July 18, 2025 • 17 mins
It's Friday so that means Charlie Goldsmith stops by in Hour 2! He and Austin discuss The All-Star week and the upcoming 2nd half for the Redlegs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, indeed it is Hi, Hello, and welcome in to
our number three of Cincy three sixty here on ESPN
fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Elmore. We have this
conversation every Friday at this time, and I'm definitely looking
forward to it this week, like especially looking forward to
it this week because of all the great stuff that
(00:41):
came from Charlie's time down in Atlanta, covering the All
Star Game and the Reds and their impact and all
the different angles that you could find at the All
Star Game. It seemed to be a pretty fun experience.
And Charlie joins us, now, Charlie, are you recovered from Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I am, I am. I am in New York now
and it feels equally as hot. But no, it was
a great trip. It's been a great week. These are
the kind of fun stories that you you get into
this to.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Tell in the first place, what did you learn, Like,
what was something that maybe took you by surprise because
you go in there with a plan of the different
things you want to talk about in what you want
to cover, but seemingly there's always a left turn somewhere.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Where was the left turn? And what did you learn?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's funny because like I made my plan for the
stories I want to do and what questions and then
asked what people. I wrote that in my big green notebook,
which if you've been in a clubhouse or a locker
room with me and you're listening, you know what I'm
talking about. And I wrote at the top of it,
stick to the syllabus or stick to to the plan basically,
So I because there's so much, because that's the thing.
(01:43):
It's kind of like a super bowl in that way,
so you have to come in very finely pointed of
where you kind of want your flashlight to point because again,
there's everything now. But one thing that really caught me
by surprise, the story I was surprised by but wasn't
necessarily expecting, was just how active and vocal and energetic
and enthusiastic Ellie was during the home run derby. He
(02:06):
was on two teams. He was the ultimate hype man.
That was the one story that kind of made it
onto my radar that I wasn't again preparing for expecting,
and that was probably Like that's probably the thing I'll
remember from this All Star week from a Red perspective,
how much Ellie was having fun.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And it looked like, you know, overall, just everybody was
having a lot of fun. But how cool of an
experience was that for Andrew Abbott and for his family
and for him to pitch and perform the way he
did in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
He was a guy I had a lot of fun
watching as well. He was I mean, what's the best word,
like a social magnet or whatever you want to say.
He was talking to pictures. There you go. He was
talking to pictures, he was talking to position players, he
was just chatting everyone up and you know, habit. He
has this relaxed, easygoing nature about him, and I think
that's someone that that's something that a lot of different
(02:59):
kinds of friend picked up on. Like he was spending
time with Paul Schemes, with Kyla Schwarber, with Ellie and
some of the guys Ellie knew really well, and then
he pitched really well. Like I said this Andrew after
the game, it was just a very Andrew Abbott performance
to announce to the national world this is what Andrew
Abbitt looks like, and that's what it felt like as well.
So he definitely he definitely got a lot out of it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Now, this is a little bit of inside baseball here,
but I've been told in the past that the food
options in the press box in Atlanta are not great?
Did they right that wrong at the All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So we I'm never gonna complain, right, that's a stance
like I never complained about media food. I never complained
about access. They didn't feed us and they gave us
twenty dollars concessions vouchers. There were a lot of haggling,
moving pieces going on behind the scenes that that that
made it interesting and kept us on our toes, that's
(03:58):
for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, it was just a ran of thought that I had.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right there as we go out of the All Star
Game and into the second half. Before we do that though,
the swing off? What did you think of the swing off?
I was highly entertained by that.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Man. It was fun. It was really really fun. Like
I think I tweeted this in a moment too, like
what we saw was one of the game's best power hitters.
Put the team on his back and do something nasical
to end it. Isn't that what we all wanted to
see anyway? Now, I don't want this to be a
regular thing at all whatsoever during the regular season, but
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every team has one or two games a year that
gets into extra innings where you can tell if you
follow We've team closely and kind of read the manager,
you can tell that the manager kind of would rather
just get out of the game than you know, even
that would be a wish priority, even over winning name.
But you can't lose the game unknobly in a not
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noble way. You can't just put a position player out there,
because that's the So it so like my idea, like
I tied into my other big pet peeve, which is
I hate when managers have to put pitchers in such
a bad spot that then multiple guys lose their jobs,
you know, lose the big league jobs. So what if
it's after the tenth inning both teams have used at
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least seven or eight relievers to your bullpens basically fried,
then you have the option to do a swing off
Homer and Derby to end it. I think that like
six two issues, it would still be very rare. You
could talk me out of that as well, but but
that was my idea.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Loosely related, do you think there should be a run
role in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, because a part and I know there's nothing noble
about pitching a position player, but just truly quitting, it's
just like, I mean, I don't know if you've seen
Friday Night, Like, you know, the coach gets the job
at the new school, which is rebuilding in the first
game so bad they have to quit, and then the
players are mad because the coach quit, and then the
coach has to apologize the team and they burn their
(06:02):
old jerseys to signify that whatever just happened was dead.
But like that's like you don't want to lose in
an ignoble way, Like that's real. So you know, Homer
and swing off late next g in this is a
noble way to win or lose without burning pitchers. But
but no, I don't want to see a regal.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The Reds have decided to uh start the second half
with Nicolodolo, Nick Martinez and Andrew Abbott. If I'm not mistaken,
what goes into the decision to how they want to
position the starting rotation as they start this stretch of
the season.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, what I was told was this specifically was Mets
have a number of good lefties, and the Reds wanted
to line up their lefties, so obviously Lidolo and Abbot.
And then part two of that was they wanted to
give Chase Burns as long of a rest as possible.
They used to be saying that, and again, Chase Burns
is gonna have a very nice rookie season down the
stretch here, I think, But you're in the the inning
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management portion of this. Add in an extra off day here,
keep them on a short pitch count there. So once
you knew you had Burns in Game five and you
wanted to have Lodolo an Abbot and two of the
first three, the rest just sorted itself out.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
When it comes to the trade deadline at the end
of this this month, do you think that the Reds
view it as like there's a certain number of games
out we have to be, or a number of games
over five hundred we have to be, Like what determines
their aggression do you think over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I think it'll be the deals, Like, for example, the
Reds could go and I'm just being exaggerating here, the
Reds to the Ohn whatever between now and the deadline.
But then this year's version of Scott Roland is available
with multiple years of team control, Well then yeah, they'd
still be just as aggressive to get this Scott Roland
type if it felt like you could help them in
twenty six or you know, they went eleven straight, but
(07:54):
you know they won't say Aheno Suarez, But the Yankees
and the Cubs just output them for Suarez because they
have even more desperate needs at third base. This is
a lot I'm going to repeat with the Suirez thing,
and I think it's a good line, Like, sure, Swarz
would be a great fifth of the Reds. The Yankees
might be about to be calling up jam or Candelario
to be their third baseman. Like a lot of teams
(08:15):
have a lot of problems, and a lot of teams
canon will be more aggressive than the Reds. So like
my line on Nick Krawl has always been like he's
done some good work around the margins, but and kind
of in the mid range too, like Martinez, Hey, stuff
like that, Gavin Lux At the end of the day,
what I kind of want to see is. And I
know Benson hasn't been a smashing success, but more will
(08:36):
Benson trades. The Reds went out, they found a guy,
They pointed to that guy, and they said, we like him,
what can we do to get him? And they traded
prospects to get him. They could have traded off their offer.
Any type of move like that, where they see a guy,
they say I like that, I would like that, and
they just go get it. It's those types of moves
(08:56):
that really stand out to me, and those are the
types of moves that I'm trying to look for right now.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
The number one thing that has to happen in the
second half if the Reds want to make the playoffs
is what.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You know. The obvious one is the right handed bats
and the number two hitter and the number four hitter
and all that kind of stuff. What was really kind
of sticking in my crawl from the stretch of uninspired
baseball that the Reds played from a results standpoint in Boston.
You can talk about the Philly series was fine from
a play standpoint, but they still lost that and then
coming back home against the Marlins was their starters just
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weren't pitching deep enough in the games their starters weren't
leading them to wins. Now, certain pitching is the strength
of the team, but like the passing game is the
strength of the Bengals. And if Joe Burrow is just
playing okay, solid, you know, it's it's not gonna cut it.
So the rotation has been solid. But I think what
is most realistic and most attainable was that the rotation
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as a whole levels up. And if that happens, that
takes a lot off your bullpen, that takes a lot
of pressure off the wa lineup. That just helps everyone
take a deep breast even going into a game, Like
what if they're like, all right, you know, like man
Nick Martinez his own like he was in September of
last season, pitching at a number two starter level, like yeah,
we're gonna win this game, like for Martinez, for Singer,
(10:15):
for Burns to an extent, for Lodolo, who I'm buying
stock in continuing to elevate and then kind of meet
Andrew Rabbit at that level, That to me is the
clearest path.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Talking with Charlie Goldsmith Charlie's Chalkboard and of course on
Fox nineteen as well, and the power Stacks Podcast with
Brian Gezenschlaw. We've seen in the in recent games kind
of Noel VI Marte will start and then late in
the game Santiago Espinal will replace him. Defensively, how do
you balance developing Marte as a young player but also
(10:50):
prioritizing winning.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Now, I would say this has been like I've learned
a lot about Terry Francona through like this last week
managing Marte because is I mean clearly pulling him for defense.
It's a winning the day oriented move. Now they're still
playing the long game in terms of they're still playing Marte.
(11:13):
They're obviously the back and help them. They've had developmental
oriented decisions with like how they've managed you know, like
case Berns for example. I could probably think of some
others if he gave me a bit more time. But
they've made development oriented moves. But once you get in
it kind of the band aid's off. And maybe even
one kind of on a similar ideas Marte was the
(11:34):
way that you know, they've just kind of thrown Blin
Richardson into the deep end and high leverage spots and
they're picking them every other day and they're like, all right,
you know, go get them, go get them kids, And
that's a move they're making because he gives them their
best shot to win the game, not necessarily easing a
young guy into high leverage opportunity. So it is a
(11:55):
theme of winning the day. Francona backs that up. But
by far the best version of this Red team has
Nolova Markett playing nine innings. I don't understand how you
have enough confidence for him to play six but not nine,
Like he can't throw. Just put him in triple A
so he can figure out the throwing. But that's that's
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another huge storyline they have to figure out this week
because if they don't trust Allova Martie to play seven,
then does that number get to four? And all of
a sudden are you needing a third basement for sure
at the deadline. So that's a big storyline for the
next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Is it fair to say that outside of Elie de
la Cruz, Noelvi Marte might have the highest ceiling among
this young core.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I mean he was their best player in August. In
September of twenty twenty three, I'm still a Matt McClain guy,
Like I still think McLain's going to make multiple All
Star teams. But just in terms of the damage Marte
can do, still plays a premium position because I think
an athletic third basement has become that. I mean, the
ceiling certainly is there.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I know, we don't know a bunch about a bunch
of high school players like the Reds drafted. But what
was the big takeaway from the Reds draft class over
the last week or so?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It was an upside class. You know, you look at
the picks. You got a seventeen year old short stuf
who their selling point was this guy they believe could
have been the number one pick next year. Kind of
like an a Mari's MIM's type projection there that they're
making their number two pick out of high school. They're
betting on like this guy like knows how to pitch
Mason Morris. But it's about getting that next gear and
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training and developing from a stuff standpoint, because if the
stuff takes up even one notch, like that's really really
something that's like a top one hundred prospect. Their next
pick at Arkansas was kind of like a Grand Ashcraft
type with kind of that big, kind of overwhelming bowling
ball type stuff. So like he has the ability to
kind of tap into that upside with the arsenal he has.
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I've heard from multiple people who I really trust, kind
of outside the Red that Mason Neville, their fourth round pick,
was their favorite one. I mean, he's a true center
fielder who led the I think led the nation in
runs last season. So I mean, that's tools you can
work with. They got two guys coming off Tommy John,
they got the University of Southport quarterback like, they got
a lot of athletes who can be dynamic, who have
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to take that step from a consistency standpoint. But but,
and I talked to the Red scouting director about this too.
It was very much an upside class for the Reds.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Looking ahead to today, are we expected to get any
injury updates on Hunter Green? I know he posted a
video over the weekend of him throwing what looked like
a bullpen in Arizona. Is that expected today to get
an update on him?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
We'll definitely ask what the update is going to be.
You know, this has been an ongoing process and what
the update's going to be compared to what hopefully some
things have changed and developed in the last five days.
But this is like Like I said on the show
last week, the word I'm reporting here is this has
been a very confused process. And that's not saying anything
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about Hunter, but that's just what the process has been.
So I'm not in the spot really where I can
predict right now when the next kind of big, big
filestone is for Hunter Green.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Before I let you go, I want to ask you
a Bengals question. What was your reaction to TJ Watt's
extension and how does that, in your mind affect the
Trey Hendrickson negotiations.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well, it shouldn't. I've been very clear over the last
several months about how much of a gap I view
there is between Hendrickson and between Watt. Now, Wat taking
a shorter term deal was the most notable part of
this to me. Obviously the AAV was there, but it
was a shorter term deal. Hendrickson, I'll put in a
similar campus Hunt of Green, a confusing approach to a situation.
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Not speaking about Green, but but the word confusing is
the similarity with Hendrickson there and in a similar spot
where I truly think Trey's going to wake up one
day and say all right, I'm playing or all right,
I'm going to make this even more difficult than I
had to or already was. So it's kind of predicting
trays psyche more than anything. Is I mean, there is
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something to a kitty, Blackburn said, was is he willing
to be happy at a certain price. Sure, we'll see,
and we'll be seeing for the next six weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
How many begels have you had since you've been to
New York?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You know, just one? I did get something new, you know,
I love locks. But they had something called pastrami pastrami salmon,
which is like salmon that's prepared like pastrami, which you know,
different spices. It's kind of thicker, it's not more cooked,
but it kind of feels more more baked. And that
was really good.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, all right, good to know. We look forward to
your reviews of your food while you're on the road.
Have a great weekend, Enjoy the Big Apple. Thanks for
making some time for me today, Charlie. See that is
Charlie Goldsmith Fox nineteen, Charlie's Chalkboard, the Power Stacks Podcast,
and so much more. Well, take a break, we'll come back.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, indeed it is Hi, Hello, and welcome in to
our number three of Cincy three sixty here on ESPN
fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Elmore. We have this
conversation every Friday at this time, and I'm definitely looking
forward to it this week, like especially looking forward to
it this week because of all the great stuff that
(00:41):
came from Charlie's time down in Atlanta, covering the All
Star Game and the Reds and their impact and all
the different angles that you could find at the All
Star Game. It seemed to be a pretty fun experience.
And Charlie joins us, now, Charlie, are you recovered from Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I am, I am. I am in New York now
and it feels equally as hot. But no, it was
a great trip. It's been a great week. These are
the kind of fun stories that you you get into
this to.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Tell in the first place, what did you learn, Like,
what was something that maybe took you by surprise because
you go in there with a plan of the different
things you want to talk about in what you want
to cover, but seemingly there's always a left turn somewhere.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Where was the left turn? And what did you learn?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's funny because like I made my plan for the
stories I want to do and what questions and then
asked what people. I wrote that in my big green notebook,
which if you've been in a clubhouse or a locker
room with me and you're listening, you know what I'm
talking about. And I wrote at the top of it,
stick to the syllabus or stick to to the plan basically,
So I because there's so much, because that's the thing.
(01:43):
It's kind of like a super bowl in that way,
so you have to come in very finely pointed of
where you kind of want your flashlight to point because again,
there's everything now. But one thing that really caught me
by surprise, the story I was surprised by but wasn't
necessarily expecting, was just how active and vocal and energetic
and enthusiastic Ellie was during the home run derby. He
(02:06):
was on two teams. He was the ultimate hype man.
That was the one story that kind of made it
onto my radar that I wasn't again preparing for expecting,
and that was probably Like that's probably the thing I'll
remember from this All Star week from a Red perspective,
how much Ellie was having fun.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And it looked like, you know, overall, just everybody was
having a lot of fun. But how cool of an
experience was that for Andrew Abbott and for his family
and for him to pitch and perform the way he
did in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
He was a guy I had a lot of fun
watching as well. He was I mean, what's the best word,
like a social magnet or whatever you want to say.
He was talking to pictures. There you go. He was
talking to pictures, he was talking to position players, he
was just chatting everyone up and you know, habit. He
has this relaxed, easygoing nature about him, and I think
that's someone that that's something that a lot of different
(02:59):
kinds of friend picked up on. Like he was spending
time with Paul Schemes, with Kyla Schwarber, with Ellie and
some of the guys Ellie knew really well, and then
he pitched really well. Like I said this Andrew after
the game, it was just a very Andrew Abbott performance
to announce to the national world this is what Andrew
Abbitt looks like, and that's what it felt like as well.
So he definitely he definitely got a lot out of it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Now, this is a little bit of inside baseball here,
but I've been told in the past that the food
options in the press box in Atlanta are not great?
Did they right that wrong at the All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So we I'm never gonna complain, right, that's a stance
like I never complained about media food. I never complained
about access. They didn't feed us and they gave us
twenty dollars concessions vouchers. There were a lot of haggling,
moving pieces going on behind the scenes that that that
made it interesting and kept us on our toes, that's
(03:58):
for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, it was just a ran of thought that I had.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right there as we go out of the All Star
Game and into the second half. Before we do that though,
the swing off? What did you think of the swing off?
I was highly entertained by that.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Man. It was fun. It was really really fun. Like
I think I tweeted this in a moment too, like
what we saw was one of the game's best power hitters.
Put the team on his back and do something nasical
to end it. Isn't that what we all wanted to
see anyway? Now, I don't want this to be a
regular thing at all whatsoever during the regular season, but
(04:34):
every team has one or two games a year that
gets into extra innings where you can tell if you
follow We've team closely and kind of read the manager,
you can tell that the manager kind of would rather
just get out of the game than you know, even
that would be a wish priority, even over winning name.
But you can't lose the game unknobly in a not
(04:56):
noble way. You can't just put a position player out there,
because that's the So it so like my idea, like
I tied into my other big pet peeve, which is
I hate when managers have to put pitchers in such
a bad spot that then multiple guys lose their jobs,
you know, lose the big league jobs. So what if
it's after the tenth inning both teams have used at
(05:19):
least seven or eight relievers to your bullpens basically fried,
then you have the option to do a swing off
Homer and Derby to end it. I think that like
six two issues, it would still be very rare. You
could talk me out of that as well, but but
that was my idea.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Loosely related, do you think there should be a run
role in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, because a part and I know there's nothing noble
about pitching a position player, but just truly quitting, it's
just like, I mean, I don't know if you've seen
Friday Night, Like, you know, the coach gets the job
at the new school, which is rebuilding in the first
game so bad they have to quit, and then the
players are mad because the coach quit, and then the
coach has to apologize the team and they burn their
(06:02):
old jerseys to signify that whatever just happened was dead.
But like that's like you don't want to lose in
an ignoble way, Like that's real. So you know, Homer
and swing off late next g in this is a
noble way to win or lose without burning pitchers. But
but no, I don't want to see a regal.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The Reds have decided to uh start the second half
with Nicolodolo, Nick Martinez and Andrew Abbott. If I'm not mistaken,
what goes into the decision to how they want to
position the starting rotation as they start this stretch of
the season.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, what I was told was this specifically was Mets
have a number of good lefties, and the Reds wanted
to line up their lefties, so obviously Lidolo and Abbot.
And then part two of that was they wanted to
give Chase Burns as long of a rest as possible.
They used to be saying that, and again, Chase Burns
is gonna have a very nice rookie season down the
stretch here, I think, But you're in the the inning
(07:00):
management portion of this. Add in an extra off day here,
keep them on a short pitch count there. So once
you knew you had Burns in Game five and you
wanted to have Lodolo an Abbot and two of the
first three, the rest just sorted itself out.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
When it comes to the trade deadline at the end
of this this month, do you think that the Reds
view it as like there's a certain number of games
out we have to be, or a number of games
over five hundred we have to be, Like what determines
their aggression do you think over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I think it'll be the deals, Like, for example, the
Reds could go and I'm just being exaggerating here, the
Reds to the Ohn whatever between now and the deadline.
But then this year's version of Scott Roland is available
with multiple years of team control, Well then yeah, they'd
still be just as aggressive to get this Scott Roland
type if it felt like you could help them in
twenty six or you know, they went eleven straight, but
(07:54):
you know they won't say Aheno Suarez, But the Yankees
and the Cubs just output them for Suarez because they
have even more desperate needs at third base. This is
a lot I'm going to repeat with the Suirez thing,
and I think it's a good line, Like, sure, Swarz
would be a great fifth of the Reds. The Yankees
might be about to be calling up jam or Candelario
to be their third baseman. Like a lot of teams
(08:15):
have a lot of problems, and a lot of teams
canon will be more aggressive than the Reds. So like
my line on Nick Krawl has always been like he's
done some good work around the margins, but and kind
of in the mid range too, like Martinez, Hey, stuff
like that, Gavin Lux At the end of the day,
what I kind of want to see is. And I
know Benson hasn't been a smashing success, but more will
(08:36):
Benson trades. The Reds went out, they found a guy,
They pointed to that guy, and they said, we like him,
what can we do to get him? And they traded
prospects to get him. They could have traded off their offer.
Any type of move like that, where they see a guy,
they say I like that, I would like that, and
they just go get it. It's those types of moves
(08:56):
that really stand out to me, and those are the
types of moves that I'm trying to look for right now.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
The number one thing that has to happen in the
second half if the Reds want to make the playoffs
is what.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You know. The obvious one is the right handed bats
and the number two hitter and the number four hitter
and all that kind of stuff. What was really kind
of sticking in my crawl from the stretch of uninspired
baseball that the Reds played from a results standpoint in Boston.
You can talk about the Philly series was fine from
a play standpoint, but they still lost that and then
coming back home against the Marlins was their starters just
(09:32):
weren't pitching deep enough in the games their starters weren't
leading them to wins. Now, certain pitching is the strength
of the team, but like the passing game is the
strength of the Bengals. And if Joe Burrow is just
playing okay, solid, you know, it's it's not gonna cut it.
So the rotation has been solid. But I think what
is most realistic and most attainable was that the rotation
(09:54):
as a whole levels up. And if that happens, that
takes a lot off your bullpen, that takes a lot
of pressure off the wa lineup. That just helps everyone
take a deep breast even going into a game, Like
what if they're like, all right, you know, like man
Nick Martinez his own like he was in September of
last season, pitching at a number two starter level, like yeah,
we're gonna win this game, like for Martinez, for Singer,
(10:15):
for Burns to an extent, for Lodolo, who I'm buying
stock in continuing to elevate and then kind of meet
Andrew Rabbit at that level, That to me is the
clearest path.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Talking with Charlie Goldsmith Charlie's Chalkboard and of course on
Fox nineteen as well, and the power Stacks Podcast with
Brian Gezenschlaw. We've seen in the in recent games kind
of Noel VI Marte will start and then late in
the game Santiago Espinal will replace him. Defensively, how do
you balance developing Marte as a young player but also
(10:50):
prioritizing winning.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Now, I would say this has been like I've learned
a lot about Terry Francona through like this last week
managing Marte because is I mean clearly pulling him for defense.
It's a winning the day oriented move. Now they're still
playing the long game in terms of they're still playing Marte.
(11:13):
They're obviously the back and help them. They've had developmental
oriented decisions with like how they've managed you know, like
case Berns for example. I could probably think of some
others if he gave me a bit more time. But
they've made development oriented moves. But once you get in
it kind of the band aid's off. And maybe even
one kind of on a similar ideas Marte was the
(11:34):
way that you know, they've just kind of thrown Blin
Richardson into the deep end and high leverage spots and
they're picking them every other day and they're like, all right,
you know, go get them, go get them kids, And
that's a move they're making because he gives them their
best shot to win the game, not necessarily easing a
young guy into high leverage opportunity. So it is a
(11:55):
theme of winning the day. Francona backs that up. But
by far the best version of this Red team has
Nolova Markett playing nine innings. I don't understand how you
have enough confidence for him to play six but not nine,
Like he can't throw. Just put him in triple A
so he can figure out the throwing. But that's that's
(12:15):
another huge storyline they have to figure out this week
because if they don't trust Allova Martie to play seven,
then does that number get to four? And all of
a sudden are you needing a third basement for sure
at the deadline. So that's a big storyline for the
next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Is it fair to say that outside of Elie de
la Cruz, Noelvi Marte might have the highest ceiling among
this young core.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I mean he was their best player in August. In
September of twenty twenty three, I'm still a Matt McClain guy,
Like I still think McLain's going to make multiple All
Star teams. But just in terms of the damage Marte
can do, still plays a premium position because I think
an athletic third basement has become that. I mean, the
ceiling certainly is there.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I know, we don't know a bunch about a bunch
of high school players like the Reds drafted. But what
was the big takeaway from the Reds draft class over
the last week or so?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It was an upside class. You know, you look at
the picks. You got a seventeen year old short stuf
who their selling point was this guy they believe could
have been the number one pick next year. Kind of
like an a Mari's MIM's type projection there that they're
making their number two pick out of high school. They're
betting on like this guy like knows how to pitch
Mason Morris. But it's about getting that next gear and
(13:29):
training and developing from a stuff standpoint, because if the
stuff takes up even one notch, like that's really really
something that's like a top one hundred prospect. Their next
pick at Arkansas was kind of like a Grand Ashcraft
type with kind of that big, kind of overwhelming bowling
ball type stuff. So like he has the ability to
kind of tap into that upside with the arsenal he has.
(13:50):
I've heard from multiple people who I really trust, kind
of outside the Red that Mason Neville, their fourth round pick,
was their favorite one. I mean, he's a true center
fielder who led the I think led the nation in
runs last season. So I mean, that's tools you can
work with. They got two guys coming off Tommy John,
they got the University of Southport quarterback like, they got
a lot of athletes who can be dynamic, who have
(14:13):
to take that step from a consistency standpoint. But but,
and I talked to the Red scouting director about this too.
It was very much an upside class for the Reds.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Looking ahead to today, are we expected to get any
injury updates on Hunter Green? I know he posted a
video over the weekend of him throwing what looked like
a bullpen in Arizona. Is that expected today to get
an update on him?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
We'll definitely ask what the update is going to be.
You know, this has been an ongoing process and what
the update's going to be compared to what hopefully some
things have changed and developed in the last five days.
But this is like Like I said on the show
last week, the word I'm reporting here is this has
been a very confused process. And that's not saying anything
(15:01):
about Hunter, but that's just what the process has been.
So I'm not in the spot really where I can
predict right now when the next kind of big, big
filestone is for Hunter Green.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Before I let you go, I want to ask you
a Bengals question. What was your reaction to TJ Watt's
extension and how does that, in your mind affect the
Trey Hendrickson negotiations.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well, it shouldn't. I've been very clear over the last
several months about how much of a gap I view
there is between Hendrickson and between Watt. Now, Wat taking
a shorter term deal was the most notable part of
this to me. Obviously the AAV was there, but it
was a shorter term deal. Hendrickson, I'll put in a
similar campus Hunt of Green, a confusing approach to a situation.
(15:45):
Not speaking about Green, but but the word confusing is
the similarity with Hendrickson there and in a similar spot
where I truly think Trey's going to wake up one
day and say all right, I'm playing or all right,
I'm going to make this even more difficult than I
had to or already was. So it's kind of predicting
trays psyche more than anything. Is I mean, there is
(16:06):
something to a kitty, Blackburn said, was is he willing
to be happy at a certain price. Sure, we'll see,
and we'll be seeing for the next six weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
How many begels have you had since you've been to
New York?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You know, just one? I did get something new, you know,
I love locks. But they had something called pastrami pastrami salmon,
which is like salmon that's prepared like pastrami, which you know,
different spices. It's kind of thicker, it's not more cooked,
but it kind of feels more more baked. And that
was really good.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, all right, good to know. We look forward to
your reviews of your food while you're on the road.
Have a great weekend, Enjoy the Big Apple. Thanks for
making some time for me today, Charlie. See that is
Charlie Goldsmith Fox nineteen, Charlie's Chalkboard, the Power Stacks Podcast,
and so much more. Well, take a break, we'll come back.
(17:00):
When we do, we'll take your talkbacks, and after that
we'll decide on a winner for a Cincy Shirts gift
card followed that followed up by uh Tommy g Joining
the program at two o'clock. A little bit later on
Moegger for quick hits as well, plus phone lines open five, one, three, seven, nine,
fifteen thirty, you can tweet at me at Audiomore. You've
(17:23):
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