4.29: 502UESDAY H2

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I could be wrong, but I would say that a
little bit over a year ago, when Pat Kelsey was
in the mix for this job that he now has
and is off to obviously a great start, I doubt
that at that time there was a whole lot of
thinking about pros and cons. I would imagine that, even
though I'm sure he was really happy at Charleston, having

(00:23):
success Charleston, South Carolina, it's apparently a beautiful place to live,
I just I would have I just assumed that if
he knew he was going to get the offer it
was done, he was going to leave Charleston and come
to Louisville, because clearly it's a much better job, and
really it's a different level. So I bring all that
up to say I don't think he was doing a

(00:44):
whole lot of comparing. Well, you know, at Charleston, I've
got a beach here, and at Louisville, you know they've
got you know, Churchill downs in the Kentucky Derby. But
if he did consider those two things, I'm curious if
he also considered the thought of him ever being you know,
of a horse race, a thoroughbred being named after him,

(01:06):
and now he has that, and it seems as if
he actually, you know, he's not just appreciative. I think
he thinks it's pretty cool, which it is cool. It's
cool as hell. I would love to have a have
a you know, a Derby winning trainer name a horse
after me, And that's what Kenny McPeak did. So he
has a two year old that is the son of

(01:27):
Blame and it's named kels k e l Z and
it's in his barn in Florida, and it is owned
by Louisvillion Craig mackin and named after Louisville hoops coach
Pat Kelsey, which is pretty cool. So I did not
I knew Kenny McPeak was a big time Kentucky fan,
but I did not know that he has a house divided,

(01:49):
meaning his his his wife is a big Louisville fan
and she obviously I mean, if you're a Lotle fan,
you don't love Pat Kelsey, I think you need to
reevaluate some things. But anyways, Pat Kelsey earlier this week
was out at the at the track taken in the
backside atmosphere, and that came up meaning how he has

(02:10):
a horse named after him, and let me see if
I can pull it up here. Let me get the
sound for you guys. This is here we go. This
is Pat Kelsey from Churchill Downs.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Just this whole ecosystem back here amazes me. We were
invited by Kenny McPeak, who is training a horse that
was named after me, which I think was like one
of the coolest things in my professional career. He said,
it's it's a one year old, so he's still evaluating.
So we're hoping it hits and I can root for
Kel's next year. His wife's a huge u of l fan.

(02:45):
I got to meet Cherry and and so we brought
a you know, you always got to bring a gear
package because guys love gear. So I brought a big
backpack with a bunch of stuff. So we brought half
of it for Kenny, half of it for Sherry. So
we'll get him wearing a little red. I think we
can always turn him around. You never know. All this
is just absolutely amazing. Torpedo Anna, which was last year's

(03:08):
Horse of the Year, just being in its presence is crazy.
You know, you could just tell that that there's something
special about it when you're in its presence, but just
all of it. The Kentucky Derby in general is one
of the greatest spectacles in American sports and to be
a part of it, especially here in the backside, it's
really really cool.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
So you know, you could tell he thinks that's a
pretty cool gesture, and he did try. He tried his
best to get to get the whole McPeek family rock
and U of l gear, but not gonna happen. Katie
McPeak is a big time Kentucky fan and I'm pretty
sure you don't even really have to follow horse racing
to know that name, but also know that you know,
thank he's from Lexington, so makes total sense. But yeah,

(03:49):
after just a season at Louisville, clearly off to a
good start. Pat Kelsey is there's now a horse named
after him, and who knows, maybe maybe one day that'll
be a horse that's in the derby. All right, it's
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(04:10):
out radio WAP. Also listen live at seven ninety Louisville
dot com. So One of the things that has come
up quite a bit really over the last couple of
years is lawsuits being filed against the NC double A,
everyone seemingly challenging the NC double A and seeing if
you know, the courts judges will in fact let the
NC double A still continue to operate things the way

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they have for forever. And the NC double A has
had a whole lot of losses when it comes to
these battles in court, so much so that they really
kind of stopped fighting. I mean, just to give you
an example, the blanket waiver that everybody who played Juco
got was because they just knew that, hey, anybody who

(04:53):
fights this just liked Diego Pavia, the Vanderbook quarterback, like
they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna lose, meaning INT will lose.
But they did get a win today, and it feels
like this is a first time in a long time
that that the NCAA can say they were challenged in
court and they won. I mean, I suppose there could

(05:14):
be victories out there for them, and I just you know,
maybe that's just not as highly highly publicized. But if
you remember former Kansas guard Mario Chalmers, along with a
bunch of other former college athletes. They filed a k
They filed a lawsuit against the NCAA basically claiming that
that that for some reason I've yet to really understand why,

(05:37):
but twenty sixteen on, if you played college basketball or
played college sports, you can opt into this settlement because
from twenty sixteen on, you know, and you didn't get
a chance to play in the nil era, you can.
You can join in on the commun There's a settlement
that that's going to pay out an insane amount of
money and I don't know how much is going to

(05:58):
be given to each each person that joins in on
the lawsuit. But Mario Chalmers, of course played in the
NAA long before twenty sixteen, and again he along with others,
decided to sue the NCAA, saying why should we not
also be cut in on this settlement? And without knowing
the real specifics of it, I just know that the

(06:18):
NC DOUBLEA ruled in favor. I'm sorry that that the
courts ruled in favor of the NC DOUBLEA. Yeah, Front
Office Sports had a little update on it earlier, and
let me just make sure I gueah so says he
this is from This is from Front Office Sports. They
mentioned a federal judge dismissed the Chalmers versus nc DOUBLEA

(06:40):
case and it's Chalmers along with fifteen former football and
men's basketball players, and they argued that former college athletes
from the nineteen nineties in early two thousands deserved damages
for not being able to capitalize on aniol. So again,
I don't know what because I've always asked that same question,
like why why would you be entitled twenty sixteen on

(07:02):
but not prior to that? It doesn't make any sense
to me. What is different about players that were not
able to make money off their name, image, and likeness
in twenty eighteen compared to nineteen ninety eight. So I
just expected the NCAA to lose here, and if they did,
I would have assumed that that meant like their existence

(07:24):
is really in danger, because if they won this case,
it would mean everybody is going to be lining up
to get paid, and I mean everybody. And I don't
even know if they would have the I mean, could
they even pay, Like think about this, and again it's
not happening, it seems like but if this was success, again,
I'm sure there's In fact, I know that there's a
lot to it that I'm unaware of, but I've yet

(07:46):
to hear any specific reason as to why the federal
judge said, you know, the case was dismissed, because again,
as I just mentioned, I don't understand why you'd be
entitled to damages in twenty eighteen but not you know,
two thousand and eight in previous But that'd be there'd
be everybody who ever played college athletics would be lining
up and joining in on this, and there's just not
is there enough money in the world to pay out

(08:09):
these these athletes if that was, if that, you know,
if the lawsuit was successful. So anyways, just thought that
was worthy of an update. A rare w, a rare
win here for the NCAA. All right, let's go to
the text line five oh two four three eight ninety
seventy three. Again, five O two four three eight ninety
seventy three is the number if you guys would like

(08:30):
to text in. This text comes in from Kenny, who says, Nick,
just curious which transfer for Louisville this year? Do you
think will be the most important piece meeting? Who has
to be really good for this team to be a
second weekend type team. Well, I don't think you have
to have like an elite player to be like a
second weekend kind of team. But let's just say. You know,
because right now, if you look at the early rankings

(08:53):
for next season in college basketball, and there's many of
them out there, and some of them do vary, they're
not all super consistent, but Louisville is viewed from anywhere
like top five to top fifteen, and maybe you'll find some
that have like I think John Rosstein has them like
twenty something. So I would say if they're gonna be

(09:14):
a team that you feel like, okay, in year two
of Pat Kelcey, you feel pretty good about being able
to get a really good seed despite the ACC maybe
not being loaded, and you know, if you feel like
you're a team that could get to a final four
if some things fall your way and you're looking at
maybe like a top four to five seed in the
NCAA tournament. As far as the player that is like

(09:37):
most important, well, I guess i'll answer your question. You
ask which transfer. So as of right now, there's just
three of them, and I'm sure they'll add they'll add others.
I don't know when that'll happen or if they're going
to be big names. But I would say it's tough,

(09:57):
and I hate to give you like a cop out
answer because you know, like I, this is something I
hadn't really thought about, and here I am on the
spot and I can't really I mean, I think the
guys that you added specifically from the transfer portal, you know,
I it's not necessarily one guy that you're sitting here thinking, Okay,
this guy is just he's going to be able to

(10:17):
take us to a different level. He's different, He's got,
you know, uber talent compared to the rest of the roster.
He can do things that nobody else can. I just
don't think that's that that that's that's the scenario here
with these three guys. So Ryan Conwell from Xavier, a
good shooter, veteran, played a lot of college basketball, combo guard,

(10:40):
more more of a two guard. I mean, he's gonna
play off the ball. Isaac McNeely, I mean he's more
of just a flat out shooter, a guy that was
right behind Rain Smith when it comes to three point
shooting in the ACC. In fact, I think he shot
a better percentage, but he made I mean, he was
second in three point field goals made in the ACC
outside of rain Smith, so good company there. And then

(11:01):
with Adrian Woolley, you know, he was a superstar freshman
at a low level of Division one at Knnessas State,
but he put up huge numbers and was you know,
really really special and clearly he proved right out of
the gate he was a lot better than the level
he was playing at. So I mean, I think of
all three of those guys bring really the same, Like, like,

(11:27):
there's no way Woolley averages the same amount of points
that he did at Kennesaw State here at Louisville. I
guess it's possible. But like, these three guys, like they're
not even going to need to be doing as much
here at Louisville as they did at their previous school
because I think all of them are now joining a
better situation. So of the three transfers, all are going

(11:49):
to be important. But I'm on the spot here, and
yes I'm spinning my wheels because I don't really know.
I mean, and also, if if you'd that's the question
and we were in the previous world and it was
based mostly off of freshman that's a little bit easier
to answer. But like these guys, I mean, I guess

(12:10):
there's a scenario that they don't really translate. But like
Isaac McNeely, he played in the ACC, so he can
do what he was able to do at Virginia, put
up big numbers playing against you know, a good schedule.
I have no reason to think that like, he won't
be able to do that here. In fact, I think
he's going to be in a system that fits him
even better to where he might really have a I mean,

(12:31):
think about this. He put up the numbers he did
in Virginia playing Virginia style basketball in a system that
Pat Kelsey has. This guy, I mean, he's going to
get a lot of great looks and if he continues
to be the really good shooter he's been his entire
college career, that's going to be a good recipe for Louisville.
So with conwell, you know, at Xavier, I'm not worried

(12:51):
about will his production from the Big East carry over
to the ACC. I mean, he was an All ACC performan.
I'm sorry he was an All Big East performer and lasted.
I mean, Big East is a better league than the ACC.
So I mean, I think of these guys, I mean,
with your question being a little bit, you know, who's

(13:12):
most important When you ask it that way, I'm thinking,
all right, who do we really need to make sure
they bring what they what they produced at their previous school.
But I just don't really think that's much of a question.
Like if if Ryan Conwell and Isaac McNeely are unable
to really kind of you know, fond footing and do

(13:32):
the same kind of things they were doing at their
previous school, I'd be highly surprised because I actually think
they're going to be in a system now that better
suits what they can do, meaning play fast, get good
looks and transition and you know, make three shoot threes.
I mean that's what that's what pack Kelsey wants to do.
So I guess, woolly, I feel like if he does
have a little bit of an adjustment, right, instead of

(13:55):
averaging nineteen a game, let's say he's only averaging seven
or eight. Like, I don't think that'd be the the world,
because he's not going to be needed to score as
many points he's did at Kennessas State. But I will say,
you know, if he does, if he's if he's a
guy that adjusts nicely, and you know, you get to
mid January and he's like your second leading scorer, averaging

(14:18):
like thirteen or fourteen games something like that. I would
say that that's huge, meaning you know, you didn't just
bring up a guy who was pretty pretty damn good
at that level. You brought up a guy that is
you know, still able to you know, score at a
pretty high level. So I guess I would say woolly
just because there's more of an unknown there, Like I
expect him to be solid, but you know, but there's

(14:41):
also a chance that he could really thrive by playing
around better players. Now this isn't the question that you asked,
but I think the guy who really is the potential
difference maker for Louisville is case In Pryor, just because
you know, last year in four or five games, however, man,
it was that he played like you could see that

(15:02):
he's got he's got something that Louisville was able to
kind of, you know, live without because they still had
a good season. But there's plays that Cason made that
really there's nobody else on the team that was capable
of making those plays. Maybe CANi Russ just because of
the similar build and athleticism. But if Cason's fully healthy,
and you know, you've got a good three point shooting

(15:25):
team like you you know, seemingly have, He's just going
to have a lot of opportunity to slash and maybe knocked.
I mean, he shot a lot of threes last year.
In fact, he shot more than I would have wanted
to see him shoot. But and he didn't shoot a
great percentage. But I mean he could benefit from the
opposing teams just having to worry so much about Louisville's perimeter,

(15:45):
and you know, he could he could really take advantage
of that. So like, if Cason is I guess the
guy that we hoped he would be last year prior
to the injury, just an athletic, versatile guy that can rim,
you can rimp protect for, you can play above the rim. Also,
you know, if you've got a big guy guarding him,

(16:09):
I mean that's a mismatch because yeah, Casein's I guess
considered a front court player. But he's got a good handle,
he's pretty quick. So to me, Prior, like you know,
Louis could still be really good. If Prior's just you know,
like Louisvill could have a really put it. Let me
put it this way, louisvill could have a really good
team that looks like they have a chance to you know,
get a good seat and make a Final four if

(16:30):
their strength is more so based off of a collection
of good players than maybe one or two guys that
are just you know different, like last year, especially when
the injuries took place to Cason and de Koran Johnson,
I mean, Chucky Hepburn became an All American and you
needed that. Without Chucky being you know, as great as
he was, you know, Louisville still would have won plenty

(16:51):
of games, but obviously he was he was special. Rain
Smith at times was special just because he could get
hot and change the game in a big way. So,
you know, I don't that's one of the benefits of
really bringing back some good pieces like Hadley pryor can
I You've got Khalifa and Rogers that are that are
going to be healthy and ready to go, Mickel Brown,

(17:12):
the freshman All American, and then Sonny Frew, who's kind
of not really a mystery, but you know he's somebody
none of us had ever heard of until he committed.
And you look at what he's doing over there in
his pro league, and you know, you've got to be excited.
So I think this could be a team where depth
and really just having you know, a lot of good
players could really benefit you and that could be your strength.

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But who knows, maybe you have that, But there's a
couple of guys that really are I guess, you know,
difference makers, Guys that the opposing team knows it's going
to be a long night for them because they don't
really have somebody to totally, you know, match what you
have with a case in pryor so that that's more
so what I mean when it comes to that. But
good question, because clearly you got me stumped. I'm probably
talking in circles here, but I would say Woolley is

(17:57):
is a guy that I think if he is close
to what he was doing last year Atkennesesau, that could
really be a big, big I mean, it could be
a special thing for Louisville. But I don't really think
there's like a lot of pressure. I think you got
good pieces to where there's not any newcomer coming in
where you're like, man, this guy doesn't give us XYZ,
We're in trouble and honestly, when the injuries took place

(18:18):
last year, that's what you were worried about, right, I mean,
you knew that Hadley had to become what he became
if you were going to have a chance of being
a good team. He did that. You knew that Terrence
Edwards really had to step up because he wasn't playing well.
And now Korn Johnson's not coming back at all. Chucky
had to really kind of, you know, take on the
role of Hey, I got to at times maybe put

(18:39):
this team on my back, and I've got to be
one of the best defensive players in the country. But also,
you know this tribute and score sixteen seventeen a game.
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It is Coffee and Company. We are fueled by Porton's
right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. You know, there
are a lot of things in life that we just

(19:00):
never see coming. And I think Bill Belichick's current situation
is one that I think you'd have a hard time
finding anybody that would tell you that, Yeah, it's not
that surprising that you know, at his age he's dating
somebody that he's young enough to be his granddaughter and

(19:23):
it's not that surprising. I always thought he would come
back and coach in college at North Carolina. I mean again,
I think everybody is well aware that you know, nobody
saw this coming. Imagine telling somebody even two years ago
that Bill Belichick would be in the situation that he's
in right now. But this one is an extreme level

(19:43):
of like, no, I'm just just stop for a moment
and think about what you would have said to somebody
two years ago that would that would have told you
that Belichick would be where he is right now. You
would not believe it. You wouldn't see a scenario where
it was possible. But it's real. There's a lot of

(20:03):
things in life, and you know, as really in the
life really since the pandemic, I feel like since twenty sixteen, really,
I guess more than anything, there's just like is this real?
Is this is this life? This can't be real? And
the Belichick situation is certainly one of those. It's coffee
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seven ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with us. So the

(20:25):
interview that Belichick did over the weekend, I don't know
when the interview actually took place, but it was aired
on CBS on Sunday, and I mean, yeah, it was
CBS Mornings, and I mean it was beyond weird. And
I'm sure by now a lot of you have heard
about how awkward it was, and I mean it was

(20:46):
so cringe and uncomfortable, Like I couldn't listen to it
in its entirety. But for those who you know, don't
know the overall, you know, the overall story. Here Belichick
did an interview and I guess it was just to
you know, promote his book, talk about his life now,
and when asked about his situation with his girlfriend, Jordan Hudson,

(21:10):
who is twenty four years old, you know, it just
seemed to me, I'll just give you my thoughts. And
I'm not saying that this is, you know, what I believe,
because I don't know how the hell this whole thing
came together. But I don't I don't believe it's real.
And I'm not saying that like they're not together. I
think that this is like an arrangement where she's benefiting
from this and he is too, But like, are they

(21:33):
actually an item? You know, the heart wants what the
heart wants, but I just I don't believe that they're
a thing romantically or maybe you know, I just maybe
it's just something I don't want to believe because it's
kind of gross, and there's nothing wrong with saying that,
is there. I mean, Bill Belichick is how old? I mean,

(21:55):
I mean he's at least yeah, I was gonna say's
at least seventy. He's seventy three years old, and she
he's twenty four. I mean, live your life, do what
you want. I would say no judgment, but I think
i'd be lying because, like I think, if you're a
seventy three year old man, I mean, I don't know
where I'm going to be at seventy three, but like,
I just would feel insanely uncomfortable with somebody that much

(22:18):
younger than me, at least I think I would. I
don't know. Maybe at Bill's age, I'll be thinking differently,
but I mean him coaching in college is even a
odd thing that I just don't know why Carolina decided
to do that. But the girlfriend thing has become an
issue to where like, maybe he's not coaching Carolina because

(22:38):
TMZ is reporting that they're kind of I don't know
if they're weirded out by it or what. But I
mean the reports that TMZ had claimed that they're starting
to grow concerned as far as like her involvement because
I don't think she's actually on the staff, but like
if you've seen some of some of the footage from

(22:59):
the SPOR practices and I'm not sure if it was
a spring game or what it was, but you know,
like she's out there almost like running the show and
I don't know where she would be qualified to do that,
and like it just it seems really weird. But where
it got real weird in the interview was that it's
almost as if the guy that was asking the questions

(23:20):
maybe he had a hunch that the story that she
had shared long ago when it first became a story
that they were an item. She said they met on
a plane, And when when asked again, how did you
guys meet, I mean again, I feel like it was
almost kind of like a setup because it's well docted,
because that's the first question everybody asked, how the hell
this happen? How did these two become an item? And

(23:41):
the story that she had shared long ago was that
they met on a plane and they just started, you know,
small talk, and you know, then they became I guess
romantically involved, and one thing led to another, and now
they're dating boyfriend and girlfriend. I mean imagine bringing Hey,

(24:02):
I'm gonna bring my boyfriend home. But I just want
you guys to know he's a little bit older than me.
And then she rolls in with Bill Belichick, who's again old.
Bill Belichick is probably old enough to be her parents' parents, right,
I mean seventy three and twenty four. So anyways, when

(24:23):
asked on the interview about where they met, that's why
I feel like it seemed like a setup, because that
guy in that situation doing that interview, I wish I
knew his name, but I don't he would know, like
he would know how they met, because that's that's pretty
well documented. And if you're gonna interview Bill Belichick and
you know clearly one of the things you're gonna ask
about is his girlfriend, you're you know, you're gonna know that.

(24:44):
But he, you know, he presented it as if he
didn't know that, or maybe it wasn't true, but he said,
how did you guys meet? And then instantly she said,
we're not going to talk about that. We're not we're
not going there. And then now TMZ reports that the
interview was actually way worse and you know, just uncomfortable
than what was shown on television because they had to

(25:04):
take a break because she stormed out and she you know,
was expecting him to follow her out, and I guess
ask what was going like why she was upset he
didn't do that, I mean, and then when they were
asking him questions about his they're asking him questions about
his his social media stuff that he's involved in, like

(25:24):
where he's got pictures doing yoga with her. I mean,
either he's a really good I mean Belichick again, a
lot of things that just make no sense at all,
and you just think there's no way that's true. More
often than not, it's not true. Do you all think
Bill Belichick's out here posting photos of him doing yoga
poses with his twenty four year old girlfriend like that?

(25:46):
That just doesn't compute. So I think what's happening here?
And he kind of said it without saying it, that
he's always about doing what's the best for him and
his you know, his career, his situation, and I think
having a twenty four year old girlfriend at the age
of seventy four or twenty three or seventy three is

(26:07):
like him showing people that despite being old, he's still
with it. He's still he's actually young at heart, because
here he is out here, you know, posting stuff on
the Gram like twenty year olds do. I mean, I
don't know just if you're getting Bill Belichick in your
North Carolina, I feel like you you know, you this

(26:28):
Bill Belichick, this guy who's you know, letting seemingly a
twenty four year old kind of run the program, do everything,
but you know, actually coach the x's and o's. That's
that's what she's allegedly doing. Like you're not getting You're
not getting the guy that would be worth hiring if
that's the Bill Belichick you're getting. Also, I think things
that you really really need to be able to do

(26:50):
as a college coach right now that have become really
important in this new world of nil on the transfer portal,
I feel like Belichick is the least compatible coach. He's
not relatable. I mean people were selling like, well, hey,
he's actually it's now pro football because you know, you
got transfers like free agents, and you know you got
to pay players, so you know, it's actually perfect. No.

(27:12):
I mean, you think college kids are gonna be able
to relate to Bill Belichick. You think they're going to
be able to be able to pick up the phone
and call him and talk about like something going on
in their life or like make a connection. Like Bill
Belichick seems like the least approachable person ever. Even guys
who played for him that probably loved him because they
had a lot of success together, they probably feel like
they've never had a real conversation with the guy. He's

(27:33):
like a robot, a football robot. So, like, everything about
this made no sense to me. Again, on the surface,
you're thinking, well, you got a chance to go hire
a dude who won a bunch of Super Bowls. Why
the hell would you not do it? From that aspect
only it makes sense. But think about how much everything
has changed in college sports, and if the NFL doesn't

(27:55):
think Belichick can relate to players and build a staff
and succeed in the you know, in the current time,
what makes you think he's going to be able to
do it in college like he might? You know, maybe
he is the guy that just has so much respect
as a football coach that he will still be able
to run things the way that old coaches used to

(28:15):
run it whenever guys would never leave because they couldn't transfer.
I mean, it seemed like even Bill Belichick ran his pro,
ran his franchise in the NFL much more like a
you know, like a like a dictator. Then then, you
know a lot of guys are players coaches now, right,
Like you got to be able to relate these NFL players.

(28:36):
They know they're making millions of dollars, they're making more
than you. They know that they are more valuable to
the franchise than you are as a coach. So therefore,
like you got to be able to relate, the players
got to be able to respect you. Belichick, you know,
he did it the old school way and it worked
for a really long time until it didn't. So I've
always felt like it just none of this makes sense
when you really consider how much has changed for both

(28:56):
Belichick and you know, football, college football specifically. But now
you throw in this weird element of this girlfriend, who
is you know, I guess already worrying North Carolina about
her involvement and it being a little much. I mean,
I doubt they'd make a move and fire him, because

(29:17):
that would be you know, that would make him look really,
really bad. But yeah, TMZ is now reporting that the
disastrous CBS interview was even worse than what we saw
because they had to cut thirty minutes from it and
she'd stormed out in the middle of it and expected
Bill Belichick to follow her, and I guess he didn't.
Then he realized he probably should have. And yeah, just
I mean, first of all, like why would they even connect,

(29:40):
why even do the interview? And I guess it's to
promote a book. And I'm sure that like he probably
you know, as far as whoever's publishing this book that
he's talking about, Like, I'm sure there's an agreement that
if you're if we're going to do this, and we're
going to be the publisher for your book, and you've
got to be a part of the promotion because we
need to sell books. But like having her off to
the side in the shot, like she probably didn't know

(30:01):
she was in it, but she's standing off to the
side or sitting, I should say. And you know, they
do some wide angle to where you can actually see
some behind the scenes production equipment, like you know, the
full setup of the interview, and it's because they realize
we may have something here, like we're supposed to be
talking about to Belichick about his book, but like this, this,
this is spicy. Let's let's get her in the shot

(30:22):
too and see what happens. And didn't take long for
her to yell, we're not talking about that, which now
makes everybody assume that the story about how they met
was a lie. And you know, she didn't even want
to go down that path because then she would be
caught in her lie. Here's here's what I think we'll
find out more before it's all said and done, as

(30:43):
far as like this whole situation, how it came about
what the real like, what the real benefit is for
Belichick here, and what the real benefit is for her?
I guess for her it's relevance money, and for Bill
I mean yeah, I mean, I'm sure guys in the seventies,
in their seventies wouldn't mind having a twenty year old

(31:04):
attractive woman twenty something year old. She's twenty four, so
she's not twenty, but twenty something year old to come
home to and spend some time with. Like it's probably
a dream to certain guys. But like a real relationship boyfriend, girlfriend,
Like it's just, you know, it doesn't make sense. And
usually when things don't make sense to this level of
not making sense, there's way more to it, and I

(31:26):
think eventually we're gonna find out more. Also, there's some
that claim that this could be like elder abuse, to
where she's just taking advantage of an old guy with
a bunch of money who's trying to just you know,
like Belichick probably doesn't have any social I mean, maybe
there's something we don't see on TV. But like I mean,

(31:47):
Bill Belichick to me was an absolute robot that had
no emotion, no, I mean no life to him. And
I don't say that to insult him. That's probably a
pretty mean thing to say, you have no life to you,
But like think about it, think about you know, what
we saw from Bill Belichick and what we got out
of Bill Belichick for twenty plus years. Now. I know
there's always the well, we don't really know these people.

(32:08):
We don't know what's going on behind the scenes in
their life. We just see them on TV coaching, of course,
But I'm willing to bet that Belichick, what you see
is what you get. Like, I don't think there's some
some wildcat that's just you know, lively and full of
energy and always running around with twenty something year old women.
It's just very odd, very weird at least, you know,

(32:31):
that's my opinion. Maybe there's some guys in their seventies
right now thinking, hey, why don't you shut the hell up?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Nick?

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Bill's living the dream. And I guess if that's the case,
then you know, that's the way you see it. That's
the way you see it, all right, It's Coffee and Company.
Where Phil about Thorton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
You know, it's hard to believe that sports gambling here
in Kentucky has only been legal for roughly two years, right,

(32:59):
it was two years ago whenever they got it done
as far as you know, in Frankfurt. But actually, you know,
us being able to go and make a wager, that
was it actually hasn't even been two years, I think
because of the explosion that we've had with sports betting
not only being you know, a big talking point you
got to keep in mind. For a long time, it

(33:19):
wasn't you know, not only it wasn't legal, but like
mentioning spreads or talking of sports gambling in national sports conversation,
meaning like college basketball, NFL, NBA, like it was just
unheard of. It was looked at as dirty and sly
me and now you can't watch any sports without seeing
that these professional leagues are you know, clearly in bed

(33:41):
with with these sports books and everybody's making a lot
of money. So I've been a big fan of sports
gambling for a long time, meaning I just I mean,
I guess, can you be a fan of it? I mean,
I guess you can, But like what I mean more
so than just I'm a fan, like go sports betting.
I just enjoy it. I've advocated for it. I think
it is and I think we're seeing the proof that

(34:01):
it gives an added level of entertainment to watching sports
that wasn't there. And I mean I think those who think,
you know, it's just a waste of a bunch of
money and that it becomes a big problem and people
become gambling addicts and they gamble, gamble their life away.
I mean that I'm sure there are some people that

(34:21):
have done that. In fact, I know that there are
that there are people that have done that, But like
if they're going to do it regardless right. I mean,
so I'm glad that sports gambling is now legal. I
think it's it's really helped the industry that I'm in
because when it comes to you know, content like this
sports content that's on the radio, that's on a podcast,

(34:42):
that's on television, you know, regardless of rooting interest, if
people are interested in sports betting and you're talking about
the action, you're talking about picks and analyzing games and whatnot, like,
that's just that's inner that that's content that can you know,
people are going to be interested in, which you know,
let's go check. That's a big part of what all
this is. So I say all that to say that

(35:06):
if in fact, there is a change made here at
the college level with player prop bets, I totally understand it,
totally get it. And you know, I'm not out here
advocating that they make a change, but if they did,
it really should be something that we should not be
surprised by. So the NUAA has recently renewed and expanded
their partnership with a company called Genius Sports. They are

(35:27):
a data provider and in this in this renewed partnership,
they want to and by the way, what this company
does is they provide real time statistics to sports books,
and you know, just think about levels and layers of
statistics that you probably didn't even know existed. But in

(35:49):
this new deal where the n s DOUABA again is
going to give business to Genia Sports, they want them
to have these sports books agree to ban player based
props in college sports only. So this is what the
n SAA is doing to try to eliminate, you know,
prop bets based on individual individual performances because of obvious

(36:09):
things that have happened. I mean, I don't know if
we've had full on like charges to college basketball players,
but obviously the Javante Porter situation in the NBA, I
mean that whole gambling ring. You know, they had their
they had their hands on a lot of stuff, including
college basketball players that were in on helping their team
either cover or not cover or you know, maybe making

(36:32):
sure that they didn't get over the rebound number total
that was set out there. So under this new agreement,
sports books must also share data with the NCUBLEA meaning
like the geolocation and device records, so they'll have a
better ability to track if their college athletes are in
fact gambling, which you know, they're not allowed to do

(36:53):
so if you really think about it, player props in college,
I mean, I don't know, I guess to say that
it shouldn't be allowed. I don't mean, who am I
to say? But I just think you really run a
risk of college athletes doing this more so than pro athletes.

(37:14):
Now again, there have been pro athletes that have you know,
a weekly because there's there's there's the example of Javonte Porter,
who was already you know, he's in the NBA, but
he's not a big time god that's got you know,
a crazy contract with so much money guaranteed. But still
you know, he's making an NBA an NBA salary. Therefore
he's making a lot more more money than the average person,

(37:35):
and he just got greedy and he was stupid. But
there's also guys that do it not because they want
to make money. They actually just enjoy it and then
they realize, yeah, we'll make an example out of you.
Calvin Ridley was just gambling for fun like you and
I do on the NFL, but you know he wasn't
supposed to do it, so he got suspended for an
entire season. So you know, like there's there's all kinds
of examples of guy's doing it just because they're they're

(37:58):
being stupid and they're in they're just you know, not realizing, hey,
I know you probably want to bet, but you can
because you know you're actually in the NFL. And then
there's guys like Javonte Porter who didn't need the money,
but just you know, probably tried to get greedy, realizing hey,
I could probably get involved here and and you know,
maybe end up taking more money from the sports books
than the NBA paying me. So at the college level,

(38:21):
you do have guys now that are making millions because
of nil. But when I saw the list of schools
that were believed to be involved, meaning there's connections, meaning
the those those gambling on the Javante Porter stuff, they
that those same those same people that got caught, they
were also gambling large amounts of money on random college

(38:44):
basketball games from places like you and C A and
T or not. Yeah, North Carolina A and T, Florida
A and M. And those are probably the most vulnerable
types of student athletes that would that would maybe more
so now than ever, feel like they'll risk it because

(39:05):
they're they're not making money like guys are at the
high level, and if nobody was making money, then maybe
they would say, yeah, that's stupid, I'm not going to
do that. But when they know that, like you know,
a couple of conferences up there, there's guys making full
time salaries that are you know, six figures, and they're
and they're making probably very little because again they're playing
at the lowest level of D one, there could be

(39:26):
some envy and that might make them say, you know,
what the hell with it, Yeah I will, I will
shave some points, I will cook the books if you will,
and make sure that my my props, you know, they
don't go over or under, so we can we can
you know, cash in big time. And they're not the
ones who was actually I mean, I don't think they
were the ones actually making the bets, but they were

(39:46):
clearly doing it and letting you know, the the gambling
ring connected to Javonte Porter in that group, they were
letting these athletes know, hey, make sure you don't get
eight rebounds or make sure you lose, or make sure
you win you don't win by too much. And I'm
sure they were getting a cut of that in some
former fashion. So you know, there's always going to be

(40:07):
when you have gambling legal, even if it's not legal.
I mean, keep in mind, before gambling was legal in
as many states as it is right now. As far
as sports gambling, you still have stories of college players
getting involved with bookies and doing things for you know,
cause it's sports books out in Vegas. Like it's there's
always going to be a threat of it happening, regardless
if it was legalized the way it is now or not.

(40:29):
But I think as long as you continue to make
examples out of everybody, then that's the best chance. I mean,
that's the best chance of keeping people from realizing, yeah,
I could ruin my life by making this really dumb
in the moment decision just to make some money. And again,
money's powerful thing. Money makes people do things that you
know they probably would never do. But man, a big

(40:50):
payday is enticing to people. So this is one that
you know, I'm not saying, hey, you need to get
rid of it, but if they do, I think it
would make sense to a lot of us, because that,
I think is where you really see some vulnerability with
players realizing, Okay, I'm not getting paid like these guys
are in the acc I need to cash in now
because you know, when I leave, I won't be walking

(41:12):
away with a bunch of money in the bank like
players at the college level that are playing at the
highest level. All right, stick around, We've got plenty more
to get into. And you know, why would you go anywhere?
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