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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's time for coffee and company fueled by Thornton's on
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, let's get to five o'clock hour. Started here
on a Monday afternoon. Derby Week is here, and that's
certainly exciting. It is coffee and company. I hope you
knew that. One thing I know that you have to
be aware of is that we are fueled by Thornton's
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friends over at Thornton's. And I started the show talking
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just about, you know, Derby Week being here and the excitement.
And I haven't done much of looking into the field
just yet, but after doing just a little bit of
that during the show during the commercial breaks, I now
know which horse I'm all in on, and this is
I think this was released earlier today, maybe so I
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imagine maybe it's changed, but actually I'll pull up and
get updated odds here before you know, before too long.
But I like horses that you know, have a good story.
Maybe not the horses themselves, but you know, the owners,
the trainers, that kind of stuff. That's what really hooks me.
And because I've never and probably will never be someone
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that is considered to be even average at picking winners
and that kind of stuff. When in horse racing, you know,
to me, it's all luck, and that's okay. Like, you know,
I think a lot of gambling is luck, and I
choose to be it that way because it keeps me
from ever having the mindset of, like, you know what,
this is pretty pretty easy. I mean, maybe I don't
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need a job with a salary and you know benefits,
like I can just I can just gamble. Have ever explained,
Austin why I have that mindset of, like, just remind
yourself that it's all luck, and then you'll just realize,
you know, expect, expect the worst, hope, you know, hope
for the best. So if you win, it's great. Because
when I went to the boat the first time, Caesar's.
(02:05):
I still call it the boat, but a lot of
people do you still do too? Right? Yeah, I say,
brothers in arms, you and I in the boat.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'll sometimes slip up and say Caesar's, but we all
know it's a boat.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, it's the boat. OG's no, But I went when
my wife turned twenty one, her her father took us
in some family and We celebrated her birthday there, and
it was the first time that I'd ever been to
like a casino where you can gamble oh okay, and
I played blackjack. And by the way, my wife's just
a little bit younger than me. In fact, I was
twenty one when she turned twenty one, but I just
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turned twenty one like four months prior. So we were
there and I brought like forty bucks when it comes
to blackjack, actually a bout forty bucks. Not knowing what
I was going to do, and of all the games
that you know that were available to play, blackjack intimidated
me the least. So I decided to play the easy game,
and within like twenty minutes, I went from forty bucks
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to like two hundred and six. Oh, let's go. So
I just walked away and I was like nope, I mean,
I'm I'm up, like this is this is awesome. And
then like we're leaving the casino and I'm thinking like
that was the easiest money ever made, thinking like that,
you know, I made money, I earned money. I mean,
I guess technically I did, but like there was no
awareness of, you know, for me, that that was luck.
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I'm like, I mean, I'm good. I'm good at this game.
I need to start doing this to help, you know,
support my family that I didn't have at the time.
I was just like, this is this is too easy
for me to not make money. I got to keep
doing it. So a couple of weeks go by, and
I had a buddy who he was really getting into
going and gambling, playing poker, that kind of stuff. He's
much more into it than I was. And I was like, yeah,
I want to go play some blackjack. So this time
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I took like eighty bucks. It was gone in five minutes,
all of it. So then I was like, never doing
that again. And that it's kept me able to kind
of understand that like gambling is for entertainment. It is fun,
you know, like losing, oh yeah, but the ride until
you either win or lose is still something that is
it's it's entertainment. So that's why, you know, when it
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comes to betting on sports, I think it's all luck too.
But at least whenever I've got you know, a sport,
college basketball, college football, the NFL, at least I know
enough about those things to where I can at least
convince myself that if I do win. It wasn't just
luck man. You know your stuff, Nick, you really took
it to the books this weekend. It's not reality, but
at least it makes it more fun. So slot machine
to me is just luck. So I don't really enjoy it.
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I'm not knocking anybody. I know people enjoy it, but
to me, it's just, you know, I feel like it's
just wasting money. So that's the way I've you horse racing,
like I just you know, it's fun to pick something
and see if it happens, and if it does win,
you know, it's great. But I have not had many
winners in my lifetime. So again that when it comes
to picking who I want to bet on, it's not
just about oh well, I like the name. Sometimes I
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will pick it based off that. If I don't have
a whole lot of time, if we're talking about being
at Churchill all day and you know, I'm just looking
at the program. But this story like this to me
is a sign for me. So I don't know if
I've talked about it a whole lot recently, but over
the years, if you listen even a little bit, like
I'm a documentary nerd, I love documentary series. I love
documentary movies. There's probably not many you could recommend that
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I haven't seen, like it is what I enjoy watching binging,
Like if I'm going to the gym, that's where I
watch most of my stuff that I stream. Like if
I'm gonna go get a few miles in on the treadmill,
I'll find a documentary and I'll just get lost in
that and that'll keep me from, like, you know, thinking
about that I'm running and I'm about to die. And
one of the best documentaries that I've seen is one
that I don't really think a lot of people even
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know about it, and it's one that when I do share,
hey you should check this out, Like a lot of
people have never heard of it. So I really go
above and beyond, like, hey, I'm telling you you have
to find this. It's and it's rotated from being on
different streaming services. I think I watched on Netflix, no joke,
like twelve years ago, like it was it was. It
was released in two thousand and twelve. So here here's
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the story. And it almost seems unreal because this day
and age this would not be possible at all, but
it is possible. So my horse that I'm going with
is a Bafford horse, and it's one that you've probably
heard about. Rodriguez. Yes, so sire is authentic and again
it's Bafford. It's also the owners are SF Racing, Starlight Racing,
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Matdict Stables, and you know, you can check out that
information if you'd like. I'm just trying to give you
a little bit of info that you know may mean
something to you, but for me, I don't really know
a lot about that. But hey, Bob Bafford, you know,
he's a known name and he's had a lot of success.
But that's not what has hooked me. It's the name
as to how this horse became Rodriguez. That's what's got
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me because it's actually named after the person the documentary featured.
So let me read here directly. This is from the
Courier Journal, says Bafford is set to return to the
Kentucky Derby for the first time since twenty twenty one.
He was suspended three years following this qualification of Medina
Spirit from the twenty twenty one Kentucky Derby. Both of
Rodriguez's victories have come in wire to wire fashion, and
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he figures to be at or near the front early
in the hockey Derby the Horses named for six Stough Rodriguez,
an American musician who gained fame in South Africa, Australia,
and New Zealand. So let me give you the gist
of this documentary. It's called Searching for Sugarman. So six
Stough Rodriguez he had a song I think called Sugarman,
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and he had very little success in music in Detroit
long long ago, like in the late sixties, early seventies,
might have been more so the seventies, but listen to
this story, Austin, it's crazy. So he ended up kind
of flaming out, had a record deal and he had
a song I think it was called Sugarman, and it
ended up you know, I mean it was kind of like,
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I guess, maybe a one hit wonder, but really not
even that because it wasn't that big of a hit. Well,
somehow his music ended up getting really really popular in
South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. So he was a
legend and they just called him Sugarman because of the song.
They played it on the radio. It was a humongous hit,
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but he never knew the internet didn't exist. He kind
of once he didn't have initial success as a musician,
he just faded into obscurity. He spent some time homeless.
He just was roaming the streets in Detroit and had
some odd jobs. And the tales just became wild about
whatever happened to him, Like most just assumed he was dead.
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There started to be different stories about some elaborate, crazy
way he died because he's some legendary figure, when in reality,
he's just he's just living kind of as a you know,
kind he's kind of panhandling in Detroit, just trying to
make ends meet. He work construction, had a daughter but
wasn't really active in her life growing up. And all
the while you've got Australia, New Zealand and South Africa
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like he's a legend when it comes to music. Well,
somebody realized this guy may actually be alive, and they
found him and he was just living in some abandoned
building in Detroit, if my memory is correct, and they
ended up like showing him like you're a legend, like
you like you had the most played song on the
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radio this specific year in New Zealand. And here he
is probably feeling like not a super successful person, probably
maybe having thoughts of being a failure try to be
a musician that didn't work out, and now he's just
kind of he's tried to make ends meet for the
last I don't know thirty years of his life. And
then he realizes, holy crap, like they don't know me,
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but they know my music and they love me. So
the people who put the documentary together they bring him
to I think it might have been South Africa, and
he ends up like he becomes a story there. He
has a show in front of like thousands upon thousands
of people, like an arena, and I just think that's
insane that this guy became I mean, it kind of
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begs the question like can you consider that successful because
you know he he didn't, he didn't even know it.
And another factor that I should have mentioned that that
that sort of led to him, like he's when he
released the the his first and only album and the
song that became really popular in those countries, he had
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signed to a record label that that was a bunch
of crooks, so like they owned all the rights to
his music, so he couldn't do anything with it. Therefore,
when when when they're when they're trying to figure out,
like who is this guy? This song's amazing, it's become
a big hit on the radio in South Africa, Australia
and New Zealand because of the record label being shut down,
like they had the only way for them to to
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know is okay, what record label released this album? And
it would come back to a record label that was
defunct that didn't exist anymore. So, like there was really
no trace of him anything documentation wise, as far as
the music and the you know, the licensing, that kind
of stuff was all from a company that folded that
like had he had. There was nothing about there was
nothing at all about him, And I just thought, like,
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you can't make this stuff up. That wouldn't happen this
day and age just because of the Internet, right, Like
it would be impossible. No, But he was, you know,
he was super seccess I mean, imagine finding out decades
later that you didn't fail. You in fact became like
I mean initially when it became a big deal years
and years ago, not long after like he released his music,
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they tried to, like people wanted to get in touch
with him, to like bring him, to bring him to
their country, and have him do shows like he was
a big deal, but they could never find him. And
that's whenever they just assumed he was dead, because they
would try to contact this record label that didn't exist.
And then they did something in the documentary. I haven't
seen it in a long time, but they did track
down somebody that was like affiliated with that record company
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at some point and claimed that like any request to
like talk to him, they would have just ignored. And
I just thought that was at something you can't make up.
And that's what the horse is named his name. The
horses named Rodrigo Rodriguez because of six Though Rodriguez. Who
is this musician who the documentary it's called Searching for Sugarman,
because again, without really any way to figure out who
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it is they're listening to, they may have known that
his name was six Till Rodriguez, but I don't think
they did actually, because if you listen to people who like,
you know, really were around in those countries when that
music and when his song became a big deal, they
just called him Sugarman. And that's and again it's been
so long since I've seen it, I'm pretty sure that's
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why the documentary is titled searching for Sugarman because they
didn't know his name. And I think at one point,
and I'm getting I don't want to make it too confusing,
but I think at one point they they thought that
they figured out who he was, and then they realized
for like ten years, no, that wasn't him, that's a
different guy. I mean, that's crazy. So I don't know
if this horse is gonna win, and if it does,
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it won't be because I had any ability to like,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I kind of like him now.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But isn't that a good story?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah? I love me a good name story.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, so there you go. That's my horse. I'm rolling
with Rodriguez, do you have I mean, again you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I like sam Man, but I also feel.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like metallicas send a bunch of gear to the to
the stable. Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's they're they're huge, you're big into it. I also
love Metallica too, so who doesn't. That's America kid, It's
great stuff. And the other one is a long shot,
but American Promise because it's Dad is Justify, one of
the greatest horses ever. So I love that one. Uh
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my dad who I also go to a lot. He
seems to like h he seems to like Owen Almighty.
I think he just likes that name. I haven't got
too much about it, but that Owen Almighty is pretty good.
And just also the group chat or when I talked
to the in laws last week after the Derby betting preview,
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this is what they said. This comes from their mouth
when I started trying to gauge them on what they
thought like, who they thought like the favorites would be,
and of course Journalism was up there, and this came
from their mouth. If Journalism doesn't win, it's a fluke race.
If he doesn't win, it will be because something crazy happened.
But which is which is crazy to hear, but at
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the same time like that, it's the Derby's a perfect
place for weird stuff to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh yeah, And we went from nothing goes perfectly. I mean,
I think we went from having many, many years consecutively
of like, well, the favorites are going to keep winning it,
and it's it's gonna make it less interesting. And then
we've had some real long shots or just you know,
maybe not the favorite, maybe not super long shots. So
I mean, I thought, anytime you feel like, well, you
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know this thing is because for so long we just
assumed and I'm not alone here, and what do I know.
I'm not somebody that you know, keeps up with horse
racing even a little bit. But for decades, there was
the belief that, yeah, it's just not possible anymore to
ever envision somebody winning the Triple Crown, because you know,
it's just it's just not realistic this day and age,
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because it hadn't happened in so long. And then we
had two in what like a five six year stretch,
and like those are those are things that I think
are good for everything about horse racing and the Derby
because you know, maybe we go another I don't know
however many I don't know what the draft was as
far as how many years, but like, who knows, maybe
we have another one and then we'll be surprised to
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see that there are you know, back to back winners
or something like that. So real quick, before we get
to our next break, and I promise you we're gonna
reset some stuff with the NFL draft, because I just
I think it's worth hearing more about what led to
the big slide and I'm not sure if it was
a slide for Shit or Sanders. But when you hear
NFL folks now tell after the draft some people behind
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the scenes what they you know, what the experience was
like in vetting should or Sanders. I mean, I mean,
it makes sense why they would say, yeah, you know,
we're going to pass. We're not really that interested anyway,
but if he comes with this much baggage and all that,
then you know we'll pass. All right, quick break, we'll
come back, keep it rolling along. What it costs to
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get a mint julip or Oaks lily, I mean, even
if it was the best alcoholic drink ever, I'm not
sure with my budget. You know, I work in radio.
I could justify the expense, give me a cheap bush Light.
But we'll talk about the prices this year. If you're
gonna be going without a ticket, that includes you know,
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all you can eat, food and drink. Stick around right
here on Sports Talk seven.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Ninety Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
So the story might have influenced my opinion on the
song a little bit, but like I like it. Oh,
that's a vibe. You could tell this guy's like an artist,
you know what I mean, Like and sugar that he's
that he's wanting is you know, cocaine, boogo boogersh sugar
as they say, and like I don't know, again, not
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to get artsy fartsy on you guys, but like sugarman,
something about bringing the color to my dreams. Like that's
to me, that's like, I don't know, it's art, it's
artist artistry.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It sounds like a rambling man just telling that music. Yeah,
I mean, and and here one night, gone the next.
You're not a documentary guy, I don't think. But if
you ever do, I enjoy them. Okay, well, if you
ever do want to check one out. I mean, even
though you know the premise of it, I think the
layers to it are it's just fascinating and uh, to
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to see you know, him, not just realize that like
oh wow, like my music ended up here and there's
people that really liked it. He encountered people who for
like their whole life, they've idolized him, not knowing who
he is, but I guess his music and like they
were emotional to know that, like he isn't dead and
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here he is, and like, it's just a powerful thing.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I do believe that not only did this happen
because of the era that that you know, the seventies, eighties,
nineties was it wouldn't be possible for this to happen
now because of you know, the Internet of the digital world,
but also think the timing of when this story became
a thing and they made a documentary on it, I
kind of feel like it would be a bigger it
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would be a bit more of a known thing now.
Like if Netflix did this whole story themselves and uncovered
it and like made it the front of their dashboard
when you log into Netflix, I think it would have
captivated people so much because of like again, it's something
you can't make up. But for those who missed it,
there's a documentary called Searching for Sugarman that it's about
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a guy who was really famous in countries for his music,
but he had no clue and you know, he found
out many many years later. And that guy's name was
was his first name. The horses Rodriguez and the Rodriguez
Thoroughbred here in the in the Derby six yeah six
do Rodriguez is what Rodriguez is named after and I
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just feel like that it's got to be a sign
for me to throw a little throw a little money
on it to see if it can can win the
derby on Saturday. All right, if you're going to the
derby and you are not going with a ticket that
includes all you can eat drinking food, which a lot
of them do include that now, but I'm sure there's
some that don't. And you want to get yourself an
old Forester mint julip twenty two bucks, a pop twenty
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two dollars. Yep. You can get a hair a Dura
horseshoe margarita. Am I saying that right? Hair Adura? Is
that a brand? I'm sure it is. That a stuff familiar,
not a tequila guy myself. But you can get a
margarita twenty twenty two bucks, Oaks Lily twenty two bucks.
You want a little glasses Jardnay, maybe a little glass
of pino let me guess, nineteen dollars close eighteen. And
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how about a white claw Hard Seltzer seventeen fourteen, Oh
my gosh, premium beer fourteen, domestic beer thirteen. And if
you just want to bull six bucks and a Sanny
bottled water five bucks. That's the price. And you know,
I'm sure they're gonna be fine, but just know you've
priced me out, Churchill. I wouldn't be able to you know,
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I mean I might be able to have a day,
but like those who can again most people who and
if you can make it work, like like yeah, the
price tag of the price tag, but the price of
admission for like any just to get in and get
a seat somewhere, just you know, get it where you're
not in the infield essentially on Oaks and Derby. It
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is crazy expensive. But if you're gonna go, that's the
way to go because you wouldn't have to pay for
anything other than a wager when you're in there, and
you know, quite literally you just I remember going for
the first time realizing you just walk up and tell
them you want to beer and they give you one too.
That's not normal in any way. And I've now this
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has been the case for at least the last two years,
maybe three years, and it still never feels normal, you
know what I mean, because like some people probably have
like oh let me, you know, let me go check
my account before I walk up here and get a
drink because you know, times are hard for folks. Everybody's
you know, probably living. A lot of people live in
check to check and whatnot, and that's just you know,
become the new norm for a lot of people. And
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that's you know, it's life. It's it's tough. But I mean,
if you can, if you consider what you would like.
Let's say you got a substantially cheaper price, but it
didn't include all you can eat, and you know you
want to go and you want to drink, booze and eat,
then it more than makes sense. Now, if you're somebody
that wants to go and you're not a drinker, and
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you really wouldn't want to eat like the food that
they provide because you know you're a health nut and
you want to eat before you go. At that point,
it's really up to you deciding what makes sense from
like a financial standpoint. But for me, if I'm gonna
be there all day, I'm gonna want to throw a
few beers down the neck and I'm probably gonna win
and eat some chicken fingers and whatever other food items
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they have. And they got some really good waffle fries
at Churchill Now City, Well, Nacho cheese with those waffle fries.
That's that's good stuff there.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
So I'm gonna be probably cocktailing all day.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh really, absolutely, you're on that bourbon.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I do the bourbon for how mean you got too?
For Kentucky Derby? Yep?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Do you like? Do you like him Mint Julip?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
No, not really, but I will in that same breath.
I'll have one just to say that I had one
at Churchhill.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So if they're made, if they're I mean, I mean,
I guess there's different ways to make them. I don't know,
but there's some that are pre mixed, right, and those
are fine, But I don't really I wouldn't say that
I like them. But there was some old forester. There
was an old foresters set up to where they made
them by hand, and I remember like, okay, this when
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it's made this way. Maybe it's just because I watched
them make it and it gets me excited. But like,
I'm not a big bourbon guy by any means, but
I actually do like Mint Julip's. I don't want to
drink them all day, but every year I try to
have at least one, and if it's a premixed one,
I can kind of you know, I could never drink
it again. Not to say it's terrible, but the others
actually think are pretty pretty good. But really, you know,
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maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like a day of
if I was to just hammer nothing but mint julips
all day one, I'd be hammered. But like, I feel
like that's just that's such a unique drink that like
the mint. To like drinking alcohol all day that is
a mint of mint flavor would be a little much
for me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, So I usually stick with I just stick with
the bud lights. If they had bush light, That's what
I'd go with.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And then a bush light at the Downs.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I don't know. I mean, bush light is clearly making
a making a real push here in recent years. I
don't want to, I don't want to take credit for it,
but I'm also not going to act like it's just
some coincidence, right I do I do vibe checks asking
people at the Cardinals. Yeah, I do vibe checks at
Cardinal Stadium asking you know where the bush light is
for a couple of years, and then all of a
sudden they start selling it. Do you think that's a coincidence?
I mean, probably can probably is, but you know, I
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like to convince myself that I have a little more
influenced than I actually do. But anyways, thirty weeks here
it is. It's exciting stuff. So NFL Draft we had
a lot of reaction to it when it comes to
the local names. Tyler Shuck going in the second round
to the Saints. When you draft somebody that early, you
are hiring them to at some point be a franchise quarterback.
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So that's the belief they have in him. And I
do think when you consider that they just hired a
new head coach who is clearly an offensive mind, I mean,
I'd be highly surprised if he didn't have some real,
you know, influence in that decision not just to draft
a quarterback, but to draft, but to draft Tyler Shuck.
(24:35):
So you know, I think Kellen Moore realizes, Hey, this guy,
if Derek Carr's shoulders not where it needs to be,
this guy's probably more ready than any of the quarterbacks
in this class to come in and help us out.
And yeah, the ceiling may not be as high as
some others, but you know, if he stays healthy and
he's got some pieces to work with, Shuck can make
all the throws, and I just I think maybe this
(25:00):
is me just being the homer here, wanting it so
badly for Tyler to be successful in the NFL. But
I mean, I think as is in a good system,
and he's healthy, why can't he be a long term
starter that you can win with. And clearly the Saints
believed it, and that's exciting. But I did feel bad
(25:21):
for Tyler because you know, it was quite clear New
Orleans did not like the pick. And I'm sure you
could find some Saints fans that are fine with it
or that really really did like it, but it was
hard to ignore New Orleans Saints fans being unhappy with
that decision. He can't do anything about it, and I
think this is a sign, This is an example of
where his maturity can really help him kind of deal
(25:41):
with that and not be deterred and not be you know,
losing confidence. He knows he trusted himself, so I hope
he can prove those fans wrong and they can have
a successful thing there in New Orleans. Also joining him
in New Orleans, Quincy Riley, one of the better defensive
backs that louisvill has had in quite some time and
had a hell of a career, and he'll have an
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opportunity to compete for playing time and wouldn't be shocked
if he has a good stretch here in the NFL
and the National Jualati was taken in the third round
by the Kansas City Chiefs, obviously going to a very
successful organization, and you know he's got all the talent.
They showed all of his highlights and hearing them talk
about him on draft night on Friday night, I should say,
(26:23):
which of course was Day two of the draft, I mean,
it just kind of reminded me of, Yeah, this guy.
There wasn't as many moments that really stood out in
his last season here, but it's probably because by that
point he had proven enough in his first three years that,
like the opposing team, first thing they got to do
is they got to account for him in double and
triple team them at times, because that's how disruptive he
(26:46):
can be. So in the NFL, he's not going to
be getting double teamed at least, I wouldn't think. And
I have nothing but confidence in him, and not just
as a guy who has a lot of talent and
a lot of athleticism, but like, to me, Ashton's been
a pro like since he got here. What I mean
by that is like he's going to be somebody that
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represents that organization really really well, puts in the work,
and you know, when you have that and what I
believe is a high level of talent, it's a good
recipe to have a long NFL career. So congrats, congrats
to all those guys, real quick before we get back
into the shit or Sanders thing. I don't know if
it was just me that noticed it. I highly doubt
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it was just me, but Nick Saban was freaking amazing
on the NFL draft coverage. I could. I mean, I'm
not like sometimes when people talk, you know, they get
into the weeds talking ball about football. Sometimes it goes
a little bit over my head. But like Nick Saban,
I could listen to him talk about NFL draft picks
all day. I don't know what it is about him.
(27:49):
Clearly he knows a lot about NFL or he knows
a lot about football. He's Nick freaking Saban. But to me,
his analysis stood out more than others. And it's probably
just because you know, I realize this is a that Yeah,
we know he knows what he's talking about, not to
say the others that are in that situation that are
part of draft coverage for different networks. But man, I
could listen to him talk all day and he was
(28:11):
really really gassing up Tyler Shuck. And that five minute
that five minutes or so that they spent talking about
Tyler Shuck after he got drafted by the Saints and
talking about how, you know, playing in a Jeff Brown
pro style offense will really really benefit him. And when
they were talking about reasons that this was a good
pick and why it could work out, not once, not twice,
(28:33):
but at least three times, they would throw in will
he played for Jeff Brohm, And I'm just thinking, man,
that is invaluable when it comes to the pr the
promo you're getting, because shuck to me if he has
six I mean, even he didn't have success in the NFL,
I hate to act like Tyler didn't earn it and
deserve it because he had bad luck, had bad injuries,
and it'd be hard for a lot of guys to,
I think, not lose confidence when that happens, right, I mean,
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he had a four year, five year career that was
just the story was in he couldn't stay healthy, never
finished a season healthy, So you know he comes to
Louisville mature, clearly has the talent. Jeff put him in
a situ in a situation where he was going to
be healthy, and clearly he was able to really showcase
what he can do. And he was really an unheard
of name when he committed to Louisville last year. Now
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he's the third quarterback taken in the draft. So I
hate Dak like Tyler didn't deserve a lot of the credit,
because he deserves every bit of credit and praise that
he gets. But like Jeff can absolutely take advantage of
this and say, look, if you've got the talent, come
play for me. I'm gonna put you in a system
where you're gonna shine, and the NFL is going to
see that you can run an offense for him. So
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I think, not only a great day for all those
guys who heard their name called, but the more representation
you have in the NFL draft can only help you
get more players that want to want to come and
play for you. Now back to Shehdorg Sanders. For those
who weren't with us early in the show, I just
I mean when you consider everything as far as how
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it was hand by Shad or Dion, I mean to
be that was not surprising at all, and also the
way the NFL decided to react to it not surprising
at all either, because the NFL is going to be
just fine without Shad or Sanders. I mean, there's a lot,
a lot to deal with there when it comes to
the arrogance and the entitlement him clearly going through the
process leading up to the draft as if the teams
(30:22):
need to sell themselves to him rather than it being
the other way around. I mean, I don't know if
there's many players that are elite that could do that
in it not come back to bite them, meaning like
the NFL will say, yeah, you're talented, but we'll be
fine without you. And I don't think it was, you know, collusion.
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I just think he wasn't that special to where you
would take a risk, you would invest in somebody who
is making it clear that like you know, like like
he's hiring you, like he's going to let you as
a franchise use his services, instead of like, hey, we've
got an opportunity for you we would like to draft.
Like it's just it's again. Here's here's about a two
(31:04):
minute clip from Tom Pelsero, and I feel like, again,
if you hear this from the Sanders side of things,
none of it will surprise you. And if you hear
how the NFL decided to react to it, none of
it should surprise you at all.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Mike, it was not a shock within the NFL and
team buildings when Shador Sanders did not go in the
first round. I would fairly tell you it is a
surprise that he is still on the board at the
start of day three. Philosophically, some teams feel like you're
drafted at the quarterback position, specifically, if you think you
got a starter, you take him in round one. If
you're drafting somebody to be your backup, you don't want
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to do that until day three. I spoke last night
with one general manager who is considering taking Shador Sanders today.
He pointed back all the way to March twenty twenty
four and something that Chador's father, Dion Sanders said on
a podcast talking about Bulls Shadur and Travis Hunter, saying
that if they are drafted by a team that they
don't want to go to, he's going to step in
(32:01):
and pull an eli, meaning force those players to not
actually go to that team and try to get them traded.
Throughout the pre draft process, Shador Sanders very much proceeded
as if he was dictating to clubs where he was
going to go, rather than how the draft works, which
is the other way around. And there were a bunch
of opportunities missed at the various checkpoints through that pre
(32:23):
draft process, go all the way back to All Star season.
Instead of going to the Senior Bowl, he went to
the East West Shrine Bowl in his backyard in Dallas.
Despite an NFL memo saying if you go to these
All Star games, you have to practice, Shadur chose not to.
At the combine, it has now well documented some of
his formal interviews did not go well. One assistant coach
told me, in all his years, it was the worst
formal interview he'd ever been through. People said that Chador
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was trying to dictate how he wanted things to go
and made them feel small. Even at the Pro Dame,
the entire Big Twelve have an event in Dallas. Chaduur
was there but did not work out. He had a
showcase instead in Colorado. All of which is to say,
for a player who had avariety of questions both about
the talent level, how we would fit into an NFL system,
how he would adjust from his play style in college,
(33:07):
but also about the potential culture shock for the first
time playing for someone who is not his father. There
were opportunities that Shaduur sators could have taken. There he
seemed to feel as if he was in an elite
category where he could choose the few teams he wanted
to go to. Now, some of those very same teams
that might be considering taking Shaduur today didn't get those opportunities.
To answer their question, what.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
So when you consider all that, I mean, it really
doesn't make it really isn't a surprise that things played
out the way that they did. And one of the
last things that was said there by Pallisero is that
they think meaning Dion and I guess should or think
that he's in an elite class that he's just not in.
And it's not to say he's terrible and he wouldn't
be worthy of any kind of any pick, but there's
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such a disconnect from who he actually is as a player.
But even if he was substantially better, he would still
have a tough time getting an NFL team to make
an investment and hire him, essentially by drafting him, because
of you know, they know they don't like they'll be
fine without him. And what's even worse is I believe
(34:11):
that even if Shor Sanders was substantially less accomplished, less talented,
I still think he would have acted the exact same way.
And I think that's just because Dion is letting his
kids not just I mean one thing, to let them
believe in themselves and really gass them up and tell
them that you know they're great. But this is level
of delusion. I think we can't blame Dion for it,
(34:35):
I guess, But I mean, on what world would you
going on a national television show saying that you will
stop your son from playing for certain teams they might
want to draft him. In what world will that help
in any way? Quick break?
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Yeah. I mean at this point, Boston probably gonna end
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he's yet to yet to really, I mean, he's not
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, let's get to five o'clock hour. Started here
on a Monday afternoon. Derby Week is here, and that's
certainly exciting. It is coffee and company. I hope you
knew that. One thing I know that you have to
be aware of is that we are fueled by Thornton's
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friends over at Thornton's. And I started the show talking
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just about, you know, Derby Week being here and the excitement.
And I haven't done much of looking into the field
just yet, but after doing just a little bit of
that during the show during the commercial breaks, I now
know which horse I'm all in on, and this is
I think this was released earlier today, maybe so I
(01:02):
imagine maybe it's changed, but actually I'll pull up and
get updated odds here before you know, before too long.
But I like horses that you know, have a good story.
Maybe not the horses themselves, but you know, the owners,
the trainers, that kind of stuff. That's what really hooks me.
And because I've never and probably will never be someone
(01:23):
that is considered to be even average at picking winners
and that kind of stuff. When in horse racing, you know,
to me, it's all luck, and that's okay. Like, you know,
I think a lot of gambling is luck, and I
choose to be it that way because it keeps me
from ever having the mindset of, like, you know what,
this is pretty pretty easy. I mean, maybe I don't
(01:44):
need a job with a salary and you know benefits,
like I can just I can just gamble. Have ever explained,
Austin why I have that mindset of, like, just remind
yourself that it's all luck, and then you'll just realize,
you know, expect, expect the worst, hope, you know, hope
for the best. So if you win, it's great. Because
when I went to the boat the first time, Caesar's.
(02:05):
I still call it the boat, but a lot of
people do you still do too? Right? Yeah, I say,
brothers in arms, you and I in the boat.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'll sometimes slip up and say Caesar's, but we all
know it's a boat.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, it's the boat. OG's no, But I went when
my wife turned twenty one, her her father took us
in some family and We celebrated her birthday there, and
it was the first time that I'd ever been to
like a casino where you can gamble oh okay, and
I played blackjack. And by the way, my wife's just
a little bit younger than me. In fact, I was
twenty one when she turned twenty one, but I just
(02:37):
turned twenty one like four months prior. So we were
there and I brought like forty bucks when it comes
to blackjack, actually a bout forty bucks. Not knowing what
I was going to do, and of all the games
that you know that were available to play, blackjack intimidated
me the least. So I decided to play the easy game,
and within like twenty minutes, I went from forty bucks
(02:58):
to like two hundred and six. Oh, let's go. So
I just walked away and I was like nope, I mean,
I'm I'm up, like this is this is awesome. And
then like we're leaving the casino and I'm thinking like
that was the easiest money ever made, thinking like that,
you know, I made money, I earned money. I mean,
I guess technically I did, but like there was no
awareness of, you know, for me, that that was luck.
(03:21):
I'm like, I mean, I'm good. I'm good at this game.
I need to start doing this to help, you know,
support my family that I didn't have at the time.
I was just like, this is this is too easy
for me to not make money. I got to keep
doing it. So a couple of weeks go by, and
I had a buddy who he was really getting into
going and gambling, playing poker, that kind of stuff. He's
much more into it than I was. And I was like, yeah,
I want to go play some blackjack. So this time
(03:41):
I took like eighty bucks. It was gone in five minutes,
all of it. So then I was like, never doing
that again. And that it's kept me able to kind
of understand that like gambling is for entertainment. It is fun,
you know, like losing, oh yeah, but the ride until
you either win or lose is still something that is
it's it's entertainment. So that's why, you know, when it
(04:02):
comes to betting on sports, I think it's all luck too.
But at least whenever I've got you know, a sport,
college basketball, college football, the NFL, at least I know
enough about those things to where I can at least
convince myself that if I do win. It wasn't just
luck man. You know your stuff, Nick, you really took
it to the books this weekend. It's not reality, but
at least it makes it more fun. So slot machine
to me is just luck. So I don't really enjoy it.
(04:23):
I'm not knocking anybody. I know people enjoy it, but
to me, it's just, you know, I feel like it's
just wasting money. So that's the way I've you horse racing,
like I just you know, it's fun to pick something
and see if it happens, and if it does win,
you know, it's great. But I have not had many
winners in my lifetime. So again that when it comes
to picking who I want to bet on, it's not
just about oh well, I like the name. Sometimes I
(04:44):
will pick it based off that. If I don't have
a whole lot of time, if we're talking about being
at Churchill all day and you know, I'm just looking
at the program. But this story like this to me
is a sign for me. So I don't know if
I've talked about it a whole lot recently, but over
the years, if you listen even a little bit, like
I'm a documentary nerd, I love documentary series. I love
documentary movies. There's probably not many you could recommend that
(05:08):
I haven't seen, like it is what I enjoy watching binging,
Like if I'm going to the gym, that's where I
watch most of my stuff that I stream. Like if
I'm gonna go get a few miles in on the treadmill,
I'll find a documentary and I'll just get lost in
that and that'll keep me from, like, you know, thinking
about that I'm running and I'm about to die. And
one of the best documentaries that I've seen is one
that I don't really think a lot of people even
(05:29):
know about it, and it's one that when I do share,
hey you should check this out, Like a lot of
people have never heard of it. So I really go
above and beyond, like, hey, I'm telling you you have
to find this. It's and it's rotated from being on
different streaming services. I think I watched on Netflix, no joke,
like twelve years ago, like it was it was. It
was released in two thousand and twelve. So here here's
(05:51):
the story. And it almost seems unreal because this day
and age this would not be possible at all, but
it is possible. So my horse that I'm going with
is a Bafford horse, and it's one that you've probably
heard about. Rodriguez. Yes, so sire is authentic and again
it's Bafford. It's also the owners are SF Racing, Starlight Racing,
(06:15):
Matdict Stables, and you know, you can check out that
information if you'd like. I'm just trying to give you
a little bit of info that you know may mean
something to you, but for me, I don't really know
a lot about that. But hey, Bob Bafford, you know,
he's a known name and he's had a lot of success.
But that's not what has hooked me. It's the name
as to how this horse became Rodriguez. That's what's got
(06:36):
me because it's actually named after the person the documentary featured.
So let me read here directly. This is from the
Courier Journal, says Bafford is set to return to the
Kentucky Derby for the first time since twenty twenty one.
He was suspended three years following this qualification of Medina
Spirit from the twenty twenty one Kentucky Derby. Both of
Rodriguez's victories have come in wire to wire fashion, and
(06:56):
he figures to be at or near the front early
in the hockey Derby the Horses named for six Stough Rodriguez,
an American musician who gained fame in South Africa, Australia,
and New Zealand. So let me give you the gist
of this documentary. It's called Searching for Sugarman. So six
Stough Rodriguez he had a song I think called Sugarman,
(07:22):
and he had very little success in music in Detroit
long long ago, like in the late sixties, early seventies,
might have been more so the seventies, but listen to
this story, Austin, it's crazy. So he ended up kind
of flaming out, had a record deal and he had
a song I think it was called Sugarman, and it
ended up you know, I mean it was kind of like,
(07:42):
I guess, maybe a one hit wonder, but really not
even that because it wasn't that big of a hit. Well,
somehow his music ended up getting really really popular in
South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. So he was a
legend and they just called him Sugarman because of the song.
They played it on the radio. It was a humongous hit,
(08:06):
but he never knew the internet didn't exist. He kind
of once he didn't have initial success as a musician,
he just faded into obscurity. He spent some time homeless.
He just was roaming the streets in Detroit and had
some odd jobs. And the tales just became wild about
whatever happened to him, Like most just assumed he was dead.
(08:29):
There started to be different stories about some elaborate, crazy
way he died because he's some legendary figure, when in reality,
he's just he's just living kind of as a you know,
kind he's kind of panhandling in Detroit, just trying to
make ends meet. He work construction, had a daughter but
wasn't really active in her life growing up. And all
the while you've got Australia, New Zealand and South Africa
(08:53):
like he's a legend when it comes to music. Well,
somebody realized this guy may actually be alive, and they
found him and he was just living in some abandoned
building in Detroit, if my memory is correct, and they
ended up like showing him like you're a legend, like
you like you had the most played song on the
(09:13):
radio this specific year in New Zealand. And here he
is probably feeling like not a super successful person, probably
maybe having thoughts of being a failure try to be
a musician that didn't work out, and now he's just
kind of he's tried to make ends meet for the
last I don't know thirty years of his life. And
then he realizes, holy crap, like they don't know me,
(09:34):
but they know my music and they love me. So
the people who put the documentary together they bring him
to I think it might have been South Africa, and
he ends up like he becomes a story there. He
has a show in front of like thousands upon thousands
of people, like an arena, and I just think that's
insane that this guy became I mean, it kind of
(09:55):
begs the question like can you consider that successful because
you know he he didn't, he didn't even know it.
And another factor that I should have mentioned that that
that sort of led to him, like he's when he
released the the his first and only album and the
song that became really popular in those countries, he had
(10:16):
signed to a record label that that was a bunch
of crooks, so like they owned all the rights to
his music, so he couldn't do anything with it. Therefore,
when when when they're when they're trying to figure out,
like who is this guy? This song's amazing, it's become
a big hit on the radio in South Africa, Australia
and New Zealand because of the record label being shut down,
like they had the only way for them to to
(10:38):
know is okay, what record label released this album? And
it would come back to a record label that was
defunct that didn't exist anymore. So, like there was really
no trace of him anything documentation wise, as far as
the music and the you know, the licensing, that kind
of stuff was all from a company that folded that
like had he had. There was nothing about there was
nothing at all about him, And I just thought, like,
(10:59):
you can't make this stuff up. That wouldn't happen this
day and age just because of the Internet, right, Like
it would be impossible. No, But he was, you know,
he was super seccess I mean, imagine finding out decades
later that you didn't fail. You in fact became like
I mean initially when it became a big deal years
and years ago, not long after like he released his music,
(11:21):
they tried to, like people wanted to get in touch
with him, to like bring him, to bring him to
their country, and have him do shows like he was
a big deal, but they could never find him. And
that's whenever they just assumed he was dead, because they
would try to contact this record label that didn't exist.
And then they did something in the documentary. I haven't
seen it in a long time, but they did track
down somebody that was like affiliated with that record company
(11:42):
at some point and claimed that like any request to
like talk to him, they would have just ignored. And
I just thought that was at something you can't make up.
And that's what the horse is named his name. The
horses named Rodrigo Rodriguez because of six Though Rodriguez. Who
is this musician who the documentary it's called Searching for Sugarman,
because again, without really any way to figure out who
(12:05):
it is they're listening to, they may have known that
his name was six Till Rodriguez, but I don't think
they did actually, because if you listen to people who like,
you know, really were around in those countries when that
music and when his song became a big deal, they
just called him Sugarman. And that's and again it's been
so long since I've seen it, I'm pretty sure that's
(12:25):
why the documentary is titled searching for Sugarman because they
didn't know his name. And I think at one point,
and I'm getting I don't want to make it too confusing,
but I think at one point they they thought that
they figured out who he was, and then they realized
for like ten years, no, that wasn't him, that's a
different guy. I mean, that's crazy. So I don't know
if this horse is gonna win, and if it does,
(12:47):
it won't be because I had any ability to like,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I kind of like him now.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But isn't that a good story?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah? I love me a good name story.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, so there you go. That's my horse. I'm rolling
with Rodriguez, do you have I mean, again you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I like sam Man, but I also feel.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like metallicas send a bunch of gear to the to
the stable. Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's they're they're huge, you're big into it. I also
love Metallica too, so who doesn't. That's America kid, It's
great stuff. And the other one is a long shot,
but American Promise because it's Dad is Justify, one of
the greatest horses ever. So I love that one. Uh
(13:30):
my dad who I also go to a lot. He
seems to like h he seems to like Owen Almighty.
I think he just likes that name. I haven't got
too much about it, but that Owen Almighty is pretty good.
And just also the group chat or when I talked
to the in laws last week after the Derby betting preview,
(13:53):
this is what they said. This comes from their mouth
when I started trying to gauge them on what they
thought like, who they thought like the favorites would be,
and of course Journalism was up there, and this came
from their mouth. If Journalism doesn't win, it's a fluke race.
If he doesn't win, it will be because something crazy happened.
But which is which is crazy to hear, but at
(14:13):
the same time like that, it's the Derby's a perfect
place for weird stuff to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh yeah, And we went from nothing goes perfectly. I mean,
I think we went from having many, many years consecutively
of like, well, the favorites are going to keep winning it,
and it's it's gonna make it less interesting. And then
we've had some real long shots or just you know,
maybe not the favorite, maybe not super long shots. So
I mean, I thought, anytime you feel like, well, you
(14:38):
know this thing is because for so long we just
assumed and I'm not alone here, and what do I know.
I'm not somebody that you know, keeps up with horse
racing even a little bit. But for decades, there was
the belief that, yeah, it's just not possible anymore to
ever envision somebody winning the Triple Crown, because you know,
it's just it's just not realistic this day and age,
(14:58):
because it hadn't happened in so long. And then we
had two in what like a five six year stretch,
and like those are those are things that I think
are good for everything about horse racing and the Derby
because you know, maybe we go another I don't know
however many I don't know what the draft was as
far as how many years, but like, who knows, maybe
we have another one and then we'll be surprised to
(15:19):
see that there are you know, back to back winners
or something like that. So real quick, before we get
to our next break, and I promise you we're gonna
reset some stuff with the NFL draft, because I just
I think it's worth hearing more about what led to
the big slide and I'm not sure if it was
a slide for Shit or Sanders. But when you hear
NFL folks now tell after the draft some people behind
(15:43):
the scenes what they you know, what the experience was
like in vetting should or Sanders. I mean, I mean,
it makes sense why they would say, yeah, you know,
we're going to pass. We're not really that interested anyway,
but if he comes with this much baggage and all that,
then you know we'll pass. All right, quick break, we'll
come back, keep it rolling along. What it costs to
(16:05):
get a mint julip or Oaks lily, I mean, even
if it was the best alcoholic drink ever, I'm not
sure with my budget. You know, I work in radio.
I could justify the expense, give me a cheap bush Light.
But we'll talk about the prices this year. If you're
gonna be going without a ticket, that includes you know,
(16:25):
all you can eat, food and drink. Stick around right
here on Sports Talk seven.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Ninety Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
So the story might have influenced my opinion on the
song a little bit, but like I like it. Oh,
that's a vibe. You could tell this guy's like an artist,
you know what I mean, Like and sugar that he's
that he's wanting is you know, cocaine, boogo boogersh sugar
as they say, and like I don't know, again, not
(17:03):
to get artsy fartsy on you guys, but like sugarman,
something about bringing the color to my dreams. Like that's
to me, that's like, I don't know, it's art, it's
artist artistry.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It sounds like a rambling man just telling that music. Yeah,
I mean, and and here one night, gone the next.
You're not a documentary guy, I don't think. But if
you ever do, I enjoy them. Okay, well, if you
ever do want to check one out. I mean, even
though you know the premise of it, I think the
layers to it are it's just fascinating and uh, to
(17:35):
to see you know, him, not just realize that like
oh wow, like my music ended up here and there's
people that really liked it. He encountered people who for
like their whole life, they've idolized him, not knowing who
he is, but I guess his music and like they
were emotional to know that, like he isn't dead and
(17:56):
here he is, and like, it's just a powerful thing.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I do believe that not only did this happen
because of the era that that you know, the seventies, eighties,
nineties was it wouldn't be possible for this to happen
now because of you know, the Internet of the digital world,
but also think the timing of when this story became
a thing and they made a documentary on it, I
kind of feel like it would be a bigger it
(18:20):
would be a bit more of a known thing now.
Like if Netflix did this whole story themselves and uncovered
it and like made it the front of their dashboard
when you log into Netflix, I think it would have
captivated people so much because of like again, it's something
you can't make up. But for those who missed it,
there's a documentary called Searching for Sugarman that it's about
(18:42):
a guy who was really famous in countries for his music,
but he had no clue and you know, he found
out many many years later. And that guy's name was
was his first name. The horses Rodriguez and the Rodriguez
Thoroughbred here in the in the Derby six yeah six
do Rodriguez is what Rodriguez is named after and I
(19:06):
just feel like that it's got to be a sign
for me to throw a little throw a little money
on it to see if it can can win the
derby on Saturday. All right, if you're going to the
derby and you are not going with a ticket that
includes all you can eat drinking food, which a lot
of them do include that now, but I'm sure there's
some that don't. And you want to get yourself an
old Forester mint julip twenty two bucks, a pop twenty
(19:27):
two dollars. Yep. You can get a hair a Dura
horseshoe margarita. Am I saying that right? Hair Adura? Is
that a brand? I'm sure it is. That a stuff familiar,
not a tequila guy myself. But you can get a
margarita twenty twenty two bucks, Oaks Lily twenty two bucks.
You want a little glasses Jardnay, maybe a little glass
of pino let me guess, nineteen dollars close eighteen. And
(19:50):
how about a white claw Hard Seltzer seventeen fourteen, Oh
my gosh, premium beer fourteen, domestic beer thirteen. And if
you just want to bull six bucks and a Sanny
bottled water five bucks. That's the price. And you know,
I'm sure they're gonna be fine, but just know you've
priced me out, Churchill. I wouldn't be able to you know,
(20:12):
I mean I might be able to have a day,
but like those who can again most people who and
if you can make it work, like like yeah, the
price tag of the price tag, but the price of
admission for like any just to get in and get
a seat somewhere, just you know, get it where you're
not in the infield essentially on Oaks and Derby. It
(20:34):
is crazy expensive. But if you're gonna go, that's the
way to go because you wouldn't have to pay for
anything other than a wager when you're in there, and
you know, quite literally you just I remember going for
the first time realizing you just walk up and tell
them you want to beer and they give you one too.
That's not normal in any way. And I've now this
(20:55):
has been the case for at least the last two years,
maybe three years, and it still never feels normal, you
know what I mean, because like some people probably have
like oh let me, you know, let me go check
my account before I walk up here and get a
drink because you know, times are hard for folks. Everybody's
you know, probably living. A lot of people live in
check to check and whatnot, and that's just you know,
become the new norm for a lot of people. And
(21:16):
that's you know, it's life. It's it's tough. But I mean,
if you can, if you consider what you would like.
Let's say you got a substantially cheaper price, but it
didn't include all you can eat, and you know you
want to go and you want to drink, booze and eat,
then it more than makes sense. Now, if you're somebody
that wants to go and you're not a drinker, and
(21:38):
you really wouldn't want to eat like the food that
they provide because you know you're a health nut and
you want to eat before you go. At that point,
it's really up to you deciding what makes sense from
like a financial standpoint. But for me, if I'm gonna
be there all day, I'm gonna want to throw a
few beers down the neck and I'm probably gonna win
and eat some chicken fingers and whatever other food items
(21:58):
they have. And they got some really good waffle fries
at Churchill Now City, Well, Nacho cheese with those waffle fries.
That's that's good stuff there.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
So I'm gonna be probably cocktailing all day.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh really, absolutely, you're on that bourbon.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I do the bourbon for how mean you got too?
For Kentucky Derby? Yep?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Do you like? Do you like him Mint Julip?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
No, not really, but I will in that same breath.
I'll have one just to say that I had one
at Churchhill.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So if they're made, if they're I mean, I mean,
I guess there's different ways to make them. I don't know,
but there's some that are pre mixed, right, and those
are fine, But I don't really I wouldn't say that
I like them. But there was some old forester. There
was an old foresters set up to where they made
them by hand, and I remember like, okay, this when
(22:46):
it's made this way. Maybe it's just because I watched
them make it and it gets me excited. But like,
I'm not a big bourbon guy by any means, but
I actually do like Mint Julip's. I don't want to
drink them all day, but every year I try to
have at least one, and if it's a premixed one,
I can kind of you know, I could never drink
it again. Not to say it's terrible, but the others
actually think are pretty pretty good. But really, you know,
(23:07):
maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like a day of
if I was to just hammer nothing but mint julips
all day one, I'd be hammered. But like, I feel
like that's just that's such a unique drink that like
the mint. To like drinking alcohol all day that is
a mint of mint flavor would be a little much
for me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, So I usually stick with I just stick with
the bud lights. If they had bush light, That's what
I'd go with.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And then a bush light at the Downs.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I don't know. I mean, bush light is clearly making
a making a real push here in recent years. I
don't want to, I don't want to take credit for it,
but I'm also not going to act like it's just
some coincidence, right I do I do vibe checks asking
people at the Cardinals. Yeah, I do vibe checks at
Cardinal Stadium asking you know where the bush light is
for a couple of years, and then all of a
sudden they start selling it. Do you think that's a coincidence?
I mean, probably can probably is, but you know, I
(23:54):
like to convince myself that I have a little more
influenced than I actually do. But anyways, thirty weeks here
it is. It's exciting stuff. So NFL Draft we had
a lot of reaction to it when it comes to
the local names. Tyler Shuck going in the second round
to the Saints. When you draft somebody that early, you
are hiring them to at some point be a franchise quarterback.
(24:14):
So that's the belief they have in him. And I
do think when you consider that they just hired a
new head coach who is clearly an offensive mind, I mean,
I'd be highly surprised if he didn't have some real,
you know, influence in that decision not just to draft
a quarterback, but to draft, but to draft Tyler Shuck.
(24:35):
So you know, I think Kellen Moore realizes, Hey, this guy,
if Derek Carr's shoulders not where it needs to be,
this guy's probably more ready than any of the quarterbacks
in this class to come in and help us out.
And yeah, the ceiling may not be as high as
some others, but you know, if he stays healthy and
he's got some pieces to work with, Shuck can make
all the throws, and I just I think maybe this
(25:00):
is me just being the homer here, wanting it so
badly for Tyler to be successful in the NFL. But
I mean, I think as is in a good system,
and he's healthy, why can't he be a long term
starter that you can win with. And clearly the Saints
believed it, and that's exciting. But I did feel bad
(25:21):
for Tyler because you know, it was quite clear New
Orleans did not like the pick. And I'm sure you
could find some Saints fans that are fine with it
or that really really did like it, but it was
hard to ignore New Orleans Saints fans being unhappy with
that decision. He can't do anything about it, and I
think this is a sign, This is an example of
where his maturity can really help him kind of deal
(25:41):
with that and not be deterred and not be you know,
losing confidence. He knows he trusted himself, so I hope
he can prove those fans wrong and they can have
a successful thing there in New Orleans. Also joining him
in New Orleans, Quincy Riley, one of the better defensive
backs that louisvill has had in quite some time and
had a hell of a career, and he'll have an
(26:03):
opportunity to compete for playing time and wouldn't be shocked
if he has a good stretch here in the NFL
and the National Jualati was taken in the third round
by the Kansas City Chiefs, obviously going to a very
successful organization, and you know he's got all the talent.
They showed all of his highlights and hearing them talk
about him on draft night on Friday night, I should say,
(26:23):
which of course was Day two of the draft, I mean,
it just kind of reminded me of, Yeah, this guy.
There wasn't as many moments that really stood out in
his last season here, but it's probably because by that
point he had proven enough in his first three years that,
like the opposing team, first thing they got to do
is they got to account for him in double and
triple team them at times, because that's how disruptive he
(26:46):
can be. So in the NFL, he's not going to
be getting double teamed at least, I wouldn't think. And
I have nothing but confidence in him, and not just
as a guy who has a lot of talent and
a lot of athleticism, but like, to me, Ashton's been
a pro like since he got here. What I mean
by that is like he's going to be somebody that
(27:08):
represents that organization really really well, puts in the work,
and you know, when you have that and what I
believe is a high level of talent, it's a good
recipe to have a long NFL career. So congrats, congrats
to all those guys, real quick before we get back
into the shit or Sanders thing. I don't know if
it was just me that noticed it. I highly doubt
(27:29):
it was just me, but Nick Saban was freaking amazing
on the NFL draft coverage. I could. I mean, I'm
not like sometimes when people talk, you know, they get
into the weeds talking ball about football. Sometimes it goes
a little bit over my head. But like Nick Saban,
I could listen to him talk about NFL draft picks
all day. I don't know what it is about him.
(27:49):
Clearly he knows a lot about NFL or he knows
a lot about football. He's Nick freaking Saban. But to me,
his analysis stood out more than others. And it's probably
just because you know, I realize this is a that Yeah,
we know he knows what he's talking about, not to
say the others that are in that situation that are
part of draft coverage for different networks. But man, I
could listen to him talk all day and he was
(28:11):
really really gassing up Tyler Shuck. And that five minute
that five minutes or so that they spent talking about
Tyler Shuck after he got drafted by the Saints and
talking about how, you know, playing in a Jeff Brown
pro style offense will really really benefit him. And when
they were talking about reasons that this was a good
pick and why it could work out, not once, not twice,
(28:33):
but at least three times, they would throw in will
he played for Jeff Brohm, And I'm just thinking, man,
that is invaluable when it comes to the pr the
promo you're getting, because shuck to me if he has
six I mean, even he didn't have success in the NFL,
I hate to act like Tyler didn't earn it and
deserve it because he had bad luck, had bad injuries,
and it'd be hard for a lot of guys to,
I think, not lose confidence when that happens, right, I mean,
(28:56):
he had a four year, five year career that was
just the story was in he couldn't stay healthy, never
finished a season healthy, So you know he comes to
Louisville mature, clearly has the talent. Jeff put him in
a situ in a situation where he was going to
be healthy, and clearly he was able to really showcase
what he can do. And he was really an unheard
of name when he committed to Louisville last year. Now
(29:17):
he's the third quarterback taken in the draft. So I
hate Dak like Tyler didn't deserve a lot of the credit,
because he deserves every bit of credit and praise that
he gets. But like Jeff can absolutely take advantage of
this and say, look, if you've got the talent, come
play for me. I'm gonna put you in a system
where you're gonna shine, and the NFL is going to
see that you can run an offense for him. So
(29:38):
I think, not only a great day for all those
guys who heard their name called, but the more representation
you have in the NFL draft can only help you
get more players that want to want to come and
play for you. Now back to Shehdorg Sanders. For those
who weren't with us early in the show, I just
I mean when you consider everything as far as how
(29:59):
it was hand by Shad or Dion, I mean to
be that was not surprising at all, and also the
way the NFL decided to react to it not surprising
at all either, because the NFL is going to be
just fine without Shad or Sanders. I mean, there's a lot,
a lot to deal with there when it comes to
the arrogance and the entitlement him clearly going through the
process leading up to the draft as if the teams
(30:22):
need to sell themselves to him rather than it being
the other way around. I mean, I don't know if
there's many players that are elite that could do that
in it not come back to bite them, meaning like
the NFL will say, yeah, you're talented, but we'll be
fine without you. And I don't think it was, you know, collusion.
(30:43):
I just think he wasn't that special to where you
would take a risk, you would invest in somebody who
is making it clear that like you know, like like
he's hiring you, like he's going to let you as
a franchise use his services, instead of like, hey, we've
got an opportunity for you we would like to draft.
Like it's just it's again. Here's here's about a two
(31:04):
minute clip from Tom Pelsero, and I feel like, again,
if you hear this from the Sanders side of things,
none of it will surprise you. And if you hear
how the NFL decided to react to it, none of
it should surprise you at all.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Mike, it was not a shock within the NFL and
team buildings when Shador Sanders did not go in the
first round. I would fairly tell you it is a
surprise that he is still on the board at the
start of day three. Philosophically, some teams feel like you're
drafted at the quarterback position, specifically, if you think you
got a starter, you take him in round one. If
you're drafting somebody to be your backup, you don't want
(31:40):
to do that until day three. I spoke last night
with one general manager who is considering taking Shador Sanders today.
He pointed back all the way to March twenty twenty
four and something that Chador's father, Dion Sanders said on
a podcast talking about Bulls Shadur and Travis Hunter, saying
that if they are drafted by a team that they
don't want to go to, he's going to step in
(32:01):
and pull an eli, meaning force those players to not
actually go to that team and try to get them traded.
Throughout the pre draft process, Shador Sanders very much proceeded
as if he was dictating to clubs where he was
going to go, rather than how the draft works, which
is the other way around. And there were a bunch
of opportunities missed at the various checkpoints through that pre
(32:23):
draft process, go all the way back to All Star season.
Instead of going to the Senior Bowl, he went to
the East West Shrine Bowl in his backyard in Dallas.
Despite an NFL memo saying if you go to these
All Star games, you have to practice, Shadur chose not to.
At the combine, it has now well documented some of
his formal interviews did not go well. One assistant coach
told me, in all his years, it was the worst
formal interview he'd ever been through. People said that Chador
(32:45):
was trying to dictate how he wanted things to go
and made them feel small. Even at the Pro Dame,
the entire Big Twelve have an event in Dallas. Chaduur
was there but did not work out. He had a
showcase instead in Colorado. All of which is to say,
for a player who had avariety of questions both about
the talent level, how we would fit into an NFL system,
how he would adjust from his play style in college,
(33:07):
but also about the potential culture shock for the first
time playing for someone who is not his father. There
were opportunities that Shaduur sators could have taken. There he
seemed to feel as if he was in an elite
category where he could choose the few teams he wanted
to go to. Now, some of those very same teams
that might be considering taking Shaduur today didn't get those opportunities.
To answer their question, what.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
So when you consider all that, I mean, it really
doesn't make it really isn't a surprise that things played
out the way that they did. And one of the
last things that was said there by Pallisero is that
they think meaning Dion and I guess should or think
that he's in an elite class that he's just not in.
And it's not to say he's terrible and he wouldn't
be worthy of any kind of any pick, but there's
(33:51):
such a disconnect from who he actually is as a player.
But even if he was substantially better, he would still
have a tough time getting an NFL team to make
an investment and hire him, essentially by drafting him, because
of you know, they know they don't like they'll be
fine without him. And what's even worse is I believe
(34:11):
that even if Shor Sanders was substantially less accomplished, less talented,
I still think he would have acted the exact same way.
And I think that's just because Dion is letting his
kids not just I mean one thing, to let them
believe in themselves and really gass them up and tell
them that you know they're great. But this is level
of delusion. I think we can't blame Dion for it,
(34:35):
I guess, But I mean, on what world would you
going on a national television show saying that you will
stop your son from playing for certain teams they might
want to draft him. In what world will that help
in any way? Quick break?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
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Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, I watched the Lakers Wolves game yesterday. That was
really good.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah. I mean at this point, Boston probably gonna end
up being the winner of the East, at least, I
would say. But I want Cleveland and Donovan to break
through because oh, me too. Donovan, that's the one thing
he's yet to yet to really, I mean, he's not
made a deep run in the playoffs yet. He's proven
himself as an accomplished player. And but I think it
(37:07):
is really undervalued is that he wasn't just the guy
for Utah. He went to Cleveland and actually became an
even bigger weapon for that franchise than he was in Utah.
I mean, he's Donovan's great, But obviously when it comes
to all time greats and how they're talked about making
deep runs, getting to the finals, maybe winning the finals,
that's where you can really kind of separate yourself from
others and the NBA. I mean, there's such a difference
(37:30):
in being a team that's good enough to have the
best or second best record in your division and your
conference in an eighty two game season, but there are
certain teams that are built to maybe not have the
best record in eighty two games, but they're built to
beat you in a seven game series. And that's what
I'm hoping Cleveland can finally do to get past Boston
if they get there. All right, we're out of time,
and enjoy your evening. We're back at it tomorrow right
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