July 8, 2025 • 27 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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we check in with our guy from Fox nineteen. Joe
Daniman is back. He's rested, he's refreshed, and he joins
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us right now.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hello Joe, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Inevitably, what happens is Jeremy does something that I do
and does it better and makes me look bad. So
I'm here to take my l and here to hear
all the talkbackers say, bring Jeremy.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Bast somebody use the phrase Joe Bledsoe last week and
Jeremy Brady and I just I wonder do you feel
an added pressure for today's segment that maybe you haven't
felt in previous segments.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, I do feel some pressure. I do feel some
pressure on this one. And I'll say this too about Jeremy,
and I know how.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Far you could throw football.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
That dude's got to stan it. Okay, if you go
through the archives of my Twitter, there was a controversy
a few years ago when the Reds played up in
Iowa the Field of Dreams, when people thought Jeremy was
somebody he wasn't and questioned his throwing motion.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And then I posted a video of.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Jeremy taking a baseball from home plate throwing it into
the corn. And I also have a video on Twitter somewhere.
I think Jeremy throwing a football like fifty yards. Dude's
got an arm man. But yes, I do feel pressure,
but I'm ready right.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm struggling today with the Reds, Joe, because of the performance.
And I believe you used the term flat when talking
about what the Reds did last night. This team in general,
when you look at the roster, is this a bad
team that has a few good pieces and they're overperforming.
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Are they a good team that at still times is underperforming?
Which way would you lean?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, I'll settle on last night because we'd do this right.
When teams disappoint in a moment that that fans kind
of pull out as a big week, And I kind
of got the feeling from talking to the guys inside
the clubhouse that they understood the importance of this week,
speaking with Matt McClain, speaking with Andrew Abbott yesterday, they
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understand what's in front of them, the opportunity here to
stock pile wins and put themselves in a good position
going to the All Star Break and starting, you know,
the final seventy or so games of the season. I
land on disappointing, lifeless, uninspired, flat, All those things have
been thrown out from last night's game, But for this
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team to understand the moment, to understand what they just
dealt with on Sunday in Philadelphia, to come back and
have one of those games, and we know it, there's
gonna be ten or twelve games every single year at
one hundred and sixty two game seasons where you just
don't have it, where you show up and the other
team just is better that night, and I think that
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game falls into that bucket. But considering the moment and
understanding where they were and where they need to go
in this week, it just felt disappointing for them to
have that kind of performance. Now, to answer your question
on what they are, I don't know, and I think
that's a little bit concerning now ninety one games into
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a season, is still not knowing exactly what they are,
who they are, what they will be. You know, I
said earlier in the year that you know, we've been
trying to figure out what they are. It's inconsistent, and
it doesn't matter sometimes who they're playing, it doesn't matter
who's pitching against them. You just don't know what you're
going to get from this team. And what I think
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is most concerning and also most interesting about this team
is how they ebb and flow as a whole. It's
not just the entire team gets or the entire team
seems to get hotter, but the entire team seems to
be cold. It's not three or four guys who get
hot together or cold together and the other group or
the rest of the group can pick up for them.
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That they seem to ebb and flow too much as
a unit. And I think that's really coming to bite
them right now as we look at a team that's
ninety one games into a season.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When you look at a team and where they are
A lot of the conversation this time of the year
circles back to, well, what are they going to be
at the trade deadline? If we're unsure about who this
team after is after ninety one games, would one edition
do you think ultimately change this team's fate, Because that's
where I land myself now of are they buyers, are
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they sellers? What do they do? Do they wait to
get healthy? Is the addition of one player, maybe one
outfield and a power back would that be enough that
that would move the needle for this team?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And I think there's two ways to look at it
and to answer it for part one. And the first
way would be, you know, what's the one position or
or the one thing this team needs and you said
the right handed power back. I don't think it necessarily
has to be an outfield. It could be a third
basement because third base. To me, this feels like this
this Merry go round of just mid and they can't
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figure it out at this point. And we all know
that there's a lot of stock in neuelvie Marte's future,
that this guy could be a good player, and Christian
Encarnaci and Strand has ability to hit the ball out
of the ballpark, and this team doesn't have a lot
of power, and he does bring that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
To this team.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
But what I like, au Henniosarez make a difference for
this team. And you know, I was kind of kicking
that around yesterday because everybody's always landed on they need
a right handed outfield back, what about third base? And
what au Henio Suarez is doing? And right now Arizona's
right on the Reds heels in the wild card race,
so I'm not sure if they're going to be sellers.
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But he's got an affordable contract. The Reds I think
could move pieces to get someone like him, But are
you going to give up accets for what would be
a rental because his contracts up at the end of
the year.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So I think yes, quite honestly.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I do think a right handed power back, whether it's
a third base and the outfield, would put this team
in position to hang around longer, get them to September
and have a shot at making a run at this thing.
But the other way of looking at it is maybe
not even just looking at the deadline as a way
to help this team, but to also help the organization
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in the future. We've seen them do that in the past,
and I'll pull out the Scott role trade. The Scott
Roland trade wasn't made for that season. It was made
for a team that was on the cusp of doing
something maybe the next year.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And so the Reds have a lot of assets.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
We know that they have a lot of assets and
their pitching staff. Austin talked earlier about some of the
untouchable names. That would agree with some of those names.
But at some point this team's going to think I
think gonna have to make a bold move with one
of those assets and the pitching staff to give them
what they don't have offensively, and that's someone who.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Can help prevent this team.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Give them another star, another bat with pop that can
help this team prevent from going in these long droughts
as a team.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And I think it's going to take a bold move.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Whether it's this year, making a move for this year,
or whether it's making a move for the future. I
would like to see them move one of their assets,
could do something that's bold, that's different. Even if it
doesn't necessarily help them over get over the hump.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
This year, maybe it does set them.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Up for something next year year. And I think that's
something I'd like to see this team do.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
There are so many pieces of this team, Joe that
are young in their career. We're trying to figure out
who is Noova Marte, who is Cees Spencer's styear, Ellie
de la Cruz, Matt McClain. You can go up and
down the list. For a couple of years now, we've
asked the same question, what about the leadership side? What
about you mentioned a guy like Scott Roland. I thought
Scott Roland was just as important off the field as
he was on the field. Miguel Cairo, who's now the
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interim manager of the Nationals. There were videos of Joey
Vado sitting down in the dugout with Will Benson and
with Elie de la Cruz, and last year I think
we said, well, that's Jonathan India. He's not here. Who
do the Reds have right now in the clubhouse? In
your opinion, from a leadership standpoint, at a position player spot,
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that is that leader for these young players.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
So the problem is, and the guys you mentioned were
all star players, they're All Star players, they're they're MVP
caliber players. They're there guys that command respect because of
what they've done and and the issue is the red
best players are all guys who just are in their
second or third year or maybe fourth year in Major
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League Baseball. And I think you can pick out a
couple of guys just from being around the team that
that I believe could fit that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You know, I'm not inside.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
That room behind closed doors, but guys like a TJ. Friedel,
guys like a Tyler Stevenson who have been around a
little bit longer than the Ellis and the mcclains. Those
guys have the kind of personality and just the years.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
In the league.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It feels like to me that could take on a
role like that. But isn't this what Terry Francona is
here for. Yeah, I mean he's he's a guy that
that's taking teams to World Series in one World Series
and he's one Pennance and he's won, you know, almost
two thousand games. It kind of kind of feels like
to me that that's that's who he is, and that's
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what he's here for, is to help bridge these young
players and kind of bring that ex experience in that
intangible that that maybe they're missing without a Joey Vado
or a Scott Rowland. So I'm not saying that Terry
isn't delivering on that, but but I think you also
have to look to him. And it's not just guys
in the room, it's also the guy that's in the
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room next to the room that that can really help
with things like that. And and I think, you know,
we can do this. We can be reactionary right into
the one game a last night where it was disappointing
and it was it was lifeless and there was no energy,
and you can go back to Sunday and the Zach
Wheeler and you can go to the three game stretch
and them scoring you know, one run in three straight games.
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But I do caution people to be overreactionary to every
single Reds game because there are going to be stretches,
They're going to be moments during a season. The LA
Dodgers have lost four games in a row, and no
one's pushing the panic button on the LA Dodgers. This
team very well could win the rest of this week
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and you feel good about where they are because it
would be seven games over five hundred. So I get where,
you know, it kind of feels like the fan base
reacts so much to one night and one game because
of what's happened in recent years, and it feels like
every game against the beatable team that gets away feels
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like an opportunity loss because there's not a margin for
error with this team. And I get all that, but
I do ask people just to hold on here, okay,
and let's see what happens tonight, and let's see what
happens to the rest of the series. Let's see what
happens against the Rockies, because there's a shot here for
this team to get that momentum back and turn the
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fan base around and be in a good position at
the end of the week. We'll see where they are.
But yeah, I think Terry Francona guys, also has to
be a part of that equation of leadership and that
intangible that certainly this young team needs.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
We're always trying to test the waters and engage the
temperature where things are at, and you know, we were patient.
We've seen the resurgent of Spencer Steer. He's up to
two fifty four. He's got himself in a good position.
You're going to go through ups and downs during the season. TJ.
Friedel's in a seven of forty slump right now, But
that happens in baseball. Do you view it differently with
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what's going on with Matt McClain right now? He just
hasn't seemed to be able to figure it out in
the two holes. He's barely above two hundred right now.
Oh for his last eighteen where's your level of concern
ninety one games in with Matt McClain.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, I just can't figure it out why it's not
clicking for him this year, and ninety one games into it,
I'm starting to I'm starting to believe he's just not
going to have the kind of season that we thought
he could. And look, he's too far in a hole
that he's going to bounce back and put up the
kind of numbers that we hope he would put up.
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But even from here on out that I don't think
this team can rely on him as one of the
cornerstone players for the rest of this year as far
as production goes for them to get to where they
want to go. And I think the two biggest issues
for this team right now are and it goes fall
on Matt McClain unfortunately, or what's going on with Matt McClain.
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Why can't he produce and play at the level that
everybody who follows this team knows he's capable of playing.
And also they can't figure out who to hit a
number two and find a person consistently there. Because if
Matt McClain were being Matt McClain, he were right, you're
killing both of those birds.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
With one stone.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Because he feels like he slides in perfectly to that
position when he's going right, and he's had some moments
this year, but it's not been consistent enough for me
to think he's going to break out of it and
be a guy that can help carry this team through stretches.
And that's important for this team because it feels like
Ellie day La Cruz has been consistently good throughout this season.
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I don't think Ellie's been consistently spectacular, but he's been
consistently good.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And the question is.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Who is the other one or two stars that or
expected star that can step up and go with Ellie
at any particular time. We've seen stretches this year where TJ.
Friedel has been that guy. There have been stretches where
Spencer Steer has been that guy. Matt McClain needs to
be that guy for this team. He needs to be
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for a week. I mean, Will Benson's had a week, right,
Will Benson helped carry this team for a week. Why
can't Matt McClain be one of those guys that steps
up and has a week or two in the second
half of the season that helps this team and supplements
what Ellie's doing on a consistent basis. And that goes
back to my original point where it feels like this
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entire group they ebb and flowed too much as a
whole instead of individual players who can step out of
slumps and help carry.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
This team along with Ellie de la Cruz. So I'm concerned.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I mean, it's ninety one games into this thing, We're
well passed the halfway point, and Matt McClain just hasn't
looked like what we expected. Certainly, I'm not concerned about.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'm still very much all in on Matt McClain being
a great player in Cincinnati for a long time, and
I would buy the stock right now if I could
for his career. I am worried about what it's going
to look like for the rest of the season. Because
it's just not clicking this year for Matt McClean for
whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
How concerned are you about Hunter Green who now has
had another MRI but it's apparently clean, but they're pushing
back his rehab date. What do you think is going
on there?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You know, this thing was weird to me because what
was up with the timing of Hunter Green supposed to
be pitching tonight in Columbus to get him back for
what one start maybe Sunday against the Colorado Rockies before
the All Star break. To me, the timing of this
always felt just a little bit off, like why not
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use the extra week that comes with the All Star break?
It almost feels like a team rushing back a star
player of the week before a bye week when you
could use the bye week to help get that player
all the way right coming back from it.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And it's against the.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Rockies that you could hopefully right pitch anybody and have
a really good chance of beating Colorado on Sunday in
the last game before the All Star breaks. So that,
to me was my biggest question of the timeline of
getting Hunter Green to start here and maybe getting them
back for the Colorado game on Sunday. Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe they were going to stretch him out to two
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starts in the minor leagues and then look to getting
him ready for the start of the second half of
the season. It's interesting, I thought. Terry Francona explained it
actually pretty well in the post game last night, where
he said, look, the MRI is clean, but Hunter just
kind of still feels something there isn't isn't fully confident,
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And it might be because when that muscle gets fatigued,
he starts to field a little bit more so. Yeah,
concerned because of the track record, and you talked about it, Austin.
Charlie Goldsmith wrote about it that it's become part of
Hunter's story that he missed two months in twenty twenty three,
he missed a month last year, and now he's missing
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significant time this year. So kind of like Matt McClain, sure, yeah,
I think you would be burying your head in the
sand if you weren't concerned about this. But to me
that the timing of what they were trying to do
here kind of felt a little bit odd to me.
And then do it a little bit of time now
another week to kind of let this thing, calm down
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and then look at it next week and start to
get Hunter back for the early part of the second half.
But that's if everything goes to plan and Hunter continues
to progress. And I think everybody listening to this and
watching the Reds would still be kind of a feed
better than I hear, and I'll believe it would.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Hunter's back out on the field.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
We don't have to dive into the game by game specifics.
But today is Big twelve media Day. I know there's
no media poll that's going to come out, but this
Ucee Bearcat football team, Joe returns their starting quarterback. They
return an NFL caliber if you follow along with Todd McShay,
he had him a first round tight end and Joe Royer,
Dante Corleone and a host of other guys that returned
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from last year. Year two of A defensive coordinator, Scott
Saderfield said it's easiest, easily his best roster since he's
been the coach at the University of Cincinnati. Where do
you set your expectations for And I know it's hard
because of the portal and not getting to see them
until camp comes around, but where are you setting your
expectations right now for UC football.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, I would be uncomfortable setting expectations until I see
exactly what they are when I see them on this
field at summer training, for in the start of fault practice.
But when you have a core returning of to all
big twelve players in Joe Royer and Dante Corleone, guys
who are going to play in the NFL, you have,
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and sometimes can be rare in college football these days,
a quarterback who's coming back in the same role as
he was last year and understands the offense and has
worked with the same quarterbacks or worked with the same
head coach. I think you have to put expectations higher
than what they were last year of a five and
seven team, and certainly going back to Scott Saderfield's first
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year of a three win team and so eight wins
this first two years, when you have a core of
a quarterback and then two star players who are going
to play in the league, I think expectations better be
a bowl game for this team, because otherwise, if they're
not winning six games this year, they're not progressing forward.
And I think that's the important part of what we're
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looking for with the Scott Saderfield era is show signs
of improvement. I don't think anybody expects them to win
nine or ten games this year, but if they get
to six or seven wins in a Big twelve conference,
that isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think you can.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Hang your hat on just a little bit of progress
at this point. But my opinion might change, shirt will
once I see what this team looks like when they
get to fall camp. But right now, certainly outside of
Scott Souderfield posting pixtures of himself shirtless on the beach,
So Scott, there should be expectations that this team last week, Joe,
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no one wants to see.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That, Bro, No one needs.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
To see that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know the problem is too is I got two
teenage sons, man, and those kids are running around like,
you know, running and jumping and touching the rim and
doing I'm.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Like, what what's wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I mean, this is a point of your life you
start to wonder how broken down am I that my
kids are running circles around me at this point?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Terrible. It's a hard place to be.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, but but with the core of a quarterback in
two all conference players who should be NFL players, Tony,
I think expectations better be a Bowl game for the Bearcats.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Quarterback came out today on Netflix's Joe, What are you
most looking forward to and watching that series?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Well, I haven't watched it yet because I spent all
my day so far watching that golf fight clip on
Twitter and then getting on a RC slow comes Wikipedia
page to clap back at talkbackers.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Don't get. Don't get.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I haven't had a chance so watching yet.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But the funny thing is, guy, Yeah, that dude got
body has talked that much and then gets thrown in
the lake.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
The fact that the guy was holding him and yelling
bang because every hit he hit that looks like me
trying to fight Andrew Whitworth.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I thought, he what career you barking at?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I thought he had Mike Breen on the call while
he was fighting him, ha ha.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Him a double bag.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
The two clips I was looking forward to most are
clips that I've already seen on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And it was interesting because.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I saw a transcript for a lot of the Quarterback
series before it came out, and so I knew everything
that Joe and Zach Taylor said to each other. On
the sideline in Tennessee. But that's that's the one moment
I wanted to see. Was we all were doing somelip
reading that week, but to see the emotion play out
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and see how Zach would handle something like that, I
thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So I've seen that clip. And the other was I
wanted to.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
See Joe and lou Ana Roumo talk about Joe's house
being broken into and what Joe had to say about
that in the tone and the body language, and if
you go back and you watch it, my very part
of it is is the way that Louanna Roumo reacts.
So when Joe tells him his Jewey has been taken,
it is the most Staten Island delivery of a cuss
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word than you could ever imagine.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It is so perfect.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I just watched The Godfather over the weekend and it
felt like I was sitting there with the Corleonis watching
lou Anaarumo deliver that line. So look, I'm looking forward
to watching the series. Joe's featured more than the other
two quarterbacks in this as he should be because he's
the biggest star of the three. But the two clips
that I wanted to see I've seen already and I'm
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looking forward.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
To watching the rest before I let you go here,
Joe Pip, the folks at Sharp Football Analysis and the
folks at Pro Football Focus have both collaborated and they
each rank the Bengals offensive line thirty first going into
this season. I don't think they're the thirty first ranked
offensive line.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
How much of a talking point will it become because
I feel like so many times over the last couple
of years, the thing I end up talking about most
of training camp is the offensive line, and it's hard
to judge based on are they going live, what a
one on ones look like, who's practicing, who's not practicing.
Do you believe you're gonna find yourself focusing more on
the offensive line as we get the training camp or
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is it a different position group to start?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, first of all, I think they're They're wrong. They're
not the second worst offensive line in the NFL. Orlando
Brown's PSF ranking was plummeted by the guy playing with
a broken bone in his leg.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
So let's give the guy a little bit of credit.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
He was playing great football until he got hurt. I
think we all have a lot of confidence that Amarius
men Ment is going to be a very good NFL player.
So when you start with two bookend tackles, that that
a team should have confidence. And I think they're in
a decent spot with their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I'll be honest, Tony.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
When you cut me loose at a training camp asking
me to evaluate offensive linemen, it's like me asking asking
me to get into a fight with a guy on
a golf course that's about six inches taller than me. Well,
we're not gonna know, right. I don't think we're going
to know what they really are until the they really
start playing real games. And you're talking about a team
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now that's going to open this season with Miles Garrett
in a first round defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That's going to be the test.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
So I would say, ask me after Week one in
Cleveland what I think of this offensive line. But I
do think the PFF grade of ranking this team in
this unit thirty first out of thirty two is way off.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I think they're middle of the pack on.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Paper, with some upside to be better this season.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
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Speaker 3 (25:33):
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Awesome stuff. As always, Joe, we appreciate you man. We'll
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Speaker 3 (26:08):
Thanks Joe, am I welcome back next week.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yes, we'll put it to the talkbot.
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Yeah, I did it.
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us right now.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hello Joe, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Inevitably, what happens is Jeremy does something that I do
and does it better and makes me look bad. So
I'm here to take my l and here to hear
all the talkbackers say, bring Jeremy.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Bast somebody use the phrase Joe Bledsoe last week and
Jeremy Brady and I just I wonder do you feel
an added pressure for today's segment that maybe you haven't
felt in previous segments.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, I do feel some pressure. I do feel some
pressure on this one. And I'll say this too about Jeremy,
and I know how.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Far you could throw football.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
That dude's got to stan it. Okay, if you go
through the archives of my Twitter, there was a controversy
a few years ago when the Reds played up in
Iowa the Field of Dreams, when people thought Jeremy was
somebody he wasn't and questioned his throwing motion.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And then I posted a video of.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Jeremy taking a baseball from home plate throwing it into
the corn. And I also have a video on Twitter somewhere.
I think Jeremy throwing a football like fifty yards. Dude's
got an arm man. But yes, I do feel pressure,
but I'm ready right.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm struggling today with the Reds, Joe, because of the performance.
And I believe you used the term flat when talking
about what the Reds did last night. This team in general,
when you look at the roster, is this a bad
team that has a few good pieces and they're overperforming.
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Are they a good team that at still times is underperforming?
Which way would you lean?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, I'll settle on last night because we'd do this right.
When teams disappoint in a moment that that fans kind
of pull out as a big week, And I kind
of got the feeling from talking to the guys inside
the clubhouse that they understood the importance of this week,
speaking with Matt McClain, speaking with Andrew Abbott yesterday, they
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understand what's in front of them, the opportunity here to
stock pile wins and put themselves in a good position
going to the All Star Break and starting, you know,
the final seventy or so games of the season. I
land on disappointing, lifeless, uninspired, flat, All those things have
been thrown out from last night's game, But for this
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team to understand the moment, to understand what they just
dealt with on Sunday in Philadelphia, to come back and
have one of those games, and we know it, there's
gonna be ten or twelve games every single year at
one hundred and sixty two game seasons where you just
don't have it, where you show up and the other
team just is better that night, and I think that
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game falls into that bucket. But considering the moment and
understanding where they were and where they need to go
in this week, it just felt disappointing for them to
have that kind of performance. Now, to answer your question
on what they are, I don't know, and I think
that's a little bit concerning now ninety one games into
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a season, is still not knowing exactly what they are,
who they are, what they will be. You know, I
said earlier in the year that you know, we've been
trying to figure out what they are. It's inconsistent, and
it doesn't matter sometimes who they're playing, it doesn't matter
who's pitching against them. You just don't know what you're
going to get from this team. And what I think
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is most concerning and also most interesting about this team
is how they ebb and flow as a whole. It's
not just the entire team gets or the entire team
seems to get hotter, but the entire team seems to
be cold. It's not three or four guys who get
hot together or cold together and the other group or
the rest of the group can pick up for them.
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That they seem to ebb and flow too much as
a unit. And I think that's really coming to bite
them right now as we look at a team that's
ninety one games into a season.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When you look at a team and where they are
A lot of the conversation this time of the year
circles back to, well, what are they going to be
at the trade deadline? If we're unsure about who this
team after is after ninety one games, would one edition
do you think ultimately change this team's fate, Because that's
where I land myself now of are they buyers, are
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they sellers? What do they do? Do they wait to
get healthy? Is the addition of one player, maybe one
outfield and a power back would that be enough that
that would move the needle for this team?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And I think there's two ways to look at it
and to answer it for part one. And the first
way would be, you know, what's the one position or
or the one thing this team needs and you said
the right handed power back. I don't think it necessarily
has to be an outfield. It could be a third
basement because third base. To me, this feels like this
this Merry go round of just mid and they can't
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figure it out at this point. And we all know
that there's a lot of stock in neuelvie Marte's future,
that this guy could be a good player, and Christian
Encarnaci and Strand has ability to hit the ball out
of the ballpark, and this team doesn't have a lot
of power, and he does bring that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
To this team.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
But what I like, au Henniosarez make a difference for
this team. And you know, I was kind of kicking
that around yesterday because everybody's always landed on they need
a right handed outfield back, what about third base? And
what au Henio Suarez is doing? And right now Arizona's
right on the Reds heels in the wild card race,
so I'm not sure if they're going to be sellers.
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But he's got an affordable contract. The Reds I think
could move pieces to get someone like him, But are
you going to give up accets for what would be
a rental because his contracts up at the end of
the year.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So I think yes, quite honestly.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I do think a right handed power back, whether it's
a third base and the outfield, would put this team
in position to hang around longer, get them to September
and have a shot at making a run at this thing.
But the other way of looking at it is maybe
not even just looking at the deadline as a way
to help this team, but to also help the organization
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in the future. We've seen them do that in the past,
and I'll pull out the Scott role trade. The Scott
Roland trade wasn't made for that season. It was made
for a team that was on the cusp of doing
something maybe the next year.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And so the Reds have a lot of assets.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
We know that they have a lot of assets and
their pitching staff. Austin talked earlier about some of the
untouchable names. That would agree with some of those names.
But at some point this team's going to think I
think gonna have to make a bold move with one
of those assets and the pitching staff to give them
what they don't have offensively, and that's someone who.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Can help prevent this team.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Give them another star, another bat with pop that can
help this team prevent from going in these long droughts
as a team.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And I think it's going to take a bold move.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Whether it's this year, making a move for this year,
or whether it's making a move for the future. I
would like to see them move one of their assets,
could do something that's bold, that's different. Even if it
doesn't necessarily help them over get over the hump.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
This year, maybe it does set them.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Up for something next year year. And I think that's
something I'd like to see this team do.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
There are so many pieces of this team, Joe that
are young in their career. We're trying to figure out
who is Noova Marte, who is Cees Spencer's styear, Ellie
de la Cruz, Matt McClain. You can go up and
down the list. For a couple of years now, we've
asked the same question, what about the leadership side? What
about you mentioned a guy like Scott Roland. I thought
Scott Roland was just as important off the field as
he was on the field. Miguel Cairo, who's now the
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interim manager of the Nationals. There were videos of Joey
Vado sitting down in the dugout with Will Benson and
with Elie de la Cruz, and last year I think
we said, well, that's Jonathan India. He's not here. Who
do the Reds have right now in the clubhouse? In
your opinion, from a leadership standpoint, at a position player spot,
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that is that leader for these young players.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
So the problem is, and the guys you mentioned were
all star players, they're All Star players, they're they're MVP
caliber players. They're there guys that command respect because of
what they've done and and the issue is the red
best players are all guys who just are in their
second or third year or maybe fourth year in Major
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League Baseball. And I think you can pick out a
couple of guys just from being around the team that
that I believe could fit that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You know, I'm not inside.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
That room behind closed doors, but guys like a TJ. Friedel,
guys like a Tyler Stevenson who have been around a
little bit longer than the Ellis and the mcclains. Those
guys have the kind of personality and just the years.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
In the league.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It feels like to me that could take on a
role like that. But isn't this what Terry Francona is
here for. Yeah, I mean he's he's a guy that
that's taking teams to World Series in one World Series
and he's one Pennance and he's won, you know, almost
two thousand games. It kind of kind of feels like
to me that that's that's who he is, and that's
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what he's here for, is to help bridge these young
players and kind of bring that ex experience in that
intangible that that maybe they're missing without a Joey Vado
or a Scott Rowland. So I'm not saying that Terry
isn't delivering on that, but but I think you also
have to look to him. And it's not just guys
in the room, it's also the guy that's in the
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room next to the room that that can really help
with things like that. And and I think, you know,
we can do this. We can be reactionary right into
the one game a last night where it was disappointing
and it was it was lifeless and there was no energy,
and you can go back to Sunday and the Zach
Wheeler and you can go to the three game stretch
and them scoring you know, one run in three straight games.
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But I do caution people to be overreactionary to every
single Reds game because there are going to be stretches,
They're going to be moments during a season. The LA
Dodgers have lost four games in a row, and no
one's pushing the panic button on the LA Dodgers. This
team very well could win the rest of this week
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and you feel good about where they are because it
would be seven games over five hundred. So I get where,
you know, it kind of feels like the fan base
reacts so much to one night and one game because
of what's happened in recent years, and it feels like
every game against the beatable team that gets away feels
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like an opportunity loss because there's not a margin for
error with this team. And I get all that, but
I do ask people just to hold on here, okay,
and let's see what happens tonight, and let's see what
happens to the rest of the series. Let's see what
happens against the Rockies, because there's a shot here for
this team to get that momentum back and turn the
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fan base around and be in a good position at
the end of the week. We'll see where they are.
But yeah, I think Terry Francona guys, also has to
be a part of that equation of leadership and that
intangible that certainly this young team needs.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
We're always trying to test the waters and engage the
temperature where things are at, and you know, we were patient.
We've seen the resurgent of Spencer Steer. He's up to
two fifty four. He's got himself in a good position.
You're going to go through ups and downs during the season. TJ.
Friedel's in a seven of forty slump right now, But
that happens in baseball. Do you view it differently with
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what's going on with Matt McClain right now? He just
hasn't seemed to be able to figure it out in
the two holes. He's barely above two hundred right now.
Oh for his last eighteen where's your level of concern
ninety one games in with Matt McClain.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, I just can't figure it out why it's not
clicking for him this year, and ninety one games into it,
I'm starting to I'm starting to believe he's just not
going to have the kind of season that we thought
he could. And look, he's too far in a hole
that he's going to bounce back and put up the
kind of numbers that we hope he would put up.
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But even from here on out that I don't think
this team can rely on him as one of the
cornerstone players for the rest of this year as far
as production goes for them to get to where they
want to go. And I think the two biggest issues
for this team right now are and it goes fall
on Matt McClain unfortunately, or what's going on with Matt McClain.
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Why can't he produce and play at the level that
everybody who follows this team knows he's capable of playing.
And also they can't figure out who to hit a
number two and find a person consistently there. Because if
Matt McClain were being Matt McClain, he were right, you're
killing both of those birds.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
With one stone.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Because he feels like he slides in perfectly to that
position when he's going right, and he's had some moments
this year, but it's not been consistent enough for me
to think he's going to break out of it and
be a guy that can help carry this team through stretches.
And that's important for this team because it feels like
Ellie day La Cruz has been consistently good throughout this season.
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I don't think Ellie's been consistently spectacular, but he's been
consistently good.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And the question is.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Who is the other one or two stars that or
expected star that can step up and go with Ellie
at any particular time. We've seen stretches this year where TJ.
Friedel has been that guy. There have been stretches where
Spencer Steer has been that guy. Matt McClain needs to
be that guy for this team. He needs to be
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for a week. I mean, Will Benson's had a week, right,
Will Benson helped carry this team for a week. Why
can't Matt McClain be one of those guys that steps
up and has a week or two in the second
half of the season that helps this team and supplements
what Ellie's doing on a consistent basis. And that goes
back to my original point where it feels like this
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entire group they ebb and flowed too much as a
whole instead of individual players who can step out of
slumps and help carry.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
This team along with Ellie de la Cruz. So I'm concerned.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I mean, it's ninety one games into this thing, We're
well passed the halfway point, and Matt McClain just hasn't
looked like what we expected. Certainly, I'm not concerned about.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'm still very much all in on Matt McClain being
a great player in Cincinnati for a long time, and
I would buy the stock right now if I could
for his career. I am worried about what it's going
to look like for the rest of the season. Because
it's just not clicking this year for Matt McClean for
whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
How concerned are you about Hunter Green who now has
had another MRI but it's apparently clean, but they're pushing
back his rehab date. What do you think is going
on there?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You know, this thing was weird to me because what
was up with the timing of Hunter Green supposed to
be pitching tonight in Columbus to get him back for
what one start maybe Sunday against the Colorado Rockies before
the All Star break. To me, the timing of this
always felt just a little bit off, like why not
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use the extra week that comes with the All Star break?
It almost feels like a team rushing back a star
player of the week before a bye week when you
could use the bye week to help get that player
all the way right coming back from it.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And it's against the.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Rockies that you could hopefully right pitch anybody and have
a really good chance of beating Colorado on Sunday in
the last game before the All Star breaks. So that,
to me was my biggest question of the timeline of
getting Hunter Green to start here and maybe getting them
back for the Colorado game on Sunday. Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe they were going to stretch him out to two
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starts in the minor leagues and then look to getting
him ready for the start of the second half of
the season. It's interesting, I thought. Terry Francona explained it
actually pretty well in the post game last night, where
he said, look, the MRI is clean, but Hunter just
kind of still feels something there isn't isn't fully confident,
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And it might be because when that muscle gets fatigued,
he starts to field a little bit more so. Yeah,
concerned because of the track record, and you talked about it, Austin.
Charlie Goldsmith wrote about it that it's become part of
Hunter's story that he missed two months in twenty twenty three,
he missed a month last year, and now he's missing
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significant time this year. So kind of like Matt McClain, sure, yeah,
I think you would be burying your head in the
sand if you weren't concerned about this. But to me
that the timing of what they were trying to do
here kind of felt a little bit odd to me.
And then do it a little bit of time now
another week to kind of let this thing, calm down
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and then look at it next week and start to
get Hunter back for the early part of the second half.
But that's if everything goes to plan and Hunter continues
to progress. And I think everybody listening to this and
watching the Reds would still be kind of a feed
better than I hear, and I'll believe it would.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Hunter's back out on the field.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
We don't have to dive into the game by game specifics.
But today is Big twelve media Day. I know there's
no media poll that's going to come out, but this
Ucee Bearcat football team, Joe returns their starting quarterback. They
return an NFL caliber if you follow along with Todd McShay,
he had him a first round tight end and Joe Royer,
Dante Corleone and a host of other guys that returned
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from last year. Year two of A defensive coordinator, Scott
Saderfield said it's easiest, easily his best roster since he's
been the coach at the University of Cincinnati. Where do
you set your expectations for And I know it's hard
because of the portal and not getting to see them
until camp comes around, but where are you setting your
expectations right now for UC football.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, I would be uncomfortable setting expectations until I see
exactly what they are when I see them on this
field at summer training, for in the start of fault practice.
But when you have a core returning of to all
big twelve players in Joe Royer and Dante Corleone, guys
who are going to play in the NFL, you have,
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and sometimes can be rare in college football these days,
a quarterback who's coming back in the same role as
he was last year and understands the offense and has
worked with the same quarterbacks or worked with the same
head coach. I think you have to put expectations higher
than what they were last year of a five and
seven team, and certainly going back to Scott Saderfield's first
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year of a three win team and so eight wins
this first two years, when you have a core of
a quarterback and then two star players who are going
to play in the league, I think expectations better be
a bowl game for this team, because otherwise, if they're
not winning six games this year, they're not progressing forward.
And I think that's the important part of what we're
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looking for with the Scott Saderfield era is show signs
of improvement. I don't think anybody expects them to win
nine or ten games this year, but if they get
to six or seven wins in a Big twelve conference,
that isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think you can.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Hang your hat on just a little bit of progress
at this point. But my opinion might change, shirt will
once I see what this team looks like when they
get to fall camp. But right now, certainly outside of
Scott Souderfield posting pixtures of himself shirtless on the beach,
So Scott, there should be expectations that this team last week, Joe,
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no one wants to see.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That, Bro, No one needs.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
To see that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know the problem is too is I got two
teenage sons, man, and those kids are running around like,
you know, running and jumping and touching the rim and
doing I'm.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Like, what what's wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I mean, this is a point of your life you
start to wonder how broken down am I that my
kids are running circles around me at this point?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Terrible. It's a hard place to be.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, but but with the core of a quarterback in
two all conference players who should be NFL players, Tony,
I think expectations better be a Bowl game for the Bearcats.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Quarterback came out today on Netflix's Joe, What are you
most looking forward to and watching that series?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Well, I haven't watched it yet because I spent all
my day so far watching that golf fight clip on
Twitter and then getting on a RC slow comes Wikipedia
page to clap back at talkbackers.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Don't get. Don't get.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I haven't had a chance so watching yet.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But the funny thing is, guy, Yeah, that dude got
body has talked that much and then gets thrown in
the lake.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
The fact that the guy was holding him and yelling
bang because every hit he hit that looks like me
trying to fight Andrew Whitworth.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I thought, he what career you barking at?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I thought he had Mike Breen on the call while
he was fighting him, ha ha.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Him a double bag.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
The two clips I was looking forward to most are
clips that I've already seen on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And it was interesting because.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I saw a transcript for a lot of the Quarterback
series before it came out, and so I knew everything
that Joe and Zach Taylor said to each other. On
the sideline in Tennessee. But that's that's the one moment
I wanted to see. Was we all were doing somelip
reading that week, but to see the emotion play out
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and see how Zach would handle something like that, I
thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So I've seen that clip. And the other was I
wanted to.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
See Joe and lou Ana Roumo talk about Joe's house
being broken into and what Joe had to say about
that in the tone and the body language, and if
you go back and you watch it, my very part
of it is is the way that Louanna Roumo reacts.
So when Joe tells him his Jewey has been taken,
it is the most Staten Island delivery of a cuss
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word than you could ever imagine.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It is so perfect.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I just watched The Godfather over the weekend and it
felt like I was sitting there with the Corleonis watching
lou Anaarumo deliver that line. So look, I'm looking forward
to watching the series. Joe's featured more than the other
two quarterbacks in this as he should be because he's
the biggest star of the three. But the two clips
that I wanted to see I've seen already and I'm
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looking forward.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
To watching the rest before I let you go here,
Joe Pip, the folks at Sharp Football Analysis and the
folks at Pro Football Focus have both collaborated and they
each rank the Bengals offensive line thirty first going into
this season. I don't think they're the thirty first ranked
offensive line.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
How much of a talking point will it become because
I feel like so many times over the last couple
of years, the thing I end up talking about most
of training camp is the offensive line, and it's hard
to judge based on are they going live, what a
one on ones look like, who's practicing, who's not practicing.
Do you believe you're gonna find yourself focusing more on
the offensive line as we get the training camp or
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is it a different position group to start?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, first of all, I think they're They're wrong. They're
not the second worst offensive line in the NFL. Orlando
Brown's PSF ranking was plummeted by the guy playing with
a broken bone in his leg.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
So let's give the guy a little bit of credit.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
He was playing great football until he got hurt. I
think we all have a lot of confidence that Amarius
men Ment is going to be a very good NFL player.
So when you start with two bookend tackles, that that
a team should have confidence. And I think they're in
a decent spot with their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I'll be honest, Tony.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
When you cut me loose at a training camp asking
me to evaluate offensive linemen, it's like me asking asking
me to get into a fight with a guy on
a golf course that's about six inches taller than me. Well,
we're not gonna know, right. I don't think we're going
to know what they really are until the they really
start playing real games. And you're talking about a team
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now that's going to open this season with Miles Garrett
in a first round defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That's going to be the test.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
So I would say, ask me after Week one in
Cleveland what I think of this offensive line. But I
do think the PFF grade of ranking this team in
this unit thirty first out of thirty two is way off.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I think they're middle of the pack on.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Paper, with some upside to be better this season.
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Now.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Awesome stuff. As always, Joe, we appreciate you man. We'll
talk again next week.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Thanks Joe, am I welcome back next week.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yes, we'll put it to the talkbot.
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Yeah, I did it.
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