August 14, 2024 • 10 mins
Tony and Austin talk about the comments made by Reds legend Barry Larkin, on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Since he three to sixty at the Cincinnati Open. I
had to lender Family Tennis facility in Mason, Ohio. Thank
you to the fine folks at Western and Southern for
having us out today. This has been awesome and we
have a couple more segments to go, and we'll not
only pass the baton here today to Moegar for click
(00:40):
hits and locks of the night, but also pass the
baton to Moegor, who'll be doing his show from here
tomorrow from three to six. So I know it's a
show mo looks forward to. We're excited and I want
to spend a few more minutes. We've been mostly Bengals today,
we've talked tennis today. Let's spend a few minutes on
the Cincinnati Reds. And I want to read this quote
one more time from Barry Larkin last night Austin. This
(01:02):
happened to put it into context Reds leading for to
one in the game last night, and the conversation turned
a little bit to the reds pursuit of reaching five
hundred for the first time since they were sixteen and sixteen.
Here's the quote, from Barry Larkin. That's all fine and good,
(01:25):
and I think that's the right thing to say that
the playoffs remain a goal for the Reds. But listen,
there's expectation, and there should be expectation in this city
with the amount of talent that we have. We have
a superstar talented pitcher that was obviously Bee, Hunter Green,
superstar talented players. Elie de la Cruz is in the
MVP conversation, and there has to be something in someone
(01:48):
that just cannot accept mediocrity, if you will, because five
hundred baseball is five hundred baseball. You don't win playing
five hundred. You have dominant players and they have to
figure it out, just like Hunter Green has right there,
how to dominate. I think these guys they need to
be pushed. This is interesting, he says. I think these
guys they need to be pushed. I know that I'm
(02:09):
sitting here thinking about myself and Eric Davis and what
he did for me in my career. What he did
is challenged me. He didn't let me go out there
and just be okay. He told me, it's unacceptable for
you to be a five hundred ball player. It's unacceptable.
He finishes with this, He says, I feel like guys
are supremely talented, and I feel like, hopefully they will
fill that challenge of learning how and going through the
(02:31):
process of dominating ball games, dominating the opposition. Loupanella went
out there and said, we're gonna win. That's not an
expectation to compete. There's an expectation to win, and we
felt that as players. You know what we did. We
won phenomenal stuff in my opinion from Barry Larkin, and
I don't want this to be an indictment on just
(02:53):
David Bell, because Eric Davis was playing on that team.
Eric Davis was one of the players that marylarkoln said.
Eric Davis would not let me be five hundred. He
would not let us have the mentality that that was acceptable.
Along with lou Panella, the expectation is winning, not we
feel like we're competing at a high level. The expectation
(03:15):
is winning, and it should be in Cincinnati and here
we are get to five hundred. Can they just get
to five hundred?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It is so frustrating of a mindset and whether it
is leaders in the locker room, whether it's David Bell
as a leader, there has to be an organizational shift
in the mindset of what is acceptable and what is
viewed as success from a season standpoint for the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, the thing that I love about it is this
is one of the three or four best players that's
ever played for this organization. This is a Cincinnati kid.
This is somebody whose words carry significant weight in this
city and with this franchise. This is a guy in
Barry Larkin who win. He speaks, people listen, and for
(04:03):
him to say that knowing that his bosses are the
people he's talking about. I think this goes beyond David Bell.
I think organizationally, there cannot be the willingness to accept mediocrity.
I've said it constantly on these radio waves and on
(04:23):
the down the hall on WLW. All I care about
is winning.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That is all Reds fans should care about. That is
all Nick Krawl should care about, and David Bell should
care about, and the Castellini family should cary winning, winning, winning,
And unfortunately, because the organization has not aggressively pursued championships
for the last twenty years, eventually you just become okay
with five hundred. That's the apathy that you look to avoid.
(04:51):
I've said this a thousand times. I feel like this
organization is supposed to have a standard. That standard is
supposed to be upheld. It has not been upheld since
nineteen ninety. And the nineteen ninety team was upholding the
standard of the Big Red Machine and the Big Red Machine,
the great teams that came before that, the nineteen nineteen
(05:12):
team obviously, when know what happened that World Series? With
nineteen forty multiple World Series appearances and National League pennants,
this organization, it is unacceptable for an organization with so
much history and so much reach and so important to
the history of baseball, it is unacceptable for there to
(05:35):
be mediocrity sprawling all over. And that's exactly what it is.
And that's why I've had so much frustrations around them,
is because I'm tired of just being okay, like it should.
It's insane. How happy we were with eighty two and
eighty last year, yep, insane.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
What a win, what a steal?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And this year even this year was like, oh, we're
really try to get to the playoffs, No, hell with that,
I want to win a World Series.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That should be the expectation, and that is why I've
come out and I've said this, and I know you've
talked about it as well. I really like David Bell.
I don't know if he has the right mentality for
this young team to get them to the next level
the organization. David should understand it better than anybody. He's
been here, as Dad played, here, is Grandpa played, here,
(06:25):
is dad manager. He should know it better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
His personality may just not fit this organization, and that's okay.
Barry Larkin and Eric Davis are in all levels of
this organization coaching young players. They are and they are
the greatest that's ever played. They get it and for
some some way, shape and form. There is a disconnect
(06:52):
between that and once you get to the big leagues,
and even more so, a disconnect between that in the
top of the organization. Yeah, Reds fans should be embarrassed
over the last thirty years. I am. I want the
Reds to be awesome. I want them to be right
there in the conversation and just going for five hundred.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
No, it's and the crazy thing is, as you look back,
you know, I view when when Barry Larkin and Eric
Davis are saying things that would be like you remember
when with the Bengals with Aj Green and Geno Atkins
in their prime, they weren't the most vocable when they talk.
You listen, Yeah, because they can back it up because
they backed it up with greatness on the field. So
many of what so much of what Elie does, we're like, hey,
(07:36):
you know the last read to do that, Eric Davis,
Barry Larkin, the Hall of Fame player, Like those are
the level of players, and it is it starts at
the top of the organization because if the team's not
going to try to win it all, how can the
players take it seriously in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
How can there be that push that Larkin said, Eric
Davis gave that lou Penella gave. So this starts at
the top, it goes all the way down. But the
fact that we had to have conversations, oh, just get
to five hundred two games under two more games than what. Yeah,
then we just we brought off into the sunset because
we finished five hundred for a season.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah. And news flash, by the way, all these young
players that play for the Reds, the Reds have sucked
their whole life too. Yeah, they don't know what it's
supposed to be like here. They don't know the standard.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I mean, you'd try your best to explain the history
to them. As far as I know they should. That
should be a requirement of being a Cincinnati Red. But
for their whole life, the Reds have been nothing. Yeah,
and how are you going to get the point across
that when you wear a Red's uniform it means something?
Do you think that when you step into the New
(08:42):
York Yankees clubhouse you don't understand how important it is
in the standard that George Steinbrenner, who's been dead for years,
still upholds that entire organization. He set a standard of excellence.
I mean, hell, the Oakland Raiders now the Las Vegas Raiders,
they've sucked for a long time too, But you know what,
Old Davis is still all over that place, and there
(09:02):
is still what they believe, a commitment to excellence that
they are trying to achieve and they are aggressive and
trying to do it. They failed a lot, but they
are aggressive and trying to do it. I don't feel
that way about the Reds.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, And that's that is That's what urps and key
the problem. Yeah, our pursuit of excellence continues when we
come back because we get to talk to Moeger for
quick hits and locks of the night. It's Sincy three
sixty live from the Cincinnati Open on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports station.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
From the preferred home comfort Tempster Weather Center. Here's your
forecast as go through the rest of your Wednesday. Looking
at plenty of sunshine and a lot more warmth. Up
to eighty seven today with a north wind at five
to ten into the evening, and overnight tonight will stay
season old temperatures falling into the mid sixties overnight. One
last night of lower humidity with winds out of the east.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
At four to eight.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Thursday, we'll start to feel a little more humidity, a
lot hotter eighty nine with an afternoon shower with thunderstorm possible.
Some could be strong overnight into Friday. That's your forecast.
I'm nine First Warning Meteorologists Brandon's.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This report is sponsored by all States.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Some people
You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Since he three to sixty at the Cincinnati Open. I
had to lender Family Tennis facility in Mason, Ohio. Thank
you to the fine folks at Western and Southern for
having us out today. This has been awesome and we
have a couple more segments to go, and we'll not
only pass the baton here today to Moegar for click
(00:40):
hits and locks of the night, but also pass the
baton to Moegor, who'll be doing his show from here
tomorrow from three to six. So I know it's a
show mo looks forward to. We're excited and I want
to spend a few more minutes. We've been mostly Bengals today,
we've talked tennis today. Let's spend a few minutes on
the Cincinnati Reds. And I want to read this quote
one more time from Barry Larkin last night Austin. This
(01:02):
happened to put it into context Reds leading for to
one in the game last night, and the conversation turned
a little bit to the reds pursuit of reaching five
hundred for the first time since they were sixteen and sixteen.
Here's the quote, from Barry Larkin. That's all fine and good,
(01:25):
and I think that's the right thing to say that
the playoffs remain a goal for the Reds. But listen,
there's expectation, and there should be expectation in this city
with the amount of talent that we have. We have
a superstar talented pitcher that was obviously Bee, Hunter Green,
superstar talented players. Elie de la Cruz is in the
MVP conversation, and there has to be something in someone
(01:48):
that just cannot accept mediocrity, if you will, because five
hundred baseball is five hundred baseball. You don't win playing
five hundred. You have dominant players and they have to
figure it out, just like Hunter Green has right there,
how to dominate. I think these guys they need to
be pushed. This is interesting, he says. I think these
guys they need to be pushed. I know that I'm
(02:09):
sitting here thinking about myself and Eric Davis and what
he did for me in my career. What he did
is challenged me. He didn't let me go out there
and just be okay. He told me, it's unacceptable for
you to be a five hundred ball player. It's unacceptable.
He finishes with this, He says, I feel like guys
are supremely talented, and I feel like, hopefully they will
fill that challenge of learning how and going through the
(02:31):
process of dominating ball games, dominating the opposition. Loupanella went
out there and said, we're gonna win. That's not an
expectation to compete. There's an expectation to win, and we
felt that as players. You know what we did. We
won phenomenal stuff in my opinion from Barry Larkin, and
I don't want this to be an indictment on just
(02:53):
David Bell, because Eric Davis was playing on that team.
Eric Davis was one of the players that marylarkoln said.
Eric Davis would not let me be five hundred. He
would not let us have the mentality that that was acceptable.
Along with lou Panella, the expectation is winning, not we
feel like we're competing at a high level. The expectation
(03:15):
is winning, and it should be in Cincinnati and here
we are get to five hundred. Can they just get
to five hundred?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It is so frustrating of a mindset and whether it
is leaders in the locker room, whether it's David Bell
as a leader, there has to be an organizational shift
in the mindset of what is acceptable and what is
viewed as success from a season standpoint for the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, the thing that I love about it is this
is one of the three or four best players that's
ever played for this organization. This is a Cincinnati kid.
This is somebody whose words carry significant weight in this
city and with this franchise. This is a guy in
Barry Larkin who win. He speaks, people listen, and for
(04:03):
him to say that knowing that his bosses are the
people he's talking about. I think this goes beyond David Bell.
I think organizationally, there cannot be the willingness to accept mediocrity.
I've said it constantly on these radio waves and on
(04:23):
the down the hall on WLW. All I care about
is winning.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That is all Reds fans should care about. That is
all Nick Krawl should care about, and David Bell should
care about, and the Castellini family should cary winning, winning, winning,
And unfortunately, because the organization has not aggressively pursued championships
for the last twenty years, eventually you just become okay
with five hundred. That's the apathy that you look to avoid.
(04:51):
I've said this a thousand times. I feel like this
organization is supposed to have a standard. That standard is
supposed to be upheld. It has not been upheld since
nineteen ninety. And the nineteen ninety team was upholding the
standard of the Big Red Machine and the Big Red Machine,
the great teams that came before that, the nineteen nineteen
(05:12):
team obviously, when know what happened that World Series? With
nineteen forty multiple World Series appearances and National League pennants,
this organization, it is unacceptable for an organization with so
much history and so much reach and so important to
the history of baseball, it is unacceptable for there to
(05:35):
be mediocrity sprawling all over. And that's exactly what it is.
And that's why I've had so much frustrations around them,
is because I'm tired of just being okay, like it should.
It's insane. How happy we were with eighty two and
eighty last year, yep, insane.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
What a win, what a steal?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And this year even this year was like, oh, we're
really try to get to the playoffs, No, hell with that,
I want to win a World Series.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That should be the expectation, and that is why I've
come out and I've said this, and I know you've
talked about it as well. I really like David Bell.
I don't know if he has the right mentality for
this young team to get them to the next level
the organization. David should understand it better than anybody. He's
been here, as Dad played, here, is Grandpa played, here,
(06:25):
is dad manager. He should know it better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
His personality may just not fit this organization, and that's okay.
Barry Larkin and Eric Davis are in all levels of
this organization coaching young players. They are and they are
the greatest that's ever played. They get it and for
some some way, shape and form. There is a disconnect
(06:52):
between that and once you get to the big leagues,
and even more so, a disconnect between that in the
top of the organization. Yeah, Reds fans should be embarrassed
over the last thirty years. I am. I want the
Reds to be awesome. I want them to be right
there in the conversation and just going for five hundred.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
No, it's and the crazy thing is, as you look back,
you know, I view when when Barry Larkin and Eric
Davis are saying things that would be like you remember
when with the Bengals with Aj Green and Geno Atkins
in their prime, they weren't the most vocable when they talk.
You listen, Yeah, because they can back it up because
they backed it up with greatness on the field. So
many of what so much of what Elie does, we're like, hey,
(07:36):
you know the last read to do that, Eric Davis,
Barry Larkin, the Hall of Fame player, Like those are
the level of players, and it is it starts at
the top of the organization because if the team's not
going to try to win it all, how can the
players take it seriously in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
How can there be that push that Larkin said, Eric
Davis gave that lou Penella gave. So this starts at
the top, it goes all the way down. But the
fact that we had to have conversations, oh, just get
to five hundred two games under two more games than what. Yeah,
then we just we brought off into the sunset because
we finished five hundred for a season.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah. And news flash, by the way, all these young
players that play for the Reds, the Reds have sucked
their whole life too. Yeah, they don't know what it's
supposed to be like here. They don't know the standard.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I mean, you'd try your best to explain the history
to them. As far as I know they should. That
should be a requirement of being a Cincinnati Red. But
for their whole life, the Reds have been nothing. Yeah,
and how are you going to get the point across
that when you wear a Red's uniform it means something?
Do you think that when you step into the New
(08:42):
York Yankees clubhouse you don't understand how important it is
in the standard that George Steinbrenner, who's been dead for years,
still upholds that entire organization. He set a standard of excellence.
I mean, hell, the Oakland Raiders now the Las Vegas Raiders,
they've sucked for a long time too, But you know what,
Old Davis is still all over that place, and there
(09:02):
is still what they believe, a commitment to excellence that
they are trying to achieve and they are aggressive and
trying to do it. They failed a lot, but they
are aggressive and trying to do it. I don't feel
that way about the Reds.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, And that's that is That's what urps and key
the problem. Yeah, our pursuit of excellence continues when we
come back because we get to talk to Moeger for
quick hits and locks of the night. It's Sincy three
sixty live from the Cincinnati Open on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports station.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
From the preferred home comfort Tempster Weather Center. Here's your
forecast as go through the rest of your Wednesday. Looking
at plenty of sunshine and a lot more warmth. Up
to eighty seven today with a north wind at five
to ten into the evening, and overnight tonight will stay
season old temperatures falling into the mid sixties overnight. One
last night of lower humidity with winds out of the east.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
At four to eight.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Thursday, we'll start to feel a little more humidity, a
lot hotter eighty nine with an afternoon shower with thunderstorm possible.
Some could be strong overnight into Friday. That's your forecast.
I'm nine First Warning Meteorologists Brandon's.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This report is sponsored by all States.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Some people
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