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ninety As you could expect, a lot of reaction to
the NFL Draft, will continue to do that. A lot
of talk about Tyler Shuck in New Orleans. Hated to
see how much the New Orleans fans, New New Orleans
Saints fans seem to not like what their their their
team decided to do as far as their their second
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round pick. I mean again, if you if you're taking
in the second round early as a quarterback, I mean
I have a hard time thinking there's ever a scenario
where that franchise the draft shoe, they're not hiring you
to eventually be their franchise quarterback. It doesn't always work
out that way. But with Derek Carr's injury being I
guess even a little more serious than folks realized, I
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think that was one of the things that was somewhat
of a of a of a news item leading up
to the draft is that his shoulder injury.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean, it's it's not it doesn't look good.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
So that could give Shuck an opportunity and where he
has maybe not the ceiling as a as some other
quarterbacks like a Cam Warder, maybe even a Shadoor Sanders.
I mean, I'd say the floor is really high for him,
and you know, watching him and I know, you know,
it's just one year. I mean, he can make all
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the throws. He's not perfect, but what's really been, you know,
funny And I've not been in any way like triggered
by it because to me, it's funny. It's not I
mean the past that he had in one he had
an interception against Boston College in the first half that
it might be honestly one of the as good as
he was this year, and who knows, maybe he has
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a great NFL career. It might have been one of
the worst interceptions I've ever seen. I think he was
a lot more he just kind of like chucks it. Yeah,
I think he was trying to throw it out of bounds,
but he did a poor attempt at that and it
was like he just underhand lobbed it to somebody to,
you know, to take it the other way. And then
there was there was the pass at the combine that
of course went viral, and obviously those weren't good looks,
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but I mean, he ninety nine percent of the time
looked really good.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And those were clearly outliers. So the tape speaks for itself.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And I don't say that as somebody to try to
act like I can break down film like I'm some
big football guy, but I mean he's good. And that's
why it was a weird year for Louisville fans, because
you had those losses early that made it pretty clear
you were going to have a really, really tough time
competing for the ACC championship and even of course the
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playoff too, and it just kind of felt like, man,
we're we have a really good quarterback who's showing that
he's special, and yet we are losing. And typically Louisville
is able to I mean, some of our biggest season's
biggest moments. I don't want to act like it was
all quarterback play, but I mean we've been really really
spoiled at quarterback. We had that conversation a couple of
weeks ago, just as far as guys that are, you know,
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I mean, some of our worst quarterbacks really weren't that bad.
And when you think of some of the big moments
that Louisville football has had, quarterback play was usually a
big part of it. And this year was again like
it just felt like, man, are we going to end
up having a season that ends up being you know,
mid And it wasn't that. I think it was a
fine season, a good season. Honestly, it wasn't bad. I
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just think we know it could have been a little
bit better. But it really felt like that at times
because we're thinking, Okay, we only get this guy one year.
He's twenty five years old. Let's really try to maximize
what we can do with this guy because he's special,
and you know, I think he's going to have an
early opportunity because I mean, I don't know enough about
the hierarchy of the Saints organization meeting do they let
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a coach have influence on who they want to pick?
But if you hire Kellen Moore as your new head
coach and this is his first season, I mean I
have a hard time thinking that he wasn't somebody advocating
for them to go ahead and take Tyler Schuck. He
wants a quarterback to work with and he probably no
offense to Derek Carr. But even if Derek Carr is healthy,
he's not at this I don't think Carr at this
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point in his career as a guy that you know,
if there's a new head coach coming in, like Kellen Moore,
I mean, he's gonna want his own guy, because if
Derek Carr's poor play his struggles if of course, you
know that was to play out.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Like, it's just the same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
If it's like if you're an athletic director at a school,
if you take over as an AD and you've already
got a coach or you've already got a football coach
that's really not succeeding, you're gonna want to get your
own guys so you can then you know, at least
have some say so. Because again, if you're viewed based
off of somebody you didn't hire, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's that's rough. So if cars out there.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Playing injured or just you know, not being very good
like he's been in recent years, meaning you know he
hasn't been good in recent years, I mean I feel
like Kellen Moore is gonna think, Look, I'm not gonna
My livelihood's at stake here too. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna go down with this guy. I want to
go down my own guy. So we'll see what happens.
But yeah, kind of a bummer to.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
See Schuck.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Be not very not a very popular decision, according you know,
according to most of the Saints fans that were expressing
their opinion on Friday evening. We didn't talk a whole
lot about the others. But Ashton Jalotti also taken on
Friday night. Good situation for him. I mean, he's going
to a really, really good organization that of course has
been insanely successful. I mean, I don't think it's a
stretch to say they've absolutely been a dynasty. They felt
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short in the Super Bowl this year to the Eagles,
but clearly this this Chiefs team, I don't see it.
I mean, I'd be highly shocked if they're not really
really good for years to come. And you know, I
don't know about the depth chart in Kansas City, but
I know Ashton's a talented guy that you know, wouldn't
be shocked if he gets some early reps and makes
an impact, and then also Quincy Riley reunited with with
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Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He was taken on Saturday, early afternoon. So those were
the three level players that were taken. I don't think
there was a fourth.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Was there.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
A lot of guys ended up signing free agent deals,
but one guy that has yet to sign with an
NFL team unless he has done so since the show started.
And I don't really mean to me, there's got to
be something to this, but maybe maybe not. But the
fact that ja Cory Brooks didn't get drafted and then
didn't sign an undrafted free agent deal and then didn't
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even get a rookie mini camp invite again, what do
I know. I'm not somebody that's qualified to evaluate NFL
talent for NFL teams, but I don't. I don't get that.
I really don't. I mean, maybe he doesn't have like
the upside to be an elite receiver at the NFL.
Clearly the NFL didn't see it that way, But you've
got guys that you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Let's just put it in perspective here.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Mark Redman, the tight end who was a reserve last
year for Louisville, did not have a huge role.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
On the offense.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean, he has signed with the with the Rams,
full back Dwayne Martin. He got a rookie mini camp
invite from the Seahawks. There's some other guys too that
have signed. Quarterback Corey Thornton's signed with the Panthers. So again,
je Cory Brooks, I just I mean, he did not
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end up having a whole lot of buzz. In fact,
anything you read about him leading up to the draft,
you know you'd see people highlight the fact that in
the NFL he's going to be a pretty easy guy
to guard, just based off some things that he lacks
that are really needed to be an exceptional receiver. But
he's not even getting like an opportunity. And I mean
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he got an did he get an invite to the combine?
I feel like he did, And I don't remember hearing
that like he had a bad showing, But you know,
I have no insight at all. But for him, again cold,
there's guys who rarely record any stats in college that
at least get a sniff, not even based off of
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like potential, because if you had a lot of potential,
then you probably would have been drafted.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
But like his production. This guy.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
He led Alabama in receiving touchdowns when Bryce Young was
a senior r at Louisville. Although it's a step back
that from Alabama. He was sensational this last year. So
part of me says that there's something we don't know
that it's keeping NFL teams from giving this guy an opportunity.
Maybe that's not fair for me to say, but he
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was too good in college, playing at a really high
level for the majority of his career, and I thought
the Louisville season here was kind of a confirmation that, yeah,
he got hurt, lost his spot at Alabama, because you
know that happens when you're at Alabama, you get hurt.
There's guys waiting in line that picked Alabama over every
school in the country that if they get some reps
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and they get in rhythm, they're not coming out until
they get hurt, you know what I mean. Like, that's
just how it works at Bama. I thought him coming
to Louisville and really performing at a high level would
make it to where he had a chance to get drafted.
But he didn't get drafted and as of right now,
has yet to sign with a team. In any way,
could be his agent maybe realizing, hey, we're better than this.
We're not taking a rookie camp invite. We're gonna we
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want an undrafted free agent deal, and we know our worth.
But at this point, I would say, as we sit
here on Monday afternoon, Slash, you know, I guess it's
not evening yet, but like I feel like if you
don't take an opportunity to, you know, take anything that
comes your way, I don't know what other opportunity is
going to get there. Or we'll talk a little more
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about the NFL Draft coming up here actually before too long,
because I do want to let you guys hear from
different folks that cover the NFL some voices you'll recognize
that after Saturday, I'm sorry, after Friday night, you could
tell they started to get information that they didn't have
directly from their source before the first two days of
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the draft about shad Or Sanders. And to me, hearing
the way should Or and his father handled the entire
pre draft prep didn't surprise.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Me in any way. And hearing how the NFL.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Decided to collectively respond to it and handle it that
also didn't surprise me in any way. And again it
really stood out to me that I didn't really hear
a whole lot of other people acknowledging. And maybe it's
because it's a rather obvious thing that doesn't need to
be said out loud. But imagine thinking the NFL needs you.
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I mean, even if you are a once in a
lifetime talent, which Shudor Sanders is not, the NFL doesn't
need you. You don't control anything. You're an employee.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
They own me.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Like he quite literally handled it in a way that
even if you've got the third pick or whatever it is,
you got to sell me because I'm not coming to
you if you pick me, because I just need to
hear what your plan is for me and why why
I should take the job, And like that's not what
the NFL is, and it's pretty obvious. But again, like
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I don't I'm not calling Deon Sanders a bad dad
because that would be unfair, but I don't think the
way that his dad handled the hype stuff helped his
son in any way.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Because what I feel like would.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Be a no brainer if you're Dion, would be like,
make sure that your kid feels.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Confident in his ability and he's you know, and.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I don't think you'd ever have to worry about that,
to be honest with you, But like, wouldn't it be
a rather obvious thing? And you know, a good piece
of advice for Deon Sanders to like let his kids
know that Dad meaning prime, like he went out there
and became this larger than life figure that could talk
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the talk and carry himself the way he carried himself because.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
He was a bad man.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Deon Sanders is one of the most talented athletic athletes
of all time. I mean, he wasn't just a phenomenal
football player. He also played professional baseball and oh by
the way, he didn't just make the roster, he was
good at that too.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Dion would want to make his kids know that, like,
I didn't just start yapping and become an all time great.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I went out there and I earned it. I proved it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
His kids haven't done that, and yet they carry themselves
like they have their dad's resume, and like, I don't know.
I mean, that's that's the Sanders family fault. And if
it's truly based off like upside potential, yes, it sounds
like he does have that. There's a lot to work
with there, because you know, he's pretty gifted with his jeens, right,
he's Deon Sanders' son. But it doesn't appear that the
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NFL felt like it was worth getting into that in
any way because in order for him to you know,
truly develop and really be a franchise quarterback that handles
things the right way, that that can command the locker
room and be the face of a franchise, there were
seemingly endless red flags that that basically said, you know,
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it's gonna be tough for him to ever be the
guy we need him to be because of all the
baggage essentially. So again, we'll get into that coming up
a little bit later on because I want you guys
to hear some of the some of the sound from that.
But let's talk about the the prank phone calls on
on I guess both Friday and Saturday. It wasn't just
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should or Sanders they got a prank call, but there's
also I think it was the Colts tight end they
drafted in the first round, Tyler Warren, Bill's offensive tackle
they selected Chase Lunt, they also received prank phone calls.
And you know, as much as I've made it pretty clear.
I'm not, you know, real sympathetic for Shad Or Sanders
fall into the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I guess it's when you prank call somebody. I mean,
technically by definition, I guess you know that's a prank.
But that's like, that's such a cruel thing to do.
And I mean, I'm just trying to envision the lead
up to this because we now know who did it, which,
by the way, this is kind of low key in
all time NFL story I think, I mean, just say
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it out loud. The young college son of an NFL
defensive coordinator happened to obtain the list of numbers the
NFL is given before the draft so they can call
and let a player know that they're drafting them. And
they decided to call shit Or Sanders, the most highly
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talked about publicized player in the draft, and prank him
as if he was about to be drafted. Like that's
something from a movie. But that's that's literally what happened.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I feel like you also said last week we haven't
had like a Laromie Tunsil moment.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well this is it.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yes, it didn't play out on television. It was strictly
an internet thing that really just took off. But I'm
not surprised he took off like that because again, like
these are things that you know, I mean, I to me,
I hope I'm using the word correct, Like this is cruel,
this is like this is I mean, I think mean
is an obvious word to use, but it's it's further
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than mean.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Well I did I didn't know until you said it
that they found out it was you said, a defensive
coordinator son of an NFL You.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
No, No, I haven't missed that man.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, so Jack's Olbrooke.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Uh he is the son what twenty one year old
son of Falcons defensive coordinator Jeff Olbrooke. And it's muddy
somebody was able to again, like with the internet now
and social media, I mean, you're gonna you're you're going.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
To you're gonna get tracked.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, and that's what happened because the kids video and
themselves doing it. By the way, I mean, I don't
think it was surely the kid in the video wasn't
the son. So the the kid who got the number,
he's not dumb enough to go on video and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Do it, because like his dad would choke.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Him to death before he could hang up the phone,
because like I mean, people even in people in the
NFL would know, Hey, that's that's probably you know, So
he probably got the number gave it to buddies. I
think that's how they tracked it, is that the kids
that did it, they were able to you know, they
could they I guess, were able to track down who
they were and they realized there was a connection to
Jack's Olbrook, who again is the son of the Falcons
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of the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Divins video around it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I would assume not because he can't be that dumb, right, Like,
he can't be that dumb.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So I thought it was a guy that was calling
him and acting like.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So again like I could be wrong here because I don't.
I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't know him if he
walked in here. But I feel like it wouldn't have
taken that long for us to determine. And I say
us like I did it. But it came out Sunday
that that that it was that it was the Falcon's
defensive coordinator's son that leaked the number. It can't be
him in the video because you can't be that dumb
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like you could you should get this. I mean, if
you are this guy's dad, meaning Jeff Ulbrick, like, I don't,
I mean, I would be so disappointed and embarrassed. Yeah,
I mean, that's some real shameful stuff that there's clearly
no excuse for. And a lot of times people do
dumb stuff that brings embarrassment that you know, they realized
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there was a really stupid mistake and they shouldn't have
done it, and even though it's wrong, you can at
least understand that they Okay, they thought they'd get a
good laugh. They thought this would I don't know, I
don't know, you know, I'm sure you'll find people on
the internet that will really hype this up as, oh,
this was a great joke. But I feel like most people,
even people that you know aren't necessarily good people who
care about others, would acknowledge that's just that's just kind
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of crossing the line as far as being like cruel,
like that's it's it's mean beyond being mean, And there's
been some type of like I think it was Ian
Rappaport who put it out that the NFL and the
Falcons are not seeking any kind of like punishment or
whatever for for the DC with the falcons, which you
know he didn't do it, but like he also somehow
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let that information get compromised, and I don't think him
being fired would have been a big surprise. Now, again,
he didn't do it, and I'm sure he's I mean,
I can't imagine there's a scenario where he doesn't. He's
probably more upset than anybody about it because it's just,
you know, it's connected to him. Like, there's nothing worse
than disappointing your parents. I think the fear of letting
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your parents down is a comfortable thing that you should
like always have. At least that's the way I see it,
because you know, I want to make my parents proud
as a as a man, as a father, that kind
of stuff, and that's one of the things that like
keeps me, you know, trying to be you know, be
a good dude, be a good dad, that kind of stuff. So,
I mean, I don't know what kind of pun I mean,
he's an adult. I don't know how you punish him.
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But what I love is that it's turned into like
people throwing out like there's really no like I think
I might have been stephen A Smith that said if
if he was stephen A who said that, if you know,
despite him being twenty years old, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He is like his dad should whip his ass.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I'm thinking, well, you know, I guess technically he
could do that, and like, you know, like he's a
grown up. I'm sure he would probably try to fight
back and not.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Get beat up.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
But yeah, that was just that was just embarrassing. It
made me realize that whenever we were kids and we
would occasionally prank call people, like, we never did anything
like to this level. We were just you know, having fun, like, hey,
is your refrigerator running?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Better go get it? Like I'm sure we didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Say that, but you know, actually I can tell you
a good story about a prank call we did whenever
I was in high school. We were freshmen at the time,
and we called we called one of my and my
buddy was We called my buddy's dad and he was
there with us and he was like yeah, like he
was cool with it. We thought that it would be
he'd be a good candidate, that would give us a
good laugh. Him not realizing it's a prank call, kind
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of getting his reaction. So we called him at This
is at the time when like you didn't have Netflix,
you didn't have anything like that. You didn't even have
red Box. You had to go rent movies right at
like Blockbuster. And there was a local video store in
our area. I think it was called Video Vault, and
this place had the curtain Austin. You may be too
young to know about the curtain. Oh I know the
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the curtain. So I just wanted to go back there.
So one are my buddies called uh called one of
our buddies dad and told him that he had like
a big late fee.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And that like he you know, they need their money.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And he mentioned, like he made up a bunch of
you know, very inappropriate titles for adult rated movies, and
you know, he mentioned that those were both like two
weeks late and the and instead of like disputing it,
like you got the wrong number or you know, who
the hell is this? You know this is you know,
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could we call them at like midnight too, by the way,
on his house phone, but instead of any dial he says, nope, nope,
I took those back last week. And we just like
we we couldn't stop from laughing, so we just hung
up and that was it. But the best part of
it was that for years, all throughout high school, we
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just assumed, like, damn, he really does like rent a
lot of dirty movies, and he thought like they thought
that he must have just thought that they didn't scan
him as returned yet wow. Like, so we go on
thinking like, this guy really loves to go behind the
curtain at our local video store. And when we graduate.
When we graduated, we all took pictures together outside of
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our high school, you know, the cap and gown pictures,
and he came over, you know, around all of our
other parents, and he came up to the three of us,
and I don't remember what it was he said exactly.
He might have said one of the titles, and we
didn't even remember what we said. That what my buddy
said the title was like he just made up names
that he thought would be an adult porn movie, and
he remembered one of them and mentioned it to us
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and then he laughed, and we were the whole time
he knew it was us.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They never said anything, isn't that good?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
That's good?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Like we just you know, he was comfortable just.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Having us think that he's you know, out here, you know,
I guess there's something wrong with that, but like, I
don't know. I just thought that that So that that's
the level of prank phone call that we did.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Whereas you know what what happened on the NFL Draft night,
Like that's a again.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I I'm I'm romantic about the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I talked about it a lot on Thursday, Like, I
think it'd be one of the coolest moments ever to
find out that you're everything you worked for is coming
true and then for it to just be a gag
like that's it's beyond lame. All right, quick break, We're
about halfway through, so stick with us. This is coffee
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the statement that came in from Jack's Ouelbrook, who is
the son of the Falcons dementsive coordinator. And again I tried,
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I guess not hard enough, but I tried to get
to the bottom of it during the break to see
if he was the actual caller that is on video,
and I really don't. I don't know, but either way,
the Falcons, I mean, they've confirmed that it was in
fact the son of their DC who had the number
and either he called or got it to somebody because
he thought it would be funny. But this is the
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statement from the young man here on Friday night. I
made a tremendous mistake sit or what I did was
completely an excusable, embarrassing, and shameful. I'm so sorry I
took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish.
I could never imagine getting ready to celebrate one of
the greatest moments of your life, and I made a
terrible mistake and messed with that moment. Thank you for
accepting my call earlier today. I hope you can find
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it in your hearts to forgive me. So somebody took
that statement and did a little check for AI content
and it was an entirely AI generated message. So I'm
not going to defend this kid, who you know is
the worst, but he could have. And again, I don't
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know about how you check for AI content as far
as like scanning something to see if because I'm sure
now like if you have to write like papers for class,
I mean, you could use AI and it would probably
be maybe better than your own work.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But there's got to be a way for people.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And I knew there was a I've known of a
way to where people can kind of check to see
if something came from an AI generated platform. But like
maybe he wrote it and then did it did an
AI like spell check or AI rewrite just to make
sure it's it's you know, sending the right message, right.
Maybe maybe AI helped him, you know, you know, more
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carefully craft just how apologetic he was. But I also
think that just any use of AI at all is
going to make your apology not seem really sincere in
any way. But yeah, that was an ald timer, and
you're right, Austin, I said, there really hadn't been like
a crazy you can't make this sub story surrounding the
NFL draft, And you know, we got one, but it
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probably won't be remembered like the grass Mask was with
the Laramie Tunsel, because no, probably not. This draft is
all about shit or Sanders, and you know, we knew
that going in, and the way it played out led
to it. Like had he been taken early in the
first round or maybe at some point anywhere in the
first round, He's not talked about really at all the
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rest of the way, right, other than just acknowledging guys
that were taken. But because he didn't get taken Friday
and he had to wait until the fifth round on Saturday,
I mean, it just became the dominant conversation. And I
just I kept getting so annoyed by everybody acting.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
As if he's been wronged.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And I think most folks that I you know, and
I'm talking about and I'm not talking about mel Kuiper,
because I mean, he was a clown, but and he
kind of always has been.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, the guy's never been.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Good at predicting exactly where teams will go and predicting
who's gonna end up being good or not. Like what
folks have to realize is the people who help cover
the draft for ESPN, NFL Network, whoever, I mean, they're entertainers.
They're not they're not judged off being right or wrong.
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And Kuiper is one of those guys that has often
been really wrong and then set out landish things that
like clearly tells you that he knows that he's there
to entertain, Like, didn't he he'd retire if somebody wasn't
like an all time great quarterback?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah, Jimmy Clawson, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So, like Kuiper's been outspoken and really really strong about
certain players saying certain things because technically that's what ESPN
wants him to do. They don't pay him to be
right about who's going to be great, and they never have.
It's never been really what that is, it's entertainment. And again,
if you just think about the lead up to the
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draft and all the talk that's out there, ask yourself,
why would any NFL team ever share any information about
what they intend to do with anybody. There's no scenario
they could ever help them. In fact, them sharing information,
the only way it could benefit them is to share
fake information knowing that it's going to be spread out
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there and hopes that maybe they can throw somebody off
about what they're gonna do, or maybe they could have
another franchise have second thoughts about what they're going to do,
so then they can swoop in and get a goa.
I mean, look that, I'm sure that's happened a lot
guys on the inside with these NFL teams talking to
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the you know, the talking heads that let us know
about what's gonna happen, what they're hearing when it comes
to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm sure they've dogged players.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
They really like in hopes of it getting out there
that they stink, and then they can swoop in and
take advantage of it. Because if we didn't do that,
he wouldn't have fallen to, you know, pick number thirteen
to us, Like to me, sometimes you just got to
consider what makes sense and what doesn't. So there were
guys like Lou Riddick was one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Burga McFarland.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I think even I think even rich Eisen to an extent,
maybe even Rapaport, that were making it out as if
the NFL had wronged Shad or Sanders. And to go
back to what I said on Friday, once we got
to Day two and he wasn't taken in the first round,
nobody's entitled to be drafted like, the draft is not
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a competition. There's not a scoreboard, there's not stats. The
draft is a decision and it's a job. They hire
who they want to hire, and they can pick whoever
they want. And what kept getting ignored despite it being
a really obvious thing is that he wasn't the top
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quarterback in a really bad quarterback crop apparent according to
everybody else, Like and again it played out that way
right when you don't when when you get past the
second round, maybe even past the third round, if you're
drafting a quarterback, he might end up being your starter,
but you're drafting him to be your backup. I think
Chael Sanders, even on Saturday afternoon, if if grilled about it,
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like in an interview, I don't think he'd be able
to control himself. If if he was asked about being
a backup. I think he probably would just without even thinking,
respond the way you would expect him, respond as if
he's too good for that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
No way he's going to be the starter.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Now, if he says that with the real real message
of he's gonna outwork everybody and he's going to prove
people wrong, that's different. But that's not really what any
I mean, it's really not what they've ever done. But
I thought this this this was from Saturday afternoon, and
I'm sorry, Saturday morning, right before the third right before
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the rest of the draft took place, fourth through the
seventh rounds. And to me, this this made so much sense.
It was so predictable, and it was what I was in.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Trust me.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
This isn't a Hey, I knew everything that was going on,
and you all didn't trust me. I mean, I'm just
I'm just trying to figure out what makes sense here.
And to hear this report from the NFL network, this
made too much sense for it to not be why
he ended up slotting. And if you just you know,
hearing what you're about to hear from Tom Pelisari of
the NFL Network, Pelisara, I should say, hearing everything you
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heard about Shadhor and Dion and then hearing how the
NFL decided to respond to it, none of this should
suppor you in any way. And if it does, here's
what happened to you. You got a little too caught
up in the TMZ type Sanders circus. That sounds like
a real thing, doesn't it. The TMZ Sanders circus I'm
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sure that's not I mean just came up with that
the top of my head, but like that's what this is.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Mike was not a shock within the NFL and team
buildings when Shador Sanders did not go in the first round.
I would fairly tell you it is a surprise that
he is still on the board at the start of
day three. Philosophically, some teams feel like you're drafted at
the quarterback position. Specifically, if you think you got a starter,
you take him in round one. If you're drafting somebody
to be your backup, you don't want to do that
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until day three. I spoke last night with one general
manager who is considering taking Shador Sanders today. He pointed
back all the way to March twenty twenty four and
something that Chador's father, Dion Sanders said on a podcast
talking about Bulls chadur and Travis Hunter, saying that if
they are drafted by team that they don't want to
go to, He's gonna step in and pull an ELI,
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meaning force those players to not actually go to that
team and try to get them traded. Throughout the pre
draft process, Shador Sanders very much proceeded as if he
was dictating to clubs where he was going to go
rather than how the draft works, which is the other
way around. And there were a bunch of opportunities missed
at the various checkpoints through that pre draft process, go
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all the way back to All Star season. Instead of
going to the Senior Bowl, he went to the East
West Shrine Bowl in his backyard in Dallas. Despite an
NFL memo saying if you go to these All Star games,
you have to practice, Shadur chose not to. At the combine,
it has now well documented some of his formal interviews
did not go well. One assistant coach told me, in
all his years, it was the worst formal interview he'd
ever been through. People said that Shador was trying to
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dictate how he wanted things to go and made them
feel small. Even at the Pro Day, the entire Big
Twelve have an event in Dallas. Chadur was there but
did not work out. He had a showcase instead in Colorado.
All of which is to say for a player who
had a variety of questions both about the talent level,
how we would fit into an NFL system, how he
would adjust from his play style in college, but also
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about the potential culture shock for the first time playing
for someone who is not his father. There were opportunities
that Shaduur sators could have taken. There he seemed to
feel as if he was in an elite category where
he could choose the few teams he wanted to go to. Now,
some of those very same teams that might be considering
taking Shaduur today didn't get those opportunities. To answer their
question what teams want on these visits?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
And we so, I mean again, does any of that
surprise you at all?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
It shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I mean, he handled everything as if he was going
to be able to decide wherever he wanted to go
because everybody wanted him, and that's just not reality. Say
what you will about his ability, that's just not reality
of how any of this works. And for no one
to be able to, you know, let him know that
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you're gonna have to go wherever you get taken, because
you should be lucky that somebody wants to take you.
And it's not because it would be like a gift,
like I think if somebody took him it would early.
It would be because they did believe that he had the
upside and potential to be really really good.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But he's not.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
He's never shown at any point that he's got some
ability that like you just will never see again. And
I just to me, I'm thinking, if you if there
are teams that didn't even get the chance to really
vet the situation with you, to see if they wanted
to pick you because you felt like you were too
good and you didn't want to talk to them because
they didn't have an early enough pick. You have nothing.
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You have nobody to blame but yourself as to why
you're still sitting there on day three. This is pretty simple,
Like this is their own fault. He probably would have
been taken earlier had he, you know, understood that. Like
he's not gonna decide these teams decide, and I mean
Dion again, Like I'm pretty sure he thinks he's just
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doing his best to support his son. And this I'm
not saying he's a bad dad, but like, how I mean,
can Dion be surprised whenever he finds out that saying
this led to teams not wanting to take his son.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Teams that I won't allow him to play for Woo.
This is my profession. I know what's behind the curtain.
We ain't got to get back there for me to
understand what's not prominent for my son. I'm not doing it.
He doesn't listen to you. Who, No, you must mean owners,
not my son. Have you told him privately who you
would like for him to play for. It's not like
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who I would like for him to play for. It's
a couple of teams that I won't allow him to
play for.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So again they're delusional. They think that again.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Deon Sanders is one of the best athletes probably ever
when you consider how talented he was and how good
he was at both football, and he was also good
at baseball. Not just a guy who played both, he
was good at both. But that has nothing to do
with his son. I mean they carry themselves as if
the whole family has accomplished what Dion has accomplished. And
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Dion is an acquired taste I think because of his
confidence in himself. Some would say his arrogance, but you
know what, He's actually done, some real things that give
you a good, good indication as to why he feels
the way he feels about himself and what he's done.
I just think it would be a little wise of
him to have let his kids know that he had
to go earn that he had actually do something to
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get there, whereas she'd or it's not a bad quarterback
by any means, But like the notion that like you're
going to be able to dictate at all because you're
that good, that's not living with the rest of the
world in reality.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That's called delusion.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
And there's more that we can play from, you know,
just others sharing what their experience was like when they decide,
you know, when they consider potentially taking him in the draft.
So again, like I guess he can prove a lot
of these guys wrong, but like, I just don't see
how anybody can be surprised that this played out the
way that it did because again, imagine the NFL needing
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any specific player to be successful. They don't quick break
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Speaker 1 (37:09):
Ninety Now back to coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's
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Speaker 3 (37:17):
Wrapping up the four o'clock hour here on a Monday afternoon,
we still got another hour to go, so stick around.
We'll talk a little more derby, not necessarily the race itself,
but the updated prices for a lot of things that
you'll be looking to purchase, although I guess if you are,
I mean, is everything still all inclusive? I feel like
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that's the way they've been doing it the last few years,
which when you buy a ticket, yeah, yeah, which means
which makes sense as to why it's so expensive to
get a ticket. I mean that that really does that
really does make it, you know, kind of pay for itself.
But then again, so if you're there, I guess this,
I would imagine all inclusive is probably just for just
for the Ohlks and Derby No, because you know, like
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there'd be no prices if everybody who gets in with
the ticket had had to pay right like you know,
So anyways, we'll get into that because that you could expect,
like a lot of things, it's it's not cheap, but
I'm of the belief that they could charge whatever for
tickets whatever, and people would pay.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Get you that down, thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean, I maybe I'm wrong, Like clearly you will
price out certain people at a certain at a certain
you know cap But I don't know, Austin, You've been
there on Derby Day and with our credentials we get
access to you know, a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I mean, you can kind of go wherever we want
for the most.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Part, Yes, And I just feel like, yeah, I was like, yeah,
maybe I'm just maybe I'm just judging based off of
like appearance, but like I kind of feel like this
could be triple the price and these people would all
still be here, you know what I.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Mean, like and they would have missed a beat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So and I you know, I I'm not going to
knock Churchill downs because who am I to try to
tell them how to run their business?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
But I think they know that too. By the way,
Like for those that have that have had.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
The complaints, and I think they're they're they're legitimate complaints
that Churchill doesn't really appeal to the average Kentucky and
a native that that you know that used to go
because of the price and everything. Well, you know, it's
their business and they can do whatever they want. And uh,
you know, i'd say that, uh, there's no end in
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sight for their success, right, I mean, they're gonna be,
They're gonna be. I mean, this is something that you know,
I have much more awareness of it now that I
get to you know, I'm in the industry that I'm in,
but it is one of the biggest sporting events on
the planet. So you know, with that, there's really you know,
there's enough people across the planet that enjoy this enough
to where if if you know, they made they made
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it even more expensive.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
People would still be there because it's the thing to do.
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I'm trying to think of boben Field where the private
jets come in. Have you ever seen pictures of that Austin.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yes, I've been over there before when it for Derby
though like whenever, no, no, no, I have it.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
No.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
So a lot of the private jets that come in
for Derby, like you know Tom Brady when he brings
the Patriots and all that, those kind of people they
fly they're private jets over there, and there's pictures from
over the years, and just to see how many of
those jets there are it really because again, like I
feel like if you have a private jet or access
to one of your riding on one, like little old me,
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I just think like, man, you must be a big deal,
you know what I mean. So, like to see the
amount of people who travel here that way makes it
you know, it's one of the many things that kind
of puts it in perspective for me as to just
how big of a deal the Derby is, which again
I'm sure a lot of people listening know that, but yeah,
it's you know what I used to think of Churchill Downs.
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I used to just think about when I would go,
like as a kid, not for Derby, some some oaks,
but just like the visual of the paddock and whatnot,
it just doesn't look like that anymore, and that doesn't
you know, in a way it kind of makes me
sad for like nostalgic reasons, but also like if you've
been over there recently, it looks freaking beautiful, Like the
place is nice as can be. So yeah, I'm getting
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the Derby.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'm getting in the Derby spirit.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
You'll feel it, You'll feel a Friday.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's a big even
if you're like, again, I've made it clear, I'm not
really big into horse racing, just because it's not something
I know a whole lot about and wasn't really exposed
to it a whole lot growing up around here. But
I mean, I think you could be even more anti
horse and I'm not anti.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
It's just you know, I don't think you have.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
To be in any way knowledgeable or give a damn
about horse racing the sport to to just feel the
vibe around this city whenever we get here to this week,
and it's it's a special thing.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So good good stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
All right, we got another hour coming your way, and
I'm hoping that it's some good stuff. We'll get back
into the draft recap because I do think there's more
worth here when it comes to just to me, I
think it's an explanation that really makes total sense, and
maybe we didn't even need the explanation because it was
probably pretty obvious to a lot of people like myself
as to why shid or Sanders slip the way he did. Also,
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a college basketball thing, I want to get into the
acc they're doing something when it comes to basketball to
kind of prove what we all know. I guess what
they're doing is going to prove it. They're not trying
to prove it, but they're going to make a scheduling change,
which again confirms that they realize now that their league
is not very good in hoops and they need to.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Do something about it.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Hour number two here on a Monday, as we get
rby week started, it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
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ninety As you could expect, a lot of reaction to
the NFL Draft, will continue to do that. A lot
of talk about Tyler Shuck in New Orleans. Hated to
see how much the New Orleans fans, New New Orleans
Saints fans seem to not like what their their their
team decided to do as far as their their second
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round pick. I mean again, if you if you're taking
in the second round early as a quarterback, I mean
I have a hard time thinking there's ever a scenario
where that franchise the draft shoe, they're not hiring you
to eventually be their franchise quarterback. It doesn't always work
out that way. But with Derek Carr's injury being I
guess even a little more serious than folks realized, I
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think that was one of the things that was somewhat
of a of a of a news item leading up
to the draft is that his shoulder injury.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean, it's it's not it doesn't look good.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
So that could give Shuck an opportunity and where he
has maybe not the ceiling as a as some other
quarterbacks like a Cam Warder, maybe even a Shadoor Sanders.
I mean, I'd say the floor is really high for him,
and you know, watching him and I know, you know,
it's just one year. I mean, he can make all
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the throws. He's not perfect, but what's really been, you know,
funny And I've not been in any way like triggered
by it because to me, it's funny. It's not I
mean the past that he had in one he had
an interception against Boston College in the first half that
it might be honestly one of the as good as
he was this year, and who knows, maybe he has
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a great NFL career. It might have been one of
the worst interceptions I've ever seen. I think he was
a lot more he just kind of like chucks it. Yeah,
I think he was trying to throw it out of bounds,
but he did a poor attempt at that and it
was like he just underhand lobbed it to somebody to,
you know, to take it the other way. And then
there was there was the pass at the combine that
of course went viral, and obviously those weren't good looks,
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but I mean, he ninety nine percent of the time
looked really good.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And those were clearly outliers. So the tape speaks for itself.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And I don't say that as somebody to try to
act like I can break down film like I'm some
big football guy, but I mean he's good. And that's
why it was a weird year for Louisville fans, because
you had those losses early that made it pretty clear
you were going to have a really, really tough time
competing for the ACC championship and even of course the
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playoff too, and it just kind of felt like, man,
we're we have a really good quarterback who's showing that
he's special, and yet we are losing. And typically Louisville
is able to I mean, some of our biggest season's
biggest moments. I don't want to act like it was
all quarterback play, but I mean we've been really really
spoiled at quarterback. We had that conversation a couple of
weeks ago, just as far as guys that are, you know,
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I mean, some of our worst quarterbacks really weren't that bad.
And when you think of some of the big moments
that Louisville football has had, quarterback play was usually a
big part of it. And this year was again like
it just felt like, man, are we going to end
up having a season that ends up being you know,
mid And it wasn't that. I think it was a
fine season, a good season. Honestly, it wasn't bad. I
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just think we know it could have been a little
bit better. But it really felt like that at times
because we're thinking, Okay, we only get this guy one year.
He's twenty five years old. Let's really try to maximize
what we can do with this guy because he's special,
and you know, I think he's going to have an
early opportunity because I mean, I don't know enough about
the hierarchy of the Saints organization meeting do they let
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a coach have influence on who they want to pick?
But if you hire Kellen Moore as your new head
coach and this is his first season, I mean I
have a hard time thinking that he wasn't somebody advocating
for them to go ahead and take Tyler Schuck. He
wants a quarterback to work with and he probably no
offense to Derek Carr. But even if Derek Carr is healthy,
he's not at this I don't think Carr at this
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point in his career as a guy that you know,
if there's a new head coach coming in, like Kellen Moore,
I mean, he's gonna want his own guy, because if
Derek Carr's poor play his struggles if of course, you
know that was to play out.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Like, it's just the same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
If it's like if you're an athletic director at a school,
if you take over as an AD and you've already
got a coach or you've already got a football coach
that's really not succeeding, you're gonna want to get your
own guys so you can then you know, at least
have some say so. Because again, if you're viewed based
off of somebody you didn't hire, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's that's rough. So if cars out there.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Playing injured or just you know, not being very good
like he's been in recent years, meaning you know he
hasn't been good in recent years, I mean I feel
like Kellen Moore is gonna think, Look, I'm not gonna
My livelihood's at stake here too. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna go down with this guy. I want to
go down my own guy. So we'll see what happens.
But yeah, kind of a bummer to.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
See Schuck.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Be not very not a very popular decision, according you know,
according to most of the Saints fans that were expressing
their opinion on Friday evening. We didn't talk a whole
lot about the others. But Ashton Jalotti also taken on
Friday night. Good situation for him. I mean, he's going
to a really, really good organization that of course has
been insanely successful. I mean, I don't think it's a
stretch to say they've absolutely been a dynasty. They felt
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short in the Super Bowl this year to the Eagles,
but clearly this this Chiefs team, I don't see it.
I mean, I'd be highly shocked if they're not really
really good for years to come. And you know, I
don't know about the depth chart in Kansas City, but
I know Ashton's a talented guy that you know, wouldn't
be shocked if he gets some early reps and makes
an impact, and then also Quincy Riley reunited with with
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Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He was taken on Saturday, early afternoon. So those were
the three level players that were taken. I don't think
there was a fourth.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Was there.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
A lot of guys ended up signing free agent deals,
but one guy that has yet to sign with an
NFL team unless he has done so since the show started.
And I don't really mean to me, there's got to
be something to this, but maybe maybe not. But the
fact that ja Cory Brooks didn't get drafted and then
didn't sign an undrafted free agent deal and then didn't
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even get a rookie mini camp invite again, what do
I know. I'm not somebody that's qualified to evaluate NFL
talent for NFL teams, but I don't. I don't get that.
I really don't. I mean, maybe he doesn't have like
the upside to be an elite receiver at the NFL.
Clearly the NFL didn't see it that way, But you've
got guys that you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Let's just put it in perspective here.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Mark Redman, the tight end who was a reserve last
year for Louisville, did not have a huge role.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
On the offense.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean, he has signed with the with the Rams,
full back Dwayne Martin. He got a rookie mini camp
invite from the Seahawks. There's some other guys too that
have signed. Quarterback Corey Thornton's signed with the Panthers. So again,
je Cory Brooks, I just I mean, he did not
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end up having a whole lot of buzz. In fact,
anything you read about him leading up to the draft,
you know you'd see people highlight the fact that in
the NFL he's going to be a pretty easy guy
to guard, just based off some things that he lacks
that are really needed to be an exceptional receiver. But
he's not even getting like an opportunity. And I mean
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he got an did he get an invite to the combine?
I feel like he did, And I don't remember hearing
that like he had a bad showing, But you know,
I have no insight at all. But for him, again cold,
there's guys who rarely record any stats in college that
at least get a sniff, not even based off of
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like potential, because if you had a lot of potential,
then you probably would have been drafted.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
But like his production. This guy.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
He led Alabama in receiving touchdowns when Bryce Young was
a senior r at Louisville. Although it's a step back
that from Alabama. He was sensational this last year. So
part of me says that there's something we don't know
that it's keeping NFL teams from giving this guy an opportunity.
Maybe that's not fair for me to say, but he
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was too good in college, playing at a really high
level for the majority of his career, and I thought
the Louisville season here was kind of a confirmation that, yeah,
he got hurt, lost his spot at Alabama, because you
know that happens when you're at Alabama, you get hurt.
There's guys waiting in line that picked Alabama over every
school in the country that if they get some reps
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and they get in rhythm, they're not coming out until
they get hurt, you know what I mean. Like, that's
just how it works at Bama. I thought him coming
to Louisville and really performing at a high level would
make it to where he had a chance to get drafted.
But he didn't get drafted and as of right now,
has yet to sign with a team. In any way,
could be his agent maybe realizing, hey, we're better than this.
We're not taking a rookie camp invite. We're gonna we
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want an undrafted free agent deal, and we know our worth.
But at this point, I would say, as we sit
here on Monday afternoon, Slash, you know, I guess it's
not evening yet, but like I feel like if you
don't take an opportunity to, you know, take anything that
comes your way, I don't know what other opportunity is
going to get there. Or we'll talk a little more
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about the NFL Draft coming up here actually before too long,
because I do want to let you guys hear from
different folks that cover the NFL some voices you'll recognize
that after Saturday, I'm sorry, after Friday night, you could
tell they started to get information that they didn't have
directly from their source before the first two days of
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the draft about shad Or Sanders. And to me, hearing
the way should Or and his father handled the entire
pre draft prep didn't surprise.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Me in any way. And hearing how the NFL.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Decided to collectively respond to it and handle it that
also didn't surprise me in any way. And again it
really stood out to me that I didn't really hear
a whole lot of other people acknowledging. And maybe it's
because it's a rather obvious thing that doesn't need to
be said out loud. But imagine thinking the NFL needs you.
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I mean, even if you are a once in a
lifetime talent, which Shudor Sanders is not, the NFL doesn't
need you. You don't control anything. You're an employee.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
They own me.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Like he quite literally handled it in a way that
even if you've got the third pick or whatever it is,
you got to sell me because I'm not coming to
you if you pick me, because I just need to
hear what your plan is for me and why why
I should take the job, And like that's not what
the NFL is, and it's pretty obvious. But again, like
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I don't I'm not calling Deon Sanders a bad dad
because that would be unfair, but I don't think the
way that his dad handled the hype stuff helped his
son in any way.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Because what I feel like would.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Be a no brainer if you're Dion, would be like,
make sure that your kid feels.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Confident in his ability and he's you know, and.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I don't think you'd ever have to worry about that,
to be honest with you, But like, wouldn't it be
a rather obvious thing? And you know, a good piece
of advice for Deon Sanders to like let his kids
know that Dad meaning prime, like he went out there
and became this larger than life figure that could talk
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the talk and carry himself the way he carried himself because.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
He was a bad man.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Deon Sanders is one of the most talented athletic athletes
of all time. I mean, he wasn't just a phenomenal
football player. He also played professional baseball and oh by
the way, he didn't just make the roster, he was
good at that too.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Dion would want to make his kids know that, like,
I didn't just start yapping and become an all time great.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I went out there and I earned it. I proved it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
His kids haven't done that, and yet they carry themselves
like they have their dad's resume, and like, I don't know.
I mean, that's that's the Sanders family fault. And if
it's truly based off like upside potential, yes, it sounds
like he does have that. There's a lot to work
with there, because you know, he's pretty gifted with his jeens, right,
he's Deon Sanders' son. But it doesn't appear that the
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NFL felt like it was worth getting into that in
any way because in order for him to you know,
truly develop and really be a franchise quarterback that handles
things the right way, that that can command the locker
room and be the face of a franchise, there were
seemingly endless red flags that that basically said, you know,
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it's gonna be tough for him to ever be the
guy we need him to be because of all the
baggage essentially. So again, we'll get into that coming up
a little bit later on because I want you guys
to hear some of the some of the sound from that.
But let's talk about the the prank phone calls on
on I guess both Friday and Saturday. It wasn't just
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should or Sanders they got a prank call, but there's
also I think it was the Colts tight end they
drafted in the first round, Tyler Warren, Bill's offensive tackle
they selected Chase Lunt, they also received prank phone calls.
And you know, as much as I've made it pretty clear.
I'm not, you know, real sympathetic for Shad Or Sanders
fall into the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I guess it's when you prank call somebody. I mean,
technically by definition, I guess you know that's a prank.
But that's like, that's such a cruel thing to do.
And I mean, I'm just trying to envision the lead
up to this because we now know who did it, which,
by the way, this is kind of low key in
all time NFL story I think, I mean, just say
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it out loud. The young college son of an NFL
defensive coordinator happened to obtain the list of numbers the
NFL is given before the draft so they can call
and let a player know that they're drafting them. And
they decided to call shit Or Sanders, the most highly
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talked about publicized player in the draft, and prank him
as if he was about to be drafted. Like that's
something from a movie. But that's that's literally what happened.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I feel like you also said last week we haven't
had like a Laromie Tunsil moment.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well this is it.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yes, it didn't play out on television. It was strictly
an internet thing that really just took off. But I'm
not surprised he took off like that because again, like
these are things that you know, I mean, I to me,
I hope I'm using the word correct, Like this is cruel,
this is like this is I mean, I think mean
is an obvious word to use, but it's it's further
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than mean.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Well I did I didn't know until you said it
that they found out it was you said, a defensive
coordinator son of an NFL You.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
No, No, I haven't missed that man.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, so Jack's Olbrooke.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Uh he is the son what twenty one year old
son of Falcons defensive coordinator Jeff Olbrooke. And it's muddy
somebody was able to again, like with the internet now
and social media, I mean, you're gonna you're you're going.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
To you're gonna get tracked.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, and that's what happened because the kids video and
themselves doing it. By the way, I mean, I don't
think it was surely the kid in the video wasn't
the son. So the the kid who got the number,
he's not dumb enough to go on video and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Do it, because like his dad would choke.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Him to death before he could hang up the phone,
because like I mean, people even in people in the
NFL would know, Hey, that's that's probably you know, So
he probably got the number gave it to buddies. I
think that's how they tracked it, is that the kids
that did it, they were able to you know, they
could they I guess, were able to track down who
they were and they realized there was a connection to
Jack's Olbrook, who again is the son of the Falcons
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of the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Divins video around it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I would assume not because he can't be that dumb, right, Like,
he can't be that dumb.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So I thought it was a guy that was calling
him and acting like.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So again like I could be wrong here because I don't.
I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't know him if he
walked in here. But I feel like it wouldn't have
taken that long for us to determine. And I say
us like I did it. But it came out Sunday
that that that it was that it was the Falcon's
defensive coordinator's son that leaked the number. It can't be
him in the video because you can't be that dumb
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like you could you should get this. I mean, if
you are this guy's dad, meaning Jeff Ulbrick, like, I don't,
I mean, I would be so disappointed and embarrassed. Yeah,
I mean, that's some real shameful stuff that there's clearly
no excuse for. And a lot of times people do
dumb stuff that brings embarrassment that you know, they realized
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there was a really stupid mistake and they shouldn't have
done it, and even though it's wrong, you can at
least understand that they Okay, they thought they'd get a
good laugh. They thought this would I don't know, I
don't know, you know, I'm sure you'll find people on
the internet that will really hype this up as, oh,
this was a great joke. But I feel like most people,
even people that you know aren't necessarily good people who
care about others, would acknowledge that's just that's just kind
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of crossing the line as far as being like cruel,
like that's it's it's mean beyond being mean, And there's
been some type of like I think it was Ian
Rappaport who put it out that the NFL and the
Falcons are not seeking any kind of like punishment or
whatever for for the DC with the falcons, which you
know he didn't do it, but like he also somehow
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let that information get compromised, and I don't think him
being fired would have been a big surprise. Now, again,
he didn't do it, and I'm sure he's I mean,
I can't imagine there's a scenario where he doesn't. He's
probably more upset than anybody about it because it's just,
you know, it's connected to him. Like, there's nothing worse
than disappointing your parents. I think the fear of letting
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your parents down is a comfortable thing that you should
like always have. At least that's the way I see it,
because you know, I want to make my parents proud
as a as a man, as a father, that kind
of stuff, and that's one of the things that like
keeps me, you know, trying to be you know, be
a good dude, be a good dad, that kind of stuff. So,
I mean, I don't know what kind of pun I mean,
he's an adult. I don't know how you punish him.
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But what I love is that it's turned into like
people throwing out like there's really no like I think
I might have been stephen A Smith that said if
if he was stephen A who said that, if you know,
despite him being twenty years old, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He is like his dad should whip his ass.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I'm thinking, well, you know, I guess technically he
could do that, and like, you know, like he's a
grown up. I'm sure he would probably try to fight
back and not.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Get beat up.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
But yeah, that was just that was just embarrassing. It
made me realize that whenever we were kids and we
would occasionally prank call people, like, we never did anything
like to this level. We were just you know, having fun, like, hey,
is your refrigerator running?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Better go get it? Like I'm sure we didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Say that, but you know, actually I can tell you
a good story about a prank call we did whenever
I was in high school. We were freshmen at the time,
and we called we called one of my and my
buddy was We called my buddy's dad and he was
there with us and he was like yeah, like he
was cool with it. We thought that it would be
he'd be a good candidate, that would give us a
good laugh. Him not realizing it's a prank call, kind
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of getting his reaction. So we called him at This
is at the time when like you didn't have Netflix,
you didn't have anything like that. You didn't even have
red Box. You had to go rent movies right at
like Blockbuster. And there was a local video store in
our area. I think it was called Video Vault, and
this place had the curtain Austin. You may be too
young to know about the curtain. Oh I know the
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the curtain. So I just wanted to go back there.
So one are my buddies called uh called one of
our buddies dad and told him that he had like
a big late fee.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And that like he you know, they need their money.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And he mentioned, like he made up a bunch of
you know, very inappropriate titles for adult rated movies, and
you know, he mentioned that those were both like two
weeks late and the and instead of like disputing it,
like you got the wrong number or you know, who
the hell is this? You know this is you know,
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could we call them at like midnight too, by the way,
on his house phone, but instead of any dial he says, nope, nope,
I took those back last week. And we just like
we we couldn't stop from laughing, so we just hung
up and that was it. But the best part of
it was that for years, all throughout high school, we
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just assumed, like, damn, he really does like rent a
lot of dirty movies, and he thought like they thought
that he must have just thought that they didn't scan
him as returned yet wow. Like, so we go on
thinking like, this guy really loves to go behind the
curtain at our local video store. And when we graduate.
When we graduated, we all took pictures together outside of
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our high school, you know, the cap and gown pictures,
and he came over, you know, around all of our
other parents, and he came up to the three of us,
and I don't remember what it was he said exactly.
He might have said one of the titles, and we
didn't even remember what we said. That what my buddy
said the title was like he just made up names
that he thought would be an adult porn movie, and
he remembered one of them and mentioned it to us
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and then he laughed, and we were the whole time
he knew it was us.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They never said anything, isn't that good?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
That's good?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Like we just you know, he was comfortable just.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Having us think that he's you know, out here, you know,
I guess there's something wrong with that, but like, I
don't know. I just thought that that So that that's
the level of prank phone call that we did.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Whereas you know what what happened on the NFL Draft night,
Like that's a again.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I I'm I'm romantic about the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I talked about it a lot on Thursday, Like, I
think it'd be one of the coolest moments ever to
find out that you're everything you worked for is coming
true and then for it to just be a gag
like that's it's beyond lame. All right, quick break, We're
about halfway through, so stick with us. This is coffee
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the statement that came in from Jack's Ouelbrook, who is
the son of the Falcons dementsive coordinator. And again I tried,
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I guess not hard enough, but I tried to get
to the bottom of it during the break to see
if he was the actual caller that is on video,
and I really don't. I don't know, but either way,
the Falcons, I mean, they've confirmed that it was in
fact the son of their DC who had the number
and either he called or got it to somebody because
he thought it would be funny. But this is the
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statement from the young man here on Friday night. I
made a tremendous mistake sit or what I did was
completely an excusable, embarrassing, and shameful. I'm so sorry I
took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish.
I could never imagine getting ready to celebrate one of
the greatest moments of your life, and I made a
terrible mistake and messed with that moment. Thank you for
accepting my call earlier today. I hope you can find
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it in your hearts to forgive me. So somebody took
that statement and did a little check for AI content
and it was an entirely AI generated message. So I'm
not going to defend this kid, who you know is
the worst, but he could have. And again, I don't
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know about how you check for AI content as far
as like scanning something to see if because I'm sure
now like if you have to write like papers for class,
I mean, you could use AI and it would probably
be maybe better than your own work.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But there's got to be a way for people.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And I knew there was a I've known of a
way to where people can kind of check to see
if something came from an AI generated platform. But like
maybe he wrote it and then did it did an
AI like spell check or AI rewrite just to make
sure it's it's you know, sending the right message, right.
Maybe maybe AI helped him, you know, you know, more
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carefully craft just how apologetic he was. But I also
think that just any use of AI at all is
going to make your apology not seem really sincere in
any way. But yeah, that was an ald timer, and
you're right, Austin, I said, there really hadn't been like
a crazy you can't make this sub story surrounding the
NFL draft, And you know, we got one, but it
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probably won't be remembered like the grass Mask was with
the Laramie Tunsel, because no, probably not. This draft is
all about shit or Sanders, and you know, we knew
that going in, and the way it played out led
to it. Like had he been taken early in the
first round or maybe at some point anywhere in the
first round, He's not talked about really at all the
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rest of the way, right, other than just acknowledging guys
that were taken. But because he didn't get taken Friday
and he had to wait until the fifth round on Saturday,
I mean, it just became the dominant conversation. And I
just I kept getting so annoyed by everybody acting.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
As if he's been wronged.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And I think most folks that I you know, and
I'm talking about and I'm not talking about mel Kuiper,
because I mean, he was a clown, but and he
kind of always has been.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, the guy's never been.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Good at predicting exactly where teams will go and predicting
who's gonna end up being good or not. Like what
folks have to realize is the people who help cover
the draft for ESPN, NFL Network, whoever, I mean, they're entertainers.
They're not they're not judged off being right or wrong.
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And Kuiper is one of those guys that has often
been really wrong and then set out landish things that
like clearly tells you that he knows that he's there
to entertain, Like, didn't he he'd retire if somebody wasn't
like an all time great quarterback?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah, Jimmy Clawson, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So, like Kuiper's been outspoken and really really strong about
certain players saying certain things because technically that's what ESPN
wants him to do. They don't pay him to be
right about who's going to be great, and they never have.
It's never been really what that is, it's entertainment. And again,
if you just think about the lead up to the
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draft and all the talk that's out there, ask yourself,
why would any NFL team ever share any information about
what they intend to do with anybody. There's no scenario
they could ever help them. In fact, them sharing information,
the only way it could benefit them is to share
fake information knowing that it's going to be spread out
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there and hopes that maybe they can throw somebody off
about what they're gonna do, or maybe they could have
another franchise have second thoughts about what they're going to do,
so then they can swoop in and get a goa.
I mean, look that, I'm sure that's happened a lot
guys on the inside with these NFL teams talking to
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the you know, the talking heads that let us know
about what's gonna happen, what they're hearing when it comes
to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm sure they've dogged players.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
They really like in hopes of it getting out there
that they stink, and then they can swoop in and
take advantage of it. Because if we didn't do that,
he wouldn't have fallen to, you know, pick number thirteen
to us, Like to me, sometimes you just got to
consider what makes sense and what doesn't. So there were
guys like Lou Riddick was one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Burga McFarland.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I think even I think even rich Eisen to an extent,
maybe even Rapaport, that were making it out as if
the NFL had wronged Shad or Sanders. And to go
back to what I said on Friday, once we got
to Day two and he wasn't taken in the first round,
nobody's entitled to be drafted like, the draft is not
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a competition. There's not a scoreboard, there's not stats. The
draft is a decision and it's a job. They hire
who they want to hire, and they can pick whoever
they want. And what kept getting ignored despite it being
a really obvious thing is that he wasn't the top
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quarterback in a really bad quarterback crop apparent according to
everybody else, Like and again it played out that way
right when you don't when when you get past the
second round, maybe even past the third round, if you're
drafting a quarterback, he might end up being your starter,
but you're drafting him to be your backup. I think
Chael Sanders, even on Saturday afternoon, if if grilled about it,
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like in an interview, I don't think he'd be able
to control himself. If if he was asked about being
a backup. I think he probably would just without even thinking,
respond the way you would expect him, respond as if
he's too good for that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
No way he's going to be the starter.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Now, if he says that with the real real message
of he's gonna outwork everybody and he's going to prove
people wrong, that's different. But that's not really what any
I mean, it's really not what they've ever done. But
I thought this this this was from Saturday afternoon, and
I'm sorry, Saturday morning, right before the third right before
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the rest of the draft took place, fourth through the
seventh rounds. And to me, this this made so much sense.
It was so predictable, and it was what I was in.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Trust me.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
This isn't a Hey, I knew everything that was going on,
and you all didn't trust me. I mean, I'm just
I'm just trying to figure out what makes sense here.
And to hear this report from the NFL network, this
made too much sense for it to not be why
he ended up slotting. And if you just you know,
hearing what you're about to hear from Tom Pelisari of
the NFL Network, Pelisara, I should say, hearing everything you
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heard about Shadhor and Dion and then hearing how the
NFL decided to respond to it, none of this should
suppor you in any way. And if it does, here's
what happened to you. You got a little too caught
up in the TMZ type Sanders circus. That sounds like
a real thing, doesn't it. The TMZ Sanders circus I'm
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sure that's not I mean just came up with that
the top of my head, but like that's what this is.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Mike was not a shock within the NFL and team
buildings when Shador Sanders did not go in the first round.
I would fairly tell you it is a surprise that
he is still on the board at the start of
day three. Philosophically, some teams feel like you're drafted at
the quarterback position. Specifically, if you think you got a starter,
you take him in round one. If you're drafting somebody
to be your backup, you don't want to do that
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until day three. I spoke last night with one general
manager who is considering taking Shador Sanders today. He pointed
back all the way to March twenty twenty four and
something that Chador's father, Dion Sanders said on a podcast
talking about Bulls chadur and Travis Hunter, saying that if
they are drafted by team that they don't want to
go to, He's gonna step in and pull an ELI,
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meaning force those players to not actually go to that
team and try to get them traded. Throughout the pre
draft process, Shador Sanders very much proceeded as if he
was dictating to clubs where he was going to go
rather than how the draft works, which is the other
way around. And there were a bunch of opportunities missed
at the various checkpoints through that pre draft process, go
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all the way back to All Star season. Instead of
going to the Senior Bowl, he went to the East
West Shrine Bowl in his backyard in Dallas. Despite an
NFL memo saying if you go to these All Star games,
you have to practice, Shadur chose not to. At the combine,
it has now well documented some of his formal interviews
did not go well. One assistant coach told me, in
all his years, it was the worst formal interview he'd
ever been through. People said that Shador was trying to
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dictate how he wanted things to go and made them
feel small. Even at the Pro Day, the entire Big
Twelve have an event in Dallas. Chadur was there but
did not work out. He had a showcase instead in Colorado.
All of which is to say for a player who
had a variety of questions both about the talent level,
how we would fit into an NFL system, how he
would adjust from his play style in college, but also
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about the potential culture shock for the first time playing
for someone who is not his father. There were opportunities
that Shaduur sators could have taken. There he seemed to
feel as if he was in an elite category where
he could choose the few teams he wanted to go to. Now,
some of those very same teams that might be considering
taking Shaduur today didn't get those opportunities. To answer their
question what teams want on these visits?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
And we so, I mean again, does any of that
surprise you at all?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
It shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I mean, he handled everything as if he was going
to be able to decide wherever he wanted to go
because everybody wanted him, and that's just not reality. Say
what you will about his ability, that's just not reality
of how any of this works. And for no one
to be able to, you know, let him know that
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you're gonna have to go wherever you get taken, because
you should be lucky that somebody wants to take you.
And it's not because it would be like a gift,
like I think if somebody took him it would early.
It would be because they did believe that he had the
upside and potential to be really really good.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But he's not.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
He's never shown at any point that he's got some
ability that like you just will never see again. And
I just to me, I'm thinking, if you if there
are teams that didn't even get the chance to really
vet the situation with you, to see if they wanted
to pick you because you felt like you were too
good and you didn't want to talk to them because
they didn't have an early enough pick. You have nothing.
(34:32):
You have nobody to blame but yourself as to why
you're still sitting there on day three. This is pretty simple,
Like this is their own fault. He probably would have
been taken earlier had he, you know, understood that. Like
he's not gonna decide these teams decide, and I mean
Dion again, Like I'm pretty sure he thinks he's just
(34:54):
doing his best to support his son. And this I'm
not saying he's a bad dad, but like, how I mean,
can Dion be surprised whenever he finds out that saying
this led to teams not wanting to take his son.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Teams that I won't allow him to play for Woo.
This is my profession. I know what's behind the curtain.
We ain't got to get back there for me to
understand what's not prominent for my son. I'm not doing it.
He doesn't listen to you. Who, No, you must mean owners,
not my son. Have you told him privately who you
would like for him to play for. It's not like
(35:31):
who I would like for him to play for. It's
a couple of teams that I won't allow him to
play for.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So again they're delusional. They think that again.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Deon Sanders is one of the best athletes probably ever
when you consider how talented he was and how good
he was at both football, and he was also good
at baseball. Not just a guy who played both, he
was good at both. But that has nothing to do
with his son. I mean they carry themselves as if
the whole family has accomplished what Dion has accomplished. And
(36:04):
Dion is an acquired taste I think because of his
confidence in himself. Some would say his arrogance, but you
know what, He's actually done, some real things that give
you a good, good indication as to why he feels
the way he feels about himself and what he's done.
I just think it would be a little wise of
him to have let his kids know that he had
to go earn that he had actually do something to
(36:25):
get there, whereas she'd or it's not a bad quarterback
by any means, But like the notion that like you're
going to be able to dictate at all because you're
that good, that's not living with the rest of the
world in reality.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That's called delusion.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
And there's more that we can play from, you know,
just others sharing what their experience was like when they decide,
you know, when they consider potentially taking him in the draft.
So again, like I guess he can prove a lot
of these guys wrong, but like, I just don't see
how anybody can be surprised that this played out the
way that it did because again, imagine the NFL needing
(37:02):
any specific player to be successful. They don't quick break
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Speaker 3 (37:17):
Wrapping up the four o'clock hour here on a Monday afternoon,
we still got another hour to go, so stick around.
We'll talk a little more derby, not necessarily the race itself,
but the updated prices for a lot of things that
you'll be looking to purchase, although I guess if you are,
I mean, is everything still all inclusive? I feel like
(37:39):
that's the way they've been doing it the last few years,
which when you buy a ticket, yeah, yeah, which means
which makes sense as to why it's so expensive to
get a ticket. I mean that that really does that
really does make it, you know, kind of pay for itself.
But then again, so if you're there, I guess this,
I would imagine all inclusive is probably just for just
for the Ohlks and Derby No, because you know, like
(38:03):
there'd be no prices if everybody who gets in with
the ticket had had to pay right like you know,
So anyways, we'll get into that because that you could expect,
like a lot of things, it's it's not cheap, but
I'm of the belief that they could charge whatever for
tickets whatever, and people would pay.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Get you that down, thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean, I maybe I'm wrong, Like clearly you will
price out certain people at a certain at a certain
you know cap But I don't know, Austin, You've been
there on Derby Day and with our credentials we get
access to you know, a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I mean, you can kind of go wherever we want
for the most.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Part, Yes, And I just feel like, yeah, I was like, yeah,
maybe I'm just maybe I'm just judging based off of
like appearance, but like I kind of feel like this
could be triple the price and these people would all
still be here, you know what I.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Mean, like and they would have missed a beat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So and I you know, I I'm not going to
knock Churchill downs because who am I to try to
tell them how to run their business?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
But I think they know that too. By the way,
Like for those that have that have had.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
The complaints, and I think they're they're they're legitimate complaints
that Churchill doesn't really appeal to the average Kentucky and
a native that that you know that used to go
because of the price and everything. Well, you know, it's
their business and they can do whatever they want. And uh,
you know, i'd say that, uh, there's no end in
(39:31):
sight for their success, right, I mean, they're gonna be,
They're gonna be. I mean, this is something that you know,
I have much more awareness of it now that I
get to you know, I'm in the industry that I'm in,
but it is one of the biggest sporting events on
the planet. So you know, with that, there's really you know,
there's enough people across the planet that enjoy this enough
to where if if you know, they made they made
(39:53):
it even more expensive.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
People would still be there because it's the thing to do.
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I'm trying to think of boben Field where the private
jets come in. Have you ever seen pictures of that Austin.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yes, I've been over there before when it for Derby
though like whenever, no, no, no, I have it.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
No.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
So a lot of the private jets that come in
for Derby, like you know Tom Brady when he brings
the Patriots and all that, those kind of people they
fly they're private jets over there, and there's pictures from
over the years, and just to see how many of
those jets there are it really because again, like I
feel like if you have a private jet or access
to one of your riding on one, like little old me,
(40:34):
I just think like, man, you must be a big deal,
you know what I mean. So, like to see the
amount of people who travel here that way makes it
you know, it's one of the many things that kind
of puts it in perspective for me as to just
how big of a deal the Derby is, which again
I'm sure a lot of people listening know that, but yeah,
it's you know what I used to think of Churchill Downs.
(40:55):
I used to just think about when I would go,
like as a kid, not for Derby, some some oaks,
but just like the visual of the paddock and whatnot,
it just doesn't look like that anymore, and that doesn't
you know, in a way it kind of makes me
sad for like nostalgic reasons, but also like if you've
been over there recently, it looks freaking beautiful, Like the
place is nice as can be. So yeah, I'm getting
(41:18):
the Derby.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'm getting in the Derby spirit.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
You'll feel it, You'll feel a Friday.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's a big even
if you're like, again, I've made it clear, I'm not
really big into horse racing, just because it's not something
I know a whole lot about and wasn't really exposed
to it a whole lot growing up around here. But
I mean, I think you could be even more anti
horse and I'm not anti.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
It's just you know, I don't think you have.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
To be in any way knowledgeable or give a damn
about horse racing the sport to to just feel the
vibe around this city whenever we get here to this week,
and it's it's a special thing.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So good good stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
All right, we got another hour coming your way, and
I'm hoping that it's some good stuff. We'll get back
into the draft recap because I do think there's more
worth here when it comes to just to me, I
think it's an explanation that really makes total sense, and
maybe we didn't even need the explanation because it was
probably pretty obvious to a lot of people like myself
as to why shid or Sanders slip the way he did. Also,
(42:14):
a college basketball thing, I want to get into the
acc they're doing something when it comes to basketball to
kind of prove what we all know. I guess what
they're doing is going to prove it. They're not trying
to prove it, but they're going to make a scheduling change,
which again confirms that they realize now that their league
is not very good in hoops and they need to.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Do something about it.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
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