September 10, 2025 • 22 mins
Tony and Austin talk Bengals and Bearcats with Dan Hoard on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back, Cincy three to sixty. Hour three is here
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listening on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station. We have the Hall of Fame Voice
of the Cincinnati Bearcats and the voice of the Cincinnati
Bengals joining us to kick off Hour number three right now.
It's Dan Horde. Dan, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Tony Austin.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
It's a beautiful day in the Natti and I can't
wait for two home games this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You got to sweep over the weekend, Dan, with the
Bearcats knocking off Bowling Green, Bengals, go and beat the
Cleveland Browns. Let's discuss. Let's start, obviously with with the
Browns Bengals game. Everyone points at the offense and the
struggles we've seen the struggles early in the season. We
know how talented this roster is. And yes, you see
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seven yards and a half and that can certainly screw
you a little bit. But if you look at this
from the grand scheme of things, there's not a lot
to be concerned about about this offense. Correct.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Is anybody worried about the Bengals offense long term? Curiously?
I mean I don't think anybody is. I'm certainly not.
They scored fewer the points last year in Week one
than they did this year, and they wound up being
the sixth highest scoring team in the NFL. So I
think the offense is going to break out, and probably
break out soon.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Look out, Jacksonville. It could happen this Sunday. That would
not surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The difference of this year to play underpar offensively, to
play good on defense, but find a way to win
a game that maybe you shouldn't have won. How different
of a few does that create now from the locker
room to now going into this week of practice, Because
there is there's a lot to work on for any
team after Week one, But when you're able to do that,
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when you want to know, it makes it a lot
easier going forward.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I just want to go back to the twenty twenty
two season when they started slowly. In that year, they
did wind up in the AFC Championship game, but in
Week one they basically lost exactly how they won last week.
It was that game against the Steelers. Clark Harris got hurt.
They had to have Mitchell Wilcox snap money Mack has
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a paight, a game winning pat blocked in the last
ten second seconds when it looked like Burrow had pulled
off a miracle comeback. And then they had a field
goal try in overtime that was less than thirty yards
that they shanked left because the snap came back at like,
you know, four miles an hour instead of the normal
velocity would come back. So it's happened to them before.
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It's about time that another team lost in the exact
same fashion. And I don't care how it looked. They
got the win. They're going to get better and road
wins in the division are hard to come by, so
I don't care how it looked. I am not the
least bit upset about how they played. They won the
freaking game. Let's go win another.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
We all know how confident the Bengals offense is. But
I can't stop watching that video of the Bengals posted
of Burrow going through the locker room and the defensive
back saying, we got your back, We got your back.
How important is it for a young group that has
a lot of pressure on them to feel the confidence
that they feel after a game that they played so
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well in Cleveland going into the rest of the season,
because you know, they've been kind of beat up and
talked about quite a bit. How important is confidence for
a young group, especially that secondary.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Really really important, especially after what happened in the preseason,
Because we praised the defense for looking good during training camp,
and it did. We weren't making it up. You know,
there were days that the defense outperformed burrowing the offense
in other days where it's more or less a stalemate.
Then in the three seats preseason games, they were atrocious
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and everybody thought, oh, here we go again. It might
even be worse. So for them to come out with
Al Golden calling the game the way he intended to
call it, guys giving it full effort and play as
well as they did, I think that was great for
their confidence. And it begins with stopping the run. This
team has been atrocious at defending the run for the
past several years. To have a team keep running so
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twenty four carries for the Browns, it wasn't like they
abandoned it early in the game. Not to have a
single carry longer than five yards. Had averaged two yards
per carry in the game. That's winning football. So there
are things to tighten up in the secondary, but sixteen
points in two yards of carry is going to get
it done most of the time.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Couple levels and layers to this defense that I wanted
to highlight one. You know, Al Golden was a linebackers
coach here before going to become the defensive coordinator. I
looked at this position as kind of an unknown because
you bring in Demetrius Knight out of the draft, you
get Logan Wilson back, and in the first opportunity they
have in a real game to play together, Demetrius Knight
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solo tackles ten total. Logan Wilson had seven tackles. What
did you feel that that was the key to unlocking
what they were able to get from their linebackers, especially
a guy Demetrius Knight playing in his first NFL game Tony.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think he had six tackles on the Browns opening drive.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's got to be an.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
NFL record, right, most tackles by a defensive player in
his debut on an opening drive. I can't imagine anybody's
ever had more than six. I thought he was great,
and I thought that he looked exactly like the guy
that we had described moments after the Bengals drafted him.
Two hundred and forty pounds, fast, downhill, hard hitting. Maybe
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not the greatest coverage linebacker out there. Eric Carter will
probably get more and more playing time and obvious passing situations.
But if you're looking for a guy that hits people
and makes, you know, help set the tone on first
down and second down, Demetrius Knight is that guy, and
I thought he was great.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's it's one thing to have great linebacker play, but
those linebackers also need to be able to play downhill
and play without having to shed blocks. And when your
front four is doing their job, it makes the linebacker's
job a lot easier. And I'm talking anywhere from BJ
Hill what Mike Pennell was able to do. TJ. Slayton,
who they went out and got Chris Jenkins. The list
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can go on and on. What from the front four
and again they made an emphasis to get better at
stopping the run. It just allows those linebackers to play
so much more free. What was your take on that
front four as a whole coming out a Week one?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I thought TJ Slayton was exactly what he was supposed
to be, a quick three hundred and forty pound guy
that's hard to block, hard to double team and help
shut down the run. He did that, plus showed a
little bit as a pass rusher, which was a pleasant surprise.
I thought Trey played the run well in Week one,
which was great to see. You know what have we
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said about Trey Hendrickson during the contract negotiations, elite pass rusher,
one of the best in the NFL, but not the
run stopper that Miles Garrett and Max Crosby are well.
Trade did a nice job against the run in Week
one and helped them get into obvious passing situations. Chris
Jenkins was solid. I thought DJ Hill was really good
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considering how little he did during training camp. Miles Murphy
was okay for the twenty two snaps that he was
in there, and Shamar Stewart looked excellent, so I thought
across the board, the defensive line looked really good.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
As you shift your focus to Jacksonville and prepare for them,
what stands out about the Jags.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Plus rushing yards in Week one against Carolina and more
than six yards of carry, So here we go. The
Bengals defense looked great at stopping the run in Week one,
but now they're facing a team that was as good
as anybody in the NFL and their opener at running
the ball, so it's going to be a legit challenge.
Etn appeared to be as good as ever in Week one.
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He finished with one and fifty one hundred and forty
three rushing yards in that victory, nearly nine yards of carry.
I'm a Syracuse grad, so I had hopes that maybe
the Bengals would take Lequint Allen in the draft this year.
He went to Jacksonville in the seventh round instead. Really
good pass catcher out of the backfield. So I think
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the running game and the running backs in general are good,
and that's going to be a job one for the
Bengals this week.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How much can what Shamar Steward gives them allow al
Golm to unlock with this defense because he looks like
a guy to me. He showed the strength We've all
seen the clips of him against the Cleveland Browns and
the overall strength I've seen him taking on three blockers
to allow others to make a tackle. We know he's
got speed, we know there's athleticism, and I know he
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didn't flash from a box score, but I thought he
flashed just watching the game. And that's Game one. How
much can Al Golden use him in a way that
maybe they can't use all the other defensive ends where
they can move him inside, they can move them outside,
they can stand him up a little bit. What does
he give Al Golden.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
He's definitely the most versatile guy that they have up front.
I'm feeling good about my preseason hot take that he
would finish in the top five in the NFL as
a rookie in deflected passes. He had two in Week one,
only one counted, unfortunately because of a penalty on Orrin Burks.
I might have to update that prediction to he will
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lead the NFL in deflected passes as a rookie and
it will be double digits. He's got an uncanny knack
at getting his hands on passes, and part of that
is just, you know, the sheer physical freak aspect.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
His wingspan is seven feet, he's six'.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Five because of his, explosiveness he generally gets close to
the quarterback even if he doesn't hit.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Him so there you.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Go he will leave THE nfl as a rookie into
flect the glasses landhard hot.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Take you AND i had a chance to See Travis
hunter live in. Person what do you view from your
time watching him as his biggest? Strength is it in
the secondary or is it with The Jacksonville jaguars as
a wide.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Receiver, well they are using him as a wide. Receiver
so In week one he had a good. Game he
had six, catches didn't go for a ton of yards
thirty three, yards but he didn't get a ton of
snaps on. DEFENSE i think it was six snaps on
defense In week.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
One it's.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Funny last year At colorado he had more than fourteen hundred,
snaps more than three hundred more than any other college.
Player last week he had thirty, nine so that would
average out to less than seven hundred snaps during.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The course of a seventeen game.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Season less than half of his workload last year At,
colorado So i'd expect that number to go, up.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But at least In week one they didn't use him
a ton ON.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Dp he led the team in targets In week. One
Brian Thomas, junior who is an all world type, receiver
only had one catch in the. Game This jacksonville, Offense,
DAN i feel like with a new, coach a new play,
Caller Trevor lawrence is kind of in that put up
or shut up type season and as you, mentioned they
were able to get the running game. Going it does
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make them a viable threat offensively going into a.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Game and you've got to think That brian, Targets Brian
thomas is going to get targeted a budge On sunday
after getting one catch in week. One he had nearly
thirteen hundred receiving yards as a. Rookie and how ABOUT
lsu wide, Receivers so when you see, HIM i, mean
the list now is it's like The Mount rushmore of
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wide receivers. Period Jamar, Justin, jefferson elite Neighbors Brian, thomas they're,
Active Odell Beckham junior and some of the other guys
that were there in the. Past it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Good stop.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Bad Jarvis landry comes to. Mind it's Great Jarvis. Landry,
yeah throw him on the. List Brandon. Lafelle if you
want to throw a Former bengal in. There there was
good News Patriots. Day so it's you, Know cincinnati tight
Ends ye AND lsu wide.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Receivers there you, go makes, sense makes. Sense what's the
one thing you want to see them improve on the
most from game one to game? Two obviously getting burrow
a little bit more comfortable The bengals in, hindsight we're
only able to run it for two yards of carry as,
Well what do you want to see most improve from
week one to week?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Two similar to what we just said About Brian, THOMAS
i want to see a lot more Of Jamar. Chase
Credit cleveland for doing a good job, of you, know
voting their coverages to him and finding ways to prevent
burrowed from hooking up with. Him but two catches for
twenty six yards is not what we expect From Jamar.
Chase and he doesn't have back to back unproductive games very.
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Often you can probably count on one hand the number
of times in HIS nfl career he's gone two games
in a row without having a pretty big. Game SO
i would Expect jamar to come out and have maybe
not double digit catches On, sunday but certainly more than,
five and if not more than one hundred yards close to.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
IT i have to ask with Our bearcats as. Well
WHILE i have a disappointing start to the, season they fought.
HARD i thought the defense played well Against, nebraska and
then you flip the switch To Bowling, Green. DAN i
thought it was such a unique game because it never
felt to me in the second half Like Eddie george
was trying to win the. Game it felt like they
were very. Content it was. Weird they were content taking their,
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time they were content getting a couple of, yards and
in lieu of, that you get beaten in time of
possession by a wide. Margin Bowling green runs more. Plays
how do you view the win Against Bowling green because
obviously there's a lot to improve, on but it just
never felt like a Normal saturday college football.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Game and what you were saying About Eddie, george they
got passed the fifty twice facing fourth and short and.
Punted that's nineteen seventies. Strategy That's Don shula With Bob
greasy and The dolphins way back When Chuck knowell with
The steelers and their great defense in the. Seventies that's
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not how teams do it. Now when you've got fourth
and short at the other team's forty one yard, line
you don't worry about twenty yards of field. Position you
try to keep the ball in. Score SO i thought
that that was kind.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Of strange By Eddie.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
George my overall view of the game last week was
good first second half of good first, half poor second,
half twenty one to three at the. Half they kick
the field goal in the third quarter to make a
twenty four to. Three it looked like they were going
to win by four. Touchdowns Then Evan pryor fumbled Bowling
green scored a touchdown three players, later and suddenly that
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gave him a little confidence, momentum and the team's kind
of traded scores the rest of the.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Way SO i.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Don't expect this week's game to be. Close Northwestern state
over the past several years has been one of the
weakest teams in the. Country they got crushed last week By,
northwestern SO i think it's going to be a laffer
for The bearcats and then after a bye, week it
gets real with a road game Of.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Kansas speaking of, confidence they didn't get much going in
the run, game but there was such an emphasis on
the passing. Game they Get Jeff cadwell involved unbelievable one handed.
Catch Joe royer had a seventy three yard, catch albeit
he was just targeted twice in the. Game Cyrus allen
a forty four yarder with two. Touchdowns how important going
forward is that explosive downfield play going to be for
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this offense to unlock it's full capability if they want
to be as balanced as they.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Can it's, big AND i think typically what does a
team do from week to? Week the first thing you'd
do is try to improve upon the things that you
did poorly the week. Before so In week, One cincinnati's
passing game was. Bad didn't even have seventy passing yards
in the, game and about half of what they had
came on their final. Drive so what do you do
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the next? Week you try to fix what was bad
the previous. Week they fixed. It three hundred and thirty
three passing, yards three. Touchdowns Jeff caldwell had one hundred
Plus Joe royer had one hundred. Plus so the passing
game was, there but the running game wasn't as, good
just just over one hundred yards Against Bowling. Green so
what do they do the next week to look to fix?
That SO i would expect the running game to be.
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Better the passing game might not be quite as explosive
as it was as a, result but it doesn't have to.
Be let's try to get both cooking for when they
needed Against kansas.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Two quick ones on the defensive side of the ball
before we let you go? One are we? Nationally Is
Jake golde being undervalued? NATIONALLY i mean he. Is he's
all over the. FIELD i know he was on the
preseason freak, list but he. WAS i mean it's hard
to be a one man wrecking crew in college. Football
he was every bit of. That he had fourteen. Tackles
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he flies all over the. Field he can, cover he
can get after the. Passer he's a short. Tackler he's,
UNDERVALUED i, think in my, opinion nationally.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Totally, agree maybe not AMONG nfl. SCOUTS i think the
buzz is growing For Jake. GOLDAY i think he's going
to be a starting linebacker in THE. Nfl but he's
tied for the national league in tacklesber. Game he's had
a sack in each of the first two. Games as you,
mentioned he's been good in. Coverage the dude as a total,
stud AND i think the reason why maybe people don't
know about him is that he's only been a linebacker for,
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basically you, know a year and a. Half he started
his college career as a defensive, end kind of a
defensive stand up rush end At Central, arkansas a. Bench
they moved him the linebacker towards the end of his time,
there and now obviously he's been a full time linebacker At,
cincinnati so he's.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Still learning the.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Position but he's two hundred and forty, pounds runs twenty
two miles an. HOUR i, mean the dude's a freak
and it's showing up on the. Field he's been fun to.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
WATCH i know they're not going to have Him, saturday
and then you get the help of the bye. Week
it's an understatement, already but how important is Getting Dante
corleone back to this team when they get Into big
twelve play. It we've talked about. It it looks like
a completely different defense up the. Middle, obviously When Dante
corleone is not able to.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Go it's.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Critical they're not going to win a lot Of big
twelve games About Dante, corleone and hopefully.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
He doesn't have to miss Any the bye week.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Helps the hope is he'll be back in time For,
kansas if not that, game then the following week Against Diowa.
STATE i will say one thing though about his. Absence
in the short, term they've been playing With dante in
the middle And jalen Hu hunt as a defensive end
in their three man defensive. LINE i Think jalen is
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capable of moving inside and the drop off won't be
as big as it's, been you, know keeping him on the.
End SO i think that's probably what they would likely
to do in the short, term Have jalen playing the inside,
more have other guys play on the, outside AND i
think that their defensive line can be. Solid not as
good as it is With dante out, there BUT i
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think it can be solid With hunt playing in the.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Middle where do you Rank Bowling green Linebacker Gideon lampren
from a middle name standpoint in all the years you've
been calling, football that would.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Be GIDEON Espn.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Lampram you Know lamprin WHAT i don't know BECAUSE i didn't,
ask is if he pronounces IT espn or if he
pronounces IT. Espen, yes that's one THING i should have
asked and. Didn't but, yes on his birth certificate it IS.
ESPN i believe his dad was sports. Fan that would
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seem to, correlate and he says he loves, it so
good for. Him some kits might be embarrassed by, that
but he said he's very proud.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Of his middle name and good for. Him he played.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Well Former dayton, guy they can move to the mac
and he played.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well that's, right lead the second on the team in
tackles On, Saturday, DAN i can't thank you enough for joining. Us,
Man you're the absolute, best AND i look forward to
seeing you here in a couple of.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Days right back at, You, Ton thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
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Welcome back, Cincy three to sixty. Hour three is here
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Bengals joining us to kick off Hour number three right now.
It's Dan Horde. Dan, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Tony Austin.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
It's a beautiful day in the Natti and I can't
wait for two home games this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You got to sweep over the weekend, Dan, with the
Bearcats knocking off Bowling Green, Bengals, go and beat the
Cleveland Browns. Let's discuss. Let's start, obviously with with the
Browns Bengals game. Everyone points at the offense and the
struggles we've seen the struggles early in the season. We
know how talented this roster is. And yes, you see
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seven yards and a half and that can certainly screw
you a little bit. But if you look at this
from the grand scheme of things, there's not a lot
to be concerned about about this offense. Correct.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Is anybody worried about the Bengals offense long term? Curiously?
I mean I don't think anybody is. I'm certainly not.
They scored fewer the points last year in Week one
than they did this year, and they wound up being
the sixth highest scoring team in the NFL. So I
think the offense is going to break out, and probably
break out soon.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Look out, Jacksonville. It could happen this Sunday. That would
not surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The difference of this year to play underpar offensively, to
play good on defense, but find a way to win
a game that maybe you shouldn't have won. How different
of a few does that create now from the locker
room to now going into this week of practice, Because
there is there's a lot to work on for any
team after Week one, But when you're able to do that,
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when you want to know, it makes it a lot
easier going forward.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I just want to go back to the twenty twenty
two season when they started slowly. In that year, they
did wind up in the AFC Championship game, but in
Week one they basically lost exactly how they won last week.
It was that game against the Steelers. Clark Harris got hurt.
They had to have Mitchell Wilcox snap money Mack has
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a paight, a game winning pat blocked in the last
ten second seconds when it looked like Burrow had pulled
off a miracle comeback. And then they had a field
goal try in overtime that was less than thirty yards
that they shanked left because the snap came back at like,
you know, four miles an hour instead of the normal
velocity would come back. So it's happened to them before.
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It's about time that another team lost in the exact
same fashion. And I don't care how it looked. They
got the win. They're going to get better and road
wins in the division are hard to come by, so
I don't care how it looked. I am not the
least bit upset about how they played. They won the
freaking game. Let's go win another.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
We all know how confident the Bengals offense is. But
I can't stop watching that video of the Bengals posted
of Burrow going through the locker room and the defensive
back saying, we got your back, We got your back.
How important is it for a young group that has
a lot of pressure on them to feel the confidence
that they feel after a game that they played so
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well in Cleveland going into the rest of the season,
because you know, they've been kind of beat up and
talked about quite a bit. How important is confidence for
a young group, especially that secondary.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Really really important, especially after what happened in the preseason,
Because we praised the defense for looking good during training camp,
and it did. We weren't making it up. You know,
there were days that the defense outperformed burrowing the offense
in other days where it's more or less a stalemate.
Then in the three seats preseason games, they were atrocious
(04:10):
and everybody thought, oh, here we go again. It might
even be worse. So for them to come out with
Al Golden calling the game the way he intended to
call it, guys giving it full effort and play as
well as they did, I think that was great for
their confidence. And it begins with stopping the run. This
team has been atrocious at defending the run for the
past several years. To have a team keep running so
(04:32):
twenty four carries for the Browns, it wasn't like they
abandoned it early in the game. Not to have a
single carry longer than five yards. Had averaged two yards
per carry in the game. That's winning football. So there
are things to tighten up in the secondary, but sixteen
points in two yards of carry is going to get
it done most of the time.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Couple levels and layers to this defense that I wanted
to highlight one. You know, Al Golden was a linebackers
coach here before going to become the defensive coordinator. I
looked at this position as kind of an unknown because
you bring in Demetrius Knight out of the draft, you
get Logan Wilson back, and in the first opportunity they
have in a real game to play together, Demetrius Knight
(05:14):
solo tackles ten total. Logan Wilson had seven tackles. What
did you feel that that was the key to unlocking
what they were able to get from their linebackers, especially
a guy Demetrius Knight playing in his first NFL game Tony.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think he had six tackles on the Browns opening drive.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's got to be an.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
NFL record, right, most tackles by a defensive player in
his debut on an opening drive. I can't imagine anybody's
ever had more than six. I thought he was great,
and I thought that he looked exactly like the guy
that we had described moments after the Bengals drafted him.
Two hundred and forty pounds, fast, downhill, hard hitting. Maybe
(05:57):
not the greatest coverage linebacker out there. Eric Carter will
probably get more and more playing time and obvious passing situations.
But if you're looking for a guy that hits people
and makes, you know, help set the tone on first
down and second down, Demetrius Knight is that guy, and
I thought he was great.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's it's one thing to have great linebacker play, but
those linebackers also need to be able to play downhill
and play without having to shed blocks. And when your
front four is doing their job, it makes the linebacker's
job a lot easier. And I'm talking anywhere from BJ
Hill what Mike Pennell was able to do. TJ. Slayton,
who they went out and got Chris Jenkins. The list
(06:39):
can go on and on. What from the front four
and again they made an emphasis to get better at
stopping the run. It just allows those linebackers to play
so much more free. What was your take on that
front four as a whole coming out a Week one?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I thought TJ Slayton was exactly what he was supposed
to be, a quick three hundred and forty pound guy
that's hard to block, hard to double team and help
shut down the run. He did that, plus showed a
little bit as a pass rusher, which was a pleasant surprise.
I thought Trey played the run well in Week one,
which was great to see. You know what have we
(07:18):
said about Trey Hendrickson during the contract negotiations, elite pass rusher,
one of the best in the NFL, but not the
run stopper that Miles Garrett and Max Crosby are well.
Trade did a nice job against the run in Week
one and helped them get into obvious passing situations. Chris
Jenkins was solid. I thought DJ Hill was really good
(07:39):
considering how little he did during training camp. Miles Murphy
was okay for the twenty two snaps that he was
in there, and Shamar Stewart looked excellent, so I thought
across the board, the defensive line looked really good.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
As you shift your focus to Jacksonville and prepare for them,
what stands out about the Jags.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Plus rushing yards in Week one against Carolina and more
than six yards of carry, So here we go. The
Bengals defense looked great at stopping the run in Week one,
but now they're facing a team that was as good
as anybody in the NFL and their opener at running
the ball, so it's going to be a legit challenge.
Etn appeared to be as good as ever in Week one.
(08:22):
He finished with one and fifty one hundred and forty
three rushing yards in that victory, nearly nine yards of carry.
I'm a Syracuse grad, so I had hopes that maybe
the Bengals would take Lequint Allen in the draft this year.
He went to Jacksonville in the seventh round instead. Really
good pass catcher out of the backfield. So I think
(08:42):
the running game and the running backs in general are good,
and that's going to be a job one for the
Bengals this week.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How much can what Shamar Steward gives them allow al
Golm to unlock with this defense because he looks like
a guy to me. He showed the strength We've all
seen the clips of him against the Cleveland Browns and
the overall strength I've seen him taking on three blockers
to allow others to make a tackle. We know he's
got speed, we know there's athleticism, and I know he
(09:09):
didn't flash from a box score, but I thought he
flashed just watching the game. And that's Game one. How
much can Al Golden use him in a way that
maybe they can't use all the other defensive ends where
they can move him inside, they can move them outside,
they can stand him up a little bit. What does
he give Al Golden.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
He's definitely the most versatile guy that they have up front.
I'm feeling good about my preseason hot take that he
would finish in the top five in the NFL as
a rookie in deflected passes. He had two in Week one,
only one counted, unfortunately because of a penalty on Orrin Burks.
I might have to update that prediction to he will
(09:49):
lead the NFL in deflected passes as a rookie and
it will be double digits. He's got an uncanny knack
at getting his hands on passes, and part of that
is just, you know, the sheer physical freak aspect.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
His wingspan is seven feet, he's six'.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Five because of his, explosiveness he generally gets close to
the quarterback even if he doesn't hit.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Him so there you.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Go he will leave THE nfl as a rookie into
flect the glasses landhard hot.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Take you AND i had a chance to See Travis
hunter live in. Person what do you view from your
time watching him as his biggest? Strength is it in
the secondary or is it with The Jacksonville jaguars as
a wide.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Receiver, well they are using him as a wide. Receiver
so In week one he had a good. Game he
had six, catches didn't go for a ton of yards
thirty three, yards but he didn't get a ton of
snaps on. DEFENSE i think it was six snaps on
defense In week.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
One it's.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Funny last year At colorado he had more than fourteen hundred,
snaps more than three hundred more than any other college.
Player last week he had thirty, nine so that would
average out to less than seven hundred snaps during.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The course of a seventeen game.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Season less than half of his workload last year At,
colorado So i'd expect that number to go, up.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But at least In week one they didn't use him
a ton ON.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Dp he led the team in targets In week. One
Brian Thomas, junior who is an all world type, receiver
only had one catch in the. Game This jacksonville, Offense,
DAN i feel like with a new, coach a new play,
Caller Trevor lawrence is kind of in that put up
or shut up type season and as you, mentioned they
were able to get the running game. Going it does
(11:39):
make them a viable threat offensively going into a.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Game and you've got to think That brian, Targets Brian
thomas is going to get targeted a budge On sunday
after getting one catch in week. One he had nearly
thirteen hundred receiving yards as a. Rookie and how ABOUT
lsu wide, Receivers so when you see, HIM i, mean
the list now is it's like The Mount rushmore of
(12:04):
wide receivers. Period Jamar, Justin, jefferson elite Neighbors Brian, thomas they're,
Active Odell Beckham junior and some of the other guys
that were there in the. Past it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Good stop.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Bad Jarvis landry comes to. Mind it's Great Jarvis. Landry,
yeah throw him on the. List Brandon. Lafelle if you
want to throw a Former bengal in. There there was
good News Patriots. Day so it's you, Know cincinnati tight
Ends ye AND lsu wide.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Receivers there you, go makes, sense makes. Sense what's the
one thing you want to see them improve on the
most from game one to game? Two obviously getting burrow
a little bit more comfortable The bengals in, hindsight we're
only able to run it for two yards of carry as,
Well what do you want to see most improve from
week one to week?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Two similar to what we just said About Brian, THOMAS
i want to see a lot more Of Jamar. Chase
Credit cleveland for doing a good job, of you, know
voting their coverages to him and finding ways to prevent
burrowed from hooking up with. Him but two catches for
twenty six yards is not what we expect From Jamar.
Chase and he doesn't have back to back unproductive games very.
(13:14):
Often you can probably count on one hand the number
of times in HIS nfl career he's gone two games
in a row without having a pretty big. Game SO
i would Expect jamar to come out and have maybe
not double digit catches On, sunday but certainly more than,
five and if not more than one hundred yards close to.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
IT i have to ask with Our bearcats as. Well
WHILE i have a disappointing start to the, season they fought.
HARD i thought the defense played well Against, nebraska and
then you flip the switch To Bowling, Green. DAN i
thought it was such a unique game because it never
felt to me in the second half Like Eddie george
was trying to win the. Game it felt like they
were very. Content it was. Weird they were content taking their,
(13:56):
time they were content getting a couple of, yards and
in lieu of, that you get beaten in time of
possession by a wide. Margin Bowling green runs more. Plays
how do you view the win Against Bowling green because
obviously there's a lot to improve, on but it just
never felt like a Normal saturday college football.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Game and what you were saying About Eddie, george they
got passed the fifty twice facing fourth and short and.
Punted that's nineteen seventies. Strategy That's Don shula With Bob
greasy and The dolphins way back When Chuck knowell with
The steelers and their great defense in the. Seventies that's
(14:38):
not how teams do it. Now when you've got fourth
and short at the other team's forty one yard, line
you don't worry about twenty yards of field. Position you
try to keep the ball in. Score SO i thought
that that was kind.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Of strange By Eddie.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
George my overall view of the game last week was
good first second half of good first, half poor second,
half twenty one to three at the. Half they kick
the field goal in the third quarter to make a
twenty four to. Three it looked like they were going
to win by four. Touchdowns Then Evan pryor fumbled Bowling
green scored a touchdown three players, later and suddenly that
(15:14):
gave him a little confidence, momentum and the team's kind
of traded scores the rest of the.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Way SO i.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Don't expect this week's game to be. Close Northwestern state
over the past several years has been one of the
weakest teams in the. Country they got crushed last week By,
northwestern SO i think it's going to be a laffer
for The bearcats and then after a bye, week it
gets real with a road game Of.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Kansas speaking of, confidence they didn't get much going in
the run, game but there was such an emphasis on
the passing. Game they Get Jeff cadwell involved unbelievable one handed.
Catch Joe royer had a seventy three yard, catch albeit
he was just targeted twice in the. Game Cyrus allen
a forty four yarder with two. Touchdowns how important going
forward is that explosive downfield play going to be for
(15:58):
this offense to unlock it's full capability if they want
to be as balanced as they.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Can it's, big AND i think typically what does a
team do from week to? Week the first thing you'd
do is try to improve upon the things that you
did poorly the week. Before so In week, One cincinnati's
passing game was. Bad didn't even have seventy passing yards
in the, game and about half of what they had
came on their final. Drive so what do you do
(16:23):
the next? Week you try to fix what was bad
the previous. Week they fixed. It three hundred and thirty
three passing, yards three. Touchdowns Jeff caldwell had one hundred
Plus Joe royer had one hundred. Plus so the passing
game was, there but the running game wasn't as, good
just just over one hundred yards Against Bowling. Green so
what do they do the next week to look to fix?
That SO i would expect the running game to be.
(16:44):
Better the passing game might not be quite as explosive
as it was as a, result but it doesn't have to.
Be let's try to get both cooking for when they
needed Against kansas.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Two quick ones on the defensive side of the ball
before we let you go? One are we? Nationally Is
Jake golde being undervalued? NATIONALLY i mean he. Is he's
all over the. FIELD i know he was on the
preseason freak, list but he. WAS i mean it's hard
to be a one man wrecking crew in college. Football
he was every bit of. That he had fourteen. Tackles
(17:17):
he flies all over the. Field he can, cover he
can get after the. Passer he's a short. Tackler he's,
UNDERVALUED i, think in my, opinion nationally.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Totally, agree maybe not AMONG nfl. SCOUTS i think the
buzz is growing For Jake. GOLDAY i think he's going
to be a starting linebacker in THE. Nfl but he's
tied for the national league in tacklesber. Game he's had
a sack in each of the first two. Games as you,
mentioned he's been good in. Coverage the dude as a total,
stud AND i think the reason why maybe people don't
know about him is that he's only been a linebacker for,
(17:50):
basically you, know a year and a. Half he started
his college career as a defensive, end kind of a
defensive stand up rush end At Central, arkansas a. Bench
they moved him the linebacker towards the end of his time,
there and now obviously he's been a full time linebacker At,
cincinnati so he's.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Still learning the.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Position but he's two hundred and forty, pounds runs twenty
two miles an. HOUR i, mean the dude's a freak
and it's showing up on the. Field he's been fun to.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
WATCH i know they're not going to have Him, saturday
and then you get the help of the bye. Week
it's an understatement, already but how important is Getting Dante
corleone back to this team when they get Into big
twelve play. It we've talked about. It it looks like
a completely different defense up the. Middle, obviously When Dante
corleone is not able to.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Go it's.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Critical they're not going to win a lot Of big
twelve games About Dante, corleone and hopefully.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
He doesn't have to miss Any the bye week.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Helps the hope is he'll be back in time For,
kansas if not that, game then the following week Against Diowa.
STATE i will say one thing though about his. Absence
in the short, term they've been playing With dante in
the middle And jalen Hu hunt as a defensive end
in their three man defensive. LINE i Think jalen is
(19:05):
capable of moving inside and the drop off won't be
as big as it's, been you, know keeping him on the.
End SO i think that's probably what they would likely
to do in the short, term Have jalen playing the inside,
more have other guys play on the, outside AND i
think that their defensive line can be. Solid not as
good as it is With dante out, there BUT i
(19:28):
think it can be solid With hunt playing in the.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Middle where do you Rank Bowling green Linebacker Gideon lampren
from a middle name standpoint in all the years you've
been calling, football that would.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Be GIDEON Espn.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Lampram you Know lamprin WHAT i don't know BECAUSE i didn't,
ask is if he pronounces IT espn or if he
pronounces IT. Espen, yes that's one THING i should have
asked and. Didn't but, yes on his birth certificate it IS.
ESPN i believe his dad was sports. Fan that would
(20:01):
seem to, correlate and he says he loves, it so
good for. Him some kits might be embarrassed by, that
but he said he's very proud.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Of his middle name and good for. Him he played.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Well Former dayton, guy they can move to the mac
and he played.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well that's, right lead the second on the team in
tackles On, Saturday, DAN i can't thank you enough for joining. Us,
Man you're the absolute, best AND i look forward to
seeing you here in a couple of.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Days right back at, You, Ton thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
On Absolutely that Is Dan, horde The hall Of fame
voice of The bearcat's voice of The Cincinnati. Bengals nice
enough to kick off our number. Three we'll be back
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