April 9, 2025 • 9 mins
Mike from LA called the guys to share his story of being in prison and what he learned, on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He goes and swung off by ramos Hip the right field.
(00:02):
There goes Freiley back to the warning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Track, reaching up and making the catch. A miracle catch
by Jake Frayley as he dives and falls down on
the warning track, up against the padding in a very
deep part of right field. He saves the run and
ends the inning.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Man, Jake Frayley, you bring will Benson back to the
clubhouse a little competition, Jake Frayley says, not today, Willie Beaman.
Jake Frayley had a great game last night. That catch
paired with a couple hits at the plate. That's a
good good night for Jake Frayley at the ballpark. Speaking
(00:42):
of good night, there's a good day happening right now.
It's Wednesday at the Masters. It's the par three challenge.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
For me.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's awesome because you kind of get to see these
guys more as than just golfers. Saw video Jordan Speith
his son, his young son hitting a T shot. There's
an important there's an interest team look going on Austin.
If you're watching any of the Master's coverage, Uh, Cam
Smith is playing today in like a full suit. He's
(01:09):
got like dressed pants on with a like suit jacket
unbuttoned of course, but the suit jacket's an interesting look.
At the Masters, even if it is a Wednesday, I
think Cam looks pretty good, sharp sharp look. He must
have a business meeting after the uh, the the the
eighteen that he's playing, or the nine, however many they
play today on Wednesday at the Masters. It looks beautiful there.
(01:29):
The weather is awesome, awesome stuff. We'll talk Masters tomorrow
a little bit as well. We'll get back to the
Reds in just a second. We'll talk about the offense.
We'll hear from Terry Francona. Before any of that, though,
We've we've got Mike calling, and uh, I think a
lot of people are interested in what he's got to
say today.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Mike, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Oh yeah, Transparency can really bother people sometime, Mike, transparency
and then when you give them a little well, I
don't know, maybe misjudges man shut off. You know, I
don't care what you think.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
People.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
People were blowing up the social media timelines yesterday after
you spoke with Mo. They want more of the backstory,
They want to know more about what happened. And I said, well,
that's on Mike if he ever wants to indulge in
or divulge into to what happened. But uh, you were
you were quite the news story over night, Mike.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Mike, we lost Mike, We lost Mike. Oh boy, now
that's twice. Now that his call has dropped.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Maybe Mike doesn't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It, and if see if this should be him.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But are you back, Mike.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, I don't know what's going on. And my call
failed twice in the last few minutes and I don't
know why.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
All good, All good? What's up? Mike?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Very rare? Just I'm in the middle of something important
while I'm talking nonsense. Good. See. So anyway I get
back from NOM. I got wounded pretty bad. I told
you about that, and I got addicted to the pain.
That's in my real early twenties. You know. Finally I
got over that years and years ago. But when I
(03:11):
got out IF, my dad helped me get a job
out of GE and even Dale had the big planted
aircraft engine group, so I had a great job. Or
I was on cloud nine. Met my wife to be
slipped over him out in Anderson, and GE offered me
a transfer out to LA After being with him for
a year, and I said, yeah, I'll go. They paid
my move and I was this hourly, but they paid
(03:33):
my move. That was back in the day when you
had an employee savings program. You could put in nine
percent of your gross and they'd match it in the
employee But those days are going anyway. I was riding high,
bought my first house. They had a pool and all
that stuff, and so I did. I have a lawyer
buddy out, their young lawyer, and he's telling me, you know,
there's those ways you can work this tax thing. You know,
(03:55):
I've been doing it for years. I've never gotten any trouble.
So I said, yeah, let's go for a bob, you
know man. So turn enough, I got caught and the
first time I'd ever been in trouble for anything, never
have since then. Wow, And the judge gave me a
year and a day. And so that's how they do
some of these minor felonies. That's the cult. Uh. And
(04:19):
so I got sent down to Ashland, Kentucky, to the
federal prison camp. There's no fences around it or anything.
You can walk away if you want to. They am
all over the country because they know if you walk away,
you'll end up getting yourself get sent back and sure
front of skateuitars. So that's that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I never knew that.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That's what Oh. I well, I don't blab it around.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'm glad you guys.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I'm glad the listeners know. Now what happened to your lawyer?
Did he get in trouble too?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Nope? Never did Never, he went on to be super SI. No,
I didn't implicate him. There's no way I was going
to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He didn't make me do it.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
He suggested I do it. He didn't make me put
a gun to my head. And he was a good guy.
I still talked to him all the time. Wow, great
Dutch family, pretty wonderful gun. Uh So so anyway, yeah,
the uh, I know how it came up. Last night
Moe was telling somebody about the home dog strategy.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yes, and it's been successful.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So I said, well, I can't take credit pool credit
for it because I learned it from an whole Italian
racketeer from Detroit who was my bunky.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It was like college doors where he had a cube
and he had a bunk and a lower bunk and
you come and go there's no doors on the huge
or anything. It's all open air. It's you know, it's
not even like being it's more like being in and
uh in one of those camps like you went to
in college, probably where you go for your meals, you know.
(05:54):
And they had all kinds of school. They had a
little golf for a little mini golf course out there town.
So it wasn't that me And.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Did your did your bunk? Did does he know anything
about the whereabouts of Jimmy Hoffa?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
No? I never. This guy was something else. Let me
tell you. His name was Vito Jackaloney. He was he
was He had been in and out of prison for
thirty years. He was in he was in with the mafia,
uh and Detroit, and he was the most mild mannered
guy you'd ever wanted to be, a very handsome guy,
you know. The older Italian man had a wood look
(06:32):
on the knee down. Never did tell me how that happened.
Moe was just astounded that I didn't know more about
this guy. And but Mo doesn't know. When you go
into places like that, you automatically ask people's advice on
how to act that had been there, so that you
can make sense, right, that's what a sharp prudent person
would do. Well. One of the golden rules in any
(06:55):
of those places is you don't just barge in and say, hey, well,
what are you in here for? That? You can get
your butt kicked for that, Yeah, because you you haven't.
You haven't armed to know about somebody's personal life. We
don't know him for a week or two. And then
as you ease into your relationship with that person because
you sleep in the same bunk and stuff the same bunk,
(07:19):
then you start talking. And some guys are real chatty,
some guys aren't. So then we started talking about different
things and never really talked much about his cases. He
was ready to get out for the final time over
all these years when he's been hit and out. And
then he shared the home dog theory with me, and
I started practicing him when I was there because I
(07:39):
had the time. So sorry to take up all your time,
but that's the story.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, I appreciate you for sharing, Mike.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean it's it wasn't fun. I mean, it's
not fun, but I eventually got the thing expunge and
off my record, it's never never hindered me in any way. Sure,
as far as the job or or anything. I was
on probation for two years when I got out, which
is kind of standard, and I would go down to
(08:08):
Covington to the federal probation office there and you go
like once a month for a while, and then they
then you come and go like maybe every three months
and then every six months as they go to trust
you and though that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So, hey, are the bank go ahead?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh? Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I hate to get off the subject that I'm and
guying to ask you guys, So are the Bengals resolved?
I know they're not resolved. They're not saying what their
first draft picked is. But but didn't you tell me
that as they should be able to get tea Hot
Campbell or he thinks they should.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yesterday we talked about it a little bit because mel
Kiper's mock draft had them getting g Hot Tampbell at
number seventeen, and it brought up the conversation about how
good of a fit that he would be with the
Cincinnati Bengals and kind of encompassing what they need. But yeah,
I think a lot of people would have him on
the radar at number seventeen.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
That sounds good to me. So maybe maybe I get
I'll get lucky and I was right about something for
a change or anyway, I gotta go, Thanks Mike, pull
these things out of my arm. So see you later.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Thanks Mike, Yes, thank you, thank you. There we go. Yeah,
ask can you get answers? When Mike was locked up incarcerated?
Now we know we get a break in. I don't
know how we transition back from that to the Reds,
but we're going to talk about the Reds offense when
(09:38):
we get back what they got going on today in
little Terry Francona all still to come since he three
sixty thanks to Skyline Chili on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Hey, it's Maleger having p
He goes and swung off by ramos Hip the right field.
(00:02):
There goes Freiley back to the warning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Track, reaching up and making the catch. A miracle catch
by Jake Frayley as he dives and falls down on
the warning track, up against the padding in a very
deep part of right field. He saves the run and
ends the inning.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Man, Jake Frayley, you bring will Benson back to the
clubhouse a little competition, Jake Frayley says, not today, Willie Beaman.
Jake Frayley had a great game last night. That catch
paired with a couple hits at the plate. That's a
good good night for Jake Frayley at the ballpark. Speaking
(00:42):
of good night, there's a good day happening right now.
It's Wednesday at the Masters. It's the par three challenge.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
For me.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's awesome because you kind of get to see these
guys more as than just golfers. Saw video Jordan Speith
his son, his young son hitting a T shot. There's
an important there's an interest team look going on Austin.
If you're watching any of the Master's coverage, Uh, Cam
Smith is playing today in like a full suit. He's
(01:09):
got like dressed pants on with a like suit jacket
unbuttoned of course, but the suit jacket's an interesting look.
At the Masters, even if it is a Wednesday, I
think Cam looks pretty good, sharp sharp look. He must
have a business meeting after the uh, the the the
eighteen that he's playing, or the nine, however many they
play today on Wednesday at the Masters. It looks beautiful there.
(01:29):
The weather is awesome, awesome stuff. We'll talk Masters tomorrow
a little bit as well. We'll get back to the
Reds in just a second. We'll talk about the offense.
We'll hear from Terry Francona. Before any of that, though,
We've we've got Mike calling, and uh, I think a
lot of people are interested in what he's got to
say today.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Mike, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Oh yeah, Transparency can really bother people sometime, Mike, transparency
and then when you give them a little well, I
don't know, maybe misjudges man shut off. You know, I
don't care what you think.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
People.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
People were blowing up the social media timelines yesterday after
you spoke with Mo. They want more of the backstory,
They want to know more about what happened. And I said, well,
that's on Mike if he ever wants to indulge in
or divulge into to what happened. But uh, you were
you were quite the news story over night, Mike.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Mike, we lost Mike, We lost Mike. Oh boy, now
that's twice. Now that his call has dropped.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Maybe Mike doesn't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It, and if see if this should be him.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But are you back, Mike.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, I don't know what's going on. And my call
failed twice in the last few minutes and I don't
know why.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
All good, All good? What's up? Mike?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Very rare? Just I'm in the middle of something important
while I'm talking nonsense. Good. See. So anyway I get
back from NOM. I got wounded pretty bad. I told
you about that, and I got addicted to the pain.
That's in my real early twenties. You know. Finally I
got over that years and years ago. But when I
(03:11):
got out IF, my dad helped me get a job
out of GE and even Dale had the big planted
aircraft engine group, so I had a great job. Or
I was on cloud nine. Met my wife to be
slipped over him out in Anderson, and GE offered me
a transfer out to LA After being with him for
a year, and I said, yeah, I'll go. They paid
my move and I was this hourly, but they paid
(03:33):
my move. That was back in the day when you
had an employee savings program. You could put in nine
percent of your gross and they'd match it in the
employee But those days are going anyway. I was riding high,
bought my first house. They had a pool and all
that stuff, and so I did. I have a lawyer
buddy out, their young lawyer, and he's telling me, you know,
there's those ways you can work this tax thing. You know,
(03:55):
I've been doing it for years. I've never gotten any trouble.
So I said, yeah, let's go for a bob, you
know man. So turn enough, I got caught and the
first time I'd ever been in trouble for anything, never
have since then. Wow, And the judge gave me a
year and a day. And so that's how they do
some of these minor felonies. That's the cult. Uh. And
(04:19):
so I got sent down to Ashland, Kentucky, to the
federal prison camp. There's no fences around it or anything.
You can walk away if you want to. They am
all over the country because they know if you walk away,
you'll end up getting yourself get sent back and sure
front of skateuitars. So that's that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I never knew that.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That's what Oh. I well, I don't blab it around.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'm glad you guys.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I'm glad the listeners know. Now what happened to your lawyer?
Did he get in trouble too?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Nope? Never did Never, he went on to be super SI. No,
I didn't implicate him. There's no way I was going
to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He didn't make me do it.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
He suggested I do it. He didn't make me put
a gun to my head. And he was a good guy.
I still talked to him all the time. Wow, great
Dutch family, pretty wonderful gun. Uh So so anyway, yeah,
the uh, I know how it came up. Last night
Moe was telling somebody about the home dog strategy.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yes, and it's been successful.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So I said, well, I can't take credit pool credit
for it because I learned it from an whole Italian
racketeer from Detroit who was my bunky.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It was like college doors where he had a cube
and he had a bunk and a lower bunk and
you come and go there's no doors on the huge
or anything. It's all open air. It's you know, it's
not even like being it's more like being in and
uh in one of those camps like you went to
in college, probably where you go for your meals, you know.
(05:54):
And they had all kinds of school. They had a
little golf for a little mini golf course out there town.
So it wasn't that me And.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Did your did your bunk? Did does he know anything
about the whereabouts of Jimmy Hoffa?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
No? I never. This guy was something else. Let me
tell you. His name was Vito Jackaloney. He was he
was He had been in and out of prison for
thirty years. He was in he was in with the mafia,
uh and Detroit, and he was the most mild mannered
guy you'd ever wanted to be, a very handsome guy,
you know. The older Italian man had a wood look
(06:32):
on the knee down. Never did tell me how that happened.
Moe was just astounded that I didn't know more about
this guy. And but Mo doesn't know. When you go
into places like that, you automatically ask people's advice on
how to act that had been there, so that you
can make sense, right, that's what a sharp prudent person
would do. Well. One of the golden rules in any
(06:55):
of those places is you don't just barge in and say, hey, well,
what are you in here for? That? You can get
your butt kicked for that, Yeah, because you you haven't.
You haven't armed to know about somebody's personal life. We
don't know him for a week or two. And then
as you ease into your relationship with that person because
you sleep in the same bunk and stuff the same bunk,
(07:19):
then you start talking. And some guys are real chatty,
some guys aren't. So then we started talking about different
things and never really talked much about his cases. He
was ready to get out for the final time over
all these years when he's been hit and out. And
then he shared the home dog theory with me, and
I started practicing him when I was there because I
(07:39):
had the time. So sorry to take up all your time,
but that's the story.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, I appreciate you for sharing, Mike.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean it's it wasn't fun. I mean, it's
not fun, but I eventually got the thing expunge and
off my record, it's never never hindered me in any way. Sure,
as far as the job or or anything. I was
on probation for two years when I got out, which
is kind of standard, and I would go down to
(08:08):
Covington to the federal probation office there and you go
like once a month for a while, and then they
then you come and go like maybe every three months
and then every six months as they go to trust
you and though that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So, hey, are the bank go ahead?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh? Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I hate to get off the subject that I'm and
guying to ask you guys, So are the Bengals resolved?
I know they're not resolved. They're not saying what their
first draft picked is. But but didn't you tell me
that as they should be able to get tea Hot
Campbell or he thinks they should.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yesterday we talked about it a little bit because mel
Kiper's mock draft had them getting g Hot Tampbell at
number seventeen, and it brought up the conversation about how
good of a fit that he would be with the
Cincinnati Bengals and kind of encompassing what they need. But yeah,
I think a lot of people would have him on
the radar at number seventeen.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
That sounds good to me. So maybe maybe I get
I'll get lucky and I was right about something for
a change or anyway, I gotta go, Thanks Mike, pull
these things out of my arm. So see you later.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Thanks Mike, Yes, thank you, thank you. There we go. Yeah,
ask can you get answers? When Mike was locked up incarcerated?
Now we know we get a break in. I don't
know how we transition back from that to the Reds,
but we're going to talk about the Reds offense when
(09:38):
we get back what they got going on today in
little Terry Francona all still to come since he three
sixty thanks to Skyline Chili on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Hey, it's Maleger having p
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