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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
So we've had this conversation before and I don't really
remember the outcome of it. But so the portal closes
on April twenty second for college basketball and I think
and college football players. So with that, does that mean
at midnight tonight it's done. I've always thought.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
That it meant that that day is the last day,
and I think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But either way, as the show started, I thought, okay, well,
most of the guys that we're going to hit the
portal would have already done it, and it's probably, you know,
over there won't be many names hit the portal by
the time you know it officially ends. But I guess
I was wrong. Brandon holy Hatfield, remember him, He's at
the portal. I'm not sure what kind of a kind
of school he's looking to get to, but he made
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some good money here. I'm sure he made money at
inc State, And you know, to me, he was somebody
that I believed would have have been not not beneficial
to stick around like I think it made total sense
for a complete, complete overhaul here and that's really what
was needed to just kind of start fresh. But he
was the one guy, if there's one, that I feel
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like in the in the second season with Kenny Payne,
like you know, the team was a mess and his
numbers probably mean his numbers meant very little because they
came against blowout and blowout losses. But you could tell
he had some skill to him, right he and I
really thought that in C State he would be good
for him. But man, talk about a bad I mean,
he started his career at Tennessee as a freshman, played
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a little bit, then he transferred to Louisville where they
won four games, and then his second season at Louislle
they won eight games and they transferred NC State, and
I this is probably an exaggeration, but in the moment,
I truly felt like watching Louisville up forty or something
at Raleigh against Keats, I thought that NC State team
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at times in that game was the closest thing I'd
seen from a Kenny Payne coach Louisville team just because
they were a mess in every way, but you could
tell they didn't have elite talent. They certainly didn't have
great talent, but like they should not have been nearly
as bad as they were. So Huntley Hatfield Man, he
went from one disaster to another and ended up. You
know that coach has gone now and he's looking for
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a new home.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So and this is what.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Interests me, that I be honest with you, I'm kind
of knee deep into to look it into it during
the break to see what this whole thing is.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But there are two players.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
From Clemson that have hit the portal, and you probably
recognize these names. Jaden Zachary, who is a guard who
started actually Boston College, transferred to Clemson that was there
with Brad Brownwell for the last few years. And then
the big fella, Ian Scheiflin, who does not at all
look like a player, but pretty effective, pretty good player.
Those two guys have hit the portal. And they are
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two guys that do not have eligibility and yet they've
hit the portal, Like, how can you even do that?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Like I feel like you should have.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't even know what the process is to hit
the portal, but like, shouldn't you have to put in
like your your social or something like that, and it'll
determine if you could enter the portal and if you
don't have eligibility, then you can enter. I mean, I
doubt the NSTAA has something that's sophisticated because they can't
do much of anything the way it should be done.
But this is from Pete Nacho's from mon three Sports,
who again earned a lot of a lot of credit
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when it comes to his reporting when he was the
one who actually had it right about Nico and Knoxville,
where his dad's saying that this report is untrue and
calling this reporter names. And yet this guy was absolutely
right and went against the guys, the player's dad and
ended up, you know, sticking to his guns and trusting
his sources, and he was right.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So this is what he reports.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Was told by a source that Clemson is letting Shiflin
and Jaden Zachary enter the portal despite the players not
having any eligibility remaining in case a lawsuit allows players
five years of eligibility. So this is where I mean,
I feel like this is kind of sad. I mean,
I don't blame him, right, if you you know, if
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you've got a chance, you know, why not take a chance.
Just what do you have to lose if it doesn't
work out right, If you get an extra year, then
then hell yeah, I mean you probably a few of
these players you're thinking, yeah, my college career is over,
but you know, why not at least enter the portal
and let things play out. And who knows, maybe I
wake up one day and I realize I can play again,
Like there's no harm in that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
There's just something that's become kind of odd about entering
the portal with no eligibility and no real case to
argue that you should get a waiver to get another year,
you know what I mean, Like one thing, if you
are appaying for a medical red shirt or you're doing
the JUCO thing. I don't think he has a I
don't think he will or should win it. But the
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big fellow from Charleston that is out of eligibility, he's lost.
His lawsuit claims that the NCABLEA should not tell him
he's no longer eligible when he's got a million dollars
on the table to go play somewhere because they're counting
his eligibility when when he was at D two again.
I don't understand how you would even win that, because
the JUCO rule is different, because the ju Juco is
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not a part of the nstable at all, and they're
taking years of eligibility from you that you did not
use under in one of their member institutions. That makes sense.
So D two, it's still in stuble A. I mean,
it should still count. So there's really no harm, I suppose,
And you know, just seeing what happens, right, it's like
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playing the lottery when you buy a ticket for a buck,
Like you know, that's all you lost is a dollar.
If you win, change your life, Like why not do it?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But I don't know, it just seems kind of I mean, again,
maybe as I talk through it here, it's not sad
because again, I'm sure these guys, most of them are aware.
I guess what would make it sad is if they
truly don't know what to do with their life at all,
and they're like just living in complete delusion and denial
that their college career after six or seven years is
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finally over. That's where it would be sad. But I
highly doubt that that's the situation for a lot of
these guys. But Jeff Goodman reports there are six players
in the portal from the ACC that are seeking another year,
and there's no justification as to why they would get
another year other than hoping that the NCAA just decides
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they're gonna give players five years of eligibility just to
do it. I mean, that's isn't that kind of sad? Again,
the naas never seen more beatable in court, right, Like,
it seems like right now you can go do anything
and you just hold you know, you dare him to
kind of challenge you, and if they do, you hire
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a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They lose.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's been pretty routine when it comes to the NCAA's
battles as of late. But these are guys like, for example,
ft and Reed is a big man from wake Forest.
He's played four seasons, one year at LSU one a
Gonzaga to a wake Forest, played in one hundred and
eighteen games. My man, your run is over, your eligibility
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is done. I mean it's time to go be a doctor. Yeah,
refresh that LinkedIn bio brother, Like, come on now, I'm
sure you got your degree. Although I did see something
and I'm not saying this guy didn't have a degree,
But this is one of the downsides of the portal.
I mean, you can still you know, it's worth doing it.
But when you bounce around from school to school, not
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everything's going to transfer to where you may be eligible.
You know, that's a really low bar to be eligible play.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But like you.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Obtaining you know, your degree as far as keeping yourself
on track, like if you're changing mid if you're changing
majors and all that, and certain things transfer and others don't.
You could play four years of college basketball at three
different schools and still be two years away from actually
getting your degree. Again, it's probably is still worth it
because again, you're making a lot of money. And I
would assume a lot of these guys who are transferring
the reason they're doing it is because they're making money.
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So I mean, in four seasons, f Fton Reed played
in an average of twenty nine and a half games.
Lucas Taylor is Syracuse. Don't even know who this guy is.
He's played five seasons, two at Wake, one at Georgia State,
one at Syracuse. Now he's only played ninety one career games.
Eddie Lampkin Junior, this guy's been everywhere. I remember him
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six to eleven, big guy who played at Syracuse last year.
Five seasons, one hundred and thirty seven career games, three
at TCU, one at Colorado, won at Syracuse. My man,
it is over. The run has come to an end.
And you had a hell of a career. I mean
not legendary, but I mean you got to experience awful Syracuse.
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But before that, you know, you were out in beautiful Colorado,
teammates with the one and only Javon Hadley, and then
at TCU played for Jamie Dixon. And I'm sure you
had you know, had a good time there. But it's over. Brother,
starts your life. Ben Middlebrooks n C State, oh four seasons,
two of them were at NC State most recently, and
then two at Clemson. Played one hundred and thirty one
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career games, went to a final four, like you you
should have just walked then.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Jalen Blackman, I remember this guy, by the way, four seasons,
one hundred and nine career games. He played at Grand
Canyon for a year, played at Stetson for two, and
then went at Miami last year. Christian Tucker, he's transferring
out of Cal. One hundred and twenty career games in
four seasons, played three at UTSA and then this last
season at CAL.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean, they're probably gonna get told no. I guess
the question is this, if you realize in your mind,
why not do it? The NCAA has been, you know,
just giving out waivers like crazy lately. Why not try
this again? There's no harm in that. And if you
have a plan post basketball, and you can put that
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plan on hold if you get another year again, there's
no real harm. However, I mean, I feel like it's
embarrassing to these guys. Maybe maybe I'm an a hole
for thinking this is something they should be embarrassed about.
Maybe they shouldn't be embarrassed at all. But like, I
think the more this, the more this is talked about,
allowed like people will really like this is sad. I mean,
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there's a lot more sad stuff going on in the
world today. But I mean Rain Smith, by the way,
is the first response under Jeff Gubbin's sweet that mentioned
all these players in the acc He said, can I
get another year?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Why can't Rain try it? I mean maybe I would
then say it's but here's the answer.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Brain.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Smith is aware of like life like, he's not delusional.
He understands that his runs come to end. He obviously
would would would. I'm sure love to come back to
college if he can. But you know, he's aware that
it's over. So he's joking when he says kind of
get another year. He's not entering the portal. He knows
that college basketball had a good four year career. What also,
I think it's kind of sad is that like Clemson
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under Brad brown Well, which, by the way, if there
was ever any truth that Brad brown Well being a
legitimate candidate in Indiana, that's scary because that guy, I mean,
he made an elite eight last year at Clemson, but
that was a one off. Like Brad burn Well's been
a mid coach at best, and the only time he
wasn't awful, like he somehow survived a really you know,
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awful stretch as their coach. Not awful, but you know,
I mean like he wasn't good by any means, and
every year you'd be like, oh, they're going to bring
him back, and they did for a long time, and
then he started to become more successful in the ACC.
You know, when the league fell off a cliff and
all they really good coaches that been there for a
long time, they moved on. So what's really sad about
Clemson basketball is I feel like they know we're not
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gonna be able to go get a lot of talent
in the portal, and you know, we're probably going to
be back to being Clemson basketball and just being known
for football. So let's just have these guys who helped
us make a run to the Elite eight that are
out of eligibility, that really fit Brad Brown, Well, let's
have them hit the portal and just see what happens,
because that's our best bet of you know, not going
back to being Clemson basketball of old. All right, it's
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coffee and Company. We're feel about Thordon's here on Sports
Talk seven to nine. He've been a busy, busy show
so far. Here on a Monday. Thank you guys for
hanging out with us. Hopefully you had a good Easter weekend.
I know I certainly did and enjoyed Easter Sunday. We
got lucky with the weather. It was supposed to rain
I think at some point Saturday and Sunday, and it
missed us at least it missed me where I was
out and about doing stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So that's always good. You know, you never want a
rainy weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But whenever you kind of just accept it because that's
what the forecast looks like, and then you realize, sure enough,
you're able to get some things in on the weekend
that you didn't expect. There's that spontaneous component to it
that's like, you know what, didn't think I'd be out
here doing this on the weekend here, but hell yeah,
so you know, hopefully you guys had a good Eastern.
All right. We've talked about the NFL Draft today and
we'll continue to do that throughout the week because you know,
we're just a few days away from the draft. And
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when it comes to Tyler Shuck, he continues to be
discussed as a guy that will be one of the
first quarterbacks taken.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And I believe that's the truth.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I guess what it comes down to is that, like
I don't believe this is smoke screen that like, this
guy's not at all on the radar. He's just you know,
there's some kind of a strategy here to put it
out there and see who takes the bait. Like you know,
this is a little bit of I mean, this is
a big time exaggeration when it comes to like a hypothetical,
But like I bet there's been guys in the NFL
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that got drafted and they really just got punked, meaning
the teams that drafted them.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Like, we don't really know.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
What everybody loves about this guy, but man, everybody's talking
about him, and here he is available for us in
the third round.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
We got to take him.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Like, I bet that's happened, because that's how Caddy and like,
you know, paranoid and really, I guess competitive the NFL
is when it comes to this kind of stuff. So
to hear Adam Schefter report today that he's talked to
people who actually believe that Chuck is the best quarterback
in this draft, that's crazy. Now, I don't think that,
you know, I don't think anybody's claiming he's going to
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be taken in the first taken it's the first quarterback.
But what if he was. I mean, he won't be,
but like it'd be crazy. So I think just just
guessing here, that's what we're all doing. I would I
think that a first round pick is probably not likely
at this point, but I think the scenario is this.
It could be a team in the later rounds that
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doesn't need a quarterback right now, but they know they
will soon, and they like him enough to where they're thinking, Okay,
we're not going to let this guy passes by. We
think he's the best quarterback in this draft. And you know,
we never thought he'd be here, but this will keep
us from having to maybe go out and you know,
hope for a much better quarterback class next year in
the draft. So again, I can't remember the last time
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I was a six sided for a draft where I'm
just wanting to see what happens with with the Louisville player. Again,
with Lamar a little different because you know, I just
was you know, the lead up to the draft was like, Oh,
he's gonna be He's gonna be a top fifteen guy, no,
no doubt. I mean he's He's Lamar And sure enough,
like all that yapping about the concerns was clearly true
because he didn't go to the last pick of the draft,
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but clearly that that worked out well for him. All right,
So back to basketball here, A couple people have asked
the same kind of question, and that is, you know,
who is Louisville Like, who are they going to try
to finish out their roster with? And I don't know,
I mean I think the Florida State transfer Jamiir Watkins.
There was a report I believe from Trilie Donovan that
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he was visiting Louisville that sound that that. I don't
think that was true. Louisvill was involved, and I don't
know where they stand as of now. However, he's He's
not somebody that that that visited unless you know, they
kept it super secret.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I wish I had an answer for you.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But for those that you know, I don't think they're
waiting for Casein in order to figure out what they
want to do. I believe they're operating as if they
have Casein. And again, he hasn't put anything out that
I've seen that says like he's entering the portal or anything.
So with the deadline approaching, I mean, I think it'd
be a real big shocker if he doesn't end up
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back at Louisville, because again, he hasn't even hit the
portal yet to be recruited by their schools. So I
would assume right now, whatever it is they're doing behind
the scenes to try to finish out this roster, Pat
Kelsey and his staff are doing that with case and
Pryor being a part of it, and I think that's
what they should be doing. But as far as you know,
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like the best players available, you're looking at PJ. Haggerty,
which by the way, sounds like his four million dollar
price tag as well as wanting to have total point.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Guard duties like that, that's had a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I mean, maybe he gets it somewhere, but a lot
of Jeff Goobman reported that a lot of the big
time schools have already kind of pulled out and and
you know, they're not gonna they're not gonna get in
the sweepstakes there. Our J louis still available and I
haven't heard much about really anything as far as where
he may end up. But yeah, for the most part,
a lot of these guys that are you know, highly
regarded from the portal have already decided where they're going
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to go.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And you know, I would.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Imagine that Louisville's next pieces from the portal will probably
not be guys that are you know, viewed as like
everybody wants, because again, their roster's pretty much set.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Like at guard.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
If you're selling the guard position right now, I mean,
good luck telling somebody you know, like go, good luck
going and getting a really good player that has a
lot of options to come in and be you know,
you could tell them he can compete, and he's gonna
have an opportunity, but they're gonna know that, you know what,
they got this freshman binom coming in, Michael Brown Junior,
and they've added three guards in the portal that clearly
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they prioritize more so than me. So these names, and
I don't even have one to give you off the top,
but like, there's certain names out there that end up
being names you're learning about, like when they commit because
they're just not you know, they're not being pursued by
everybody else. But those end up being really difficult to get,
believe it or not, and they become very valuable. So
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I wish I had answers for you. But as it
stands right now, Louisville still looks like they've got a
roster that should be considered you know, they should be
one of the top ten teams in the country next year,
which is exciting to say. We'll see if it happens.
Talking about it in April doesn't mean it's going to
play out that way, but a good position to be
in and who knows. Maybe if they add more players,
which they certainly will, maybe if it's certain guys, they
could jump up even more.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
All let's do this. Let's get to a quick break.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
We'll try to keep this thing on track to where
we have as much time as possible before we get
out of here.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So stick with us.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
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Speaker 1 (18:42):
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Speaker 2 (18:48):
So as we get closer to the NFL Draft, you'll
continue to hear people referencing some of the biggest bus
that have taken place over the years.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And I think I have a.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Different opinion than a lot of people when it comes
to what makes a draft bust, because, like, for example,
when you bring up in basketball the biggest NBA draft bust,
a lot of people will mention Greg Odin And I'm
not surprised by that. But he got hurt. He didn't plan,
he didn't pan out to be terrible, He had career
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ending injuries and it ruined his career and he you know,
couldn't play anymore. Yeah, technically, I guess you know your
pick was a bust because it didn't work out. But
injuries were the reason he didn't play. It wasn't if
it wasn't as if you evaluated a guy and you
were wrong about his talent. Now, I guess you were
wrong about the sustainability of somebody with that kind of
frame and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
But I just feel like that's so obviously a different thing.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But I guess I'm in the minority because I don't
think other people see it that way. Like, let me
give you another example actually before we do that, when
it comes to the biggest NBA draft bust of all time,
I I don't. I think this guy is so forgettable
and had such a little and I mean little impact
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or even really involvement. Impact would be he didn't have
any impact in the NBA at all, but he had
very little involvement that he's so easy to forget. But
to me, he is without question the biggest draft bust
of any draft, any sport, any level, anytime.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
And that's Anthony Bennett. I mean Anthony Bennett.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I remember was at UNLV and played one season, went
number one overall to the Calves, and I mean he
was out of the NBA all together.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Within two years.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I mean, that's crazy, right, And it wasn't like he
was getting in trouble. It wasn't as if like he
was a you know some guys. It's both like JaMarcus
Russell wasn't nearly as good as anybody thought he was
going to be, but he also did stupid stuff like
not reading the playbook. This guy just wasn't good enough
to play in the NBA at all, and the Calves
drafted him number one overall, and then Braun wanted to
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come back. Therefore it turned into where, you know, quickly,
you just forget he existed. But to me, that is
the biggest bust, because he was taken as the number
one pick overall and he could not play at.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
All in the league. Taken as a reach too.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He was the first guy I can ever remember being
taken early in the draft and not being able to
hide how shocked he was that he got drafted, you
know what I mean, Like it was. I mean, he
was there in attendance and he walked up and that
was a really bad draft, by the way. And here's
here's another thing that like that that I don't think
is fair for certain guys to be listed as as
a as busts. So like Jadavian Clowney, he was the
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number one pick overall, and I would say that he
has not been as good as people thought he was
based off the hype that he had because he had.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
A ton of hype. Yeah, that tackle.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I mean, he's still he's still in the NFL at
least he was as of last year with the Panthers.
But he's he's made Pro Bowls three he made he's
actually a three time Pro Bowl guy. He's second team
All NFL in twenty sixteen. I mean he's been a
very I mean, he's been a good NFL player.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, i'd say so. He's been only ten years.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So like, I don't you know, if you can be
an All Pro and you've played over a decade, you're
not a bust. You you maybe didn't live up to
what the hype was. But that that's a different conversation
than being a bust.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You agree.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
He wasn't Lawrence Taylor or anything, but he was a
serviceable guy when you needed an ed drusher y.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I mean, he's he's he's a guy that I just
don't understand how people put him in the bust category,
and yet and yet they do. And here's another here's
why they do that, and it's another reason why. I
just you know, to me, it's just my opinion and
clearly doesn't mean much of anything because I'm in the minority.
A lot of people view this differently. But if you
look at the twenty fourteen NFL draft, yeah, there's better
players that came after him because he was number one.
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I mean, that wasn't a great draft, but you had
Khalil mack co number five, Mike Evans went number seven.
Oh yeah, I mean Odell Beckham number twelve, twelve, Aaron
Donald number thirteen, which is kind of crazy. So look,
those guys are better, without question. I've had better careers,
but that doesn't make him a bust. Somebody going after
you and being really good doesn't mean in any way
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that you are a bust. I mean, at least in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yes, again, a.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Bust is a guy like man because bust is extreme being.
There's no good way to be called a bust, and
it just gets thrown around loosely. And it also gets
thrown around because of like Jannisante Tokupo was the best
player in the twenty and thirteen draft that we just referenced. Well, like,
if that's the case, everybody was a bust who going
ahead of him? Now again clearly the number one picking
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that draft, Bennett we just discussed.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That's that's big time bust.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And since we're talking about all time bust, another name
that comes in the conversation Purvis Ellison. I'll defend him.
He was the number one pick in the draft. And obviously,
you know, he didn't ever play like a guy that
you looked like that you know, that looked like somebody
worthy of being the number one player taken. But he
also played in the NBA for well over a decade
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and was you know, productive up until you know, his
last few years. And he had a season in nineteen
ninety two where he averaged twenty points in twelve rebounds.
I mean, he was most improved player in ninety two. Again,
he played over ten years, So yeah, he didn't necessarily
play like a guy that you know, you would have
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ever thought would be worthy of being taken as the
number one pick in the draft. But like, if you
play a decade in the NBA, I just think it's
insanity to say that that person is a bust. You know,
hardest to play in the NBA, you know, hard itest
to do for ten years.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And yeah, there's other players that went after him that
that you know ended up having better careers, but you
know not. I mean, I'm looking here at the nineteen
eighty nine draft when Purvis went number one, Danny Ferry
went number two, Shawn Elliott number three, Glenn Rice number four, Jr.
Reid number five, Like all these guys good players, trust me,
I know that, but I don't. I mean, and again,
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a lot of these guys that is referenced were better
than purpose, but not really by that much. I mean,
they had better careers, more memorable. And it's unfortunate because
when you go number one, even if you play ten years.
In fact, the longer you stick around, the more people
are reminded that you were the number one pick and
that you're a bust. Like it's just that'll probably never change.
That's just what comes with being the number one pick
in a draft. But if you think about it, the
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standard is so high for NBA and NFL draft picks.
They go number one, how many do we sit back
and say, yeah, that guy he was worthy of the
number one pick. Like sometimes you got guys, they go
number one based off of a specific team's need, and
the team would probably tell you behind closed doors, Yeah,
if we didn't, you know, we needed this position, the
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next seven picks don't. Therefore, yeah, we get it. He
probably would go number eight, but we need him and
we need it bad. We need somebody to you know,
protect our quarterback on the offensive line, that kind of stuff.
But when it comes to worst NFL draft picks of
all time that went, you know, I mean you're gonna
hear names that obviously, like JaMarcus Russell is certainly up there.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Who well, let me see if I Yeah, so here's
some name like Ryan Leaf.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's a big one obviously, and it's because obviously he
went before Peyton Manning, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, we had a caller that referenced Tim Couch right
now as a bust.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, again, I get it, but I think going back
to a conversation we had earlier, Austin he was set
up for failure in Cleveland like he would he would
have been, And I mean, who will never know, right,
it's the ultimate unknown. But like I don't know what
quarterback could have gone into Cleveland when Tim Couch did,
that would have made them much better.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I'll defend him on that. Yeah, I mean that's
just that, and that's so obvious.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yet it just doesn't get Maybe it's just the jealousy
of a lot of people like you know, average Joe's
like myself that like.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Oh I got stunk.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, I mean, do you know many other Like there's
certain dudes who, Yes, there are certain dudes whose careers
have literally been defined by timing and they went to
a team that no matter, like no matter you could
you could take. This is something Again, I just wish
more people would consider this. There are teams out there
right now that are awful, that are you know, that
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are gonna draft a quarterback maybe or you know, in
a previous year's draft they're terrible and.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They know they got to go pick a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You could take a quarterback that's believed to be maybe
one of the top twelve thirteen in the league. In
that range, you put that quarterback that's played in the league,
that's got a starting spot, that clearly is having some
success because they're continuing. They're believed to be a top
fifteen quarterback. You put that guy in the same spot
that you're putting a rookie quarterback. I bet there's not
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that much of a difference because some of these franchises
and ownership they're inept, like it's not the player, it's
the system. It's it's And that's not to say these
guys would be elite had they gone elsewhere, but like,
good luck making it work if you're drafted by the Jaguars, right, like,
it's just you know, it's how it is. Or the Jets, yeah,
I mean, or the Browns like that. And again it's
not like a one off. It's been like routine. You
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go to certain places at quarterback, you're gonna be screwed,
like the Browns. I mean, if the Browns ever successfully
got it right at quarterback on draft night. No, in fact,
I think the one time they did, they they ended
up letting a diva receiver come in and create a
toxic situation and that let Baker Mayfield kind of get
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a fresh start. And Baker's not elite, but he's better
than any quarterback they've had in a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Quarterback, Yeah, you could win with him. He's a winner.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And then you know, they brought in beck Odell Beckham
and he starts, you know, complaining about Baker and not
getting touches, and yeah, created a toxic situation, so they
decided to part ways with him. And you know, in
all aspects, Breaker Mayfield, that's some of the best, you know,
his story overall, from from beginning to now. I mean
he could in now and he would have I think,
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something you'd see in a movie. I mean maybe not
because of like you know, he hadn't had that big
ultimate NFL moment, but I mean him getting a fresh
start and winning and getting Tampa to the playoffs both
years of as their starter after being you know, basically
written off. I mean, that's a good story. So same
thing with Sam Donald and Geno Smith, Like you get
drafted to the Jets, Please Sam Donald, save our franchise,
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Please Geno Smith, save our franchise, and just get thrown
out their day one and and and they're they're set
up for failure.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
But now they just go to different organizations. It's going
to be able to pamper to them and they actually
have winning cultures. Like I know, the Vikings have never
won a Super Bowl, but they're far, far, far from
a dumpster fire. Team Seahawks have obviously been to Super
Bowl one one, and they're just structurally more contained than
any of the other ones that we just previously mentioned.
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So you could put a quarterback like there that was
once a part of the land of the Dying quarterbacks.
And I think the next one is people are looking
at is the Max Wilson kid, because he's on free
agency right now. Wilson, Zach Wilson, I say, Max Wilson, Yeah,
Sach Wilson, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I mean he's somebody that Again it's the Jets, right,
I mean, yes, So I just put it so the
worst quarterback's biggest busts, I should say as far as
guy's taken really early, I mean to Marcus Russell's is
going to always be number one hit, eighteen touchdowns, twenty
three interceptions. I mean, he was out of the league
in three seasons. Couch I did forget this. He had
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injuries as well. That was a big factor. But again
with even when healthy, and here's what's crazy, maybe he's
somebody also that we throw in there as Okay, yeah
he's a bust, but man, he was injuries.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
He so listen to this.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Again, these are not impressive numbers. He was drafted by
the Browns in nineteen ninety nine. He went twenty three
and thirty seven as a starter, never played again after
two thousand and three. I mean, there's no way to
say that that's good and that's a good, you know,
rundown of his career. But like the Browns were expansion
at the time and they were brand new. Yeah, and
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you know, I just feel like if you look at
him overall, nobody would say, yeah, thek I was a
good quarterback, but you have to consider where he like
the situation. Yeah, more than just that he wasn't good?
Are David Carr? He's easy to forget because he was
on the He was the guy drafted by the expansion Texans,
So like that's just a blur of an arrow when
they started and the Texans launched.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
But he was bad.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And then this is one that I remember in real
time thinking like, dude, this guy he kind of stinks,
and yet he keeps getting opportunities and he keeps like
he's still living off the hype he had early on
in college with Sam Bradford.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, mean, he was taken. Was he number one? I
think he was. He was a Heisman winner.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I mean he he was, and he obviously is the guy.
Would I would attribute his to more injuries he for what?
For whatever reason? Was he ever good though?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
In the NFL. I don't really remember him ever.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like he had a short step with the Vikings that
were undefeated for six and then it then then then
it kind of fell off. But they had drafted they
had traded their number one pick the Vikings. This was
when right after Teddy Bridgewater shredded his knee in practice,
literally two weeks before the season, and the Vikings felt
like they had a pretty decent roster go ahead and
compete because they were about to hand the keys of
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the city over to Teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But they needed a panic really bad.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
So they went out and got Sam Bradford started six
and oh that year and thought that he did really
well and then it kind of fell off. Then the
very next year he has a best career. He has
the best game of his career Monday Night Football against
the Saints, absolutely torches him and then didn't play for
the next two weeks. Turns out that his knee was
shredded and that's where case Keenum came in and led
him through that magic.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Carpet, right.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I could be wrong, but I don't think it was
maybe because of him, but he's just the guy that
comes to mind for a lot of people, including myself,
that he got there. You know, those rookie contracts used
to have so much money on him to where like
the NFL Players Association fought and they got it changed
where you can't have so much of the roster salary
cap allotted to a guy that's trapped it, you know
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what I mean, Like he's one of the I think
he's the last quarterback that got paid an insane amount
of money based off his rookie deal and like he
never really did anything to like, you know, never did
anything with it.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, it never led up to the XBC because he
was throwing four or five hundred yards a game.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just remember watching him in the NFL multiple times
and realizing, like, all, all I haven't heard about this
guy is that he's he's the guy, he's the future,
he's this, you know, he's he's great. And I never
watched him and felt like he was average, Like I
thought he's stunk. But again, you know, I probably didn't
watch closely, and you know, maybe I maybe maybe maybe
it was.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
More injury related.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, maybe if I remember right his his I think
he won the Heisman as junior season. Then there's tons
of hype around him that very next year, and I
think he I think he tore his kyler bone like
the first the first game of the season.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
He may have been out the rest of the year.
I think one that don't quote. Do you remember Josh Rosen.
He's got to be in a conversation right because he
taken over Lamar. He was taken with the tenth pick
in the twenty eighteen draft, and was he was. He
was one of the first guys I remember, like he
came right out of college, right out of high school,
I should say, at UCLA as a freshman and really
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was just I mean, you could you know he was
the California.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Quarterback everybody was raving about. He had everything you need.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He had the size at you know, at six four,
two hundred and fifteen pounds, great arm. Was just bred
to be a quarterback. His whole life showed signs of
that very much so in his freshman year at UCLA
and then it kind of went down from there, like
he it kind of feel like his best season might
have been his freshman season. But then he gets drafted,
and I thought, maybe it's just because I was, you know,
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it had been force fed into our minds that this
guy was the future. I thought he had a chance
to be pretty good. He he played for the Cardinals
one season and started it looks like thirteen games. He
went three and ten as a quarterback. Then he ended
up at Miami and played in three games and or
started three games, lost all three of them, and then
he never played again.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well he only played two three season, so he only
really played one season. Yeah too, I guess because in
Miami he did play nine games but only started three.
And then after that he was with the Niners briefly
in twenty twenty didn't play, and then with the Falcons
he was there for four games in twenty twenty one,
but he never pl light. So, I mean, that's a
guy that's easy to forget. But you're talking about a
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guy that was taken with the tenth pick. Who drafted him,
by the way, was it the Cardinals?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Josh Rosen, Yeah, the Cardinals, And then it was very
the very next year drafted Kyler.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And that's that's something you didn't used
to see a team willing to just walk away from
a huge investment, and you know like that, Like, let
me give you an example, and I'm gonna tie to
my Colts. If the Colts came out and walked away
from Anthony Richardson, it would be big news.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
It would be, you know, be a big piece of news.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
But who would ultimately say that, Like they're like if
they traded up, and this isn't a good year to
do it, but like if there was, when's the last
time you think we had like all the quarterback that
everybody felt like, there's no doubt this guy is not
going to be great. I can't think of him the
last time we had one. Because nowadays, no matter how
highly regarded they are, there's a there's a part of
this process that they get torn down.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Right, Yeah, I believe Burrow you put Let's say.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Let's say Burrow is there and the Colts, after two
years of Richardson, they trade up to get Burrow and
either cut Richardson or trade him or whatever it may be,
Like nobody'd be surprised, right, Like, this is what makes
me mad about the Colts is that they're they're living
and they're living in La la land that this guy's
gonna learn on the job and be successful. There's some
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jobs you can you know, you can learn on the
go and pick it up. Not NFL quarterback. Yeah, guy's
never been a winner at any level as a quarterback.
He's all. He's only there because they're talking about. Oh
he's got this cannon for an arm, and he's so fast,
he's built like a mack truck. Can he throw the
football to his teammates and move the ball downfield? Can
he play without getting hurt? Can't do any of those things?
(36:44):
Last that checked pretty important in that position. But I'm
just a sad Colts fan. All right, quick break, We'll
come back and wrap it up on the other side
right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
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Speaker 2 (36:57):
So finally, at least somebody's planning the situation. Ian Shaiflin
is one of the many guys that have hit the portal,
but no eligibility left, but just seeing what happens.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
He can read the room.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He understands, you know, he has some ability to you know, again,
read the room like see what this looks like. Understand optics,
he says, while I'm putting my options, I said, while
I'm pursuing options on the professional level, I've been advised
due to depending instead of a case is to enter
the portal on the very outside chance more.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Eligibility is allowed. That's at least an explanation.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And that's you know, that makes sense, and I imagine
that's what a lot of these guys are doing.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
But and there's no harm in it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It's just it would be sad if they like are
doing it because they're just trying so desperately to avoid
starting life after, you know, basketball.
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Speaker 2 (38:51):
Say that's so fast, but you got any bets for tonight?
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Of course, let's know what you cook up. I got.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I got Oganaobi twenty points and Josh Hart to have
ten rebounds.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I think I think they came out the border one.
He's a big he's a big rebounding guard, that's for sure. Dude.
I need it. I'm I want. I'm on a heater.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
We need I mad tail just to have fun because
I need some action, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a high scoring game, especially
like with those two teams right there, so it should
be it should it should be fun.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Let's ride.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
All right, We're right here, you guys, enjoy your evening.
Back at it tomorrow, right here on Sports Talk seven
ninety
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
So we've had this conversation before and I don't really
remember the outcome of it. But so the portal closes
on April twenty second for college basketball and I think
and college football players. So with that, does that mean
at midnight tonight it's done. I've always thought.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
That it meant that that day is the last day,
and I think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But either way, as the show started, I thought, okay, well,
most of the guys that we're going to hit the
portal would have already done it, and it's probably, you know,
over there won't be many names hit the portal by
the time you know it officially ends. But I guess
I was wrong. Brandon holy Hatfield, remember him, He's at
the portal. I'm not sure what kind of a kind
of school he's looking to get to, but he made
(01:09):
some good money here. I'm sure he made money at
inc State, And you know, to me, he was somebody
that I believed would have have been not not beneficial
to stick around like I think it made total sense
for a complete, complete overhaul here and that's really what
was needed to just kind of start fresh. But he
was the one guy, if there's one, that I feel
(01:32):
like in the in the second season with Kenny Payne,
like you know, the team was a mess and his
numbers probably mean his numbers meant very little because they
came against blowout and blowout losses. But you could tell
he had some skill to him, right he and I
really thought that in C State he would be good
for him. But man, talk about a bad I mean,
he started his career at Tennessee as a freshman, played
(01:54):
a little bit, then he transferred to Louisville where they
won four games, and then his second season at Louislle
they won eight games and they transferred NC State, and
I this is probably an exaggeration, but in the moment,
I truly felt like watching Louisville up forty or something
at Raleigh against Keats, I thought that NC State team
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at times in that game was the closest thing I'd
seen from a Kenny Payne coach Louisville team just because
they were a mess in every way, but you could
tell they didn't have elite talent. They certainly didn't have
great talent, but like they should not have been nearly
as bad as they were. So Huntley Hatfield Man, he
went from one disaster to another and ended up. You
know that coach has gone now and he's looking for
(02:38):
a new home.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So and this is what.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Interests me, that I be honest with you, I'm kind
of knee deep into to look it into it during
the break to see what this whole thing is.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But there are two players.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
From Clemson that have hit the portal, and you probably
recognize these names. Jaden Zachary, who is a guard who
started actually Boston College, transferred to Clemson that was there
with Brad Brownwell for the last few years. And then
the big fella, Ian Scheiflin, who does not at all
look like a player, but pretty effective, pretty good player.
Those two guys have hit the portal. And they are
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two guys that do not have eligibility and yet they've
hit the portal, Like, how can you even do that?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Like I feel like you should have.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't even know what the process is to hit
the portal, but like, shouldn't you have to put in
like your your social or something like that, and it'll
determine if you could enter the portal and if you
don't have eligibility, then you can enter. I mean, I
doubt the NSTAA has something that's sophisticated because they can't
do much of anything the way it should be done.
But this is from Pete Nacho's from mon three Sports,
who again earned a lot of a lot of credit
(03:43):
when it comes to his reporting when he was the
one who actually had it right about Nico and Knoxville,
where his dad's saying that this report is untrue and
calling this reporter names. And yet this guy was absolutely
right and went against the guys, the player's dad and
ended up, you know, sticking to his guns and trusting
his sources, and he was right.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So this is what he reports.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Was told by a source that Clemson is letting Shiflin
and Jaden Zachary enter the portal despite the players not
having any eligibility remaining in case a lawsuit allows players
five years of eligibility. So this is where I mean,
I feel like this is kind of sad. I mean,
I don't blame him, right, if you you know, if
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you've got a chance, you know, why not take a chance.
Just what do you have to lose if it doesn't
work out right, If you get an extra year, then
then hell yeah, I mean you probably a few of
these players you're thinking, yeah, my college career is over,
but you know, why not at least enter the portal
and let things play out. And who knows, maybe I
wake up one day and I realize I can play again,
Like there's no harm in that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
There's just something that's become kind of odd about entering
the portal with no eligibility and no real case to
argue that you should get a waiver to get another year,
you know what I mean, Like one thing, if you
are appaying for a medical red shirt or you're doing
the JUCO thing. I don't think he has a I
don't think he will or should win it. But the
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big fellow from Charleston that is out of eligibility, he's lost.
His lawsuit claims that the NCABLEA should not tell him
he's no longer eligible when he's got a million dollars
on the table to go play somewhere because they're counting
his eligibility when when he was at D two again.
I don't understand how you would even win that, because
the JUCO rule is different, because the ju Juco is
(05:33):
not a part of the nstable at all, and they're
taking years of eligibility from you that you did not
use under in one of their member institutions. That makes sense.
So D two, it's still in stuble A. I mean,
it should still count. So there's really no harm, I suppose,
And you know, just seeing what happens, right, it's like
(05:53):
playing the lottery when you buy a ticket for a buck,
Like you know, that's all you lost is a dollar.
If you win, change your life, Like why not do it?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But I don't know, it just seems kind of I mean, again,
maybe as I talk through it here, it's not sad
because again, I'm sure these guys, most of them are aware.
I guess what would make it sad is if they
truly don't know what to do with their life at all,
and they're like just living in complete delusion and denial
that their college career after six or seven years is
(06:21):
finally over. That's where it would be sad. But I
highly doubt that that's the situation for a lot of
these guys. But Jeff Goodman reports there are six players
in the portal from the ACC that are seeking another year,
and there's no justification as to why they would get
another year other than hoping that the NCAA just decides
(06:49):
they're gonna give players five years of eligibility just to
do it. I mean, that's isn't that kind of sad? Again,
the naas never seen more beatable in court, right, Like,
it seems like right now you can go do anything
and you just hold you know, you dare him to
kind of challenge you, and if they do, you hire
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a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They lose.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's been pretty routine when it comes to the NCAA's
battles as of late. But these are guys like, for example,
ft and Reed is a big man from wake Forest.
He's played four seasons, one year at LSU one a
Gonzaga to a wake Forest, played in one hundred and
eighteen games. My man, your run is over, your eligibility
(07:31):
is done. I mean it's time to go be a doctor. Yeah,
refresh that LinkedIn bio brother, Like, come on now, I'm
sure you got your degree. Although I did see something
and I'm not saying this guy didn't have a degree,
But this is one of the downsides of the portal.
I mean, you can still you know, it's worth doing it.
But when you bounce around from school to school, not
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everything's going to transfer to where you may be eligible.
You know, that's a really low bar to be eligible play.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But like you.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Obtaining you know, your degree as far as keeping yourself
on track, like if you're changing mid if you're changing
majors and all that, and certain things transfer and others don't.
You could play four years of college basketball at three
different schools and still be two years away from actually
getting your degree. Again, it's probably is still worth it
because again, you're making a lot of money. And I
would assume a lot of these guys who are transferring
the reason they're doing it is because they're making money.
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So I mean, in four seasons, f Fton Reed played
in an average of twenty nine and a half games.
Lucas Taylor is Syracuse. Don't even know who this guy is.
He's played five seasons, two at Wake, one at Georgia State,
one at Syracuse. Now he's only played ninety one career games.
Eddie Lampkin Junior, this guy's been everywhere. I remember him
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six to eleven, big guy who played at Syracuse last year.
Five seasons, one hundred and thirty seven career games, three
at TCU, one at Colorado, won at Syracuse. My man,
it is over. The run has come to an end.
And you had a hell of a career. I mean
not legendary, but I mean you got to experience awful Syracuse.
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But before that, you know, you were out in beautiful Colorado,
teammates with the one and only Javon Hadley, and then
at TCU played for Jamie Dixon. And I'm sure you
had you know, had a good time there. But it's over. Brother,
starts your life. Ben Middlebrooks n C State, oh four seasons,
two of them were at NC State most recently, and
then two at Clemson. Played one hundred and thirty one
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career games, went to a final four, like you you
should have just walked then.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Jalen Blackman, I remember this guy, by the way, four seasons,
one hundred and nine career games. He played at Grand
Canyon for a year, played at Stetson for two, and
then went at Miami last year. Christian Tucker, he's transferring
out of Cal. One hundred and twenty career games in
four seasons, played three at UTSA and then this last
season at CAL.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean, they're probably gonna get told no. I guess
the question is this, if you realize in your mind,
why not do it? The NCAA has been, you know,
just giving out waivers like crazy lately. Why not try
this again? There's no harm in that. And if you
have a plan post basketball, and you can put that
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plan on hold if you get another year again, there's
no real harm. However, I mean, I feel like it's
embarrassing to these guys. Maybe maybe I'm an a hole
for thinking this is something they should be embarrassed about.
Maybe they shouldn't be embarrassed at all. But like, I
think the more this, the more this is talked about,
allowed like people will really like this is sad. I mean,
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there's a lot more sad stuff going on in the
world today. But I mean Rain Smith, by the way,
is the first response under Jeff Gubbin's sweet that mentioned
all these players in the acc He said, can I
get another year?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Why can't Rain try it? I mean maybe I would
then say it's but here's the answer.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Brain.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Smith is aware of like life like, he's not delusional.
He understands that his runs come to end. He obviously
would would would. I'm sure love to come back to
college if he can. But you know, he's aware that
it's over. So he's joking when he says kind of
get another year. He's not entering the portal. He knows
that college basketball had a good four year career. What also,
I think it's kind of sad is that like Clemson
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under Brad brown Well, which, by the way, if there
was ever any truth that Brad brown Well being a
legitimate candidate in Indiana, that's scary because that guy, I mean,
he made an elite eight last year at Clemson, but
that was a one off. Like Brad burn Well's been
a mid coach at best, and the only time he
wasn't awful, like he somehow survived a really you know,
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awful stretch as their coach. Not awful, but you know,
I mean like he wasn't good by any means, and
every year you'd be like, oh, they're going to bring
him back, and they did for a long time, and
then he started to become more successful in the ACC.
You know, when the league fell off a cliff and
all they really good coaches that been there for a
long time, they moved on. So what's really sad about
Clemson basketball is I feel like they know we're not
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gonna be able to go get a lot of talent
in the portal, and you know, we're probably going to
be back to being Clemson basketball and just being known
for football. So let's just have these guys who helped
us make a run to the Elite eight that are
out of eligibility, that really fit Brad Brown, Well, let's
have them hit the portal and just see what happens,
because that's our best bet of you know, not going
back to being Clemson basketball of old. All right, it's
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coffee and Company. We're feel about Thordon's here on Sports
Talk seven to nine. He've been a busy, busy show
so far. Here on a Monday. Thank you guys for
hanging out with us. Hopefully you had a good Easter weekend.
I know I certainly did and enjoyed Easter Sunday. We
got lucky with the weather. It was supposed to rain
I think at some point Saturday and Sunday, and it
missed us at least it missed me where I was
out and about doing stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So that's always good. You know, you never want a
rainy weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But whenever you kind of just accept it because that's
what the forecast looks like, and then you realize, sure enough,
you're able to get some things in on the weekend
that you didn't expect. There's that spontaneous component to it
that's like, you know what, didn't think I'd be out
here doing this on the weekend here, but hell yeah,
so you know, hopefully you guys had a good Eastern.
All right. We've talked about the NFL Draft today and
we'll continue to do that throughout the week because you know,
we're just a few days away from the draft. And
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when it comes to Tyler Shuck, he continues to be
discussed as a guy that will be one of the
first quarterbacks taken.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And I believe that's the truth.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I guess what it comes down to is that, like
I don't believe this is smoke screen that like, this
guy's not at all on the radar. He's just you know,
there's some kind of a strategy here to put it
out there and see who takes the bait. Like you know,
this is a little bit of I mean, this is
a big time exaggeration when it comes to like a hypothetical,
But like I bet there's been guys in the NFL
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that got drafted and they really just got punked, meaning
the teams that drafted them.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Like, we don't really know.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
What everybody loves about this guy, but man, everybody's talking
about him, and here he is available for us in
the third round.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
We got to take him.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Like, I bet that's happened, because that's how Caddy and like,
you know, paranoid and really, I guess competitive the NFL
is when it comes to this kind of stuff. So
to hear Adam Schefter report today that he's talked to
people who actually believe that Chuck is the best quarterback
in this draft, that's crazy. Now, I don't think that,
you know, I don't think anybody's claiming he's going to
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be taken in the first taken it's the first quarterback.
But what if he was. I mean, he won't be,
but like it'd be crazy. So I think just just
guessing here, that's what we're all doing. I would I
think that a first round pick is probably not likely
at this point, but I think the scenario is this.
It could be a team in the later rounds that
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doesn't need a quarterback right now, but they know they
will soon, and they like him enough to where they're thinking, Okay,
we're not going to let this guy passes by. We
think he's the best quarterback in this draft. And you know,
we never thought he'd be here, but this will keep
us from having to maybe go out and you know,
hope for a much better quarterback class next year in
the draft. So again, I can't remember the last time
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I was a six sided for a draft where I'm
just wanting to see what happens with with the Louisville player. Again,
with Lamar a little different because you know, I just
was you know, the lead up to the draft was like, Oh,
he's gonna be He's gonna be a top fifteen guy, no,
no doubt. I mean he's He's Lamar And sure enough,
like all that yapping about the concerns was clearly true
because he didn't go to the last pick of the draft,
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but clearly that that worked out well for him. All right,
So back to basketball here, A couple people have asked
the same kind of question, and that is, you know,
who is Louisville Like, who are they going to try
to finish out their roster with? And I don't know,
I mean I think the Florida State transfer Jamiir Watkins.
There was a report I believe from Trilie Donovan that
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he was visiting Louisville that sound that that. I don't
think that was true. Louisvill was involved, and I don't
know where they stand as of now. However, he's He's
not somebody that that that visited unless you know, they
kept it super secret.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I wish I had an answer for you.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But for those that you know, I don't think they're
waiting for Casein in order to figure out what they
want to do. I believe they're operating as if they
have Casein. And again, he hasn't put anything out that
I've seen that says like he's entering the portal or anything.
So with the deadline approaching, I mean, I think it'd
be a real big shocker if he doesn't end up
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back at Louisville, because again, he hasn't even hit the
portal yet to be recruited by their schools. So I
would assume right now, whatever it is they're doing behind
the scenes to try to finish out this roster, Pat
Kelsey and his staff are doing that with case and
Pryor being a part of it, and I think that's
what they should be doing. But as far as you know,
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like the best players available, you're looking at PJ. Haggerty,
which by the way, sounds like his four million dollar
price tag as well as wanting to have total point.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Guard duties like that, that's had a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I mean, maybe he gets it somewhere, but a lot
of Jeff Goobman reported that a lot of the big
time schools have already kind of pulled out and and
you know, they're not gonna they're not gonna get in
the sweepstakes there. Our J louis still available and I
haven't heard much about really anything as far as where
he may end up. But yeah, for the most part,
a lot of these guys that are you know, highly
regarded from the portal have already decided where they're going
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to go.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And you know, I would.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Imagine that Louisville's next pieces from the portal will probably
not be guys that are you know, viewed as like
everybody wants, because again, their roster's pretty much set.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Like at guard.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
If you're selling the guard position right now, I mean,
good luck telling somebody you know, like go, good luck
going and getting a really good player that has a
lot of options to come in and be you know,
you could tell them he can compete, and he's gonna
have an opportunity, but they're gonna know that, you know what,
they got this freshman binom coming in, Michael Brown Junior,
and they've added three guards in the portal that clearly
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they prioritize more so than me. So these names, and
I don't even have one to give you off the top,
but like, there's certain names out there that end up
being names you're learning about, like when they commit because
they're just not you know, they're not being pursued by
everybody else. But those end up being really difficult to get,
believe it or not, and they become very valuable. So
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I wish I had answers for you. But as it
stands right now, Louisville still looks like they've got a
roster that should be considered you know, they should be
one of the top ten teams in the country next year,
which is exciting to say. We'll see if it happens.
Talking about it in April doesn't mean it's going to
play out that way, but a good position to be
in and who knows. Maybe if they add more players,
which they certainly will, maybe if it's certain guys, they
could jump up even more.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
All let's do this. Let's get to a quick break.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
We'll try to keep this thing on track to where
we have as much time as possible before we get
out of here.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So stick with us.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
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Speaker 2 (18:48):
So as we get closer to the NFL Draft, you'll
continue to hear people referencing some of the biggest bus
that have taken place over the years.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And I think I have a.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Different opinion than a lot of people when it comes
to what makes a draft bust, because, like, for example,
when you bring up in basketball the biggest NBA draft bust,
a lot of people will mention Greg Odin And I'm
not surprised by that. But he got hurt. He didn't plan,
he didn't pan out to be terrible, He had career
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ending injuries and it ruined his career and he you know,
couldn't play anymore. Yeah, technically, I guess you know your
pick was a bust because it didn't work out. But
injuries were the reason he didn't play. It wasn't if
it wasn't as if you evaluated a guy and you
were wrong about his talent. Now, I guess you were
wrong about the sustainability of somebody with that kind of
frame and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
But I just feel like that's so obviously a different thing.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But I guess I'm in the minority because I don't
think other people see it that way. Like, let me
give you another example actually before we do that, when
it comes to the biggest NBA draft bust of all time,
I I don't. I think this guy is so forgettable
and had such a little and I mean little impact
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or even really involvement. Impact would be he didn't have
any impact in the NBA at all, but he had
very little involvement that he's so easy to forget. But
to me, he is without question the biggest draft bust
of any draft, any sport, any level, anytime.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
And that's Anthony Bennett. I mean Anthony Bennett.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I remember was at UNLV and played one season, went
number one overall to the Calves, and I mean he
was out of the NBA all together.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Within two years.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I mean, that's crazy, right, And it wasn't like he
was getting in trouble. It wasn't as if like he
was a you know some guys. It's both like JaMarcus
Russell wasn't nearly as good as anybody thought he was
going to be, but he also did stupid stuff like
not reading the playbook. This guy just wasn't good enough
to play in the NBA at all, and the Calves
drafted him number one overall, and then Braun wanted to
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come back. Therefore it turned into where, you know, quickly,
you just forget he existed. But to me, that is
the biggest bust, because he was taken as the number
one pick overall and he could not play at.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
All in the league. Taken as a reach too.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He was the first guy I can ever remember being
taken early in the draft and not being able to
hide how shocked he was that he got drafted, you
know what I mean, Like it was. I mean, he
was there in attendance and he walked up and that
was a really bad draft, by the way. And here's
here's another thing that like that that I don't think
is fair for certain guys to be listed as as
a as busts. So like Jadavian Clowney, he was the
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number one pick overall, and I would say that he
has not been as good as people thought he was
based off the hype that he had because he had.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
A ton of hype. Yeah, that tackle.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I mean, he's still he's still in the NFL at
least he was as of last year with the Panthers.
But he's he's made Pro Bowls three he made he's
actually a three time Pro Bowl guy. He's second team
All NFL in twenty sixteen. I mean he's been a
very I mean, he's been a good NFL player.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, i'd say so. He's been only ten years.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So like, I don't you know, if you can be
an All Pro and you've played over a decade, you're
not a bust. You you maybe didn't live up to
what the hype was. But that that's a different conversation
than being a bust.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You agree.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
He wasn't Lawrence Taylor or anything, but he was a
serviceable guy when you needed an ed drusher y.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I mean, he's he's he's a guy that I just
don't understand how people put him in the bust category,
and yet and yet they do. And here's another here's
why they do that, and it's another reason why. I
just you know, to me, it's just my opinion and
clearly doesn't mean much of anything because I'm in the minority.
A lot of people view this differently. But if you
look at the twenty fourteen NFL draft, yeah, there's better
players that came after him because he was number one.
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I mean, that wasn't a great draft, but you had
Khalil mack co number five, Mike Evans went number seven.
Oh yeah, I mean Odell Beckham number twelve, twelve, Aaron
Donald number thirteen, which is kind of crazy. So look,
those guys are better, without question. I've had better careers,
but that doesn't make him a bust. Somebody going after
you and being really good doesn't mean in any way
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that you are a bust. I mean, at least in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yes, again, a.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Bust is a guy like man because bust is extreme being.
There's no good way to be called a bust, and
it just gets thrown around loosely. And it also gets
thrown around because of like Jannisante Tokupo was the best
player in the twenty and thirteen draft that we just referenced. Well, like,
if that's the case, everybody was a bust who going
ahead of him? Now again clearly the number one picking
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that draft, Bennett we just discussed.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That's that's big time bust.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And since we're talking about all time bust, another name
that comes in the conversation Purvis Ellison. I'll defend him.
He was the number one pick in the draft. And obviously,
you know, he didn't ever play like a guy that
you looked like that you know, that looked like somebody
worthy of being the number one player taken. But he
also played in the NBA for well over a decade
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and was you know, productive up until you know, his
last few years. And he had a season in nineteen
ninety two where he averaged twenty points in twelve rebounds.
I mean, he was most improved player in ninety two. Again,
he played over ten years, So yeah, he didn't necessarily
play like a guy that you know, you would have
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ever thought would be worthy of being taken as the
number one pick in the draft. But like, if you
play a decade in the NBA, I just think it's
insanity to say that that person is a bust. You know,
hardest to play in the NBA, you know, hard itest
to do for ten years.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And yeah, there's other players that went after him that
that you know ended up having better careers, but you
know not. I mean, I'm looking here at the nineteen
eighty nine draft when Purvis went number one, Danny Ferry
went number two, Shawn Elliott number three, Glenn Rice number four, Jr.
Reid number five, Like all these guys good players, trust me,
I know that, but I don't. I mean, and again,
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a lot of these guys that is referenced were better
than purpose, but not really by that much. I mean,
they had better careers, more memorable. And it's unfortunate because
when you go number one, even if you play ten years.
In fact, the longer you stick around, the more people
are reminded that you were the number one pick and
that you're a bust. Like it's just that'll probably never change.
That's just what comes with being the number one pick
in a draft. But if you think about it, the
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standard is so high for NBA and NFL draft picks.
They go number one, how many do we sit back
and say, yeah, that guy he was worthy of the
number one pick. Like sometimes you got guys, they go
number one based off of a specific team's need, and
the team would probably tell you behind closed doors, Yeah,
if we didn't, you know, we needed this position, the
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next seven picks don't. Therefore, yeah, we get it. He
probably would go number eight, but we need him and
we need it bad. We need somebody to you know,
protect our quarterback on the offensive line, that kind of stuff.
But when it comes to worst NFL draft picks of
all time that went, you know, I mean you're gonna
hear names that obviously, like JaMarcus Russell is certainly up there.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Who well, let me see if I Yeah, so here's
some name like Ryan Leaf.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's a big one obviously, and it's because obviously he
went before Peyton Manning, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, we had a caller that referenced Tim Couch right
now as a bust.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, again, I get it, but I think going back
to a conversation we had earlier, Austin he was set
up for failure in Cleveland like he would he would
have been, And I mean, who will never know, right,
it's the ultimate unknown. But like I don't know what
quarterback could have gone into Cleveland when Tim Couch did,
that would have made them much better.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I'll defend him on that. Yeah, I mean that's
just that, and that's so obvious.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yet it just doesn't get Maybe it's just the jealousy
of a lot of people like you know, average Joe's
like myself that like.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Oh I got stunk.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, I mean, do you know many other Like there's
certain dudes who, Yes, there are certain dudes whose careers
have literally been defined by timing and they went to
a team that no matter, like no matter you could
you could take. This is something Again, I just wish
more people would consider this. There are teams out there
right now that are awful, that are you know, that
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are gonna draft a quarterback maybe or you know, in
a previous year's draft they're terrible and.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They know they got to go pick a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You could take a quarterback that's believed to be maybe
one of the top twelve thirteen in the league. In
that range, you put that quarterback that's played in the league,
that's got a starting spot, that clearly is having some
success because they're continuing. They're believed to be a top
fifteen quarterback. You put that guy in the same spot
that you're putting a rookie quarterback. I bet there's not
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that much of a difference because some of these franchises
and ownership they're inept, like it's not the player, it's
the system. It's it's And that's not to say these
guys would be elite had they gone elsewhere, but like,
good luck making it work if you're drafted by the Jaguars, right, like,
it's just you know, it's how it is. Or the Jets, yeah,
I mean, or the Browns like that. And again it's
not like a one off. It's been like routine. You
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go to certain places at quarterback, you're gonna be screwed,
like the Browns. I mean, if the Browns ever successfully
got it right at quarterback on draft night. No, in fact,
I think the one time they did, they they ended
up letting a diva receiver come in and create a
toxic situation and that let Baker Mayfield kind of get
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a fresh start. And Baker's not elite, but he's better
than any quarterback they've had in a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Quarterback, Yeah, you could win with him. He's a winner.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And then you know, they brought in beck Odell Beckham
and he starts, you know, complaining about Baker and not
getting touches, and yeah, created a toxic situation, so they
decided to part ways with him. And you know, in
all aspects, Breaker Mayfield, that's some of the best, you know,
his story overall, from from beginning to now. I mean
he could in now and he would have I think,
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something you'd see in a movie. I mean maybe not
because of like you know, he hadn't had that big
ultimate NFL moment, but I mean him getting a fresh
start and winning and getting Tampa to the playoffs both
years of as their starter after being you know, basically
written off. I mean, that's a good story. So same
thing with Sam Donald and Geno Smith, Like you get
drafted to the Jets, Please Sam Donald, save our franchise,
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Please Geno Smith, save our franchise, and just get thrown
out their day one and and and they're they're set
up for failure.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
But now they just go to different organizations. It's going
to be able to pamper to them and they actually
have winning cultures. Like I know, the Vikings have never
won a Super Bowl, but they're far, far, far from
a dumpster fire. Team Seahawks have obviously been to Super
Bowl one one, and they're just structurally more contained than
any of the other ones that we just previously mentioned.
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So you could put a quarterback like there that was
once a part of the land of the Dying quarterbacks.
And I think the next one is people are looking
at is the Max Wilson kid, because he's on free
agency right now. Wilson, Zach Wilson, I say, Max Wilson, Yeah,
Sach Wilson, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I mean he's somebody that Again it's the Jets, right,
I mean, yes, So I just put it so the
worst quarterback's biggest busts, I should say as far as
guy's taken really early, I mean to Marcus Russell's is
going to always be number one hit, eighteen touchdowns, twenty
three interceptions. I mean, he was out of the league
in three seasons. Couch I did forget this. He had
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injuries as well. That was a big factor. But again
with even when healthy, and here's what's crazy, maybe he's
somebody also that we throw in there as Okay, yeah
he's a bust, but man, he was injuries.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
He so listen to this.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Again, these are not impressive numbers. He was drafted by
the Browns in nineteen ninety nine. He went twenty three
and thirty seven as a starter, never played again after
two thousand and three. I mean, there's no way to
say that that's good and that's a good, you know,
rundown of his career. But like the Browns were expansion
at the time and they were brand new. Yeah, and
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you know, I just feel like if you look at
him overall, nobody would say, yeah, thek I was a
good quarterback, but you have to consider where he like
the situation. Yeah, more than just that he wasn't good?
Are David Carr? He's easy to forget because he was
on the He was the guy drafted by the expansion Texans,
So like that's just a blur of an arrow when
they started and the Texans launched.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
But he was bad.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And then this is one that I remember in real
time thinking like, dude, this guy he kind of stinks,
and yet he keeps getting opportunities and he keeps like
he's still living off the hype he had early on
in college with Sam Bradford.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, mean, he was taken. Was he number one? I
think he was. He was a Heisman winner.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I mean he he was, and he obviously is the guy.
Would I would attribute his to more injuries he for what?
For whatever reason? Was he ever good though?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
In the NFL. I don't really remember him ever.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like he had a short step with the Vikings that
were undefeated for six and then it then then then
it kind of fell off. But they had drafted they
had traded their number one pick the Vikings. This was
when right after Teddy Bridgewater shredded his knee in practice,
literally two weeks before the season, and the Vikings felt
like they had a pretty decent roster go ahead and
compete because they were about to hand the keys of
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the city over to Teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But they needed a panic really bad.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
So they went out and got Sam Bradford started six
and oh that year and thought that he did really
well and then it kind of fell off. Then the
very next year he has a best career. He has
the best game of his career Monday Night Football against
the Saints, absolutely torches him and then didn't play for
the next two weeks. Turns out that his knee was
shredded and that's where case Keenum came in and led
him through that magic.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Carpet, right.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I could be wrong, but I don't think it was
maybe because of him, but he's just the guy that
comes to mind for a lot of people, including myself,
that he got there. You know, those rookie contracts used
to have so much money on him to where like
the NFL Players Association fought and they got it changed
where you can't have so much of the roster salary
cap allotted to a guy that's trapped it, you know
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what I mean, Like he's one of the I think
he's the last quarterback that got paid an insane amount
of money based off his rookie deal and like he
never really did anything to like, you know, never did
anything with it.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, it never led up to the XBC because he
was throwing four or five hundred yards a game.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just remember watching him in the NFL multiple times
and realizing, like, all, all I haven't heard about this
guy is that he's he's the guy, he's the future,
he's this, you know, he's he's great. And I never
watched him and felt like he was average, Like I
thought he's stunk. But again, you know, I probably didn't
watch closely, and you know, maybe I maybe maybe maybe
it was.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
More injury related.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, maybe if I remember right his his I think
he won the Heisman as junior season. Then there's tons
of hype around him that very next year, and I
think he I think he tore his kyler bone like
the first the first game of the season.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
He may have been out the rest of the year.
I think one that don't quote. Do you remember Josh Rosen.
He's got to be in a conversation right because he
taken over Lamar. He was taken with the tenth pick
in the twenty eighteen draft, and was he was. He
was one of the first guys I remember, like he
came right out of college, right out of high school,
I should say, at UCLA as a freshman and really
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was just I mean, you could you know he was
the California.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Quarterback everybody was raving about. He had everything you need.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He had the size at you know, at six four,
two hundred and fifteen pounds, great arm. Was just bred
to be a quarterback. His whole life showed signs of
that very much so in his freshman year at UCLA
and then it kind of went down from there, like
he it kind of feel like his best season might
have been his freshman season. But then he gets drafted,
and I thought, maybe it's just because I was, you know,
(34:22):
it had been force fed into our minds that this
guy was the future. I thought he had a chance
to be pretty good. He he played for the Cardinals
one season and started it looks like thirteen games. He
went three and ten as a quarterback. Then he ended
up at Miami and played in three games and or
started three games, lost all three of them, and then
he never played again.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well he only played two three season, so he only
really played one season. Yeah too, I guess because in
Miami he did play nine games but only started three.
And then after that he was with the Niners briefly
in twenty twenty didn't play, and then with the Falcons
he was there for four games in twenty twenty one,
but he never pl light. So, I mean, that's a
guy that's easy to forget. But you're talking about a
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guy that was taken with the tenth pick. Who drafted him,
by the way, was it the Cardinals?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Josh Rosen, Yeah, the Cardinals, And then it was very
the very next year drafted Kyler.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And that's that's something you didn't used
to see a team willing to just walk away from
a huge investment, and you know like that, Like, let
me give you an example, and I'm gonna tie to
my Colts. If the Colts came out and walked away
from Anthony Richardson, it would be big news.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
It would be, you know, be a big piece of news.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
But who would ultimately say that, Like they're like if
they traded up, and this isn't a good year to
do it, but like if there was, when's the last
time you think we had like all the quarterback that
everybody felt like, there's no doubt this guy is not
going to be great. I can't think of him the
last time we had one. Because nowadays, no matter how
highly regarded they are, there's a there's a part of
this process that they get torn down.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Right, Yeah, I believe Burrow you put Let's say.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Let's say Burrow is there and the Colts, after two
years of Richardson, they trade up to get Burrow and
either cut Richardson or trade him or whatever it may be,
Like nobody'd be surprised, right, Like, this is what makes
me mad about the Colts is that they're they're living
and they're living in La la land that this guy's
gonna learn on the job and be successful. There's some
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jobs you can you know, you can learn on the
go and pick it up. Not NFL quarterback. Yeah, guy's
never been a winner at any level as a quarterback.
He's all. He's only there because they're talking about. Oh
he's got this cannon for an arm, and he's so fast,
he's built like a mack truck. Can he throw the
football to his teammates and move the ball downfield? Can
he play without getting hurt? Can't do any of those things?
(36:44):
Last that checked pretty important in that position. But I'm
just a sad Colts fan. All right, quick break, We'll
come back and wrap it up on the other side
right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Speaker 2 (36:57):
So finally, at least somebody's planning the situation. Ian Shaiflin
is one of the many guys that have hit the portal,
but no eligibility left, but just seeing what happens.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
He can read the room.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He understands, you know, he has some ability to you know, again,
read the room like see what this looks like. Understand optics,
he says, while I'm putting my options, I said, while
I'm pursuing options on the professional level, I've been advised
due to depending instead of a case is to enter
the portal on the very outside chance more.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Eligibility is allowed. That's at least an explanation.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And that's you know, that makes sense, and I imagine
that's what a lot of these guys are doing.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
But and there's no harm in it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It's just it would be sad if they like are
doing it because they're just trying so desperately to avoid
starting life after, you know, basketball.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
But anyways, let me.
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Speaker 2 (38:51):
Say that's so fast, but you got any bets for tonight?
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Of course, let's know what you cook up. I got.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I got Oganaobi twenty points and Josh Hart to have
ten rebounds.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I think I think they came out the border one.
He's a big he's a big rebounding guard, that's for sure. Dude.
I need it. I'm I want. I'm on a heater.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
We need I mad tail just to have fun because
I need some action, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a high scoring game, especially
like with those two teams right there, so it should
be it should it should be fun.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Let's ride.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
All right, We're right here, you guys, enjoy your evening.
Back at it tomorrow, right here on Sports Talk seven
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