July 15, 2025 • 23 mins
Austin talks Home Run Derby, All-Star Game, Reds, Bengals, and more with Joe Danneman from FOX19 on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Cincy Shirts Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two Cincy three sixty
on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore and at this
time every single Tuesday, we talk to our guy Joey
d from Fox nineteen, and Joe joins us. Now, Hi Joe,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'm excellent, Austin. And I know we all have social media.
Some people do Instagram, some people do Twitter, some people
do Facebook. So the place I typically reside is on Twitter,
and I think in my profile, I haven't looked at
it in a minute. I think it says sport Sky
Channel nineteen or something like that. Yeah, I need to
(00:55):
change that to regular contributor on SINCY three six D
because over the weekend I was stopped by multiple people
and they came up to me and said, hey, man,
I love listening to you guys on SINCY three sixty.
No one said a word, but everything I do on
television it was all about this segment right here. So
(01:17):
this is where I now Live in Cincinnati is my
weekly segment on three sixty. I have you to thanks
for that.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, that's that's awesome. I actually just got a text
from Tom Galairter saying something similar that happened to him
over the weekend where people didn't care about what FC
Cincinnati did or anything. They're just like nervous to talk
to him because of since thirty sixty. So that certainly
makes us feel good and we appreciate you making time
for us. Let me start with this big dumper. Your reaction, yeah,
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multiple reactions.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
My first reaction was, didn't that seem kind of a
little bit shady? What happened last night with the whole
inch to side?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Why they put so many decimal point numbers and everything
on there that I don't know about that, Joe.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It was confusing too, because in the bottom line, where
they had the people who advanced the players who advanced
the players who were still on the bubble, they had
rookers name highlighted at going through over cal Rawley, and
I couldn't figure out what was happening. It almost felt
like they made that up on the fly, And certainly
the big story was cal Rawley, this guy who's switched
(02:31):
in and Catcher who was there with his dad and
his brother who leads the Big leagues and home runs.
So you can see the narrative maybe that they were
trying to push this guy through and good on him, right,
you give him an inch, he took a foot, he
went through and he was great the final two rounds,
and I thought it was a lot of fun to
watch him hit. But it did seem kind of interesting
the way it worked out in that I would love
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to see and I'm sure you'll ask me about it,
and you've been talking about it, so I'll just fire
this off here. I would love to see them make
this almost like the four Nations face off, whether it's
the Home Run Derby or the All Star Game, and
starting making it maybe America against the World or America
against the Dominican because the Dominican contingent last night was deep, right.
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It was we saw it. It was Ellie, it was
Tonio Cruz, it was Cavanaro. Fernando Tatis was running around
with those guys as well. So I think that could
add some intrigue to the Home Run Derby. I think
it needs to be simplified. My wife was coming in
and out of the kitchen trying to watch it. My
kids were coming in and out of whatever they were
looking at on their phones, trying to figure out what
was going on in the game or in the home
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run derby. So I think it needs to be simplified
and also maybe make it so there's a competition, like
a team aspect to it, so people can find if
they don't have a particular player to root for, maybe
aside to root for. And I think the idea of
America against the World or America against the Dominican might
be fun.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's a really good idea. I didn't think about that,
but yeah, that could be something that that I know
the players would lean into and maybe get more participation
from a guy like Ellie or someone else. Tatis might
be a little bit more interested. That's a great idea.
How about All Star Week in and of itself? You know,
I know Jacob Mizeroski from the Brewers five career games
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gets selected because there's some injuries that happens, and then
some other guys just chose not to play. Is how
did we get to a point, Nike with baseball and
maybe not as much but with other sports, to where
All Star games don't matter that much anymore, or like
there's less reason to be there.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, and Baseball's always was the one. Yeah, everybody still
cared about comparatively to the to the NBA and to
the NFL. I'm a little bit on the other side
on Jacob Mitsowsky. I understand there are clauses and contracts
and guys who who who get paid for for All
Star Game appear searrances, and I take that stuff seriously,
(05:02):
not messing with a man's money, But at the same time,
as a guy who hasn't seen him pitch other than
some clips on Twitter that pop up on days he
does pitch in a showcase game and a game where
you're trying to showcase what Major League Baseball and its
stars are. I'm looking forward to seeing what this guy's
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all about. I haven't seen him pitch live, so I
think it'd be a lot of fun to see him go.
But at the same time, this is a meritocracy. You
get there based on what you earn, and five stars
doesn't get you there, so I can see the argument
to why a guy like him shouldn't be there, But
there's also I will make sure I stop what I'm
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doing and watch when he pitches, because I haven't seen
him pitch yet, and to see him pitch against some
of the best will be really cool. To answer your question,
how we've gotten to the point where the Major League
Baseball Game All Star Game just doesn't matter as much
as it used to. I think a lot of that,
and this has been talked tout for decades now is
I think interleague play watered it down a little bit.
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It was a lot of fun to see National League
against American League because he never saw these guys play
against each other. So once interleague play showed up, I
think changed that a little bit. But I think it's
just the way we watched the game. The way we
digest the game is different now than we did thirty
forty years ago. I do like the idea of going
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back to the uniforms like you're doing tonight, going back
to the normal uniform so Andrew Abbot will be in
his home white for the Cincinnati Reds. I think that's
a great touch. What baseball does better than anybody is nostalgia,
and I think that's part of that nostalgia. I don't
think you can turn the clock all the way back
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and make this game feel like it did when Pete
Rose is running over Ray Fossey. We're just not like
that as a consumer of baseball anymore. But I think
showcasing the stars and doing the small things that they're
doing tonight with the uniforms, and then even maybe making
the All Star Game not American League against National League,
maybe making it almost feel like a World Baseball Classic
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might be something that's worth discussing as well, that that
might add some intrigue to what the game would look
like tonight. So I say good on Major League Baseball
because they've tried to tinker with the home run derby
to make it relevant, to make it interesting. They've tried
to tinker with the All Star Game with the uniforms
and making it cout that kind of thing. So I
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think it's important to always try to be better and
always try to tinker to make it better. But sometimes
there's only so much you can do, and it's just
a way we watch the game now is different.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
As far as the Reds are concerned, is it fair
to say that the first quote unquote half prior to
the break was a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I don't know you can call it a disappointment it
felt like a disappointment, I think, but the end result
isn't disappointing. I mean, they're there, They're in a position
so if you did like a golf analogy, they're definitely
on the first leader board of a playoff spot and
definitely in the hunt as they head to the final weekend.
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They made the cut. I think it's the best way
to put it right. They made the cut and now
they've got a shot to make a run here on
Saturday and Sunday, to continue that golf analogy. So I
wouldn't say it is a disappointment, but it felt like one,
and I think sometimes that can shape opinion, and I
think sometimes that might might even matter more to how
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the fan base looks out of season is how it
felt as opposed to how it actually is. And certainly,
even being two and a half games back feels like
you're right in it, but you're also in the mix
with what sixteen for three spots, so it's going to
be difficult to try to beat these teams out for
those spots that are left in the National League. But
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just the way the season played out, and certainly the
way the Reds performed in the final week I think
kind of left a bit of bad taste in the
mouths of the fan base because, you know, the argument
we had the first two months of the season, and
the first two months of the season, I think kind
of shaped the opinion of where we look at this
team right now. This team why the fan base liked
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them so much the last two years was because of
the style they played and the moments they made. And
I think that was the personality of this team, and
that didn't show up the first two months of the season.
There were no big moments, and now there have been some.
There have been comebacks against the Padres, there have been
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comebacks against the Rockies, certainly the Chase Burns night against
the New York Yankees, what was a moment Ellie's had
for moments, but those were few and far between the
first half of the season, and if we all watched
Red Baseball to be entertained and to hope this team
can go to the playoffs, it wasn't a very entertaining
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first half and it felt sluggish. That felt like a
team that played to their competition, whether up or down,
and that was a problem with this team. So I
think that the product felt disappointing, but the end result
wasn't and I know that's kind of hard for Red
fans to kind of figure out where this team is
going to be the final sixty five games of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Do you feel like they've put themselves in a position
and that they feel the pressure of having to be
aggressive about making the team better between now and the
trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I think they are going to make the team better,
But are they going to make them better to the
point that satisfies the fan base? And I mean that
by what are they going to address? I think if
you made me put one hundred dollars on what the
Reds are going to do in the next two weeks,
it would likely be adding bullpen arms and seeing that
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that can be a difference maker to a team down
a stretch. And don't get me wrong, bullpens are a
weapon now for teams in a playoffs straction in a
playoff series that matters, and the Reds do need some
help there. But if you go back to our conversations
at spring training and the Reds off season, what this
team needed is still what they're searching for, and that's
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right handed power protection for Ellie de la Cruz and
for TJ. Friedel, and it came to pass on Friday
night when when Austin Hayes struck out four times and
grounded into a double play, that was their answer for
a right handed middle of the order back, and it
just hasn't produced. He's had moments, he's been kind of
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what I expected. I wish he would have been able
to play more in the first half of the season,
but when he's played, he's playing fine. The problem is
the expectation that comes with hitting clean up behind Ellie
de la Cruz heightens the expectation for what he's supposed
to do, and he's not a thirty home run guy.
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Charlie Goldsmith and I have talked about this montple times,
and I like what Charlie said about this. He said
the Reds are going to have to thread the needle
because it's not just trying to acquire major league talent
by trading other major league talent. It's also trying to
require acquire major league talent that fits this team budget.
And everybody wants to say, oh, get a Byron Buxton,
(12:19):
Oh get an au heney O Swarez, And even though
those two contracts might not break the bank on paper,
that's still adding payroll to the team. I believe Suarez
is on a fifteen million dollars deal for this season
and then as an expiring contract that that's still paying
a pretty decent chunk of change for a team that
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traded off Alexis Das to save money. So I think
that's the thing we have to remember at the All
Star break is that or at the trade deadline, is
that if this team is going to acquire talent, it
also has to come with in the back of the
mind that this team hasn't shown the willingness to to
take on more payroll, and that has to be deflating
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to the hopes of what this team might add at
the All Star at the trade deadline. That's why I
think it'll be more than likely bullpen arms and not
necessarily a game changing back to this team at third
base or in the outfield.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, similar to twenty twenty three with the acquisition of
Sam mull Talking with Joe Daneman of Fox nineteen, the
Bengals rookies report in just a few days, it's hard
to believe football is just about here. The Bengals getting
training camp underway on the twenty third. Obviously people are
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talking about Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson. What are you
most looking forward to from the offense when it comes
to training camp?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
What I'm most I would say Chase Brown. What's Chase
Brown's next level? Because I think most of the other
positions with answered questions, I think there's and I'll talk
about Joe Burrow after I talk about Chase Brown, But
I think we it's it's known commodities that at wide
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receiver between Jamar and t Certainly is there is there
a next level for andre Yoshibots Certainly is you know,
another year from Mike GETSICKI what's gonna happen at guard?
But I'll be the first to admit watching offensive line
play at training camp UH isn't necessarily the most entertaining
thing to do or the easiest thing for someone who
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hasn't played football at a high level to evaluate. UH So,
while we look at the interior of the offensive line
is very important, I'm not sure we're gonna have a
great read on that until we get into gameplay. But
as far as Chase Brown and what the Bangals have
done in the running back room, I think It's very interesting.
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You know, Zach Taylor talked in the final six to
eight weeks last year of trying to take some of
the snaps and some of the touches off of Chase
for to keep him fresh for the backstretch of the season.
But they couldn't take him off the field. He was
he was too good. He was producing too well for
this team to take him out. What's the next level
for him? What kind of numbers can he put up?
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And then what kind of roles can you get from
the other guys. The draft kick to samajp Rhymes to
maybe take some of the pressure off Chase Brown. So
I think that's a fun story to watch a training
camp and then as the preseason and regular season starts.
As far as Joe Burrow, and we've rehashed many times
the idea of Joe Burrow and what he's done at
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training camp, how he's never had just a normal, healthy
training camp, whether it's the risk, whether it's the cast,
whether it's the uh, the abdomen. When he had his
refresh my memory, he had his surgery take care the
appendeck to me to get that and then coming back
from the knee injury, and last year it was a
pitch camp right that that Joe Burrow was gonna get
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days off as he came back from his risk. I'm
wondering with Joe, is it going to be full go,
all reps one hundred percent the whole training camp or
are they going to sprinkle in some days off to
keep him fresh considering he's likely going to be playing
in some preseason games. So that's the other storyline on
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offense I'm looking forward to. Is Chase Brown his usage
his next step, and then Joe Burrow's usage in training camp?
Are are they going to give him days off understanding
that you know, his powers are are at a pretty
darn high level at this point and it might not
be necessary to make him go every single day as
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he approaches the regular season given that he's likely going
to play some games in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There was a report from Bud Elliott of twenty four
to seven Sports on the Cover three podcast that Shamar
Stewart has been back in College State fully involved in
workouts with the Texas A and m Aggies and he
believes Schamar could end up back at Texas A and
(17:10):
m uh, what do you make of that? Like what's
your immediate reaction to that.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
My immediate reaction is, that's not going to happen. I've
learned a long time in this business to never speak
in absolutes and drop a guarantee that's not going to happen.
But but that that seems very far fetched. I think nothing,
And you know it. I'll steal a line from Jeremy
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Ralph because because Jeremy's been talking about this, we've been
talking about this on our shows. He says, nothing gets
deals done like deadlines. And I know that the start
of training camp isn't necessarily a hard deadline, but it
steals like a soft deadline for this for this to
get done. I like what you said in your last segment.
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Why are the Bengals doing this now with Shamar Stewart,
Considering what they just got done with Jamar, what they
got done with te understanding the fight, the ram with
Trey Hendrickson, Why add this extra headache to their plate.
Shamar Stewart came out for a reason. He felt he
was ready to play in the NFL. He was a
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first round draft pick. To go back to college would
be a step back for him. I believe this will
get done one way or the other. I don't think
it's longfor getting done. That's just a gut stealing. That's
just reading the history of the Bengals and then getting
their rookies done in amount of time that gives them
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a chance to get into training camp and be competitive
for a position. Shamar Stewart needs to get to get
on the field that there isn't much separating him right
now from the pack of defensive ends that are fighting
for playing time. And we know the names the Biles, Murphy's, Joseph,
both sides, even cam Sample. Uh. These guys are all
want Shamar Stewart's apps. They want his job.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
So he needs to get out there and play football
and and earn himself time in week one. Uh and
and earn himself as the number two behind Trey Hendrickson. Uh.
Could it be done? Uh? I think it could be done.
I don't. I don't believe it's ever been done before.
But in this age of n I l a guy
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who hasn't signed an NFL contract, you know, this would
that this could be litigated, This could be fought, and
I think if he wanted to, he could probably go
back to college and make that happen. I just I
don't like the look it would be for Shamar Stewart.
I think he left college for a reason to start
his professional career, and I think in two weeks or
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whenever it is, he'll be signed in competing in training camp.
And that's just a gut feeling. But I all that
report and it made me think for a minute. But
also at the same time, the knee jerk reaction is
I don't think that'll happen.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I know that you are a big time sportscaster with
a lot of pelts on the wall and trophy cases
full of awards, But what's it like to be sitting
back watching a Netflix documentary and hear your own voice
talk about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, first of all, the media does this. We just
like to give each other award so we sound important.
And then when you get to be doing this for
like twenty five years, they start giving you lifetime awards
just because you've been around a long time and you're
stubvering enough not to leave this crazy business. I knew
it was coming because the folks the producers sent me
an email asking if they could use that clip, and
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the funny thing is it popped up and I don't
even remember saying what was used on the show. I
know I said it at some point they grabbed it
from somewhere, but I don't exactly even remember saying that.
The funny thing is it might have been written for
me by one of our promo guys at the station.
So it's not even like my original writing or my
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original spot. I'm just I'm just ripping off something that
somebody else wrote for me. In that situation, it was
fun because because I had some guys, and you know,
a lot of I went to school at Syracuse, and
a lot of my friends either live in the Northeast
or certainly don't live in the Midwest, so they don't
see a lot of my work. So whenever something like
that happens, I get all my college friends start texting me,
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which is great. That's aweso because it rekindles the old Syracuse,
the old dorm room group chat here. And so when
when that popped up, a bunch of my college friends
started laughing at me, which which made my night. So
that was fun. It was cool.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Joe, what do you guys have tonight? I know, obviously
the All Star Game coming up. What do you guys
have coming up? As we inch closer to training camp
and the All Star breaking on, just tell people what
you got going on.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, we're cooking, man, this is this is important. We
just had a big meeting. Boy. Our August is going
to be absolutely booked with a lot of work. So
the All Star Game tonight is on Fox YEP, watch
it there. Tomorrow is a big night of Messy. Messi's
in Cincinnati. Tomorrow will be at Quel Stadium for Messi's
second ever game there. And then we just finalize our
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training camp specials on Thursday July twenty fourth and Thursday
July thirty first, from two to three o'clock, one hour
live from Bengals Training Camp, Fox nineteen special that will
also re air each night at eleven thirty after our
late show. So the twenty fourth, thirty first Tuesday after
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our Thursday afternoons two to three live Training Camp special
on Fox nineteen.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Joe, appreciate the time, Best of luck. I'll talk to
you again next week. Tony's not going to be here
next week either, so it'll be just just you and
me again. I look forward to it. Thanks Joe.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
All Right, I've been doing my back exercise. We can
carry it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Let's go, Yes, we can. Joe Daniman five nineteen. Yeah,
a lot of stuff going on, a lot of stuff
going on, the Shemar Stewart thing. We'll get into that
a little bit an hour number three. Surely, surely he's
not going to go back to college, is he? Oh boy?
All right, let's do talkbacks when we come back. This
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Speaker 3 (23:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two Cincy three sixty
on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore and at this
time every single Tuesday, we talk to our guy Joey
d from Fox nineteen, and Joe joins us. Now, Hi Joe,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'm excellent, Austin. And I know we all have social media.
Some people do Instagram, some people do Twitter, some people
do Facebook. So the place I typically reside is on Twitter,
and I think in my profile, I haven't looked at
it in a minute. I think it says sport Sky
Channel nineteen or something like that. Yeah, I need to
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change that to regular contributor on SINCY three six D
because over the weekend I was stopped by multiple people
and they came up to me and said, hey, man,
I love listening to you guys on SINCY three sixty.
No one said a word, but everything I do on
television it was all about this segment right here. So
(01:17):
this is where I now Live in Cincinnati is my
weekly segment on three sixty. I have you to thanks
for that.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, that's that's awesome. I actually just got a text
from Tom Galairter saying something similar that happened to him
over the weekend where people didn't care about what FC
Cincinnati did or anything. They're just like nervous to talk
to him because of since thirty sixty. So that certainly
makes us feel good and we appreciate you making time
for us. Let me start with this big dumper. Your reaction, yeah,
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multiple reactions.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
My first reaction was, didn't that seem kind of a
little bit shady? What happened last night with the whole
inch to side?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Why they put so many decimal point numbers and everything
on there that I don't know about that, Joe.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It was confusing too, because in the bottom line, where
they had the people who advanced the players who advanced
the players who were still on the bubble, they had
rookers name highlighted at going through over cal Rawley, and
I couldn't figure out what was happening. It almost felt
like they made that up on the fly, And certainly
the big story was cal Rawley, this guy who's switched
(02:31):
in and Catcher who was there with his dad and
his brother who leads the Big leagues and home runs.
So you can see the narrative maybe that they were
trying to push this guy through and good on him, right,
you give him an inch, he took a foot, he
went through and he was great the final two rounds,
and I thought it was a lot of fun to
watch him hit. But it did seem kind of interesting
the way it worked out in that I would love
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to see and I'm sure you'll ask me about it,
and you've been talking about it, so I'll just fire
this off here. I would love to see them make
this almost like the four Nations face off, whether it's
the Home Run Derby or the All Star Game, and
starting making it maybe America against the World or America
against the Dominican because the Dominican contingent last night was deep, right.
(03:17):
It was we saw it. It was Ellie, it was
Tonio Cruz, it was Cavanaro. Fernando Tatis was running around
with those guys as well. So I think that could
add some intrigue to the Home Run Derby. I think
it needs to be simplified. My wife was coming in
and out of the kitchen trying to watch it. My
kids were coming in and out of whatever they were
looking at on their phones, trying to figure out what
was going on in the game or in the home
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run derby. So I think it needs to be simplified
and also maybe make it so there's a competition, like
a team aspect to it, so people can find if
they don't have a particular player to root for, maybe
aside to root for. And I think the idea of
America against the World or America against the Dominican might
be fun.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's a really good idea. I didn't think about that,
but yeah, that could be something that that I know
the players would lean into and maybe get more participation
from a guy like Ellie or someone else. Tatis might
be a little bit more interested. That's a great idea.
How about All Star Week in and of itself? You know,
I know Jacob Mizeroski from the Brewers five career games
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gets selected because there's some injuries that happens, and then
some other guys just chose not to play. Is how
did we get to a point, Nike with baseball and
maybe not as much but with other sports, to where
All Star games don't matter that much anymore, or like
there's less reason to be there.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, and Baseball's always was the one. Yeah, everybody still
cared about comparatively to the to the NBA and to
the NFL. I'm a little bit on the other side
on Jacob Mitsowsky. I understand there are clauses and contracts
and guys who who who get paid for for All
Star Game appear searrances, and I take that stuff seriously,
(05:02):
not messing with a man's money, But at the same time,
as a guy who hasn't seen him pitch other than
some clips on Twitter that pop up on days he
does pitch in a showcase game and a game where
you're trying to showcase what Major League Baseball and its
stars are. I'm looking forward to seeing what this guy's
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all about. I haven't seen him pitch live, so I
think it'd be a lot of fun to see him go.
But at the same time, this is a meritocracy. You
get there based on what you earn, and five stars
doesn't get you there, so I can see the argument
to why a guy like him shouldn't be there, But
there's also I will make sure I stop what I'm
(05:43):
doing and watch when he pitches, because I haven't seen
him pitch yet, and to see him pitch against some
of the best will be really cool. To answer your question,
how we've gotten to the point where the Major League
Baseball Game All Star Game just doesn't matter as much
as it used to. I think a lot of that,
and this has been talked tout for decades now is
I think interleague play watered it down a little bit.
(06:05):
It was a lot of fun to see National League
against American League because he never saw these guys play
against each other. So once interleague play showed up, I
think changed that a little bit. But I think it's
just the way we watched the game. The way we
digest the game is different now than we did thirty
forty years ago. I do like the idea of going
(06:25):
back to the uniforms like you're doing tonight, going back
to the normal uniform so Andrew Abbot will be in
his home white for the Cincinnati Reds. I think that's
a great touch. What baseball does better than anybody is nostalgia,
and I think that's part of that nostalgia. I don't
think you can turn the clock all the way back
(06:45):
and make this game feel like it did when Pete
Rose is running over Ray Fossey. We're just not like
that as a consumer of baseball anymore. But I think
showcasing the stars and doing the small things that they're
doing tonight with the uniforms, and then even maybe making
the All Star Game not American League against National League,
maybe making it almost feel like a World Baseball Classic
(07:08):
might be something that's worth discussing as well, that that
might add some intrigue to what the game would look
like tonight. So I say good on Major League Baseball
because they've tried to tinker with the home run derby
to make it relevant, to make it interesting. They've tried
to tinker with the All Star Game with the uniforms
and making it cout that kind of thing. So I
(07:29):
think it's important to always try to be better and
always try to tinker to make it better. But sometimes
there's only so much you can do, and it's just
a way we watch the game now is different.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
As far as the Reds are concerned, is it fair
to say that the first quote unquote half prior to
the break was a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I don't know you can call it a disappointment it
felt like a disappointment, I think, but the end result
isn't disappointing. I mean, they're there, They're in a position
so if you did like a golf analogy, they're definitely
on the first leader board of a playoff spot and
definitely in the hunt as they head to the final weekend.
(08:10):
They made the cut. I think it's the best way
to put it right. They made the cut and now
they've got a shot to make a run here on
Saturday and Sunday, to continue that golf analogy. So I
wouldn't say it is a disappointment, but it felt like one,
and I think sometimes that can shape opinion, and I
think sometimes that might might even matter more to how
(08:31):
the fan base looks out of season is how it
felt as opposed to how it actually is. And certainly,
even being two and a half games back feels like
you're right in it, but you're also in the mix
with what sixteen for three spots, so it's going to
be difficult to try to beat these teams out for
those spots that are left in the National League. But
(08:52):
just the way the season played out, and certainly the
way the Reds performed in the final week I think
kind of left a bit of bad taste in the
mouths of the fan base because, you know, the argument
we had the first two months of the season, and
the first two months of the season, I think kind
of shaped the opinion of where we look at this
team right now. This team why the fan base liked
(09:16):
them so much the last two years was because of
the style they played and the moments they made. And
I think that was the personality of this team, and
that didn't show up the first two months of the season.
There were no big moments, and now there have been some.
There have been comebacks against the Padres, there have been
(09:36):
comebacks against the Rockies, certainly the Chase Burns night against
the New York Yankees, what was a moment Ellie's had
for moments, but those were few and far between the
first half of the season, and if we all watched
Red Baseball to be entertained and to hope this team
can go to the playoffs, it wasn't a very entertaining
(09:58):
first half and it felt sluggish. That felt like a
team that played to their competition, whether up or down,
and that was a problem with this team. So I
think that the product felt disappointing, but the end result
wasn't and I know that's kind of hard for Red
fans to kind of figure out where this team is
going to be the final sixty five games of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Do you feel like they've put themselves in a position
and that they feel the pressure of having to be
aggressive about making the team better between now and the
trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I think they are going to make the team better,
But are they going to make them better to the
point that satisfies the fan base? And I mean that
by what are they going to address? I think if
you made me put one hundred dollars on what the
Reds are going to do in the next two weeks,
it would likely be adding bullpen arms and seeing that
(10:54):
that can be a difference maker to a team down
a stretch. And don't get me wrong, bullpens are a
weapon now for teams in a playoffs straction in a
playoff series that matters, and the Reds do need some
help there. But if you go back to our conversations
at spring training and the Reds off season, what this
team needed is still what they're searching for, and that's
(11:15):
right handed power protection for Ellie de la Cruz and
for TJ. Friedel, and it came to pass on Friday
night when when Austin Hayes struck out four times and
grounded into a double play, that was their answer for
a right handed middle of the order back, and it
just hasn't produced. He's had moments, he's been kind of
(11:36):
what I expected. I wish he would have been able
to play more in the first half of the season,
but when he's played, he's playing fine. The problem is
the expectation that comes with hitting clean up behind Ellie
de la Cruz heightens the expectation for what he's supposed
to do, and he's not a thirty home run guy.
(11:57):
Charlie Goldsmith and I have talked about this montple times,
and I like what Charlie said about this. He said
the Reds are going to have to thread the needle
because it's not just trying to acquire major league talent
by trading other major league talent. It's also trying to
require acquire major league talent that fits this team budget.
And everybody wants to say, oh, get a Byron Buxton,
(12:19):
Oh get an au heney O Swarez, And even though
those two contracts might not break the bank on paper,
that's still adding payroll to the team. I believe Suarez
is on a fifteen million dollars deal for this season
and then as an expiring contract that that's still paying
a pretty decent chunk of change for a team that
(12:40):
traded off Alexis Das to save money. So I think
that's the thing we have to remember at the All
Star break is that or at the trade deadline, is
that if this team is going to acquire talent, it
also has to come with in the back of the
mind that this team hasn't shown the willingness to to
take on more payroll, and that has to be deflating
(13:03):
to the hopes of what this team might add at
the All Star at the trade deadline. That's why I
think it'll be more than likely bullpen arms and not
necessarily a game changing back to this team at third
base or in the outfield.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, similar to twenty twenty three with the acquisition of
Sam mull Talking with Joe Daneman of Fox nineteen, the
Bengals rookies report in just a few days, it's hard
to believe football is just about here. The Bengals getting
training camp underway on the twenty third. Obviously people are
(13:38):
talking about Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson. What are you
most looking forward to from the offense when it comes
to training camp?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
What I'm most I would say Chase Brown. What's Chase
Brown's next level? Because I think most of the other
positions with answered questions, I think there's and I'll talk
about Joe Burrow after I talk about Chase Brown, But
I think we it's it's known commodities that at wide
(14:11):
receiver between Jamar and t Certainly is there is there
a next level for andre Yoshibots Certainly is you know,
another year from Mike GETSICKI what's gonna happen at guard?
But I'll be the first to admit watching offensive line
play at training camp UH isn't necessarily the most entertaining
thing to do or the easiest thing for someone who
(14:31):
hasn't played football at a high level to evaluate. UH So,
while we look at the interior of the offensive line
is very important, I'm not sure we're gonna have a
great read on that until we get into gameplay. But
as far as Chase Brown and what the Bangals have
done in the running back room, I think It's very interesting.
(14:52):
You know, Zach Taylor talked in the final six to
eight weeks last year of trying to take some of
the snaps and some of the touches off of Chase
for to keep him fresh for the backstretch of the season.
But they couldn't take him off the field. He was
he was too good. He was producing too well for
this team to take him out. What's the next level
for him? What kind of numbers can he put up?
(15:15):
And then what kind of roles can you get from
the other guys. The draft kick to samajp Rhymes to
maybe take some of the pressure off Chase Brown. So
I think that's a fun story to watch a training
camp and then as the preseason and regular season starts.
As far as Joe Burrow, and we've rehashed many times
the idea of Joe Burrow and what he's done at
(15:37):
training camp, how he's never had just a normal, healthy
training camp, whether it's the risk, whether it's the cast,
whether it's the uh, the abdomen. When he had his
refresh my memory, he had his surgery take care the
appendeck to me to get that and then coming back
from the knee injury, and last year it was a
pitch camp right that that Joe Burrow was gonna get
(15:59):
days off as he came back from his risk. I'm
wondering with Joe, is it going to be full go,
all reps one hundred percent the whole training camp or
are they going to sprinkle in some days off to
keep him fresh considering he's likely going to be playing
in some preseason games. So that's the other storyline on
(16:20):
offense I'm looking forward to. Is Chase Brown his usage
his next step, and then Joe Burrow's usage in training camp?
Are are they going to give him days off understanding
that you know, his powers are are at a pretty
darn high level at this point and it might not
be necessary to make him go every single day as
(16:43):
he approaches the regular season given that he's likely going
to play some games in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There was a report from Bud Elliott of twenty four
to seven Sports on the Cover three podcast that Shamar
Stewart has been back in College State fully involved in
workouts with the Texas A and m Aggies and he
believes Schamar could end up back at Texas A and
(17:10):
m uh, what do you make of that? Like what's
your immediate reaction to that.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
My immediate reaction is, that's not going to happen. I've
learned a long time in this business to never speak
in absolutes and drop a guarantee that's not going to happen.
But but that that seems very far fetched. I think nothing,
And you know it. I'll steal a line from Jeremy
(17:40):
Ralph because because Jeremy's been talking about this, we've been
talking about this on our shows. He says, nothing gets
deals done like deadlines. And I know that the start
of training camp isn't necessarily a hard deadline, but it
steals like a soft deadline for this for this to
get done. I like what you said in your last segment.
(18:02):
Why are the Bengals doing this now with Shamar Stewart,
Considering what they just got done with Jamar, what they
got done with te understanding the fight, the ram with
Trey Hendrickson, Why add this extra headache to their plate.
Shamar Stewart came out for a reason. He felt he
was ready to play in the NFL. He was a
(18:23):
first round draft pick. To go back to college would
be a step back for him. I believe this will
get done one way or the other. I don't think
it's longfor getting done. That's just a gut stealing. That's
just reading the history of the Bengals and then getting
their rookies done in amount of time that gives them
(18:45):
a chance to get into training camp and be competitive
for a position. Shamar Stewart needs to get to get
on the field that there isn't much separating him right
now from the pack of defensive ends that are fighting
for playing time. And we know the names the Biles, Murphy's, Joseph,
both sides, even cam Sample. Uh. These guys are all
want Shamar Stewart's apps. They want his job.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
So he needs to get out there and play football
and and earn himself time in week one. Uh and
and earn himself as the number two behind Trey Hendrickson. Uh.
Could it be done? Uh? I think it could be done.
I don't. I don't believe it's ever been done before.
But in this age of n I l a guy
(19:29):
who hasn't signed an NFL contract, you know, this would
that this could be litigated, This could be fought, and
I think if he wanted to, he could probably go
back to college and make that happen. I just I
don't like the look it would be for Shamar Stewart.
I think he left college for a reason to start
his professional career, and I think in two weeks or
(19:52):
whenever it is, he'll be signed in competing in training camp.
And that's just a gut feeling. But I all that
report and it made me think for a minute. But
also at the same time, the knee jerk reaction is
I don't think that'll happen.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I know that you are a big time sportscaster with
a lot of pelts on the wall and trophy cases
full of awards, But what's it like to be sitting
back watching a Netflix documentary and hear your own voice
talk about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, first of all, the media does this. We just
like to give each other award so we sound important.
And then when you get to be doing this for
like twenty five years, they start giving you lifetime awards
just because you've been around a long time and you're
stubvering enough not to leave this crazy business. I knew
it was coming because the folks the producers sent me
an email asking if they could use that clip, and
(20:44):
the funny thing is it popped up and I don't
even remember saying what was used on the show. I
know I said it at some point they grabbed it
from somewhere, but I don't exactly even remember saying that.
The funny thing is it might have been written for
me by one of our promo guys at the station.
So it's not even like my original writing or my
(21:04):
original spot. I'm just I'm just ripping off something that
somebody else wrote for me. In that situation, it was
fun because because I had some guys, and you know,
a lot of I went to school at Syracuse, and
a lot of my friends either live in the Northeast
or certainly don't live in the Midwest, so they don't
see a lot of my work. So whenever something like
that happens, I get all my college friends start texting me,
(21:26):
which is great. That's aweso because it rekindles the old Syracuse,
the old dorm room group chat here. And so when
when that popped up, a bunch of my college friends
started laughing at me, which which made my night. So
that was fun. It was cool.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Joe, what do you guys have tonight? I know, obviously
the All Star Game coming up. What do you guys
have coming up? As we inch closer to training camp
and the All Star breaking on, just tell people what
you got going on.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, we're cooking, man, this is this is important. We
just had a big meeting. Boy. Our August is going
to be absolutely booked with a lot of work. So
the All Star Game tonight is on Fox YEP, watch
it there. Tomorrow is a big night of Messy. Messi's
in Cincinnati. Tomorrow will be at Quel Stadium for Messi's
second ever game there. And then we just finalize our
(22:14):
training camp specials on Thursday July twenty fourth and Thursday
July thirty first, from two to three o'clock, one hour
live from Bengals Training Camp, Fox nineteen special that will
also re air each night at eleven thirty after our
late show. So the twenty fourth, thirty first Tuesday after
(22:38):
our Thursday afternoons two to three live Training Camp special
on Fox nineteen.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Joe, appreciate the time, Best of luck. I'll talk to
you again next week. Tony's not going to be here
next week either, so it'll be just just you and
me again. I look forward to it. Thanks Joe.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
All Right, I've been doing my back exercise. We can
carry it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Let's go, Yes, we can. Joe Daniman five nineteen. Yeah,
a lot of stuff going on, a lot of stuff
going on, the Shemar Stewart thing. We'll get into that
a little bit an hour number three. Surely, surely he's
not going to go back to college, is he? Oh boy?
All right, let's do talkbacks when we come back. This
(23:17):
is centy three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
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