July 25, 2025 • 24 mins
Tony and Austin talk Bengals and Reds with Charlie Goldsmith from FOX19 and Charlie's Chalkboard on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Cincy Shirts since he three sixty about Cincinnati
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back hour two since the three sixty. We're here
at Bengals training camp thanks to AE Door and Window,
where they sell the best and service the rest. Special
thanks to Adam Webber for sponsoring the broadcast here at
Bengals training camp and all his continued support of the
Bengals all these many years. I gotta give two other
quick shout outs here Austin. One, shout out to our
guys at Cincy Shirts for all that they continue to do.
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In two, this is a long stretch down here. Mike
Mills gets here like eight eight thirty in the morning,
stays until we're done to take things down. And our
guy Jim Mooring from the Holy Grail has helped down
a couple of days. And today BILLI Siri with Donado's pizza.
They dropped ops and watch right when practice ended, could
not be taken care of any better down here.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You boys getting your fluids down there. A lot of
fluid shot.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Out right now, but shout out to Donado's Man. Shout
out to BILLI Siri and hooking us up today. What
a special treat. We get to do it every Friday.
Talk to Charlie Goldsmith, but rarely do I get to
see Charlie in person. And it's one of the things
Austin that during the training camp show I miss is
the ability to roam around the sidelines with Charlie and
others and talk about what's going on during practice. So
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I'm excited to have Charlie here. He's sitting with us
at an empty Bengals practice field right now, and Charlie,
before we even dive into the team, I have to
ask you, what did you think of Mike Petrali as
out there yesterday?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Fashion is an individual thing and I'm happy that he
is wearing clothes that that reflects his personality. Great.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Do you think it was a miss from Drags with
the attention he got to not double up on something
crazy today?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know what Tony, I'm gonna talk to you about
safety Blitzer, is that I got nothing on the fashion
stuff you were talking to. That's like asking Joe Burrow
about the Cincinnati cyclone, like asking me about the Cincinnati cyclones.
I've got absolutely no qualifications or fashion ability myself to
be able to weigh in in any sort of confident manner.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Do you think your clothes represent your personality?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Charlie So, I mean this is a conversation, like, I mean,
what am I wearring today at Great Polo and khakis?
Like I very much stick to the basics, the day
one install stuff I'll be wearing those days.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I like this. I like this. I want to get
into the x's and o's and what we've seen it
camp to this point. But let's just talk about the
practices themselves. Years past Day one, Day two, Day three
of training camp. The country Club feel it had our
hour and fifteen minutes they're off the field a little
bit lighter feel these first three days of practice almost
two hours every day. It feels like I've seen more
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team drills. It feels like I've seen more urgency. You
mentioned thought that it was from a non padded practice standpoint,
some of the most physical stuff you've seen to this point.
Talk to that. The nature of just the the off
season plan that we're talking about, trying to get off
to a after starting how you've seen that through three
practices it.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Feels more like a college practice, which is a good thing.
They brought in a college defensive coordinator to develop these
young guys on defense examples today, like I got out
of here fifteen minutes early, tried to be early. The
whole defense was out here already doing a I guess
you could call it like a ball disruption circuit where
and this is another theme, like it's not just the
defensive linemen are doing their drills. The safeties have their thing.
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The line, it's it's a rotation, and guys are mixed
in different groups, and you do this drill the natural
and the word dodgeballs involved, and then ideally you take
it out on the field. And on the field, the
word I keep using is there's a youthful exuberance. There's contact.
Sometimes there's guys going a little too far. You don't
want that, but you know what, I'm okay with that
for now. For a defense that has had nothing to
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be confident about for two years, to show some of
that enthusiasm, youthful swagger, that's something they need if they
want any chance.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't want to spend too much time dwelling on
who's not here, but from a Trey Hendrickson standpoint, from
a Shamar Stewart standpoint, do you get the rush into
the field that things are any closer today than what
they were yesterday or the day before.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
My answer to this question always is to Jesse Bates
technically not a holdout because he hadn't signed the franchise
tag getting twenty two and at the end of that season,
I had a long story on Jesse and I was
talking to Jesse and I said, Jesse, why'd you report
the day he did? And he goes, you know what.
I just felt like it. I wasn't planning on it.
It changed Trey and Schamar two very distinct personalities that
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are going to change their mind at some point because
they're under contract and they're gonna play or else their
careers will be insignificant, a significantly different place. So what
that day is, frankly, I just think they're gonna wake
up one day and change their minds.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
What we have seen on the field. In my opinion,
Joe Burrow said, the defense won day one. Felts like
the offense has won the last two days, and that's
what I expected. This is an offense that can be
at the top of the league, if not one of
the top three offenses in the NFL, and a defense
that has a new coordinator and a lot of new
pieces and young pieces that are learning a new system.
What has stood out to you the most to this
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point on the offensive.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Side of the ball. I've spent every ounce of energy
I have trying to focus on the defense. And that's
the answer to the question. The emphasis on the offensive
side of the ball is there's no new thing. There's
no new Joe Burrow having to go out of his
way to teach a new tight end the system. I
will say this though, kind of a fun wrinkle from
today and I talked to Jake Brown about this after practice.
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Was kind of the theme of the day from an
offensive standpoint. In the red zone was they were they
were doing the red zone drills. You saw you saw
the Jamar Chase catch highlight. A lot of pushing the
back corner of the end zone with throws that I
compared to like the touchdown to end the Baltimore game
before the two point conversion, kind of that lob over
the two defensive backs. They were doing a lot of
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ideas like that today, Like there was a wheel route
to Chase Brown and well, that's new. That's Chase Brown's versatility,
that's confidence in him making a leaping play. Jake Browning said, yeah,
like that is an idea where we're building on in
this offense because of the skill sets we have.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I saw yesterday the first play a team on the
opposite field, Joe Burrow found Jermaine Burton on a back
shoulder throw down the field. Today he found Jermaine Burton
multiple times in team drills. Jake Browning found Jermaine Burton.
It feels like, again small sample size three days in
you talk about the trust and the confidence of Joe
Burrow to Jermaine Burton and where this offense can take
off to if wide receiver three becomes that. What has
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been your takeaway from watching Jermaine Burton through three days?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
One thousand percent agree with everything he said, especially the
caveat that it's just been three days. My line on
Jermaine Burton is at some point they're going to need
him to catch a d ball down the sideline in
an important moment, But nobody can you know, who knows
whether it's going to be week one, week seventeen, first quarter,
third quarter and Jermaine has to be ready for that moment. Yeah,
and he has to be there in that moment. The
early indications have been successful. Browning really went on today
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talking about just the difference of Jermaine having a feel
for where he's supposed to be on the field and
building out that route tree. Browning also said, you can
really tell that Jermaine Burton used his summer with the
way he's running routes, with the confidence he has in
the playbook. It's been the right stuff. It's early. He
has to be ready in that moment whenever it comes.
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But a successful first three days to this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Point, running back is an interesting spot for me because
you know it's Chase brown after that. There are things
you like about each of the guys that are in
that room. When all is said and done, do you
think they carry four running backs on this roster going forward?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I have no idea how Zach Moss is going to look.
I think they guaranteed some of his money, so that's
a sign.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That I've liked what I've seen from TODs Brooks.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I like what I've seen from Todds Brooks as well.
His special teams value will probably be a part of
the conversation. Last year, they panicked in their mind by
having to trade for Khalil Herbert. I think they regretted
that move. That's nothing against Khalil Herbert. But then in
April when it's like, man, I wish we had more
than six picks. Learning that lesson from last year and
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the attrition that running backs take, I do think if
Moss looks good, they'll carry.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
For no offense was here yesterday, he left without a
deal in place. What do we know about that? And
did you or do you think that Noah Fan would
fit well into this system.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I absolutely love the fact that they brought him in
because the Bengals for years have had undrafted free agents
guys with barely NFL playing experience, all these guys who
who it's who as their training camp depth, and then
they entered the season and no offense to any of
these guys. But they entered the season with you know,
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for example, you know, like Logan Woodside as their third
quarterback and travy On Williams is their fourth running back,
and you know down the line, like I remember I
was talking about Devin ASIASI yesterday. Was their idea to
bring it in because they've been over reliant on waiver claims,
No go out and actually use the month of July
to find guys who could be your fifty third to
maybe fifty eight best player, and if one of them
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makes the team, well that's better than where you wire.
And I do know that they're looking more opportunities for
that fant Brian Desmond Ritter. Their strengthening the very very
back of this roster.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean, how much do you think they got a
high Desmond Redder doing these preseason games so that he's
not picked up somewhere else on an NFL roster.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
I think that's like, actually, like there's a world where
that happens and someone picks him up as a back good.
I No one's told me this. I think the plan
is that he'll be the backup next season. Yeah, like
that's just me reading into nothing, but that's the idea
Brown and will be gone developed someone in the system
like you did with Brown.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Is it too early in camp to talk about O
line and D line because you just don't get the
one on ones, the pads, the physical battles. Yet it's
hard to decipher. It's easy to see, Okay, Jamar Chase
just flashed or running back. It's hard to tell those
trench battles. Are you able to decipher anything on either
of the lines?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
You know? Ted Kris called the offensive line for the
first half of practice sloppy today. There was a lot
of broken plays, scrambled drill type stuff that you wish
were cleaner. But the defensive line was winning with no pads.
What does that really mean? I did spend a lot
of time watching Scott Peter's coach today, kind of during
individual drills, kind of spreading it around and not just
being hyper focused on Dylan Fairchild, but maybe looping Fairchild
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in the conversations that help him catch up the speed
in those ways Fairchild, just watching him move sleds and
do all that physical stuff. Does have better physical tools
than all the other guards, and he seemed to be
taking the coaching. Will you know. I won't name names,
but Peters showed some frustration with some other guys, so
that wasn't happening with Fairchild. So that I see is
a good sound of where he's.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
At defensively, not diving in much to the defensive line.
Linebacker position I think is unique for this team because
Logan Wilson was on this unbelievable trajectory and it flattened out.
He's still a really good player, but we've seen some injuries.
They went and got Oron Burks, who had a phenomenal
playoff run, but then after getting him, they drafted Demitrius
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Knight with one of their higher draft picks. How do
you view the linebacker room right now as a strength
for this team.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I think Logan Wilson's a really under the radar storyline
because he did drop off last season, and Franklin, I've
heard this and I also saw this. I think we
all saw this. Him getting downhill against the run, attacking
a gap, taking on contact wasn't at the level that
Logan Wilson should be out last season a violence to
his game now was that because the injury he was
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dealing with that eventually ended his season probably, but finding
that gear again is the next step for him, and
he's still plenty young enough to handle that. They're rotating
in linebackers more than any position. Obviously. I even saw
Joe Giles Harris in there getting some not notable snaps.
But he's in there, and you know, we don't know
his name. They're setting this upisode of Metrius Night I
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think wins this battle. Barrett Carter's intriguing. They're also gonna
get more linebackers on the field anyway against twelve personnel,
so there's a role for him or maybe Burks to
chip in. I don't think Burke says an inside track
at all to start. A lot's being put on Knight's plate.
So far, he's handling the mental stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Well, safety corner the secondary as a whole. Again, it's
hard because you mentioned the play and everyone's seen the
video now. Joe Barlow, Jamar Chase couldn't cover it any better,
Like you're gonna get beat on situations like that. But
we saw yesterday te Higgins got over top of the defense.
We've seen some missed assignments. How much do you make
of what you've seen from the secondary through a couple
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of days.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
A lot more than any of the position. This is
the position I'm watching thoroughly. It's very much almost an
exploratory phase with the secondary, from what matchups do you
work best in? What roles would alignments slot outside? They're
kind of letting that play itself out or sort itself
out by moving guys around that's also a part of
the new identity of this defense. I also, you know,
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see and have heard this. The idea in the plan
is that the biggest difference from the coordinator change will
be reflected in the fresh start the camp Taylor brit gets.
He's getting a much fresher start. He's got of being
treated a lot differently in the role he has and
what he's allowed to do. I think that helps him
be confident vocally, be confident in his play, not be
looking over his shoulder after he makes a mistake. I
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think that's nice to see. But he also has a
lot to clean up, and then you know, get Dax's back.
I think fig Newton has the it factor but has
to cover I'm not the highest guy on DJ Turner.
But we'll see how this evolves.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You know, I was thinking yesterday when I was years
ago playing and just how overwhelmed I was when you
get that playbook and camp starts, and then the playbook
expands even more, and there's never a time where things
slow down. If you don't stay up to speed, you
get left behind. They can't hold your hand and move
you along. And I'm thinking of that as it relates
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to Shamar Stewart because he's not here. He didn't do
anything in the offseason other than show up and watch.
But for a rookie like that who is not here
and is not getting the playbook and is not getting
the reps on the field outside of the physical shape
that he's in, at what point does it become a
concern that you hit a threshold of the preseason and say, well,
you can't really rely on him this year because he's
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not gonna be able to get up to the speed mentally
in what you're able to do. Now, maybe you have
a package on third and seven, you say, hey, just
go in and get after the quarterback. But is there
a threshold you can see where Shamar Stewart where you
can think, well, they're not gonna be able to get
him up to speed mentally or physically to the season.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Especially because like he's not competing with you know, bad
defensive end X for snaps. It's like, if you're just
raiding these guys and where they're at right now, you
could make the case for any of Joseph Seimaus Murph
or Shamar Stewart right now Week one being the guy
set up to be the best and the worst of
that group. And if you're the worst, you're defensive end
four and you're fighting for snaps, let alone a role.
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The narrative of Stewart has shifted so much, and obviously
the focus is where it should be. Sure we forget
what the real narrative with Shamar Stewart is, and that's
can this guy affect the quarterback? Can this guy finish?
What does this guy have to learn and develop? And
do the Bengals have the right plan to maximize that.
That's all the stuff that and again we'll see if
he's good, but all the stuff that had Bengals fans
concerned immediately when they made the pick. We still know
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none of that about Shamar Stewart. That's a huge piece
on Al Golden's plate since the draft, and especially now
as your time gets compressed in shrinks by the day.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We talked about this earlier with Evan McPherson on the
there's not really that can't battle that's happening. But Evan
McPherson did not have a good year last year. What
do you view if let's say Game one comes and
let's say he trots out there for a forty six
yarder and misses it against Cleveland. What is the conversation
for a team that is trying to limit the margin
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for air. Is there a scenario if he doesn't get
back to form where you can see a player being
brought in to push Evan McPherson. Knowing how that played
itself out last year.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I think he'd be further than Week one. But if
he's terrible, then yes, of course, especially with the lack
of bankability he at last season, that builds up and accumulates.
The real story with Evan is and I don't think
this has been talked about enough. Is the story of
his career is really injuries. What hasn't been discussed enough
is he has had a lingering right groin injury since
twenty twenty one that he actually pushed through in the
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postseason that year, that impacted him as a strain. In
twenty twenty two, he had a bad year, completely healthy.
In twenty twenty three, awesome, earns a new deal. Four
lingering progresses, gets worse fully tears season ending injury, goes
an Iard end the season. That tear obviously leads to
a reevaluation. Looking at the process, there's been a lot
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of kind of behind the scenes physical stuff, and we
have all that kind of stuff that he's doing because
kind of like Nico Lodola, when he's healthy, he's like
and I think Evans focus is health right now, and
if that health is there, there will be more confidence.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well, since you brought it up, Charlie, let's switch gears
to the Reds really quickly. We've already seen a couple
dominoes fall. Gregory Soto traded earlier today to the New
York match. Josh Naylor last night goes from Arizona to
the Seattle Mariners. We know there's mutual interest between the
Reds and Arizona Diamondbacks about a u Haaneo Suarez. Do
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you think the Reds will make a move for a
rental even though you know two games back some people
are critical of them going after a rental. What do
you think their strategy will be at the deadline?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
They're interesting into rental, and if the Diamondbacks surprise me
and they view Adam Serwanowski or Ricardo Cabrera or someone
like that. Ricardo Breer is heard, you get the point.
I'm Ricky Sanchez, so I'm thinking of like, if they
view someone like that at a different tier and surprise
all of us. Great, let's do that. Let's trade one
of your mid range ish prospects for rental like Suarz.
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I'd be all in for that. But the problem is,
and what's not getting discussed enough, like this Aoheno Suarez
market is extremely, extremely extremely competitive. The Yankees, that keep saying,
are so desperate for third base that they brought in
Jamer Candelaria to be on their Triple A hoping that
he'll pop, and he has not been great. The Mets,
it's reported, are out on Suarz, but they need help
at third. The Cubs are a huge one that needs
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help with They're the Mariners, They're all these teams more aggressive.
The problem is, and this is, this is just where
their heads are. One of the Riads ever been the
most aggressive compared to those teams. They'd have to be
to get they'd have to be to gaint Suarez, they'd
have to do that. So, unless there's some crazy disalignment
between how they're to view a prospect and the Diamondbacks,
would that be tougher. I love the idea of getting
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a second Nick Martinez and adding adding that to this
pitching staff. That's my focus.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
What about Hunter Green? Are are we any further along
and understanding where Hunter Green is at in his process?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
So I asked Brad MEDAA, general manager, and here's where
I phrased it. I'll recreate the question I said in
twenty twenty three year plan at the deadline was you
were counting on Hunter Green and Nick Litola returning from
injuries and picking up the rotation, carrying the rotation. Lodola
ever returned, Green returned and was inconsistent before a strong finish.
What can you expect and how does a guy being
heard at this type of year impact your planning? And
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Brad answered that in a fascinating way, and he's right
because there was a kind of dumb element to this question,
because what Brad's answer was was Hunter Green's one of
the best pitchers in baseball. We are planning for him
to be in her rotation. That's where the Reds are at,
and I know her guy comes back at the deadline
is the most over you, you know, we all you know,
look at it however you want to look at it.
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But they they are planning for Hunter Green to go
back in their rotation and pitch at a high level.
That's part of that's just because whenever Hunter's ready, you're
gonna give him that opportunity because of the ceiling that
he has. So it's gone on longer than it expected.
The word I keep using is confusing. But he checked
off the first box in Arizona the other day and
he'll keep progressing.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Was moving Noelvie Marte to right field something that they
did with the thought of going and potentially acquiring a
third basement or bringing one up or something like that.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
It certainly helps the flexibility. The original idea was that,
I mean, it was what Friday in New York, you
had Martin and Martin at third Andes. But all and right,
you look at you is you know, this is just
a better team if these guys are swapped. Sure, also
long term considerations with salth Stewart coming up. But yes,
there are short term considerations. But I think what everyone
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wants the rights to do is go get like this
great bat like Suarez. I think it's just a bad
class for that type of battle. Like Suarez is great.
There's gonna be a heck of a bidding war for him.
There are a couple other fun ones we'll see what
the Red Socks do with some of the guys they have,
But I think it's just a bad Maybe there's an exception,
but I think it's just not quite a good enough
class there to say, oh, yes, get all one of
these great third basemen, because you know, Ryan McMahon and Ramonaius.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Don't do much for it right now. Do you view
them as a playoff team.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I think they're a team worth giving a real shot
without sacrificing the future, which I think, or which is
how they view it as well, and as frustrating as
that is for a team that hasn't won a postseason
series since nineteen ninety five, that's the world they have
to live in, especially because of the risk of going
all in with the potential of a work stoppage in
twenty seven. Because if they go all in and then
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the bill comes due in twenty seven and then they
have all these other limitations, well then they're in a
terrible spot. So that's got to be in their mind.
That's where they are. It's not fun, it's not a
high enough ceiling, but that's where they're at.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Do you think how they perform over the next month
will play a role in whether or not they call
up Sal Stewart or do they have a plan for
him that they're gonna stick to regardless of where they're
at in the hunt.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I mean, a player on this accelerator of a timeline
always kind of controls his own destiny. And the Stewart
timeline reminds me a lot of the Noulovi Marte timeline
in twenty three and he was called up in the
middle of August. I want to say, wasn't like an
every everyday guy, but they mixed him in like that's
that's an all in move, calling up god a solidifire
bench like that. Now he has struggled a bit, like
his first week in Triple A, he'll be fine. I
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could see him up. Stuart's very confident that'll be up
at some point this season. Hector Rodriguez too, Like you
guys know, I've I've planned myself Stewart flag and I'm
continuing to do that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Has you brought it here with you? You've planned it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Hector is a.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Guy who I'm not saying he's Sal, but Hector belonged.
Hector deserves more buzz as a guy who can be
in a similar position.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I have to ask before we let you go. It's
a big weekend. The Tampa Bay Razor in town, Bengals
training camps happening, the music festivals here, the Big Three
is in town. I've been it up ice cube and
the Big Three are in town. Lionel Messi was sanctioned.
He's not playing against FC Cincinnati tomorrow night. How are
you planning this and your your weekend here in Cincinnati, Charlie.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Would you like to see my color coded spreadsheet? And no,
we're on the radio. Yes, so this won't completely trans Yes,
but I've got this planned out through the Broncos Monday
night game.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Look, Charlie, if I could, if I could just paint
this picture Austin. Charlie just pulled up literally a color
coded sheet right now.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
This sounds like what Dan Horde esque with his travels.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Guys, So what do we got?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
So? Like tomorrow the Bengals are off, so I won't
say that. We'll skip to Sunday practice at ten that's
highlighted in orange. Then at eleven, I have a red
sliver because it's a Red's Day game. I'm going to
try to make it to the Reds pregame availability first
before I get over to practice because of the timing,
and that red sliver is a reminder of that. Then
there are two more orange slivers to reflect that through
one o'clock. Ideally I'll be a Bengals practice in locker room.
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Then it moves from orange to red with the words
Red's day game going red through the rest of the
day as I'll go there and then right off the
reds and I have that again through every day, including
my travel until September twenty before it's you know, I
love to.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
See the born readies there Lance Stevenson's in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Do you have since three six on there?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Oh, what color would that be? What color would that be?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah? What color would you use for us?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
You know the podcast appearances that do I just have
him white? Okay, so that would just be a plain.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
White Okay, all right, Charlie are the best man.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Charlie.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I can't thank you for coming out here enough and
and spend some time with us. Enjoy what is a
busy weekend. It looks like based on your your color
mother play, It's fantastic. This is awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I've got Bengals guys asking me about the deadline of
that Red's guys asking me about Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, you've got listen when we said this yesterday. You've
got two organizations that have like once in generational talent
that are looking to build around to build a championship.
Reds with Elie, Bengals with Joe Burrow, and you get
to cover it all. It's fun, Charlie, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back hour two since the three sixty. We're here
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In two, this is a long stretch down here. Mike
Mills gets here like eight eight thirty in the morning,
stays until we're done to take things down. And our
guy Jim Mooring from the Holy Grail has helped down
a couple of days. And today BILLI Siri with Donado's pizza.
They dropped ops and watch right when practice ended, could
not be taken care of any better down here.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You boys getting your fluids down there. A lot of
fluid shot.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Out right now, but shout out to Donado's Man. Shout
out to BILLI Siri and hooking us up today. What
a special treat. We get to do it every Friday.
Talk to Charlie Goldsmith, but rarely do I get to
see Charlie in person. And it's one of the things
Austin that during the training camp show I miss is
the ability to roam around the sidelines with Charlie and
others and talk about what's going on during practice. So
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I'm excited to have Charlie here. He's sitting with us
at an empty Bengals practice field right now, and Charlie,
before we even dive into the team, I have to
ask you, what did you think of Mike Petrali as
out there yesterday?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Fashion is an individual thing and I'm happy that he
is wearing clothes that that reflects his personality. Great.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Do you think it was a miss from Drags with
the attention he got to not double up on something
crazy today?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know what Tony, I'm gonna talk to you about
safety Blitzer, is that I got nothing on the fashion
stuff you were talking to. That's like asking Joe Burrow
about the Cincinnati cyclone, like asking me about the Cincinnati cyclones.
I've got absolutely no qualifications or fashion ability myself to
be able to weigh in in any sort of confident manner.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Do you think your clothes represent your personality?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Charlie So, I mean this is a conversation, like, I mean,
what am I wearring today at Great Polo and khakis?
Like I very much stick to the basics, the day
one install stuff I'll be wearing those days.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I like this. I like this. I want to get
into the x's and o's and what we've seen it
camp to this point. But let's just talk about the
practices themselves. Years past Day one, Day two, Day three
of training camp. The country Club feel it had our
hour and fifteen minutes they're off the field a little
bit lighter feel these first three days of practice almost
two hours every day. It feels like I've seen more
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team drills. It feels like I've seen more urgency. You
mentioned thought that it was from a non padded practice standpoint,
some of the most physical stuff you've seen to this point.
Talk to that. The nature of just the the off
season plan that we're talking about, trying to get off
to a after starting how you've seen that through three
practices it.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Feels more like a college practice, which is a good thing.
They brought in a college defensive coordinator to develop these
young guys on defense examples today, like I got out
of here fifteen minutes early, tried to be early. The
whole defense was out here already doing a I guess
you could call it like a ball disruption circuit where
and this is another theme, like it's not just the
defensive linemen are doing their drills. The safeties have their thing.
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The line, it's it's a rotation, and guys are mixed
in different groups, and you do this drill the natural
and the word dodgeballs involved, and then ideally you take
it out on the field. And on the field, the
word I keep using is there's a youthful exuberance. There's contact.
Sometimes there's guys going a little too far. You don't
want that, but you know what, I'm okay with that
for now. For a defense that has had nothing to
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be confident about for two years, to show some of
that enthusiasm, youthful swagger, that's something they need if they
want any chance.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't want to spend too much time dwelling on
who's not here, but from a Trey Hendrickson standpoint, from
a Shamar Stewart standpoint, do you get the rush into
the field that things are any closer today than what
they were yesterday or the day before.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
My answer to this question always is to Jesse Bates
technically not a holdout because he hadn't signed the franchise
tag getting twenty two and at the end of that season,
I had a long story on Jesse and I was
talking to Jesse and I said, Jesse, why'd you report
the day he did? And he goes, you know what.
I just felt like it. I wasn't planning on it.
It changed Trey and Schamar two very distinct personalities that
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are going to change their mind at some point because
they're under contract and they're gonna play or else their
careers will be insignificant, a significantly different place. So what
that day is, frankly, I just think they're gonna wake
up one day and change their minds.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
What we have seen on the field. In my opinion,
Joe Burrow said, the defense won day one. Felts like
the offense has won the last two days, and that's
what I expected. This is an offense that can be
at the top of the league, if not one of
the top three offenses in the NFL, and a defense
that has a new coordinator and a lot of new
pieces and young pieces that are learning a new system.
What has stood out to you the most to this
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point on the offensive.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Side of the ball. I've spent every ounce of energy
I have trying to focus on the defense. And that's
the answer to the question. The emphasis on the offensive
side of the ball is there's no new thing. There's
no new Joe Burrow having to go out of his
way to teach a new tight end the system. I
will say this though, kind of a fun wrinkle from
today and I talked to Jake Brown about this after practice.
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Was kind of the theme of the day from an
offensive standpoint. In the red zone was they were they
were doing the red zone drills. You saw you saw
the Jamar Chase catch highlight. A lot of pushing the
back corner of the end zone with throws that I
compared to like the touchdown to end the Baltimore game
before the two point conversion, kind of that lob over
the two defensive backs. They were doing a lot of
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ideas like that today, Like there was a wheel route
to Chase Brown and well, that's new. That's Chase Brown's versatility,
that's confidence in him making a leaping play. Jake Browning said, yeah,
like that is an idea where we're building on in
this offense because of the skill sets we have.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I saw yesterday the first play a team on the
opposite field, Joe Burrow found Jermaine Burton on a back
shoulder throw down the field. Today he found Jermaine Burton
multiple times in team drills. Jake Browning found Jermaine Burton.
It feels like, again small sample size three days in
you talk about the trust and the confidence of Joe
Burrow to Jermaine Burton and where this offense can take
off to if wide receiver three becomes that. What has
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been your takeaway from watching Jermaine Burton through three days?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
One thousand percent agree with everything he said, especially the
caveat that it's just been three days. My line on
Jermaine Burton is at some point they're going to need
him to catch a d ball down the sideline in
an important moment, But nobody can you know, who knows
whether it's going to be week one, week seventeen, first quarter,
third quarter and Jermaine has to be ready for that moment. Yeah,
and he has to be there in that moment. The
early indications have been successful. Browning really went on today
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talking about just the difference of Jermaine having a feel
for where he's supposed to be on the field and
building out that route tree. Browning also said, you can
really tell that Jermaine Burton used his summer with the
way he's running routes, with the confidence he has in
the playbook. It's been the right stuff. It's early. He
has to be ready in that moment whenever it comes.
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But a successful first three days to this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Point, running back is an interesting spot for me because
you know it's Chase brown after that. There are things
you like about each of the guys that are in
that room. When all is said and done, do you
think they carry four running backs on this roster going forward?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I have no idea how Zach Moss is going to look.
I think they guaranteed some of his money, so that's
a sign.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That I've liked what I've seen from TODs Brooks.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I like what I've seen from Todds Brooks as well.
His special teams value will probably be a part of
the conversation. Last year, they panicked in their mind by
having to trade for Khalil Herbert. I think they regretted
that move. That's nothing against Khalil Herbert. But then in
April when it's like, man, I wish we had more
than six picks. Learning that lesson from last year and
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the attrition that running backs take, I do think if
Moss looks good, they'll carry.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
For no offense was here yesterday, he left without a
deal in place. What do we know about that? And
did you or do you think that Noah Fan would
fit well into this system.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I absolutely love the fact that they brought him in
because the Bengals for years have had undrafted free agents
guys with barely NFL playing experience, all these guys who
who it's who as their training camp depth, and then
they entered the season and no offense to any of
these guys. But they entered the season with you know,
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for example, you know, like Logan Woodside as their third
quarterback and travy On Williams is their fourth running back,
and you know down the line, like I remember I
was talking about Devin ASIASI yesterday. Was their idea to
bring it in because they've been over reliant on waiver claims,
No go out and actually use the month of July
to find guys who could be your fifty third to
maybe fifty eight best player, and if one of them
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makes the team, well that's better than where you wire.
And I do know that they're looking more opportunities for
that fant Brian Desmond Ritter. Their strengthening the very very
back of this roster.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean, how much do you think they got a
high Desmond Redder doing these preseason games so that he's
not picked up somewhere else on an NFL roster.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
I think that's like, actually, like there's a world where
that happens and someone picks him up as a back good.
I No one's told me this. I think the plan
is that he'll be the backup next season. Yeah, like
that's just me reading into nothing, but that's the idea
Brown and will be gone developed someone in the system
like you did with Brown.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Is it too early in camp to talk about O
line and D line because you just don't get the
one on ones, the pads, the physical battles. Yet it's
hard to decipher. It's easy to see, Okay, Jamar Chase
just flashed or running back. It's hard to tell those
trench battles. Are you able to decipher anything on either
of the lines?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
You know? Ted Kris called the offensive line for the
first half of practice sloppy today. There was a lot
of broken plays, scrambled drill type stuff that you wish
were cleaner. But the defensive line was winning with no pads.
What does that really mean? I did spend a lot
of time watching Scott Peter's coach today, kind of during
individual drills, kind of spreading it around and not just
being hyper focused on Dylan Fairchild, but maybe looping Fairchild
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in the conversations that help him catch up the speed
in those ways Fairchild, just watching him move sleds and
do all that physical stuff. Does have better physical tools
than all the other guards, and he seemed to be
taking the coaching. Will you know. I won't name names,
but Peters showed some frustration with some other guys, so
that wasn't happening with Fairchild. So that I see is
a good sound of where he's.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
At defensively, not diving in much to the defensive line.
Linebacker position I think is unique for this team because
Logan Wilson was on this unbelievable trajectory and it flattened out.
He's still a really good player, but we've seen some injuries.
They went and got Oron Burks, who had a phenomenal
playoff run, but then after getting him, they drafted Demitrius
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Knight with one of their higher draft picks. How do
you view the linebacker room right now as a strength
for this team.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I think Logan Wilson's a really under the radar storyline
because he did drop off last season, and Franklin, I've
heard this and I also saw this. I think we
all saw this. Him getting downhill against the run, attacking
a gap, taking on contact wasn't at the level that
Logan Wilson should be out last season a violence to
his game now was that because the injury he was
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dealing with that eventually ended his season probably, but finding
that gear again is the next step for him, and
he's still plenty young enough to handle that. They're rotating
in linebackers more than any position. Obviously. I even saw
Joe Giles Harris in there getting some not notable snaps.
But he's in there, and you know, we don't know
his name. They're setting this upisode of Metrius Night I
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think wins this battle. Barrett Carter's intriguing. They're also gonna
get more linebackers on the field anyway against twelve personnel,
so there's a role for him or maybe Burks to
chip in. I don't think Burke says an inside track
at all to start. A lot's being put on Knight's plate.
So far, he's handling the mental stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Well, safety corner the secondary as a whole. Again, it's
hard because you mentioned the play and everyone's seen the
video now. Joe Barlow, Jamar Chase couldn't cover it any better,
Like you're gonna get beat on situations like that. But
we saw yesterday te Higgins got over top of the defense.
We've seen some missed assignments. How much do you make
of what you've seen from the secondary through a couple
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of days.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
A lot more than any of the position. This is
the position I'm watching thoroughly. It's very much almost an
exploratory phase with the secondary, from what matchups do you
work best in? What roles would alignments slot outside? They're
kind of letting that play itself out or sort itself
out by moving guys around that's also a part of
the new identity of this defense. I also, you know,
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see and have heard this. The idea in the plan
is that the biggest difference from the coordinator change will
be reflected in the fresh start the camp Taylor brit gets.
He's getting a much fresher start. He's got of being
treated a lot differently in the role he has and
what he's allowed to do. I think that helps him
be confident vocally, be confident in his play, not be
looking over his shoulder after he makes a mistake. I
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think that's nice to see. But he also has a
lot to clean up, and then you know, get Dax's back.
I think fig Newton has the it factor but has
to cover I'm not the highest guy on DJ Turner.
But we'll see how this evolves.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You know, I was thinking yesterday when I was years
ago playing and just how overwhelmed I was when you
get that playbook and camp starts, and then the playbook
expands even more, and there's never a time where things
slow down. If you don't stay up to speed, you
get left behind. They can't hold your hand and move
you along. And I'm thinking of that as it relates
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to Shamar Stewart because he's not here. He didn't do
anything in the offseason other than show up and watch.
But for a rookie like that who is not here
and is not getting the playbook and is not getting
the reps on the field outside of the physical shape
that he's in, at what point does it become a
concern that you hit a threshold of the preseason and say, well,
you can't really rely on him this year because he's
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not gonna be able to get up to the speed mentally
in what you're able to do. Now, maybe you have
a package on third and seven, you say, hey, just
go in and get after the quarterback. But is there
a threshold you can see where Shamar Stewart where you
can think, well, they're not gonna be able to get
him up to speed mentally or physically to the season.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Especially because like he's not competing with you know, bad
defensive end X for snaps. It's like, if you're just
raiding these guys and where they're at right now, you
could make the case for any of Joseph Seimaus Murph
or Shamar Stewart right now Week one being the guy
set up to be the best and the worst of
that group. And if you're the worst, you're defensive end
four and you're fighting for snaps, let alone a role.
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The narrative of Stewart has shifted so much, and obviously
the focus is where it should be. Sure we forget
what the real narrative with Shamar Stewart is, and that's
can this guy affect the quarterback? Can this guy finish?
What does this guy have to learn and develop? And
do the Bengals have the right plan to maximize that.
That's all the stuff that and again we'll see if
he's good, but all the stuff that had Bengals fans
concerned immediately when they made the pick. We still know
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none of that about Shamar Stewart. That's a huge piece
on Al Golden's plate since the draft, and especially now
as your time gets compressed in shrinks by the day.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We talked about this earlier with Evan McPherson on the
there's not really that can't battle that's happening. But Evan
McPherson did not have a good year last year. What
do you view if let's say Game one comes and
let's say he trots out there for a forty six
yarder and misses it against Cleveland. What is the conversation
for a team that is trying to limit the margin
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for air. Is there a scenario if he doesn't get
back to form where you can see a player being
brought in to push Evan McPherson. Knowing how that played
itself out last year.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I think he'd be further than Week one. But if
he's terrible, then yes, of course, especially with the lack
of bankability he at last season, that builds up and accumulates.
The real story with Evan is and I don't think
this has been talked about enough. Is the story of
his career is really injuries. What hasn't been discussed enough
is he has had a lingering right groin injury since
twenty twenty one that he actually pushed through in the
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postseason that year, that impacted him as a strain. In
twenty twenty two, he had a bad year, completely healthy.
In twenty twenty three, awesome, earns a new deal. Four
lingering progresses, gets worse fully tears season ending injury, goes
an Iard end the season. That tear obviously leads to
a reevaluation. Looking at the process, there's been a lot
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of kind of behind the scenes physical stuff, and we
have all that kind of stuff that he's doing because
kind of like Nico Lodola, when he's healthy, he's like
and I think Evans focus is health right now, and
if that health is there, there will be more confidence.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well, since you brought it up, Charlie, let's switch gears
to the Reds really quickly. We've already seen a couple
dominoes fall. Gregory Soto traded earlier today to the New
York match. Josh Naylor last night goes from Arizona to
the Seattle Mariners. We know there's mutual interest between the
Reds and Arizona Diamondbacks about a u Haaneo Suarez. Do
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you think the Reds will make a move for a
rental even though you know two games back some people
are critical of them going after a rental. What do
you think their strategy will be at the deadline?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
They're interesting into rental, and if the Diamondbacks surprise me
and they view Adam Serwanowski or Ricardo Cabrera or someone
like that. Ricardo Breer is heard, you get the point.
I'm Ricky Sanchez, so I'm thinking of like, if they
view someone like that at a different tier and surprise
all of us. Great, let's do that. Let's trade one
of your mid range ish prospects for rental like Suarz.
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I'd be all in for that. But the problem is,
and what's not getting discussed enough, like this Aoheno Suarez
market is extremely, extremely extremely competitive. The Yankees, that keep saying,
are so desperate for third base that they brought in
Jamer Candelaria to be on their Triple A hoping that
he'll pop, and he has not been great. The Mets,
it's reported, are out on Suarz, but they need help
at third. The Cubs are a huge one that needs
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help with They're the Mariners, They're all these teams more aggressive.
The problem is, and this is, this is just where
their heads are. One of the Riads ever been the
most aggressive compared to those teams. They'd have to be
to get they'd have to be to gaint Suarez, they'd
have to do that. So, unless there's some crazy disalignment
between how they're to view a prospect and the Diamondbacks,
would that be tougher. I love the idea of getting
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a second Nick Martinez and adding adding that to this
pitching staff. That's my focus.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
What about Hunter Green? Are are we any further along
and understanding where Hunter Green is at in his process?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
So I asked Brad MEDAA, general manager, and here's where
I phrased it. I'll recreate the question I said in
twenty twenty three year plan at the deadline was you
were counting on Hunter Green and Nick Litola returning from
injuries and picking up the rotation, carrying the rotation. Lodola
ever returned, Green returned and was inconsistent before a strong finish.
What can you expect and how does a guy being
heard at this type of year impact your planning? And
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Brad answered that in a fascinating way, and he's right
because there was a kind of dumb element to this question,
because what Brad's answer was was Hunter Green's one of
the best pitchers in baseball. We are planning for him
to be in her rotation. That's where the Reds are at,
and I know her guy comes back at the deadline
is the most over you, you know, we all you know,
look at it however you want to look at it.
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But they they are planning for Hunter Green to go
back in their rotation and pitch at a high level.
That's part of that's just because whenever Hunter's ready, you're
gonna give him that opportunity because of the ceiling that
he has. So it's gone on longer than it expected.
The word I keep using is confusing. But he checked
off the first box in Arizona the other day and
he'll keep progressing.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Was moving Noelvie Marte to right field something that they
did with the thought of going and potentially acquiring a
third basement or bringing one up or something like that.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
It certainly helps the flexibility. The original idea was that,
I mean, it was what Friday in New York, you
had Martin and Martin at third Andes. But all and right,
you look at you is you know, this is just
a better team if these guys are swapped. Sure, also
long term considerations with salth Stewart coming up. But yes,
there are short term considerations. But I think what everyone
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wants the rights to do is go get like this
great bat like Suarez. I think it's just a bad
class for that type of battle. Like Suarez is great.
There's gonna be a heck of a bidding war for him.
There are a couple other fun ones we'll see what
the Red Socks do with some of the guys they have,
But I think it's just a bad Maybe there's an exception,
but I think it's just not quite a good enough
class there to say, oh, yes, get all one of
these great third basemen, because you know, Ryan McMahon and Ramonaius.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Don't do much for it right now. Do you view
them as a playoff team.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I think they're a team worth giving a real shot
without sacrificing the future, which I think, or which is
how they view it as well, and as frustrating as
that is for a team that hasn't won a postseason
series since nineteen ninety five, that's the world they have
to live in, especially because of the risk of going
all in with the potential of a work stoppage in
twenty seven. Because if they go all in and then
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the bill comes due in twenty seven and then they
have all these other limitations, well then they're in a
terrible spot. So that's got to be in their mind.
That's where they are. It's not fun, it's not a
high enough ceiling, but that's where they're at.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Do you think how they perform over the next month
will play a role in whether or not they call
up Sal Stewart or do they have a plan for
him that they're gonna stick to regardless of where they're
at in the hunt.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I mean, a player on this accelerator of a timeline
always kind of controls his own destiny. And the Stewart
timeline reminds me a lot of the Noulovi Marte timeline
in twenty three and he was called up in the
middle of August. I want to say, wasn't like an
every everyday guy, but they mixed him in like that's
that's an all in move, calling up god a solidifire
bench like that. Now he has struggled a bit, like
his first week in Triple A, he'll be fine. I
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could see him up. Stuart's very confident that'll be up
at some point this season. Hector Rodriguez too, Like you
guys know, I've I've planned myself Stewart flag and I'm
continuing to do that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Has you brought it here with you? You've planned it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Hector is a.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Guy who I'm not saying he's Sal, but Hector belonged.
Hector deserves more buzz as a guy who can be
in a similar position.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I have to ask before we let you go. It's
a big weekend. The Tampa Bay Razor in town, Bengals
training camps happening, the music festivals here, the Big Three
is in town. I've been it up ice cube and
the Big Three are in town. Lionel Messi was sanctioned.
He's not playing against FC Cincinnati tomorrow night. How are
you planning this and your your weekend here in Cincinnati, Charlie.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Would you like to see my color coded spreadsheet? And no,
we're on the radio. Yes, so this won't completely trans Yes,
but I've got this planned out through the Broncos Monday
night game.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Look, Charlie, if I could, if I could just paint
this picture Austin. Charlie just pulled up literally a color
coded sheet right now.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
This sounds like what Dan Horde esque with his travels.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Guys, So what do we got?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
So? Like tomorrow the Bengals are off, so I won't
say that. We'll skip to Sunday practice at ten that's
highlighted in orange. Then at eleven, I have a red
sliver because it's a Red's Day game. I'm going to
try to make it to the Reds pregame availability first
before I get over to practice because of the timing,
and that red sliver is a reminder of that. Then
there are two more orange slivers to reflect that through
one o'clock. Ideally I'll be a Bengals practice in locker room.
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Then it moves from orange to red with the words
Red's day game going red through the rest of the
day as I'll go there and then right off the
reds and I have that again through every day, including
my travel until September twenty before it's you know, I
love to.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
See the born readies there Lance Stevenson's in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Do you have since three six on there?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Oh, what color would that be? What color would that be?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah? What color would you use for us?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
You know the podcast appearances that do I just have
him white? Okay, so that would just be a plain.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
White Okay, all right, Charlie are the best man.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Charlie.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I can't thank you for coming out here enough and
and spend some time with us. Enjoy what is a
busy weekend. It looks like based on your your color
mother play, It's fantastic. This is awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I've got Bengals guys asking me about the deadline of
that Red's guys asking me about Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, you've got listen when we said this yesterday. You've
got two organizations that have like once in generational talent
that are looking to build around to build a championship.
Reds with Elie, Bengals with Joe Burrow, and you get
to cover it all. It's fun, Charlie, Thank you so much.
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Man.
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