August 18, 2025 • 17 mins
Austin talks with Richard Skinner about the Reds and Bengals on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Cincy Shirts Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,
sponsored in part by Cincy Shirts. Cincy Shirts All Cincy,
all Day. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, Hello, welcome in our number two of Cincy three
sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin Elmore riding soloed today.
That's because from three to six thirty this afternoon, it'll
be Tony Pike alongside Ken Brew taking you up to
Bengals commanders tonight in the nation's capital. And I wanted
to talk to this guy because he knows a lot
(00:38):
about a lot. He's our friend Richard Skinner from Local twelve.
And Skinny, let me start with the Reds. Should Reds
fans feel better or worse about the ball club after
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I would say the same, because he only took the
one of three from them. You know, nick O Tea
is handed an eight to one lead on Friday night,
cannot let that melt away, and another defense didn't help
him and didn't help the bullpen after that, you know,
then Saturday, you know, the the Joel the source of experience.
Maybe not see again, but I mean I'll give him this,
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and they've done this a few times this year, right,
I mean, Andrew had pitch is great one nothing in
the ninth You're thinking they are going to steal this,
and suddenly they're not, and suddenly they come back and
win it. And I think that was big for so
many reasons, especially because this nine game road trip coming
up is not going to be an easy one at
the Angels, at the Diamondbacks, at the Dodgers. But I
do think this team has some grit to it. I
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just don't know how it strings together winning streets when
it feels like every time you take a step forward
the starting pitcher coming back Hunter Green, you take a
step back to another pitcher going out or having a
rough outing, and you need Nick Widolo back pitching the
way he was pitching, and you haven't gotten a ton
of offense. So you've got a little bit in the
first couple of games of this series. So I feel
the same, But I'm not sure sure that's an awful
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place to be because you're so only a game and
a half behind the Mets. All of what happened this weekend,
you're still in a game in half behind him.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, if you're Nick Krawl or Terry Franconna, or whoever
it is making decisions down there.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What do you do with Matt McLean's a great question.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'll be honest with you. I think you keep you
roll him back out there as the starter and let's
see what you got. Give him, give him every chance
to prove himself or not prove himself. I mean, he
kind of rided his ship a little bit and then
all of a sudden he's gone. And while you know,
there's been times he have hit this year, for sure,
I mean he's usually a pretty reliable defensive player and
at times a really good defensive player, certainly better than
(02:35):
Gavin Luckston's second base. And that sure it helped you
on Friday Night.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, that is certainly the truth. What about same question,
Amelio Pegan is the closer. Do you think they'll change
the way that they're doing things right now?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
No? But I fear this between him and Tony Santion,
it feels like they pitched one hundred and thirty games
between them this year, and at what point does that
start to hit the brick wall? And I get it.
I mean, if you're Terry Francone and a tight him
and you look down and you go, he's reliable. He's reliable. Okay,
I'm gonna use you guys again. Uh, And I do
understand that. But at some point that's gonna catch up
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to you. And you know, maybe in some of these games,
if you have a reliever going well, whether it's an Ashcraft,
you can give you multi innings, a suitor give you
multi innings and you're up a couple of three runs,
or you know, down to a point where you may
not just let them finish it out. Just don't even
mess with one of those guys. There'll be more so
with the league obviously those two guys. Just you know,
let it play out a couple of times and give
these guys a little bit of extra rest because he's
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riding pretty hard, he's written them pretty hard at this point,
and there's still a lot of baseball to be played.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
What did you make of the decision to DFA Jake Freeley?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I mean, what was he giving you? Right? The problem is,
what's the differential between him and Will Benson Other than
maybe Bench at this point of his career gives you
more athleticism and a little bit more power, But they're
kind of the same guy. They're honestly four A players.
You know, it's a shame that Jake. I think you
did everything to, you know, be a serviceable player. He
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just isn't anymore. The power's gone, you know, And that
was kind of what he had. He was a nice
left handed power bat, especially against right handed pitching. So yeah,
I didn't see it coming, but it shouldn't be shocking.
And again it's one of those ones where you roll
him out and you roll Benson in and you hope
Benson gets hot, but I wouldn't expect that. I mean,
it's it feels like it's one four A player for
the next.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Talking to Richard Skinner Local twelve The Skinny Podcast, Well,
all of a sudden, we have more Trey Hendrickson news,
the Bengals apparently listening to trade offers. Where did this
come from and why is it coming out now that
this has been happening for weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, I'm gonna guess one of the two things. One
is trace campus getting to that point of frustration from
a leverage standpoint, right and listen. I don't think the Bengals,
ever didn't continue to listen to trade offers for Trey Hendrickson.
You know, the report now is they're seeing a young
defensive player doesn't have to be alignment and at least
the first round pick next year. And I don't think
(05:01):
that's I don't think that's unreasonable. Any strets that might
even be selling it short, to be honest with you,
And I just don't know if you're gonna find a
bunch of trade partners. So for Trey, he's running out
of leverage. I mean, you know, you can say in May,
I'm not gonna plan on this contract. You can hold
out and then decide, oh crap, I'm getting fined. I
don't want to get fined, and I better show up
and they'll stop finding me in it'll be a hold in.
And so now you're at that stage where a couple
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of weeks and a couple of three weeks into the
hold in, there hasn't been a lot of progress. That
doesn't sound like I mean, it sounds like it's still
stuck on the guaranteed money portion of the program. But
they've kind of, I guess, come to at least a
semi agreement on the average annual value, but not only
on the guarantees. And you know it neither side budget.
But I think this is kind of that last leverage
of you know, I gotta I gotta say something, do something,
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put something out there to make it seem like there's
some activity in this regard, because you know, if there
is no trade offers, then it comes down to this,
does he swallow hard and take the Bengals offer on
the table? Does he say Nope, I'm not I've got
my my stance, and then the Bengals go back and
say what Mike Brown said at the media launching. I mean,
he's under contract for this year, and you know, I
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know fans don't have to like that, but that's that's
the reality of it. And then try to make that
decision if it comes out of that. Am I really
gonna miss a game check or two or three or five?
And don't forget, he has to be on the active
roster for six games in order to accrue this year
towards free agency, and so if he only plays a
hands full of games he doesn't produce, you think he's
gonna get a pay day from another NFL team. It's
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gonna go. Yeah. You know, I can remember what he
did in twenty three and twenty four but in twenty
five he ended up turning thirty two at the end
of the year, and he only had two sacks in
the six games he played. And yeah, I'm not willing
to run out thirty five million dollars for a guy
like that. So I just I think he's reaching the
end of his rope. From a leverage standpoint, I do think.
I think I've stood by this for a lot. I
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think on September second, the day after Labor Day, these
two sides will come to an agreement. I think Trey
will swallow hard, maybe take less than the guarantees. Maybe
the Bengals help him out and give him more assigning
bonus that they can pro rate. Put a bunch of
money in the last year the contract for a base salary,
and then you know, at that point, you go, okay,
if he's still producing that final year, we'll pay him
that base salary. And if he's not well, then you
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cut him, and you do. You don't have to, you know,
you don't have to pay him that money, and you're
out from under it. So and I think that's probably
the fair way to go. Do I think Traders is
gonna fault the map in two years no, I don't.
But if you'd have told me that the twenty nineteen
practice him dating where A J. Green stepped on the field,
that I'd never see the same Aj Green ever again, right,
I would have said, you're crazy, You're crazy. Well I
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never did, yeah, and so it happened.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Based off what you've seen at training camp and being
down there every day. Can the Bengals make the playoffs
without Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I honestly think they can do. I think they're a
better team without him. Probably not. No, I mean I'm
stupid if I say that, right, But Jamar Stewart shown flashes.
He hasn't done it in a regular season game. He's
only done it for a handful of snaps in a
pre season game, and it's a big fire if you go, okay,
our leverage too, is this guy's play well and maybe
(08:01):
that that's training to the corner. And Joseph besides had
a nice camp. The other part is though Miles Murphy's
had an okay camp and now he's hurt, and so
after that, the fall off at end is can you
even I don't. I'm not gonna produce last out there.
The ends after the hat are like Isaiah Thomas said,
Johnson cam sample yea hurt, Dear Johnson's hurt. That's a
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pretty solid drop off at that point. So no, there's
clearly a better team with Trey Hendrickson. But again, from
a business standpoint, we're not just talking about this season
when it comes to this, I mean this again, this season.
He is under contract, so technically you've got him for
this season and he should be playing for this season.
I get his stance. He wants long term solution financially
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in the security that. I fully get that. But two
years ago, nobody put a gun to your head and said,
hey man, sin Is he's thinking, dude, I mean, you
put yourself in the pickle. I'm sorry you did it,
but you did it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, I agree with you now based off what you
just said about the depth of the defensive line, which
is which group is in more trouble, the offensive line
or the defensive line, because it doesn't seem like there's
a lot of depth or reliability on either one of those.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, I will. I think there's depth at the interior
tackle spots, I really do. I mean, don't forget they
haven't been playing with b J. Hill at the moment,
so B J. Hill would slide into the lineup alongside T. J. Slayton,
and that puts Chris Jenkins's had a nice camp in
a backup role, and McKinley Jackson and obviously a backup
roles and those tackle and honestly, I'm not so sure
rookie undrafted creation Howard Cross doesn't make this team. He's
had a good camp too, and so that I think
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their depth is fine in the interior right now. On
the outside is where the issue is. I mean again,
the other day, I'm watching them, watching the ones or
the twos lineup, and I'm like, wait a minute, fifty
one is oh, that's that's right, that's Isiah Thomas. Okay,
that's where we're at right now. But the offensive line
at the moment, it seems like the right guard battle
is done, maybe by default. You know, this past week,
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I really thought Cody Ford would get some reps and
get a chance to maybe start this game at right guard.
But then or Lando Brown this the practice and so
he played left tackle with the ones, and then r
Marius Man has missed a good chunk of a practice
and he played right tackle with the ones. And that's
probably his best suited role is to be that back
of all trade. So I feel good about codying a
backup roll where I feel good about Cody starting seventeen games. No,
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probably not, but but he's more than serviceable last year.
You know, right now, I don't know who the backup
center is. I don't know who the depth is at guard.
Kardo Bolson is gonna be hurt or is hurt? Is
gonna be out for a bit? You know, Jalen Rivers
has had his moments. They just moved him back to
guard after he played some tackle and he seems to
have settled in a little bit. But I mean that's
a rookie now. I mean, you've already got one rookie starting,
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and that's all well and good because I think Dylan
Churchild's more than held his own and played well. But
then you're gonna have to have another rookie be you know,
potentially one of your backups. I mean, how about a game,
And I don't want this to happen up so I
don't want to talk it to a power where one
of your tackles gets hurt, Cody has to go in
and play, one of the guards gets hurt. And Dalen
Rivers has to go in play. I mean, that's a
that's a tough spot at the moment. So yeah, the
depth there is is shaky at the moment for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
As far as tonight's game is concerned, what are you
most intrigued by For the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I want to see Shamar Stewart playing against the Ones.
I want to see what that looks like when he's
playing alongside the ones and playing against some ones. I
know Washington's not playing all their stars, but they're playing,
you know, at least sounds like a decent amount of them.
So I want to see what that looks like. I
want to see what Lucas Patrick looks like in the
second game. I know he had some ugly reps, but
you know, and I wasn't exactly expecting Zach to roll
him under the bus. As I said the other day,
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you know, how did you think Dylan and Lucas came
out of the first game? And he said, well, they
scored two touchdowns when they were in there, and that
is true. So you know, the proof is in that
putting and listen there. You know that there were some
ugly reps from Lucas Patrick, So I'd like to see
that be a little more clean to where you go. Okay,
as long as it's an improvement over Alex Kappa, it's
not going to be Pro Bowl caliber. I mean, it's
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just not going to be. But if it's an improvement
over Ox Kapa, that's kind of all you're looking for.
Right He'd like to be maybe a little better than that,
but that's that's that's a pretty good place to be.
And in the safety spot, I think Tyson Anderson will
get the run with the Ones tonight. Maybe Dejon Anthony
gets the series with them as well, with Geno's stone
being out, and let's see if they can hold their
own there, because right now your depth piece is at safety.
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Are those two guys who combined for eleven career defensive
snaps in the NFL. I think they both had good
camps at times. Tyson I think a little more so
than Dejon, but I think they both had good camps.
But you know, when you can't tackle right, so you
don't know are they gonna be able to come downhill
and tackle the way you want them to tackle In
the run game, you know, seeing a couple of times
when they flash across where it looks like they could
blow up a wide receiver, but you're not gonna blow
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up a teammate a in a you know, a practice setting.
So I want to see what that looks like tonight,
when you know there's real tackling that goes on and
they have to have to come downhill and make a
stop in the run game or come across and break
up a pass and show some range. Because as we see,
I mean, Ginostone is like he's gonna be back in
time for the open. He's back at practice for a
couple of days this week. Didn't do any team stuff,
but he was dressed and did some individual drill, so
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that's a good sign. But all of a sudden, you
see how fragile that depth is. Right Like, all of
a sudden, you look up and Geno's not practice week
and it's you guys who played a love of the
Censusna's in their career the safety spot.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Before I let you go, Skinny, it was announced this
morning that an Arena Football League team is coming to
Northern Kentucky. How big of a band did you play
in this? I know you're a big arena league guy,
uh you know? And In the last time Arena Football
League was in Northern Kentucky, Jared Lorenzo and the Hefty
Lefty was the quarterback. Should the Kentucky Barrels reach out
to Tony Pike and see about signing the mighty Righty?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah? How that suit phone of his doing these days?
I he's growing. I know he's working kids out. You know,
maybe maybe he's got some new life in that arm
and obviously a local name. I think that would be
awesome to see it. Listen man. One of the first
beats I covered when I worked at the Cincinnati Post
in the early nineties was it was the Rockers with
Archchley quarterback, and I really thoroughly enjoyed that. I enjoyed
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that league. But then it feels like every other team
that's come through here in an indoor football capacity, it
hasn't lasted long. We've had them and the Commandos and
the River Monsters and Craft, the team that Sam Adams
and King Grissey Junior were part of. I'm going a
complete plank on that. At the moment. I wish them well,
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but it just doesn't seem like there's an appetite in
this market. For that. I believe their season starts in
mid March when there's a certain big basketball tournament going
on the bathroom local teams involved in it. And then suddenly,
a couple of weeks later, a certain you know, Major
League baseball franchise starts, and oh, by the way, there's
also a pretty good professional soccer franchise. It's being playing
at six matches at that point in time. That's a
(14:32):
lot in the market, man.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, uh, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I had a position coach of mine when I was
in high school that played at Ohio State with Art Schleister,
and he said to us one day that there's a
lot of Art Schleister stories out there, and they're all true.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
They are all through they are literally true. One once
that almost cost me some money. I mean I somehow
got my money back. I don't know how this date
to this day. I did get my money back, but
I got my money back from him in cash in
keens and twenties. I'll just believe you that I got
my cash back from him, and it was a significant
amount that he scammed me out of. I got it
back in keens and twenties, but I got it. I
feel for whoever else he scammed to give me my
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money back, but I got mine back.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
That is unbelievable, Skinny. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Tell people how they can follow along to all your coverage,
the podcast and more.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yep. Actually, j Andre Jellis and I have a daily
podcast from Mangals training Camp on YouTube also on Local
twelve dot com. My podcast weekly with Rick Browing, drops
either Wednesdays or Thursdays. You go to Local twelve dot com,
slash sports or on the X first at Local twelve.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Skinny, Wait a minute, I forgot about this. Rick Brewing
is Eating's taco bell every day the month of August.
I mean, what's going on with that? Yeah, Like, are you, like,
are you able to be around him when that stuff
is happening or could you do something like that?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Could I probably would? I probably not. I mean, Rick
seems he likes the variety of it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I don't know if I could find enough menu items
variety wise for me, because I'm always just a crunchy
taco guy. There's the other things I could eat off
that menu, but I couldn't do crunchy tacos for thirty
straight days. But he has cockland as of last week,
he had actually lost almost two full packs on this
Taco Bell.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Dill I was gonna say, I told him, I said,
you have directly you are an influencer because I have
been craving Taco Bell every day because I see his
videos every day.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So his influencer life is working.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I hope he's drinking protein shakes and taking some vitamin
something that's with that, because you gotta have something to
help yourself in just Taco Bell.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I saw the Sharman stock prices skyrocketed since the month
of August, so, uh, wonder what Skinny. Thank you so
much for your time, man, see you later. It is
Richard Skinner Local twelve at Local twelve, Skinny, always a
fun time. I didn't know about the Archchleister stuff. I
need to talk to Skinny off the air. Oh man, Yeah,
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my coach said they're all true when it comes to
the stories of Archleiser. All right, we'll take a break,
we'll come back. Your talkbacks are next on ESPN fifteen
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This is Cincy Shirts Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, Hello, welcome in our number two of Cincy three
sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin Elmore riding soloed today.
That's because from three to six thirty this afternoon, it'll
be Tony Pike alongside Ken Brew taking you up to
Bengals commanders tonight in the nation's capital. And I wanted
to talk to this guy because he knows a lot
(00:38):
about a lot. He's our friend Richard Skinner from Local twelve.
And Skinny, let me start with the Reds. Should Reds
fans feel better or worse about the ball club after
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I would say the same, because he only took the
one of three from them. You know, nick O Tea
is handed an eight to one lead on Friday night,
cannot let that melt away, and another defense didn't help
him and didn't help the bullpen after that, you know,
then Saturday, you know, the the Joel the source of experience.
Maybe not see again, but I mean I'll give him this,
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and they've done this a few times this year, right,
I mean, Andrew had pitch is great one nothing in
the ninth You're thinking they are going to steal this,
and suddenly they're not, and suddenly they come back and
win it. And I think that was big for so
many reasons, especially because this nine game road trip coming
up is not going to be an easy one at
the Angels, at the Diamondbacks, at the Dodgers. But I
do think this team has some grit to it. I
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just don't know how it strings together winning streets when
it feels like every time you take a step forward
the starting pitcher coming back Hunter Green, you take a
step back to another pitcher going out or having a
rough outing, and you need Nick Widolo back pitching the
way he was pitching, and you haven't gotten a ton
of offense. So you've got a little bit in the
first couple of games of this series. So I feel
the same, But I'm not sure sure that's an awful
(01:57):
place to be because you're so only a game and
a half behind the Mets. All of what happened this weekend,
you're still in a game in half behind him.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, if you're Nick Krawl or Terry Franconna, or whoever
it is making decisions down there.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What do you do with Matt McLean's a great question.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'll be honest with you. I think you keep you
roll him back out there as the starter and let's
see what you got. Give him, give him every chance
to prove himself or not prove himself. I mean, he
kind of rided his ship a little bit and then
all of a sudden he's gone. And while you know,
there's been times he have hit this year, for sure,
I mean he's usually a pretty reliable defensive player and
at times a really good defensive player, certainly better than
(02:35):
Gavin Luckston's second base. And that sure it helped you
on Friday Night.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, that is certainly the truth. What about same question,
Amelio Pegan is the closer. Do you think they'll change
the way that they're doing things right now?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
No? But I fear this between him and Tony Santion,
it feels like they pitched one hundred and thirty games
between them this year, and at what point does that
start to hit the brick wall? And I get it.
I mean, if you're Terry Francone and a tight him
and you look down and you go, he's reliable. He's reliable. Okay,
I'm gonna use you guys again. Uh, And I do
understand that. But at some point that's gonna catch up
(03:10):
to you. And you know, maybe in some of these games,
if you have a reliever going well, whether it's an Ashcraft,
you can give you multi innings, a suitor give you
multi innings and you're up a couple of three runs,
or you know, down to a point where you may
not just let them finish it out. Just don't even
mess with one of those guys. There'll be more so
with the league obviously those two guys. Just you know,
let it play out a couple of times and give
these guys a little bit of extra rest because he's
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riding pretty hard, he's written them pretty hard at this point,
and there's still a lot of baseball to be played.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
What did you make of the decision to DFA Jake Freeley?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I mean, what was he giving you? Right? The problem is,
what's the differential between him and Will Benson Other than
maybe Bench at this point of his career gives you
more athleticism and a little bit more power, But they're
kind of the same guy. They're honestly four A players.
You know, it's a shame that Jake. I think you
did everything to, you know, be a serviceable player. He
(04:03):
just isn't anymore. The power's gone, you know, And that
was kind of what he had. He was a nice
left handed power bat, especially against right handed pitching. So yeah,
I didn't see it coming, but it shouldn't be shocking.
And again it's one of those ones where you roll
him out and you roll Benson in and you hope
Benson gets hot, but I wouldn't expect that. I mean,
it's it feels like it's one four A player for
the next.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Talking to Richard Skinner Local twelve The Skinny Podcast, Well,
all of a sudden, we have more Trey Hendrickson news,
the Bengals apparently listening to trade offers. Where did this
come from and why is it coming out now that
this has been happening for weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, I'm gonna guess one of the two things. One
is trace campus getting to that point of frustration from
a leverage standpoint, right and listen. I don't think the Bengals,
ever didn't continue to listen to trade offers for Trey Hendrickson.
You know, the report now is they're seeing a young
defensive player doesn't have to be alignment and at least
the first round pick next year. And I don't think
(05:01):
that's I don't think that's unreasonable. Any strets that might
even be selling it short, to be honest with you,
And I just don't know if you're gonna find a
bunch of trade partners. So for Trey, he's running out
of leverage. I mean, you know, you can say in May,
I'm not gonna plan on this contract. You can hold
out and then decide, oh crap, I'm getting fined. I
don't want to get fined, and I better show up
and they'll stop finding me in it'll be a hold in.
And so now you're at that stage where a couple
(05:22):
of weeks and a couple of three weeks into the
hold in, there hasn't been a lot of progress. That
doesn't sound like I mean, it sounds like it's still
stuck on the guaranteed money portion of the program. But
they've kind of, I guess, come to at least a
semi agreement on the average annual value, but not only
on the guarantees. And you know it neither side budget.
But I think this is kind of that last leverage
of you know, I gotta I gotta say something, do something,
(05:44):
put something out there to make it seem like there's
some activity in this regard, because you know, if there
is no trade offers, then it comes down to this,
does he swallow hard and take the Bengals offer on
the table? Does he say Nope, I'm not I've got
my my stance, and then the Bengals go back and
say what Mike Brown said at the media launching. I mean,
he's under contract for this year, and you know, I
(06:06):
know fans don't have to like that, but that's that's
the reality of it. And then try to make that
decision if it comes out of that. Am I really
gonna miss a game check or two or three or five?
And don't forget, he has to be on the active
roster for six games in order to accrue this year
towards free agency, and so if he only plays a
hands full of games he doesn't produce, you think he's
gonna get a pay day from another NFL team. It's
(06:26):
gonna go. Yeah. You know, I can remember what he
did in twenty three and twenty four but in twenty
five he ended up turning thirty two at the end
of the year, and he only had two sacks in
the six games he played. And yeah, I'm not willing
to run out thirty five million dollars for a guy
like that. So I just I think he's reaching the
end of his rope. From a leverage standpoint, I do think.
I think I've stood by this for a lot. I
(06:47):
think on September second, the day after Labor Day, these
two sides will come to an agreement. I think Trey
will swallow hard, maybe take less than the guarantees. Maybe
the Bengals help him out and give him more assigning
bonus that they can pro rate. Put a bunch of
money in the last year the contract for a base salary,
and then you know, at that point, you go, okay,
if he's still producing that final year, we'll pay him
that base salary. And if he's not well, then you
(07:07):
cut him, and you do. You don't have to, you know,
you don't have to pay him that money, and you're
out from under it. So and I think that's probably
the fair way to go. Do I think Traders is
gonna fault the map in two years no, I don't.
But if you'd have told me that the twenty nineteen
practice him dating where A J. Green stepped on the field,
that I'd never see the same Aj Green ever again, right,
I would have said, you're crazy, You're crazy. Well I
(07:28):
never did, yeah, and so it happened.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Based off what you've seen at training camp and being
down there every day. Can the Bengals make the playoffs
without Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I honestly think they can do. I think they're a
better team without him. Probably not. No, I mean I'm
stupid if I say that, right, But Jamar Stewart shown flashes.
He hasn't done it in a regular season game. He's
only done it for a handful of snaps in a
pre season game, and it's a big fire if you go, okay,
our leverage too, is this guy's play well and maybe
(08:01):
that that's training to the corner. And Joseph besides had
a nice camp. The other part is though Miles Murphy's
had an okay camp and now he's hurt, and so
after that, the fall off at end is can you
even I don't. I'm not gonna produce last out there.
The ends after the hat are like Isaiah Thomas said,
Johnson cam sample yea hurt, Dear Johnson's hurt. That's a
(08:21):
pretty solid drop off at that point. So no, there's
clearly a better team with Trey Hendrickson. But again, from
a business standpoint, we're not just talking about this season
when it comes to this, I mean this again, this season.
He is under contract, so technically you've got him for
this season and he should be playing for this season.
I get his stance. He wants long term solution financially
(08:42):
in the security that. I fully get that. But two
years ago, nobody put a gun to your head and said,
hey man, sin Is he's thinking, dude, I mean, you
put yourself in the pickle. I'm sorry you did it,
but you did it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, I agree with you now based off what you
just said about the depth of the defensive line, which
is which group is in more trouble, the offensive line
or the defensive line, because it doesn't seem like there's
a lot of depth or reliability on either one of those.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, I will. I think there's depth at the interior
tackle spots, I really do. I mean, don't forget they
haven't been playing with b J. Hill at the moment,
so B J. Hill would slide into the lineup alongside T. J. Slayton,
and that puts Chris Jenkins's had a nice camp in
a backup role, and McKinley Jackson and obviously a backup
roles and those tackle and honestly, I'm not so sure
rookie undrafted creation Howard Cross doesn't make this team. He's
had a good camp too, and so that I think
(09:31):
their depth is fine in the interior right now. On
the outside is where the issue is. I mean again,
the other day, I'm watching them, watching the ones or
the twos lineup, and I'm like, wait a minute, fifty
one is oh, that's that's right, that's Isiah Thomas. Okay,
that's where we're at right now. But the offensive line
at the moment, it seems like the right guard battle
is done, maybe by default. You know, this past week,
(09:53):
I really thought Cody Ford would get some reps and
get a chance to maybe start this game at right guard.
But then or Lando Brown this the practice and so
he played left tackle with the ones, and then r
Marius Man has missed a good chunk of a practice
and he played right tackle with the ones. And that's
probably his best suited role is to be that back
of all trade. So I feel good about codying a
backup roll where I feel good about Cody starting seventeen games. No,
(10:13):
probably not, but but he's more than serviceable last year.
You know, right now, I don't know who the backup
center is. I don't know who the depth is at guard.
Kardo Bolson is gonna be hurt or is hurt? Is
gonna be out for a bit? You know, Jalen Rivers
has had his moments. They just moved him back to
guard after he played some tackle and he seems to
have settled in a little bit. But I mean that's
a rookie now. I mean, you've already got one rookie starting,
(10:36):
and that's all well and good because I think Dylan
Churchild's more than held his own and played well. But
then you're gonna have to have another rookie be you know,
potentially one of your backups. I mean, how about a game,
And I don't want this to happen up so I
don't want to talk it to a power where one
of your tackles gets hurt, Cody has to go in
and play, one of the guards gets hurt. And Dalen
Rivers has to go in play. I mean, that's a
that's a tough spot at the moment. So yeah, the
depth there is is shaky at the moment for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
As far as tonight's game is concerned, what are you
most intrigued by For the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I want to see Shamar Stewart playing against the Ones.
I want to see what that looks like when he's
playing alongside the ones and playing against some ones. I
know Washington's not playing all their stars, but they're playing,
you know, at least sounds like a decent amount of them.
So I want to see what that looks like. I
want to see what Lucas Patrick looks like in the
second game. I know he had some ugly reps, but
you know, and I wasn't exactly expecting Zach to roll
him under the bus. As I said the other day,
(11:26):
you know, how did you think Dylan and Lucas came
out of the first game? And he said, well, they
scored two touchdowns when they were in there, and that
is true. So you know, the proof is in that
putting and listen there. You know that there were some
ugly reps from Lucas Patrick, So I'd like to see
that be a little more clean to where you go. Okay,
as long as it's an improvement over Alex Kappa, it's
not going to be Pro Bowl caliber. I mean, it's
(11:48):
just not going to be. But if it's an improvement
over Ox Kapa, that's kind of all you're looking for.
Right He'd like to be maybe a little better than that,
but that's that's that's a pretty good place to be.
And in the safety spot, I think Tyson Anderson will
get the run with the Ones tonight. Maybe Dejon Anthony
gets the series with them as well, with Geno's stone
being out, and let's see if they can hold their
own there, because right now your depth piece is at safety.
(12:11):
Are those two guys who combined for eleven career defensive
snaps in the NFL. I think they both had good
camps at times. Tyson I think a little more so
than Dejon, but I think they both had good camps.
But you know, when you can't tackle right, so you
don't know are they gonna be able to come downhill
and tackle the way you want them to tackle In
the run game, you know, seeing a couple of times
when they flash across where it looks like they could
blow up a wide receiver, but you're not gonna blow
(12:32):
up a teammate a in a you know, a practice setting.
So I want to see what that looks like tonight,
when you know there's real tackling that goes on and
they have to have to come downhill and make a
stop in the run game or come across and break
up a pass and show some range. Because as we see,
I mean, Ginostone is like he's gonna be back in
time for the open. He's back at practice for a
couple of days this week. Didn't do any team stuff,
but he was dressed and did some individual drill, so
(12:54):
that's a good sign. But all of a sudden, you
see how fragile that depth is. Right Like, all of
a sudden, you look up and Geno's not practice week
and it's you guys who played a love of the
Censusna's in their career the safety spot.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Before I let you go, Skinny, it was announced this
morning that an Arena Football League team is coming to
Northern Kentucky. How big of a band did you play
in this? I know you're a big arena league guy,
uh you know? And In the last time Arena Football
League was in Northern Kentucky, Jared Lorenzo and the Hefty
Lefty was the quarterback. Should the Kentucky Barrels reach out
to Tony Pike and see about signing the mighty Righty?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah? How that suit phone of his doing these days?
I he's growing. I know he's working kids out. You know,
maybe maybe he's got some new life in that arm
and obviously a local name. I think that would be
awesome to see it. Listen man. One of the first
beats I covered when I worked at the Cincinnati Post
in the early nineties was it was the Rockers with
Archchley quarterback, and I really thoroughly enjoyed that. I enjoyed
(13:50):
that league. But then it feels like every other team
that's come through here in an indoor football capacity, it
hasn't lasted long. We've had them and the Commandos and
the River Monsters and Craft, the team that Sam Adams
and King Grissey Junior were part of. I'm going a
complete plank on that. At the moment. I wish them well,
(14:11):
but it just doesn't seem like there's an appetite in
this market. For that. I believe their season starts in
mid March when there's a certain big basketball tournament going
on the bathroom local teams involved in it. And then suddenly,
a couple of weeks later, a certain you know, Major
League baseball franchise starts, and oh, by the way, there's
also a pretty good professional soccer franchise. It's being playing
at six matches at that point in time. That's a
(14:32):
lot in the market, man.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, uh, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I had a position coach of mine when I was
in high school that played at Ohio State with Art Schleister,
and he said to us one day that there's a
lot of Art Schleister stories out there, and they're all true.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
They are all through they are literally true. One once
that almost cost me some money. I mean I somehow
got my money back. I don't know how this date
to this day. I did get my money back, but
I got my money back from him in cash in
keens and twenties. I'll just believe you that I got
my cash back from him, and it was a significant
amount that he scammed me out of. I got it
back in keens and twenties, but I got it. I
feel for whoever else he scammed to give me my
(15:10):
money back, but I got mine back.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
That is unbelievable, Skinny. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Tell people how they can follow along to all your coverage,
the podcast and more.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yep. Actually, j Andre Jellis and I have a daily
podcast from Mangals training Camp on YouTube also on Local
twelve dot com. My podcast weekly with Rick Browing, drops
either Wednesdays or Thursdays. You go to Local twelve dot com,
slash sports or on the X first at Local twelve.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Skinny, Wait a minute, I forgot about this. Rick Brewing
is Eating's taco bell every day the month of August.
I mean, what's going on with that? Yeah, Like, are you, like,
are you able to be around him when that stuff
is happening or could you do something like that?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Could I probably would? I probably not. I mean, Rick
seems he likes the variety of it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I don't know if I could find enough menu items
variety wise for me, because I'm always just a crunchy
taco guy. There's the other things I could eat off
that menu, but I couldn't do crunchy tacos for thirty
straight days. But he has cockland as of last week,
he had actually lost almost two full packs on this
Taco Bell.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Dill I was gonna say, I told him, I said,
you have directly you are an influencer because I have
been craving Taco Bell every day because I see his
videos every day.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So his influencer life is working.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I hope he's drinking protein shakes and taking some vitamin
something that's with that, because you gotta have something to
help yourself in just Taco Bell.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I saw the Sharman stock prices skyrocketed since the month
of August, so, uh, wonder what Skinny. Thank you so
much for your time, man, see you later. It is
Richard Skinner Local twelve at Local twelve, Skinny, always a
fun time. I didn't know about the Archchleister stuff. I
need to talk to Skinny off the air. Oh man, Yeah,
(17:00):
my coach said they're all true when it comes to
the stories of Archleiser. All right, we'll take a break,
we'll come back. Your talkbacks are next on ESPN fifteen
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