October 7, 2025 • 22 mins
Austin is on the air with Joe Danneman from FOX19 when the news of the Bengals trading for Joe Flacco breaks, on ESPN 1530.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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talk to our guy Joe Danoman from Fox nineteen Joey
D as they call him, Joey D. What up?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, Audie? Wait?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
All right, yeah, go ahead?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yes, uh huh okay. So I'm on the sideline shooting
the game Sunday Bengals and live pay Course Stadium. And
when your first name is the same name as the
celebrity quarterback in that city, you get pretty used to
hearing your name and ignoring it because you know they're
not talking to you. So I hear someone from the
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stands yelling Joe repeatedly, and in my brain I'm thinking, well,
they're talking about Joe Burrow. Then I think about it more.
I'm like, Joe's not on the sidelines. Are they talking
to me? And the guy finally says, hey, Daniman and
I turn around and this guy had made his way
down of the front row. He looks right at me
and goes Gee night on a Sunday at pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That is hilarious. Did you go to the wrestling when
it was here that I don't even know what it
was or where it was, but I know it was here.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Did you go down Friday night? It's SmackDown. I did
not get to go because Friday night is one of
the most important days of the week for the local
TV guys. Couldn't make it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Let me start with Burrow. Actually, is do you have
any indication on when he may return to the sidelines,
if he will return, is he going to be in
the booth? Is there any has he been around? Do
we know anything about that?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
This is a great question because we're standing in the
Bengals locker room yesterday and here comes Joe walking in.
I said walking. He had a walking boot on, and
I turned to the other media members to ask them
if this was new, because I was in LA during
Bengals open media time last week and was not around
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to see if Burrow had done that yet. Because the
last time I saw Joe he had a cast on
and was using a scooter post surgery to get around
the Bengals locker room. So to see him in a
walking boot walking was different for me, and I asked
around and most everybody I asked to the same question
that they said they had not seen it, and I
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kind of gathered that no one saw him last week
at all, So that seemed to be a new development
that Joe was up and walking around in a walking boot.
Where he is on Sundays, we don't know. He wasn't
on the sideline, no one had eyes on him inside
of a suite. I'm assuming he's somewhere at the stadium
when the Bengals play home games. I'm sure he's trying
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to keep a low profile for multiple reasons, but to
see him walking around in a walking boot yesterday was different.
And that's the latest update. I have on one Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
As for the person who is manning his position in
the meantime, Jake Browning didn't play well on Sunday, Zach
Taylor seemed to leave the door open to potentially making
a change. How do you see this playing out before
Green Bay on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think if we're going to handicap this, I think
the favorite is going to be Jake Browning, just because
the options in house I don't believe are good enough
to convince the locker room that someone else gives them
a better chance of winning. Sean Clifford's been here for
what a month and is on the practice squad, so
I don't think he's an option. So the options are
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Jake Browning and Brett Rippon. And I believe that both
Zach Taylor and the Bengals players believe that Jake Browning.
And this is a hard sentence I'm sure for Bengals
fans to hear give them gives them the best chance
of winning, not just this week, but going forward. Now
there's a separate discussion to have about should they look
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outside of the organization to bring someone in. Quite honestly,
to this point, you're wondering if it's getting too late
because the amount of time it would safe to get
someone here, get them up to speed, get them ready,
of the Bengals still going to be afloat and have
a pulse for the second half of the season. Given
the fact that even though the AFC is wide open,
if you fall to two and five, which this team
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is staring at with two hard opponents coming up the
next two weeks, I just wonder if it's going to
be too late for this team to bring in somebody.
And there's also the other argument you can make about
investing in what kind of feels like a lost season
already without Joe Burrows. So to answer your original question,
I would be stunned if anybody else besides Jake Browning
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on Sunday, I truly believe of the options that are
in the building, he gives them the best chance of
being successful. As much as people think that Jamar Chase
and T Higgins or offensive weapons take your favorite, one
might be losing faith in Jake Browning, they continue to
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publicly back him. That the mood in the vibe I
get from them is that they still believe they can
play competitive football with him. From talking to them both
Sunday and seeing them yesterday as well. So I think
Jake Brown is going to be the guy until that changes.
I will be surprised if somebody else is out on
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the field this coming Sunday or anytime in the future.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Do you think it's more detrimental to the culture of
the locker room to keep running Jake browning out there
if he continues to perform that way, or to just
kind of have this carousel of quarterbacks trying to find
something or does it not matter if you lose, you
lose and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, I think there becomes a breaking point with everybody
that if it becomes so non competitive, you've got to
do something, just to do something different. I mean, that's
the reality of sports. Sometimes sometimes it's a change just
to make a change. And it's felt like we were
at that edge on Sunday against the Lions, and Zach
Taylor even acknowledged that yesterday when speaking at his press
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conference that he felt it. How could you not feel
it inside that stadium, the fans urging a change. Now,
I remember being a young kid going to Bangwick games
at Riverfront Coliseum or at Riverfront Stadium, excuse me. And
I remember being part of the crowd that was starting
an Eric Kresser chance. They get Eric Kresser into a
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game and it worked, and they put Eric Kresser in
and on his first pass he threw a pick, and
you got to be saying, what are we doing? So sometimes, yeah,
the decisions have to come from the coaches, not necessarily
the fans. And again I go back to the fact
that even though, and this is the discussion Austin, is
why is Jake Browning not performing like he did two
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years ago? Because we have the baseline of this guy
being somewhat successful, playing good enough football for this team
to win games. Now, I would encourage people to go
back and look at the twenty twenty three seasons and
the games he played, and see the games he had
success in and the games he did not have success in.
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He did not have success against the Steelers in two
games he did have success against non playoff teams playing
with backup quarterbacks, and the Bengals won those games. So
the other part of this problem is that Jake Browning
has been thrown into what is the most difficult part
of the Bengals schedule, where he's playing nothing but playoff teams,
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and he's playing either elite defenses or elite offenses that
he has to try to keep up with. And this
is not an excuse for Jake Browning, because even if
you are playing elite defenses, it has to look a
lot better than what we've seen from his three starts
so far. But Jacksonville's four and one, and he was
functional against Jacksonville, and he made mistakes, but he also
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made plays. And at Jacksonville is going to be a
playoff team, and it looks like they might be somewhere inside,
Jake Browning is a guy that can't help this team
be competitive against good teams. So the question for Zach
Taylor then becomes, how do you get better at Jake Browning?
How do you get the Jake Browning of twenty twenty
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three in twenty twenty five. And that is the urgency
for this coaching staff to figure out very quick otherwise
what's already spiraling might go down the drink.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Zach had kind of loosely mentioned Sunday about play calling
and how he puts a lot of that on himself
as well. I don't know if I would necessarily agree
with that he was then asked again about it yesterday
and said he will continue to call plays. Where do
you think Zach is at right now with all of this?
And I guess trying to manage because there were plays
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to be had and they didn't make them, and Jake
specifically didn't make them. So how does Zach deal with that?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
How do you get from I'm calling the right play
but you're not executing it to trying to make a
player better? Like how do you you know what I'm saying?
Like I don't even not to ask the question because
it feels like it's such a weird situation.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, it feels like almost fansap and decide what side
they're on that Who's to blame? Is it the quarterback
who's not seeing it? Or is it the play caller
who's not getting the quarterback into the right place to
be successful? Or is it the head coach that's not
getting the quarterback ready throughout the week. Given that he's
an offensive minded head coach for him to play his
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best football, I think we have to go back and
understand that Dak Taylor is not a young head coach.
This is his seventh season doing this in Cincinnati. He
at this point, he knows how to manage his week.
He knows how to delegate this week his week. You
can argue, given the results that without Joe Burrow, that
he has to elevate his game, but I don't think
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it's going to change. And so I think the idea
of Zach Taylor in play calling becomes a bit of
a moot discussion. Certainly, it's one that's debatable amongst fans,
and they should debate it because that's what we do
when we watch games and we observe games and we
talk about it is deciding who did well, who deserves blame,
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and everybody can decide for themselves, whether it's Zach Taylor,
whether it's Jake Browning. But he does everything intentionally, he
being Zach Taylor with the idea of.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh uh, oh, Joe, we have breaking news, and if
you have to get off, if you have to get
off the phone, I understand. Ian Rapaport of NFL Network,
Joe is reporting that the Bengals are trading for Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco, Okay, Joe dan Fun, Joe Danoman. Get ready
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for people to be yelling Joe again. Uh, your immediate
reaction Joe Danoman to the Bengals trading for Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
My immediate reaction is Joe Flacco. We talked about the
ramp up time it takes for quarterbacks right to come
in here, learn a system, and then be competitive on
the field. Joe Flacco, to me, accelerates that timeline of
giving them a new option because he's been in the
league so long. It also to me tells me what
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the Browns think of Joe Flacco that they would trade
him in division. But certainly you have to credit the
Bengals for right understanding the situation, reading the AFC, seeing
there's still an opportunity to be competitive going forward. So
the fact that they're going out and being proactive and
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getting a guy and taking a shot, to me at
least at least tells the fan base they're trying. Yeah,
they're trying something here and not just beating their head
against the wall with Jake Browning playing Baske football.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah. And I was looking earlier this morning because I
was trying to think if they go and get somebody,
would it be somebody who has played Green Bay already
this season, just in the event that he's needed and
he has Joe Flacco Earlier this year in a thirteen
to ten win for the Browns over the Packers, was
twenty one of thirty six for one hundred and forty
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two yards, zero touchdowns, one interception. I guess is he
the favorite to start?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Boy? That's the question. That's the question, right, Can they
get this guy ready in a matter of four or
five days to play in Green Bay. I'm not going
to say no. I think certainly the easy answer would be, Okay,
the Bengals have this distretch right of two games and
however many days? What ten eleven days? And then you
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get the mini bye week after the Thursday night game
to get Joe Blackob out there. If you're trading for
Joe Flacco, you're trying to maintain a level of competitiveness
in a year where some of the contenders might be
a little bit down. Look, Baltimore's one in four and
plays the Rams this coming Sunday, so they're staring at
possible one and by start in the face the Kansas
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City Chiefs, who I thought looked really good last night,
and Patrick Mahomes looks like himself, athletic, fast, young, he
looks like that again, they're two and four, possibly if
they lose against the Lions this coming Sunday. So there
are some contenders that we expect that are down. And
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so there's a shot here in the AFC that if
you can get to nine wins, nine wins might be enough.
And once you get past this two game stretch, the
Bengals schedule opens up with some winnable games. There could
be seven or eight wins on the Bengals schedule. So yeah,
that's going to be the question starting tomorrow. Right, is
Joe Flacco going to be ready in tie for the
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Bengals to go to Green Bay? I think so. The
fact that he's played enough football, I think the Bengals
could be able to cater an offensive game plan around him.
Look at your Jamar Chase and your T Higgins, and
you've seen what this guy does with weapons down the field.
It's got to be fun. It's different, and to me,
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it just shows the fan base and the locker room
that you're willing and trying to do something to keep
this season afloat, because there's still twelve weeks we so
twelve weeks of football, and if nothing else, this shows
people that they're at least trying.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I think back to twenty twenty three, similar situation.
Cleveland has their quarterback go down in November and they
turned to Joe Flacco and he rips off four wins
in the last five six games, very similar to what
Jake Browning did in that same stretch of time for
the Bengals. So I guess if you can't recreate the
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magic with Jake Browning from twenty twenty three, you try
it with Joe Flacco. So it is a sixth round
pick going to the Bengals, I guess, according to these
different reports. So all right, that pretty much sums it
up that the answer to all the questions we've been
asking was answered right there while we were on the air. Joe,
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it was a pleasure to share the airwaves with you
during that announcement.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Can I say this, though.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Now. Now they're getting thing maybe the NFL's most immobile
quarterback behind an offensive line that I think might be
the root of all the problems problem that is happening
right now with the Bengals offense. Whether it be the
run game, whether it be the quarterback play, whether it's
Joe Burrow's injury. It's an offensive line simply that has
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not been good enough from day one at the start
of the year. And now now you're adding Joe Flacco,
who is probably the most immobile quarterback in the NFL
and putting him behind that offensive line. To me, that's
a little bit scary. Uh. But but you use the
word you use the word magic. That the magic he
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had in Cleveland and leading them to the playoffs, and
the magical run of all the plays he made down
the field with the Marii Cooper. Uh, you're you're trying
to find something that adds energy, then this will add energy.
The Bengals are back in the conversation now. National League
people are going to be talking about them today. Whether
Joe Flacco can be ready to play on Sunday or not.
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Certainly there's going to be energy inside the Bangles locker
room with this team trying to give them something to
go to to recreate something here in the middle part
of the season. But yeah, when you think about it
a little bit, you start thinking about Joe Flacco and
his inability to move being behind an offensive line that
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has an inability to protect its quarterback. Because to me,
it's the reason Joe's hurt, and to me, it's the
reason Jake Browning hasn't played well. I think. I think
Jake Browning after that Minnesota game started looking over both
shoulders at all times, wondering where the pressure is coming from,
and it affected his play. So that's certainly something that
goes along with this conversation of bringing in Joe Flacco,
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a guy that can certainly throw it, a guy who
can certainly read a defense, but a guy who can't
move very well in the pocket now behind an offensive
line that really can't protect him.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'll leave you with this final question. As a quarterback,
would you rather be unable to throw or unable to move?
Because that feels like what the Bengals are choosing between here.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yes, isn't that great? Certainly I'd rather be other Joe
Flacco side that. If you block here, here's the thing
in the NFL, right, if it's a running back or
a quarterback, if you block it up, it has to
be executed. And that's the one thing Joe Flacco can do.
If you block it up and give him a shot,
he can rip a throw and execute a play. So, uh, yeah,
I think the Bengals are going to try to bank
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on that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yep, I'm right there with you. Joe. Thank you so much.
We'll talk to you again next week.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That was fun, Austin, just do it again.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Actually, you know, I'll give you a chance. What do
you got coming up? What do people need to know
about you and your coverage of the Bangles? Joe Flacco
are going to come down and join the live show
this week.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That's right, Yeah. Can you imagine he's got nothing to do,
come on down and yunk it up with a couple
of local TV guys in front of the live studio audience.
Evan mcpheerson tomorrow night. Evan mcpearson is a very, very
fun guest, So we'll have him tomorrow night at Newport
and then Sunday all weekend long. I'll be in Green
Bay with coverage.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Make sure that you ask Evan how sore he was
after being at the bottom of the pile of the
on side kick, because he you know, he didn't get
a lot of contact, and I would imagine about that
he felt a little. That was my favorite play from
Sunday because Evan McPherson was fighting. He didn't care, he
was going after it and I appreciated that. H Joe,
thanks so much to.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Recreate that tomorrow night at Bengals. Now we're gonna have
a live on side kick tutorial from Evan se y'all
love it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Thanks Joe. That is Joey D. Fox nineteen. Joe, Okay,
there it is. The Bengals have traded for a quarterback.
Charlie Goldsmith puts this on his social media. This was
a twenty twenty two quote from Zach Taylor on Joe
Flacco quote. I see a guy who has seen everything.
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He plays with confidence, poise, and plays on time. He
can make any throw. Charlie continues. Flacco threw some picks
this year, but he generally operates the offense and is accurate.
The under center play action game is something to work with.
Charlie continues. The Browns also benched him. He wasn't able
to hold on to the starting spot in Indianapolis last
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year either. Is this the most aggressive in season trade
in Bengals history? The alternative would have been pretty hard
to sell. That comes from our friend, Charlie Goldsmith. All right,
we'll take a break. I'll get some more information. Actually,
I do believe I have the trade details here in
front of me, all right, So the Bengals are receiving
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Joe Flacco and a sixth round pick. That sixth round
pick was originally the sixth round pick of the Detroit Lions.
In exchange, the Bengals are sending a fifth round pick
to Cleveland. So it is Joe Flacco and a sixth
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for a fifth from the Bengals. This will be the
seventh NFL team that Joe Joe Flacco has played for.
It will be the third AFC North team for him.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It is the first time that the Bengals have ever
completed a trade with the Cleveland Browns. You may remember
that they tried to trade AJ mccerron to the Browns
several years ago, but the Browns screwed up the paperwork
and it did not go through. So there you have it.
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Joe Flacco is the guy. Five three, seven nine, fifteen
thirty is the phone number. Let's do talkbacks in their
normal spot as we always do, and we'll get your
reaction to the Bengals trading for Joe Flacco. This is
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi, Hello and welcome in our number two of since
E three to sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty, brought to
you by Cincy Shirts. By the way, I've chosen two
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was derelict in my duties, and I have submitted their information.
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that is. And sincey Shirt's a proud sponsor of Hour
two and always an Hour two? Do we get to
talk to our guy Joe Danoman from Fox nineteen Joey
D as they call him, Joey D. What up?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, Audie? Wait?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
All right, yeah, go ahead?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yes, uh huh okay. So I'm on the sideline shooting
the game Sunday Bengals and live pay Course Stadium. And
when your first name is the same name as the
celebrity quarterback in that city, you get pretty used to
hearing your name and ignoring it because you know they're
not talking to you. So I hear someone from the
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stands yelling Joe repeatedly, and in my brain I'm thinking, well,
they're talking about Joe Burrow. Then I think about it more.
I'm like, Joe's not on the sidelines. Are they talking
to me? And the guy finally says, hey, Daniman and
I turn around and this guy had made his way
down of the front row. He looks right at me
and goes Gee night on a Sunday at pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That is hilarious. Did you go to the wrestling when
it was here that I don't even know what it
was or where it was, but I know it was here.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Did you go down Friday night? It's SmackDown. I did
not get to go because Friday night is one of
the most important days of the week for the local
TV guys. Couldn't make it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Let me start with Burrow. Actually, is do you have
any indication on when he may return to the sidelines,
if he will return, is he going to be in
the booth? Is there any has he been around? Do
we know anything about that?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
This is a great question because we're standing in the
Bengals locker room yesterday and here comes Joe walking in.
I said walking. He had a walking boot on, and
I turned to the other media members to ask them
if this was new, because I was in LA during
Bengals open media time last week and was not around
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to see if Burrow had done that yet. Because the
last time I saw Joe he had a cast on
and was using a scooter post surgery to get around
the Bengals locker room. So to see him in a
walking boot walking was different for me, and I asked
around and most everybody I asked to the same question
that they said they had not seen it, and I
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kind of gathered that no one saw him last week
at all, So that seemed to be a new development
that Joe was up and walking around in a walking boot.
Where he is on Sundays, we don't know. He wasn't
on the sideline, no one had eyes on him inside
of a suite. I'm assuming he's somewhere at the stadium
when the Bengals play home games. I'm sure he's trying
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to keep a low profile for multiple reasons, but to
see him walking around in a walking boot yesterday was different.
And that's the latest update. I have on one Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
As for the person who is manning his position in
the meantime, Jake Browning didn't play well on Sunday, Zach
Taylor seemed to leave the door open to potentially making
a change. How do you see this playing out before
Green Bay on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think if we're going to handicap this, I think
the favorite is going to be Jake Browning, just because
the options in house I don't believe are good enough
to convince the locker room that someone else gives them
a better chance of winning. Sean Clifford's been here for
what a month and is on the practice squad, so
I don't think he's an option. So the options are
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Jake Browning and Brett Rippon. And I believe that both
Zach Taylor and the Bengals players believe that Jake Browning.
And this is a hard sentence I'm sure for Bengals
fans to hear give them gives them the best chance
of winning, not just this week, but going forward. Now
there's a separate discussion to have about should they look
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outside of the organization to bring someone in. Quite honestly,
to this point, you're wondering if it's getting too late
because the amount of time it would safe to get
someone here, get them up to speed, get them ready,
of the Bengals still going to be afloat and have
a pulse for the second half of the season. Given
the fact that even though the AFC is wide open,
if you fall to two and five, which this team
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is staring at with two hard opponents coming up the
next two weeks, I just wonder if it's going to
be too late for this team to bring in somebody.
And there's also the other argument you can make about
investing in what kind of feels like a lost season
already without Joe Burrows. So to answer your original question,
I would be stunned if anybody else besides Jake Browning
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on Sunday, I truly believe of the options that are
in the building, he gives them the best chance of
being successful. As much as people think that Jamar Chase
and T Higgins or offensive weapons take your favorite, one
might be losing faith in Jake Browning, they continue to
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publicly back him. That the mood in the vibe I
get from them is that they still believe they can
play competitive football with him. From talking to them both
Sunday and seeing them yesterday as well. So I think
Jake Brown is going to be the guy until that changes.
I will be surprised if somebody else is out on
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the field this coming Sunday or anytime in the future.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Do you think it's more detrimental to the culture of
the locker room to keep running Jake browning out there
if he continues to perform that way, or to just
kind of have this carousel of quarterbacks trying to find
something or does it not matter if you lose, you
lose and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, I think there becomes a breaking point with everybody
that if it becomes so non competitive, you've got to
do something, just to do something different. I mean, that's
the reality of sports. Sometimes sometimes it's a change just
to make a change. And it's felt like we were
at that edge on Sunday against the Lions, and Zach
Taylor even acknowledged that yesterday when speaking at his press
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conference that he felt it. How could you not feel
it inside that stadium, the fans urging a change. Now,
I remember being a young kid going to Bangwick games
at Riverfront Coliseum or at Riverfront Stadium, excuse me. And
I remember being part of the crowd that was starting
an Eric Kresser chance. They get Eric Kresser into a
(07:03):
game and it worked, and they put Eric Kresser in
and on his first pass he threw a pick, and
you got to be saying, what are we doing? So sometimes, yeah,
the decisions have to come from the coaches, not necessarily
the fans. And again I go back to the fact
that even though, and this is the discussion Austin, is
why is Jake Browning not performing like he did two
(07:27):
years ago? Because we have the baseline of this guy
being somewhat successful, playing good enough football for this team
to win games. Now, I would encourage people to go
back and look at the twenty twenty three seasons and
the games he played, and see the games he had
success in and the games he did not have success in.
(07:48):
He did not have success against the Steelers in two
games he did have success against non playoff teams playing
with backup quarterbacks, and the Bengals won those games. So
the other part of this problem is that Jake Browning
has been thrown into what is the most difficult part
of the Bengals schedule, where he's playing nothing but playoff teams,
(08:08):
and he's playing either elite defenses or elite offenses that
he has to try to keep up with. And this
is not an excuse for Jake Browning, because even if
you are playing elite defenses, it has to look a
lot better than what we've seen from his three starts
so far. But Jacksonville's four and one, and he was
functional against Jacksonville, and he made mistakes, but he also
(08:30):
made plays. And at Jacksonville is going to be a
playoff team, and it looks like they might be somewhere inside,
Jake Browning is a guy that can't help this team
be competitive against good teams. So the question for Zach
Taylor then becomes, how do you get better at Jake Browning?
How do you get the Jake Browning of twenty twenty
(08:52):
three in twenty twenty five. And that is the urgency
for this coaching staff to figure out very quick otherwise
what's already spiraling might go down the drink.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Zach had kind of loosely mentioned Sunday about play calling
and how he puts a lot of that on himself
as well. I don't know if I would necessarily agree
with that he was then asked again about it yesterday
and said he will continue to call plays. Where do
you think Zach is at right now with all of this?
And I guess trying to manage because there were plays
(09:28):
to be had and they didn't make them, and Jake
specifically didn't make them. So how does Zach deal with that?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
How do you get from I'm calling the right play
but you're not executing it to trying to make a
player better? Like how do you you know what I'm saying?
Like I don't even not to ask the question because
it feels like it's such a weird situation.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, it feels like almost fansap and decide what side
they're on that Who's to blame? Is it the quarterback
who's not seeing it? Or is it the play caller
who's not getting the quarterback into the right place to
be successful? Or is it the head coach that's not
getting the quarterback ready throughout the week. Given that he's
an offensive minded head coach for him to play his
(10:07):
best football, I think we have to go back and
understand that Dak Taylor is not a young head coach.
This is his seventh season doing this in Cincinnati. He
at this point, he knows how to manage his week.
He knows how to delegate this week his week. You
can argue, given the results that without Joe Burrow, that
he has to elevate his game, but I don't think
(10:28):
it's going to change. And so I think the idea
of Zach Taylor in play calling becomes a bit of
a moot discussion. Certainly, it's one that's debatable amongst fans,
and they should debate it because that's what we do
when we watch games and we observe games and we
talk about it is deciding who did well, who deserves blame,
(10:50):
and everybody can decide for themselves, whether it's Zach Taylor,
whether it's Jake Browning. But he does everything intentionally, he
being Zach Taylor with the idea of.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh uh, oh, Joe, we have breaking news, and if
you have to get off, if you have to get
off the phone, I understand. Ian Rapaport of NFL Network,
Joe is reporting that the Bengals are trading for Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco, Okay, Joe dan Fun, Joe Danoman. Get ready
(11:30):
for people to be yelling Joe again. Uh, your immediate
reaction Joe Danoman to the Bengals trading for Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
My immediate reaction is Joe Flacco. We talked about the
ramp up time it takes for quarterbacks right to come
in here, learn a system, and then be competitive on
the field. Joe Flacco, to me, accelerates that timeline of
giving them a new option because he's been in the
league so long. It also to me tells me what
(12:04):
the Browns think of Joe Flacco that they would trade
him in division. But certainly you have to credit the
Bengals for right understanding the situation, reading the AFC, seeing
there's still an opportunity to be competitive going forward. So
the fact that they're going out and being proactive and
(12:24):
getting a guy and taking a shot, to me at
least at least tells the fan base they're trying. Yeah,
they're trying something here and not just beating their head
against the wall with Jake Browning playing Baske football.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah. And I was looking earlier this morning because I
was trying to think if they go and get somebody,
would it be somebody who has played Green Bay already
this season, just in the event that he's needed and
he has Joe Flacco Earlier this year in a thirteen
to ten win for the Browns over the Packers, was
twenty one of thirty six for one hundred and forty
(12:59):
two yards, zero touchdowns, one interception. I guess is he
the favorite to start?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Boy? That's the question. That's the question, right, Can they
get this guy ready in a matter of four or
five days to play in Green Bay. I'm not going
to say no. I think certainly the easy answer would be, Okay,
the Bengals have this distretch right of two games and
however many days? What ten eleven days? And then you
(13:30):
get the mini bye week after the Thursday night game
to get Joe Blackob out there. If you're trading for
Joe Flacco, you're trying to maintain a level of competitiveness
in a year where some of the contenders might be
a little bit down. Look, Baltimore's one in four and
plays the Rams this coming Sunday, so they're staring at
possible one and by start in the face the Kansas
(13:50):
City Chiefs, who I thought looked really good last night,
and Patrick Mahomes looks like himself, athletic, fast, young, he
looks like that again, they're two and four, possibly if
they lose against the Lions this coming Sunday. So there
are some contenders that we expect that are down. And
(14:11):
so there's a shot here in the AFC that if
you can get to nine wins, nine wins might be enough.
And once you get past this two game stretch, the
Bengals schedule opens up with some winnable games. There could
be seven or eight wins on the Bengals schedule. So yeah,
that's going to be the question starting tomorrow. Right, is
Joe Flacco going to be ready in tie for the
(14:32):
Bengals to go to Green Bay? I think so. The
fact that he's played enough football, I think the Bengals
could be able to cater an offensive game plan around him.
Look at your Jamar Chase and your T Higgins, and
you've seen what this guy does with weapons down the field.
It's got to be fun. It's different, and to me,
(14:53):
it just shows the fan base and the locker room
that you're willing and trying to do something to keep
this season afloat, because there's still twelve weeks we so
twelve weeks of football, and if nothing else, this shows
people that they're at least trying.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I think back to twenty twenty three, similar situation.
Cleveland has their quarterback go down in November and they
turned to Joe Flacco and he rips off four wins
in the last five six games, very similar to what
Jake Browning did in that same stretch of time for
the Bengals. So I guess if you can't recreate the
(15:27):
magic with Jake Browning from twenty twenty three, you try
it with Joe Flacco. So it is a sixth round
pick going to the Bengals, I guess, according to these
different reports. So all right, that pretty much sums it
up that the answer to all the questions we've been
asking was answered right there while we were on the air. Joe,
(15:50):
it was a pleasure to share the airwaves with you
during that announcement.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Can I say this, though.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Now. Now they're getting thing maybe the NFL's most immobile
quarterback behind an offensive line that I think might be
the root of all the problems problem that is happening
right now with the Bengals offense. Whether it be the
run game, whether it be the quarterback play, whether it's
Joe Burrow's injury. It's an offensive line simply that has
(16:22):
not been good enough from day one at the start
of the year. And now now you're adding Joe Flacco,
who is probably the most immobile quarterback in the NFL
and putting him behind that offensive line. To me, that's
a little bit scary. Uh. But but you use the
word you use the word magic. That the magic he
(16:43):
had in Cleveland and leading them to the playoffs, and
the magical run of all the plays he made down
the field with the Marii Cooper. Uh, you're you're trying
to find something that adds energy, then this will add energy.
The Bengals are back in the conversation now. National League
people are going to be talking about them today. Whether
Joe Flacco can be ready to play on Sunday or not.
(17:03):
Certainly there's going to be energy inside the Bangles locker
room with this team trying to give them something to
go to to recreate something here in the middle part
of the season. But yeah, when you think about it
a little bit, you start thinking about Joe Flacco and
his inability to move being behind an offensive line that
(17:23):
has an inability to protect its quarterback. Because to me,
it's the reason Joe's hurt, and to me, it's the
reason Jake Browning hasn't played well. I think. I think
Jake Browning after that Minnesota game started looking over both
shoulders at all times, wondering where the pressure is coming from,
and it affected his play. So that's certainly something that
goes along with this conversation of bringing in Joe Flacco,
(17:46):
a guy that can certainly throw it, a guy who
can certainly read a defense, but a guy who can't
move very well in the pocket now behind an offensive
line that really can't protect him.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'll leave you with this final question. As a quarterback,
would you rather be unable to throw or unable to move?
Because that feels like what the Bengals are choosing between here.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yes, isn't that great? Certainly I'd rather be other Joe
Flacco side that. If you block here, here's the thing
in the NFL, right, if it's a running back or
a quarterback, if you block it up, it has to
be executed. And that's the one thing Joe Flacco can do.
If you block it up and give him a shot,
he can rip a throw and execute a play. So, uh, yeah,
I think the Bengals are going to try to bank
(18:27):
on that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yep, I'm right there with you. Joe. Thank you so much.
We'll talk to you again next week.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That was fun, Austin, just do it again.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Actually, you know, I'll give you a chance. What do
you got coming up? What do people need to know
about you and your coverage of the Bangles? Joe Flacco
are going to come down and join the live show
this week.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That's right, Yeah. Can you imagine he's got nothing to do,
come on down and yunk it up with a couple
of local TV guys in front of the live studio audience.
Evan mcpheerson tomorrow night. Evan mcpearson is a very, very
fun guest, So we'll have him tomorrow night at Newport
and then Sunday all weekend long. I'll be in Green
Bay with coverage.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Make sure that you ask Evan how sore he was
after being at the bottom of the pile of the
on side kick, because he you know, he didn't get
a lot of contact, and I would imagine about that
he felt a little. That was my favorite play from
Sunday because Evan McPherson was fighting. He didn't care, he
was going after it and I appreciated that. H Joe,
thanks so much to.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Recreate that tomorrow night at Bengals. Now we're gonna have
a live on side kick tutorial from Evan se y'all
love it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Thanks Joe. That is Joey D. Fox nineteen. Joe, Okay,
there it is. The Bengals have traded for a quarterback.
Charlie Goldsmith puts this on his social media. This was
a twenty twenty two quote from Zach Taylor on Joe
Flacco quote. I see a guy who has seen everything.
(19:53):
He plays with confidence, poise, and plays on time. He
can make any throw. Charlie continues. Flacco threw some picks
this year, but he generally operates the offense and is accurate.
The under center play action game is something to work with.
Charlie continues. The Browns also benched him. He wasn't able
to hold on to the starting spot in Indianapolis last
(20:15):
year either. Is this the most aggressive in season trade
in Bengals history? The alternative would have been pretty hard
to sell. That comes from our friend, Charlie Goldsmith. All right,
we'll take a break. I'll get some more information. Actually,
I do believe I have the trade details here in
front of me, all right, So the Bengals are receiving
(20:37):
Joe Flacco and a sixth round pick. That sixth round
pick was originally the sixth round pick of the Detroit Lions.
In exchange, the Bengals are sending a fifth round pick
to Cleveland. So it is Joe Flacco and a sixth
(20:58):
for a fifth from the Bengals. This will be the
seventh NFL team that Joe Joe Flacco has played for.
It will be the third AFC North team for him.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It is the first time that the Bengals have ever
completed a trade with the Cleveland Browns. You may remember
that they tried to trade AJ mccerron to the Browns
several years ago, but the Browns screwed up the paperwork
and it did not go through. So there you have it.
(21:38):
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