April 23, 2025 • 25 mins
Tony and Austin provide a comprehensive breakdown of the NFL Draft with James Rapien of Bengals Talk SI on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, here we go our three Cincy three sixty
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on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's get right
to it. Let's talk some Cincinnati Bengals. Let's do so
with the man himself, James Rapine. Who's joining us right now? James?
What's going on? How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Out, Tea Pike? I'm great? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
James? Look before we even get going, with the draft
coming up tomorrow and all weekend and everything that's going
to come after that, what's the easiest way for folks
to follow along with all your coverage of the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh boy, old boy, there's gonna be a lot of
coverage of Bengals at Bengalstalk dot com. Right now, there
is a full sixth round predictive mock what I think
the Bengals will do all weekend thought at Bengals Talk
dot Com right now, the Lockdown Bengals podcast and Cincinnati
Bengals Talk on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Let's just let's cut right to it, James, why do
the Bengals need to draft Colston Loveland at number seventeen?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, you tell me, Tony, you're the quarterback. You don't
think that Colston Loveland isn't a perfect fit for the
Cincinnati Bengals. You may be in denial like a lot
of Cincinnati I'm like a lot of Bengals fans that
have focused on that declaration that I've made. But he's
one of the best prospects in the draft, and if
he's there at seventeen, he certainly needs to be in
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the mix. And I think I think he will be
in the mix. Whether or not the Bengals taken that's
a different conversation, but I do think if he's there
at seventeen, we have a discussion.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
James.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
One of our talkbackers asked us to ask you, are
you anti drafting defense? Because you seem to be always
on board with the offense. Are you anti defense?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
No. In fact, my Big Six which was released last week,
if you look at that and you pay attention to that,
and I'm sure the talkbacker did. While you see Johad
Campbell there and Derek Harmon there and Walter Nolan there,
and you see nick Emon Worry there as well. So
you're talking about four of the six are defense anti defense. No,
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I am pro player and if this draft has a
really often tight end that's there at seventeen, I'm not
going to say, oh, you know what, the Bengals should
take Mike Green out of Marshall when I don't think
that he's one of the top six players the Bengals
could potentially draft. Colston Loveland is a better prospect than
Mike Green.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Is Colston Lovelin to accept that? In some aret is
the idea of Colston Loveland? Is it to give Burrow
another weapon at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Day, persually, Yeah, and it's it's too like what they
did last year with Eric All. It would do that,
but it would do it to a much much higher level.
And not that he's going to be an elite NFL
blocker right away, but he could play in.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Line some and he's an elite runner, a buy end playmaker,
someone that he is going to give Joe Burrow another weapon,
and he's never had that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
With a guy that can play in line at tight end,
and so he's taken snaps from Drew Sample Mike Kasicki's
being resigned doesn't really impact things one way or another
from my mind. And when it comes to the tight
end room, so yeah, I mean, I think he would
take this offense to a level that we really haven't
seen because they've never they've never had that. And then
of course it does give Joe Burrow another answer to
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the test. And if you give a guy like that
another answer, it's it's tough to argue.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I go back constantly to Joe Burrow and the money
that was obviously spent on t Higgins and Jamar Chase,
and you know, I look at you know, is there
any single prospect that is going to overcome and help
this team if Joe Burrow doesn't play seventeen games? Which
makes me come back to the guard position that is
still not been addressed for the Cincinnati Bengals. Do you
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feel that the Bengals feel like that it can be
addressed with the personnel they have and a new offensive
line coach, or do you believe that the guard market
in this draft isn't just good enough to use that
seventeenth pick on because I struggle coming back and saying
I need number nine protected more than I need anything
else on the roster.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Sure, I get that, I totally get that. I mean,
if if it were me, I probably would have already
had Kevin Zeitler here and convinced insert whatever left guard
to come. Maybe it's just as simple as getting Kevin
Zeitler and that's it, and then you have right guar
short up. You can draft one or not. But yeah,
I don't really I don't understand why they didn't go
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get a proven guy when they were so proactive about
moving on from Alex Kappa. I was like, makes sense,
they should cut Alex Kapa, but after that they should
their first edition, potentially in free agency, should be a guard,
a proven guard. So we're not having this conversation because really,
no matter who they draft at guard over the next
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few days, you're gonna be all, You're still not gonna
be like, Okay, it's settled, Like Tyler Booker, like, let's
just say they take the number one guard on Dame
Brugler's board and on a lot of these NFL teams board.
He had an awful pre draft process. He's probably not
the athlete that you truly want there, and so is
that going to lead to him struggling at times? Do
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they go with Calvin Beggs junior, who's not going to
be there when they pick tomorrow night, but let's just
say he is, Well, there's some projection there because he
wasn't a guard in college and so it may take
him a little bit of time. Josh Simmons I think
could be a really good guard, but it's coming off
of an injury. And so, yeah, regardless of who you
look at Tate Ratlich that has had multiple injuries and
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is a bit older of a prospect, there are guys
that they can get that you like as prospects, but
they might not hit the ground running as NFL players,
And that's what kind of stinks, And deep down, I'm
still hoping they go get a brand and shurf in
free agency after the draft. Even if they do doubled in,
it doesn't mean that you have to have those rookies start.
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You can get a proven guy in free agency.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Among those players that are constantly being mocked to the Bengals.
Are there any of them that you think can immediately
hit the ground running, because you know, Duke Tobin said
this week that he doesn't anticipate the Bengals absorbing a
bunch of rookie starters. Guys are going to contribute that
much as rookies, which is a little bit concerning. I mean,
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outside of the Coaston Loveland idea, are any of those
guys guys that can actually come in and can tribute
day one hit the ground running?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, I think so. I think there are a bunch
of guys that can do that. I think Walter Nolan
would do that. I'm not sure he's going to be
there tomorrow, but certainly someone that contributes. I think that
Derek Harman is again someone that they need and you know,
on the interior of their pass rush, getting a guy
that can hold up against the run. I think both
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of those guys can do that and then give you
some juice to get after opposing quarterbacks. Those guys are
going to get snaps. There's no doubt about it. They're
going to get snaps. The same thing goes for this
edge class. Now, this is what's interesting to me about
it because a lot of people are going to say
James Pierce Junior. A lot of people are going to
say Mike Green, and I think they're different. I think
Mike Green is a much better prospect than James Pearce Jr.
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James Pierce Junior might blow away when the winds pick
up at pay Course Stadium and they need someone that's
going to be able to hold up against the run.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
If you're taking him seventeenth, overall, that's not going to
be the case.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
He's going to be a very situational type guy. I
don't want that at seventeen. If he's there in round two, great.
I would be open to James christ Junior because there's
a lot to like. Mike Green's a little different. I
would consider him at seventeen. I'm not as high on
him as a lot of people are, but I do
think he would contribute. And it's because they need juice
there and so guard whoever they take, whether it's round
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one or round three, needs to be able to contribute
right away, needs to be able to battle for a
starting job right away, and you better feel confident that
they can win the starting job right away. I never
felt that way about Jackson Carmen from the moment I
found out hours before the draft that they were eyeing
him to training camp to any time in between. And
obviously he didn't start for the Bengals. So they need
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to find that. Wherever they find it, they better find it.
And then they need to find guys that can contribute
as pass rushers. Maybe not start, that's fine. I kind
of think their starting defensive line is essentially in place,
but it's a rotation, and so can you get guys
that can come in and make an impact. I agree
with you, they need that. I don't really care about
starters necessarily, Like if they draft the safety Nickimn Warry,
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if they draft him, he'd better be on the field,
and I think he will be because he's a playmaker.
Johi Campbell will start if he is taken by the Bengals,
and I think it would make a huge impact, barring
his health as well.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Is that ultimately the difference between Al Golden and louis
an arumo because the other thing Tobin said is that
they're rebuilding the defense under Al's vision is part of that.
Because Anna Rumo was less likely to trust and play
the young players and Al Golden is and just the
importance of the development of the guys already on the
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roster and the guys they're going to draft. Is that
a big part of it?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I think so. Yeah. I think that's why they they
haven't added as much as we would like in free agency,
is they want to make sure they get guys that
fit fits Al Golden's vision. Now, part of that is
is the way they structured and handled the Jamar and
t stuff and the way they structure and go about
business in general. But that aside, I think from a
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football standpoint, yeah, they didn't force it in free agency
with veterans because they want to get guys that Golden
sees as guys that are going to help right now.
And by the way, if you gave him truth here
him and he might not even need the truth serum
he needs it. This defense is not there yet. They
need guys that are going to come in and make plays,
and so who does he think fits? They need alignment
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because they didn't have it on Dax Hill. That's the
prime example. I've been so bullish on Dax's Hill half
the fan base since he's a bust. I don't think
he's anywhere close to that, But clearly Loo didn't trust him.
Lou didn't believe in him and wasn't willing to find
ways to get him on the field in twenty twenty
two as a rookie, and that continued as far as
the not believing in him over the past couple of
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years until he moved a corner and it started to
figure it out there. So I think, for example, if
they take Nicki mcmorry or if they take sha Hot Campbell,
the vision has to be aligned. There has to be
a path to get that guy six to eight hundred
snaps right away, regardless of what Genostone does. Even if
Genostone has ten picks, doesn't matter. You need to be
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able to get your first rounder on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
How would you prioritize the top three needs for this
team offensively and defensively together? Let's just say that the
draft falls perfectly. How are you targeting if you're the
GM of the Bengals, the positions of need in the
top three for you and Lovel's tight end, running back
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and wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, the funny thing is that I've done zero homework
on the receivers in this class. Then they take one
in the ground six and I love done zero homework
on them, which is not the norm for me. As
you guys know, Number one is guard. It's obviously their
biggest need, and it sucks. It's annoying that it's the case.
I thought free agency they were really in position and
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free agency to shore up guard and to end it
and to get two guys if they like, if they
truly wanted to get two guys that could be starters
and then just boom completely clear out that need, they
could do that, and instead they just got guys that
can battle.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
I don't for the starting job with a rookie like okay, like.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't not like, I don't dislike Cody Ford, I
don't dislike Lucas Patrick. But still certainly a need for
the Cincinnati Bengals and the biggest need going into tomorrow's draft,
and then after that, I think saying a specific position
it's kind of tough because to me, it's pass rush
or defensive playmaker like easther one is just such a knee.
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But I'll go with pass rush because I think you
could argue that the interior would be great and to
grab an interior rusher at the same time. I think
Chris Jenkins is going to play better with a guy
a true nose tackle and TJ. Slayton with him, and
so would he take a step where you don't feel
as as bad about your interior pass rush? Maybe, but
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I don't care. I need it somewhere, And the same
thing goes with that, josepho Sier Miles Murphy. Maybe they
explode and they have a great year and Trey Hendrickson
figures out his contract or plays in a contract year
in his dominant Again, either way, you need juice, you
need pass rush, So I would just throw that together.
If you want to put defensive tackle head a defensive
end or vice versa, fine with that, but they certainly
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need more juice as a pass rush and then playmaker
in general, just more. Everyone says I do I want
defensive weapons in this draft, like Johan Campbell. I would
probably take him, assuming he's got a thumbs up from
everybody over a post in Lovelin, plus probably anyone else
that's realistically going to be there.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Mid rounds any position or any prospects that have stood
out to you. Luke Candre's a name that I see
a lot, obviously because He's from the University of Cincinnati,
plays a position of need. I saw a mock draft
that had the Bengals in the fourth round on taking
Cam Scattaboo and addressing running back. Where do you see
them looking in those mid rounds. Obviously, with only six
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draft picks, that makes each one of these vital From
an important standpoint.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
My favorite player in this draft is not Colston Loveland,
which is going to shock a lot of people. My
favorite player in this draft is named Ashton and it's
not Ashton Jensen. Ashion. Jilatti, Passion Jalatti from Louisville is
a stud interesting get him at pick eighty one. He's
an edge rusher that's going to give you some juice.
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He's going to hold up well against the run. He's
going to be that relentless edge that also has the
size and strength to kick inside, give you a little
boots there. He's got that versatility that the Bengals love,
and he's just going to really hold up well in
the AFC North and in these physical games that the
Bengals are playing in December, and so obviously he's going
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to be Ravens bound. You know, he's going to go
to Baltimore because I have the draft crush on him.
He's going to end up somewhere like that. But that
would be a guy that I'm certainly focused on as
early as pick eighty one. It might I like him
more than Jack Sawyer. I'll just name a local guy
that everyone seems to love, and I like Jack Sawyer,
but I think that Asher into Lotti is just a
better prospect and he's going to be a Bault player.
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So that's one of my favorites. It's easy to go
running back. I mean, bay Shoal Tutin is a four
to three guy. If you could get him in round
four would certainly be fun. DJ Giddens is another running
back that I would like if he's there in round four.
Big twelve Tony, I'm sure you're aware of him. RJ
Harvey another one, Jayden Blue another guy. I mean, there
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are a lot of guys, and I think the Bengals,
even after Zat, might be in the mix there at
running back. But I love the idea of double dipping
at offensive line. And let's say they go with an
offensive lineman in rounds one or two. Right, Let's say,
perfect world, they get Kate Rattlidge at forty nine, and
I think that's one of the better cases. And ARREOs. Sure, well,
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that doesn't mean that you can't go Ozzie Trapillo out
of Boston College, who I think is going to have
some be able to play tackle for sure. He's six
eight three twenty, but I think he's going to be
able to play guard to if you need him, and
have some flexibility there. And so I like Trpillo a lot.
Luke Candre you mentioned him, I think in round five,
and then you may look up at some of those
interior guys get lost, like last year Matt Lee. I
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thought he was going to go in like round five,
and he was there in round seven. So if Luke
Caner's there round five, round six, I would absolutely be in.
And so there are a bunch more. W You want
me to rattle off more prospects, I absolutely can, but
those are some of the ones that really stand out.
I'll give you one more just to prove that I
love defense. I think really love defense. Oddie, come on, now,
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I didn't say it. They did, they did. I don't
even know who they is.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The talkbacker, our president Johnny from Mount Healthy. You want
his name there Wowney.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Hi Robinson out of Nebraska, another guy that is going
to He's a defensive tackle, but it is going to
hold up well in the Norse. Like I think the
past couple of years there have been a lot of
people that said, man, this team just isn't so for
the Norse. Well aspen Jalatti is, Ty Robinson is, they
have the athleticism to get after the passer, but they're
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going to hold up. They're going to be physical. And
so those are two guys like, let's as a defensive
tackle in rounds one or two, Well, then go Jelatti
round three, Ty Robinson round four, and you just you
really upgraded your defensive front without doing it in rounds
one or two. So it's certainly possible for them to
address offensive line early and maybe who knows, take Polston Lovelin,
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listen to me, and take Coaston Loveland and one one.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Just to clarify, I've been trying to explain this to
people when you are, you know, putting it out there
that the Bengals should draft Colston Loveland or one of
these like more skill weapon players as opposed to the
needs of the offense and the defense line. The point
you're trying to make is that the Bengals should be
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getting best player available and not immediately addressing need because,
as you mentioned in the predictive mock that you put
up on Bengals Talk, that's very different compared to what
you normally say because the Bengals have a different mindset
around drafting. So can you just kind of clarify your
your mindset when it comes to saying Colston Loveland, it's
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more about best player available more than it is about
anything else. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's what the draft is for. Yeah, your fil needs.
You do that in free agency, the things you need,
the things you have to have, and then the draft
is for all right, let's get the best guys. Now?
Can you what need? What you a little? You can?
But in this draft, this draft stinks at the top,
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it sticks. There's like two guys. It's the worst draft
ever for the Browns to be drafted two. And they
may still end up getting one of the Blue Chippers
because there's like two or three guys that are Blue Shippers,
so they'll get Travis Hummer. But if you look at
this draft, Hooston Lovelin is a top ten player in
this draft and people look at Derek Harmon or they
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look at insert pass rusher and they're like, oh, well,
this guy's a much better prospect. I'd be pretty surprised
if Derek Hartman's hired on the Bengals Boys then Coaston Lovelin,
because I just don't think that's the case. Now. If
you say that out allowed to do Bengals, no way.
You've got to go defensive tackle, and it's like.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's tough and so that's.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It really doesn't matter. I've covered plenty of drafts now.
I remember in twenty fifteen when it was a win
Now Bengals draft. They're so Cedric o'bwahie and Jake Fisher.
It's a meat and potatoes draft. The guy sucked, don't.
I don't care what position he plays. I want the
best player because it's more likely that that guy pans out.
I think Colston Lovelin would make an immediate impact because
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he's the best as catcher in the draft. By like,
I think it's probably not even close, and so he
would make an immediate impact. It doesn't mean they should
take him. I would take Walter Nolan over Colston Loveland.
I would take your hot Camel over Colston over him.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I thinks for the Bengals what they.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Do, I bet they have Loveland higher than Warren. It's close, though.
I think either one will.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Loveland's gonna end up going to the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That's going to be my take, dude, see, and then
he'll just be an average And I mean maybe not.
I mean they've had good tight ends so but but
but I think it's such a good landing spot here too,
Like it's so easy to see, like and honestly like,
if Mike get sicky, is the reason why you're you're
not in on Colston Loveland? If you're the Bengals, Well
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then why didn't you look ahead to April and realize
that two of the top ten prospects in the draft
were tight ends.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, and and maybe take that Mike is SICKI money
and spend it on.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Guard because Joe Burrow his name, God who knows Joe
Burrow added his name Mike, Kaiki.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
You're not Key and Jamar Like Joe b all right,
Joe by all right, Key and Jamar got done. He
would have been fine. And that doesn't mean you can't pay.
I'm fine with paying Mike, just don't let it get
in the way of sure taking a stud because you
you need or like and I don't know this, but
like guys that have the character concerns are off the
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field issues, Like you see some of these reports where
the Bengals are willing to roll with it.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It's like, all right, well, if there's a real concern,
don't be willing, you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Know, don't just pass the guy to pass the guy
because it's a need. Like that's just that's playing with fire.
The draft's already hard enough. And that's why I mentioned
the guys. I mentioned the July James Williams in round
two another guy.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Uh, before we let you go, you're starting to break
up just a little bit there. But the Bengals have
returned to Cincinnati for the first beginning parts of their
off season workouts. Have you heard any rumblings about how
the off season might change so that they don't get
off to a slow start.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well, if they draft impact players, that would be the first.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Okay, we covered that part.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Draft impact face players.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I spent twenty minutes of that.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, no, did we Okay, Well, is draft week money
or do you want to talk about the off season.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
They're both important. That's what I asked about.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, so important. That was like, it's important, but let's
relax a little bit here.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I mean, I simply, I can, I can? I ask?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Did you not hear the question? I know you're breaking up?
I said, have you heard about any changes to the
off season program? That will Now there's multiple parts to
an off season program, not just what happened this week.
What have you heard if anything? You can just say no,
I haven't heard anything, or you just say you're so
focused on the draft you haven't even worried about it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well that that is the fact, Okay for sure, just
say that that been so focused on the draft.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
We're big boys, we can we can handle the truth.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Well, you cut me off, and I was about to
give Tyleek Williams, an Ohio state buck eye a shout out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well you cut out? You were It was four seconds
of silence and I couldn't hear you.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, was I really? I walked away from my phone,
like I'm on I'm on the headset. I walked away
from my phone. I paced when I talk to you
guys angry?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, now now we're not you don't all right? James
thanks for joining us, man, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You're the best. Just stay next to your phone, man.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm right by my phone now, Like, what did it
cut out again?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Okay, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Oh all right, more about Ashton Gelati Bengals Talk dot Com.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Thanks James, you.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Don't like Astelotti? No?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I literally mocked him on my mock draft yesterday. I've
been on him for a while. Man, you catch up. No,
you didn't even know who he was, James. You liked
a tweet of mine two weeks ago talking about Ashton Jilotti.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So yeah, James, what he's doing at this point? He's
so busy?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yes, dude, I seen him play in person. I'm a
big fan. He's born in Ohio, just like us, James,
he's one of us.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I wasn't born in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That explains a lot, man, I.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Was just kidding. I was born in Ohio. No bear catches.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Say, James, you're the best. That is James Rapine. Oh,
that guy's the worst. That went and that was like
twenty eight minutes of that. He just wants to be
like Joe Daniman. That's all. Yeah, I'm gonna have to
figure out how we're gonna to make the rest of
this hour work. Here'll make it. We'll be back our
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, here we go our three Cincy three sixty
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on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's get right
to it. Let's talk some Cincinnati Bengals. Let's do so
with the man himself, James Rapine. Who's joining us right now? James?
What's going on? How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Out, Tea Pike? I'm great? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
James? Look before we even get going, with the draft
coming up tomorrow and all weekend and everything that's going
to come after that, what's the easiest way for folks
to follow along with all your coverage of the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh boy, old boy, there's gonna be a lot of
coverage of Bengals at Bengalstalk dot com. Right now, there
is a full sixth round predictive mock what I think
the Bengals will do all weekend thought at Bengals Talk
dot Com right now, the Lockdown Bengals podcast and Cincinnati
Bengals Talk on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Let's just let's cut right to it, James, why do
the Bengals need to draft Colston Loveland at number seventeen?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, you tell me, Tony, you're the quarterback. You don't
think that Colston Loveland isn't a perfect fit for the
Cincinnati Bengals. You may be in denial like a lot
of Cincinnati I'm like a lot of Bengals fans that
have focused on that declaration that I've made. But he's
one of the best prospects in the draft, and if
he's there at seventeen, he certainly needs to be in
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the mix. And I think I think he will be
in the mix. Whether or not the Bengals taken that's
a different conversation, but I do think if he's there
at seventeen, we have a discussion.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
James.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
One of our talkbackers asked us to ask you, are
you anti drafting defense? Because you seem to be always
on board with the offense. Are you anti defense?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
No. In fact, my Big Six which was released last week,
if you look at that and you pay attention to that,
and I'm sure the talkbacker did. While you see Johad
Campbell there and Derek Harmon there and Walter Nolan there,
and you see nick Emon Worry there as well. So
you're talking about four of the six are defense anti defense. No,
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I am pro player and if this draft has a
really often tight end that's there at seventeen, I'm not
going to say, oh, you know what, the Bengals should
take Mike Green out of Marshall when I don't think
that he's one of the top six players the Bengals
could potentially draft. Colston Loveland is a better prospect than
Mike Green.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Is Colston Lovelin to accept that? In some aret is
the idea of Colston Loveland? Is it to give Burrow
another weapon at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Day, persually, Yeah, and it's it's too like what they
did last year with Eric All. It would do that,
but it would do it to a much much higher level.
And not that he's going to be an elite NFL
blocker right away, but he could play in.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Line some and he's an elite runner, a buy end playmaker,
someone that he is going to give Joe Burrow another weapon,
and he's never had that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
With a guy that can play in line at tight end,
and so he's taken snaps from Drew Sample Mike Kasicki's
being resigned doesn't really impact things one way or another
from my mind. And when it comes to the tight
end room, so yeah, I mean, I think he would
take this offense to a level that we really haven't
seen because they've never they've never had that. And then
of course it does give Joe Burrow another answer to
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the test. And if you give a guy like that
another answer, it's it's tough to argue.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I go back constantly to Joe Burrow and the money
that was obviously spent on t Higgins and Jamar Chase,
and you know, I look at you know, is there
any single prospect that is going to overcome and help
this team if Joe Burrow doesn't play seventeen games? Which
makes me come back to the guard position that is
still not been addressed for the Cincinnati Bengals. Do you
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feel that the Bengals feel like that it can be
addressed with the personnel they have and a new offensive
line coach, or do you believe that the guard market
in this draft isn't just good enough to use that
seventeenth pick on because I struggle coming back and saying
I need number nine protected more than I need anything
else on the roster.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Sure, I get that, I totally get that. I mean,
if if it were me, I probably would have already
had Kevin Zeitler here and convinced insert whatever left guard
to come. Maybe it's just as simple as getting Kevin
Zeitler and that's it, and then you have right guar
short up. You can draft one or not. But yeah,
I don't really I don't understand why they didn't go
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get a proven guy when they were so proactive about
moving on from Alex Kappa. I was like, makes sense,
they should cut Alex Kapa, but after that they should
their first edition, potentially in free agency, should be a guard,
a proven guard. So we're not having this conversation because really,
no matter who they draft at guard over the next
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few days, you're gonna be all, You're still not gonna
be like, Okay, it's settled, Like Tyler Booker, like, let's
just say they take the number one guard on Dame
Brugler's board and on a lot of these NFL teams board.
He had an awful pre draft process. He's probably not
the athlete that you truly want there, and so is
that going to lead to him struggling at times? Do
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they go with Calvin Beggs junior, who's not going to
be there when they pick tomorrow night, but let's just
say he is, Well, there's some projection there because he
wasn't a guard in college and so it may take
him a little bit of time. Josh Simmons I think
could be a really good guard, but it's coming off
of an injury. And so, yeah, regardless of who you
look at Tate Ratlich that has had multiple injuries and
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is a bit older of a prospect, there are guys
that they can get that you like as prospects, but
they might not hit the ground running as NFL players,
And that's what kind of stinks, And deep down, I'm
still hoping they go get a brand and shurf in
free agency after the draft. Even if they do doubled in,
it doesn't mean that you have to have those rookies start.
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You can get a proven guy in free agency.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Among those players that are constantly being mocked to the Bengals.
Are there any of them that you think can immediately
hit the ground running, because you know, Duke Tobin said
this week that he doesn't anticipate the Bengals absorbing a
bunch of rookie starters. Guys are going to contribute that
much as rookies, which is a little bit concerning. I mean,
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outside of the Coaston Loveland idea, are any of those
guys guys that can actually come in and can tribute
day one hit the ground running?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, I think so. I think there are a bunch
of guys that can do that. I think Walter Nolan
would do that. I'm not sure he's going to be
there tomorrow, but certainly someone that contributes. I think that
Derek Harman is again someone that they need and you know,
on the interior of their pass rush, getting a guy
that can hold up against the run. I think both
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of those guys can do that and then give you
some juice to get after opposing quarterbacks. Those guys are
going to get snaps. There's no doubt about it. They're
going to get snaps. The same thing goes for this
edge class. Now, this is what's interesting to me about
it because a lot of people are going to say
James Pierce Junior. A lot of people are going to
say Mike Green, and I think they're different. I think
Mike Green is a much better prospect than James Pearce Jr.
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James Pierce Junior might blow away when the winds pick
up at pay Course Stadium and they need someone that's
going to be able to hold up against the run.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
If you're taking him seventeenth, overall, that's not going to
be the case.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
He's going to be a very situational type guy. I
don't want that at seventeen. If he's there in round two, great.
I would be open to James christ Junior because there's
a lot to like. Mike Green's a little different. I
would consider him at seventeen. I'm not as high on
him as a lot of people are, but I do
think he would contribute. And it's because they need juice
there and so guard whoever they take, whether it's round
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one or round three, needs to be able to contribute
right away, needs to be able to battle for a
starting job right away, and you better feel confident that
they can win the starting job right away. I never
felt that way about Jackson Carmen from the moment I
found out hours before the draft that they were eyeing
him to training camp to any time in between. And
obviously he didn't start for the Bengals. So they need
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to find that. Wherever they find it, they better find it.
And then they need to find guys that can contribute
as pass rushers. Maybe not start, that's fine. I kind
of think their starting defensive line is essentially in place,
but it's a rotation, and so can you get guys
that can come in and make an impact. I agree
with you, they need that. I don't really care about
starters necessarily, Like if they draft the safety Nickimn Warry,
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if they draft him, he'd better be on the field,
and I think he will be because he's a playmaker.
Johi Campbell will start if he is taken by the Bengals,
and I think it would make a huge impact, barring
his health as well.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Is that ultimately the difference between Al Golden and louis
an arumo because the other thing Tobin said is that
they're rebuilding the defense under Al's vision is part of that.
Because Anna Rumo was less likely to trust and play
the young players and Al Golden is and just the
importance of the development of the guys already on the
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roster and the guys they're going to draft. Is that
a big part of it?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I think so. Yeah. I think that's why they they
haven't added as much as we would like in free agency,
is they want to make sure they get guys that
fit fits Al Golden's vision. Now, part of that is
is the way they structured and handled the Jamar and
t stuff and the way they structure and go about
business in general. But that aside, I think from a
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football standpoint, yeah, they didn't force it in free agency
with veterans because they want to get guys that Golden
sees as guys that are going to help right now.
And by the way, if you gave him truth here
him and he might not even need the truth serum
he needs it. This defense is not there yet. They
need guys that are going to come in and make plays,
and so who does he think fits? They need alignment
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because they didn't have it on Dax Hill. That's the
prime example. I've been so bullish on Dax's Hill half
the fan base since he's a bust. I don't think
he's anywhere close to that, But clearly Loo didn't trust him.
Lou didn't believe in him and wasn't willing to find
ways to get him on the field in twenty twenty
two as a rookie, and that continued as far as
the not believing in him over the past couple of
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years until he moved a corner and it started to
figure it out there. So I think, for example, if
they take Nicki mcmorry or if they take sha Hot Campbell,
the vision has to be aligned. There has to be
a path to get that guy six to eight hundred
snaps right away, regardless of what Genostone does. Even if
Genostone has ten picks, doesn't matter. You need to be
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able to get your first rounder on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
How would you prioritize the top three needs for this
team offensively and defensively together? Let's just say that the
draft falls perfectly. How are you targeting if you're the
GM of the Bengals, the positions of need in the
top three for you and Lovel's tight end, running back
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and wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, the funny thing is that I've done zero homework
on the receivers in this class. Then they take one
in the ground six and I love done zero homework
on them, which is not the norm for me. As
you guys know, Number one is guard. It's obviously their
biggest need, and it sucks. It's annoying that it's the case.
I thought free agency they were really in position and
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free agency to shore up guard and to end it
and to get two guys if they like, if they
truly wanted to get two guys that could be starters
and then just boom completely clear out that need, they
could do that, and instead they just got guys that
can battle.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
I don't for the starting job with a rookie like okay, like.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't not like, I don't dislike Cody Ford, I
don't dislike Lucas Patrick. But still certainly a need for
the Cincinnati Bengals and the biggest need going into tomorrow's draft,
and then after that, I think saying a specific position
it's kind of tough because to me, it's pass rush
or defensive playmaker like easther one is just such a knee.
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But I'll go with pass rush because I think you
could argue that the interior would be great and to
grab an interior rusher at the same time. I think
Chris Jenkins is going to play better with a guy
a true nose tackle and TJ. Slayton with him, and
so would he take a step where you don't feel
as as bad about your interior pass rush? Maybe, but
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I don't care. I need it somewhere, And the same
thing goes with that, josepho Sier Miles Murphy. Maybe they
explode and they have a great year and Trey Hendrickson
figures out his contract or plays in a contract year
in his dominant Again, either way, you need juice, you
need pass rush, So I would just throw that together.
If you want to put defensive tackle head a defensive
end or vice versa, fine with that, but they certainly
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need more juice as a pass rush and then playmaker
in general, just more. Everyone says I do I want
defensive weapons in this draft, like Johan Campbell. I would
probably take him, assuming he's got a thumbs up from
everybody over a post in Lovelin, plus probably anyone else
that's realistically going to be there.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Mid rounds any position or any prospects that have stood
out to you. Luke Candre's a name that I see
a lot, obviously because He's from the University of Cincinnati,
plays a position of need. I saw a mock draft
that had the Bengals in the fourth round on taking
Cam Scattaboo and addressing running back. Where do you see
them looking in those mid rounds. Obviously, with only six
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draft picks, that makes each one of these vital From
an important standpoint.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
My favorite player in this draft is not Colston Loveland,
which is going to shock a lot of people. My
favorite player in this draft is named Ashton and it's
not Ashton Jensen. Ashion. Jilatti, Passion Jalatti from Louisville is
a stud interesting get him at pick eighty one. He's
an edge rusher that's going to give you some juice.
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He's going to hold up well against the run. He's
going to be that relentless edge that also has the
size and strength to kick inside, give you a little
boots there. He's got that versatility that the Bengals love,
and he's just going to really hold up well in
the AFC North and in these physical games that the
Bengals are playing in December, and so obviously he's going
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to be Ravens bound. You know, he's going to go
to Baltimore because I have the draft crush on him.
He's going to end up somewhere like that. But that
would be a guy that I'm certainly focused on as
early as pick eighty one. It might I like him
more than Jack Sawyer. I'll just name a local guy
that everyone seems to love, and I like Jack Sawyer,
but I think that Asher into Lotti is just a
better prospect and he's going to be a Bault player.
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So that's one of my favorites. It's easy to go
running back. I mean, bay Shoal Tutin is a four
to three guy. If you could get him in round
four would certainly be fun. DJ Giddens is another running
back that I would like if he's there in round four.
Big twelve Tony, I'm sure you're aware of him. RJ
Harvey another one, Jayden Blue another guy. I mean, there
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are a lot of guys, and I think the Bengals,
even after Zat, might be in the mix there at
running back. But I love the idea of double dipping
at offensive line. And let's say they go with an
offensive lineman in rounds one or two. Right, Let's say,
perfect world, they get Kate Rattlidge at forty nine, and
I think that's one of the better cases. And ARREOs. Sure, well,
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that doesn't mean that you can't go Ozzie Trapillo out
of Boston College, who I think is going to have
some be able to play tackle for sure. He's six
eight three twenty, but I think he's going to be
able to play guard to if you need him, and
have some flexibility there. And so I like Trpillo a lot.
Luke Candre you mentioned him, I think in round five,
and then you may look up at some of those
interior guys get lost, like last year Matt Lee. I
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thought he was going to go in like round five,
and he was there in round seven. So if Luke
Caner's there round five, round six, I would absolutely be in.
And so there are a bunch more. W You want
me to rattle off more prospects, I absolutely can, but
those are some of the ones that really stand out.
I'll give you one more just to prove that I
love defense. I think really love defense. Oddie, come on, now,
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I didn't say it. They did, they did. I don't
even know who they is.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The talkbacker, our president Johnny from Mount Healthy. You want
his name there Wowney.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Hi Robinson out of Nebraska, another guy that is going
to He's a defensive tackle, but it is going to
hold up well in the Norse. Like I think the
past couple of years there have been a lot of
people that said, man, this team just isn't so for
the Norse. Well aspen Jalatti is, Ty Robinson is, they
have the athleticism to get after the passer, but they're
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going to hold up. They're going to be physical. And
so those are two guys like, let's as a defensive
tackle in rounds one or two, Well, then go Jelatti
round three, Ty Robinson round four, and you just you
really upgraded your defensive front without doing it in rounds
one or two. So it's certainly possible for them to
address offensive line early and maybe who knows, take Polston Lovelin,
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listen to me, and take Coaston Loveland and one one.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Just to clarify, I've been trying to explain this to
people when you are, you know, putting it out there
that the Bengals should draft Colston Loveland or one of
these like more skill weapon players as opposed to the
needs of the offense and the defense line. The point
you're trying to make is that the Bengals should be
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getting best player available and not immediately addressing need because,
as you mentioned in the predictive mock that you put
up on Bengals Talk, that's very different compared to what
you normally say because the Bengals have a different mindset
around drafting. So can you just kind of clarify your
your mindset when it comes to saying Colston Loveland, it's
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more about best player available more than it is about
anything else. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's what the draft is for. Yeah, your fil needs.
You do that in free agency, the things you need,
the things you have to have, and then the draft
is for all right, let's get the best guys. Now?
Can you what need? What you a little? You can?
But in this draft, this draft stinks at the top,
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it sticks. There's like two guys. It's the worst draft
ever for the Browns to be drafted two. And they
may still end up getting one of the Blue Chippers
because there's like two or three guys that are Blue Shippers,
so they'll get Travis Hummer. But if you look at
this draft, Hooston Lovelin is a top ten player in
this draft and people look at Derek Harmon or they
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look at insert pass rusher and they're like, oh, well,
this guy's a much better prospect. I'd be pretty surprised
if Derek Hartman's hired on the Bengals Boys then Coaston Lovelin,
because I just don't think that's the case. Now. If
you say that out allowed to do Bengals, no way.
You've got to go defensive tackle, and it's like.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's tough and so that's.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It really doesn't matter. I've covered plenty of drafts now.
I remember in twenty fifteen when it was a win
Now Bengals draft. They're so Cedric o'bwahie and Jake Fisher.
It's a meat and potatoes draft. The guy sucked, don't.
I don't care what position he plays. I want the
best player because it's more likely that that guy pans out.
I think Colston Lovelin would make an immediate impact because
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he's the best as catcher in the draft. By like,
I think it's probably not even close, and so he
would make an immediate impact. It doesn't mean they should
take him. I would take Walter Nolan over Colston Loveland.
I would take your hot Camel over Colston over him.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I thinks for the Bengals what they.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Do, I bet they have Loveland higher than Warren. It's close, though.
I think either one will.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Loveland's gonna end up going to the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That's going to be my take, dude, see, and then
he'll just be an average And I mean maybe not.
I mean they've had good tight ends so but but
but I think it's such a good landing spot here too,
Like it's so easy to see, like and honestly like,
if Mike get sicky, is the reason why you're you're
not in on Colston Loveland? If you're the Bengals, Well
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then why didn't you look ahead to April and realize
that two of the top ten prospects in the draft
were tight ends.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, and and maybe take that Mike is SICKI money
and spend it on.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Guard because Joe Burrow his name, God who knows Joe
Burrow added his name Mike, Kaiki.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
You're not Key and Jamar Like Joe b all right,
Joe by all right, Key and Jamar got done. He
would have been fine. And that doesn't mean you can't pay.
I'm fine with paying Mike, just don't let it get
in the way of sure taking a stud because you
you need or like and I don't know this, but
like guys that have the character concerns are off the
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field issues, Like you see some of these reports where
the Bengals are willing to roll with it.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It's like, all right, well, if there's a real concern,
don't be willing, you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Know, don't just pass the guy to pass the guy
because it's a need. Like that's just that's playing with fire.
The draft's already hard enough. And that's why I mentioned
the guys. I mentioned the July James Williams in round
two another guy.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Uh, before we let you go, you're starting to break
up just a little bit there. But the Bengals have
returned to Cincinnati for the first beginning parts of their
off season workouts. Have you heard any rumblings about how
the off season might change so that they don't get
off to a slow start.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well, if they draft impact players, that would be the first.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Okay, we covered that part.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Draft impact face players.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I spent twenty minutes of that.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, no, did we Okay, Well, is draft week money
or do you want to talk about the off season.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
They're both important. That's what I asked about.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, so important. That was like, it's important, but let's
relax a little bit here.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I mean, I simply, I can, I can? I ask?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Did you not hear the question? I know you're breaking up?
I said, have you heard about any changes to the
off season program? That will Now there's multiple parts to
an off season program, not just what happened this week.
What have you heard if anything? You can just say no,
I haven't heard anything, or you just say you're so
focused on the draft you haven't even worried about it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well that that is the fact, Okay for sure, just
say that that been so focused on the draft.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
We're big boys, we can we can handle the truth.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Well, you cut me off, and I was about to
give Tyleek Williams, an Ohio state buck eye a shout out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well you cut out? You were It was four seconds
of silence and I couldn't hear you.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, was I really? I walked away from my phone,
like I'm on I'm on the headset. I walked away
from my phone. I paced when I talk to you
guys angry?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, now now we're not you don't all right? James
thanks for joining us, man, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You're the best. Just stay next to your phone, man.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm right by my phone now, Like, what did it
cut out again?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Okay, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Oh all right, more about Ashton Gelati Bengals Talk dot Com.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Thanks James, you.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Don't like Astelotti? No?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I literally mocked him on my mock draft yesterday. I've
been on him for a while. Man, you catch up. No,
you didn't even know who he was, James. You liked
a tweet of mine two weeks ago talking about Ashton Jilotti.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So yeah, James, what he's doing at this point? He's
so busy?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yes, dude, I seen him play in person. I'm a
big fan. He's born in Ohio, just like us, James,
he's one of us.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I wasn't born in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That explains a lot, man, I.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Was just kidding. I was born in Ohio. No bear catches.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Say, James, you're the best. That is James Rapine. Oh,
that guy's the worst. That went and that was like
twenty eight minutes of that. He just wants to be
like Joe Daniman. That's all. Yeah, I'm gonna have to
figure out how we're gonna to make the rest of
this hour work. Here'll make it. We'll be back our
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