Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 10/1/24

Tony and Austin discuss the death of Pete Rose, the Bengals, MLB Playoffs, and more. Plus, chats with Joe Danneman and Mo Egger, on ESPN 1530!

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will sprinkle in some Major League Baseball, but the the
news and you know, it's very obvious to hit on

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the passing of Pete Rose yesterday. By by many accounts,
you see the outpouring of stories and support and love,
an admiration for Pete Rose and not only the baseball
player he was, but the more I learned last night
to today is the ambassador for the game of baseball

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that Pete Rose has been all over the United States.
And yes, Pete Rose made mistakes off the field. Pete
Rose bet on baseball that was illegal. I still think
Pete Rose should be a Hall of Famer because of
his contributions to the game of baseball. I think Pete
Rose and the records that I'm going to get to
in just a second that he possesses constitutes to be

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a Hall of Famer. And I know that what he
did was illegal. I also know that times change, and
I know that people change, and I know that oftentimes
people are given a chance to right a wrong that
they did. Obviously, there is remorse there, and there was
remorse there. But in a society now where if you're
watch a Major League Baseball game during commercials, you're going

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to hear sportsbook commercials. You're gonna hear and watch sportsbook
commercials on TV. I know it's not legal to gamble
on baseball if you're a player, but baseball and many
sports have welcomed gambling into the scene. And that's not
an excuse for Pete Rose. It's just my thought that
Pete should be seen for his contributions to the game baseball.

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Those contributions are well documented. If you if you need
a reminder, four thy two hundred and fifty six hits.
That is more than any other player in baseball history.
Dan Hord tweeted this out last night, and I am
floored by it, he said. Bobby Witt Junior this year
led Major League baseball with two hundred and eleven hits.
If Bobby Witt Junior had two hundred and eleven hits

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for twenty straight baseball seasons, he would still come up
thirty six hits shy of Pete Rose. He played in
three thousand, five hundred and sixty two games. That is
a major league record, fifteen eight hundred and ninety played appearances,
ten seasons with two hundred hits more. He was an
MVP of both the National League and the World Series.

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He has the National League history longest hit streak at
forty four games, led the league in doubles five times
on bays percentage above four hundred five times. The statistics
speak for themselves. He played five different positions for five

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hundred games or more. Think about that in the landscape
of baseball, and made an All Star Game in five
different positions.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Just incredible.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And I know that so much of it gets consumed
with what he did in betting on baseball, but when
you look at the statistics, you are talking about arguably
the greatest or one of the greatest offensive players that
has ever played the game of baseball.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
And it wasn't a guy that was rot with all
this natural talent. It was a guy who worked his
ass off to get to where he got and to
stay there, and was truly one of the greatest players
that's ever played the game of baseball because of how
hard he worked and how much he wanted it. And

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I think it's unfortunate that we are sitting here talking
about the life of Pete Rose, and so much of
it is going to be discussed whether or not now
he should get in the Hall of Fame, or how
he should have been in the Hall of Fame years ago,
or that he was gambling or that he wasn't gambling,
or who he was betting on or what he was
betting on.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Or so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
It's a shame that that's such a big part of
the conversation. And that's something that I always struggled with
with Pete because I found it hard for a guy
who famously said I would walk through Hell in a
gasoline suit to play baseball. He loved the game and
he played the game. What people will tell you is
the right way, and I always struggled with it because

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I never seen Pete play, but I knew how much
he meant to the people around me, and to my family,
and to Red's fans and everybody. If you come to
a game, you'll see a thousand Pete Rose jerseys.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
I knew how much he meant.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
And I always struggled with this guy who loved baseball
so much yet couldn't stop himself from gambling and impacting
the integrity of the game. I found that to be hypocritical,
and I struggled with that as someone who didn't have
the emotional connection to Pete Rose that so many people

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around me did, And at times I became frustrated with
the conversation around Pete. But you could never ever take
away the fact that that was one of the best
players that's ever played baseball, and everywhere he went. They
won two World Series here with the Big Red Machine.
Obviously a couple of more appearances goes to Philly. Wins

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the World Series with the Phillies in nineteen eighty, multiple
World Series MVP.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
MVP.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
You mentioned all the other stuff, like it's a shame
that one of the great players in the history of
baseball is overshadowed by a skin and unfortunately an addiction,
and he never got the recognition he truly deserved as
a baseball player. And much of that is his own doing.
And that's painful in and of itself, and even more

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so in Cincinnati icon that so many people love and
care about, have cherished memories around, is no longer with us.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
There was a there was a time nineteen ninety nine
where they were honoring the All Century Team and they
had all these players on stage in Atlanta, and you know,
they're they're talking about Mickey Mano, Willie Mays as there
stand usual, I'm watching all these legends of baseball and
there's a video out of them getting introduced, and then
Pete Rose gets introduced, and by far the loudest and

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longest ovation from the crowd was for Pete Rose. I mean,
just a an admiration and to you mention because he
wasn't handed any of his talents. He worked his tailoff
for his talents. And you think about the record and
where we're at in major League Baseball right the steroid
era that came and gone. You know, Pete Rose, his
records have stood the time, and they've stood through time,

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They've stood through the pharmaceutical era, and it is a
record that in all likelihood will never be touched. Longevity
and greatness for that long, for that many seasons, and
there are so many moments, you know, he was he
was as candid as you can be. People that were
around him oftentimes were filled with laughter. You know, I'm

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watching the there's obviously the conversation he had very recently
and I know, I'm sure you've heard the story of
you know, a reporter asked him, you know, what would
he hit in today's baseball and he said, you know,
I don't know, probably one ninety one ninety five. And
the reporter was kind of taken back, saying, man, you
think pitching nowadays is that good? And he simply said no,
I'm eighty two years old, you know. And it's just
like it was those type of types of comments, ye

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you know from Pete Road, Pete Rose. I watched a
Tricia mackiet Fox nineteen had done years and years ago.
She had done a kind of a candid sit down
with Pete Rose and talking about his kids, and you know,
he's very proud of his his his kid and you know,
he's talking about his son. His son's going through this
twenty one game streak without a hit, and his son call.

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He says, Dad, I need help, And he says, what
are you calling me for? He says, call Tony Perez.
I never had a twenty one game hitless streak. And
it's just like the way he delivered yea and said things.
You know, he was such a funny guy. And again,
you know he he made it his effort to get
into the Hall of Fame. But while doing that, he

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traveled all over as an ambassador for the game of baseball.
And again I know that you know you're not going
to to grit And he's made comments in the past
of you know, I want to go in the Hall
of Fame when I'm dead. I want to go Hall
of Fame when I can enjoy it with my family
and my fans. And you know what happens now, I
don't know, but from a statistical chance, from a record stance,

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and and what he means, as you said, I don't
remember why watching Pete rose play, I don't remember that
he brought something to Cincinnati that Cincinnati hasn't seen. Right,
he brought championship here. He brought a style of baseball
here that you could be proud of. I mean, it is,
in my opinion, what embodies Cincinnati, the blue collar type

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of mentality him and the All Star Game running over
the I mean, it's just that type of mentality Charlie Hustle.
To me, that embodied Cincinnati. It embodied the blue collar
nature of this city and in this fan base and
in this baseball club. And we'll talk more about the
baseball club as the offseason goes on, because it's nowhere
near where it needs to be. But that was Charlie Hustle.

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That was Cincinnati baseball, and that was the blueprint for
many years of why this was a baseball city because
of what Pete and company built here. And it's again
it's hard to separate because I don't agree obviously with
what he did in betting on baseball, but you can't
look back at these records and now here in twenty

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twenty four and then I only look at the records
and look at the records and say, no one's touching
that in today's world. Like we just talked about Otani
going fifty to fifty, I'm like, man, that's never been
done in baseball.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well, think of Pete.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
He did something that will likely never ever ever be
done again in baseball. Like I said, Bobby Witt Junior
two hundred and eleven hits this year led baseball would
have to do that for twenty straight baseball seasons and
he'd still be thirty six hit shy.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I think, you know, kind of on a broader perspective,
you talked about how popular he was with the All
Century Team and how popular he was in the city
of Cincinnati. I think most people saw themselves in Pete Rows,
a normal guy who just worked harder than everybody else
and was just happy to be there and tried to
make the most of the opportunity. I think a lot

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of people just saw themselves in Pete and he appreciated
so much the opportunity he had gotten. I think he
got to try out with the Reds because his uncle
knew a scout, Yeah, and they gave him a chance
and he was able to. Obviously, you make the most
of it. And I do think it says a lot
because you know, for years and years, I don't know

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that there's ever been a more beloved athlete than Pete Rose.
It is one of those topics where you talk about
on sports talk radio, you bring up Pete and the
phone lines immediately light up because people want to talk
about it, and people are passionate about it. And even
though and this is my opinion, Pete brought a lot
of bad publicity on himself, and Pete Bought brought a

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lot of embarrassment, in my opinion, to the city of
Cincinnati and to the Reds organization. It says a lot
about how good of he was as a player that
so many people didn't even care about that they knew
that he deserved to be in because of the way
he played the game. And I think most said it
well on social media that the second half of his

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life has led to him now having a deeply complex legacy.
And you know, I don't want that to get lost
of like, yeah, that stuff exists with Pete Rose. But
when you look at him in the impact he had
on the city of Cincinnati and who he was as
a base baseball player, that's what I'm choosing to look
at today. And obviously the gambling scandal is a part

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of that. It's it's just a difficult spot for a
lot of people to be in, but for so many
people to still feel as passionately about Pete today as
they did twenty years ago and thirty years ago and
forty years ago, says a lot about who he was
as a baseball player.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
And it's you know, to me, you know, you mentioned
relating to Cincinnati and relating like I relate as a
guy who's thirty eight. Now, I've made plenty of mistakes
in my life as well, you know, and not not
to the extent that was going to get me banned
from something I love. But you know a guy who
got caught up the wrong way, who made a mistake,
and you know, he moved on and made his life

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about doing positive things around the game of baseball. And again,
I'm not saying people relate because you know of the truble,
but people relate because you know, guys make mistakes. People
humans make mistakes, and you know, he was held accountable
for his mistake for his life, his whole life, because
there would be no easier first ballot Hall of Famer

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than Pete Rose. And because of the mistakes he made,
he paid a lifelong ban for those mistakes and still
would show up still. I was watching stuff on a
I believe it was a Fox pregame show when he
was doing stuff with them with Frank Thomas and and
there's fifteen outtakes because they're just laughing so much at

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Pete Rose. And he chose to bring joy to a
lot of people when he could have said, you know what,
if baseball is going to treat me like this, I'm
done with baseball. He made his life baseball on and
off the field, and that is certainly appreciated.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Do we have at least a couple of minutes of
Johnny Bench talking today? Is it with Dan Patrick?

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:52):
This was about It was less than an hour ago
where Johnny was on with with Dan and kind of
talks about the different parts of this entire situation. This
is about four minutes. I tried to splice it all together,
so you will hear some questions, you won't hear some others,
but you will certainly hear the thoughts of Johnny Bench
on Pete Ross.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
Did you know if Pete Bett when he was playing, there.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Were words, there were talk.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
There was friends of mine who knew FBI agents and
they actually passed along the word that just hate tell
your friend to stay as far away from him as
you can. And I thought that was kind of the
as it turned out. I wasn't sure why at the
time did I know it?

Speaker 8 (15:35):
Now?

Speaker 7 (15:35):
Did I see him ever call in a bet now?
I mean we the only betting IVER saw him to
do was at the dog track in spring training. And
for Pete, you know, I think he had a chance.
I think when Uberah was the commissioner, he tried to
get Pete to sign off on a thing, and when

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Pete said, Noel beat it, then it became I will
challenge it. And it's been a losing proposition for him.
I mean, in the times that my SI bud, come on,
let's let's try to get him on. Okay, let's get
him on. Let's see if he'll do these things. It
didn't work, It didn't take. He didn't follow the rules
that they had laid down. And man, for all of us,

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I mean, there wasn't a one, I mean, Tony Perez,
Pete to Joe Morgan, there wasn't one of us that
didn't say to Pete, come on, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
And it's sad.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
It's sad we have to he has to leave his
legacy with the gambling part of it, rather than the
legacy with forty two hundred and a jillion hits, forty
two to fifty six whatever it is, five thousand best,
five All Star games in different positions, and the desire
and to make everybody better, everybody everywhere. When he made
everybody better, Hey, look what happened in Philadelphia when went

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over there and Mike Schmidt and all of those guys
just stepped it up a notch because their intensity level,
because that's what ha Pete had more than anybody.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
I can't tell if you're more mad or sad that.

Speaker 9 (17:05):
Yeah, I am.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
I am absolutely devastating. I mean I have cried. I
actually cried because I I didn't want this to happen.
I didn't want this to happen to Pete. I wanted
I wanted to save Pete. Yeah, we had our difference.
We knocked heads on some certain things and everything else.
There wasn't one time that we didn't shake hands or
hug whenever we saw each other. I didn't want it

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hanging over it. I didn't want this to be part
of baseball. I didn't want it to be a black
eye on baseball to begin with.

Speaker 9 (17:35):
But I didn't.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
More importantly, Pete gave everything to all of us, all
of us, and yet this sickness, this addiction, was too
much for him to overcome.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
What would you say to Commissioner Manfred today, Let's say
he's listening to this interview.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
He's made that decision, he's had a one on one
with Pete.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
He's had a one on one.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Hour hour and a half, so no budgeting that that
he What did you hear from that conversation he had
with Pete?

Speaker 9 (18:04):
Well, we know what his decision was. Nothing.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
No, you're not You're not going everything.

Speaker 9 (18:12):
It's just damn it, Pete.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
You did it to our us, you did it to
yourself and it and we're and we're have and we
have to talk about this.

Speaker 9 (18:23):
We have to talk.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
About what was was your life and your life no
matter how you want to do it, Forty two hundred
hits now goes.

Speaker 9 (18:32):
No, you gambled.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
Real twenty one beats Ford Real twenty one beats for
forty fifty six. And that's that's the sad thing about it,
because God could he played two hundred. I mean, every year, hits, hits, hits,
get in score, run, run the bases as good as anybody.
And for a guy to give up a position as
an All Star and be no when when George Foster

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was traded over Tony, I mean Smarty goes after Pete
and so on, you to play third.

Speaker 9 (19:01):
Okay, he was second base, then he goes to first base.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
I mean he created everything that he did with the
determination and love for the game. I don't think anybody
loved the game more than Pete.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
All right, So there is part of Johnny Bench with
Dan Patrick today. I just again awesome stuff to hear.
And there is you know, you you can tell there
there's just this real conflict, you know, of sadness and
also anger because he did he brought that on to
himself because of the decisions that he made as a

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baseball player. But it is it's hard to argue with
what that man did on the baseball field and what
he's done for the game of Major League baseball. Here's
what I want to invite you to do, because we
got Bengals to get to We're going to talk a
little reds in the little postseason baseball as well today.
But I invite you to call in today five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty if you have thoughts on Pete. If you

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have a story with Pete Rose, as so many have
over the last you know, fifteen sixteen hours since we've
learned this news, you can leave us a talk back,
but it's open to you today as well. We'll do
some of that with your calls when we get back.
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Speaker 2 (21:46):
All right, welcome back to Cincy three sixty. Your phone
calls coming up in about six or seven minutes, so
hang on hold with us. We'll get your calls on
Pete Rose and anything else that you want to talk about.
There are a couple Bengals updates to get to. The
Bengals have officially parted way with Brad Robbins.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, not a huge surprise. They had the open roster
spot after putting Trent Brown on the IR. They activated
Robbins yesterday and it looks like they made the decisions
they are going to part ways with Robbins. However, earlier today,
the Dallas Cowboys signed kJ Henry two year deal to
a two year deal off of the Bengals practice squad.

(22:23):
That was a guy last week I was saying, needs
to get some opportunities, activate him, give him a chance,
and they did not. The Cowboys obviously saw enough to
give him a two year deal that opens up a
practice squad slot. I would imagine that we'll be taken
up by Brad Robbins.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Outside of that, we'll hear a little Zach Taylor today,
but he did offer at least I think some positive
outlooks for McKinley, Jackson and Miles Murphy coming off the
IR at some point this week, and.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
The Robins move is an indication that one of those
guys at the very least is going to be yes.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
And what I would think is good news around Trey
Hendrickson as Zach Taylor's there's no nerve damer that was
reported yesterday that there's no nerve damage. They're calling it
a stinger, So something to keep an eye on, but
at least a positive in my opinion, prognosis on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaking of that position Austin, it is a position of
dire need and I would say dire because the Bengals

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are awful up front right now. Mention this with Moagar yesterday,
even with Trey Hendrickson if he had to miss time
or not. If you're still in the mindset that beat
Baltimore beat New York seasons back on, and we'll talk
later in the show today about how things set up
in the AFC North right now that give you an

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opportunity on Sunday and how things set up in the
AFC as a whole. If you're still in the mindset,
if you're the Bengals that this is the year that
you got to go do it. Would you be hesitant
at all to pick up the phone and call the
Jets about asan Redick who is clearly not going to
play for the Jets, he can't go back to Philly
based on trade rules.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Would you call the.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Jets no, because Son Reddick would do the same thing
to the Bengals that he's doing the Jets. He does
not want to play without a big contract.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Would you sign him to a big contract, knowing how
bad this defensive front is?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
No, where are they gonna get the money? Well, they
have money right now? And what's that going to say to.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Jamar Chase and t Higgins And I feel like you're
just now getting over the locker room issue. If you
go and do that and you sign him to a
huge deals.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Would they be mad or would they be happy to say, Okay,
this team's trying to win and they realize that we are.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Already Trey Hendrickson already asked for a trade because of
the money in the offseason, and you can get Pissan Reddick.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
I'd make a call. I mean, I get it, it
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
But they got a little over eight million dollars in
cap space for this year. Okay, you think that the
cap is going to go up substantially next year.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Maybe it had a huge jump this year. I don't
know if it'll go up substantially next year. And you
have a huge kit with Burrow next year, and you're
gonna have a huge hit with Chase next year.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
How much could he change the defense? Though?

Speaker 4 (25:10):
And if you get Hassan Reddick and you sign him
to a big deal, guess who's pissed off next offseason?
Trey Hendrickson again. And you gotta figure that out. I
get what you're saying. I just don't think that that.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I mean, your alternative is just to go through a
season with the defense as bad as they are.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of the decisions that they've made,
which puts on the locker room, and in my opinion,
from being at a smaller level of it would put
animosity at some point between the offense and defense in
the locker room.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Maybe.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
I don't know if that happens. I don't know if
that's trending towards happening.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
But I mean, if they lose to Baltimore, let's say,
like the Bearcats at forty four to forty one, and
the offense is sitting here, like, we just put up
forty one points in home, and we're gonna have to
do this all year. There would be a frustration there
at some point, and I don't and again, I don't.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Know who else is out there.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
There's frustration the front office because day one of the
off season last year, I know you and I had
a conversation and both of us talked about the defensive line.
I know that all off season talked about the defensive line.
We talked to Charlie Goldsmith before the season started, Charlie,
what is your biggest concern.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Still for this team? Defensive line?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
They knew about it all off season and they were
just banking on Miles Murphy and Sam Hubbard and JOSEPHO say,
and if that's the case, then your evaluation department needs
to be better. Then your draft department needs to be better.
And here's the problem. I read an article yesterday. This

(26:49):
twenty twenty five draft class is one of the weakest
first rounds we've seen. Like there are scouts saying that
there is just not a ton of first round talent
coming up in this year's draft, How do you go
about fixing the defensive line amongst all those other contract
conversations that are happening, because right now, what we're seeing
is that an elite offense, which we thought the Bengals

(27:11):
could have, is still not enough to make up for
what the defense is now. Maybe getting guys healthy, maybe
guys coming off the ir can change that, and hopefully so,
but it is something that needs to still be seen.
If not, you know, I don't know how the defense
is fixed. I don't know how the defense gets better

(27:32):
as the season goes on, especially when you look at
what a lot of these teams that the Bengals are
going to play are going to want to try to
do and what their offense is built around as well.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
We got, by the way, Hassan Reddick this year with
the Jets. His base salary is fourteen million, two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars and he's not playing, So that
tells you what the type of money he's looking for.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Let's break, let's come back, Let's get some of the
phone calls. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.
We've got a lot to talk about with the offense.
Louis Na Rumo made a statement about Jordan Battle yesterday
I thought was interesting. We have Zach Taylor audio, We've
got some snap count conversations, a recap of why Austin
the NFL got it right by putting two Monday night

(28:17):
games in some of these weeks, because had we just
had to deal with that first Monday night football game
last night? Holy cow, man, was I wrong about the Titans?
Oh my goodness, Oh my god. But that second Monday
night football game delivered in a big, big way. We'll
talk about that. Major League Baseball's postseason is set. What
is the Red's biggest need going into the offseason? What's

(28:40):
the latest on the head coaching search? And oh my gosh,
that's a funny question. And what's the Red's biggest need?
And did you hear this? Austin More reds raking in
awards right now? Have you seen the latest?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Man?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Nick Martinez? Martinez has been named the National League Pitcher
of the Month for the month of September.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Congratulations and Nick Martinez.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
C two and two thirds inning, zero point eight three earned.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Run average, who has a player option this year that
I'm sure he will exercise to go get.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Some cash man in the offseason. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
By the way, one other Pete note before we go
into Greg Gregory hood and just sent this on Twitter
as it pertained to what Bobby Witt Junior would have
to do. Joey Vado legend here in Cincinnati half as
many hits as Pete Rose did. It's unbelievable. The longevity
is incredible. Your phone calls are next five, one, three, seven,
four nine, fifteen thirty. We're a service of Skyline Chili

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Speaker 2 (30:27):
Joe Daniman will join us at one o'clock as he
does each and every Tuesday Mulagger for quick hits and
Locks of the Night. Mos that the Cold Rain beat
ups today from three to six for his show, stop
on out to seem We've got plenty more to go,
plenty on the bangles, plenty on Major League Baseball, and
an unbelievable, unbelievably fun day yesterday as the playoff field
is now set, and take a look at Monday Night football.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Has so much fun watching baseball yesterday.

Speaker 9 (30:53):
It was.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
It's just it's insane how fun that is.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
And you forget how fun it is to play meaningful
baseball like that until like I'm sitting there with Mo
yesterday and we did like two segments of the Tony
and Moe Football Show talking about baseball like it just
there's still a passion there and there's still that desire there.
But you watched that last yesterday and it's like, man,
I long for that. I long to just feel what

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it feels like to be in that game. Unbelievable stuff.
Will dive more into that later. Let's take some phone
calls here as we get into the second half of
our number one. Let's start with Susan Hi. Susan Hi,
how are you good.

Speaker 9 (31:36):
How are you just fine?

Speaker 14 (31:39):
Growing up in the late sixties seventies.

Speaker 15 (31:42):
I love the Reds.

Speaker 14 (31:44):
Love Pete Rose, but pre as Johnny Bench said, he
had a disease.

Speaker 9 (31:50):
But there are rules. He never once felt remorse.

Speaker 16 (31:56):
I don't believe, because he kept gambling once he owned.

Speaker 17 (31:59):
Depth what he did.

Speaker 13 (32:01):
And then this straw that broke my back with him,
this guy from La the.

Speaker 9 (32:06):
Picture whose agent supposedly did all the gambling.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yes, Pete Rose said, Oh, I wish I would have
had an agent back then.

Speaker 9 (32:18):
Well, that's like saying he's not sorry for what he did.
He would have done it.

Speaker 18 (32:22):
If he could have found a way to get out
of it.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean that was that was one of the
things he said when bud Selik asked him, why did
you do it? And he said, because I didn't think
I'd get caught.

Speaker 9 (32:36):
Yes, And he never felt remorse.

Speaker 15 (32:38):
He kept gambling.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
And if you are professional in any sport, you have
to follow the rules.

Speaker 18 (32:49):
And little kids.

Speaker 19 (32:50):
Are looking up to you, guys that play sports, and
if they think that, oh, well he can do it,
he can get off because he's Pete.

Speaker 9 (32:57):
Rose, well they'll do it. Yeah, there are consequences.

Speaker 17 (33:03):
He's gotta face, I don't think he should be in
the hall.

Speaker 13 (33:07):
He was absolutely the best, but rules or rules, that's
my opinion, Susan.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I appreciate the phone call, thank you, and I think
that's the frustrating side of Pete is that there they
didn't feel that remorse. You know, I listened to Steven A.
Smith earlier. I retweeted the video Steve, and they said,
murderers get off quicker than what Pete Rose has. And
again it's it's a little hypocritical at this point because

(33:36):
now you're doing business with sports books and I understand that,
but Pete didn't help himself out. No one is saying
that Pete helped himself in his case, but from a
player standpoint, it's hard to knock where or what he
was able to do.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Mark, what's up.

Speaker 20 (33:54):
Yeah, I'm one of those last generation of people. That's
how he play. I mean, I got and full of
memories of when I saw him play. But you know,
he gets overlooked. For the nineteen ninety World Series team
that was Pete's team. You know, the core of that team,
they all came up under Pete. So and my comment

(34:18):
on the whole subject, I think Baseball should be shame
of themselves for not putting him in the Hall of Fame.
I think he deserved that once he admitted it. I
think that they should have put him in. Not let
him back in baseball, but they should have put him
in the Hall of Fame. And if if I was Pete,
I don't know if Pete did this or not, you know,

(34:40):
tell his family, like if Baseball comes to his family
and want to put him in, and I hope his
family gets Baseball the middle finger. So that's my take
on that when I think Baseball dropped the ball by
not putting him in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 9 (34:54):
Yeah, so I'll get off Mark.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
I appreciate that. Thank you for your call. JT. What's
out man?

Speaker 15 (35:01):
Hey, I got a funny story about Pete Rose.

Speaker 19 (35:04):
I start off with, my grandmother was next door neighbors
with Pete Rose and the Rose family, so she used
the babysit for Pete Rose back in the day. And
her name, her maiden name was Charlotte Zimmer as in
like the zimmer Don Zimmer family, so like through my
mom's side, I'm a Zimmer. So I'm in Las Vegas

(35:28):
about ten years ago and I see Pete rose at
one of those like baseball card shops.

Speaker 15 (35:33):
Signing autographs and signing balls.

Speaker 19 (35:35):
So I decided to go in there, and like there's
a line a mile long, and I made it through,
and I shook his hand and said, hey, I'm you
know Don Zimmer's relative. My grandmother was Charlotte Zimmer. And
he takes me around the back. He's like, oh, you're
a Zimmer. I got so many stories for you, and
we're exchanging funny stories, and he basically said, you know

(35:56):
your great grandfather Bert, he's the first person you uh
take me to the racetrack at turf Way Park. You know,
it's forth Kentucky. I was like, oh, that's great. So
you're basically saying, like my great grandfather for teaching you
how to gamble. I was like, that's great information.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm telling him a story.

Speaker 19 (36:15):
I'm like, yeah, so can you confirm this, pet Like
this is like a legendary story amongst my family that
you showed up to my grandmother's wedding. You had a
couple of drinks in you, and then I guessed my
grandpa Bert, and then Don Zimmer and then a couple
other people took you outside and roughed you up and
you know, kicked you out of.

Speaker 15 (36:33):
The wedding for crashing it.

Speaker 19 (36:35):
And he goes and he looked like a little bit
uncomfortable and like shifting in the sea, like, oh, man,
I didn't end upset you. He looked at me and
he goes, they said they roughed me up. Huh And
I said, well, yeah.

Speaker 21 (36:44):
That's what they said.

Speaker 19 (36:45):
I'm like, no offense.

Speaker 21 (36:46):
He goes, they didn't rough.

Speaker 19 (36:47):
Me up, they beat my ass and he starts cracking
up what heaven? And he goes the worst part it
was my dad was at the wedding and he joined
in on.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
The ass beating. Thanks, thanks for the call.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Thank you, man, I appreciate it. You know, Austin, I've
probably seen it. And again, when a tragedy like this happens,
the stories that come out, I've seen more posts from
people that didn't know Pete or Pete didn't know them
from anyone, and there's a you know, I saw Pete
at an airport once and he sat and talked to
me for twenty minutes or you know, we talked about
athletes all the time. That you meet someone and you

(37:21):
feel like you're wasting their time or they're too busy
for you. Everything you hear about Pete, he was willing
to sit and talk with you. He's willing to tell stories,
and I think he enjoyed so much that aspect of
what he was able to do after baseball. Let's get
one more phone call in here before we get to
a break. What's up, Bruce?

Speaker 17 (37:37):
Hi?

Speaker 15 (37:38):
I just have a quick question. Since the Reds are
doing all this supposedly shopping today for a new manager,
is there any way that and I know this might
be a sore subject that they could maybe do some
shopping around for a new general manager. And my question
is is Nick Crawl the best person for this job

(37:59):
since he seems to be so critical of David Bell.
I don't know what the other players in that think
of him, because if he's supposed to be developing talent,
I don't see it. That's all all. Listen for your comment, Bruce.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, I don't know about the Nick Cross situation.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
I mean, I think you can look at this organization
and where they were five years ago to where they
are now, and they are I think most would agree
better off in terms of talent and minor league system.
A lot of it is at the big league level.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
YEP.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
A lot of it is why they won eighty two
games two years ago, and there's plenty of reasons why
they didn't reach that mark at least this year. But
I think the talent acquisition is on the right track now.
Once you develop the talent, that's a different story. Or
trying to develop the talent, that's a different story. Nick
did say there's gonna be some changes in the wire leagues.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
We did find out yesterday that Barry Larkin will not
be the next Reds manager. Shocker that his name has
been off the list now for Red's managers. One other
Pete Rose story before we break, Did you see what
Jimmy Burrow said? Joe Burrow's dead. I did see this.
This is he He shared a story on X yesterday
and he said a friend of mine called one day

(39:22):
and said, I'm with someone that wants to ask you
a question. And Jimmy Burrow puts him on the phone
and the guy says, uh, are you the one who
taught Joe Burrow to play tough like I played baseball?
And Jimmy Burrow said it was Pete Rose who said
I love watching Joe play. And you know Jimmy Burrows Wow,
and you know just something like that that you know

(39:42):
it Peaches probably sitting back like man, I love watching
this guy play. I want to give his dad a call.
I want to talk to his dad. But stories like that,
you you've heard so many that have come out and
somebody that will continue to come out. We welcome yours
with talkbacks today or phone calls five one, three, seven,
four nine, fifteen thirty. Let's put a bow on our
number one with a little baseball talk. When we get back,

(40:03):
we'll switch gears. We'll ask Joe Danamon about Pete Rose,
We'll ask Joe danmaman a lot about the Cincinnati Bengals,
and plenty more Bengals as we go.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
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postseason that is now set. After yesterday's baseball action gets
underway today Austin. Four baseball games today, Detroit at Houston,

(41:06):
Kansas City at Baltimore, the New York Mets at Milwaukee,
and the Atlanta Braves had the San Diego for their
game as well. The Braves and Mets both in because
they split their doubleheader yesterday. Had one of those teams
swept the doubleheader, the losing team would have been eliminated
in the Arizona Diamondbacks would have taken their place. How

(41:28):
they got there is about as crazy as it can get.
The New York Mets trailed three to nothing before putting
up a six run eighth inning against the Atlanta Braves.
They lead six to three going into the bottom of
the eighth. They bring in their star closer, Edwin Diaz
with a one out for a five out save. Edwin

(41:49):
Diaz goes on to give up four four runs after
not covering first base on a ground ball.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Commonly referred to as ed loose, Diz correct.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Correct, which made it seven to six Mets. I'm sorry,
seven to six Braves going into the ninth inning before
Francisco Lindor who Austin had it not been for the
year of Shoho Tani. Francisco Lindor is the MVP.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I do not disagree with that at all. He was
just fantasic.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Lindor hits a two run home run to put the
Mets on top. They win it in the ninth, meaning
that they made their playoff birth. Braves win Game two,
and it puts the Mets and the sixth seed to
face the Milwaukee Brewers again. The winner or the Phillies
await to winner of that series. Braves padres with the

(42:40):
Dodgers awaiting the winner of that. Kansas City Baltimore has
New York waiting the winner of that, and then Detroit
Houston will then head to Cleveland with whoever wins that series.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
All right, so now you have to make a team
a pick.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Okay, who is the team that you are officially adopting
in the Major League Baseball Playoff?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
You know, I'd like to see make a run? Who
would you like to see the Kansas City Royals. Oh okay,
why them? Bobby Witt Junior. And that's a team that
lost a ton of games last year. Okay, it gives
us Cincinnati fans hope.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
All right, so you're not rooting for Cleveland? No, God, no,
absolutely not.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
No.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
In the National League, is it wrong to say the Brewers? No,
like they are a relatively likable team.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
They are, But I actually I think I think I'm
gonna go for San Diego.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Okay, I think they're likable as well. There's part of.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Me in this, you know, just feeling against I don't
know the right word I'm looking for right now. But
then this rebellious mindset, I want the teams that have
spent a lot of money to actually win. Yeah, like
the watch this, like the Mets to go and knock
off the Brewers and the Mets, I mean the or

(43:58):
the Dodgers or somebody like that. The teams that have
spent money. I kind of want them to win.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 22 (44:04):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
That being said, the team I'm officially adopting no surprise
is the Detroit Tigers.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Do you know that Detroit does not have one player
on their postseason roster that they acquired via no agency.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Nobody home grown their lineup today. I think seven or
eight of the players in the lineup were at one
point in trile a this year.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Isn't that nuts? It's incredible. I'm rooting for the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
That that that statistic is hard to believe, unbelievable. All right,
that's all we have on baseball again. We'll talk more
Pete Rose with your talkbacks. We'll take calls later in
the show as well. We're gonna talk to Joe Danemon
a little about Pete and more about the Cincinnati Bengals.
We'll recap a crazy Monday night football night, and uh

(44:54):
we'll put a bow on week four and look ahead
to week five and we've got plenty to get to
around the Cincinnati Bengals. Will play Little Zach Taylor audio
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(46:54):
Joe Daniman joining us right now.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Joe, what's up, gentlemen?

Speaker 9 (46:58):
Would you like a funny story? Yeah, okay, I think
Cincinnati needs a little moment of levity. Here a funny story.
So this was before last week. I didn't get a
chance to relay this story because we jumped right into
some heavy Bengals talk before they had a win like
they did on Sunday against the Carolina Panthers. So I

(47:19):
always listen to you guys while I'm getting ready for work,
and that's usually in the one o'clock hour. So I'm
in my bathroom and I actually listen to you guys.
Now we're big reveal here, guys. I listened to you
guys while in the shower sometimes. Well, and so the
kids are at school, my wife at home. I'm in
the shower and talkbacks are on, and one of the

(47:42):
talkbacks is the Kermit the Frog talkback. So my wife
must have been walking down the hall and heard the
talk back. She comes and knocks on the door and says,
what the hell are you listening? It's some hours. This
is the Sincy three sixty experience right here. I'm not

(48:04):
watching the Muppet Babies. I'm listening to Tony and Austin
and Cincinnati's great talkbackers. And I've had I've been getting
a kick out of that for a week.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Shower Man, nothing like it, Danmn. Have you ever been
a shower beard type of guy?

Speaker 23 (48:21):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (48:21):
So I have a great story. Okay, so my freshman
year of college at Syracuse. It's kind of an icebreaker.
You know, all the frats are always looking for young
people to join the fret to pledge the Frats. So
they threw one of the frats in Syracuse through a
flag football tournament the opening weekend we were there. So
we're talking like six flag football games in August on

(48:46):
an August afternoon on a weekend in Syracuse. Our quarterback
happened to be a guy who lived on my floor
and we became friends quickly the first week I was there,
and he was ended up being a walk on the
Syracuse basketball team, so he was the next level athlete.
He played quarterback for US. We won the whole thing.

(49:06):
We were so exhausted at the end of the day.
The frat provided us all eighteen and nineteen year old
of us UH with with some some prizes, yes, with
a little congratulations that they came in in the fum
of a twelve pack. We were so exhausted, we all
like took chairs to the shower and we sat in

(49:28):
the shower. Each had our own little solid a chair
and a nice shower beer to celebrate our victory as
freshman series.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
That's a that's a different type of similar most weekends,
the shower beer. So you've always grabbed quarterbacks have just
always gravitated towards you, Joe, is what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
That's right. They might to throw darts to me kind
of like you.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yep, you are officially and the crew. Obviously we have
a Bengals wind to get to. Before we get to that.
I know it's it's hectic and probably happening all the
the place. Do you have a Pete Row in your
time of covering sports here in Cincinnati and what you've
been a part of. Do you have a Pete Rose
story that sticks out?

Speaker 9 (50:08):
Yeah? I do, And it's interesting because you know, being
from here. Look, my first memory of sports, and this,
this is the God's honest truth, was September eleventh, nineteen
eighty five, to night Pete Rose broke the record. I've
had in the back of my mind, this fuzzy memory
that Joe Morgan toasted Pete with a beer live on

(50:28):
the air the night he broke the record, And I
went back and watched the game broadcast last night when
I got home from Wark to see if my memory
was right, almost forty years later, and sure enough, there's
Ken Wilson and Joe Morgan saying this bud for you
after Pete broke the record. And I think it's interesting
that you know my generation, our generation, Johnny, I'll throw

(50:49):
you in.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
My general thank you.

Speaker 9 (50:50):
We saw Pete as the adult with the controversy, with
the gambling, and then welcome back Cincinnati into the Hall
of Fame here at Great American Ballparks and then the
franchise for at the All Star Game. That's the Pete.
We saw my dad's generation, the generation before us, they
saw Pete the baseball player, and that generation has a

(51:14):
different view of Pete. And I think that's what's interesting
about Pete. It's how different everyone's perspective is given on
what they experienced, and that's what makes him so unique
in Cincinnati. He's he's like, he's like a beautiful model
with a broken nose, right. You know, he has all
these things that everybody loves, but there's always that one

(51:35):
bit of this his bio that's always going to follow him.
But one thing that's generational for Pete, whether you grew
up as a Pete baseball fan or you're in my generation,
you experienced Pete as the player manager and then ultimately
with the controversy with the gambling, was Pete's personality led
him to be one of the all time great baseball storytellers.

(51:57):
And that's to me my memory at Pete Rose and
the job I did and getting the chance to be
around him. Whenever there is the Hall of Fame weekend
for when whatever red legend went into the Hall of
Fame or these legendary callbacks to Great American Ballpark, you know,
Pete was at the ballpark last summer when Bronson Arroyo
went in, and some of his stories were great, And

(52:18):
the one that always sticks with me that I've heard
him tell multiple times is a great story. It's it's
when his son, Pete Junior, was going through a slump
and he was like two for thirty and needed advice,
and he called Pete his dad at for advice on
how to get out of a two for thirty slump,
and Pete, in delivering one of the great punchlines of

(52:41):
all times, said how would I know how to get
out of the slump? I was never in one. He said,
call Concepcione. He can help you with that answer. So
that was the one that Pete said a lot that
I heard, a lot that always stuck with me, that
always got a great laugh from whatever crowd he was.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Speaking to H Joe. Let's let's switch gears.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Let's talk about this Cincinnati Bengals team, because you know,
for the first time we've got to talk after a
game this year, we're talking about a win. And yet
because of the circumstances, I still think people feel differently
about it. Look, because they started zero to three, there
was never a win win moment to go to Carolina
and win. It was if you lose, the season is

(53:22):
essentially over. If you win, okay, you were supposed to win,
but at least it sets you up with the opportunity
now against the Baltimore Ravens to try to get this
thing back on track. When you look at that win
on Sunday, what is it about that performance that stands
out to you?

Speaker 9 (53:38):
I think that's a great point. And I was curious
how Cincinnati would digest that win, whether it be just
the blanket joy of getting a win, or would there
be concerned again the way it looked. I'll say this
from what I experienced inside the Bengals locker room, and
I didn't know what to expect from a group that
through the first months had only come away with one win.

(53:59):
There wasn't a sense of relief, and that's kind of
what I expected when I walked in, that that would
be the natural emotion, that the team would just be
relieved they got one and maybe now they can start
stacking and building on it. The energy was certainly different.
The music was louder, there were smiles, the voices were louder,
But relief definitely is not the word I would use

(54:22):
it was a sense of we have a lot of
work to do, we have a big hole to get
out of, and this is just the start of that.
And I think to your point, I think a lot
of people can sense within the locker room that even
though they won Sunday, it's still not good enough, especially
on the defensive side of the football. And I'm sure

(54:44):
that's where a lot of this conversation will go. But
just the general tone of the locker room was a
little different than I expected. I expected them to be relieved.
What I walked away was was a team that still
understands it has a lot of work to do. It
has a mountainous challenge in front of them, considering who

(55:04):
they're playing this coming week in the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Let's start on the defensive side of the ball, because again,
it wasn't you know, a performance to ride home about
the defense still struggling. Now, they did find a way
to force the turnover, they did find a way to
get the fourth and one goal line stop. All that
being said, they still gave up over five yards of
carry Cam Taylor britt struggled, The defensive line struggled in

(55:28):
times that the whole defense has struggled outside of Logan
Wilson and really Trey Hendrickson. Are you at a point
now where it feels like this is just what this
team is going to be? I don't know what the
fix is at this point when you talk about this
Bengals defense as a whole.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
The one pushback I have on saying and just conceding
this is what it's going to look like is the
way it looked in Kansas City. And you and I
talked about this, what's the difference between this team and
the way they played in Kansas City and then every
other week they played so far this year? And I
think it can be peeled back and talked about in

(56:07):
different ways. And I think obviously the familiarity in the
field that lou Anroumo has for Patrick Mahomes led the
Bengals to having a good performance in Kansas City. But
also that day they had Sheldon Rankins, they had BJ Hill,
and they had Trey Henderson play like an All pro
that he can be and I quite honestly he might
be this season. So is that the ceiling for the Bengals?

(56:32):
Can Can they play like that again? If they have
their full complement of guys. When will they have their
full compliment of guys again or is that just one
outlier and Patrick Mahomes just didn't play well that day
and just doesn't play well against the Bengals and maybe
it was misleading that the defense can't perform like that.
To me, it just goes back to right now, I

(56:53):
don't think they have the personnel defensively even to be
good enough for this offense to then go do what
it does and win games. I still think that it's
going to be an achilles heel for this team, and
Sundays Sunday to me is it's kind of my my
waterloo with this defense. Okay, Like, if you're gonna show

(57:14):
me that you can, this is going to be the
Sunday to do it. Because what they did against Washington
still stands in the back of my mind. And when
you think about what Baltimore is, Baltimore is just Washington
on steroids. It's it's Jaydon Daniels is now Lamar Jackson,
it's it's Brian Robinson is now Derek Henry. And guess
what Baltimore has that Washington doesn't. That's a functional defense

(57:35):
who can make some plays and knows how to play
winning football. The one thing I will say to wrap
this thought is, look, the NFL is such a week
to week league. You never know what a team is
going to look like on a given week. But outside
of one bad quarter against the Raiders and one half
inch of a tow against the Chiefs, Baltimore's potably looked

(58:00):
as good as anybody through the first month of the season.
I know what Minnesota is doing, but is that sustainable.
We'll see. Given their pedigree, their track record, and how
they played outside of that one quarter against the Raiders,
this is as good as the NFL's got. It's coming
to Cincinnati on Sunday, and a defense that needs to
get right is about to be tested by the kind

(58:22):
of offense that it probably doesn't want to see that
forces them to read, react, tackle in space, and play fast.
Those are challenges the Bengals have not met so far
this year, and now they get it in one of
the bigger games of the season on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
You sound like my Bearcats right now. One bad quarter
and a couple of plays away from being undefeated. So yeah,
we're in the same spot here. Listen, the defensive side
we saw they made the move and they got DJ Turner.
More snaps on that game on Sunday, and DJ Turner
played really well. I was a little taken back by
Anna Rumo's comments on Jordan Battle. But knowing how the

(58:58):
defense is played at this point, do you think that
the the trigger will be a little quicker. Do you
think that that they will be more apt to try
to find new pieces to fit in there to see
what works, knowing that they are now playing with their
box against the wall.

Speaker 9 (59:14):
I think it should be. I think it better be.

Speaker 24 (59:16):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (59:16):
You know, Jordan Battle meets a shot and it doesn't
make sense why he hasn't gotten it yet from what
the Bengals have seen from the two players playing their position.
And you know, you can go back in your archives
and pull this up. This is not and I told
you so, but it's It was a concern for me
having Geno Stone and von be in the back end
of a defense. Could they could they run and react

(59:41):
to the point where they could be difference makers in
the four to six seconds of a snap. We all
knew the first you know, the thirty seconds leading up
to the snap, that that those two might be able
to help this team communicate better, get lined up better,
and therefore maybe perform better. But could they when the
ball is in play those four to six second play better?
And certainly they haven't played well enough for this team

(01:00:04):
not to give Jordan Battle a shot at that position.
You made a great point. Why are they so adapt
to giving DJ Turner a shot and going to this
rotation at corner and not doing the same thing at
the other position on defense that appears it needs some
help or at least someone deserving a shot. So yeah,

(01:00:26):
I think to your point, I think get better. I
think you better give them a look because right now
what they have out there isn't good enough. And if
they're going to do that with DJ Turner and Cam
Tail their bread in the cornerback rotation, why wouldn't they
do the same thing at rotation at safety and give
Jordan Battles to a young player who probably needs more time,
more tape for them to fully evaluate who he is.

(01:00:48):
Why not give him that shot because right now what's
out there just isn't performing as it should.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Is it sustainable Joe on the offensive side of the
ball for them to find ways to win having to
play that great each time they take the field. I
just I think about the pressure that would eventually build
in the offense, knowing you know that that feeling, you know,
I I a ecquated this a lot, and I know
it's not the same, but I talk a lot about

(01:01:14):
when when high school sports, when I was growing up
with Cole Raine, when they were really good and they
ran that triple option, and you knew, as as opposing offense,
you're only going to get so many opportunities because they're
going to possess the ball. For the Bengals, yep, you know,
as an offense, are you going to start pressing to say, man,
we have to score on nearly every drive because of
how the defense is playing. And is that sustainable for

(01:01:37):
an offense over a season.

Speaker 9 (01:01:40):
No, that's not sustainable for an offense to play to
that standard every single week. You look back to last year,
even when the Bengals got humming, right when they went
to San Francisco and got the win, and then you
look at how Burrow played against the Texans. He didn't
play up to his standard. That that just happens. Good players,
good teams, great offenses don't play great every week. Now,

(01:02:00):
I think it's sustainable that they can have one of
the three, four or five best offenses in the NFL.
In fact, I think that should be the expectation for
this offense. The way they looked, especially with the Marius
Men's coming in and looking like he can settle into
that spot at right tackle and do just fine. And
then you saw the chemistry of Joe Burrow and t Higgins,
and then the big playability of Jamar Chase and then

(01:02:23):
now you're seeing Zach Moss and Chase Brown, and I
get it it was Carolina, but you're starting to see
how they can deploy those two and use those two
as weapons for this offense to be effective. So certainly,
I think the expectations should be that they do sustain
a level where they are one of the four or
five best offenses in the NFL for the rest of

(01:02:43):
the season. However, to expect them to have to do
that every single week is not going to happen. It's
unfair for the expectation. You know, Joe Burrows is as
good as he is, and right now he's probably a
sneaky back door bet leg for MVP, considering his numbers
and the way he's taking care of the football and

(01:03:04):
what he's probably going to have to do to carry
this team to a good season and ultimately a playoff season.
But yeah, the expectation for this offense now has to
be that they perform at the level where they can
carry the defense, because I don't have faith that the
defense can even get to where what we said before
the season was just be okay, just be fine and

(01:03:26):
let the offense do what the offense does and win
you football games. I don't have the confidence that this
defense can even get to that point where they're just okay,
that they can have the offense do what the offense does.
So I think it's unfair for the offense to have
to play with this kind of pressure where they have
to feel like they're perfect. There will be Sundays and
Mondays and Thursdays when they are able to do that

(01:03:49):
and they can carry a team, but there's going to
be games like the Texas game last year where Joe
just misses a couple of throws. There isn't perfect and
has an off game, and a defense has a good
scheme and the Bengals offense just can't do what it
can to carry the defense, and the Bengals are going
to take some els, and right now this team doesn't
have a long enough leash to take the kind of

(01:04:13):
ls that they might have to because of the current
state of the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
What's the next step the offense can take her? Where
can the offense be better?

Speaker 9 (01:04:20):
In your opinion, tough man, that's a tough one. Certainly
you're starting to see right now it's becoming Jamar Chase
and t Higgins and the running backs that they want
to feature. Andre Yoshibas had the one play, and it
was a heck of a play by him in a
great throw by Joe Burrow. But certainly you saw this
week and even back to Washington, you know, Andre had

(01:04:43):
some plays late in the game where he got open,
made some plays down the field. I still wonder if
they're able to find a third receiving option to go
with the top two. Mikasicki has taken a step back
the last couple of weeks in his production. Like I said,
Andrea only had the one catch. But if Case Brown
and Dak Moss are going to get thirty combined touches

(01:05:05):
a game, you're still going to want to get te
his eight to ten targets, Jamar his ten targets and
then you start running out of places you can go
with the football. But I have no issues with what
the offense is doing right now. What's another level for
the offense? What is it? At one point they had
gone twelve straight possessions where they had scored on eleven

(01:05:27):
of those twelve possessions. Now I will say this, that's
against Washington, that's against Carolina. Baltimore comes to Cincinnati with
a very functional defense and a pedigree of playing well
on that side of the ball. They know how to
play winning football. They played winning football on that side
of the ball for a long time. Sunday is going
to be interesting to me, not only for what Baltimore's

(01:05:50):
defense can do against the Bengals offense, but obviously what
the Bengals defense can do against that offense. It's going
to be really interesting. I think a good measuring stick
for us to watch his fans. Look, the Bengals are
not in a place where this is a measuring stick game.
They got to win the game. They've lost the margin
of error to drop all these AFC North games like

(01:06:11):
they typically do and then feast on everybody else. But
for us, people who observe people who talk about the team.
This is a moment where you see them go up
against a championship caliber offense and defense and really get
a better feel for what they've got outside of going
to Carolina and beating them and then also torching Washington's

(01:06:31):
very poorous defense on the Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Night, Joe, before I let you go, you know, we
talked about needing a win on Sunday because one and four,
Let's just face it, it feels a lot different. At two
and three. You start looking, Okay, here's where everyone sits
in the AFC. North Cleveland is not going places you've
tied yourself with Baltimore. That's a great opportunity, and Pittsburgh
doesn't look like it has the offense to run away

(01:06:53):
with anything. Just talk to me about the different feel
of two and three and four. Albeit it's early in
the season, but that is a completely different feeling knowing
that you got the Giants in the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
After that's right, it kind of sets itself up as
a runway, you know, And the word momentum is it's
such a funny thing in sports, But we've seen this
team in the streaks. They can go on and especially
when you start looking at the teams who have gone
from zero to three to the playoffs, they have a
chunk of the season where they get hot and they

(01:07:28):
just win a lot of games in a row and
good feelings, goodbyes, good energy. That kind of momentum can
carry a team from week to week. I truly do
believe that. And so now you're having a win in Carolina.
It didn't look great from the defensive side of the ball,
but if you're able to win that game like they did,
and then you do beat Baltimore, then you got a shot.

(01:07:50):
You go to New York and then beat Cleveland two
games that if the Bengals aren't favored, it's going to
be a game that we all believe here in Cincinnati
that if they play well, they can and should win.
Even though Leveland's had the Bengals matter, especially with Joe
Burrow at quarterback. But I think there's a moment here
right There's gonna be a moment in the season where
the Bengals have to reel off and rip off some wins.

(01:08:13):
And this still feels like the moment in time, even
though Baltimore's on the schedule where there's some vulnerability for
them to make the kind of run. So that's where
two and three and one and four feels different. That
they're going to have to have a streak at some point,
they're gonna have to go on a streak of winning
four in a row, winning five in a row, winning
four out of five. Is this the moment where they
do it? And then you get this thing right quickly?

(01:08:35):
And then look towards the rest of the season, because
one in four, with still some of the games they
have left on the schedule, including five AFC North games
after this Sunday, then you're still looking at a really
daunting task of digging out of a hole and getting
yourself back to the playoffs. And what is looking more
and more like again another year where the AFC can

(01:08:57):
be won by anybody, considering what's going on in Kansas
City with the injuries, considering what Buffalo looked like in Baltimore,
and then considering what Baltimore's history is in the playoffs,
the Bengals can just get themselves in by that point
of the year. Maybe some of the younger guys on
defense have stepped up, the Chris Jenkins of the world.
Maybe Jordan Battle's playing and playing well at that point.

(01:09:20):
Maybe it's a different looking team in January than it
is in September.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Dan, I man, you're the man. Cannot thank you enough.
Always appreciate your time, always looking forward to Tuesdays here
and catching up. Enjoy the rest of your week. We'll
talk next week.

Speaker 9 (01:09:33):
Boy, send me some texts. Yeah, getting tech from you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Oh, you've You've just opened up a door that you
don't want to go. You don't want to You don't
want that. Joe, have you seen the McMahon documentary?

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
Joe, No, I've only seen clips on online on Twitter.
It's on a back load of things I need to
watch and my wife. My life has been pretty hectic
these days, but I always squeeze in talkbacks and a
little bit of Kermit the Frog. Well, taking my shower,
getting ready.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
For grab a quick shower, Flip it on and we'll
get the talkbacks when we get back. Thank you, Joe.
See boy there he is the Dean Joe Daniman Fox nineteen.
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Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
We appreciate that we got heck yeah right, Hello the
stars over talk back show. You know, speaking of Ronnie,
I saw a video last night Austin when Pete broke
the record and he got a phone call from Ronald
Reagan at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Yeah, very cool, very cool video, pretty neat.

Speaker 16 (01:12:07):
Tony, Austin, Alex and Silverton. On September fifth, I left
to talk back asking for your guys' hotest takes up
to the NFL season. Mine was the Commanders would win
the NFC East. It's looking good so far. Tony yours
was Green Bay wouldn't be as good as what people
were saying, which I don't know if it's totally right
just yet. And Austin yours was the Texans or the

(01:12:31):
Jaguars winning win the AFC South. I mean, it's so far,
looks good.

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
I mean Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Though, Yeah, how about Mason Rudolph last night gets thrown
into the game in Tennessee and there's this dude sitting
in the stands watching who bet on Miami. His girlfriend's
next to him and she pulls up that Mason Rudolph
had slid into her DMS that very week. I'm not
buying that video. That's a that's a bad if. So
that's a bad week for that guy.

Speaker 9 (01:12:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:12:58):
Well, I used to work in healthcare and I have
the priv was to take care of Pete Rose's little
league coach once, and he told me stories about Pete
and how he would use his grandma's address to play
for I believe the Dell High squad because he lived
in Sailor Park, I think, and he wanted to play
for the good team. And you know, I asked him
what he was like, and he tells me he was
just like he was as an adult, cocky, full of himself,

(01:13:19):
but backed it up on the field. And you know,
Peaches manifested his destiny.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 8 (01:13:25):
Rip p D.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I mean, if you're going to manifest what he was
able to do, that's it.

Speaker 15 (01:13:30):
Pete Rose, thank you for the memories. Watching the Bud
Harrelson skirmish as a nine year old in seventy.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Three was great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Number fourteen Rest in peace, well said.

Speaker 26 (01:13:49):
Hey fellows, Kevin in order getteg You're so sad hearing
about Pete Rose passing away last night, Like Manny, he
was my all time favorite red And when I seen
that last night on X Man, another piece of my
childhood just passed away. He just wow, what else can
you say? He was a hit king, He was Charlie Hustle.

(01:14:10):
He was one of one and he'll truly be missed.
Thanks for the memories, Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Thank you, Kevin start bench cut.

Speaker 27 (01:14:19):
According to dictionary dot com, what is the proper way
to say our football team's name?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Bengal, Oh boy, Bengal or Bengal? Thank you were wrong
on all three? Yeah, probably Bengal.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
It's Bengalsngals, It's not Bengals, and it's not Bengals.

Speaker 28 (01:14:44):
Hey, guys, christ Indiana. Here, I'm going to share a
quick Pete Road story that was somewhat recent. Back in
the summer, My family and I boarded a flight to
go back home to Cincinnati from California, and Pete was
actually sitting a few rows in as we were boarding,
and I didn't want to call too much attention to
him or make it awkward, but he saw my red
sat he saw my son and I kind of looking
over at him, and he stuck his fist out and

(01:15:06):
gave my kid a fist bump, and we shouted, go
red Legs, And that was a really special moment. Cincinnati
lost a legend today. Rip Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Yeah, thank you, for sure.

Speaker 24 (01:15:16):
This is former President Ronald Reagan, and real you know,
baseball keeps saying this whole Pete Rose saga has been
a black eye on the sport. But it's been Baseball
that keeps stoking that black eye fire, not Pete, and
certainly not us fans. What Pete did as a manager
was wrong, but not a one of us thought of
him as a Hall of Fame manager. He was a

(01:15:38):
Hall of Fame player. And as for me, he's in
my Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Thank you, President Reagan.

Speaker 29 (01:15:46):
Hey guys, Jeff and you Richmond obviously, like everyone else,
sad to hear about the passing of Pete Rose. I
only got to see Pete play a couple times when
I was a littler guy, but just what he meant
to this city is something that will never forget. So
gott cherish the memories because you never know how long

(01:16:08):
you're gonna be here. But anyway, I just wanted to
chime in hope you guys have a great day.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Thank you, Jeff.

Speaker 30 (01:16:16):
Rest in peace, Pete Rose. Very sad day in the city.
People are gonna make their jokes and all that stuff,
but I'll choose to remember him as the hit King,
one of the greatest Reds, one of the greatest players
of all time. And also I kind of find a
poetic The day he died was the day after the

(01:16:36):
Red season ended. Don't know what you want to make
of that, but baseball you know, there you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
Go, Man, rip Pete Rose.

Speaker 31 (01:16:47):
If you haven't watched the HBO doc on him, I'd
give it a shot. It does a great job explaining
his complicated legacy. But why he's still so beloved. I
don't think anybody's ever gotten more out of their natural ability,
and I don't think anybody has ever loved baseball more
than Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Alright, p yeah, I think that's fair.

Speaker 32 (01:17:10):
Reds fans plate rise, remove your hats and join the
Reds in a moment of silence, honoring the loss and
memory of Peter Edward Rose.

Speaker 8 (01:17:27):
Thank you and now the honor America.

Speaker 32 (01:17:30):
Please join Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirties Austin Ellmore singing.

Speaker 9 (01:17:36):
Our national anthem.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Awesome, man, know you wanna talk about ruin in a
moment I didn't know?

Speaker 33 (01:17:41):
Idi Tone We top back Mike here in first team's
first rip to the greatest rid of all Time aka
Charlie Hustle aka the hit King aka Mama that's a
bad man. Rest in peace, mister Pete Rose, and who
day as always Let's go gets his win on Sunday,
and I want them to win so bad, just so

(01:18:04):
I could hear Chris Canty be saldy. You have to
retrack all the things he said about the Bengals. You
know he's a raven's head. So I hold to get
the done Canty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Saltiness is always a good thing.

Speaker 21 (01:18:14):
Simce Township.

Speaker 8 (01:18:16):
Rested Peace.

Speaker 22 (01:18:17):
Pete Rose, number fifty one of my list of all
time hitters. He's not a top fifty hitter. He doesn't
have enough home runs, he doesn't have enough doubles. This
guy played for forty years. Of course, of course he's
said it.

Speaker 21 (01:18:33):
Rested peace. Pete likes s.

Speaker 23 (01:18:37):
Reguarding Pete as so many of us of a certain age,
just all the memories from growing up as a little
girl going to games with my dad. Pete was my
favorite player, and I knew so many of his stats.

Speaker 21 (01:18:49):
People thought I was a weird girl.

Speaker 23 (01:18:51):
And later I became an adult and I worked with
Pete for a brief stint at y radio selling advertising
for his short lived sports baseball talk show. Nicest guy
was always kind Rippe.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
How about that? I didn't know that.

Speaker 29 (01:19:10):
Yes, Can you guys tell me how the Bengals have
gone against Derrick Henry since Lou's been here.

Speaker 18 (01:19:18):
Uh, just for some reason, I'm feeling like we've shut.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Him down before this, Okay, I mean.

Speaker 33 (01:19:23):
I can't say the same thing about Lemore, but I'm
pretty sure we've shot Henry down, so I think Lou
knows what to do with him.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
I'm just wondering if you can give me how we've
been spyers.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I mean, I know they've had some success against the
Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
So in his career, he has sixty eight carries for
three and twenty four yards and two touchdowns in four
games against the Bengals. Okay, the last game he played
for the Titans was actually one year ago today. He
had one hundred and twenty two yards on twenty two carries.

(01:20:00):
Before that, he had thirty eight yards on seventeen carries.
November one, twenty twenty at one hundred and twelve yards
on eighteen carries the Bengals whooped their ass that day,
and fifty two yards on eleven carries in twenty seventeen. Oh,
this I don't believe has the playoff game on there. Yeah,

(01:20:20):
the playoff game is not listed here. But he did
not have a great game in the playoff game either.
So historically you are correct. A little bit different with Lamar,
a little bit different with the Lamar element.

Speaker 34 (01:20:33):
This is Steve down in Parkland, Florida, quick Pete Rose story.
We were eating at his restaurant, The Over in Tri
County back probably nineteen eighty one, early dinner.

Speaker 9 (01:20:46):
I remember we were the only ones in there and in.

Speaker 34 (01:20:49):
Walks Pete and he was at the front desk and
he saw us, and he waved and walked over. He
proceeded to pull up a chair and sit and talk
to me and my family for I was probably nine
years old, and talk to us for five minutes, still
their food game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah, I think a ton of people would share similar
stories like that about Pete.

Speaker 35 (01:21:07):
Hey, guys, talk back matters. Guy just wanted to chime
in on the whole Pete Rose thing. I'm a west Sider,
was born a Westsider, and I will tell you that
I hope, I hope that Baseball don't put him in
because his family will make more money without being in
the Hall of Fame than they would with him being
in the Hall of Fame. The other thing is is Baseball,
major League Baseball, and everybody should be ashamed of themselves

(01:21:28):
because they can praade him out there every time they
needed something. He sold tickets for him, but didn't put
him in the Hall.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
Not necessarily true because for years they didn't allow him
inside a stadium. It wasn't it changed that much later
on his life that they allowed him back in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Why Why would the family make more money without him
in the Hall of Fame? I guess I don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Yeah, I don't. I don't really know. It didn't quite
make sense to me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
And also, you know, the Hall of Fame is independent
of Major League Baseball this entire time. They could, and
they can right now make the decision to put him
on the ballot, and there's nothing Major League Baseball can
do about it. Right they are completely separate entities, but
they have chosen to follow Major League Baseball's lead. So

(01:22:16):
as much of the beef can be with the people
in Cooperstown as as you would on anybody else in
Major League Baseball.

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
What's going on?

Speaker 36 (01:22:27):
So sad to see Pete Rose go. You know, just
a legend should be in the Hall of Fame. Really
fifty six, ain't nobody ever going to do it? But
I am stoked to go get my Bogo Penn Station today.
Baby Yeah, Philly Chief Steak, banana peppers and pizza sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Let's go, baby, Let's go Bogo.

Speaker 12 (01:22:54):
Hit King rest in peace, Cincinnati in the West Side.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
I always love you. You go simple enough? Yep?

Speaker 37 (01:23:03):
What's up, Tony Austin Jacob here. I think Bengals Ravens
game is gonna be a lot closer than what people think.
It's a division game with everything else to sign, Bengals
are gonna play them tough man.

Speaker 8 (01:23:15):
We really need Hendrickson to.

Speaker 37 (01:23:16):
Come back, and boy do we need Cam Taylor Britt
to play better.

Speaker 8 (01:23:20):
That boy got roasted out there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
It wasn't good.

Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
Let's go, baby, Let's go get that dumb first division win.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Who the baby let was not good for CTV.

Speaker 38 (01:23:30):
Ping Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Take
your story, and Tony, you're confusing the Bengals with.

Speaker 27 (01:23:35):
A with what a good franchise would do. But they're
not going to go and get a sound reddick because
they can't pay the guys that they got, or maybe
I should say they don't want to pay.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
The guys that they got.

Speaker 27 (01:23:50):
So while yeah, that would be awesome if they could
figure out a way to pay the all three, which
a good franchise would.

Speaker 38 (01:23:56):
Do, we know the Bengals will not do that because
they're not a good friend.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
M Thank you appreciate to talk about.

Speaker 39 (01:24:04):
Wow, we're so busy putting Pete Rose on the Hall
of Fame or Mount Rushmore of life. Let's not forget
that he admitted to getting busy with a fourteen year
old girl, and he claimed he didn't know she was
that young, but he did admit it.

Speaker 8 (01:24:20):
He's a sicko and a cheat.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Okay, let it go.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Very much a part of the complicated, uh and deeply
complex remembrance of Pete.

Speaker 17 (01:24:33):
Hey, guys, Drew Mason, true Hell recipes and Pete.

Speaker 40 (01:24:37):
I really liked what Scott said this morning, had a
lot of stuff that I agreed.

Speaker 8 (01:24:41):
With on that.

Speaker 32 (01:24:43):
I'm resigned to the Ravens coming into town, but you know,
we'll see how that game goes.

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
It's cool to see Jared goslinggging his lines kicking ass.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
And slinging it.

Speaker 9 (01:24:54):
Dude.

Speaker 8 (01:24:54):
I saw Sergel Simpson down at ruck this weekend.

Speaker 28 (01:24:57):
H totally recommend one of the best concerts I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Thank you, Drell Stargel.

Speaker 8 (01:25:03):
Hey guys, Marcos from the Grove.

Speaker 41 (01:25:05):
Marcus rest in peace to in my opinion, the greatest
Red to have ever played for Cincinnati. I think it's
pretty fitting that Pete Rose passed away a day after
the Red season came to an end. Appropriate it feels
good to possibly know that he got to watch one

(01:25:25):
last full season.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
The rest and peace to the hit King. Probably not
a season he'd like to remember.

Speaker 38 (01:25:33):
And Joe Daniman brought up, well, maybe the Bengals defense
isn't so bad because they played They played good.

Speaker 8 (01:25:39):
In Kansas City.

Speaker 38 (01:25:40):
Knowing that Kansas City game was more about the Chiefs
offense not being great right now than it was the
Bengals defense. That was Mahomes's lowest passing yards of his career.
If you look at his last ten games, he's got
like twelve touchdowns and ten picks or something like that.
It was more about them than it was the Bengals.
Make no mistake, this defense is trash.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
All right, Joe, let Joe know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Joe also said that he's in the Joe also said
that he doesn't believe the Bengals defense is good enough
to help them go on a run like that. So
you know, both things can be true. Anytime you pick
off Patrick Mahomes a couple of times, had another one
taken away by a penalty, and you you get the
game down to a fourth and sixteen against them. That team,
by the way, is four and oh and he's won

(01:26:25):
back to back Super Bowls. That still is a noteworthy
part of this Bengals defensive story, and they did play
better when they were healthy, which they aren't right now.

Speaker 9 (01:26:37):
Hey, guys, I.

Speaker 42 (01:26:38):
Probably can't answer this question, but with this defensive line
being leaked like it is, why aren't they running more
twists and gadget kind of stuff up front? They are,
you know, big boy coming across the face and the
garden the center can kind of cause a little having
mayor once when.

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
I'll see like a slant into the.

Speaker 42 (01:26:53):
Gaps there, But I'm not really seeing a lot of
movement trying to cause any computer will of their team.
You see twist and unmoss, like an offensive lineman pulling
into the.

Speaker 21 (01:27:03):
Gap just getting here thoughts there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I think at this point, quite honestly, I feel like
they're trying everything.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
They did a lot more of it this week against Carolina.
A big part of those twists and stunts is the
chemistry you have with the guys on the outside the
guys on the inside, and they don't have a lot
of speed up there either, and so when when that's
the case, sometimes those stunts can be just as detrimental because.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Yeah, you miss the gap. Yeah you miss that gap
that takes you forever to get there. So, yeah, we're
shures coming good for him. Brother brother fourteen years old.

Speaker 43 (01:27:34):
Back in nineteen secty four, I've hit tacking on Eastern
Avenue after we got rained out but playing little league baseball,
and Pete Rose picked me up and took me home,
and uh, he said we were going to Coney Island,
but I know now where he was going to. At
the time, he was a great guy man, talking to me,
really nice, gold Bear Cats.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Thank you for the brother.

Speaker 21 (01:27:57):
Hello, Hello, can you hear me? He look, this is Evan.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Yeah, we got you.

Speaker 44 (01:28:10):
When they say, uh, Pete Rose is the hits king,
what what what does that mean?

Speaker 21 (01:28:21):
Exactly? It's confusing, is that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Thank you, Evan.

Speaker 45 (01:28:29):
You absolutely get battle. DJ Turner out there more Rose
outstanding baseball player. You know he had a serious gambling problem,
but I think it's okay to forgive people.

Speaker 40 (01:28:43):
I think he served his dues.

Speaker 9 (01:28:47):
I would have put him in blah blah blah, have
a great day.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Thank you, blah blah blah, Thank you.

Speaker 20 (01:28:55):
Hey.

Speaker 22 (01:28:57):
I just wanted to give a shout out and some
love to Joe, the man who called out old Kermey todayrugs.

Speaker 46 (01:29:06):
I'd cut out a small portion of an article in
the Inquirer a couple months ago. They had interviewed Pete Rose,
and I just wanted to share a little bit of it.
This is from Pete. This is America, and if you're
a clean cut guy, you usually get a second chance.
Everybody in baseball seems maybe I'm wrong, but if you
take drugs, you get a second chance. If you beat
your wife, you get a second chance. If you're an alcoholic,

(01:29:28):
you get a second chance. If you're a gambler, you
don't get a second chance.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
Is that about right?

Speaker 46 (01:29:34):
Get this guy in the hall already.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
That's tough.

Speaker 47 (01:29:37):
Rod represent the natty out here in sunny Hot Zona.
Your arrest in peace, Pete Rose. Growing up as an
eighties kid, remember remember in the commercials, you know, remember
the teams that he coacht he managed, just you know,
bring back memories. You know, watching his downfall the nineties
wasn't pleasant, but it is what it is now. Let bygones,
be bygones. MLB dropped the ball by not putting them

(01:30:00):
into the Hall of Fame. It's messed up. They're going
to do it now since he passed on.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Rest in peace, Thank you, Ronnie ron last one all right,
ten thousand so Brian in the IBA boy.

Speaker 21 (01:30:12):
Anyway, Rest in peace, Pete Rose.

Speaker 14 (01:30:17):
I never really followed this sport because you know, we
don't feel the team for the old stick and ball
spart here you see blue ash.

Speaker 21 (01:30:26):
But anyhow, memory eternal.

Speaker 14 (01:30:28):
On another note, Scottie Sader him time to take the
earl surgery practice back to Louisville.

Speaker 8 (01:30:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I gotta say I got one quick thing to add.
Austin at the Tony and Moe football show yesterday and
this gentleman comes up to Mona and he's from Florida,
and he said, I was the one that called to
put my vote in for Perry utes to be in
the Sincy three to sixty Ring of Honor, and I said, well,

(01:30:59):
you know worked he made it into the ring. And
he said that he's good friends with Perry Oots. He said,
every time they're together, they'll talk about Perry being in
the Cincy three to sixty Ring of Honor. Well, that's awesome.
Perry thinks it's a prestigious award. He's still racing. He's
like their third busiest jockey still, but one of his
greatest accomplishments since he three sixty Ring of Honor.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Can't help but think how many bets Pete Rose laid
down on Perry Perry Oots.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
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Welcome back centy three to sixty Real quick snap count
takeaways from Sunday's game. Here, Austin, how about this the
shakeup at running back finally happening. Chase Brown up to
forty percent of the snaps, Zack Moss the other sixty percent.
Chase Brown was extremely explosive two touchdowns on the game,
but I don't want that to take away what Zach
Moss was able to do as well. Zach Moss was

(01:33:18):
really impactful in that game. But I thought the snap
count both of them got the same amount of carries.
Zach Moss is more prioritized in the passing game right
now because of what he can do in protection, and
I'm good with that. But seeing both of them with
the same amount of carries I think is a good
step forward for the Cincinnati Bengals. Also, yeah, there's a
difference between snaps and touches, correct, and they split the
touches pretty well. Zach was great in the pass protection.

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We'll hear about this with we play the Zach Taylor audio.
They talk about twelve personnel. That means rookie tight end
Eric All led tight ends with sixty percent of the
snaps and quite frankly, with the way he's playing, I
wouldn't be surprised to see that number continue to go up.
Sam Hubbard, despite playing through injury, did take eighty percent
of the snap apps. DJ Turner took seventy three percent

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of the snaps, while Cam Taylor Britt took just fifty
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Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Here we go our three Sincy three sixty on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We have, rightfully so spent
a lot of time today on uh Pete Rose and
his legacy and thoughts on that. And we've welcomed to
those phone calls all day and talked backs. We appreciate them.
We talked about the memob postseason. We're going to dive
into some Cincinnati Bengals a little NFL here, and let's

(01:35:33):
start that conversation with a conversation that happened yesterday. Zach Taylor,
the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, spent part of
his afternoon speaking to members of the media here as
part of that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
Now we start with the injury update on Trey Hendricks
and Jay Hill and Sheldon Ray.

Speaker 48 (01:35:54):
I think, you know, I'll start with Trey. We'll just
see where the week takes us there. It's just, you know,
less than twenty four years after the so hard to say.
With bj and Sheldon again, we'll get into the week
and see how they feel Wednesday Thursday. I've kind of
said I think BJ's a little farther along than Sheldon is,
and so again we'll just kind of see where the
week takes us there.

Speaker 26 (01:36:14):
And then do you expect Miles Murphy and we can't
leave Jackson to be back in this speek and.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Now that they're eligible come back, Yeah, I think they're both.

Speaker 48 (01:36:22):
Again, we'll activate that window probably some point closer to
Wednesday and get them back on the field and see
where they're at.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
After looking at the tape. What impressed you the most
about the run game of the second.

Speaker 48 (01:36:35):
I think that the strain from everybody. You know, that's
that's a line, that's tight ends, that's receivers, that's backs
hitting it. You know exactly how we want it done,
so you know, it's it's those deals where all eleven
guys on offense make the run game go. And I
think that there's some really good examples of of everybody
buying in and paying attention to the details and playing

(01:36:56):
physical and so again there's just great evidence of everyone
buying into that and and uh, it's beneficent.

Speaker 12 (01:37:05):
Looking at what the Panther's passing and did against you guys,
when you look at it was the mostly kind of
one on one situations where guys were winning.

Speaker 48 (01:37:12):
Well, I mean twofold. I think there's some things fundamentally,
certainly we can be better at. It starts with effecting
the passer number one and number two being fundamentally sound,
and number three that there were some examples where Andy
made some great throws and we were tightened coverage and
receivers did a nice job you know with the route

(01:37:33):
stems and creating just a little bit enough separation and
he put in a good spot. So there are some
that were just good football plays and so a little
bit of everything, you know, And I think that those
are some some things we're excited to get back on
the field and continue to improve.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Looking at camp specifically, like you want a billion times, not.

Speaker 12 (01:37:52):
About confidence, of course, it's kind of the confidence and
giving that back the step of camera.

Speaker 48 (01:37:56):
Yeah, that game was not up to his standard, you know,
and I'm sure he'll talk more out it this week,
but you know, just just again, he's a guy that
we really lean on, uh to be kind of a
foundational piece over there, and that certainly wasn't his best game,
and expect more from him going on and that wasn't
up to his standard, and I'm excited to watch how
he responds to that.

Speaker 9 (01:38:16):
Given who you are up.

Speaker 36 (01:38:18):
Against next week, Derrick Henry and their run game, how
much better do you have to be setting the edge
and especially on the perimeter in the run beating.

Speaker 48 (01:38:25):
Yeah, it's it's a tremendous test for you because of
who they've got in the backfield with with the combination
of Hill and Henry, and you know, with with the
running with the quarterback brings to the table. You know,
with Lamar he can kill you with his arm and
he's equally dangerous to his legs. And so there's a
tremendous attack that they've got there with a card as

(01:38:46):
well at the fullback position. And and so again they
got a lot of weapons. They use them the right way,
it can really challenge you. And and uh, again, just
excited to watch our defense respond. You know, it's a
great test. And got a lot of confidence in him,
and so there's gonna be a lot of work we've
got to put in the week.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
From Chris Jenkins, do you feel like there was a
jump from his first second game?

Speaker 48 (01:39:06):
Yeah, I think we've gained more and more common. There's
a lot of unknowns with him coming off the surgery
and playing with the club, and the more evidence that
has shown up on the tape, the more it shows
we can believe in him. And it's not a matter
of believing in him because he showed that during training camp.
It's just a matter of how you're going to come
off the surgery. With the way he's got a user
right now, and I think we've seen enough through two

(01:39:28):
games to where he deserves a lot of opportunity.

Speaker 9 (01:39:30):
Yeah, you guys kind of limiting him just because of
that in a little bit more than you maybe would
have if he was, you know, didn't have the club.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
And honest absolutely absolutely now you can't do that. Yeah,
there's a lot of trust there.

Speaker 12 (01:39:43):
You guys have a long history would find.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
But it's kind of two part question do you feel
like you're getting.

Speaker 45 (01:39:48):
What you need from him?

Speaker 46 (01:39:49):
And then is there a way for joining battle.

Speaker 9 (01:39:51):
To get on the field.

Speaker 48 (01:39:52):
I think there is. I think there's all We're always
looking for guys to have opportunity that have earned it
with how they approach things and how they practice, and
and I think with Vaughan, you know what, what some
guys aren't going to get credit for is where they
are in position, so the plays don't come their way
because they've done a great job with I mean, I

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think that happens a lot with Mike Kilden, that happens
a lot with Von Bell, and so they're not going
to get credit for it because they take away the
play before the play can even get there, and they
do a great job with the alignment and no one communicated,
and so there's a lot of things like that that
I don't think they'll ever get enough credit for. But
there's also opportunity for a lot of your employers that
are talented and and continue to work hard. We'll always
try to find ways to get them on the field.

Speaker 20 (01:40:34):
Just four games in, I realized, but the trend with
twelve seems to be growing eight work.

Speaker 16 (01:40:43):
What what is it you think has betefited the most sing.

Speaker 48 (01:40:49):
More use well, I think again, strong belief in our
offensive line, strong belief in our running backs. Our tight
ends are playing really physical in the run game. But
it's not just that we feel like we can compliment
in the past game. So you're not just they're out
there and it's gonna be a run and there's no
threat to pass. I think that we've we've been able

(01:41:10):
through four weeks to find the happy medium both those
things and that can make it all go all right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
So there's part of Zach Taylor yesterday. The injury update
on Trey Hendrickson. I feel like it's good news because
I felt like it was worse. They kind of come
out and say he's going to miss some time or
or have it talk about IR. So best case scenario
right now on Trey Henkerson. We'll see how things go
and when practice gets underway this week, we'll see how
and if these players can come back from IR and
contribute right away. We'll also look at bj Hill and

(01:41:38):
Sheldon Rankins, all things that can help a defense that
is in desperate need of help.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
This feels like the biggest Wednesday of the season, oh easily.
Like I mean, we obviously don't know much about Trey,
and that seems to me. I've never had a stinger,
have you? Have you got a stinger when you were playing? Like,
I don't know what a stinger feels like, but I
feel like one up in the next can linger for
a few days. Yeah, So we'll see how he I

(01:42:03):
mean He's missed plenty of days of practice in the
past and been able to play on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
I mean he was emotional on this side. I think
he was just scared. Yeah, that's my guess. I mean
they talked about Okay, he avoided any nerve damage, which
is good. I'm just I'm assuming he probably lost some feeling.
And when you do that and it's up around your
neck area, I'm sure there's a lot of tense moments
with that, especially you know they see the team on
a knee around him. So hopefully that is best case

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scenario for Trey Hendrickson and the Cincinnati Benning.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
And I was thinking about this when Joe was on
the show about the offense and can the offense keep
up this particular pace and basically keep them in games
until the defense either gets healthy or figures it out,
or both or one of the other doesn't matter. And
I feel like the offense is more equipped now to

(01:42:52):
be able to do that than at any point because
of the different ways ways that they can now beat you.
They're running the football effectively, they have a tight end
that can be a threat both in the past game
and in the run game. They have elite wide receivers
on the outside. They have a really solid slot option.

(01:43:13):
They continue to move Jamar Chase around and oh, by
the way, they've got a top two maybe the best
quarterback in the NFL right now in Joe Burrow. So
like they are more well equipped to beat you in
multiple ways. If they want to spread you out, they can.
If they want to go twelve personnel, they can. If
they want to run the football right now they can.
They're protecting Joe Burrow, they can get him out of

(01:43:34):
some You know, there's so many parts of the offense
and we still haven't seen yet, very little RPOs. Those
are basically gone out of the offense right now. And
we've seen Jamar kind of moved around in these different spots.
We've seen some balls that are some plays that are
schemed up for Chase Brown. We've seen Andrey Yosi vash
on the outside. We've seen mikea Sicki a little bit

(01:43:56):
more on the outside.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
This week.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
This is the week where if you're Zach Taylor, you
kind of empty the playbook because you got to have
it right. Everything is on the table and all the
stuff you've been leading up to in the first four weeks,
the stuff, the formation you might show on film, or
the motion you might show on film, or the look
you might give. This is now when you branch off
of those things to give Baltimore things they haven't seen before,

(01:44:19):
because you know you're gonna be able, you're gonna have
to keep drives alive, You're gonna have to score a
lot of points.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
This week.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
I think is really really interesting as to what the
offense looks like in the sense of what we've seen
so far this year, how do you branch off from
that and give Baltimore the something they haven't seen, especially
now with them having a new defensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
I think it's gonna be a fascinating back and forth
of a chess match that you want to see on
Sunday with the Bengals offense. But here are a couple
numbers that I wrote down that I liked. Joe Burrow
dropped backed and he threw thirty one passes and as
a team that ran the ball thirty one times. Now,
every game is not going to be a fifty to
fifty split. But if you're telling me that they can

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run it thirty one times, an average four and a
half of carry, I'll take it. You know, I don't
need them to be fifty to fifty, but the threat
of running is just gonna help Joe Burrow even more.
And what I liked about those thirty one attempts Austin
is that more than one, well sixteen of those thirty
one halfs, so a little over half sixteen of those attempts.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Want to hate Chase and Higgins.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Now, I know that they're divvied up differently, but if
you're gonna tell me that half of Joe Burrow's attempts
will go to Jamar Chason T. Higgins, I'm good with
that number. I'm also good with them splitting in the
run game because of the run game being so successful
at this point. So I like the balance on offense.
I like to run pass option. I like the targets.

(01:45:46):
Now can they play an offense that also can dictate
help to the defense?

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
Right right? Can you know?

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Can you continue to run your offense and get into
second and five, third and three, Because the more you
do that, the more you can pick up first downs,
and the more you pick up first downs, the more
let's call it what it is, you get to keep
that defense on the sideline.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
And you know the thing is some of the advanced
statistics with their efficiency on offense, I think they're the
second or third best in the NFL at doing that
at sustaining drives, at picking up first downs, at converting
on first and second.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Well, that's why RICO can't qualify for any correct list
because you're only kind of nine times.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
So it does kind of say a lot that they
are among the best.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
And they're still one and three. That's the maddening part.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Do you think we'll see remember a couple of years
ago where there was like this philosophical shift that's like, Okay,
we win the toss, we want the ball, we're gonna
go score.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
I feel like that's gonna have to come back as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Yeah, they eventually start to playing from ahead more often
than not. Or do you do you think the because
I'm not sending that defense out there first. Yeah, I
don't want to do that either. But can you imagine
how demoralize you know, let's say Sunday you win the toss,
you play defense in Baltimore eight plays touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Or what if it's they did Sunday night eighty seven
yard er? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
But how like for a home crowd. Yeah, I mean
the home fans in Cincinnati have gone to two games
this year, both where the team has been a touchdown
or more favorite, and have seen two losses and bad performances. Yeah,
so you're gearing up, You're ready to go. It's one
o'clock on Sunday. Baltimore gets the ball and eight plays
later at seven to nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
On the flip.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
That would be demoralizing on the flip side of the
coin flip situation where you take the ball to start
the game. I feel like on the other side of that,
because your defense has struggled, you would want that extra
possession if you can get it before the half.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
So I think there's two sides to that, as there
is with most things. But I kind of like the
idea of the aggressiveness put the other team on their heels,
force them to keep up with you instead of you
trying to have to keep up with them.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
I have a Jordan Battle question and maybe an answer
that we got from Luien Romo yesterday will do that,
and a phone call or too, five fifteen thirty when
we get back on the Tuesday edition. Thanks to our
friends at Penn station. Since he three sixty on the
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Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Is back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 49 (01:48:18):
Who yeah, such as we leave Santi as we have,
but I guess you know, baby.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Welcome back since he three sixty Things ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station. A service at Penn Station. Some Luanna,
Romo and Jordan battle conversation here in a couple of minutes.
Before that, We've got a couple of minutes here to
add a couple more phone calls. Let's start with Mike.
What's up, Mike?

Speaker 17 (01:48:47):
Hey boy, doing good?

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Good?

Speaker 17 (01:48:51):
All good? Uh yeah, I'm doing the show today. Really nice.

Speaker 9 (01:48:55):
I like it.

Speaker 17 (01:48:56):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:48:57):
Oh.

Speaker 17 (01:48:58):
I got a good question on the Bank game. Will
Geno Stone provide some insight regarding their defensive sets and
what have you in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Yeah, But with Gino leaving and Mike McDonald leaving the
defensive coordinator, I doubt that much is the same. So
I when when personnel changes, let alone a new system
and a new scheme, I just don't think there's as
much overhang and overlay as maybe there would be if
there was any remblants of that that coordinator remaining on
the staff.

Speaker 40 (01:49:28):
Okay, thanks Ton, And then I think the thing I
fear about with uh I kind of heard the guys
say this about Alabama's college team and their assessment against George.

Speaker 17 (01:49:39):
The problem with the Ravens is essentially right, you got
a two headed monster running the ball. You got two
running backs in the backfield at all times, and that's
got to present a hell of a lot of problems
to this poorer stefense.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Yeah, it's just you wanna it's it's a catch twenty
two because you want to at one point load the box,
but then you're worried about different angles and putting your
secondary in a one on one situation. And then if
you gear up on Derreck Henry and then Lamar Jackson
pools and then he's running one on one in space.
It's just it's an offense that in the last two weeks,

(01:50:13):
with their backs against the wall, feels like they found
what their core is and that's running the ball. And
they've done it as well as anyone in the NFL
can do.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Right now.

Speaker 17 (01:50:21):
Yep, whatever worries, big talk and my last question or
staying on. I'm so excited. Now in a few minutes,
Tigers stroke five minutes. I can't wait, brother, it's four
good games today. Go Tigers, man, I got a pool
from my Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
What the hell Tigers? We said up just a few
minutes ago. Tigers do not have one player in the
starting lineup today or on their postseason roster that was
acquired in free agency.

Speaker 17 (01:50:45):
All home grown, and nobody knows any of them except
maybe the potential say young one. Thanks guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
Have a good one. Uh Dave, what's up?

Speaker 21 (01:50:58):
Man?

Speaker 9 (01:51:00):
Gott be Tuesday?

Speaker 43 (01:51:01):
Boys?

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
You too?

Speaker 18 (01:51:03):
Bad day in Cincinnati, Pete Rose, I just wanted to
share when I met him. I'm in I do in
home service a lot, and I get to meet a
lot of athletes, and so I go. I got to
call at Pete Junior's house. Pete Senior answers the door.
You want to talk about stumbling over your words. I mean,
he was one of my favorite ballplayers growing up. I mean,

(01:51:26):
but you know these athletes, you know, you meet him
out in public, and they're a little bit different when
you're in their homes. They are just absolutely completely normal
people that talk about normal things and they're a lot
more relaxed. So I got a good fifteen to twenty
minutes talking to Pete. Highlight of my life. He was
my favorite ball player growing up. I actually got to

(01:51:46):
meet three of my all time favorites, him, Paul O'Neil,
and Griffy Junior, all in their own homes.

Speaker 9 (01:51:52):
And it's just sad.

Speaker 18 (01:51:54):
You know, Pete, he deserves to be in the Hall
of Fame, without a doubt. I'm hoping that Baseball says
a lifetime they need lifetime banned and they put him
in now. Kind of sucks he's not around for it,
but he damn sure deserves to be in there. I
think that this year at the Hall of Fame inductions,
I think that they should pack the place with fourteen
jerseys and let them know that the public wants Pete

(01:52:16):
Rose in.

Speaker 8 (01:52:17):
You know, so.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
That I'm for sharing, Dick, what's up.

Speaker 50 (01:52:26):
Oh, Austin and Tony? I with listening last night. I
what Jerry just said. But my condolences and my little
story is, as you probably know, Pete Rose and I
sell a birthday together at Loretto Lynn and over the years,
you guys are the only one I think that ever

(01:52:50):
said that Dick from Dayton and Pete Rose has a birthday.
But I just want to say something was the best
player that the Reds ever had. And I remember I
watched when he had that Doesn't one and ninety hit.
But I'm saying Austin and from my heart Tony, I
think he should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

(01:53:13):
He was a leader, and I just, you know, it's
just just a sad day because he was part of
the big Red machine. And you know, it's kind of funny.

Speaker 33 (01:53:23):
My friend.

Speaker 50 (01:53:25):
Dayton my birthday about a year ago, he gave me
a fourteen jersey by Pete Rose. It had he had
great a Dick from Dayton. How about that man?

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Very cool, very cool.

Speaker 50 (01:53:38):
But I just think that you know, we got you know,
I don't know why Austin or Tony that he never
got in the Hall of Fame, but I think it's
time and he'll be in my heart and I think
he was one of the better Reds players.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent, Dick, thank you for the call.
We appreciate that as always, thank you for listening. Very
good sentiments and things actually there on Pete Rose, I
want to recap these Monday night football games in just
a few minutes. Often before we get to that. This
quote from yesterday, you know, on coming out of the
game where the Bengals were very quick to pull the

(01:54:18):
plug on Cam Taylor britt in turn of DJ Turner,
Louena Arumo was asked yesterday of what's going on with
Jordan Battle, and louienn Arumo's quote was when he came
in just started off a little bit slow in training
camp for whatever reason. He's progressed as we've gotten along,
so if he continues that upward trend, then we'll work

(01:54:38):
him in there. What did you make of that quote
from lou an Arumo, Because I looked at that and
I'm like, okay, and I always go by the whole
concept of I, you know, I see better than I hear.
At training camp, DJ Turner took days where he was
number one. It was a true position battle for Jordan Battle.
Whatever he did Austin, he was never with the ones.

(01:55:00):
From the start of training camp on we talked about
there's a battle at safety between von Belle and Jordan Battle.
He was never given the reps with the number ones.
So I don't know what it was about him coming
in that was off, but he wasn't given the opportunity
on the field at any of the training camp practices
I went to. Did you make anything of Ana Rumo's comments?

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
Yeah, I was confused by it. It didn't seem to
make a lot of sense to me. And you know,
I think the last time most people were confused about
something like this sort of a decision from the coaching
staff was with Jermaine Burton. And then come to find
out Jermaine Burton is not being a professional on and
off the field. We hadn't heard any of that, have
not heard any of that about Jordan Battle until now,

(01:55:41):
and so clearly there's some sort of disconnect between you know,
what he was last year, which I thought was a
good player who took the job of Nick Scott. Now
that's a very low bar because Nick Scott was one
of the worst players in Bengals history. But you know,
you talk about how good he was from a PFF standpoint. Overall,
was a breakpot that you thought, Okay, this is a

(01:56:01):
guy that the Bengals can build around moving forward, and
you know, having Geno Stone and Von Bell is only
going to help him. Well, it seems to have stunted
his growth and I'm not sure exactly what that is
that he was so promising last year. Yeah, that he
has to fix moving forward, and you know, quite frankly,
I'm a little disappointed and louisna Rumo's inability to find
places for him to play, like you know, the mad

(01:56:24):
scientist Louis Arrumo and on this defense unless off the field,
it is just a disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
Which we've not heard any of that, right I would.
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Because we did hear some of that around Jermaine Burton, right,
we haven't heard that about Jordan Battle. And he was
very productive as a rookie last year. He graded out
very well, especially against the run. And this team is
getting gassed against the run. So again quick trigger on
Cam Taylor Britt on Sunday. Will that be the case
now with Jordan Battle and you know, and more of
that conversation coming along, And you also think that Gino

(01:56:55):
Stone's going to want to prove something.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
On Sunday as well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:57):
That'd be nice if he did something. I think Charlie
wrote a story in training camp about the relationship of
Jordan Battle to Von Bell and all the things he's
learned and all the growth that he's had and how
it's been beneficial to him in camp, and so that also,
you know, Charlie doesn't just make that stuff up, right,

(01:57:18):
So that also doesn't add up to the lack of
reps that he got over the course of training camp
with the ones, and he's getting right now. I think
one defensive snap on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Let's take a break, let's come back one more segment
before we'll bring in Moeger, who's at beat ups col
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Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
High Price ISLA, what's going on in the NFL?

Speaker 10 (01:57:44):
Getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
Since he three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,
we have not had a chance to at least.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
Go over this quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
Last night, austin the conclusion of Week four in the
National Football League, is there even anything to say about
the Titans and Dolphins from last night? I mean, what
a terrible, terrible Monday night game. And I am so
thankful that the football powers that be got together and say,
you know, there are some weeks maybe we should just
do two Monday night games just in case one of
them ends up being bad. Speaking of bad, there is

(01:58:25):
a window right now that if they want to flex
out that Sunday night football game against the Giants both
teams one and three. That's coming up as well.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
But listen, as somebody who just moved and has a
much more expensive rent deer NFL, please do not cancel
that or flex out there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
Angle rent is due. Dolphins are awful without a tongue
of ailoa. That's hard to watch. Titans aren't very good either,
but they do get their first win of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
Twelves. Yeah, I thought they would be a lot better.

Speaker 5 (01:58:55):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
I think most of my opinion was predicated on Will Levis. Yeah,
kind of stinks. Tyler Boyd did two catches last night.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
I think there's like his first two catches of the
year tied with the team lead last night with the Hopkins.
Tyler Boyd keeps posting Bengals highlights on this series. He
misses it here not a lot of highlights going on
in Nashville. Number one, Number two feels like he misses
the boys.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Yeah, Titans win NOLA the second game last night and
ject that into my veins. I was, you know, the
Lions unreal, and I thought, even through a loss, I
saw a little bit in the Seattle Seahawks as well.
Gino Smith looked great three ninety five through the air.
Kenneth Walker's a beast man. He's such a good running back.

(01:59:39):
They still got dk Lockett, Jackson Smith and Jigba. I
like Seattle, but last night, more about the Detroit Lions.
Jared Goff, how about this Austin eighteen of eighteen two
ninety two and two touchdowns, also caught a tutter unbelievable.
Dan Campbell was asked after the game about Jared Goff's
performance and he said, man, I didn't know he was

(01:59:59):
eighteen for eighteen. I just gave the game ball away
to someone else.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
How stupid? Is the quarterback rating correct? That he didn't
get a perfect rate?

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Yeah, he was perfect and he caught a touchdown pass
from Amanron Saint Brown. Jamiir Gibbs was great. David Montgomery's
great touchdown from Amonroe Saint Brown, Jamison Williams, Stud, Sam
Laporta back healthy, stud Saint Brown, Stud Montgomery Gibbs. That

(02:00:30):
is the Lions team last night I expected to see
for much of the season. I love the fact defensively,
and I know at Burnham last night they don't care
what the score is, they don't care who you are.
They're gonna man you up outside. They're going to play
an aggressive style of ball, and from a scoring standpoint,
I thought it was phenomenal to watch last night.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
First, also a moment of thankfulness to the Detroit Lions
for that all black uniform. Oh that was crispy, fantastic.
But yeah, man, just a ton of fun. And I
think what's in sting with Lions if they go into
the bye week. This is the first week in the
NFL now coming up this Sunday where there are bye weeks,
Eagles on a b and the Eagles, who have a
lot to figure out, are on a bye and the Lions,

(02:01:11):
who you know, I think many expect to be in
the conversation, uh, in the NFC moving forward. That's a
very early buye for a team like that, especially the
style of football that they play. I wonder how that
will affect them moving forward.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Titans and the Chargers on a bye week as well,
and they are through the top of the first in
the first American League Wild Card game.

Speaker 20 (02:01:32):
Here.

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
Astrog's got a perfect game, going no hits, no runs
through one for the Detroit Tigers. We knew when Detroit
came in and swept the Reds that that's a team
of destiny. Well, somebody got on base, rolled up a
double pull no hitter then, yeah, well maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
I was walking. I was paying attention. Good. Good, that's
what we should be doing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
We'll pay attention when we get back to Mogger posted
up at a beat up and col Rain right here
for the MOAIGA show coming up next, quick hits. We'll
finish us up. On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, It's.

Speaker 11 (02:02:06):
Burrow versus Jackson.

Speaker 30 (02:02:08):
Two.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
Burrow spikes the ball at the back.

Speaker 11 (02:02:10):
Of the aside here for an AFC North wolfcent Tamahak
chops up to the ground Mark Jackson and it's two
and two Raven line up against Joe Burrow and the one.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
And three Banks show Burrow where its third touchdown pass.

Speaker 21 (02:02:24):
Well.

Speaker 11 (02:02:25):
Zach Taylor's men pound the cavern nails. The call live
from Dan Hord and Dave Lapper. The coverage starts Sunday
morning at night on ESPN fifteen thirty, The official home
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From the Tommys On ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
All right, it's Tuesday, it's quick hits.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
It's a since he three to sixty, which means we
are getting ready to talk to Mowager, who is not
here today. Mo's at another b dubs this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (02:02:57):
Mo, where are you at?

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
What do you got coming up? How's that beat ups?
How's the beat ups compared to last week?

Speaker 8 (02:03:07):
Well?

Speaker 5 (02:03:08):
Not bad.

Speaker 12 (02:03:08):
This place is pretty cool, pretty inviting. They just put
the baseball game on for me here. We've got a
full day of baseball these next two maybe three days,
four games per day, which I absolutely love, and so
it's a great place to watch some daytime playoff baseball.
Hopefully the last two regular season games are sort of
a precursor of what we get in the baseball postseason.

(02:03:29):
We've got buy one, get one, half off traditional wings.
We've got bud Light specials. We've got giveaways, including tickets
to Sunday's immense major Massive Battle Bengals Ravens at the
venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium. You could win
tickets to that game, but don't do what this guy
last week did. Don't show up at six oh two. Okay,

(02:03:52):
and then what hey can I win? No, that guy
over there, buy him from him. We're gonna give him
away right at six o'clock. But you got to get here.
You got to be here, hang out with us, and
you might go to the game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
I know you will spend time on your show today
talking about Pete Rose. What else do you have coming
up from three to six.

Speaker 12 (02:04:10):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about Pete. Rick Walls from the
Red's Hall of Famer Museum is gonna join us at
four twenty. I have thoughts I'll share. I've enjoyed listening,
whether it's your show or some of the shows on
seven hundred wl W Gary Jeff Walker last night, he
was just taking phone call after phone call from people

(02:04:30):
with Pete Rose stories. I've got one, I've got maybe two.
I don't know that I could share the one, but
I've got two. But I think it's a sad day
for the city. I do, and we'll spend us some
time on that. Paul Danner Jin is going to be
here for the first hour to talk about a lot
of different things as they relate to the Bengals. You
guys were talking about, you know, what lou and Arumo

(02:04:51):
did with Cam Taylor Britt, what he may or may
not do with Jordan Battle.

Speaker 5 (02:04:55):
Paul has written about that, so we're going to talk
about it.

Speaker 12 (02:04:57):
Our buddy Sean Sayed from Summer Sports, who make It's
All Smarter, is going to join us at five twenty
on the Bengals and so much more.

Speaker 5 (02:05:03):
It's going to be a fun show today.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
Guys mo the conversation and we kind of alluded to
this yesterday and Austin and I were kind of on
different ends based on financial capabilities. Do you think it
would be a stretch or I know it's not what
the Bengals do if you're all in for the season,
or are you trying to call the Jets to talk
to Hasan Reddick.

Speaker 5 (02:05:23):
Talk about them?

Speaker 12 (02:05:24):
Yeah, of course, now what they would have to do financially,
as you guys have discussed it, I don't know how
to make that money work. I don't know if it's
hard or easy. It's not something I have looked into
in great detail. The pass rush stinks. Here's a pass
rusher who is not playing and looks like he's not
going to play for the team that currently is supposed

(02:05:45):
to be employing him. So if the answer is no,
what's the alternative? Maybe you still have to find the
alternative because the Jets won't do it or the asking
price is too high. But you can't sit there and go,
we God, this area of our team stinks. Man, that's unfortunate.
We just hope all these guys play better. That's not
the job of a of a Duke Tobin. So if

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you want to shoot down that idea, tell me what
else you got. One thing I am going to talk
about with Paul is the trade deadline is on election Day. Oh,
which means I'm gonna have to be on Twitter on
election day, which is not date.

Speaker 5 (02:06:25):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (02:06:27):
The deadlines at four though, right, so you can be
done by four second.

Speaker 12 (02:06:31):
I'm turning off Twitter, right, yeah, about four thirty on
election Day and I'm not going back on until maybe
the Bengals game that Thursday. But the trade deadline it
if if the Bengals aren't out of it and they're
in it, chances are They're still going to have a
fatal flaw that you have to address.

Speaker 5 (02:06:50):
Can they? Will they on deadline day?

Speaker 12 (02:06:53):
Well, the Bengals be winners on election Day, much like
one of the two candidates running for president of the
United States only come to beat ups and watch the
Big Beet debate tonight.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
Oh, that's all excited for that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:04):
I would have missed that one player.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
I would ask Tim Wall, since he's a former defensive coordinator,
what he would do to fix the Bengals defense.

Speaker 5 (02:07:13):
It's good question.

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
It's a good way to lead into it.

Speaker 5 (02:07:15):
More interested in that answer than anything else you'd ask
those guys.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
When when the Bengals season ended last year, the first
show we got together, we talked about the biggest needs.
Now this list is substantially bigger for the Cincinnati Reds,
and outside of naming a manager to lead the team,
from a team standpoint of personnel standpoint, what is the
biggest glaring need for the Reds.

Speaker 12 (02:07:33):
Somebody who can be counted on to hit the ball
over the wall. Yeah right, I mean it's not just one.
I would love a veteran pitcher who's been through a
full big league season. I'd like some players who are
better defensively. But I'd like to then I make this

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sound like you can just go get it. I'd like
a guy who can hit the ball over the wall
thirty to thirty five times.

Speaker 5 (02:08:00):
I think they need a thumper.

Speaker 12 (02:08:01):
Now, do they have a player in Cees who has
that capability? Sure, i'd like someone proven. I don't know
how you go get that guy, but i'd like someone
that They need some pop. Yeah, right, they need some pop.
Because here's the thing, it's really hard to make a
mistake on the basis in a home run trot.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
That's true, that's true. And just the taste that you
and I were able to have watching a meaningful game.
It just it again, I said it today. It just
it drives in the fact that I know we talked
about a baseball town or not, but as baseball fans,
you just you want to have that feeling that those
fans for Atlanta in New York were able to go

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through yesterday.

Speaker 5 (02:08:42):
There's nothing like October baseball.

Speaker 12 (02:08:44):
And that doesn't mean that you know, the NFL playoffs
aren't awesome or March Madness isn't awesome, But like there
there are moments of jealousy. The two moments of jealousy
that I experienced the most around Selection Sunday, when you
know your team's name is not going to be called,
Like as a Bearcat fan, we had that fourteenth straight
year than nine straight years. I get so jealous of
fans of other teams on Selection Sunday when my team's

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not in it. And I get so jealous in October
watching these cities that get a chance to enjoy postseason
baseball games of consequence and the intensity that comes with it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
And I want it here one day.

Speaker 12 (02:09:19):
And not only do I want it here one day,
I want to be one of those cities where, like
we kind of count on it happening every year. Like
I was listening to Brian Snicker, the manager of the Braves,
this is their seventh consecutive postseason appearance. Now, yeah, Atlanta
has some, you know, good financial advantages, but they've also
got a team that made the playoffs despite not having
Spencer Strider and Ronald Ocunya for a chunk of the season.

(02:09:41):
I want to go into the season where October is
the expectation bare minimum. Our team is playing in October
might not win, it might not be the last team standing.

Speaker 5 (02:09:50):
The expect not the hope.

Speaker 12 (02:09:51):
The expectation is our team plays in October every single year.

Speaker 2 (02:09:56):
That's what I want and just the way before I'm dead.
The waste teams go about it some doing free agency.
The Detroit Tigers don't have a free agent on their team.
They've all acquired it through building. So there's different ways
to get there. You just got to find a way
to get there. Let's find a way to make some money.

Speaker 7 (02:10:10):
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Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
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Speaker 12 (02:10:17):
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Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
Now let's make you some money.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
Well, it's hard for me to go against Corbyn Burns,
especially in the playoffs. And I know it's the Kansas
City Royals. I know they've had an unbelievable turnaround. Bobby
Witt Junior, if not for Aaron Judges the MVP, much
like Lindor's the MVP, if not for Shoeotani. But I
like Corbyn Burns at home for the Baltimore Orioles, I'll
take them at four o'clock.

Speaker 5 (02:10:45):
For today, Baltimore Orioles.

Speaker 12 (02:10:47):
Exact series result the price plus two to ten give
me Baltimore to sweep Kansas City. I'll go Milwaukee Wildcard
Series price minus one thirty.

Speaker 5 (02:10:55):
I'll go Mets, Brewers under.

Speaker 12 (02:10:57):
Seven and a half runs, and then we're gonna make
a couple of plays on the San Diego Padres. Best
bullpen in the sport since the deadline, deepest team in
the sport, great bench, they can run out, Seize King
and musk Grove.

Speaker 5 (02:11:09):
I've got them going to the World Series.

Speaker 12 (02:11:11):
I'll buy exact World Series matchup Padres Ascros plus twenty
nine hundred Padres Guardians plus thirty one hundred Padres Yankees
plus seventeen to twenty. I love those value plays. I'm
on the San Diego bandwagon.

Speaker 5 (02:11:24):
Love it.

Speaker 8 (02:11:25):
MO.

Speaker 3 (02:11:25):
Have a great show man, thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:11:28):
Great will be something we probably can't achieve, but.

Speaker 3 (02:11:30):
We'll do have a good show. Thank you, Mo.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
That's Mogar making with the Astros. And they're already down
run in the second inning, which you know against well,
against a guy like scooball Mane that that might be
a lot yep, So this game might be over. It
might be over well, it's two nothing now, so it
really might be over. Tigers all over.

Speaker 4 (02:11:55):
Is getting beaten like a grand fraudulent right now in Houston.
Fraud all in on the Tigers. There's a lot of
Tigers fans in Houston too. Thanks to UH, thanks to
our callers and our listeners and our camp backers.

Speaker 3 (02:12:07):
Today.

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
Thank you for our guest Joe Daniman and Moeger, and
our sponsors and everyone else that helps make this show possible.
We'll do it again tomorrow. Until that best tomorrow, We'll
have a great show tomorrow. Until then, have a great
rest of your Tuesday. The Mullegar Show Next from beat
Ups in Coleraine on the SBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 1 (02:12:26):
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Speaker 3 (02:13:19):
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