August 15, 2025 • 18 mins
Tony and Austin talk Reds and Bengals with Charlie Goldsmith from Charlie's Chalkboard and FOX19 on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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a Friday afternoon, down here live at Bengals training camp.
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the Bengals for all these years. As we get into
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talkback gift card giveaway. But you know it's Friday. You
know it's one o'clock and if you follow this show
at all, you know it's time to talk to our
good friend Charlie Goldsmith to talk Reds to and talk Bengals.
He joins us. Right now, what's up, Charlie, Tony, how
you doing, Charlie? We have just been handed some significant
(01:00):
Red's news. The Reds today announced the following transaction They
have put on the fifteen day Injured List retroactive to
August twelfth, Chase Burns with a Grade one right flexer strain.
Do we know anything else about Chase Burns at this
point as we learn that he has gone to the
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injured list?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I can tell you more about flexer strains and you
know what his Chase Burns will get more information just
about how that I would assume MRI and how that
can goes flexer strains, just checking it up real quick.
Like the Brewers had a guy, Logan Henderson I believe
had a flexer strain. He was down for about a
week or two and then he started throwing. Aaron Judge
had a flexer strain. That's the injury that has kept
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him DH. But he has handled that as a minor
issue more than a major one. But the flip side
of this is a flexer strain is what way Miley
had back in June when he landed back on the IL.
Also flexer strain. The flexer connects to the UCL. So
I'm not I don't know anything about Chase Burns and
with that situation is but these are very important and
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there's a very wide range of how these things go.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It also drives in the importance of getting Hunter Green
back because you still have Martinez, Lttel, Abbott Singer and
Hunter Green, even with Lodolo now on the injured list
as well. How impressed were you, Charlie. You could say
any of the pitching performances against the Philadelphia Affilies, but
in particular what you were able to see from Hunter Green.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know, what the series was all about for me
was upside If the Red you're ever gonna get there?
And I think the line I wrote was like, close
your eyes and imagine the Red during the NLCS, and yeah,
that's a that's out there. We can get to that
at another point. But if they're if they're ever actually there,
someone like Kyle Shwarver's gonna be on third, You'll be
deep into your start. Bryce Harper is gonna be up
with the player. If it's not Bryce, it'll be Shoho
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Tom and Youre'll be one Soto it it'll be Fernando Tacis.
And there are only so many pitchers out there who
can realistically believe that they're gonna go and win that matchup,
and Hunter Green is one of them. Now, Hunter's got
a lot to prove. It's the most important seven weeks
of his career so far, he should have a chip
on his shoulders where he's at right now. But Green
adds to the red long term up side, and then
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he adds to their floor two. Certainly right now because
now they're starting. The rotation depth is gone until Lodola returns,
so obviously you need all five guys right now, and
Hunters one of them.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Let's talk about the lineup right now, real quick, Charlie.
They lose Game one after a great start from Andrey
have at the offense pretty much non existent, but they
come back on back to back starts against uh Suarez
and Sanchez, who have not only been dominant for Philly,
but they both are left handed starting pitching. We know
what this team had struggled with for much of the year.
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How big of a boost was it for the offense
to put up fourteen runs over two games and do
so against two very good left handed starters.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think they're now past the point where like if
there was any block or uncertainty or they showed up
to the yard and they're like, oh man, we're facing
the left handed pitcher today. Not that that was the case,
but you need to do it. You need to see it.
I think the Rights have seene it now. They won't
go out and be the best or a top five
offense in the league against left handed pitching when you
look at the fact that I think Marte and what
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he's doing is real, and Harr against left handed pitching
at a bare minimum is going to be real, the
depths of options that they have, the ears seeing them
swinging the bat better a few other guys as well,
Like I think they can now realistically walk into these
batchups against left handers hanging their heads pretty high. And
the Phillies series was an ultimate description of that.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Do you feel better about where they are from a
lineup construction standpoint and the ability that they have it
seemingly now to maybe protect li day La Cruz a
little bit more in the order.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
It's been all season they've been alright, who's hot and
how can we get him behind Ellie because they've kind of,
you know, everyone's kind of tired of it. Red fans
are tired of teams pitching around Delie the way that
they have and Andrew Harror and Marte and I think
Lux has been swinging batwell recently as well. It gives
them that real option I will have this though, this
is going to be very, very fluid. I can guarantee
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you that Miguel Andha is not going to hit fourth
every day for the rest of the season. But it's
going like the way I see it is four through
eleven in this Red lineup, Like at this point last week,
Andrew Hall was basically eleven on the depth chart and
now he's four. And you can also add in South
Stewart and Hester Rodriguez is like twelve and thirteen. You
can make a case for like any one of those
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guys being the Red maybe fourth, but definitely fifth, sixth,
or seventh best hitters, anyone basically in that range. So
this will change this. Guys get hot, as guys get hurt.
I do expect them to play more matchups and keep
this very very fluid.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
As far as the Brewers are concerned, Charlie obviously coming
in here red hot, how do you explain what they
have been over the last month.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There are a lot of people in the Brewers organization
who are unbelievable their jobs like hitting development coordinators that
the red tap and pitching development coordinators and all these
guys at different levels that just churn out players who
know exactly how to play a certain brand of baseball
through player development and how they're developed. One more thing
that someone stressed me as well, because they have that
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depth that rises and shines. They also, by the way,
just have elite pitches and that's a factor this as well.
Like their pitching is just incredible and that's a huge
part of the puzzle. Someone told me about Christian Yelich's role,
and I'm not comparing him to Joe Burrow, but like
he's kind of their Burrow as the guy who oversees
and acts on kind of everything and then is a
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part of every decision, and as the most established player
on that team, has the ability to lead in that way.
And they're at have great leadership as well. You know Martinez, hey,
gone watch Trevino, et cetera. But obviously that's not your
best player, and there is some power in Yellwich's role
being able to do that and be that guy. I
think in Milwaukee, I.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Think there's like a pride thing or a mentality that
the Reds clubhouse can kind of take with them. I
know Terry Francona always shoots it down of like looking ahead,
but The Reds have kind of been embarrassed by the
Brewers the last few years. Do you think that that's
something they kind of take personally and will that affect
them at all you think going into this series.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I think it's something they take personally, and I think
at different points of the season that would have been
the conversation and the focus and the mentality looking at
the Brewers. I think it's different now. The Red's kind
of mentality entering this series is We've just beat I'm
going while.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
We're losing Charlie at the moment, Charlie. I know Charlie
is traveling at the moment, so we yeah, we'll see
if we can get him back. Charlie I think is
back now. We lost him for just a second.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But the upside of what this series is.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Oh, oh yeah, he might be going through what's known
as a rough patch.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, I think he is. He probably can't hear us either. Yeah,
I can hear you. Oh you can hear us now,
now we can hear We lost you for a few
seconds there.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Sorry, some real quick. I apologize what I was saying
there was I'm gonna drive right now. I apologize. I
think how they view this series is it's a chance
to kind of announce themselves and make it as real
contenders who could truly end up in the playoff picture
by the end of the weekend. While the Brewers stuff
is real, I think they viewed this upsot of this
series in this weekend what it could be.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
How do you view Charlie, you know, and before we
switch to the Bengals, the Terry Francona effect. When you
have a younger team that is putting together some good baseball,
but you also have the feeling that you have a
manager that the moment's never going to be too big
for when you get into these tight games. How much
can you can you lean on now Terry Francona and
really see him excel and the reason why the Reds
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went out and got him as their manager.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I mean, you look at these upside this upside conversations.
I mean Francona is a part of that as well.
He's a he's a manager with upside in these series.
So I add him into that, mixed with Hunter with Elly,
with you know, Abbott with I guess Burns is now hurt,
but you get the guys I'm talking about here, Francona
is the guy who meets that upside as well.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Let's switch gears to the Bengals, and it's no surprise
a lot of the conversation has circled around the offensive line,
but Lucas Patrick as well, You've been at a majority
of these practices, Charlie, from what you've seen, can you
be confident to start this season at this point with
what you've seen on the offensive line?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I mean, what I keep going back to is it's
the exact same investment level that at guard that they
entered twenty twenty one with. And they didn't go into
twenty twenty one thinking that they were going to have
an offensive line that would be remembered for the rest
of time for how bad it was. They felt like
they had a rookie, second round pick, a veteran who
had played ball and had some team crossover, and they
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felt like they had better depths, and then it all snowballs.
So because the majority of those decision makers are the same,
you can't be certain. There is no certainty. As optimistic
as I feel about Dolan, Fairchild the rest of the room,
there's no way that you can feel confident about these
guys being good and then everything you've seen, especially Ifen
Luke and Patrick is negative, I'd have Cody Ford in there.
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I think they just want to get him more represent
backle especially because both men and Brown have been banged up.
But it's a big concern that hasn't helped itself at
all in camp.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Is there, in your opinion, a backup plan or what
do you think other than you know, looking at the
waiver wire when cutdowns happen, is that the only thing
they could possibly do when looking for outside help now, I.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Mean, Dalton Riisner's out there, Like, who are the Bengals
backup guard right now? It's one of my Bengals takes
is that Jack think Kirkland should be getting more reps
and more opportunity and no offense to him, and he
made the team, but like what are we doing? Yeah,
it's at that point and no one has emerged from
that second tier group at all, and Jalen Rivers is
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already playing guard and that limits your swing tackle options.
Like you're already at that concerning point that you were
nervous you might get close to reaching. You're already there now.
Maybe it'll be fine if Cody Ford moves back to
right guard and everyone stays healthy. But if they're not,
there's not a single other alignment on this team who's
even had a decent camp.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I know you've talked in the past, Charlie about their
propensity to go after waiver claims. Is that something you
think they would do, both on the offensive line and
maybe at the edge rusher spot as well as we
get towards a cutdown day and edge let's.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
See where they're at from an injury perspective, like I
know Samples then banged up Cy Murphy, I have missed
a tiny bit of time themselves, said Johnson looks like
he's going to be hurt heading into the season, So maybe,
but definitely offensive line. I mean, someone could come in
and immediately be their sixth man, Like that's how desperate
they are almost for help there, and they've so not
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throw a waiver wire guy do a pretty prominent stop
pretty quickly, whether it's Matt Sharping or Jake Salay, Like,
I mean, they've got to because what they have now,
including Lucy Patrick, even good.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Enough, Charlie, when you look at the team as a whole,
and you know, going from preseason game to preseason game
number or one to two, especially on the defensive side
of the ball. What are you hoping to see from
this defense on Monday against Washington?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, I keep going back to from the Eagles games,
was it really was a lot of one on one
struggles at quarter. Can a lot of those guys and
then especially hopefully ideally Dack and camp Taylor britt play,
Can they hit the ground running kind of show? All right?
With solid, reliable quarter play, this defense can be okay.
And then the opportunity of free safety two, Well, do
you know Stones on the upswing, you know you're still
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one injury away from being right back there at that
position at the spot we've been talking about all week,
And Jason Anthony and Tyson Anderson haven't take advantage of
this opportunity that they've had this week. There's been no
separation there. So neither one of those guys pop for
potential to be a role player or at least a
roster spot guy on this defense.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Miles Murphy, to kind of piggyback, was not out at
practice again today. If he's not able to go on Monday,
how do you view again with so many guys banged
up or Trey hendrickson not practicing. How do you view
the defensive line as the season gets closer as well?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Well, this is why I'm in general now a player
starters in the preseason type of guy, because you're at
a point where you're kind of one injury away from
being an even more real concerning spot on the defensive line.
I think Shamar Stewarts had a successful camp, could have
Brown up with standing and his role continues to increase.
I think they feel very cool with what they have
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with just so said Miles Murphy's Miles Murphy, and that's
a big part of the story of the season. Henderson
will be back at some point. Chris Jenkins has had
a strong camp. McKinley Jackson I thought was going to
have a great camp and he is enough. And a
wide open position battle is defensive tackle four, as they've
given longer looks to Howard Cross and Tadan Bryan and
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McKinley's in there as well, but they're that competition for
the fifth defensive tackle spot, and then could one of
them beat out Jackson for a role on game days
on the active rosters. So that's another spot that's under
the spotlight. Fifth defensive tackles.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
This week Geno Stone with the soft tissue injury, he
did go through some of today's practice. I'll ask the
same from a confidence level point of view, Are you
confident if Genostone is healthy that the safety position is
where it needs to be or is that another position
that they might try to address when you get into cutdowns.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
See here's the problem. There are all these spots, and
we didn't like Paul Danner and on the Growler did
all these shows, and I did all these positional previews
in my need letter for free agency, Like there were
just all these things they needed to do. You know,
get that real starting offensive guard that Brandon Sheriff Tyke,
who I know retired, Get that pass rushing defensive tackle
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and round out the depth of that room. Get a
true starting free safety that you knew is a starting
free safety. And they did none of that. They got TJ. Slayton,
who is good, but didn't fill a need as much.
Then they had to fill pressing desperate needs in the draft.
Their whole draft was drafting for need, and then they
still never got around of filling half their needs that
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we've been talking about since the start of free agency.
So what is Geno son? He feels confident that this
defense is more like what the Ravens ran with him. Sure, good, interesting,
let's do what happened there. But I mean I did
a rewatch of it. I've rewatched all Genostone seasons. There
were like ten fifteen real negative negative moments plays he
should have made it many only made like two or
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three plays off seasons. So he just has to be
someone completely different. He's the guy back in their role
who I have the hardest time understanding. But that's where
they're at. That's the problem they have to fix, and
you don't see what Alcolm can do.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Charlie, Before we let you go and thank you for
making time for us as you're traveling today. You know,
as somebody who is very close to the University of
Michigan like you are, both with your family and also
with your connection at Northwestern and being a part of
the Big ten family overall. What's your reaction to what
the NCAA announced today in the Michigan ruling.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It felt like Michigan football isn't even impacted by this,
So that doesn't feel like a punishment. That's where I'm at.
It feels like the punishments themselves. I've gotten much more
lenient in general over college football over the last decade,
and I'm curious why that's been the case. Yeah, I
was surprised by you know, sorry to my brother and
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sister who both went to Michigan, but I buy my
Michigan doll a little easy.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well said Charlie, you're the best huge Cincinnati sports weekend.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Will you now refrain from wearing that Michigan polo after this?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
This is a great question.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know, it's still a part of their octation. I
do it more for my sister, who got it for me,
more than I do for me. That's the beauty of
being a Northwestern fan is that you have no rivals
still just like wear a shirt of it. Not that
I root for Michigan, because I don't, but you can
still wear a Michigan shirt. The Cat's running back room
looks deep this season. By the way, look out for
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that at Northwestern.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
By the way, if I got you in Ohio State polo,
would you wear it?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I would not wear that. That's the longer conversation that
we'd have to have another time.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Wow, if you had to decide if they were playing
in the game and you had to pick one winner
and one loser. You pull from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Though I really don't like Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I thought I liked you before. I've never liked you more.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Right now, dude, maybe the highlight of my life is
a sports fan with Stunner steel through this like seventy
yards shout to open that game at Buckeye Stadium. Yeah,
and I thought the Bearcats were about to win it.
Don't ask what happened after. For that brief moment, that
was cool.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Chris Moore had himself a day there at at Ohio Stadium.
I know that, Charlie are the best man. Thank you
so much for your time. We'll talk again next week.
Thanks Charlie. Goldsmith's dead, just ed himself into he is now.
I wonder if, like Jeremy knows that at Fox nineteen.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yeah, well, Charlie's gonna be back on the unemployment line.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So I wonder if they know that, because now I'd
like to have Charlie on again this afternoon. We get
Charlie to talk Michigan, Ohio State, and the Bearcats.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I want to know what that longer story is.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, okay, let's pencil it in for next week. Up next,
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All right, welcome back our two Cincy three sixty on
a Friday afternoon, down here live at Bengals training camp.
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Thanks to Adam Weber for putting our broadcast here a
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coming up. In just a few minutes. We'll do a
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know it's one o'clock and if you follow this show
at all, you know it's time to talk to our
good friend Charlie Goldsmith to talk Reds to and talk Bengals.
He joins us. Right now, what's up, Charlie, Tony, how
you doing, Charlie? We have just been handed some significant
(01:00):
Red's news. The Reds today announced the following transaction They
have put on the fifteen day Injured List retroactive to
August twelfth, Chase Burns with a Grade one right flexer strain.
Do we know anything else about Chase Burns at this
point as we learn that he has gone to the
(01:21):
injured list?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I can tell you more about flexer strains and you
know what his Chase Burns will get more information just
about how that I would assume MRI and how that
can goes flexer strains, just checking it up real quick.
Like the Brewers had a guy, Logan Henderson I believe
had a flexer strain. He was down for about a
week or two and then he started throwing. Aaron Judge
had a flexer strain. That's the injury that has kept
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him DH. But he has handled that as a minor
issue more than a major one. But the flip side
of this is a flexer strain is what way Miley
had back in June when he landed back on the IL.
Also flexer strain. The flexer connects to the UCL. So
I'm not I don't know anything about Chase Burns and
with that situation is but these are very important and
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there's a very wide range of how these things go.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It also drives in the importance of getting Hunter Green
back because you still have Martinez, Lttel, Abbott Singer and
Hunter Green, even with Lodolo now on the injured list
as well. How impressed were you, Charlie. You could say
any of the pitching performances against the Philadelphia Affilies, but
in particular what you were able to see from Hunter Green.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know, what the series was all about for me
was upside If the Red you're ever gonna get there?
And I think the line I wrote was like, close
your eyes and imagine the Red during the NLCS, and yeah,
that's a that's out there. We can get to that
at another point. But if they're if they're ever actually there,
someone like Kyle Shwarver's gonna be on third, You'll be
deep into your start. Bryce Harper is gonna be up
with the player. If it's not Bryce, it'll be Shoho
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Tom and Youre'll be one Soto it it'll be Fernando Tacis.
And there are only so many pitchers out there who
can realistically believe that they're gonna go and win that matchup,
and Hunter Green is one of them. Now, Hunter's got
a lot to prove. It's the most important seven weeks
of his career so far, he should have a chip
on his shoulders where he's at right now. But Green
adds to the red long term up side, and then
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he adds to their floor two. Certainly right now because
now they're starting. The rotation depth is gone until Lodola returns,
so obviously you need all five guys right now, and
Hunters one of them.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Let's talk about the lineup right now, real quick, Charlie.
They lose Game one after a great start from Andrey
have at the offense pretty much non existent, but they
come back on back to back starts against uh Suarez
and Sanchez, who have not only been dominant for Philly,
but they both are left handed starting pitching. We know
what this team had struggled with for much of the year.
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How big of a boost was it for the offense
to put up fourteen runs over two games and do
so against two very good left handed starters.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think they're now past the point where like if
there was any block or uncertainty or they showed up
to the yard and they're like, oh man, we're facing
the left handed pitcher today. Not that that was the case,
but you need to do it. You need to see it.
I think the Rights have seene it now. They won't
go out and be the best or a top five
offense in the league against left handed pitching when you
look at the fact that I think Marte and what
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he's doing is real, and Harr against left handed pitching
at a bare minimum is going to be real, the
depths of options that they have, the ears seeing them
swinging the bat better a few other guys as well,
Like I think they can now realistically walk into these
batchups against left handers hanging their heads pretty high. And
the Phillies series was an ultimate description of that.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Do you feel better about where they are from a
lineup construction standpoint and the ability that they have it
seemingly now to maybe protect li day La Cruz a
little bit more in the order.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
It's been all season they've been alright, who's hot and
how can we get him behind Ellie because they've kind of,
you know, everyone's kind of tired of it. Red fans
are tired of teams pitching around Delie the way that
they have and Andrew Harror and Marte and I think
Lux has been swinging batwell recently as well. It gives
them that real option I will have this though, this
is going to be very, very fluid. I can guarantee
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you that Miguel Andha is not going to hit fourth
every day for the rest of the season. But it's
going like the way I see it is four through
eleven in this Red lineup, Like at this point last week,
Andrew Hall was basically eleven on the depth chart and
now he's four. And you can also add in South
Stewart and Hester Rodriguez is like twelve and thirteen. You
can make a case for like any one of those
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guys being the Red maybe fourth, but definitely fifth, sixth,
or seventh best hitters, anyone basically in that range. So
this will change this. Guys get hot, as guys get hurt.
I do expect them to play more matchups and keep
this very very fluid.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
As far as the Brewers are concerned, Charlie obviously coming
in here red hot, how do you explain what they
have been over the last month.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There are a lot of people in the Brewers organization
who are unbelievable their jobs like hitting development coordinators that
the red tap and pitching development coordinators and all these
guys at different levels that just churn out players who
know exactly how to play a certain brand of baseball
through player development and how they're developed. One more thing
that someone stressed me as well, because they have that
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depth that rises and shines. They also, by the way,
just have elite pitches and that's a factor this as well.
Like their pitching is just incredible and that's a huge
part of the puzzle. Someone told me about Christian Yelich's role,
and I'm not comparing him to Joe Burrow, but like
he's kind of their Burrow as the guy who oversees
and acts on kind of everything and then is a
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part of every decision, and as the most established player
on that team, has the ability to lead in that way.
And they're at have great leadership as well. You know Martinez, hey,
gone watch Trevino, et cetera. But obviously that's not your
best player, and there is some power in Yellwich's role
being able to do that and be that guy. I
think in Milwaukee, I.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Think there's like a pride thing or a mentality that
the Reds clubhouse can kind of take with them. I
know Terry Francona always shoots it down of like looking ahead,
but The Reds have kind of been embarrassed by the
Brewers the last few years. Do you think that that's
something they kind of take personally and will that affect
them at all you think going into this series.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I think it's something they take personally, and I think
at different points of the season that would have been
the conversation and the focus and the mentality looking at
the Brewers. I think it's different now. The Red's kind
of mentality entering this series is We've just beat I'm
going while.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
We're losing Charlie at the moment, Charlie. I know Charlie
is traveling at the moment, so we yeah, we'll see
if we can get him back. Charlie I think is
back now. We lost him for just a second.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But the upside of what this series is.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Oh, oh yeah, he might be going through what's known
as a rough patch.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, I think he is. He probably can't hear us either. Yeah,
I can hear you. Oh you can hear us now,
now we can hear We lost you for a few
seconds there.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Sorry, some real quick. I apologize what I was saying
there was I'm gonna drive right now. I apologize. I
think how they view this series is it's a chance
to kind of announce themselves and make it as real
contenders who could truly end up in the playoff picture
by the end of the weekend. While the Brewers stuff
is real, I think they viewed this upsot of this
series in this weekend what it could be.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
How do you view Charlie, you know, and before we
switch to the Bengals, the Terry Francona effect. When you
have a younger team that is putting together some good baseball,
but you also have the feeling that you have a
manager that the moment's never going to be too big
for when you get into these tight games. How much
can you can you lean on now Terry Francona and
really see him excel and the reason why the Reds
(09:00):
went out and got him as their manager.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I mean, you look at these upside this upside conversations.
I mean Francona is a part of that as well.
He's a he's a manager with upside in these series.
So I add him into that, mixed with Hunter with Elly,
with you know, Abbott with I guess Burns is now hurt,
but you get the guys I'm talking about here, Francona
is the guy who meets that upside as well.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Let's switch gears to the Bengals, and it's no surprise
a lot of the conversation has circled around the offensive line,
but Lucas Patrick as well, You've been at a majority
of these practices, Charlie, from what you've seen, can you
be confident to start this season at this point with
what you've seen on the offensive line?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I mean, what I keep going back to is it's
the exact same investment level that at guard that they
entered twenty twenty one with. And they didn't go into
twenty twenty one thinking that they were going to have
an offensive line that would be remembered for the rest
of time for how bad it was. They felt like
they had a rookie, second round pick, a veteran who
had played ball and had some team crossover, and they
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felt like they had better depths, and then it all snowballs.
So because the majority of those decision makers are the same,
you can't be certain. There is no certainty. As optimistic
as I feel about Dolan, Fairchild the rest of the room,
there's no way that you can feel confident about these
guys being good and then everything you've seen, especially Ifen
Luke and Patrick is negative, I'd have Cody Ford in there.
(10:28):
I think they just want to get him more represent
backle especially because both men and Brown have been banged up.
But it's a big concern that hasn't helped itself at
all in camp.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Is there, in your opinion, a backup plan or what
do you think other than you know, looking at the
waiver wire when cutdowns happen, is that the only thing
they could possibly do when looking for outside help now, I.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Mean, Dalton Riisner's out there, Like, who are the Bengals
backup guard right now? It's one of my Bengals takes
is that Jack think Kirkland should be getting more reps
and more opportunity and no offense to him, and he
made the team, but like what are we doing? Yeah,
it's at that point and no one has emerged from
that second tier group at all, and Jalen Rivers is
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already playing guard and that limits your swing tackle options.
Like you're already at that concerning point that you were
nervous you might get close to reaching. You're already there now.
Maybe it'll be fine if Cody Ford moves back to
right guard and everyone stays healthy. But if they're not,
there's not a single other alignment on this team who's
even had a decent camp.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I know you've talked in the past, Charlie about their
propensity to go after waiver claims. Is that something you
think they would do, both on the offensive line and
maybe at the edge rusher spot as well as we
get towards a cutdown day and edge let's.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
See where they're at from an injury perspective, like I
know Samples then banged up Cy Murphy, I have missed
a tiny bit of time themselves, said Johnson looks like
he's going to be hurt heading into the season, So maybe,
but definitely offensive line. I mean, someone could come in
and immediately be their sixth man, Like that's how desperate
they are almost for help there, and they've so not
(12:11):
throw a waiver wire guy do a pretty prominent stop
pretty quickly, whether it's Matt Sharping or Jake Salay, Like,
I mean, they've got to because what they have now,
including Lucy Patrick, even good.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Enough, Charlie, when you look at the team as a whole,
and you know, going from preseason game to preseason game
number or one to two, especially on the defensive side
of the ball. What are you hoping to see from
this defense on Monday against Washington?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, I keep going back to from the Eagles games,
was it really was a lot of one on one
struggles at quarter. Can a lot of those guys and
then especially hopefully ideally Dack and camp Taylor britt play,
Can they hit the ground running kind of show? All right?
With solid, reliable quarter play, this defense can be okay.
And then the opportunity of free safety two, Well, do
you know Stones on the upswing, you know you're still
(13:00):
one injury away from being right back there at that
position at the spot we've been talking about all week,
And Jason Anthony and Tyson Anderson haven't take advantage of
this opportunity that they've had this week. There's been no
separation there. So neither one of those guys pop for
potential to be a role player or at least a
roster spot guy on this defense.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Miles Murphy, to kind of piggyback, was not out at
practice again today. If he's not able to go on Monday,
how do you view again with so many guys banged
up or Trey hendrickson not practicing. How do you view
the defensive line as the season gets closer as well?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Well, this is why I'm in general now a player
starters in the preseason type of guy, because you're at
a point where you're kind of one injury away from
being an even more real concerning spot on the defensive line.
I think Shamar Stewarts had a successful camp, could have
Brown up with standing and his role continues to increase.
I think they feel very cool with what they have
(14:00):
with just so said Miles Murphy's Miles Murphy, and that's
a big part of the story of the season. Henderson
will be back at some point. Chris Jenkins has had
a strong camp. McKinley Jackson I thought was going to
have a great camp and he is enough. And a
wide open position battle is defensive tackle four, as they've
given longer looks to Howard Cross and Tadan Bryan and
(14:23):
McKinley's in there as well, but they're that competition for
the fifth defensive tackle spot, and then could one of
them beat out Jackson for a role on game days
on the active rosters. So that's another spot that's under
the spotlight. Fifth defensive tackles.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
This week Geno Stone with the soft tissue injury, he
did go through some of today's practice. I'll ask the
same from a confidence level point of view, Are you
confident if Genostone is healthy that the safety position is
where it needs to be or is that another position
that they might try to address when you get into cutdowns.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
See here's the problem. There are all these spots, and
we didn't like Paul Danner and on the Growler did
all these shows, and I did all these positional previews
in my need letter for free agency, Like there were
just all these things they needed to do. You know,
get that real starting offensive guard that Brandon Sheriff Tyke,
who I know retired, Get that pass rushing defensive tackle
(15:18):
and round out the depth of that room. Get a
true starting free safety that you knew is a starting
free safety. And they did none of that. They got TJ. Slayton,
who is good, but didn't fill a need as much.
Then they had to fill pressing desperate needs in the draft.
Their whole draft was drafting for need, and then they
still never got around of filling half their needs that
(15:38):
we've been talking about since the start of free agency.
So what is Geno son? He feels confident that this
defense is more like what the Ravens ran with him. Sure, good, interesting,
let's do what happened there. But I mean I did
a rewatch of it. I've rewatched all Genostone seasons. There
were like ten fifteen real negative negative moments plays he
should have made it many only made like two or
(15:59):
three plays off seasons. So he just has to be
someone completely different. He's the guy back in their role
who I have the hardest time understanding. But that's where
they're at. That's the problem they have to fix, and
you don't see what Alcolm can do.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Charlie, Before we let you go and thank you for
making time for us as you're traveling today. You know,
as somebody who is very close to the University of
Michigan like you are, both with your family and also
with your connection at Northwestern and being a part of
the Big ten family overall. What's your reaction to what
the NCAA announced today in the Michigan ruling.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It felt like Michigan football isn't even impacted by this,
So that doesn't feel like a punishment. That's where I'm at.
It feels like the punishments themselves. I've gotten much more
lenient in general over college football over the last decade,
and I'm curious why that's been the case. Yeah, I
was surprised by you know, sorry to my brother and
(16:55):
sister who both went to Michigan, but I buy my
Michigan doll a little easy.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well said Charlie, you're the best huge Cincinnati sports weekend.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Will you now refrain from wearing that Michigan polo after this?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
This is a great question.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know, it's still a part of their octation. I
do it more for my sister, who got it for me,
more than I do for me. That's the beauty of
being a Northwestern fan is that you have no rivals
still just like wear a shirt of it. Not that
I root for Michigan, because I don't, but you can
still wear a Michigan shirt. The Cat's running back room
looks deep this season. By the way, look out for
(17:31):
that at Northwestern.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
By the way, if I got you in Ohio State polo,
would you wear it?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I would not wear that. That's the longer conversation that
we'd have to have another time.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Wow, if you had to decide if they were playing
in the game and you had to pick one winner
and one loser. You pull from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Though I really don't like Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I thought I liked you before. I've never liked you more.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Right now, dude, maybe the highlight of my life is
a sports fan with Stunner steel through this like seventy
yards shout to open that game at Buckeye Stadium. Yeah,
and I thought the Bearcats were about to win it.
Don't ask what happened after. For that brief moment, that
was cool.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Chris Moore had himself a day there at at Ohio Stadium.
I know that, Charlie are the best man. Thank you
so much for your time. We'll talk again next week.
Thanks Charlie. Goldsmith's dead, just ed himself into he is now.
I wonder if, like Jeremy knows that at Fox nineteen.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yeah, well, Charlie's gonna be back on the unemployment line.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So I wonder if they know that, because now I'd
like to have Charlie on again this afternoon. We get
Charlie to talk Michigan, Ohio State, and the Bearcats.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I want to know what that longer story is.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, okay, let's pencil it in for next week. Up next,
Your Talkbacks, the Friday edition on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports station.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
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