Cincy 360 Hour 3 -- 9/23/25

Tony and Austin react to what Zac Taylor said yesterday, talk new MLB rules, check in with Mo Egger, and more on ESPN 1530!

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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
We are now in the third and final hour of
Sincy three to sixty on this Tuesday afternoon. The final
hour for today got fast today it is. It's been
a fast show and we've still got quite a lot
to get to here in the third and final hour,
including Zach Taylor said what there were three things that
stood out to me Austin yesterday when Zach Taylor was

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speaking to members of the local media coming out of
the Minnesota game in which they lost by thirty eight.
That was the worst loss in franchise history. We have
a couple of clips here. Can we start with the
clip in which Zach Taylor has asked about the defense

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that they have been going against and the inability to
get the running game going.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Which one was that was that one? Two or three?
That was clip number one?

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Okay, No, I think as a unit, we got to
be better in the running game. We have to do
a great job identifying the scheme that we've got a
lot of confidence in to be able to give the
running backs opportunity, and our guys need to step up
and do a great job with that scheme. And so
I think it's unfair to put it on a player.
It's on all of us offensively collectively to find a
better answer. I do think that we've we faced three

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challenging defenses early in the season. You can't make an
excuse for that. We've got to find our way to
put pressure on them and stop saying it's about the defense.
There's got to be moments where we attack the defense
and put them on their heels, and we just got
to find some momentimum drives to be able to do that,
and yesterday we were far from finding momentum drives.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Okay, now I will I'll take this from what mo
Eger said yesterday. When do we start playing defenses that
we can run against, Well, it's just we've we've played
some really good defenses and their schemes have just pretty
much been better than ours. That can't be an answer
it cannot be an answer going forward anymore for this

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team of well, just playing against a good defense. You
have to find ways to have success. You mentioned I
think the number yesterday Austin. I saw this from I
think Ross Tucker retweeted it yesterday as well. Chase Brown
forty seven carries for ninety three yards this season. He
has negative fifty four yards before contact minus fifty four yards.

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That's a real stat. Another stat about the run offense
from Joe Goodberry. Bengals run block grades from PFF over
the years. In twenty twenty they were the twenty first
ranked run blocking team. Twenty twenty one, they were twenty.
It's twenty twenty two, they were twenty first twenty twenty
three to twenty second. Last year, they were twenty ninth

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this year. Often three games in they are grated at
a thirty seven point eight that's dead last in football.
To put it into perspective, the Bengals are nine point
nine points lower than the thirty first ranked Saints. The
Saints are grading nine point eight points lower than the
seventeenth ranked Broncos. That's how big the gap is.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
So basically, a twenty point difference between the thirty second
ranked Bengals and the thirtieth ranked whoever that.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Is, it's insane, and the conversation becomes, well, we're just
playing good defenses. Every defense in the NFL is good,
Every defense has good players. Every team in the NFL
has coaches that are going to try to outscheme you.
It is your job as a head coach to find

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ways to get you a rush defense or rush offense better.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
He also said in that clip, though, a couple of
the right things, which is, we have to identify a
scheme that our guys are comfortable with and can be
effective about, can be effective with. So that is putting
the onus on himself and the coaching staff to figure
out what do our guys like to run, what are
they good at running? How can we make this easier

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on them? And he also says that we can't just
wait for defenses to see how they're going to play us.
We have to attack defenses. So he said those two things,
which I agree with and I think he's right about,
and I want my coach to say, but I just
don't know if they have the personnel to be able
to do that.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'm just I'm so just done though with hearing, well,
it's very good defense. Yeah, a lot of defenses are good.
They're going to try to take things away. That's the
whole point of this. In the National Football League, it
just can't be well, it's a good defense. Guess what
Denver is a good defense. Detroit did not allow Baltimore

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after the first drive to do much on the ground
last night. That's a good defense. Green Bay. Guess what
good defense? Pittsburgh on paper? Good defense. That can't be
the conversation for the next four weeks. Would you rather
him just call out his players. I'd rather him say
just we have to be better. He did say that
and scheming, but I don't want the crutch anymore of
good defenses.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay, I'm telling you. What he said in that clip
was also, we have to take the attack to defenses
instead of letting them attack us. So he did say
what you're asking him to say. Okay, well, how I
just gave the stats of how long they've been bad
running the back. Correct. I'm with you. That's the point
I'm trying to make is he can keep saying it,
but until it actually happens, and I don't know that

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he's ever gonna be the type of guy who's gonna
throw his players under the bus. But like to me,
I look at it and say, I don't see any
players on the offensive line good enough to feel like
they can establish a scheme. Like there's a handful of
run plays from that game that if you pause it
right as Chase Brown is getting the ball, you're thinking,

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this is gonna be a seven yard game. And by
the time the defense makes contact with the offensive lineman
or the offensive lineman gets to where they're supposed to
be to make their block, it's destroyed because of the
lack of physicality upfront. So like there's times where, like
you see it on film and when the ball is
handed off, it looks like a first down run at

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the bare minimum, But because those dudes get knocked off
their block so frequently that it doesn't work. And so
that's probably difficult for the offense to say and for
the play callers to say, Okay, well we know that,
Like here's this run game, here's this power play, here's
this trap, here's this counter. Everybody is where they're supposed

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to be, except when it comes to the actual block,
they don't block. How do you how do you work around.
That is my question.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
How do the Jacksonville Jaguars go from the worst rushing
team in football last year to the fifth best this year.
It's a great question. I don't know the answer to that.
I would argue coaching. Okay, scheme. They didn't revamp the
whole offensive line in Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
So yesterday we talked about how bad the players are
up front, and now we're talking about how bad the
scheme is.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
The scheme's been The scheme has been tear I've I've
complained about the scheme for seven years.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
No, I understand specifically about the run game. Yes, so,
so which is it?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
They don't have the players, but other teams don't have
all of the personnel either, Okay, they find ways, Like
I think Buffalo is built to run the ball.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
They are.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I think Baltimore, even though they've struggled at running it
right now, is built to run the ball. Philly is
built to run the ball. I don't think Jacksonville was
built that way. I think they have a genius off
offensive coordinator. I think Detroit has built around the mentality
of Dan Campbell. The Colts are, all of a sudden,

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the third best rushing team in football, and Daniel Jones
is the quarterback. I think there's a correlation there. I
think there's a correlation in Tampa. I think there are
offensive line built to run, and I think they're offensive
lines that scheme to run, and I think you see
a mix of those at the top of the National
Football League. Now here's the other interesting Poetate Bengals are
either of those, right, I think that's the problem. They

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don't have personnel and they don't have the ability to scheme,
and all of a sudden, you're the worst running team
in football. And I'm not just saying by barely. They
run the ball for forty nine yards per game on average.
The next lowest is the Pittsburgh Steelers at not sixty three.
It's not like you're a couple yards off. They are
a ways off. Now the other go ahead, Chase Brown.

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Last year, same scheme, mostly the same players, average four
yards per carry.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
So you're blaming Chase.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
No, I'm saying, like, what is the difference If the
scheme and the players are mostly the same, what's the difference?
They have two new guards? Okay, so is it the
players of the scheme?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
All right, well, because like Chase Brown was ten yards
shy of a thousand on the ground. Last year, he
averaged four point three yards per attempt. He had a
successful rushing rate of over fifty two percent, and this
year it's it's all gone south. But I have a hard.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Time believing that the scheme has changed that much. He's
minus fifty four yards before contact.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
I understand that his rush successful rate right now is
thirty four percent.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Orlando Brown Junior, I think has taken another step back.
Carris has been awful, and they they swapped out bad
guards for potentially worst run blocking guards.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Potentially. Yeah, I don't know if you heard it. Yesterday
I issued an apology to Frank Pollack. Is Frank Pollack
was the offensive line go coach and run game coordinator.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
They tried Jim Turner, they tried Frank Pollack. Frank Pollack
people wanted him fired last year. They're trying Scott Peters.
I was one I said Frank Pollack should be fired. Oh,
I mean they were getting four yards a carry for
Chase Brown last year. So the other thought about this
was twelve personnel and how much that can unlock the
running game. This is also what Zach Taylor had to

(10:21):
say when he was asked yesterday about t Higgins and
andre Yochi Vash and the amount of targets they're getting
in a.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Game that you couldn't run effectively if you had six
targets for Jamar, you have two for Tea and none
for andre I explained that.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Well, we were in a lot of twelve personnel, so
twelve personnel and in theory regulates their defense a little
bit based on what we'd seen, so that that Andrea
is subbing in for those other two guys, and that's
not how we're going to play the whole season. That's
sometimes just how you have to play an opponent. And
I think Andrea over the course of seventeen game season
is going to take shape for him. And he's a
guy that's patient, understands his role, appreciate the role that

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he plays for us because a lot of his dirty
stuff that he puts his nose in there and gets
it done, and his opportunities will come and it'll take
shape over the course of this season. And there's nothing
that he's done to minimize his role. That's just the
way that this game has quite out for us, and
yesterday's game.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
The way that fold is why why weren't there a
lot of opportunities for Team Jamar.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
We didn't have a lot of opportunities to get first ounce.
I mean we kept turning the ball over every time
across the fifty yard line, we put the ball on
the ground, we threw the ball to them, so that
minimizes your opportunities.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And then you get late in the game and you know, we're.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Trying different things to just gain some momentium going forward
at that point, and they challenge they do a good job.
I mean, they don't make it easy to get the
ball to Jamaar. I can promise Sho that that's something
they're trying to take away. And same with Tea and
again we just we couldn't find a great rhythm to
be able to get those guys.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
To the ball enough.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Okay, So here's here's my question. We were all on board,
at least I was on board. With twelve personnel made sense.
Two tight ends, more running lanes for Chase Brown, the
ability to set up the play action pass, putting more
pressure on the defense, forcing their hand to either go
big to match the personnel or to go small. And
if they go small, you can power them in the

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running game. If they go big, you have matchups with
your tight ends that you like. The issue that I'm
seeing early on in the season. I assumed, maybe my fault,
that you would still be able to give the heavy
workload from a target standpoint to T. Higgins and Jamar
Chase while still operating predominantly out of twelve personnel, and

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the Bengals tried. We watched film in here yesterday where
the Bengals max protected with eight eight eight players running back,
two tight ends, five linemen with routes with T. Higgins
and Jamar Chase, and they still couldn't protect four with eight.
That's a pass protection problem. I get that. But if

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right now the answer to why they're not getting targets
is you're operating more out of twelve personnel, then let's
call it what it is. Did they make the right
decision in giving T Higgins the contract if you're going
to pay that type of money, which I wanted them
to do because I thought Burrow, Higgins and Chase was
going to be unstoppable. If you're going to pay them

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the money, but you're not going to be able to
target them as much due to twelve personnel. Then, doesn't
that go against what you've built financially?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
I don't know that. First of all, I agree I
want t Higgins here. I have no problem with them
making that decision and choosing to spend the money there.
My biggest issue was that they didn't spend the rest
of their money on offensive lineman. Sure, and while Zach
said twelve personnel, yeah, we're trying to establish the run basically,

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he also brings up a good point that they didn't
have a lot of chances. They had a play, They
had a three drives that were a total of six plays,
and the game was out of hand in those six plays,
essentially fumble return, touchdown, fumble, Minnesota scores, fumble, Minnesota field goal, halftime.

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Game was over then. So there is something to Zach
saying that every time we crossed the fifty or we
couldn't really get anything going. Jamar Chase got a pass
and fumbled.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
They ran three more plays than they did against the
Cleveland Browns in Week one. They ran fifty two plays,
and in that game, Higgins was only targeted the four
times and Chase was targeted the five And you knew
coming back that that wasn't going to be the case.
And then what did they do against Jacksonville? They made
sure that they were going to target their guys. They
came back. Jamar Chase got sixteen targets, caught fourteen of them.

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T Higgins was targeted eight times, but then the very
next game again the targets go down. I don't think
you can pay t Higgins the money you're paying him
and target him the amount of times you're targeting him
that that is not a good financial decision. Is that
specifically going to this Sunday? Is that a Zach Taylor

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problem or is that a Jake Browning problem? Why is
it different with Joe Burrow? I think Joe understands how
important it is to target guys at different points in
the game, like, Hey, I got to get my guy
some targets. I think there is that understanding from a quarterback,
at least my understand I think Joe changes a lot

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of the place. Okay, I think Joe at the line
of scrimmage changes a lot. And I think Jake Browning,
in the role that he is in, is going to
call the play that's that's called in from the sideline.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
So you're saying it's more on Jake Browning.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
I would say it's more on Jake as a backup
coming in and hey, this is the play that's called.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
This is what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Okay, Why why pay t Higgins the amount of money
that you're going to and then target him four times
in a game?

Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't know why invest that money and then don't
protect your quarterback.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
That's why I That's why I'm saying, then the investment
was wrong. If you want to operate out of twelve,
which I'm fine with, but you can't operate out of
twelve and consistently get touches to your guys, then you
shouldn't have paid for both guys.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
I think I disagree with that. Like I have no
problem with them having T Higgins, Like every game is
not going to warrant that he's gonna get fifteen targets,
especially if the bare minimum Jamar gets fifteen.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
At the bare minimum, how many should he get at
least ten? He's not received ten in any game.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I understand that. I understand that. My issue remains that
they did not get adequate players up front to help
the twelve personnel doesn't work, nor does the spread work,
nor does four receivers or five wide receivers work because
they don't have good enough players up front. It's like

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that that is ultimately ultimately my issue. And t Higgins
has a base salary next year of ten million dollars,
so it's not like you know, they're paying him forty
million dollars like they are. Jamar Chase the idea that
that means he or that they couldn't afford other ways

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to the offense changes, I don't know if I agree
with that.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Do you think he needs health needs more targets? Absolutely,
I agree with that, that's my point. I agree with that. However,
I also.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Have no idea what the game plan was or why
they continued doing what they did on Sunday. I mean,
they're I know Minnesota was daring them to run, so
they did. It didn't work.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
But are they and that? But that's the hard point.
They're daring them to they can't.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I don't know how you fix it then correct that issue,
which then worries me on how you're going to keep
the locker room together. Because receivers at any level, high school, college, NFL,
and I can at least speak to this on experience.
If you're not getting your receiver's touches but you're winning,

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it's one thing.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
If your guys aren't getting touches and you're losing games,
good luck keeping things positive, good luck not losing.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
The locker room. Does the fact that they did sign
contract extensions mute that a little bit?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I don't know, because deep down inside, these guys are
all super competitive and they just want to win, and
I don't think you can take that away.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Let's let's finish.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Let's get to the last piece of audio here, because
I thought this was important because it's something I was
shocked at when the second half started. This is what
Zach Taylor had to say about coming out in the
second half of the game against Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Realistically, when that thing at halftime is thirty four to nothing,
we still held that hope coming out in the second half,
trying to put pressure on them to at least score
some points and hold them, and that didn't really happen.
It's the third quarter ensued, and so it's an opportunity.
Let's get some other guys in there and get them
a chance to go out there and plays football.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
We did have three at halftime, one thirty four to nothing.
But my thought at half, when I was sitting there
watching the game, was I'm going to see what the
messages at halftime and what this team has made of
I want to see them come out swinging. I want
to see them come out fighting, regardless of if the

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game is out of hand or not, regardless if it's
a foregone conclusion, if you lose or not. I want
to see this team fight their tailoff. They came out
in the third quarter and I don't agree with what
Zach just said.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I don't think they did that. They ran the ball,
which they couldn't do all day, for a negative run,
and then on second twelve they ran the ball again,
essentially conceding the drive, and then Browning took a sack
on third down, they punted the ball away, and they
proceeded to let Minnesota go seventy four yards and ten
plays and score again.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Back to back runs after you couldn't do it all day.
And he said he was trying to put pressure on
the defense. Yeah, that is nonsense. I don't get it.
I'll come out and say, hey, we wanted to get
out of there. I will say this though, it was
Chase Brown's longest run of the day and the four
yard run on second and twelve, So.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
My thing, it could have been one of two things.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
You'd come out in the second half and you say
we can't afford to get anyone hurt and we're gonna
pull Jamar and t in some of the playmakers. Then
I get it. But if you still got your guys
out there, I want to go down swinging. I want
to say, you know what, screw this. I know the
first half was embarrassing, but watch the fight we show
here in the second half. Yeah, that worried me. The
first two drives of the half terrify me because they

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went three and out after getting punched in the mouth
on offense and then on defense. They allowed Minnesota to
do whatever they wanted for ten plays and seventy four
yards in a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Can I play for you the Dan Pitcher audio please?
This was Dan Pitcher with I think Charlie Goldsmith and
Paul Daanner Junior on the Growler Podcast. Here's what he
had to say about the Bengals physicality on the offensive line.
The lack of physicality that showed up sure in the
run game. Can you fix that? There's different reasons for that, right.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
One could be that you don't have guys that gravitate
towards being physical. I don't believe that that's the case.
Other reasons why a lack of physicality could show up
is just being tentative, not quite sure of the look
that you're getting. You know, when when team brings pressure,
it's not just the player that's pressuring, but it's all
the other players that have to move so that they

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can stay gap sound. That's a lot of movie pieces
and sometimes the result of that is guys playing with hesitation.
But it doesn't necessarily mean it's because guys don't want
to go play with physicality. How do we get our
guys to do that? How do we operate in the
world where they can feel like they can go play
with physicality?

Speaker 4 (22:03):
If that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
So how do they do it? Do you simplify things?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
That, to me is the best example of it's a
coaching problem. How are your guys not prepared for the
different looks that they are going to receive? Correct? Now,
I understand Brian Flores, that's one thing he's notorious for
that but you've seen everything from Jim Schwartz in Cleveland.

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It's not like Jacksonville debuted defense that nobody's ever seen
before like there is. That to me is a complete
lack of preparation, lack of coaching to have the guys
ready to know so that they can play without hesitation,
and the lack of having an answer for it. And
one of the things I've said is slow and soft. Yep,

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you play slow when you're trying to think about what
you're supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's everything we thought about the defense moving to al
Golden simplify things, play faster, play more confidently, play more physical.
That to me sounded like a well, we're trying to
figure it out as we go here, and that can't
be the case. Drastically drastically late here for a break, Well,
we'll do a touch and go. When we get back,
we'll get ourselves back on the clock. Plenty more still
to go. It's the third hour of cinty three to sixty.

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Speaker 8 (23:23):
Whether your tail getting in the parking lot or parked
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Speaker 1 (23:26):
Is back on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's Sports Station.

Speaker 8 (23:31):
Fucking time bomb the bottle.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Somehow trying to get back on the clock here in
our number three time management. Joe Burrow would not be
happy with our time management right now. Get to the
break on time. We're burning, burning timeouts. We're burning touching
ghosts like we're burning timeouts.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
This is unbelievable. We'll be back.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Well, Big baseball news, Huge baseball news.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
We have to get to that.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
And Moe Egger come since he three to sixty ESPN
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Speaker 4 (24:07):
Time turn it, Hey, do you run a small tills?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Cincy three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Welcome back Sincy three sixty hour three. Thanks to Penn Station.
Thank you for listening. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
You know, Austin. Sometimes in the NFL, trades just don't work.
In March, the Houston Texans and Philadelphia Eagles swapped CJ.
Gardner Johnson and Kenyon Green. Yeah, along with draft picks. Uh,

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three weeks have gone by.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
C J.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Garner Johnson was released by the Texans today. Yeah, I'm
pretty sure the Eagles, Kenyan Green was waived. I'm pretty
sure the Eagles waived him and then traded the pick back.
It's somehow got all their picks back. And I bet
I'll almost guarantee you he's gonna sign with the Eagles
CJGJ probably so the Eagles will get out of this

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just stealing.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yep, another steal for the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Speaking of stealing, no more stealing, well, I should say
stealing games. No more umpire steeling umpires.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Finally, Major League Baseball is announced today it will use
the Automated Ball Strike Challenge system during the entire twenty
twenty six sal Each team gets two challenges and can
keep them if they are successful. Challenges can only be
initiated by a pitcher, catcher, or batter, and the request
must come right after first pitch. The player that issues

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the challenge has to tap the top of their head
or the tap of their hat or helmet to let
the umpire know. No help from the dugout and other
players on the field is allowed. In each extra inning,
a team will be awarded a challenge if it has
none remaining entering the ning. And of course it's sponsored
Major League Baseball makes this announcement that the ABS Challenge system,

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powered by T Mobile five G network Come uses cameras
to set up around the perimeter of the field to
track the location of each pitch in. A graphic on
the scoreboard shows the result of the challenge. I saw,
what's that cat's name? Who does? A ESPN? Jeff Passon?
Jeff Passon said that there are on average one thousand

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missed calls per week. How is that possible in Major
League Baseball? Incredible? One thousand miss calls last night? Also,
he posted it the umpire auditor Roberto or Tez missed
twenty five calls last night in the Brewers Padres game.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
So I guess that's how you get to one thousand.
Roberto or Tease himself, no idea what he was looking at. Unbelievable.
Good news, though there's a there's a big college football
weekend ahead. Did you see the announcement made yesterday by
Lane Kiffin's daughter on social media? I did.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
She took to social media yesterday to announce her new relationship,
and it just so happens to be with standout LSU linebacker.
His first name is Will Will. I don't know what
his last name is, but he was all over the
field against Clemson. What do you make of this strategy

(27:33):
to wait until the week in which you play your
dad's team to announce that you, the daughter of the
old misshead coach, is dating the star linebacker for the
LSU Tigers. I think it's pretty funny, it is and
pretty much matches Lane Kiffin. I think it's just like
because I think he's hilarious. If you've seen any of
his like videos with his daughter, they have a great relationship.

(27:55):
So to me, it's like a little bit of business
by her, yeah, because she's offiting off of social media.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Sure. Also just you know, ribbing your dad a little bit, Yeah,
making fun of him. And also a funny thing for
the linebacker as well.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I think it's wit weeks.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Good for him.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
He's got a brother, West Weeks also on the team. Well,
I think jo Burrow is going to be out for
twelve weeks. It's the third brother. It's twelve. Yeah. Also,
this was announcement several we've talked about the severity, the
the the enormous nature in which this three game set

(28:33):
against the Pirates is going to be starting tonight. The
Reds are selling tickets for this home stand starting at
eight dollars for all the games, and they are extending
the three two one deal for the entire series. That's
three dollars beers, two dollars hot dogs, one dollar ice
cream cups, all in an effort to hashtag pack GABP.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Smart move by the Red Legs to do this, get
as many people as you can down to the ballpark.
Obviously their last home stand, so I'm sure they have
plenty of stuff to get rid of. They might have
to reorder for the A NLDS. Oh yeah, but yeah,
I'm ready to go. Man, I'm excited to go tonight.
I have the Tuesday Pass And so how it works

(29:13):
if you don't know, is they'll send you a message
at nine am with a link, and you go to
the link and it says yes, I'm coming to the
game or no, I'm not coming to the game, and
then three hours before the game, they'll send you your ticket.
And so I go on to do it as I do.
I have had for every Tuesday. I tap on the
button and it sends me into a waiting room. It

(29:35):
says I'm the eighty seventh person in Loah. It has
never done that before. Okay, So I don't know if
it's just hey, they want to prevent, you know, the
system from crashing, or I don't know, but hopefully it
means more people are coming to the game too. I
hope there is more people at the game.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
And so from what I've seen, the weather seems like
it's gonna be okay. Yeah, I think the weather's gonna
move out. Was originally supposed to rain. I think tomorrow
is still gonna be some rain. But tonight I think
is gonna be okay.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I don't see as of right now anything else on
the radar until like three in the morning.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's going to be comfortable too, Yeah, cloudy seventy four
at first pitch.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, come on. Also, I told you before we move
on to quick hits and everything, you've been in the
studio that I'm in a couple of times today I
was searching for full Bengals games from two thousand and
four to watch on YouTube Rudy because of Rudy Johnson,
and I did not know that the full two thousand

(30:33):
and four Monday Night football game between the Bengals and
the Broncos. Ironically enough, from October of four is on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Rudy one hundred nineteen yards on the ground that day,
including like a thirty yard touchdown run, Chad Johnson's seven
for a buck forty nine and a fifty yard touchdown.
First this was two thousand and four. It was the
first time there was a Monday night game in Cincinnati
since nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, and uh, it was just awesome.

(31:02):
First Monday night game at Paul Brown Stadium. Al Michaels
and John Madden on the call. Carson's first year as
a starting quarterback. Just really cool. I've been watching the
whole thing. It's literally been three hours and twenty five
minutes on YouTube. Right now I'm watching. He's showing Bob
brat Kowski in the booth. You know who's standing behind
him as an assistant? Who Paul Gunther.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Wow, they started with a They were one and four
going into that game.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
They were one at eight and eight. They were one
and four going into that game. Yeah, going up against
the number one defense in the NFL. How about that
smoked twenty three to ten.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Little foreshadowing Meg dub all right, Moweger's standing by. He
had Oakley Greens today I think so, yes he is.
We'll talk to Mo when we returned. Quick Hits next
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three sixty Quick Kits on ESBN fifteen.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, it's Quick Kits and it's Tuesday, which means we
take quick Kits out on the road with Mowager, who
is at Oakley Greens getting ready for his show. He
joins us, Now, what's.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Up, Mel?

Speaker 8 (33:13):
How are we doing? Fellas?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I'm great. How are you doing well?

Speaker 8 (33:16):
I'm doing well. Let's gorgeous out here. It's gonna be
a great afternoon here at Oakley Greens, a great place.
I know you were here for the Bengals game on Sunday.
You know there's a lot going on. If you're thinking, man,
I want to watch the Reds game tonight, you could
watch it here at Oakley Greens. Or or perhaps maybe
if you're thinking, god, i'd like to help pack GABP

(33:37):
I might be able to help you with that.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Oh I just got to come to Oakley Greens. Oh wow,
how about that?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Outside of that, what do you got coming up on
the show.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
You guys were just talking about watching Rudy Johnson in
two thousand and four that there are certain like athlete
deaths that hit hard. That one hit me this morning. Yeah,
I love those teams in the mid two thousands. Yeah,
like those those that stretch of time four to five
maybe first part of six. Look, man, going to the
Super Bowl a couple of years ago was awesome. There

(34:08):
was nothing in this town like that stretch oh four
and o five nothing nothing, And uh, when you think
of those teams, you think of four guys and you
think of their first names, Carson, Chad, TJ and Rudy,
and Rudy passing at the age of forty five is
just beyond tragic. So Paul Danner Junior is gonna be here. Uh,
we're gonna talk about Rudy a little bit. My favorite

(34:30):
all time Rudy Johnson game came in two thousand and
three when he carried it forty three times against the
Houston Texans. And then Paul and I are going to
talk about, you know, some of the issues plaguing the Bengals.
You know, you know, uh, Brian Callahan not gonna call
the plays anymore. In Tennessee. You're allowed to recuse yourself

(34:51):
if you will of play calling responsibilities. Well, obviously get
your set for Reds and Pirates. The Great Terrence Mora
is gonna join us. Terrence is a guy who's been
around our show before. He's written a book about the Reds.
We'll chat with him coming up at four h five.
Our guy Sean sayat Stats and Scheme news letter at
five twenty. And Tito Francona is making a decision that
I hope pays off. I fear that it won't. We'll

(35:14):
get to that this afternoon as well. Plus Scott Saderfield
talk today. We could just said four U.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
S and campas Abs system coming to Major League Baseball
next year.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
You're happy about that one hundred percent.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
Look I'm the anti replay guy. I'm the guy who says, look,
let's just let the human beings make the calls. Players
or games played by humans should be officiated by humans.
But we're not there. That's not gonna happen. So if
you're gonna add things to the sport like added replay
or like added challenges, it cannot be intrusive. I saw

(35:44):
this implemented during spring training. Games I went to back
in March. It's as unintrusive as anything. It's quick. It's
the same as tennis. Yeah, if you've ever watched or
been to the Cincinnati Open, or you watch the US
Open or a Major or whatever, you see how they
use this. It is very quick. It is very good.
I am a huge proponent of this.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Did you catch yourself at all last night watching Monday
night football and wondering what sport is this that I'm watching?

Speaker 8 (36:11):
It's funny. The three of us were on a text
thread and Tony, you and I have the same contribution
to the text. This looks like a different sport in
terms of intensity, Yeah, in terms of scheme, in terms
of execution, like, that was a great sporting event. Last
that was a great football game. The team that I
wanted to win one. We thought that game was going

(36:34):
to be fun and it lived up to the hype.
But I saw with both teams, specifically Detroit, especially close
to the goal line, creativity in the run game.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, huh.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Does any team take on their head coach more you
think than the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
No?

Speaker 8 (36:50):
And I made fun of him, dude, like when he
got the job and they were on hard knocks and
he's talking about biting mees. I'm like, yeah, okay, wwf
figure coaching football like this guy is what a football
coach is like in the movies, and football coaches and
movies aren't like football coaches in real life. Could not

(37:11):
have been more wrong. You're exactly right. And what I
love about him is it doesn't feel to me like
he's playing a character. No, right, right, Like I think
Mike Tomlin's playing a character sometimes. Mike Tomlin's a terrific coach.
He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. You know,
he's never had a losing season. But like, I don't
get the Dan Campbell's playing a character. I think Bill

(37:31):
Belichick sometimes is playing a character. They don't love the
character right now in Chapel Hill, But I Dan Campbell,
I just you get the sense that is him. You
get the sense the players will do anything for him
and really excited to have that team come here on
the heels of scoring ninety points over the last two
games combined.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Do you think Jim Harball plays a character sometimes?

Speaker 8 (37:52):
I dokay, one hundred percent because I remember him as
a player and he wasn't weird right now. You know,
people get older, they get weirder. I can be accused
of that, but yeah, I do. I think like when
Jim Harball was a player, he was on safe by
the bell, like he was captain comeback. He was kind
of a likable guy, and then like now as a coach,

(38:13):
he's I think he's totally.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Playing a character. Do you think Mike Gundy was a character?

Speaker 8 (38:18):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Do you think Mike Gundy was a character?

Speaker 8 (38:21):
I do? I'm not sure I do. How many people
tweeted what I tweeted when he got let go, I'm fired.
I'm a man, I'm fired. Yeah that felt like, yeah,
it has been able now for a while. Right Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Lastly, out let me ask you this, our conversation.

Speaker 8 (38:43):
Stayed a good job.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I don't know, not right now.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I don't think so Boom pikets money. Now that's also true.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Uh, you and I had a conversation yesterday about what
Dan Graziano had to say about Kirk Cousins and the
Bengals need to add him. The Giants move on from
Russell Wilson today. They're going with Jackson Dart. They have
Russell Wilson as the backup listed right now. I saw
Joe Goodbarry post earlier today. If you could find a
way to make a deal and get Russell Wilson, it
would cost you two million dollars from a salary standpoint.

(39:10):
Is that something you'd be willing to do if you're
the Bengals.

Speaker 8 (39:13):
I'm gonna try to talk like Russell Wilson. Okay, I
wouldn't make that trade for Russell Wilson. That's the cadence
that he talks with whenever he says anything like when
he goes to dinner, Yeah, I'll have a hamburger with
pickles on the side.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I'm gonna throw the ball to t Higgins.

Speaker 8 (39:32):
Yeah, I would absolutely love to come to Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
He was born here. People forget that's right.

Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah, that's how he talks.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah, Like to me, the question isn't is he better
than Jake Browning? It's is he better than Brett Rippin?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I think so? So then why not let's do it?
Then you had it?

Speaker 8 (39:53):
Then why not go and make a trade for Russell Wilson?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Can you do so of your show like that? Today?

Speaker 8 (40:00):
I will try to do my show just like that
from Oh Good, ask Paul that question in that cadence
from the athletic is gonna be here in a few minutes.
My favorite thing that Russell Wilson does is when he
was good with the Seahawks, he would do like the
postgame interview on the field with the football like under

(40:22):
his arms, like he would carry a stack of books
in high school, but you know he was he would
take on the pose of like, you know, the high
school football hero with the ball under his arm. And
then he would do the interview with Melissa's star character
and he's like, Melissa, we just improved US seven and two,
and next week we're gonna play the San Francisco forty nine.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I love it. Thanks Mo, Thanks Mo. I have a
great show.

Speaker 8 (40:45):
Guys, it was great to be on with you on
Cincy three sixty.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Mo will Well, he'll be in attendance tonight, Austin, You're
gonna be an attendant.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
I'll be there.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Our guy Mike said get there tonight. If he could
be there, he would, So you're coming, then, Tom, I can't.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Be there tonight.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Oh it's the kids man Shocker Picture Day, Picture Week.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
We gottack one or whatever.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Since E three six esp more important than kids in
that East sports station, have a great rest of your Tuesday,
Go Reds and go Cubs

Speaker 4 (41:22):
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