May 2, 2025 • 14 mins
Austin chats with Reds reporter Charlie Goldsmith on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All day. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hi, Hello and welcome in our number two of SINCY
three sixty. Here on ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin Elmore
writing solo today, no big tone as load management season
has begun, Tony, we'll be back on Tuesday. But our
show goes on as originally scheduled, and every Friday. We
(00:26):
talked to this guy at one o'clock. He's our friend,
Charlie Goldsmith, Charlie's chalkboard. I saw him writing for like
Baseball America. He's got the Power Stacks podcast. He's all
over the game and he joins us. Now, Hi, Charlie, how.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Are you Austin? I'm good. What's new with you?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Not a whole lot. I just saw this Red's roster
move here, Tyler Stevenson comes up Austin Hayes to the
injured list. What's your immediate reaction to that move?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I lost Austin Hayes's kind of workout yesterday, kind of
anticipating this move. He was probably moving about twenty five
sense and you know the workout where he was quote
unquote testing. It ended up mostly just being a lot
of conversations with the medical staffs. So expected this. I've
been saying kind of leading up to this that I
didn't expect the Reds to carry three catchers when Tyler
(01:13):
Stephenson returned. Well, what's changed is you lose Hayes to
the Ile, you lose Candelario to the IL. Also, I
don't have a timeline yet on Hayes. Ideally it's an
acclaim like situation here turns soon. So the twenty sixth
man wasn't probably going to play regardless. And also their
depths already been tested pretty well, So for now, at
(01:34):
least for the short term, they'll carry three catches.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Stevenson while he was at Triple A didn't really do
much offensively. Is that something that we should be worried
about or is it just Hey, it's a rehab assignment,
you're working on stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, Stephenson has success or doesn't have success, you know,
over these next couple of weeks, it'll have nothing to
do with how he did on the rehab assignment. I
put zero stock into that, especially for hitters. There are
a lot of examples that show that to be the case.
Stemson actually did say, like I want maybe a couple
extrat bats, and he did get a couple extrat bats,
but again, you know, who knows what it'll look like,
(02:09):
but it'll have nothing to do with how the rehab
assignment went.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I was texting with you the other day because, as
it is, when a player is not performing, I try
to figure out whether or not I should be as concerned,
and I always see you as the voice of reason.
I said, how concerned are you about Matt McClain, and
you said, not really at all. Why are you not
concerned about McLean?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, I'm concerned with mccloyan only as much in that
you know his performance in April has maybe cost the
Reds a game or two when you know you look
at it from winds above replacement perspective and how it's
added up, and now maybe you know, if he gets
another key hit here there, the Reds win another game
or two. But I'm seeing hard contact, I'm seeing quality contact.
I'm seeing an opposite field approach. He's just getting beat
(02:54):
some in the strike zones, and that happens, and then
also a couple of fly balls that he's sitting or
just finding myths. But in terms of people who have
confidence and from a consistency of an upside perspective. Mcclin's
going to figure it out. And then, I mean as
solid as Santiago less but all defensively. The gap between
him and McClean defensively in massive. Just look at that
(03:15):
double play them plane mate yesterday. So McLean's not going
anywhere in the lineup. Could he move down? Sure? You know,
I'd probably even keep him there for a little longer,
even if he is struggling, just so you don't have
to shake it back up when McClean starts rolling again,
because I do and I think they do expect that
to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, can you explain that a little bit, because you know,
Tony and I have talked about that a lot, perhaps
moving him around. I think Francona said something to the
extent of what you said about not just continually moving
things around. What is the mindset there about keeping him
number two in the lineup.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, they think he's one of their best hitters,
probably you know, their most consistent hitter. And now obviously
he has been their least consistent hitter so far this season.
But there's just a confidence in that mcclan that outweighs
the confidence and probably any player outside Elie Dela Cruz
on this team save him as a star, they expect
him to get going, and again, if they move him down,
they think we'll probably just end up moving him right
(04:10):
back up. So he is as long as the lease
as anybody. Again, I think the quality of flyball contacts
he's making shows that he'll be five. There's probably some
cat and mouse pitch selection stuff that hopefully not be
definitely have to be better on the fast ball and
be more aggressive early in counts when he gets his pitch.
But you know, I'll talk to Matt Moore too as
well this weekend. That's part of my plan. But I
(04:32):
think a big part of it as well is I mean,
you got miss the whole season, and he's getting his
legs under him. He's getting his timing down and kind
of shaking off that russ and that's what we're seeing
more than anything.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, yesterday his one hundred and twelfth career Big League game.
I think sometimes we forget that he's just now gone
over one hundred thirty two games into this season, two
games over five hundred. What's been the biggest thing you've
learned about this team? Now that we're twenty percent done
with twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well really sticks in my cross Wednesday, like I'll peel
back behind the curtain, and it doesn't mean anything that
I was planning to write a story, but coming out
of the double header, I was playing to write a
story if even if they had won one, it would
have been their best record at the end of April
since two thousand and six, and talk about that as
a sign of the team's growth, the sign of the
(05:21):
team's confidence building. I have sense, truly sincerely a professional composure, mature,
more veteran tight feel for one the way they play
and to the way they carried themselves, and that's a
part and I've heard that as well from the clubhouse,
and that's a reflection of guys growing up, and it's
a reflection of guys getting older. And all they had
(05:43):
to do for me to write that story was when
one game on Wednesday. But it was kind of fitting that.
I mean, that kind of was what last season was.
They'd start playing well, they kind of get going, and
then two games that they should win they lose, and
it's you know, kind of disappointing or concerning or frustrating
from from an internal perspective, and that's what we saw.
You know, they've got to get over that hump. They've
(06:04):
got to get past that. So this team's been about
as good as you'd expect, Like it's close. Can they
break through? Nobody knows the answer to that, but that
is that next step they need to take really sustaining
a run as opposed to just come a good series
and then really drop it off after that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Do you think that mentality can help them when stuff
like this happens, like Austin Hayes goes on the injured
list or McLain struggles for a couple of weeks, it's like, Okay,
we've been here, we know how to do this, we
can get through this. Do you think that those two
things can you know, kind of work together positively?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I mean, that's what happened when one are they three
and seven, they go to San Francisco, Hunter Green carries
them and that then it really does play good week
of base of Like what we have seen that now,
how that week happened was Hunter Green was a superstar
at l Door. Cruz was a superstar for that week,
So like that's kind of the way out. Also though, like, yes,
you know, Gavin Lucks is just a mature, professional, polished piece.
(07:01):
Brady Singer, Pegana and the bullpen, the majority of this
bullpen kind of you can say that about Jose Travino
fits that to a seed. I think Tyler Stevenson really
fits that, and I hope probably have maybe a bit
of rust or you know, getting back into the full
swing of things as he comes back. But when he's back,
that's the kind of hitter he is as well, so
they should be getting passed that, but obviously you've got
(07:23):
to see him do it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Talking with Charlie Goldsmith, Charlie, you wrote on Charlie's Chalkboard
earlier this week about the honesty of Terry Francona and
how that can kind of help guys, especially when they're struggling.
What do you make of the conversations with Jamer Candelario
and Alexis Diaz and kind of where they're at right
now with Francona and with the organization.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, no one likes bad news, but the vibe from
the clubhouse as a whole is they appreciate the honesty
and transparency. Franconi even goes so far as you know,
to the media. He basically said, we've bencheda or Candelaria,
and that's just not something that a lot of managers
do anymore. With Diaz, it was going out of his
way to not name Diez the closer. Even before spring training.
(08:09):
He made Diez earn it. Diaz didn't earn it, be
has opposite of earned it, negatively earned it. And now
he's in Triple A. So like it's stuff like that
that's a part of who he is. He's very reward
based almost in that way, Like what was the best
Francona story? I think you know best nugget is in
spring training he would straight up give one hundred dollars
(08:30):
bills to guys who made smart, winning plays in spring
training games. And now you're not gonna find a guy
one hundred dollars for committing an air, for not holding
a runner, or for not throwing strikes. But but he
finds ways to negatively reward just through his style, through
the decisions he makes guys who aren't playing that brand
of baseball. So and he's very upfront and honest about
what he expects. Guys appreciate that, guys respect that. It's
(08:53):
definitely been a positive vibe with Francona, who is handling
things kind of his own way.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
My favorite part about the series with the Cardinals was
the three innings from Graham Ashcraft. Yesterday. What is his
ceiling with the Reds?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I asked that to Brad Steter yesterday. I said, because
this guy's just be a really good reliever. And I
think that was a part of it too, because like there,
it's like you can roll your eyes with this. There
was value in Graham Ashcraft as a starting pitcher. He
would probably be if you lined them up across baseball,
if you had a fantasy draft where each team had
to draft from scratch a five NN rotation, he'd probably
(09:29):
be a number four start of a lot, maybe a
low end number four starter with upside to be more.
We've seen him be a number two starter caliber guy.
But I mean it's not like he couldn't start. For
what they thought was that he would be much better,
he would be significantly improved, he'd be a much cleaner
fit in the bullpen, and that's exactly what happens. You've
seen the velocity ramp up, You've seen the aggression ramp up,
(09:50):
the strike the you know, the ability and throw strikes
at a high rate, ramp up. He doesn't have to
worry about that third pitch anymore, which it caused him
a lot of headaches. He doesn't have to worry about
kind of the dejection of third time through the order
coming up, it's the fifth inning, I get pulled again.
Nobody likes that feeling, and certainly Graham didn't. So now
he's in much more of a position that shuts him.
(10:12):
They moved him to the bullpen because he thought he
could be more valuable in the bullpen, and it just
looks good Man. I know it's a small sample size,
but he truly just looked like a really good relieverer.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think you'd say that about the bullpen as a whole.
I mean, they gave them some big innings in this
series against the Cardinals. I think overall the ninth ranked
bullpen in Major League Baseball. And that was one of
the question marks coming into the season was what exactly
this bullpen was going to look like and how it
was going to perform. But it's turned into a bit
of a strength for this team.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Now. I love the back end of this bullpen, the
high leverage. You know, Pagan I mean, Pagad's made a
lot of fans just the way he approaches all this.
There's some real zip and stuff behind his pitches. Like
what a year that Pagan's having. I've held over my
Tony Santien stock since twenty twenty one, and now that's
those shares are looking pretty good right now. He's I
(11:03):
think he's the guy that Francona shows the most faith
most deathan based on the situations he put them in.
We talked about Ashcraft then on the other side, you
know the true low leverage innings perspective. Brent Suter, he's
being Brent Suitor. Everybody loves Brent Suter. Now it's the middle,
it's Rogers, Taylor Rodgers, who I think the story of
(11:23):
the year with him is they're putting him in when
the Reds are losing to faith lefties. He's a low leverage,
situational guy. You'd like more value there. It's when he
comes back Sam Maul and Ian Jebo like having quite
found roles. They're sticking Scott Barlow. He is kind of
a bucked Farmer style innings eater in that bullpen. Who
(11:44):
probably that's not that's not bad. I mean like fifth
on the teeven War last year, but he hasn't proven
himself to be a leverage guy yet. I think kind
of the was it the underbelly of that bullpen is
something you just when you start winning, those guys do
end up in more high leverage situation because you're winning
more games. I want to see more from that group
(12:05):
or is least made ready to be that right now?
Zach Maxwell has a bit more room to grow, but
can he come up from Triple A and show the
elite stuff that he has and be that guy right now?
Lion Richardson has the potential and all the tools in
the world to do that as well, and he's even
a bit further along, but they've kind of kept him
stretched out. I'll be interested to see how they manage
(12:26):
him there for a bunch of reasons we will get into.
But what do those kind of prospects made now in
the big leagues? Can one of them give kind of
the red the fourth high leverage arm which they do
truly need.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah. Talking to Charlie Goldsmith Charlie's Chalkboard, also the Power
Stacks podcast with Brian Gegenschlaw. What are you working on?
Are you gonna write a story about Jose Travino's Bengals
catching helmet.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm interested. I mean, he's a good player too. I
haven't even written a full Jose Trevino story yet, No,
I mentioned want to. I want to talk to mcclaim
and kind of see where he's at, see what the
real challenges are.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
All right, fantastic. Will you ever run a marathon in
your life? Or have you?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh? No? Never? Never? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh wow? Okay, all right, fair enough. I certainly agree
with you on that one. His name is Charlie Goldsmith. Charlie,
hopefully we'll cross pass down at the ballpark this weekend.
Good to hear from you. Have a great weekend, man,
Thank you. That is Charlie g Chuck Sizzle. A lot
of good stuff. I'm telling you. The Charlie chalkboard on substack.
(13:34):
We've talked about a lot. I know MO was posted
about it yesterday. He's just the best, he really is,
and a lot of good stuff in there from Charlie.
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(14:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hi, Hello and welcome in our number two of SINCY
three sixty. Here on ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin Elmore
writing solo today, no big tone as load management season
has begun, Tony, we'll be back on Tuesday. But our
show goes on as originally scheduled, and every Friday. We
(00:26):
talked to this guy at one o'clock. He's our friend,
Charlie Goldsmith, Charlie's chalkboard. I saw him writing for like
Baseball America. He's got the Power Stacks podcast. He's all
over the game and he joins us. Now, Hi, Charlie, how.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Are you Austin? I'm good. What's new with you?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Not a whole lot. I just saw this Red's roster
move here, Tyler Stevenson comes up Austin Hayes to the
injured list. What's your immediate reaction to that move?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I lost Austin Hayes's kind of workout yesterday, kind of
anticipating this move. He was probably moving about twenty five
sense and you know the workout where he was quote
unquote testing. It ended up mostly just being a lot
of conversations with the medical staffs. So expected this. I've
been saying kind of leading up to this that I
didn't expect the Reds to carry three catchers when Tyler
(01:13):
Stephenson returned. Well, what's changed is you lose Hayes to
the Ile, you lose Candelario to the IL. Also, I
don't have a timeline yet on Hayes. Ideally it's an
acclaim like situation here turns soon. So the twenty sixth
man wasn't probably going to play regardless. And also their
depths already been tested pretty well, So for now, at
(01:34):
least for the short term, they'll carry three catches.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Stevenson while he was at Triple A didn't really do
much offensively. Is that something that we should be worried
about or is it just Hey, it's a rehab assignment,
you're working on stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, Stephenson has success or doesn't have success, you know,
over these next couple of weeks, it'll have nothing to
do with how he did on the rehab assignment. I
put zero stock into that, especially for hitters. There are
a lot of examples that show that to be the case.
Stemson actually did say, like I want maybe a couple
extrat bats, and he did get a couple extrat bats,
but again, you know, who knows what it'll look like,
(02:09):
but it'll have nothing to do with how the rehab
assignment went.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I was texting with you the other day because, as
it is, when a player is not performing, I try
to figure out whether or not I should be as concerned,
and I always see you as the voice of reason.
I said, how concerned are you about Matt McClain, and
you said, not really at all. Why are you not
concerned about McLean?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, I'm concerned with mccloyan only as much in that
you know his performance in April has maybe cost the
Reds a game or two when you know you look
at it from winds above replacement perspective and how it's
added up, and now maybe you know, if he gets
another key hit here there, the Reds win another game
or two. But I'm seeing hard contact, I'm seeing quality contact.
I'm seeing an opposite field approach. He's just getting beat
(02:54):
some in the strike zones, and that happens, and then
also a couple of fly balls that he's sitting or
just finding myths. But in terms of people who have
confidence and from a consistency of an upside perspective. Mcclin's
going to figure it out. And then, I mean as
solid as Santiago less but all defensively. The gap between
him and McClean defensively in massive. Just look at that
(03:15):
double play them plane mate yesterday. So McLean's not going
anywhere in the lineup. Could he move down? Sure? You know,
I'd probably even keep him there for a little longer,
even if he is struggling, just so you don't have
to shake it back up when McClean starts rolling again,
because I do and I think they do expect that
to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, can you explain that a little bit, because you know,
Tony and I have talked about that a lot, perhaps
moving him around. I think Francona said something to the
extent of what you said about not just continually moving
things around. What is the mindset there about keeping him
number two in the lineup.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, they think he's one of their best hitters,
probably you know, their most consistent hitter. And now obviously
he has been their least consistent hitter so far this season.
But there's just a confidence in that mcclan that outweighs
the confidence and probably any player outside Elie Dela Cruz
on this team save him as a star, they expect
him to get going, and again, if they move him down,
they think we'll probably just end up moving him right
(04:10):
back up. So he is as long as the lease
as anybody. Again, I think the quality of flyball contacts
he's making shows that he'll be five. There's probably some
cat and mouse pitch selection stuff that hopefully not be
definitely have to be better on the fast ball and
be more aggressive early in counts when he gets his pitch.
But you know, I'll talk to Matt Moore too as
well this weekend. That's part of my plan. But I
(04:32):
think a big part of it as well is I mean,
you got miss the whole season, and he's getting his
legs under him. He's getting his timing down and kind
of shaking off that russ and that's what we're seeing
more than anything.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, yesterday his one hundred and twelfth career Big League game.
I think sometimes we forget that he's just now gone
over one hundred thirty two games into this season, two
games over five hundred. What's been the biggest thing you've
learned about this team? Now that we're twenty percent done
with twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well really sticks in my cross Wednesday, like I'll peel
back behind the curtain, and it doesn't mean anything that
I was planning to write a story, but coming out
of the double header, I was playing to write a
story if even if they had won one, it would
have been their best record at the end of April
since two thousand and six, and talk about that as
a sign of the team's growth, the sign of the
(05:21):
team's confidence building. I have sense, truly sincerely a professional composure, mature,
more veteran tight feel for one the way they play
and to the way they carried themselves, and that's a
part and I've heard that as well from the clubhouse,
and that's a reflection of guys growing up, and it's
a reflection of guys getting older. And all they had
(05:43):
to do for me to write that story was when
one game on Wednesday. But it was kind of fitting that.
I mean, that kind of was what last season was.
They'd start playing well, they kind of get going, and
then two games that they should win they lose, and
it's you know, kind of disappointing or concerning or frustrating
from from an internal perspective, and that's what we saw.
You know, they've got to get over that hump. They've
(06:04):
got to get past that. So this team's been about
as good as you'd expect, Like it's close. Can they
break through? Nobody knows the answer to that, but that
is that next step they need to take really sustaining
a run as opposed to just come a good series
and then really drop it off after that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Do you think that mentality can help them when stuff
like this happens, like Austin Hayes goes on the injured
list or McLain struggles for a couple of weeks, it's like, Okay,
we've been here, we know how to do this, we
can get through this. Do you think that those two
things can you know, kind of work together positively?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I mean, that's what happened when one are they three
and seven, they go to San Francisco, Hunter Green carries
them and that then it really does play good week
of base of Like what we have seen that now,
how that week happened was Hunter Green was a superstar
at l Door. Cruz was a superstar for that week,
So like that's kind of the way out. Also though, like, yes,
you know, Gavin Lucks is just a mature, professional, polished piece.
(07:01):
Brady Singer, Pegana and the bullpen, the majority of this
bullpen kind of you can say that about Jose Travino
fits that to a seed. I think Tyler Stevenson really
fits that, and I hope probably have maybe a bit
of rust or you know, getting back into the full
swing of things as he comes back. But when he's back,
that's the kind of hitter he is as well, so
they should be getting passed that, but obviously you've got
(07:23):
to see him do it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Talking with Charlie Goldsmith, Charlie, you wrote on Charlie's Chalkboard
earlier this week about the honesty of Terry Francona and
how that can kind of help guys, especially when they're struggling.
What do you make of the conversations with Jamer Candelario
and Alexis Diaz and kind of where they're at right
now with Francona and with the organization.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, no one likes bad news, but the vibe from
the clubhouse as a whole is they appreciate the honesty
and transparency. Franconi even goes so far as you know,
to the media. He basically said, we've bencheda or Candelaria,
and that's just not something that a lot of managers
do anymore. With Diaz, it was going out of his
way to not name Diez the closer. Even before spring training.
(08:09):
He made Diez earn it. Diaz didn't earn it, be
has opposite of earned it, negatively earned it. And now
he's in Triple A. So like it's stuff like that
that's a part of who he is. He's very reward
based almost in that way, Like what was the best
Francona story? I think you know best nugget is in
spring training he would straight up give one hundred dollars
(08:30):
bills to guys who made smart, winning plays in spring
training games. And now you're not gonna find a guy
one hundred dollars for committing an air, for not holding
a runner, or for not throwing strikes. But but he
finds ways to negatively reward just through his style, through
the decisions he makes guys who aren't playing that brand
of baseball. So and he's very upfront and honest about
what he expects. Guys appreciate that, guys respect that. It's
(08:53):
definitely been a positive vibe with Francona, who is handling
things kind of his own way.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
My favorite part about the series with the Cardinals was
the three innings from Graham Ashcraft. Yesterday. What is his
ceiling with the Reds?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I asked that to Brad Steter yesterday. I said, because
this guy's just be a really good reliever. And I
think that was a part of it too, because like there,
it's like you can roll your eyes with this. There
was value in Graham Ashcraft as a starting pitcher. He
would probably be if you lined them up across baseball,
if you had a fantasy draft where each team had
to draft from scratch a five NN rotation, he'd probably
(09:29):
be a number four start of a lot, maybe a
low end number four starter with upside to be more.
We've seen him be a number two starter caliber guy.
But I mean it's not like he couldn't start. For
what they thought was that he would be much better,
he would be significantly improved, he'd be a much cleaner
fit in the bullpen, and that's exactly what happens. You've
seen the velocity ramp up, You've seen the aggression ramp up,
(09:50):
the strike the you know, the ability and throw strikes
at a high rate, ramp up. He doesn't have to
worry about that third pitch anymore, which it caused him
a lot of headaches. He doesn't have to worry about
kind of the dejection of third time through the order
coming up, it's the fifth inning, I get pulled again.
Nobody likes that feeling, and certainly Graham didn't. So now
he's in much more of a position that shuts him.
(10:12):
They moved him to the bullpen because he thought he
could be more valuable in the bullpen, and it just
looks good Man. I know it's a small sample size,
but he truly just looked like a really good relieverer.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think you'd say that about the bullpen as a whole.
I mean, they gave them some big innings in this
series against the Cardinals. I think overall the ninth ranked
bullpen in Major League Baseball. And that was one of
the question marks coming into the season was what exactly
this bullpen was going to look like and how it
was going to perform. But it's turned into a bit
of a strength for this team.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Now. I love the back end of this bullpen, the
high leverage. You know, Pagan I mean, Pagad's made a
lot of fans just the way he approaches all this.
There's some real zip and stuff behind his pitches. Like
what a year that Pagan's having. I've held over my
Tony Santien stock since twenty twenty one, and now that's
those shares are looking pretty good right now. He's I
(11:03):
think he's the guy that Francona shows the most faith
most deathan based on the situations he put them in.
We talked about Ashcraft then on the other side, you
know the true low leverage innings perspective. Brent Suter, he's
being Brent Suitor. Everybody loves Brent Suter. Now it's the middle,
it's Rogers, Taylor Rodgers, who I think the story of
(11:23):
the year with him is they're putting him in when
the Reds are losing to faith lefties. He's a low leverage,
situational guy. You'd like more value there. It's when he
comes back Sam Maul and Ian Jebo like having quite
found roles. They're sticking Scott Barlow. He is kind of
a bucked Farmer style innings eater in that bullpen. Who
(11:44):
probably that's not that's not bad. I mean like fifth
on the teeven War last year, but he hasn't proven
himself to be a leverage guy yet. I think kind
of the was it the underbelly of that bullpen is
something you just when you start winning, those guys do
end up in more high leverage situation because you're winning
more games. I want to see more from that group
(12:05):
or is least made ready to be that right now?
Zach Maxwell has a bit more room to grow, but
can he come up from Triple A and show the
elite stuff that he has and be that guy right now?
Lion Richardson has the potential and all the tools in
the world to do that as well, and he's even
a bit further along, but they've kind of kept him
stretched out. I'll be interested to see how they manage
(12:26):
him there for a bunch of reasons we will get into.
But what do those kind of prospects made now in
the big leagues? Can one of them give kind of
the red the fourth high leverage arm which they do
truly need.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah. Talking to Charlie Goldsmith Charlie's Chalkboard, also the Power
Stacks podcast with Brian Gegenschlaw. What are you working on?
Are you gonna write a story about Jose Travino's Bengals
catching helmet.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm interested. I mean, he's a good player too. I
haven't even written a full Jose Trevino story yet, No,
I mentioned want to. I want to talk to mcclaim
and kind of see where he's at, see what the
real challenges are.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
All right, fantastic. Will you ever run a marathon in
your life? Or have you?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh? No? Never? Never? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh wow? Okay, all right, fair enough. I certainly agree
with you on that one. His name is Charlie Goldsmith. Charlie,
hopefully we'll cross pass down at the ballpark this weekend.
Good to hear from you. Have a great weekend, man,
Thank you. That is Charlie g Chuck Sizzle. A lot
of good stuff. I'm telling you. The Charlie chalkboard on substack.
(13:34):
We've talked about a lot. I know MO was posted
about it yesterday. He's just the best, he really is,
and a lot of good stuff in there from Charlie.
All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back. When
we do, we'll get to your Friday edition of Talkbacks,
and then coming up a little bit after that, we're
gonna do a talkback winner for a sinchy shirt gift card.
(14:01):
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