties. Like that's like, there's no way,
no way that Nico and his group had this in
the plans, right, Like they just thought they could do
this and get the money, and in the end they
thought maybe worst case scenarios, we don't get it, but
we tried. Well, no, you're gonna if you're gonna try

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us like that, see you later. And that's the way
it should be handled, to be honest with you, all right,
turn ayways back to this decision from mister Wilkerson Sam
Houston State Transfer and again this I didn't know he
was going to make a decision today, but it was
on the time. It was something I planned to discuss today,
but I didn't realize the commitment was going to be
coming as quickly as it did so. Lamar Wilkerson is

(20:13):
a sam Houston State transfer six to five combo guard
who averaged twenty points a game a year ago, shot
it forty five percent from three, I think it was,
and he was wanted by just about everybody. It came
down to Indiana and Kentucky. He visited both those schools
and he ended up deciding to commit to Indiana over Kentucky,
which really surprised a lot of people, you know, including myself,

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just because you know, rarely do you see somebody you
know in recent years picked Indiana over Kentucky. However, things
are different now. Money's a big factor. Also, Cala Perry's
not recruiting at Kentucky anymore. It's Mark Poe. So here
is here's the quote from from Wilkerson. It was a

(20:56):
pleasure to be recruited by Kentucky, but I didn't want
to go to Kentuck Ucky and just be another.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Guy who's yours.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Basketball's big time is a big time name, and they
haven't been where they wanted to be. I trust coach
Debrees and what he's bringing in, the type of coach
he is, and how he's going to put us in
position to win.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Who's your basketball will be back? Now? The cope here
is if in fact, you.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Know you want to play at a place like Kentucky
or you know, the big times like the Kansas Is
or maybe Caroline or Duke, you know you gotta be
willing to you know, battle it out and not just
be another guy like you got to earn it. You're
going to be playing against the best because you're a
Kentucky like that. That's one way to look at it.

(21:44):
But also, I mean, I remember Matt talking about this
last year after he met with Mark Pope for the
first time on ks R, because it really stood out
to me because you know, Matt clearly is is you know,
a UK fan, and you know, I think you'll tell
you what he honestly thinks. But obviously you know he's
he's a fan of UK, like I'm a fan of Louisville.
So there's gonna be some positivity from his end that

(22:07):
wouldn't be there for most, just like for Louisville. Same
can be said about me. But he said that Pope
was still of the belief because he played at Kentucky
and he realizes how special it is and how awesome
that experience was for him. He's a walking testament to
what it's like to play there, right, Like, look at
this guy, he's living his dream that he thinks that
you know, they're always going to have money, they're always
going to have nil to compete with anybody else. But

(22:31):
you know you aren't going to get like that. You
got to be able to come here knowing that you
you know, you you have to vow what if if
if it's equal everywhere else. Mark Pope is still of
the belief that Kentucky will win out against anybody because
it's Kentucky, not because of money, not because of role necessarily,

(22:51):
and that I just don't think that's realistic anymore. And
that's not I mean, I'm sure there's other coaches that
think the same thing, but like for example, the Jasper
Johnson stuff, they ended up getting it right. He ended
up committing to Kentucky. But I think they wanted guys
to commit to Pope at Kentucky that are good, that
are clearly of the caliber that can play at a
high level, but they've got to, you know, understand this

(23:13):
is a benefit for them, Like they're lucky to be here.
That's not what this is anymore. Man Like, it just doesn't.
It's no knock on Kentucky because again they are cream
of the crop, right, I still think they have the best.
I think Kentucky basketball is the best job in college basketball.
There's really not anything that any other program can provide
that Kentucky can't. But I think this day and age,

(23:33):
recruiting anybody, transfers or freshmen, you're not wrong that it
is a benefit for them to be able to represent
your program, but that can't be the sales pitch, especially
not like the big factor, like you have to compete
with other like for those knocking Wilkerson all, he went
to Indiana because he didn't want to have to compete
at Kentucky. Well, Kentucky, maybe they'll be just fine, but

(23:56):
they didn't want to compete with Wilkerson for Wilkerson, right,
because I guess they told him, you know, he would
just be another like here's how we're gonna use you.
This is you know, this is the role we have
in line for you, and you know you can take it.
And I doubt it was a take it or leave
it situation, But.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I don't know, just.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I think As I've said many times, there's enough players
in the portal. Mark Pope's a good enough coach that
I have a feeling that they're going to be just fine.
Like I think they'll have another good season, But I
do think missing on players in the portal and even
recruits at times like it may just be because look,
other schools can pay top dollar two and that's gonna matter,
right the days of getting guys because of your brand

(24:36):
being the biggest factor and just being able to play
for a place like Kentucky. There's no death that still
has value, but that can't be a huge part of
your pitch, Like that's really that's a given. Like you
have to understand these guys now have agents, they have representation,
they know where they're going, they know that it would
be an unbelievable experience to play for a program of
that caliber. But like, don't you know, don't enter, don't

(24:59):
don't have me interview for a job at McDonald's if
you want me to work there, and just let me
know about the Golden Arches and how big of a
brand it is and how big of a how big
of a giant that McDonald's is, as they dominate the
fast food chain. I know that going in. What are
you gonna do for me to make me want to
work here? Like this is all transactional now, and I think,
you know, maybe that has nothing to do with why
Wilkerson picked Indiana over Kentucky. But like the only reason

(25:23):
I brought that up is because I remember it stood
out that Pope still was of the belief that like
Kentucky can win out if it's even everywhere, because of
the Kentucky brand, And I just don't think that's accurate.
But you know, apparently they've landed another transfer. This is uh,
let me see, Oh, this is basket, this is women's basketball.

(25:44):
Sorry I thought they landed another player, but it's a
women's player. So anyways, we're out of time. The Bats
are coming up next right here at Sports Talk seven
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