July 29, 2025 • 26 mins
Tony and Austin talk Bengals and Reds with Joey D from FOX 19 on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Here we go our number two thanks to Cinci Shirts
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thank you for
listening on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.
It's our number two. It's a Tuesday afternoon. The Bengals
do not have practice today, but that doesn't mean we
stop covering and talking about the Cincinnati Bengals. And who
better to do it with than our guy from Fox
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nineteen himself, the one that doesn't the one that doesn't
wear hey dudes with socks. We're talking about at least
of joining us right now, Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Joe, I don't even know what hay dudes are, but
now I do because of what happened to Trading Can.
By the way, has Mo come through with his Happy
Gilmore reviews?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Nothing yet?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He said he didn't get to watch it last night.
He's looking forward to watching it this evening.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Is he looking forward to it?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
He says he is.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He be looking forward to it now.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I don't know if he should based on our knowledge
of what Moe was looking forward to watching and what
we know about the movie ourselves, if you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Can save thirty to sixty seconds at the end of
his segment for my official review of Hattie Gilmour too,
I would appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Take as much time as you need, Joe.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Okay, just just save one minute at the end.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I got that our guy Maso from the Villa called
in and asked he's been asking questions. He's going through
the alphabet and he's he's asking questions based on players
with the same name. His question Lydia to finish hour one,
whose career would you rather have? Chris Collinsworth or Chris
Carter now Chris Carter born and bred, Hall of Fame
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or even after he's dead.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Buck Guy, born and bred Middletown. Who would you go with?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, it's kind of fun that both are. Chris is
with no age. Yes, So that's that's pretty unique right
there in itself. Chris Chris Carter jumps in mind because
he's got the Hall of Fame bus for eternity. Chris
collins Worth because he's got the greatest gig known demand
for you know, Obviously he doesn't work one day a week, but.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
He can't even get into the Bengals Ring of Honor, though.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
He pops on Sunday Night football, calls the biggest game
of the week, catches a huge check, and lives in
a great city. So I'm gonna go with Chris collins Worth.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Okay, fair enough, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let's talk about the team that Chris collins Worth played for,
the Cincinnati Bengals. Obviously it's an off day today, Joe,
but you've been able to take in a lot of
training camp. What has been some of the things you
followed that have stood out to you the most through
the first couple of days of camp.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know, it's interesting with the defense, and we're gonna
do this right, We're going to be skeptical of the
Bengals defense that, yes, coaching changes matter, and the Bengals
made one. That yes, adding free agents and TJ. Slayton
is an underrated free agent, and adding draft takes and
the Bengals added five on defense, those all help. But
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I think we're going to be skeptical, if you're a
smart fan of this defense, until we see what it
looks like when they start playing games and maybe not
even really have a really good judge at a handle
on what this defense is when they face whatever quarterback
slop that Cleveland throws out in Week one to start
the season. But I think it would be ignorant to
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ignore that it feels different that the younger voices that
have now kind of taken command of this defense, that
the empowerment they've gotten from Al Golden, that there's a
different energy and a different confidence to this group. Will
it result in different results this year? Certainly they're more
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talented this year, just by adding what they added in
free agency into the draft, and even though they didn't
make the big splash I'm sure a lot of fans
wanted them to make, they are more talented this year.
They do have a deeper defense. Is it going to
be enough for them to rise to the level that
they need to go to for this team not only
to get back to the playoffs, but the back in
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the position where they can beat playoff teams. I don't
think we're going to know that until the season starts,
but certainly, that's to me, has been the biggest difference
so far of training camp. And you go back to
Al Golden's original press conference when when he was asked
about a fast start in him coming in and being
part of that, he said that, you know, a fast
start doesn't start at training camp. A fast start starts
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in offseason workouts at OTAs and mandatory mini camp. And
you go back to what the Bengals defensive players are
telling us that it's not the first week of camp,
that it's not practice number one, that they've had, you know,
twenty practices already in the bank, that they feel very
confident hitting the ground running. You're at training camp, So
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I think it's unfair to ignore that there's a different
energy about the defense and that some of these young
guys are taking ownership of it. And I think that
should be exciting and paid attention to here at training camp.
But ultimately I want to see what it looks like
against Cleveland, against Jacksonville, against Minnesota, and then week five
against Detroit when when they start facing these really good offenses,
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to see where they really are. But certainly that's been
the storyline to me through one week.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
To add to that conversation, our guy, Charlie Goldsmith tweeted
yesterday that the pass rush is the winner of the
day from yesterday's padded practice the first patted practice. A
common theme that we've discussed for years of training camp
coverage has been the play of the offensive line, and
there are no shortage of questions around the offensive line
for the Bengals this year. We know Trey Hendrickson's not
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in camp, we know Shamar Stewart is just getting back
into the fold. When you see that from Charlie yesterday,
is your immediate thought, man, that's awesome to hear about
the defense. Does your thought go to the other side
of well, that means the offensive line struggled a little bit,
and we've seen that theme around camp before.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
No. I think that report and what we saw yesterday
is a win for the Bengals in a hole that
they need a disruptive defensive line and there are going
to be days, especially early in camp and Tony and Austin,
I think if you went back and played the taste
last year, and I know a different situation because of
what Joe Burrow has been coming back from with seemingly
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every training camp in him now, having this fully healthy
training camp should be a difference maker. But if you
go back and listen to the taste. It's not just
five to seven days of all the offense looks sluggish.
It always gets to the point where, like, wait a minute,
what's going on with the offense? Two weeks into training camp,
ten days into training camp, and then you know they're
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ready to play. And we could argue that they're not
ready to play at the start of the year, and
that's what's been the bugaboo for the Bengals. But when
it comes to the defensive line being disruptive, that they
need that that's a must, that's an underling stars circled
must for this team to be better in twenty twenty five.
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It can't be just one guy rushing the passer for
this team. And we don't even know what that guy's
going when he's gonna be here, and what he's going
to look like when he gets here as far as
being ready to be a difference maker on the football field.
But there are questions about the offensive line that there's
no doubt about it. I still like the two tackles.
I like center. You know it's going to be a
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competition for right guard. It feels like Dylan Fairchild is
going to lock down left guard. Who's going to play
right guard. We're going to find out as training camp continues,
as preseason games happen, but certainly on a day when
the defensive line was disruptive, I think you have to
take that as a win for the Bengals as a whole,
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even though that comes with, Yeah, certainly the question marks
about the Bengals offensive line, which you look at whatever
rate ratings and rankings are out there from PSF, I
still believe that those are criminally underrated for the Bengals
offensive life. By no means are that a top five,
top eight offensive line in the NFL, But I don't
think they're one of the two or three worst of
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the way they got raided by some of the PFF
grade last year.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Joe on the other side of the ball, I think
one of the better talking, bigger talking points so far
has been the play of Jermaine Burton. And it's one
thing to do it with the twos, but in eleven
on eleven's we've already seen multiple times that Joe Burrow
has found Jermaine Burton on plays and I know it's
a long way back, and I know you've got to
rebuild the trust. And it's a short sample size. But
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what have you seen from Jermaine Burton at the start
of this camp that maybe would lead you to believe
that he is a significant player for this offense.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
That he's been a non story And I think that's
the win for the Bengals. And if he keeps stacking
boring days of just doing his work and not being
a story, that's a win for Jermaine Burton and this offense. Now,
what's his role going to be on an offense that
has Jamar Chase and t Higgins solidified as Joe Burrow's
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number one and number two targets. There's no reason to
believe that Mike Kasicki wouldn't build on what he did
last year when he had more than sixty catches and
was Joe Burrow's third favorite target. There's no reason to
believe that andre Yoshibots can't continue to be one of
those creative playmakers that Joe goes to and plays breakdown
or goes to in the red zone as well. So
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now you're talking about four levels of guys that need
the football. And certainly Chase Brown has talked openly throughout
training camp that he wants to be show off his
improved ability in the passing game. So the old idea
of mouths to feed and having a lot of options
is great. Jermaine Burton has to keep stacking days and
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be ready as a depth player in case one of
these guys has the missing game or two throughout the season,
or is there a role for him when they if
they put four wide receivers out there and they tell
him go make a play now. When they drafted Jermaine Burton,
I had some conversations with Charlie Goldsmith about his role,
and Charlie said that his role, from what he was told,
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was to be the kind of guy who made the
play that he made against Kansas City last season. To
be that guy that you can line up and get
a good matchup with with one of the team's third
or fourth defensive backs and he could win a matchup
down the field and make a play down the field.
That's the one thing we heard about Jermaine Burton coming
out of college was that he can really track the
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ball down the field, and we saw that during the preseason.
We saw that against Kansas City, and then the Bengals
lost that option as the year went on because they
lost Jermaine Burton in his reliability within that room. So
to me, the story with Jermaine is he's been a
non story and I think that's great for the Bengals,
and I think that's great for him to keep stacking
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boring days of doing his work and then still trying
to find a role, whatever that role is on this team.
Understanding that it's the seventeen game season, then he'll likely
have a chance to make plays if he continues on
the road that he's been on so far. At training camp.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
It looks like over the past couple of days the
offense has stalled a little bit in the red zone.
What have you seen from that? Is that just a
case of maybe the defense is ahead of the offense
or how do you explain the Bengals kind of struggles
in practice in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, it's hard to explain it. Certainly yesterday it felt
more disruptive from the defense and especially upfront that blew
some plays up, and that's why the Bengals weren't successful
in the red zone. There have been moments of brilliance
from Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow that have made the
rounds over social media, But why the Bengals aren't cooking
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right now in the red zone is a hat tip
to the defense, and Zach Tayl has said as much
a couple of days ago when they had a long
period to end the day and it was the final
period of the day, and he said, the defense won
the lower red zone. And again it goes back to
a defense that you know, if we go back and
play this tape and in October and November and December,
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and the defense has been a lot better, we said, oh,
we could have seemed designed as early as the first
week of training camp. Now, I think we're all skeptical
enough to know that we're not going to go out
here and call the Bengals the two thousand Ravens of
the eighty five Bears because they won a couple of
periods in training camp. But certainly to your point, they've
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been good in the red zone. I give it more
of the hat tip to the defense right now. And
aggressive allowed an energetic defense right now that has a
lot of guys, especially the cornerback battle has been really
fun to watch and it's going to be even more
fun when they really start cutting Dax Hill loose some
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more because there are three guys that right now, I'm
sure all feel like they're starting level players, and CTV
Dax Hill and also Dj Turner, and DJ's been picked
on a little bit it so far this training camp.
And then Josh Newton, who is a guy that's gotten
a lot of play so far in the media because
of the way he handles himself and the way he's played.
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And then Jordan Battle. Jordan Battle was loud and aggressive
on a pass break up he had with Mike and
SICKI the other day right in front of me. And
it's been fun to watch a defense that has the
confidence in itself to talk a little bit, to be
allowed to be abrasive and to be aggressive. So to
answer your question, the idea of why the offense hasn't
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been going to the red zone, I think as the
hat tip to the defense, at least so far a
training camp.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Cody Ford has gotten the first crack at the right
guard spot. It doesn't feel like, even though there's only
been one padded practice that he's really separated himself and
you know, kind of giving Lucas Patrick an uphill battle
and now Patrick's hurt. What do you make of right
guard and how that could play out now that the
pads are on, I.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Certainly feel like it's coming down to Patrick and Ford.
And even though Vulson is in that mix and has
been a star or here, I don't think he's going
to be really a factor when it comes down to
Lucas Patrick and Cody Ford. If both Patrick and Ford
are healthy, what it comes down to, you know, I
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think we're gonna have to see what these guys can
do in actual preseason games. And I think that's the
real benefit of what we're going to see in the preseason,
because they can be debated. You know, how much this
helps to Joe Burrow, how much it helps Jamar Chase
and c Higgins to be more sharp week one or
week two, and Joe's talked about that. Joe Joe said,
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the biggest difference is, you know, when you go into
training camp practices and you have a free runner coming
at you, it's that final five yards where you know
a guy's going to pull up and he's not going
to hit you, that you can feel comfortable back there
and it kind of slows down your decision making process.
But he said, when you're in the preseason and that happens,
you know, it's speed you back up, and it gets
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you ready to play Week one, So that's important for him.
But I think that could be the se paraider for
the guard position is what happens in these preseason games,
and I think that's good for this coaching staff to
have real live game action reps at right guard to
see who's going to separate himself from the other. I
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still handicap it as they brought Lucas Patrick here for
a reason and I think they would probably want him
to be the starter. But if he can't separate himself
from Cody four, that's I wouldn't say alarming, but it's
concerning because I know a lot of people listening to
this probably don't want that to be the option. But
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it feels like it's going to be Patrick or Ford,
and I think that's going to be separated during preseason games.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Evan McPherson has yet to miss a kick in training camp.
How significant is that for him? And how significant is
the confidence for Evan McPherson, who obviously struggled multiple times
last year for the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know what's interesting, I don't know if confidence is
the issue or was the issue with Evan McPherson, and
this can just be posturing from him. And in our
conversations we've had about this, and and understand, I've never
seen Evan look rattled, feel rattled. His confidence shot. It
just doesn't seem to fit his personality. He says this
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is this was all physical for him, that that the
groin was such an issue that it was forcing him
to attack his craft differently, and and he's tried to
be different about being ready for this year. And if
he's telling the truth that it was it was never
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a mental thing, it was all physical. And if it
was all physical, and he's back to himself, Look, the
Bengals need that. He's a difference maker. He's a weapon.
And with me, you look at the years that he's had.
When he's right from fifty plus, you know NFL games,
a lot of these games come down to one play,
one one touchdown, one score, and when the Bengals are
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going right, he's going right. When he's going right, the
Bengals are hard to beat because of the weapon he
gives them in the final minutes of games. They need
him to be good. He knows that they know that.
And when he's right from fifty plus, that the Bengals
are a different animal and harder to beat. And he
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looks great at training camp. He feels great. And if
he's telling the truth that it was physical, it was
to groin and because that wasn't right, he wasn't right.
You have to take him at face value. And from
everything that I've seen being around him now for several years,
it's never felt like this is something that's gotten to
him mentally. So the belief is that he's good, that
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he's healthy, he's doing more to stay healthy this year.
He talked about a pre rehab and also rehab work
before and after practice that he's doing to try to
maintain that at health. And if he's right, he's a
difference maker for this team. But he's looked good so
far during training camp.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I would be remiss not to ask, because we started
training Camp Joe last week on Wednesday by thanking the
Cincinnati Reds for passing off the baton, because after the
National Series it felt like, all right, well, thanks Reds.
The Bengals are here and we move on. And then
they go and they sweep the Tampa Bay Rays, and
I know they lose last night, but you got two
more against the Dodgers, the trade deadline looming, what do
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you make of the next couple days. Do you think
that this team gets active. Do you think they make
an addition or two before the deadline comes and goes?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, I think they'll be active, and I don't think
what happens against the Dodgers should change their mind. I
think that Hay is in the bar, and I think
what the players have said openly and publicly should be
heard by the front office. And even Emilio Pegan told
us on Sunday after the game after the sweep that
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he said, you know, Nick Crawl hears us. He pumped
it out this team and excited about what we can
do the final two months. My stance on the Reds
has been I think they're going to be a player
in September. I thought that for a while now I
don't think that's going to change. Games like last night, again,
it felt like they got squeezed a little bit, had
some bad luck here and there, and certainly had a
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chance in the ninth inning. But what they do against
the Dodgers should absolutely not change the mind of the
front office about making changes that can help this team.
And it doesn't have to be just for this year.
It can be for next year as well. I like
where the Reds are positioned. They have a shot literally
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every single night to win because of their pitching staff.
They're desperate for some pop. I mean, it feels desperate
at this point. They aren't hitting home runs. I think
they've only got two home runs in what the last
nine games, and they both came against the major league
leader and home runs allowed on Friday nights for the
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Tampa Bay Rays. Lance put out of stat that I
think they only have one extra base hit in the
last five games. I mean, this team is desperate for
either someone on the roster to step up and go
with Ellie and be a difference maker, or they're desperate
for someone to be added to this team that can
give them some pop the final two months. The fan
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base remembers what happened a couple of years ago. This
team was in position could be competitive in August and September,
and they did not equip them with anything but Sam
Mall and that was disappointing. And it feels like the
optics of what happened then, in the backlash of what
happened then, should drive this fun office to do something
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different this year. There are players out there that can
help this team, and I don't think it would cost
them their top draft picks, or their top prospects or
their major league talent already in Cincinnati. They can get
someone that can help this team. And there are positions
that need help. Our spots in the lineup that need help.
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The team is there. They're very much going to be
a factor. It feels like the wild Card is separating
by four teams going for three spots. With the way
the Giants and the Cardinals are playing right now, it's
imperative for the front office to understand the moment, to
feel the moment and help this team and give them
something this week that can help them the final too much.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Are you heading to Bristol this weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I am yeah to leave Thursday. What what a week
for Fox nineteen.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I was going to say, what do you got coming up?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We have a one hour Bengals training camp special two
to three o'clock on Thursday. The second that show ends,
we pile in the car and we head to Bristol
Motor Speedway. Live all there all Friday. Then Saturday we
have a live special inside Bristol Motor Speedway on the
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field two to three o'clock to get your set for
the biggest crowd ever to watch a baseball game in
Major League history.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Unbelievable. Without further ado, I do need to get your
your take on Happy Gilmore. Joe you ready, I need this.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I need this.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
My official review of Happy Gilmore goes as such. What
I just watched was one of the most insanely idiotic
movies I've ever watched. At no point in that rambling,
incoherent mess was there even close to anything that can
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is
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now dumber for having watched it. I award you no points,
and may God have mercy on your soul. You know, guys,
everybody told me you.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Did you write that? Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Joe Austin has no idea what movie you're talking about there.
That's that's the issue. Unbelievable. I guarantee, I guarantee he's
never seen that either.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No, I haven't wait. Was that a bit? Did you
just do a bit from another movie?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That is a bit from another Tony?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I could tell God, I thought you wrote that. I
thought you were being serious.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Awards you no point, Austin, and may God have mercy
on your soul.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Sucks. I just were you expecting from it? What were
you expecting?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Dan? Well, well, everybody said just relax and have a
few laughs. I couldn't relax. I wasn't laughing. Here's my
here's my issue. And no spoilers, Okay, no spoilers, I
know it just came out. Cameos are are great. Cameos
are fine when the person plays him or herself. When
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they ask athletes and celebrities from other walks of life
to play roles and act, it can be brutal. And
it was brutal. And the hardest part for me was
a lot of the cameos. I'm so old I didn't
even know who these people were, and so therefore I'm
trying to keep up with who these people are, why
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they're in this movie. Why is there an LPGA Golfer
playing someone on a board of an insane asylbum. I mean,
this is nuts. It was absolutely crazy, dude. I'm getting
text as I'm on here, people saying are you serious?
I thought Happy Gilmour was great. I mean this is wild.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'm telling you. You can talk all you want about
Shamar Stewart or the Bengals or Reds in a playoff punch,
but talk about Happy Gilmore and people lose their mind.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yep, it's either way. There's no middle ground. You either
hate it or you loved it, and the people that
liked it or the problem is the people that didn't
like it are getting bullied. Were not allowed to like Okay,
it just wasn't good. Nineteen ninety six was a great
year in my life. I saw that movie seven times
in the theaters. Is obsessed with Happy Gilmore. Tony. They
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had thirty years to come up with something fun, thirty
years and that's what we got.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, wah wah, it's tough. He calls it. Oh my,
it was. Uh, it was. It was brutal. It was brutal.
That that's how Joe. That's how.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Joe's kicking off a very big week for Fox nineteen,
which makes it even more appreciative that you gave us
some time today.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We'll talk again next week. Joe. I hope you cross
in Bristol. Brother.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I'll see you with the Speedway audience.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
That is Joe Daneman from Fox nineteen. See you at
the Speedway. Sounds like John Sadak with the alliteration right there.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Here we go our number two thanks to Cinci Shirts
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It's our number two. It's a Tuesday afternoon. The Bengals
do not have practice today, but that doesn't mean we
stop covering and talking about the Cincinnati Bengals. And who
better to do it with than our guy from Fox
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nineteen himself, the one that doesn't the one that doesn't
wear hey dudes with socks. We're talking about at least
of joining us right now, Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Joe, I don't even know what hay dudes are, but
now I do because of what happened to Trading Can.
By the way, has Mo come through with his Happy
Gilmore reviews?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Nothing yet?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He said he didn't get to watch it last night.
He's looking forward to watching it this evening.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Is he looking forward to it?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
He says he is.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He be looking forward to it now.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I don't know if he should based on our knowledge
of what Moe was looking forward to watching and what
we know about the movie ourselves, if you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Can save thirty to sixty seconds at the end of
his segment for my official review of Hattie Gilmour too,
I would appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Take as much time as you need, Joe.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Okay, just just save one minute at the end.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I got that our guy Maso from the Villa called
in and asked he's been asking questions. He's going through
the alphabet and he's he's asking questions based on players
with the same name. His question Lydia to finish hour one,
whose career would you rather have? Chris Collinsworth or Chris
Carter now Chris Carter born and bred, Hall of Fame
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or even after he's dead.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Buck Guy, born and bred Middletown. Who would you go with?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, it's kind of fun that both are. Chris is
with no age. Yes, So that's that's pretty unique right
there in itself. Chris Chris Carter jumps in mind because
he's got the Hall of Fame bus for eternity. Chris
collins Worth because he's got the greatest gig known demand
for you know, Obviously he doesn't work one day a week, but.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
He can't even get into the Bengals Ring of Honor, though.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
He pops on Sunday Night football, calls the biggest game
of the week, catches a huge check, and lives in
a great city. So I'm gonna go with Chris collins Worth.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Okay, fair enough, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let's talk about the team that Chris collins Worth played for,
the Cincinnati Bengals. Obviously it's an off day today, Joe,
but you've been able to take in a lot of
training camp. What has been some of the things you
followed that have stood out to you the most through
the first couple of days of camp.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know, it's interesting with the defense, and we're gonna
do this right, We're going to be skeptical of the
Bengals defense that, yes, coaching changes matter, and the Bengals
made one. That yes, adding free agents and TJ. Slayton
is an underrated free agent, and adding draft takes and
the Bengals added five on defense, those all help. But
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I think we're going to be skeptical, if you're a
smart fan of this defense, until we see what it
looks like when they start playing games and maybe not
even really have a really good judge at a handle
on what this defense is when they face whatever quarterback
slop that Cleveland throws out in Week one to start
the season. But I think it would be ignorant to
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ignore that it feels different that the younger voices that
have now kind of taken command of this defense, that
the empowerment they've gotten from Al Golden, that there's a
different energy and a different confidence to this group. Will
it result in different results this year? Certainly they're more
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talented this year, just by adding what they added in
free agency into the draft, and even though they didn't
make the big splash I'm sure a lot of fans
wanted them to make, they are more talented this year.
They do have a deeper defense. Is it going to
be enough for them to rise to the level that
they need to go to for this team not only
to get back to the playoffs, but the back in
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the position where they can beat playoff teams. I don't
think we're going to know that until the season starts,
but certainly, that's to me, has been the biggest difference
so far of training camp. And you go back to
Al Golden's original press conference when when he was asked
about a fast start in him coming in and being
part of that, he said that, you know, a fast
start doesn't start at training camp. A fast start starts
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in offseason workouts at OTAs and mandatory mini camp. And
you go back to what the Bengals defensive players are
telling us that it's not the first week of camp,
that it's not practice number one, that they've had, you know,
twenty practices already in the bank, that they feel very
confident hitting the ground running. You're at training camp, So
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I think it's unfair to ignore that there's a different
energy about the defense and that some of these young
guys are taking ownership of it. And I think that
should be exciting and paid attention to here at training camp.
But ultimately I want to see what it looks like
against Cleveland, against Jacksonville, against Minnesota, and then week five
against Detroit when when they start facing these really good offenses,
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to see where they really are. But certainly that's been
the storyline to me through one week.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
To add to that conversation, our guy, Charlie Goldsmith tweeted
yesterday that the pass rush is the winner of the
day from yesterday's padded practice the first patted practice. A
common theme that we've discussed for years of training camp
coverage has been the play of the offensive line, and
there are no shortage of questions around the offensive line
for the Bengals this year. We know Trey Hendrickson's not
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in camp, we know Shamar Stewart is just getting back
into the fold. When you see that from Charlie yesterday,
is your immediate thought, man, that's awesome to hear about
the defense. Does your thought go to the other side
of well, that means the offensive line struggled a little bit,
and we've seen that theme around camp before.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
No. I think that report and what we saw yesterday
is a win for the Bengals in a hole that
they need a disruptive defensive line and there are going
to be days, especially early in camp and Tony and Austin,
I think if you went back and played the taste
last year, and I know a different situation because of
what Joe Burrow has been coming back from with seemingly
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every training camp in him now, having this fully healthy
training camp should be a difference maker. But if you
go back and listen to the taste. It's not just
five to seven days of all the offense looks sluggish.
It always gets to the point where, like, wait a minute,
what's going on with the offense? Two weeks into training camp,
ten days into training camp, and then you know they're
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ready to play. And we could argue that they're not
ready to play at the start of the year, and
that's what's been the bugaboo for the Bengals. But when
it comes to the defensive line being disruptive, that they
need that that's a must, that's an underling stars circled
must for this team to be better in twenty twenty five.
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It can't be just one guy rushing the passer for
this team. And we don't even know what that guy's
going when he's gonna be here, and what he's going
to look like when he gets here as far as
being ready to be a difference maker on the football field.
But there are questions about the offensive line that there's
no doubt about it. I still like the two tackles.
I like center. You know it's going to be a
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competition for right guard. It feels like Dylan Fairchild is
going to lock down left guard. Who's going to play
right guard. We're going to find out as training camp continues,
as preseason games happen, but certainly on a day when
the defensive line was disruptive, I think you have to
take that as a win for the Bengals as a whole,
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even though that comes with, Yeah, certainly the question marks
about the Bengals offensive line, which you look at whatever
rate ratings and rankings are out there from PSF, I
still believe that those are criminally underrated for the Bengals
offensive life. By no means are that a top five,
top eight offensive line in the NFL, But I don't
think they're one of the two or three worst of
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the way they got raided by some of the PFF
grade last year.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Joe on the other side of the ball, I think
one of the better talking, bigger talking points so far
has been the play of Jermaine Burton. And it's one
thing to do it with the twos, but in eleven
on eleven's we've already seen multiple times that Joe Burrow
has found Jermaine Burton on plays and I know it's
a long way back, and I know you've got to
rebuild the trust. And it's a short sample size. But
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what have you seen from Jermaine Burton at the start
of this camp that maybe would lead you to believe
that he is a significant player for this offense.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
That he's been a non story And I think that's
the win for the Bengals. And if he keeps stacking
boring days of just doing his work and not being
a story, that's a win for Jermaine Burton and this offense. Now,
what's his role going to be on an offense that
has Jamar Chase and t Higgins solidified as Joe Burrow's
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number one and number two targets. There's no reason to
believe that Mike Kasicki wouldn't build on what he did
last year when he had more than sixty catches and
was Joe Burrow's third favorite target. There's no reason to
believe that andre Yoshibots can't continue to be one of
those creative playmakers that Joe goes to and plays breakdown
or goes to in the red zone as well. So
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now you're talking about four levels of guys that need
the football. And certainly Chase Brown has talked openly throughout
training camp that he wants to be show off his
improved ability in the passing game. So the old idea
of mouths to feed and having a lot of options
is great. Jermaine Burton has to keep stacking days and
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be ready as a depth player in case one of
these guys has the missing game or two throughout the season,
or is there a role for him when they if
they put four wide receivers out there and they tell
him go make a play now. When they drafted Jermaine Burton,
I had some conversations with Charlie Goldsmith about his role,
and Charlie said that his role, from what he was told,
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was to be the kind of guy who made the
play that he made against Kansas City last season. To
be that guy that you can line up and get
a good matchup with with one of the team's third
or fourth defensive backs and he could win a matchup
down the field and make a play down the field.
That's the one thing we heard about Jermaine Burton coming
out of college was that he can really track the
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ball down the field, and we saw that during the preseason.
We saw that against Kansas City, and then the Bengals
lost that option as the year went on because they
lost Jermaine Burton in his reliability within that room. So
to me, the story with Jermaine is he's been a
non story and I think that's great for the Bengals,
and I think that's great for him to keep stacking
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boring days of doing his work and then still trying
to find a role, whatever that role is on this team.
Understanding that it's the seventeen game season, then he'll likely
have a chance to make plays if he continues on
the road that he's been on so far. At training camp.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
It looks like over the past couple of days the
offense has stalled a little bit in the red zone.
What have you seen from that? Is that just a
case of maybe the defense is ahead of the offense
or how do you explain the Bengals kind of struggles
in practice in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, it's hard to explain it. Certainly yesterday it felt
more disruptive from the defense and especially upfront that blew
some plays up, and that's why the Bengals weren't successful
in the red zone. There have been moments of brilliance
from Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow that have made the
rounds over social media, But why the Bengals aren't cooking
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right now in the red zone is a hat tip
to the defense, and Zach Tayl has said as much
a couple of days ago when they had a long
period to end the day and it was the final
period of the day, and he said, the defense won
the lower red zone. And again it goes back to
a defense that you know, if we go back and
play this tape and in October and November and December,
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and the defense has been a lot better, we said, oh,
we could have seemed designed as early as the first
week of training camp. Now, I think we're all skeptical
enough to know that we're not going to go out
here and call the Bengals the two thousand Ravens of
the eighty five Bears because they won a couple of
periods in training camp. But certainly to your point, they've
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been good in the red zone. I give it more
of the hat tip to the defense right now. And
aggressive allowed an energetic defense right now that has a
lot of guys, especially the cornerback battle has been really
fun to watch and it's going to be even more
fun when they really start cutting Dax Hill loose some
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more because there are three guys that right now, I'm
sure all feel like they're starting level players, and CTV
Dax Hill and also Dj Turner, and DJ's been picked
on a little bit it so far this training camp.
And then Josh Newton, who is a guy that's gotten
a lot of play so far in the media because
of the way he handles himself and the way he's played.
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And then Jordan Battle. Jordan Battle was loud and aggressive
on a pass break up he had with Mike and
SICKI the other day right in front of me. And
it's been fun to watch a defense that has the
confidence in itself to talk a little bit, to be
allowed to be abrasive and to be aggressive. So to
answer your question, the idea of why the offense hasn't
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been going to the red zone, I think as the
hat tip to the defense, at least so far a
training camp.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Cody Ford has gotten the first crack at the right
guard spot. It doesn't feel like, even though there's only
been one padded practice that he's really separated himself and
you know, kind of giving Lucas Patrick an uphill battle
and now Patrick's hurt. What do you make of right
guard and how that could play out now that the
pads are on, I.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Certainly feel like it's coming down to Patrick and Ford.
And even though Vulson is in that mix and has
been a star or here, I don't think he's going
to be really a factor when it comes down to
Lucas Patrick and Cody Ford. If both Patrick and Ford
are healthy, what it comes down to, you know, I
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think we're gonna have to see what these guys can
do in actual preseason games. And I think that's the
real benefit of what we're going to see in the preseason,
because they can be debated. You know, how much this
helps to Joe Burrow, how much it helps Jamar Chase
and c Higgins to be more sharp week one or
week two, and Joe's talked about that. Joe Joe said,
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the biggest difference is, you know, when you go into
training camp practices and you have a free runner coming
at you, it's that final five yards where you know
a guy's going to pull up and he's not going
to hit you, that you can feel comfortable back there
and it kind of slows down your decision making process.
But he said, when you're in the preseason and that happens,
you know, it's speed you back up, and it gets
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you ready to play Week one, So that's important for him.
But I think that could be the se paraider for
the guard position is what happens in these preseason games,
and I think that's good for this coaching staff to
have real live game action reps at right guard to
see who's going to separate himself from the other. I
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still handicap it as they brought Lucas Patrick here for
a reason and I think they would probably want him
to be the starter. But if he can't separate himself
from Cody four, that's I wouldn't say alarming, but it's
concerning because I know a lot of people listening to
this probably don't want that to be the option. But
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it feels like it's going to be Patrick or Ford,
and I think that's going to be separated during preseason games.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Evan McPherson has yet to miss a kick in training camp.
How significant is that for him? And how significant is
the confidence for Evan McPherson, who obviously struggled multiple times
last year for the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know what's interesting, I don't know if confidence is
the issue or was the issue with Evan McPherson, and
this can just be posturing from him. And in our
conversations we've had about this, and and understand, I've never
seen Evan look rattled, feel rattled. His confidence shot. It
just doesn't seem to fit his personality. He says this
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is this was all physical for him, that that the
groin was such an issue that it was forcing him
to attack his craft differently, and and he's tried to
be different about being ready for this year. And if
he's telling the truth that it was it was never
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a mental thing, it was all physical. And if it
was all physical, and he's back to himself, Look, the
Bengals need that. He's a difference maker. He's a weapon.
And with me, you look at the years that he's had.
When he's right from fifty plus, you know NFL games,
a lot of these games come down to one play,
one one touchdown, one score, and when the Bengals are
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going right, he's going right. When he's going right, the
Bengals are hard to beat because of the weapon he
gives them in the final minutes of games. They need
him to be good. He knows that they know that.
And when he's right from fifty plus, that the Bengals
are a different animal and harder to beat. And he
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looks great at training camp. He feels great. And if
he's telling the truth that it was physical, it was
to groin and because that wasn't right, he wasn't right.
You have to take him at face value. And from
everything that I've seen being around him now for several years,
it's never felt like this is something that's gotten to
him mentally. So the belief is that he's good, that
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he's healthy, he's doing more to stay healthy this year.
He talked about a pre rehab and also rehab work
before and after practice that he's doing to try to
maintain that at health. And if he's right, he's a
difference maker for this team. But he's looked good so
far during training camp.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I would be remiss not to ask, because we started
training Camp Joe last week on Wednesday by thanking the
Cincinnati Reds for passing off the baton, because after the
National Series it felt like, all right, well, thanks Reds.
The Bengals are here and we move on. And then
they go and they sweep the Tampa Bay Rays, and
I know they lose last night, but you got two
more against the Dodgers, the trade deadline looming, what do
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you make of the next couple days. Do you think
that this team gets active. Do you think they make
an addition or two before the deadline comes and goes?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, I think they'll be active, and I don't think
what happens against the Dodgers should change their mind. I
think that Hay is in the bar, and I think
what the players have said openly and publicly should be
heard by the front office. And even Emilio Pegan told
us on Sunday after the game after the sweep that
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he said, you know, Nick Crawl hears us. He pumped
it out this team and excited about what we can
do the final two months. My stance on the Reds
has been I think they're going to be a player
in September. I thought that for a while now I
don't think that's going to change. Games like last night, again,
it felt like they got squeezed a little bit, had
some bad luck here and there, and certainly had a
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chance in the ninth inning. But what they do against
the Dodgers should absolutely not change the mind of the
front office about making changes that can help this team.
And it doesn't have to be just for this year.
It can be for next year as well. I like
where the Reds are positioned. They have a shot literally
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every single night to win because of their pitching staff.
They're desperate for some pop. I mean, it feels desperate
at this point. They aren't hitting home runs. I think
they've only got two home runs in what the last
nine games, and they both came against the major league
leader and home runs allowed on Friday nights for the
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Tampa Bay Rays. Lance put out of stat that I
think they only have one extra base hit in the
last five games. I mean, this team is desperate for
either someone on the roster to step up and go
with Ellie and be a difference maker, or they're desperate
for someone to be added to this team that can
give them some pop the final two months. The fan
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base remembers what happened a couple of years ago. This
team was in position could be competitive in August and September,
and they did not equip them with anything but Sam
Mall and that was disappointing. And it feels like the
optics of what happened then, in the backlash of what
happened then, should drive this fun office to do something
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different this year. There are players out there that can
help this team, and I don't think it would cost
them their top draft picks, or their top prospects or
their major league talent already in Cincinnati. They can get
someone that can help this team. And there are positions
that need help. Our spots in the lineup that need help.
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The team is there. They're very much going to be
a factor. It feels like the wild Card is separating
by four teams going for three spots. With the way
the Giants and the Cardinals are playing right now, it's
imperative for the front office to understand the moment, to
feel the moment and help this team and give them
something this week that can help them the final too much.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Are you heading to Bristol this weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I am yeah to leave Thursday. What what a week
for Fox nineteen.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I was going to say, what do you got coming up?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We have a one hour Bengals training camp special two
to three o'clock on Thursday. The second that show ends,
we pile in the car and we head to Bristol
Motor Speedway. Live all there all Friday. Then Saturday we
have a live special inside Bristol Motor Speedway on the
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field two to three o'clock to get your set for
the biggest crowd ever to watch a baseball game in
Major League history.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Unbelievable. Without further ado, I do need to get your
your take on Happy Gilmore. Joe you ready, I need this.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I need this.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
My official review of Happy Gilmore goes as such. What
I just watched was one of the most insanely idiotic
movies I've ever watched. At no point in that rambling,
incoherent mess was there even close to anything that can
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is
(22:38):
now dumber for having watched it. I award you no points,
and may God have mercy on your soul. You know, guys,
everybody told me you.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Did you write that? Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Joe Austin has no idea what movie you're talking about there.
That's that's the issue. Unbelievable. I guarantee, I guarantee he's
never seen that either.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No, I haven't wait. Was that a bit? Did you
just do a bit from another movie?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That is a bit from another Tony?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I could tell God, I thought you wrote that. I
thought you were being serious.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Awards you no point, Austin, and may God have mercy
on your soul.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Sucks. I just were you expecting from it? What were
you expecting?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Dan? Well, well, everybody said just relax and have a
few laughs. I couldn't relax. I wasn't laughing. Here's my
here's my issue. And no spoilers, Okay, no spoilers, I
know it just came out. Cameos are are great. Cameos
are fine when the person plays him or herself. When
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they ask athletes and celebrities from other walks of life
to play roles and act, it can be brutal. And
it was brutal. And the hardest part for me was
a lot of the cameos. I'm so old I didn't
even know who these people were, and so therefore I'm
trying to keep up with who these people are, why
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they're in this movie. Why is there an LPGA Golfer
playing someone on a board of an insane asylbum. I mean,
this is nuts. It was absolutely crazy, dude. I'm getting
text as I'm on here, people saying are you serious?
I thought Happy Gilmour was great. I mean this is wild.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'm telling you. You can talk all you want about
Shamar Stewart or the Bengals or Reds in a playoff punch,
but talk about Happy Gilmore and people lose their mind.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yep, it's either way. There's no middle ground. You either
hate it or you loved it, and the people that
liked it or the problem is the people that didn't
like it are getting bullied. Were not allowed to like Okay,
it just wasn't good. Nineteen ninety six was a great
year in my life. I saw that movie seven times
in the theaters. Is obsessed with Happy Gilmore. Tony. They
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had thirty years to come up with something fun, thirty
years and that's what we got.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, wah wah, it's tough. He calls it. Oh my,
it was. Uh, it was. It was brutal. It was brutal.
That that's how Joe. That's how.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Joe's kicking off a very big week for Fox nineteen,
which makes it even more appreciative that you gave us
some time today.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We'll talk again next week. Joe. I hope you cross
in Bristol. Brother.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I'll see you with the Speedway audience.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
That is Joe Daneman from Fox nineteen. See you at
the Speedway. Sounds like John Sadak with the alliteration right there.
This is sincey three sixty thanks to Cincy shirts. We'll
be back with your talkbacks next on ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.