Cincy 360 w/ Austin Elmore -- 7/15/25

Austin talks about the Home Run Derby and All-Star Game, chats with Joe Danneman and Mo Egger, takes your calls and TalkBacks, and more on ESPN 1530!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi, Hello and welcome in Sincy. Three sixty is live
here on ESPN fifteen thirty and my name is Austin Elmore.
Thank you for joining me today. No Tony Pike today,
No Tony the rest of the week. As a matter
of fact, we won't hear from Tony again until July
twenty third. That's when the Bengals begin training camp. So

(00:44):
looking forward to Tony's return, but until then, it's just
you and me. Thank you for being here. Coming up
at one o'clock, our normal Tuesday guest Joe Daniman from
Fox nineteen will join us. We'll get his thoughts on
the upcoming All Star Game tonight, the home run derby
last night, some Bengals news that might be floating around

(01:07):
out there as we get set for training camp, and
so much more. We'll have your talkbacks at one twenty
and we'll talk Bengals exclusively in our number three as well.
Phone lines are open five point three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. They will be open for the entirety of
the show. You're gonna hear from Ellie de la Cruz.

(01:27):
Two different conversations with Ellie de la Cruz, one very
short talking about his hopes and plans and perhaps dreams
for the home run derby one day, and about a
minute and a half of Ellie from All Star Game
Media yesterday, where he covers a number of topics, including
his fellow Reds All Star Andrew Abbott. Andrew Abbott expected

(01:50):
to pitch tonight in neither the fifth or sixth inning
for the National League. Tonight, of course, the Major League
Baseball All Star Game gets underway at eight a clock.
Ellie expected to play as well, and looking forward to that.
We'll give you the starting lineups on that coming up
in just a little bit. And also I'm gonna try
to fix the All Star Game. This is probably some

(02:11):
stuff that maybe you've heard before, or maybe you haven't,
but I have some ideas for the All Star Game
that I'm gonna try to figure out, and hopefully I
can get your ideas as well. Five point three seven
four nine, fifteen thirty or tweeted me at Audiellmore as well.
The Bengals announced earlier today that tomorrow will be the

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official announcement of their twenty twenty five Ring of Honor class.
You might be needing a refresher on the nominees. Jim Breach,
James Brooks, Chris Collinsworth, David Folcher, Dave Lapham, Max Montoya
Leap and Lamar Parrish, Bob Trumpy and Reggie Williams were
the nominees this year. The Bengals have said they're gonna

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reevaluate how they do the Ring of Honor after this season,
but this is your last chance. You can call in.
You can le a talk back, You can tweet at me.
Who did you vote for? And why? Why should the
people you voted for or you could vote for you
want to vote for? Why should they be the next
two in the Bengals Ring of Honor? Your voice can

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be heard five one three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.
As while I ask that you bear with me today
because I woke up this morning with a bit of
a sore throat, and I had a couple of meetings
this morning and a little bit stuffed up as well.
I don't know what it was. I don't know if
it's the weather. I don't know if it was too

(03:36):
cold last night. I like it cold when I try
to sleep. But I'm a little just it's just a
little bit unhealthy the voice right now. And so there
may be some moments where you hear me pause to
take a drink of this lovely tea that I have
here with me.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I don't have any issues.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's not like super sore, but it's just we're not
operating at one hundred percent today, So I ask that
you bear with me. Home Run Derby last night, cal
Raleigh the Seattle Mariners edges out Junior Camenaro of the
Tampa Bay Rays to win the home run Derby. And
I guess it's just the year of the dumper Man.
Everything is coming up Big dumper cal Raley, who is

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rewriting the record books, breaking records set by Johnny Bench
with home runs. He nearly broke a record by Barry
Bonds for the most home runs prior to the All
Star Break. He edges out, and I mean edges out
the competition last night at Truest Park in Atlanta. He
advanced to the semi finals by like less than an inch.
You may have seen that image of the advanced data

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of how they got him in.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I listen.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think it's a little bit sketchy. I really do.
I think it's a little bit sketchy. But they say
by zero point nine to six inches. He hit a
ball further than I believe. It was Brent Rooker of
the Oakland or the Sacramento or just the Athletics that
got Raleigh into the semi finals.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
He would go on to win.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Ohneo Cruz of the Pittsburgh Pirates put on a power display,
including hitting a ball five hundred and thirteen feet out
of Truest Park. I cannot explain to you just how
far that ball is that he hit.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
But the home run Derby is the topic of our
Revive Fitnessystems dot com pole question today. Should the home
run Derby go back to its original format of ten
outs and that's it? You can vote at audio moor
a U t y E l m O r E.
You can vote at ESPN fifteen thirty on Twitter slash

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x and make your voice heard in that way. I
have liked the changes to the derby in the past,
but last night I found myself disliking them. I don't
like that there's a pitch count. I don't like that
there's a pitch count and a clock. I don't like
the bonus round. I don't like it's just and on

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top of it, it has made it a nearly impossible
event to watch comfortably on television. I switched over to
the stat cast version because even though they're a little
bit more data driven and analytical, the camera angles were better,
the information was better. The broadcast in and of itself

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was better, the camera like everything about it. Just the
direction of that broadcast was much more clean and crisp,
and what the home run derby is supposed to be,
including information about where the player wants the ball to
be thrown, where the ball's actually being thrown, where how
far out in front of the plate they're hitting the ball,
like stuff that like, Okay, that makes sense, how did

(06:51):
that ball go that far?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Okay, that's why.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
But you quickly forget because there's just another pitch coming
and the clock is running down and you're waiting to
see all is that going to be home run? Does
the line turn red? Does the line stay yellow holf,
what's the launch angle? And it became too much work
watching the derby last night to figure out who exactly
was doing what and how much time and the strategy

(07:15):
this and blah blah blah, and it's just not no
longer a made for TV event. It was difficult to
watch and follow along with. And so now I'm starting
to think that maybe we should go back to the
ten outs, which is you are up there and you

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can hit as many homers as you possibly can, but
you can't make ten outs and by the time you
make ten outs, you're done. Now, we've seen some pretty
unbelievable home run derby performances before with that structure, and
you also got to appreciate the majestic blasts that those
dudes would hit. And I think it would be better

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with all the data and the analytics and the information
and the tracking and the stack cast that we have
now if you could pitch by pitch kind of admire
without there being a clock and without there being a
pitch count. I mean, the first round took two and
a half hours last night, it felt like, so it's
not like time is an issue. On top of that,

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they've just sold the crap out of it. So there's
commercials every thirty seconds. There's timeouts happening all the time.
Nobody enforces the time of the actual timeouts because Gatorades
got to get their their image in there.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
They got It's just.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Am I old man, get off my lawn here. I
was entertained by the derby last night, which I guess
ultimately is all that really matters. But I thought I
liked it, But I don't know that I like it
anymore last night, and just the general difficulties of trying
to produce such a broadcast on television, and.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I just I didn't enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I didn't enjoy the actual broadcast, and like the confusion
and the work that I felt like I had to
do to understand what was going on, as opposed to
just sitting there watching dudes take some hacks and hit
some homers. So cal Rawley wins it, and I thought
it was an entertaining competition. Matt Olsen didn't quite make it.
Jazz Chisholm was the worst. He hit I think just

(09:17):
three maybe four home runs. They put Pat McAfee out
there for the introductions. I know a lot of people
got big mad about Pat McAfee. I thought that was
all right. It was just the introductions. He wasn't a
part of the actual broadcast. If there's one thing that
McAfee does well, it's that sort of thing. As long
as I didn't have to listen to him like during

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the actual broadcast, I thought he did a pretty good job.
I thought he was funny. I thought he was entertaining,
So that was good. All the pomp and circumstance prior
to the actual home run Derby I thought was really cool.
The Chipper Jones introduction and the kind of like edit
that they put together. I thought that was really cool.

(10:00):
It was cool to see Ken Griffy Junior there taking
photos actually put up retweeted the Mariners last night on
my Twitter a picture of Cal Rawley at the home
Run Derby that was taken by Ken Griffy Junior at
the in the dugout last night.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
And on top of that, how about the FaceTime for
Ellie Dela Cruz at the home Run Derby. Ellie was
all over the place at the Derby. He was out
there with all of his friends, his buddies, some of
his pals from the Dominican Republic. He was taling people off,
he was bringing gatorades, he was hyping him up. He

(10:38):
was live on Instagram for a while. Ellie de la
Cruz got a lot of FaceTime on national television. He
actually at one point stopped by the ESPN broadcast with
Eduardo Perez and Edwardo asked him about Ellie potentially participating
in the derby someday.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Iver going to do this. I would like to know
this now, but somebody I would like to do.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Let's go, let's get it.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I think I could win this. I can win this,
Ellie said. I tend to agree with him, but there
is a little bit of an exhaustion factor. There is
some strategy that comes into it. I would love to
see Ellie doing it. I've talked about this before. I
kind of appreciate that he's not, just because of the
season that he's had. Obviously, the death of his sister

(11:30):
earlier this year that caused him to miss a little
bit of time. He ended up not missing any games,
but still that's a lot to go through. He had
the leg injury that he was playing through and not
one hundred percent at times. He's told the Reds, I
want to play an all one hundred and sixty two games.
I want to be available every single day, and he
knows that, like he needs the rest during the All

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Star break. He's not going to play much tonight, maybe
an inning, maybe two, but he understands, Yes, I want
to do this and someday I will, but now is
not the time because my team needs me. And I
just appreciate that from Ellie day La Cruz, the maturity
that it takes for him to say, yeah, you know what,

(12:10):
this looks fun. I would have a blast doing this,
but right now is not the right time for me.
So kudos to Ellie for that. I look forward to
the day that he does, whether he is a Red
or not, that will be really a blast for Ellie
day La Cruz. Coming up in the next segment, you'll
hear from Ellie. He met with the media yesterday. Yesterday
was All Star Game media Day where they all it

(12:33):
kind of looks like super Bowl, like the you like
the Super Bowl Saturday night or whatever that is kind
of looks like that, and they all kind of super
Bowl media Day, That's what I'm trying to say, where
they all kind of sit around. They've got their little
podiums and people crowd around them. So Ellie got a
pretty good spot with a lot of different to a

(12:53):
lot of space for a lot of different interviews. And
there's about ninety seconds of Ellie talking with the media,
talks about Otani, talks about Lindor, talks about a little
bit of everything. Uh So we'll get that to you
coming up in the next segment. And also my thoughts
on the All Star Game and maybe how Baseball can
change it to where it just makes a little bit

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more sense for everybody that's the You know, I understand
that there's a lot of talk about marketing the game
and the draft and the players and the derby and
the futures game, Like, there's a lot that Baseball could
do better, and I don't quite understand why they seem
to make it so hard on themselves. If you have

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any thoughts on how the All Star Game or the
Home Run Derby could be better five point three seven
four nine, fifteen thirty. We'll also do talkbacks today at
our normal time at one twenty one twenty uh is
our Talkbacks Today, following Joe Daniman a little bit later
on ESPN's quarterback rankings are out. We care way too

(13:57):
much about quarterback rankings in today's day and age. Sam
Hubbard talked to Chris Collinsworth at Pro Football Focus and
talked a little bit about retirement and why he chose
to do it when he chose to do it. I'm
going to bring you part of that today, more of
that tomorrow. Plus there's a little bit of news about

(14:17):
Shamar Stewart according to twenty four to seven Sports. We'll
get into. I don't know that it's a good thing.
Trey Hendrickson has been posting Bengals content on his Instagram.
I don't know if that's a good thing. You'll hear
from Sam eventually about Trey Hendrickson as well. We're four
days away from Bengals rookies reporting to training camp, so

(14:38):
we're four days away from figuring out if Shamar Stewart
is going to be there or not. Right now, I'm
guessing not. And with that, what TJ. Huschman Zada said
about negotiating with the Bengals, tie that into yesterday's conversation
as well when it comes to the narrative around this club.

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So we've got a lot the ground the cover between
now and three o'clock. I thank you for being here.
Austin Elmore writing solo with no TP for the next
week or so. Thanks so much for listening. This is
since he three to sixty hour one, brought to you
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Speaker 5 (15:19):
Well twenty fifteen. Pluck at this one. We need to
get a roll right center. What out?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
That was a call on ESPN last night. O'Neil Cruz
five hundred and thirteen feet out of Truest Park in
Atlanta at Baul was launched to deep write center at
wardo Perez, Carl Ravich and Cincinnati's Todd Fraser on the call.
I guess he's not Cincinnatis, but he is kind of

(15:51):
our guy, right Todd Fraser, He was on the call.
Good stuff there last night. As O'Neil Cruz, he goes deep,
deep deep. We also had a one of the kids
on the field rob a home run from junior Cameron Arrow,
which was pretty funny. And then of course cal Raley
with his dad and his brother advanced to the finals

(16:14):
beat Cameron Arrow and win the home run derby. I
do think it's cool that they get a million dollars
in a big chain. I think that's pretty fun. I
appreciate them, you know, kind of putting an incentive out
there for players to do that. So that's, if nothing else,
a good idea and a good job by Major League Baseball.
They might have to give a million dollars to every

(16:35):
player who plays in the All Star Game to get
players to start playing in the All Star Game. A
lot of people were big mad, myself included about the
fact that Jacob Mizerowski is going to be an All Star,
is an All Star despite making five career starts in
Major League Baseball. And the big thing you got to

(16:59):
understand about it is that he's there because some guys
are hurt. A and b other guys pulled out and
see because guys pitch on Sunday, they're ineligible to pitch
on Tuesday. And this again just seems to me like
Baseball is shooting itself in the foot with the way

(17:22):
that they handle the All Star Game. What I would
say is, first and foremost, let's start with the Sunday
before the break, right, Let's do no baseball right. So
the only game on Sunday is Sunday Night, and it's
the Futures game. You broadcast it on ESPN or MLB

(17:42):
Network or whatever you gotta do. It's one baseball game
Sunday night, and it's the Futures game, and the series
are wrapped up by Saturday night. Okay, so let's start
with that. So no games on Sunday, and then let's
take an entire week off, so you won't play again
until next Monday. So you play your last game of

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the quote unquote first half on Saturday night, and then
you are off until the following Monday. Then the games resume.
Then you can kind of build up the All Star
week a little bit, give everybody a chance to travel
to whatever city it's in. You can do the home
run derby on Tuesday, play the game on Wednesday, and

(18:28):
then everybody still has Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday to actually
have an All Star break. That's my guest, like, let's
start with that in terms of the actual structure of
the week, and then and I understand baseball is not
gonna want to take that much time off, but everybody
needs a little bit of a break from baseball. That's

(18:48):
how I would do it with the time off, and
then I would completely get rid of fan voting, with
the exception of like maybe some like at the very end,
like the fans have a vote, have a chance to
vote for a certain number of candidates to get that
player in or out. Fan voting in and of itself,
I think is stupid. I've said that several times in

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the past. I would like Baseball to put it up
to the players, the coaches, the front offices, the beat riders,
the broadcasters, the people that are involved and entrenched in
the game every single day. I don't think fans should
have that big of an impact, especially because fans with
the bigger markets are going to dominate the voting and

(19:29):
get their players into the All Star Game over players
that are more deserving. I think you look at the
statistics of Mookie Betts and Francisco Lindor and you're like, yeah,
those guys are really good, and you look at Elie
de la Cruz and he blows them out of the water.
It should mean something to start an All Star Game.

(19:49):
It should mean something to be an All Star. And
maybe with the extra time off, it would be incentive
to a be able to get pitchers who can actually
pitch in the All Star Game, and b actually get
players to want to participate and know they'll have some
off time afterwards where they don't have they have a
little bit of time to recover, so you can actually

(20:11):
get your best players to the game, the guys that
are voted in by those broadcasters and players, fellow players,
executives and so on. Like to me, that just makes
the most sense. And by the way, after the All
Star Game on Wednesday, you can do the draft Thursday, Friday, Saturday, whatever.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Because they do the draft down there, you can actually
turn that into an event if you'd choose to. Even
though today, like when Manford was down there and Georgia
just kind of doing it the draft, all he really
was doing was announcing names. Everything was still happening in
New York. So it just feels like it's so simple.

(20:55):
Let the season breathe for a minute, take a full
week off, do the home run beyond Tuesday, you know,
do the whole media stuff on Monday, Derby on Tuesday,
game on Wednesday, everybody's off Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and
then Sunday could be a travel day for the teams
that have to go on the road to open up
the second half of the year. Incentivize the players to

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be there. Make it mean something, whether financially or what
because for a while, baseball was still like the only
sport where it mattered that you were an All Star.
It has a direct implication, direct effect on like your
your candidacy, or your Hall of Fame case, or how

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you're remembered.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Like it meant something.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
It carried weight, Like the Pro Bowl these days doesn't
really carry weight because there's so many alternates. It shouldn't
count for a Pro Bowl if you're a Pro Bowl
alternate it The NBA All Star Game now doesn't really
count as much as it used to. Basketball are still
a little bit of way to it. But baseball used
to be the one that carried the most weight, and
now it feels like that's dwindling. So how did we

(22:04):
get to a point where all Star games just don't
matter at all? Is it the idea of load management?
Is it the idea of.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Understanding like how much rest your body needs? Is it
the idea of.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't need to go out there to market myself
because I can market myself on social media, like how exactly, like,
how did we get to the point where all star
games in all sports.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Don't really matter that much?

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
How did we get there?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't know if I fully understand that phone lines
are open five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.
Once again, bear with me with the voice today. Let's
go to Fort Thomas. That's where Sam is.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
What's up? Sam?

Speaker 7 (22:49):
Hey, man, I appreciate you taking my call.

Speaker 8 (22:53):
Uh. Yeah, As far as what you just said, I
think you're exactly right.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
All Star games have.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
Become minute at this point, and it's like they don't
want to play, So we got to give them incentive
to play. I love the million dollar thing with the
homerun Derby. We got to find the incentive with the
players in the All Star Game. As far as the
game goes itself, They've tried so hard in the last
few years to do this Field of Dreams game. Why
why not are we doing the All Star Game? It's

(23:20):
the field of Dreams game. I've got this image in
my head of all these all Stars walking out of
the cornfields. Okay, we need to make these games nostalogic.
You said, it's the fans have too big of a
thing Okay, yeah, but it is still for the fans,
and they still want to walk. I've just got this
image of them walking out of the cornfields, the red

(23:40):
carpet of baseball promoted that way. Yeah, why not a thing?
As a fan myself, I get worked up with the
nostalgia and everything, everything with the national anthem, everything, I
get worked up with that. I get worked up with
the field of dreams games. Why not do it there?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, Sam, that's a really good point. I do appreciate
the phone call, and I know that they're redoing that
whole facility. They're making it a lot bigger, right that
they're like trying to turn it into more of a
stadium but also like a campus, because I guess they
want to like make that a yearly thing. But yeah,
that would make sense. That would make sense to do

(24:21):
an All Star game there. I guess the big thing
is the cities and the owners and like they all
want like their ballpark to benefit and just financially bringing
an influx of cash to each city. Somebody who knows
more about that sort of stuff might be able to
correct me on that, or at least provide some sort
of perspective. I would imagine the owners and the cities

(24:46):
that host Major League Baseball teams would not want that
to happen. But I don't hate the idea of potentially
centralized location for the All Star Game. Even when they
went down to what was it last year? They were
they in Birmingham, They were somewhere in Alabama or Mississippi
where they honored the Negro leagues and they did kind

(25:07):
of like a throwback broadcast back there. You could do
something like that as well, like they think of the
several times that they've kind of do these like tent
pole events across Major League Baseball, like you got the
Speedway Classic coming up between the Reds and the Braves
in August. We'll see how that goes. But they've also
they do the game at Williamsport and the Little League
World Series? Could they do an All Star Game there?

(25:30):
Could they do one in Omaha where the College World
Series is played and look for some sort of an
atmosphere there. Could they go around to do you know?
You know what I'm saying, Like, I think the game
is still popular. I think the game is still interesting.
And as long as they're selling out stadiums with fifty
thousand people. They're not gonna move away from stadiums that
size and just the sheer amount of money that's created.

(25:52):
But I do think baseball should be more open minded
to the way that they are approaching the All Star Game,
the break.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
This is what they do best, like the.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
All Star Game, the home run derby, all of that
is what baseball does best. But they screw it up
because the draft is happening while games are happening, the
future game is happening while games are happening. They don't
do a good enough job of marketing the players from
the smaller markets. This is like their chance to do that,

(26:24):
and it felt like last night the home run derby
was a bit of a miss. I don't know, am
I crazy? Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.
We'll get to more phone calls when we get back.
This is since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty. Loeger,
We've talked about this a lot. He's got what you want, Like,
who's the go to guy gonna be? He interviews, his
views and your calls.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Go to guy isn't the team's leading.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
Score Loweger today at three on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Finding time for his.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Welcome back since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station. I'm Austin Homore. No Tony today, No
Tony the rest of the week. Tony back just in
time for training camp. We'll see what happens for Bengals
training camp and what our coverage looks like. In the meantime,

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we got phone calls five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty talking Home Run Derby, talking All Star Game,
talking anything really you want to talk about right now?
An update on our Revivefitnessystems dot com poll question, should
the Home Run Derby go back to its original format
of ten outs and that's it right now? Fifty four

(27:41):
percent say yes, eleven percent say no, thirty four percent
say I don't care. A couple of replies, Skip says
that he's him and his son think they should do
the ten out format in the top four advance then
seed one on verses four and two verses three, with

(28:02):
winners going to the finals, but the ten out format throughout. Okay.
Dave chimes in. He says, same format. Pitching machine Round
one fifteen pitches, ninety seven miles an hour. Round two
twelve pitches, one hundred miles an hour. Round three, ten pitches,
one hundred and three miles an hour. Okay, Dave, all right,

(28:24):
I see that. Okay, let's go back to the phones.
Let's go to Mike in La Mike, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
All right?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Not gonna do that. Unbelievable. So what else should we
talk about? Yeah, listen, I think the All Star Game
is fun to watch. It's still watching and you know,
exciting to watch because there is still like an element
to the actual game as being played. Guys are still

(28:53):
throwing their best pitches. People are still you know, they're
still stealing. There's bunting, there's homers, like there's actual baseball
being played, whereas football now.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's just a bunch of events.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think the NHL this year they did the four
Nations face off, and they've also done like skills competitions
in the past basketball. I like all the different skills competitions,
but the dunk contest has been watered down with names
nobody knows, like Mac McClung is the biggest all the
biggest Dunk Contest participant, and he's only there because of

(29:33):
his just freakish ability and ability to go upstairs basically,
and he's become like a viral sensation just because of
his ability to dunk. And so yeah, the game itself,
I think they've spiced it up a little bit with
the ending to the game and that sort of stuff,

(29:56):
but it's still not nearly as similar to an actual game,
a reflection of the sport that is played as much
as baseball is. The other sports really don't do much
of it at all. All Right, like we said, an
All Star game coming up tonight from Truest Park in Atlanta.

(30:17):
Here is how they will line up. If I can
hit the organ correctly, I'll tell you what. If this
is your first time listening to me, I apologize, I'm
struggling today. I'm just I suck today. So we're just
gonna try to figure out a way to get through this.
Leading off for the National League at DH to show
Hey Otani, Ronald Acunya Junior bat's second. He plays left field.

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Coutell Marte will bat third and play second base. Freddie
Freeman is the cleanup hitter and first baseman. His return
to Atlanta, Manny Machado bat's fifth. He plays third base.
Will Smith will bat sixth and catch Kyle Tucker of
the Cubs will be the seventh batter and right fielder.
Francisco Lindor of the New York Mets will bat eighth

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and be the shortstop. Mile Pete Crow Armstrong will bat
ninth in play center. For the National League, starting on
the mound is Paul Schemes. Meanwhile, for the American League,
going to be Glaber Torres and Riley Green, two Detroit
Tigers back to back, leading it things off, followed by
Aaron Judge batting third and playing right fielder to be

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cal Raley, the big dumper and home run Derby champion,
in the fourth cleanup spot and catching. Vlad Guerrero Junior
will bat fifth and play first base. He'll be Ryan
O'Hearn batting sixth. The DH Junior Camanaro will bat seventh
and play third. Hobby Bajez bats eighth and play center.
Jacob Wilson bats ninth. He's the shortstop with Trek Skubel

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on the mound. Those are your starting lineups for Tonight's
All Star Game. Yesterday, Elie de la Cruz met with
the media in Atlanta ahead of the All Star Game.
He was asked about his experience his excitement playing with
players like Otani Lindor Andrew Abbott. Here's what the Reds
All Star shortstop had to say.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
I know there's gonna be a lot of people. I
like playing in front of a lot of people.

Speaker 11 (32:14):
So I'm so excited to he's like the leader. I
suspect him to spend his game and I watched him
a lot when I was a little to were doing
the work.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
I think if we stay together, we can make really rising.
I mean, I'm not surprised.

Speaker 11 (32:31):
Because I have been playing with him since Final League.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
I know what he can do and.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
He's really good.

Speaker 11 (32:39):
I'm not surprised of what he's doing right now. I
just want to enjoy, have fun. And you're here with
those super side. That's a huge.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
Owner to me, and I just hear some have fun.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (32:52):
I don't want to face anybody here, but I think
and then nationally, I mean everybody, I know everybody.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
I just want to have fun with him. I walk
a lot in.

Speaker 11 (33:05):
The off season.

Speaker 7 (33:07):
I put a lot of work.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I mean everything he can do.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Everything he can do, he's amazing.

Speaker 10 (33:13):
He's amazing. I remind him so much and he can
do it all. I learned people plays. They we have
to support each other.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Him the state to let him.

Speaker 11 (33:28):
Always been working hard and some sweels a little cut
from Bess.

Speaker 10 (33:35):
A lot to be here with all those superstars, he said,
he's honing to me. Uh so, I'm enjoying. I just
want to have fun and made something there.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
SUPERSTI well, just want to have fun and meet some
new superstars. That's Ellie day La Cruz yesterday meeting with
the media. Kudos to Ellie again for doing that in
his continual work to try to learn and get better
at English. We've talked about that before. I think that's
really cool and admirable that l he does that and
does a lot of his interviews in English. Really really cool.
Let's go back to the phones five one, three, nine,

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fifteen thirty. Let's go out to Covedale. Mark is there?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
What's up? Mark?

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (34:11):
On Austin.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Hanging in there? Mark?

Speaker 6 (34:16):
All right?

Speaker 7 (34:16):
Good to hear.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Hey.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
I listened to your suggestions about the All Star situation,
the All Star break and so forth, and I really
like what you have said. I think it all makes sense.
And the only question I have would be would that
push back the playoffs then or not?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I would think.

Speaker 12 (34:40):
I would.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
My thing would be, can you give maybe one less
day off or two less days off in that first
half of the season, or or you know, spread it
out a little bit, because they end up playing like
ninety five games before the All Star break, right, maybe
split it up to where it's actually eighty one and
eighty one.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I guess it would. It would.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I guess it would push the playoffs back a little bit,
or maybe they start a little bit earlier. I'm not sure, right,
but I bet I bet the players would be more
willing to have that extra day or two days off
in the middle of the season than they would during
the week.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
I would totally agree to that. That's that's a great idea,
and I think they would love it. You're right, they
want to feel rushed. You know, those who are in
the All Star Game are trying to get there and
to get back and they really don't have much time
to rest. And then the other players that did not
make the All Star Game, they're not getting a whole
lot of time off, right, I mean, they played Sunday,

(35:38):
and you get Monday through Thursday.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
That's that's how you get.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Yeah, you're back at.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It Friday and a lot of those A lot of
those dudes have to report on Thursday because you have
to fly on Friday for a game on Saturday, Thursday
or Friday, so or excuse me, you got to report
on Thursday to fly to a game for Friday.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Yeah on Friday, Yeah, don Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
I love listening to you guys. You guys are great.
Listen every day. I'm gonna sometimes leave a talk back.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
I just haven't done it yet, Okay, but I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right, you should do it. I'll be looking for it. Mark,
thank you, Okay, thanks Austin, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Mark in Covedale there, Yeah, I would bet the players
are willing and able and ready and all that to
uh uh take that extra day off during the All
Star break. Let's try Mike in l A again. Hey Mike,
what's up?

Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (36:30):
Two days in a row. What a knucklehead?

Speaker 6 (36:32):
I am.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
Getting old. You guys might have to ban me soon.
I wouldn't blame you. I hope you feel better. You
don't sound too good.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Actually, yeah, I'm a little low on energy, but I'm trying.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
Yeah, I know you're that's all you can do. But
thanks for the effort. I have an idea about the
All Star Game where you wouldn't have to really mess
with the uh mess with the amount of games and
regular se what's wrong with the idea of having it
on a Fourth of July holiday, because then you're a
little bit closer to the midway points, Like next year

(37:11):
and the year after that Fourth of July the Force
is on a Saturday and a Sunday. Now, Okay, I
don't know how that hampers teams, you know, fireworks things
in certain cities and stuff, and it may not even
be possible, But as far as making it more legit
as far as the mid season classic, I thought that

(37:33):
might be something to think about what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, like the whole idea of moving it, moving the
All Star week up a week in and of itself
and doing it around the holiday. Yeah, I think that's
a good idea. I mean, I think baseball wants to
like sell hats and jerseys and stuff with the American
flag on it. That's a big part of like what
the or what the Fourth of July has become for them.
But it does make sense. It could be like, you know,
Baseball's national holiday, like football has Thanksgiving. Can baseball own

(37:59):
the fourth of July.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
That makes sense.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
Yeah, And you know, I mean baseball is considered America's game.
We know it's not anymore, we know football is, but
still it just seems to fit right in what that
force is what I think anyway, I got to hit
you with a football question. Hit me. I've been hearing
some incredibly high, high high reports on Jared Verse at

(38:22):
the end out of that the Rams picked up from
Florida State last year, and they're saying the guys in
La are saying that he may be you know, two
or three guys behind. I always forget the guys from
Cleveland's name.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's at the end, Milcar.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
Yeah, they're saying that this year they think this Jared
Verse guy is really going to come coming to his own,
even though it was just a rookie last year. You
got any thoughts on Jared Verse?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, I mean I know that a lot of people
around the league are very high on him, were very
impressed this season that he had last year with the
Rams just four and a half sacks, but came out
as a first round pick last year and had I
think thirty six solo tackles, which in and of itself
is pretty impressive for a rookie. He batted a few
balls down, force some fumbles, Like he has the guy

(39:12):
where it's like, Okay, if you get a year or
so in an NFL system and learn how to be
a pro, can quickly turn in to one of the
best pass rushers in football. So yeah, I know people
are really high on him. I'm high on him because
he's a Dayton, Ohio guy, So I appreciate that about him.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna mention that too. Are you
at the point with Hendrickson? I mean, I know we
want him.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
To be here.

Speaker 7 (39:34):
We have to want him, even if we don't like him.
We have to want him to be here. But is
he's starting to develop some animosity you think from the
fans here, from the average guy like you and Needa
goes to work and make a buck and dude's quibbling
over whatever. Do you think he's creating some distance between
the fans.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I think slightly, slightly. I think.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
You know, I said last year that Jamar eventually would
do that if he sits out regular season games and
the Bengals end up losing, and eventually, you know, he
decided to play, and he wasn't very effective in the
first game, and then he was unbelievable after that. If
he's really going to miss all this training camp, then
he better perform at the same level Jamar Chase performed

(40:19):
after missing all of training camp last year, because if not,
you're just hurting the team more than you're helping the team.
I think a lot of people are like wishing the
Bengals to just get it done. But also it's like Trey,
you can finish out this year and then go get paid.
Just show up and let's try to win a Super Bowl.
So I don't know that it's like the pendulum is
swinging all the way towards fans disliking Trey. But I

(40:40):
think there's a few more people than normal that are
on the Bengals side about this.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
Why I am because I'm doing I mean, god, how
much money do you need?

Speaker 12 (40:48):
You know?

Speaker 7 (40:48):
It just gets back to that for average people, he's
just taking in tons of millions of dollars and it's
just you can't relate. You just cannot relate. And one
quick thing, I know you got to go. I'm still
not clear on what our first round picks. Well, what's
the bone here on on on the contract and I
know you explained it, but I forget what you guys said.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
So basically, there's this language in the contract. It's that
it's default language, so that if he does something wrong,
if he gets arrested, if he fails a drug test,
if whatever, gets suspended, commits a penalty in a game,
and gets ejected or hurt somebody, any any number of
things that can trigger the default, which would mean he

(41:32):
doesn't get his guaranteed money in future years. In the past,
it's been you don't get your guaranteed money for that year,
and the Bengals are I've switched it to say, okay,
you don't get your guaranteed money for the rest of
the contract, not just for the single year.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
And that's the sticking point.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
He wants to protect himself if he were to screw
up or if something were to happen to where he's
not going to lose his guaranteed money later on.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
So I know you're on the Bengal side on this,
and I thought I thought you said or did you
say you weren't.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
No, I'm on the Bank. I'm on the Bengals side
on this.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
Yeah, I gotta be, because the guys like burn.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Anyway, Yeah, Mike, thank you for the phone call. And yeah,
I think a lot of people understand you're good. I
think a lot of people understand the like that thought process.
Think of a guy like Rashi Rice, think of a
guy like you know, dudes getting in trouble off the
field or whatever it might be. Now, Schamante Stewart's never
had a single issue off the field, and so I

(42:35):
look at that, look at it that way and say, Okay, well,
if I've never been in trouble, I probably won't get
in trouble. I could probably behave myself. So I don't
get you know, I don't lose millions of dollars that
could potentially be coming to me. The most fair side
on the We've you said this repeatedly, but the thing
that makes the most sense the I guess the best

(42:57):
way to criticize the Bengals where it's just is saying,
why are you choosing to do this now? You just
had disputes with Chasen Higgins, You're in the middle of
one with Hendrickson. This dude was a sixteenth overall pick.
Why are you choosing to do this now? That's fair
that's a very fair, very fair criticism of what the
Bengals have chosen to do. We'll take a break, we'll

(43:19):
come back. Since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati,
Welcome back, Sincy three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty. My name
is Austin Elmore. Joe Danaman. Just a couple of minutes
from right now. But we've got time for another phone
call on the All Star Game. Let's go to Doug
in Price Hill. What's up, Doug?

Speaker 4 (43:41):
What's up, Austin?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
It's on your mind?

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
My problem with the whole thing is it's like all
saturated and everything. Everybody plays everybody. Okay, Okay, I'm old
school back in the day. Okay, you've seen that team.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
You see the team at the All Star Game.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Okay, all the players one time, right, Okay, admitt something
to me anyway, I was all giddy about it. I
just think, I don't know, it's not it's.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
Not like it used to be.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, I feel you for sure, like there used to
be legitimate rivalry between the American League in the National League,
and you didn't see him very often, and it was like,
you know, one league truly thought they were better than
the other, and now it's all kind of about the same.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I hear what you're saying, So, you know, I just you.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Know, I think I think that's taken a lot of
lot of a lot of the thing out.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
Of the whole thing, you know.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Yeah, I just wish it was back to the.

Speaker 13 (44:56):
Way it was.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, I'm with you, Doug. Thank you for the phone call. Yeah,
I mean, it's just the juice maybe not quite as
much there. The competition, maybe not quite as much there.
It also used to determine home field advantage for the
All Star Game, so or for the World Series. Excuse me,
So yeah, I certainly understand that that line of thinking.

(45:19):
All right, we'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll
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Speaker 3 (46:10):
Now, Hi, Jill, how are you?

Speaker 5 (46:12):
I'm excellent, Austin. And I know we all have social media.
Some people do Instagram, some people do Twitter, some people
do Facebook. So the place I typically reside is on Twitter,
and I think in my profile I haven't looked at
it in a minute. I think it says four sky
at Channel nineteen or something like that. I need to

(46:33):
change that to regular contributor on SINCY three point sixty
because over the weekend I was stopped by multiple people
and they came up to me and said, hey, man,
I love listening to you guys on SINCY three sixty.
No one said a word, but everything I do on television,
it was all about this segment right here. So this

(46:55):
is where I now live in Cincinnati. Is my weekly set.
You to thank for that.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, that's that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I actually just got a text from Tom Glareter saying
something similar that happened to him over the weekend, where
people didn't care about what FC Cincinnati did or anything.
They're just like nervous to talk to him because of
since thirty sixty. So that certainly makes us feel good
and we appreciate you making time for us. Let me
start with this big dumper.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Your reaction, yeah, multiple reactions. My first reaction was, didn't
that seem kind of a little bit shady? What happened
last night with the whole one inch to side?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Why did they put so many decimal point numbers and
everything on there? I don't know about that, Joe.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
It was confusing too, because in the bottom line, where
they had the people who advanced the players who advanced
the players who were still on the bubble, they had
Rooker's name highlighted at going through over cal Rowley, and
I couldn't figure out what was happening. It almost felt
like they made that up.

Speaker 8 (48:03):
On the fly.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
And certainly the big story was cal Raley, this guy
who's switch in and catcher who was there with his
dad and his brother who leads the big leagues and
home runs. So you can see the narrative. Maybe that
they were trying to push this guy through and good
on him, right, you give him an inch, he took
a foot, he went through and he was great the
final two rounds, and I thought it was a lot
of fun to watch him hit. But it did seem

(48:27):
kind of interesting the way it worked out in that
I would love to see and I'm sure you'll ask
me about it, and you've been talking about it, so
I'll this fire this off here. I would love to
see them make this almost like the Four Nations face off,
whether it's the Home Run Derby or the All Star Game,
and starting making it maybe America against the World or

(48:50):
America against the Dominican because the Dominican contingent last night
was deep, right, we saw it. It was Ellie, it
was Odio Cruz, it was Camanaro, Fernando and tode Piece
is running around with those guys as well. So I
think that could add some intrigue to the Home Run Derby.
I think it needs to be simplified. My wife was
coming in and out of the kitchen trying to watch it.

(49:10):
My kids were coming in and out of whatever they
were looking at on their phones, trying to figure out
what was going on in the game or in the
home run derby. So I think it needs to be
simplified and also maybe make it so there's a competition,
like a team aspect to it, so people can find
if they don't have a particular player to root for,
maybe a side to root for. And I think the

(49:32):
idea of America against the World or America against the
Dominican might be fun.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
That's a really good idea.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I didn't think about that, but yeah, that could be
something that I know the players would lean into and
maybe get more participation from a guy like Ellie or
someone else. Tatis might be a little bit more interested.
That's a great idea. How about All Star week in
and of itself? You know, I know Jacob Mizeroski from
the Brewers five career games gets selected because there's some

(49:59):
injuries that happens, and then some other guys just chose
not to play. Is how did we get to a point,
Nke with baseball and maybe not as much but with
other sports, to where all Star Games don't matter that
much anymore, or like there's less reason to be there.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Yeah, and baseball is always was the one. Yeah, everybody
still cared about comparatively to the to the NBA and
to the NFL. I'm a little bit on the other
side on Jacob Mitsotsky. I understand there are clauses and
contracts and guys who who who get paid for for
All Star Game appearances, and I take that stuff seriously.

(50:39):
That not messing with a man's money. But at the
same time, as a guy who hasn't seen him pitch
other than some clips on Twitter that pop up on
Daisy does pitch in a showcase game and a game
where you're trying to showcase what Major League Baseball and
its stars are. I'm looking forward to see what this

(51:00):
guy's all about. I haven't seen him pitch live, so
I think it'll be a lot of fun to see
him go. But at the same time, this is a meritocracy.
You get there based on what you earn, and five
stars doesn't get you there, so I can see the
argument to why a guy like him shouldn't be there.
But there's also I will make sure I stop what

(51:20):
I'm doing and watch when he pitches, because I haven't
seen him pitch yet, and to see him pitch against
some of the best will be really cool. To answer
your question, how we've gotten to the point where the
Major League Baseball Game, All Star Game just doesn't matter
as much as it used to. I think a lot
of that, and this has been talked about for decades
now is I think interleague play watered it down a

(51:42):
little bit. It was a lot of fun to see
National League against American League because he never saw these
guys play against each other. So once interleague play showed up,
I think changed that a little bit. But I think
it's just the way we watch the game, the way
we digest the game is different now than we did
thirty forty years ago. I do like the idea of

(52:03):
going back to the uniforms like they're doing tonight, going
back to the normal uniform so Andrew Abbot will be
in his home white for the Cincinnati Reds. I think
that's a great touch. What baseball does better than anybody
is nostalgia, and I think that's part of that nostalgia.
I don't think you can turn the clock all the
way back and make this game feel like it did

(52:25):
when Pete Rose is running over Ray Fossey. We're just
not like that as a consumer of baseball anymore. But
I think showcasing the Stars and doing the small things
that they're doing tonight with the uniforms, and then even
maybe making the All Star Game not American League against
National League. Maybe making it almost feel like a World
Baseball Classic might be something that's worth discussing as well,

(52:48):
that that might add some intrigue to what the game
would look like tonight. So I say good on Major
League Baseball because they've tried to tinker with the home
run derby to make it relevant, to make it interesting.
They've tried to tinker with the All Star Game with
the uniforms and making it count that kind of thing.
So I think it's important to always try to be

(53:08):
better and always try to tink her to make it better.
But sometimes there's only so much you can do, and
it's just the way we watch the game now is different.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
As far as the Reds are concerned, Is it fair
to say that the first quote unquote half prior to
the break was a disappointment.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I don't know you can call it a disappointment. It
felt like a disappointment, I think, but the end result
isn't disappointing. I mean, they're there, They're in a position.
So if you did like a golf analogy. They're definitely
on the first leader board of a playoff spot and
definitely in the hunt as they head to, you know,

(53:47):
the final weekend. They made the cut. I think it's
the best way to put it right. They made the
cut and now they've got a shot to make a
run here on Saturday and Sunday, to continue that golf analogy.
So I wouldn't say it is a disappointment, but it
felt like one, and I think sometimes that that can
shape opinion, and I think sometimes that might might even

(54:08):
matter more to how the fan base looks out of
season is how it felt as opposed to how it
actually is. And certainly, even being two and a half
games back, feels like you're right in it, but you're
also in the mix with what sixteen for three spots,
so it's going to be difficult to try to beat
these teams out for those spots that are left in
the National League. But just the way the season played out,

(54:31):
and certainly the way the Reds performed in the final week,
I think kind of left a bit of a bad
taste in the mouths of the fan base, because, you know,
the argument we had the first two months of the season,
and the first two months of the season I think
kind of shaped the opinion of where we look at
this team right now. This team why the fan base

(54:53):
liked them so much the last two years was because
of the style they played and the moments they made,
and I think that was the personality of this team,
and that didn't show up the first two months of
the season. There were no big moments, and now there
have been some. There have been comebacks against the Padres,

(55:13):
there have been comebacks against the Rockies. Certainly the Chase
Burns Night against the New York Yankees was a moment.
Ellie's had some moments, but those were few and far
between in the first half of the season. And if
we all watched Red Baseball to be entertained and to
hope this team can go to the playoffs, it wasn't

(55:35):
a very entertaining first half and it felt sluggish. It
felt like a team that played their competition whether up
or down, and that was a problem with this team.
So I think that the product felt disappointing, but the
end result wasn't And I know that's kind of hard
for Red fans to kind of figure out where this

(55:55):
team is going to be the final sixty five games
of the year.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Do you feel like they've put themselves in a position
and that they feel the pressure of having to be
aggressive about making the team better between now and the
trade deadline.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Yeah, I think they are going to make the team better,
But are they going to make them better to the
point that satisfies the fan base? And I mean that
by what are they going to address? I think if
you made me put one hundred dollars on what the
Reds are going to do in the next two weeks,
it would likely be adding bullpen arms and seeing that

(56:32):
that can be a difference maker to a team down
a stretch. And don't get me wrong, bullpens are a
weapon now for teams in a playoffs stretch, in a
playoff series that matters, and the Reds do need some
help there. But if you go back to our conversations
at spring training and the Reds off season, what this
team needed is still what they're searching for, and that's

(56:53):
right handed power protection for Elie d la Cruz and
for TJ. Friedel. And it came to pass on Friday
night when when Austin Hayes struck out four times and
grounded into a double play. That was their answer for
a right handed middle of the order backs and it
just hasn't produced. He's had moments, he's been kind of

(57:14):
what I expected. I wish he would have been able
to play more in the first half of the season,
but when he's played, he's playing fine. The problem is
the expectation that comes with hitting clean up behind Elie
de la Cruz heightens the expectation for what he's supposed
to do, and he's not a thirty home run guy.

(57:35):
Charlie Goldsmith and I have talked about this multiple times,
and I like what Charlie said about this. He said
the Reds are going to have to thread the needle
because it's not just trying to acquire major league talent
by trading other major league talent. It's also trying to
acquire major league talent that fits this team budget. And
everybody wants to say, oh, get a Byron Buxton, Oh

(57:57):
get an au heney O Suarez. Even though those two
contracts might not break the bank on paper, that's still
adding payroll to the team. I believe Suarez is on
a fifteen million dollars deal for this season and then
as an expiring contract that's still paying a pretty decent
chunk of change for a team that traded off Alexis

(58:19):
Das to save money. So I think that's the thing
we have to remember at the All Star break, is
that or at the trade deadline, is that if this
team is going to acquire talent, it also has to
come with in the back of the mind that this
team hasn't shown the willingness to take on more payroll,

(58:39):
and that has to be deflating to the hopes of
what this team might add at the All Star at
the trade deadline. That's why I think it'll be more
than likely bullpen arms and not necessarily a game changing
bat for this team at third base or in the outfield.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, similar to twenty twenty three with the acquisition of
Sam mo Well. Talking with Joe Daneman of Fox nineteen,
the Bengals rookies report in just a few days, it's
hard to believe football is just about here. The Bengals
getting training camp underway on the twenty third. Obviously, people
are talking about Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson. What are

(59:19):
you most looking forward to from the offense when it
comes to training camp?

Speaker 5 (59:27):
What I'm most I would say Chase Brown, what's Chase
Brown's next level?

Speaker 7 (59:33):
Because I think.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
Most of the other positions come with answered questions. I
think there's I'll talk about Joe Burrow after I talk
about Chase Brown, But I think we it's it's known
commodities at wide receiver between Jamar and t Certainly is
there is there a next level for andre Yoshibots. Certainly

(59:56):
is you know, another year from Mike GETSICKI what's gonna
happen guard? But I'll be the first to admit watching
offensive line play at training camp isn't necessarily the most
entertaining thing to do or the easiest thing for someone
who hasn't played football at a high level to evaluate.
So while we look at the interior of the offensive

(01:00:16):
line is very important, I'm not sure we're gonna have
a great read on that until we get into gameplay.
But as far as Chase Brown and what the Bangals
have done in the running back room, I think it's
very interesting. You know, Zach Taylor talked in the final
six to eight weeks last year of trying to take
some of the snaps and some of the touches off

(01:00:37):
of Chase Brown to keep him fresh for the backstretch
of the season, but they couldn't take him off the field.
He was he was too good, he was producing too
well for this team to take him out. What's the
next level for him? What kind of numbers can he
put up? And then what kind of roles can you
get from the other guys. The draft kick to samajp

(01:00:58):
rhymes to maybe takes some of the pressure off Chase Brown.
So I think that's a fun story to watch a
training camp and then as the preseason a regular season starts.
As far as Joe Burrow, and we've rehashed many times
the idea of Joe Burrow and what he's done at
training camp, how he's never had just a normal, healthy

(01:01:19):
training camp, whether it's the risk, whether it's the cast,
whether it's the the abdomen when he had his refresh
my memory, get his surgery, take care the appendeck to
me to get that, and then coming back from the
knee injury. And last year it was a pitch camp
right that that Joe Burrow is going to get days
off as he came back from his risk. I'm wondering

(01:01:41):
with Joe, is it going to be full go all
reps one hundred percent the whole training camp or are
they going to sprinkle in some days off to keep
him fresh considering he's likely going to be playing in
some preseason games. So that's the other storyline on offense
I'm looking forward to, is case Brown his usage his

(01:02:03):
next step, and then Joe Burrow's usage in training camp?
Are are they going to give him days off understanding that,
you know, his powers are at a pretty darn high
level at this point and it might not be necessary
to make him go every single day as he approaches
the regular season, given that he's likely going to play

(01:02:24):
some games in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
There was a report from Bud Elliott of twenty four
to seven Sports on the Cover three podcast that Shamar
Stewart has been back in college station fully involved in
workouts with the Texas A and m Aggies, and he
believes Schamar could end up back at Texas A and

(01:02:48):
m What do you make of that, Like, what's your immediate.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Reaction to that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
My immediate reaction is that's not going to happen. I've
learned a long time in this business to never speak
in absolutes and and drop a guarantee that's not going
to happen. Uh, but but that that seems very far fetched.
I think nothing, and you know it. I'll steal a

(01:03:17):
line from Jeremy Rout because because Jeremy's been talking about this,
We've been talking about this on our shows. He says,
nothing gets deals done like deadlines. And I know that
the start of training camp isn't necessarily a hard deadline,
but it feels like a soft deadline for this, for
this to get done. I like what you said in

(01:03:39):
your last segment. Why are the Bengals doing this now
with Shamar Stewart, considering what they just got done with Jamar,
what they got done with te understanding the fight, the
rim with Trey Hendrickson, Why add this extra headache to
their plate. Shamar Stewart came out for a reason. He
felt he was ready to play in the NFLL. He

(01:04:01):
was a first round draft pick. To go back to
college would be a step back for him. I believe
this will get done one way or the other. I
don't think it's long for getting done. That's just a
gut stealing that. That's just reading the history of the
Bengals and then getting their rookies done in amount of

(01:04:22):
time that gives them a chance to get into training
camp and be competitive for a position. Shamar Stewart needs
to get to get on the field that there isn't
much separating him right now from from the pack of
defensive ends that are fighting for playing time. And we
know the names, the Biles, Murphy's, Joseph o Sides, even
Cam sample Uh. These guys are all want Shamar Stewart's apps.

(01:04:44):
They want his job. So he needs to get out
there and play football and and earn himself time in
week one and earn himself as the number two behind
Trey Hendrickson. Could it be done. I think it could
be done. I don't believe it's ever been done before.
But in this age of nil, a guy who hasn't

(01:05:07):
signed an NFL contract, you know, this would This could
be litigated, This could be fought, and I think if
he wanted to, he can probably go back to college
and make that happen. I just I don't like the
look it would be for Shamar Stewart. I think he
left college for a reason to start his professional career,

(01:05:28):
and I think in two weeks or whenever it is,
he'll be signed in competing in training camp, and that's
just a gut feeling. But I saw that report and
it made me think for a minute. But also at
the same time, the knee jerk reaction is, I don't
think that'll happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
I know that you are a big time sportscaster with
a lot of pelts on the wall and trophy cases
full of awards. But what's it like to be sitting
back watching a Netflix documentary and hear your own voice
talk about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
Well, first of all, the media does we just like
to give each other award so we sound important. And
then when you get to be doing this for like
twenty five years, they start giving you lifetime awards just
because you've been around a long time and you're stubbing
enough not to leave this crazy business. I knew it
was coming because the folks, the producers, sent me an
email asking if they could use that clip. And the

(01:06:21):
funny thing is it popped up and I don't even
remember saying what was used on the show. I know
I said it at some point they grabbed it from somewhere,
but I don't exactly even remember saying that. The funny
thing is it might have been written for me by
one of our promo guys at the station. So it's
not even like my original writing or my original spot.

(01:06:43):
I'm just ripping off something that somebody else wrote for me.
In that situation, it was fun because I had some
guys and you know, a lot of I went to
school at Syracuse and a lot of my friends either
live in the Northeast or certainly don't live in the Midwest,
so they don't see a lot of my work. So
whenever something like that happens, I get all my college

(01:07:03):
friends start texting me, which is great. That's aweso because
it rekindles the old Syracuse the old dorm room group
chat here. And so when that popped up, a bunch
of my college friends started laughing at me, which made
my night. So that was fun. It was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Joe, what do you guys have tonight? Know, obviously the
All Star Game coming up? What do you guys have
coming up? As we inch closer to training camp and
the All Star breaking on, just tell people what you
got going on.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Yeah, we're cooking, man, this is this is important. We
just had a big meeting. Boy, our August is going
to be absolutely booked with a lot of work. So
the All Star Games night is on Fox YEP, watch
it there. Tomorrow is a big night of Messy Messi's
in Cincinnati. Tomorrow will be at Equel Stadium for Messi's
second ever game there. And then we just finalized our

(01:07:52):
training camp specials on Thursday July twenty fourth and Thursday
July thirty first, from two to three o'clock, one hour
live from Bengals training Camp, Wow, Fox nineteen special that
will also re air each night at eleven thirty after
our late show. So the twenty fourth, thirty first Tuesday

(01:08:15):
after our Thursday afternoons two to three live Training Camp
special on Fox nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Joe, appreciate the time, best of luck. I'll talk to
you again next week. Tony's not going to be here
next week either, so it'll be just just you and
me again. I look forward to it. Thanks, Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
All right, I've been doing my back exercise. We can
carry it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Let's go, Yes, we can, Joe Daneman, Fox nineteen. Yeah,
a lot of stuff going on, a lot of stuff
going on to the Shamar Stewart thing. We'll get into
that a little bit an hour number three. Surely, surely
he's not going to go back to college, is he?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Oh boy?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Right's wild rightswell, Welcome back into talkbacks since e three
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Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Let's get started. Oh that's not good. Don't leave one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
If it's gonna sound like that's gonna sound like that,
don't leave it.

Speaker 17 (01:10:28):
I was thinking it would be cool if Tony that's
to talk back from vacation. But then thinking through it,
I realized Tony five doesn't even know how to leave
a talk back without Austin his TECHU guru around, man.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Your camino and Rich back in for Dan and the
Dan Eds. We got a guy coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
He's got a show in Cincinnati.

Speaker 14 (01:10:55):
It's a boom right now, Austin Omore, thanks so much
for joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
How are you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
Do we have? Austin? Okay, back after this, we're gonna
talk about why if you can't throw a baseball without
looking like a nerd, you're not an athlete.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
That is pretty spot on.

Speaker 18 (01:11:21):
Hey Audie, Jim, Hey Jim and Milford, Hey, you know
it's slow weak. Can I can I talk about something
that's nonsports related that's very frustrating? Okay, I'm talking about
weed whackers. Oh, and the ones that have at the

(01:11:42):
end that have the spool inside of it. And when
you gotta reload that thing, you gotta have a mechanical
engineering degree to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I couldn't tell you the last time I used a
weed whacker. I certainly I don't know much about reloading
the spools I've not been responsible for yard working quite
some time due to my current stage of life and
maybe never ending stage of life. The way things are going,
so I wish I could help you there, Jim, but
it does sound like an overly complicated process. I hope

(01:12:15):
that you know, you figure it out and you wack
some weeds.

Speaker 18 (01:12:19):
Happy Tuesday, Austin, real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
I want to give a birthday shout out to my dad's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
So happy birthday, Dad, Happy birthday.

Speaker 18 (01:12:25):
I don't think your old man, get off my line.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
Guy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
You know what you like, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
I too kind of feel like the home.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
Run derby is kind of mundane anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 18 (01:12:35):
I wouldn't mind seeing something new, you know, maybe where
the managers can't compete, like a.

Speaker 8 (01:12:40):
Loop and outa spaseball competition.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
I think that might be interesting.

Speaker 18 (01:12:43):
Take care and who they want?

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, I thank you, Kevin, and happy birthday to your dad.
I saw somebody say we should do a good piece
of hitting derby, which is just guys shooting the ball
the other way through the infield. I know, and I
think in the Japanese League in the All Star Game,
they do like a bunt competition. It's like closest to
the pen basically with bunts. I wonder if you could

(01:13:05):
do something like that, maybe some sort of like throws
from the outfield to a specific target, if there's just
a way to spice it up a little bit. But
I think, ultimately, if we care so much about launch
angle and exit velocity and distance, let's take some time
to appreciate the launch angle and exitlocity and distance instead
of just you know, fire and Homer after Homer after Homer.

Speaker 17 (01:13:28):
Austin, I agree with the fan voting thing, but I
think that that's probably how they drive their engagement numbers
on their website up, and that ds to advertising, so
they're not going to get rid of that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yep, you're right. I know I know how the game works. Man,
it's messed up, But I mean everything's advertising now. I mean,
you saw the way that the game was presented last night.
I mean I never understood, and maybe it's just me
being naive, like the impact of advertising on so much.
Don't have to have a good product as long as

(01:14:02):
your product makes money. It took me a long time
to understand that in this business, and it's I think
it's almost overwhelmingly evident in college football, for example, that
the product is suffering and it's not nearly as good
as the actual NFL product, but God leaves it. They
just print money. So you're watching a game for five

(01:14:23):
hours and getting a bunch of ads thrown in your
face and spending money off of it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:27):
Aw I said, what up?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
It's ice ice? Wait too short?

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
I got a lot of stuff to say.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
I agree with you on the All Star break.

Speaker 7 (01:14:34):
Everything you said.

Speaker 19 (01:14:35):
I'm agreeing with you a lot today, especially on the
home run Derby. Get rid of the clock, Enjoy the
home run, enjoy the distance, enjoy watching these guys swing.
I don't want to see them getting war out from
swinging and swinging and swinging. Take your time, get ten outs,
Jack bombs Bengals training camp soon, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
I can't wait for football, so I don't know about
I don't want to have to break down the metrics
of the home run Derby much longer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
But yeah, it's the double dip. Deal with it all right.

Speaker 18 (01:15:09):
I got an idea that will never happen, but for
the All Star Game, every player that's playing must put
the amount of money that they make on a single game.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Into a pot fun and then winner takes all.

Speaker 18 (01:15:29):
So you're basically, you know, if you're making fifteen thousand
dollars per game and you win, you get thirty backs.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
All right, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And then now we're getting some interesting ways to spice
this up a little bit. The more money that's on
the line, the more things might change a little bit
later on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
I feel you.

Speaker 20 (01:15:49):
Hey they're Austin, it's brained in Indianapolis. Brand Well, yeah,
I agree with what you had to say about the
home run derby. I tried to watch it, but I
just couldn't get anything out of it, really, And as
far as you All Star games in either league, I'd
rather watch a grass grow. I believe in the All
Star Game. I'm just not a big fan of it.
I think this is one of the most boringest weeks
of the year, to be honest with you. So that's

(01:16:11):
my thoughts. And yeah, I agree with what you had
to say about having a week off. I think that
could matter in some respects and some it couldn't matter.
Have a blessed day, Brandon, thank you. Yeah, it is
the most boring week of the year. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Thankfully, we at least have a couple of Reds to
watch in tonight's game. Joe mentioned the fact that Messi
and Miami coming to town for FC Cincinnati to hopefully
get off the schneid after that tough loss to Columbus
coming up earlier or middle of this week, and then
before you know it, like I said, just four days
from now, rookies report to training camp and maybe we'll

(01:16:43):
have a little bit of clarity on what's going on
with Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals, and
Trey's been posting some stuff. We'll get into it a
little bit in the third hour. Trey's been posting some
stuff on his Instagram. As you know, it's cryptic Instagram season,
cryptic tweet season, because I don't think that season ever

(01:17:03):
really stops, to be completely honest, but that's what we're
going through right now. Trey has posted some stuff, some
highlights of him playing football and doing that whole thing.
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Report delivered by Postman Law. Injured Postman delivers quick update
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(01:18:41):
shoulder impingement, was placed on the DL or excuse me,
the io Golley on June thirtieth, retroactive to June twenty ninth.
His expected to return is still TBD, but he has
begun playing catch and says he feels good again. A
target date for throwing off a mound remains unknown. That
was updated just a couple of days ago. We did

(01:19:02):
get this news over the weekend that Tyler Callahan suffered
that injured that broken forearm in Atlanta when the Reds
were in Atlanta in May. He was placed on the
sixty day injured list officially on May ninth. He had
a follow up left wrist surgery in New York and
has since returned to Arizona to rehab. He will not

(01:19:23):
return this season, expected to return in twenty twenty six.
He had already had surgery in May, like right after
it happened, to repair two of those broken bones, but
he had to have the follow up left wrist surgery
that happened recently. He will not return at all this season.
Let me see if there's an update here on Rhet Louder.

(01:19:46):
Last update on Reht Louder was July tenth. He is
still rehabbing from the oblique strain in goodyear Arizona, but
has not yet been able to do more advanced baseball activity.
He has listed as officially TBD on expected to return.
As far as the team the Reds are going to

(01:20:08):
be facing when they come out of the All Star break,
the New York Mets some notable injuries for them. Jesse
Winker is dealing with lower back inflammation. He was placed
on the injured list on July eleventh. That is the
ten day injured list, so it doesn't look like he's
going to be available this weekend at all, so the
Reds won't have to face their former guy. They're also

(01:20:30):
another one of their outfielders, Starling Marte, is dealing with
right knee soreness. He is placed on the ten day
injured list on July seventh. He is not expected to
return until late July, but the Mets have apparently received
an encouraging MRI on that. So other than that, Mets
relatively healthy. A couple of pitching injuries as well. So

(01:20:51):
that is today's Postman Law Injury Report delivered by Postman
Law Injured Call eight four to four. Postman, All right,
that is that we'll take a break, we'll come back.
I saw something that Paul Dayner Junior wrote today the
Bengals fans survey, and it kind of coincided with one

(01:21:15):
of our poll questions from last week, and I was
a little bit surprised by the response by the fans
on this survey. I'll run that by your phone lines
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That's all coming up. This is since E three to

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N C three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati
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Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Welcome back since E three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty,
beginning of the transition into the Bengals conversation for the
final hour of the show. By the way, less than
an hour from right now, Moegger for quick hits and
a preview of what's coming up this afternoon on the
Moegger Show. Mo will be with us from three to

(01:22:14):
six this afternoon right here on ESPN fifteen thirty. Looking
forward to talking with Mo. And I would assume MO
is going to be talking with Paul Daanner Junior from
The Athletic. Paul does the yearly Bengals fan survey, and
I'm not going to steal all the thunder from MO
and their show coming up in his conversation with Paul,

(01:22:36):
but there was two questions that kind of stood out
to me based off the response. If you remember last week,
we did a poll question one of our Revivefitnessystems dot
com pole questions, and it was which group are you
more concerned about? The defensive line or the offensive line?
And I kind of took the stance that I think
the potential of the defensive line, if it's met and

(01:23:00):
one is healthy, could be more of a strength than
people realize, and that I was a little bit more
skeptical of the Bengals offensive line because of the changes,
and I was a little bit surprised how heavily it
skewed towards the defensive line. Well, Paul asked a similar question,
what position group concerns you the most? Overwhelmingly, fifty nine

(01:23:25):
percent of his respondents said the defensive line, just twenty
one percent said the offensive line, eight percent said safety,
and six percent said cornerback. Now, what I'm fascinated with
is the fact that defensive line got such a big number,

(01:23:48):
by far the leading number, and the concern about the
linebackers actually went down. Last year was three point one
percent of people were concerned with the linebackers, just half
percent this year. I think most people believe the departure
of Jermaine Pratt in a healthy Logan Wilson and the
addition of two linebackers in the draft is going to

(01:24:10):
be a net positive. But keep in mind they also
lost a keen Davis Gaither who was a big part
of this locker room and a special teams guy and
a good pass coverage linebacker, and they are replacing them
with Orrin Burkes, of course, who more of a run stopper,
Barrett Carter, Demetriotz Night Junior could be a little bit
more sidelined to sideline, and prior to his injury last year,

(01:24:31):
Logan Wilson was one of the better linebackers in football,
so I think that's still there's some room there. I'm
a little bit surprised that the concern level went down
as much as it is as much as it did,
but most notably last year, twenty two percent of people
were most concerned with the Bengals offensive line. That number
has actually gone down this year.

Speaker 8 (01:24:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Is that indicative of the fact that they fired Frank
Pollack and hired Scott Peters and Amarius Mems look to
be the part maybe, or is it indicative of the
fact that the defensive line was a complete another train wreck.
I think that might be what it is more than
anything else, that the defensive line was a disaster. And
now as we are a week away from training camp

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just under there's still not a whole lot of solutions
to the problem that is the defensive line. And now
with this report surfacing about Shamar Stewart back in College station,
what exactly that could mean The Bengals we know have
at least been talking to Trey Hendrickson again, not that

(01:25:36):
those conversations have really gone anywhere. But I look at
this team, I look at these positions of concern, I
think about what they could be, think about what they
probably are. I think about them on the low end,
and I wonder, twelve wins is that really gonna happen?

(01:25:58):
Is Joe Burrow going to be Superman again? Are there
going to be marginal improvements anywhere that make you feel
like this team can overcome so many deficiencies because I
think defensive line is a deficiency. I think offensive line
is a deficiency. I think safety is a deficiency. And cornerback.
Here's the other thing. In Paul's survey last year, twenty

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nine percent of the respondents were most concerned about cornerback.
This year at six twenty nine percent to six percent
are people that confident despite a terrible season from Cam Taylor,
britt An up and down, and not that great season
from DJ Turner. Dax Hill lost to an ACL, Josh

(01:26:43):
Newton couldn't figure out really how to cover NFL wide
receivers and still has a lot of room to grow.
Alan George and those type of Marco Wilson, those type
of players played snaps last year. I mean, is that
more of Is that less of a concern then the
defensive line than the offensive line?

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
The problem is you start looking at the line back,
you start looking at the different position groups, and you wonder,
there might be a few too many holes to fill here.
How many spots can Joe Burrow plug up and prevent
water from from filling up this boat?

Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Closer we get to training camp. The more I'm getting
concerned and I don't like that idea. More on that
later on, including what we're going to talk about next,
which is Shamar Stewart new report out there today. What
could that possibly mean for the Bengals. That's coming up next.
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Hi, Hello, welcome in our number three of Sincy three
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being here and making today and this show a part
of your day. Austin Elmore with you. Tony out the
rest of this week. He's also out Monday and Tuesday
of next week, so it's just you and I between
now and then.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Bear with me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Dealing with a bit of a sore throat stuff he
knows going on to I think my weekend finally caught
up to me. I went to country concert over the
weekend in Fort Larmie, Ohio. I don't know if you're
aware of that. I don't know if you've ever been
to such. They normally go every year on on Saturday.
And I just woke up this morning and I didn't

(01:28:57):
even sing that much. I mean, I sung a little bit,
you know. I try to protect the voice these days
because I knew I have to use it. And for
whatever reason, I woke up this morning, maybe after the
Solo show yesterday, and I've just been having some problems
with the throat and with the nose, And so I
apologize for that and hopefully feel a little bit better tomorrow.
In case you missed it, last night, Cal Raley of

(01:29:18):
the Seattle Mariners won the Major League Baseball Home Run
Derby at Truest Park in Atlanta. Tonight at Truest Park,
it is the Major League Baseball All Star Game. First
pitch coming up eight o'clock tonight. The red Carpet show
is happening right now at the battery outside the Ballpark
in Atlanta. We'll keep an eye out for Ellie de

(01:29:39):
la Cruz, so I'm sure we'll be styling and profiling,
as they say already. Photos out there of Andrew Abbott,
the inside of his suit jacket is really cool. He's
got pictures of him and his family and him as
a young baseball player, as a little kid. He's got
the All Star Game logo. He's got the photo of
him and Ellie when they played together in the All

(01:30:00):
Star Futures Game at Dodger Stadium a few years ago.
So really cool stuff from Andrew Abbott as they are
soaking it all in in Atlanta tonight. By the way,
over the last fifteen minutes or so, the Kansas City
Chiefs have agreed to a four year, ninety four million
dollar contract extension with seventy million dollars guaranteed with their

(01:30:21):
starting guard, Trey Smith. Trey Smith becomes the highest paid
guard in the National League or the National Football League,
and they were able to avoid using the franchise tag
on him. So the Chiefs continue to invest in their
offensive line and their protections of Patrick Mahomes the highest

(01:30:43):
guarantees given to guards right now. Tray Smith now leads
everybody at seventy million, Robert Hunt right behind him at
sixty three million, and Chris Lindstrom at sixty two point
seven million after that, So the Chiefs get a little
bit stronger as far as that's can concerned with Tray Smith,
Creed Humphrey, and Creed Humphrey as well. The Chiefs now

(01:31:05):
have the NFL's highest paid guard and center, highest paid guard,
highest paid Center. Keep in mind the center Creed Humphrey,
he already has fifty million dollars guaranteed, so one hundred
and twenty million guaranteed between the two of them there
to protect Patrick mahomes. Phone lines are open five one, three, seven,

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of ten outs and that's it? Fifty percent say yes,
thirty six percent say they don't care at all, and
twelve percent say no. Greg tweets at me and says
pretty sure we have a linebacker to sign. Also, haven't
heard a word on him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Demetrius Knight Junior, the Bengals second round pick out of
South Carolina, has yet to sign his deal. Thirty of
the thirty two second round picks have not signed their contracts.
This is a part of a grander plan where a
lot of these guys are trying to get fully guaranteed money.
I believe the first two picks of the second round

(01:32:24):
already got fully guaranteed deals, and now the other thirty
picks want fully guaranteed deals, and I don't know if
that's going to happen. That includes a guy like Demetrius
Knight Junior. Now, the difference between Demetrius Knight Junior and
Shamar Stewart is that Demetrius Knight Junior signed his practice waiver.
It has at least been practicing now. Is he gonna
practice a training camp?

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Maybe that's an entirely different story. Hopefully the Bengals can
figure something out. But Greg is right, that's another issue.
It's another rookie that you're going to be counting on
that right now isn't signed now? Is that a Bengals problem,
maybe not so much, but you know the group of
second round picks trying to get that guaranteed money, well,

(01:33:05):
they took a bit of a blow over the weekend
when Quinn Shawn Jenkins, the former Ohio state running back
who was drafted by Cleveland, got in trouble with a
domestic violence accusation and he was arrested for it. And
now obviously the legal process is still playing out, but
that's the type of stuff we're talking about with the
fault language, with guaranteed contracts, fully guaranteed this, that and

(01:33:26):
the others. That's the sort of stuff that teams are
trying to avoid to protect themselves in the back end.
So that brings me to Shamar Stewart and the report
about Shamar Stewart. We know that Stuart still hasn't signed
his rookie contract. We know that in four days rookies

(01:33:47):
are supposed to report to training camp. And I was
reading on eight of Z Sports this morning, John Sheeran
was talking about Shamar Stewart and John's going to join
us on the show tomorrow at two pm to talk
about this. There was a man by the name of
Bud Elliott from twenty four to seven Sports, and he

(01:34:09):
reported that Shamar Stewart has returned to College Station Texas
and been practicing with his college team, the Texas A
and m Aggie's quote, a guy who has had some
good Texas A and M stuff in the past. He
hit me, He's like, hey, Shamar might end up back
here dot dot dot. He's been at college station. He's

(01:34:32):
fully involved in workouts. This is what Bud Elliott said
on the Cover three podcast. Let's go back to that
last part. He's been fully involved in workouts. The next
part quote, he could try to come back and play
again this season and go into the draft again next year.

(01:34:54):
That's interesting. If he were to do that, I don't
believe he'd be a to play. He could forego the
twenty twenty five season entirely and re enter the draft
and the Bengals would not be able to pick him,
but he would have to sacrifice an entire year of playing,

(01:35:15):
and who knows, he'd probably lose a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
If he could go back to college. I think he
would essentially have to take the NCAA and the NFL
to court to make that happen. We'll try to get
some clarification if there's even a path for that to happen.
But you would imagine the NFL doesn't want that sort
of thing to happen. But the idea that he's being

(01:35:41):
quote fully involved in summer workouts with Texas A and
M is puzzling to me. I guess you could just
be training to get ready for an NFL season, But
if you are going to go practice with a college
football team, why could you practice with your NFL team

(01:36:03):
during mini camp? Again, going back to the language in
the injury waiver, well, you don't have an injury waiver
at all if you get hurt doing something at Texas
A and M. So that's an asinine decision as far
as I'm concerned. Why would you risk the injury at
all working out for somebody else if this is all

(01:36:27):
about risk and about taking care of your money. I
get you got to train, but if you're going to train,
you train on your own. You don't go training at
Texas A and M and working out with the team,
and I guess opening the door for a potential return.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
To Texas A and M. I don't think that's likely.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
And we heard Joe Danaman say that's probably not going
to happen, almost certainly not going to happen. But again,
you look around and you say, golly, can we just
stop talking talking about this?

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
I'm exhausted with talking about it too, And be honest,
it feels like it's only just begun because we still
have four days until rookies report. You look around at
the way the Bengals have chosen to do business over
and over and over again, and it goes back to
picking your battles, knowing when you should and when you shouldn't.

(01:37:26):
That applies to Hendrickson, that applies to Stuart, That applies
to any number of guys over the course of their history.
And I heard this from TJ Houshman's ada. TJ has
been on The Nightcap Show, which is normally a podcast
with Chad Ocho Cinco and Shannon Sharp and I don't

(01:37:46):
know if they've been on their summer sabbatical or what,
but TJ has been filling in on the show with
another former Bengal, James Harrison, and TJ talked about his
negotiation progress process with the Bengals. Now, this was like
two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, ish going

(01:38:06):
into two thousand and nine. This was the conversation on
the Nightcap podcast that TJ shared about his negotiations with
the Bengals.

Speaker 9 (01:38:16):
When I left the Bengals, I had a certain number
in my mind, Like when you see yourself here and
the team sees you here, it starts to get a
little personal. I know when I left the Bengals, it
was strictly a financial decision. I'm getting frustrated about, like,
y'all really offering me this. I was underpaid the last
three years. And then the Bengals turnaround. They signed Labernius

(01:38:38):
Coles first, got rid of him after one year. Next
year they signed Antonio Bryant.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
That's what it was.

Speaker 9 (01:38:43):
So those two seasons was twenty four million in guaranteed
money that they gave to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Both of them.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
If they would have given that to me, I would
have walked.

Speaker 9 (01:38:51):
From California to Cincinnati to sign That straight up. Kind
of pisses you off because you're calling your agent like, hey,
what's going on? They ad this number? You think that
gonna get up, I don't know. Then he call you
a couple days later. You see that, you'd be like yeah, yeah, yeah,
something aboud happened, what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
Same?

Speaker 9 (01:39:06):
So then you started to get frustrated. Man, don't even
take their calls no more fucking we leaving like it starts.

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
To make you rangy.

Speaker 9 (01:39:12):
So then when you releave, you happy that you resigned,
but you still had that animosity over the months of
them vs.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
And it down.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
I know they regret that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
So that's TJ talking about his experience. And that was
fifteen years ago, thirteen, twelve, thirteen, whatever, how many years ago?
Almost twenty years ago. God, I'm getting old. But still
we've heard that conversation before. We've heard we've we've seen
this movie over and over and over and over again before.

(01:39:45):
And the Bengals it's like, well, if they would have
just given TJ that money, he probably would have been
just as productive as Lavernius Coles and Antonio Bryant were
in seasons that were in two thousand and nine, at
least good for the Bengals in twenty ten not as much.
But that's the sort of thing that you wonder, Okay,

(01:40:07):
when are the Bengals going to learn from this? When
are you going to learn that maybe it's not worth
it to just keep doing this over and over and
over again, think about what they could have gotten Jesse Bates.
For now, You've got Geno Stone and you had to
convince him to take a pay cut, and you wasted
a draft pick on Dax Hill as a safety. Maybe
not ultimately wasted on him as a player, but as

(01:40:30):
a safety, you wasted that pick. Jordan Battle has been
up and down. I think you're still high on him,
but again, you keep trying to plug holes and you're
creating more. At what point do the Bengals learn from
the mistake and at what point does it feel like
winning is the ultimate priority and focusing on football is

(01:40:56):
the ultimate priority, Because to me, it's still like there's
a disconnect there and the Bengals have the ability to
maybe clean this thing up going into training camp. If
it were me, and in the next contract I negotiate
will be my first. But if it were me, I

(01:41:19):
would try to get Trey Hendrickson to agree to a deal,
and I'd be willing to give him the extra year
if he can accept some more incentives, which I know
he doesn't want, and if he can put the default
language that we're trying to put into Shamar Stewart's contract
in his contract Therefore, the big argument for Trey Hendrickson,

(01:41:41):
or the big argument for Samar Stewart, isn't that he's
the guinea pig or setting a precedent. So Trey would
get the long term stability that he wants, wouldn't worry
about off field stuff, and would have the default language
and kind of pressure Schamar Stewart into doing the right thing. Now,
I understand that's complicated, and maybe you would turn those

(01:42:05):
two against each other, but business is business. I don't
know why Trey's posting a bunch of Bengal stuff on
his Instagram. I don't know why, as you know Bible
verses which you're talking about being strong. I don't know
exactly why or what his angle is or the message
he's trying to send there is. But I don't want

(01:42:29):
another distraction going into training camp because at some point
I would like the focus to be on football. And
you go back to that article that Paul Dayner Junior
wrote about the Bengals fan survey and the confidence level
in the defensive line and offensive line that pales in

(01:42:50):
comparison to the confidence level in the organization as a whole.
It's been really good for the last couple of years.
But now the vast majority of people fans in surveys
like this and across the Hooday nation, if you will,

(01:43:12):
believe that the Bengals are either not going in the
right direction or stuck going nowhere, and very few feel
like they actually are going in the right direction. That's
not where you want to be with the best quarterback
on the planet behind center. There's a lot of different
ways We've tried to talk about this and explain it,

(01:43:35):
but I think as we get closer to training campaign.
You know, I heard, you know, Joe said about deals
get done because of deadlines, and deadlines find a way
to make stuff across the finish line. He's right, But
to me, it almost feels like the pressure is now
shifted back to the Bengals to say, all right, let's
just get this stuff done.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Let's just move on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Oh, by the way, that whole stadium situation that's not
done yet. Everybody released these big statements about how excited
everybody was in the future and this, that and the
other that's not done yet, supposed to be done by August. Right,

(01:44:19):
that's not done yet. So that's another issue. It's just
exhausting to keep saying the same things over and over
and over again. No matter how many different ways you
try to explain it, no matter how many different angles
you try to get to, it comes down to both

(01:44:43):
sides feeling greedy and stubborn and little to no interest
from either side in a middle ground. That puts football
at the top of the priority list, and it's the
fans who have to suffer for that, and that's never

(01:45:04):
a position you want to be in. We'll take a break,
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Now Sincy three sixty is back on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Since three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty, Welcome back. I'm Austin
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(01:45:59):
Rocko Mill, College hoops bracketologists and analyst with bracketeer dot
Org says that Georgia and Cincinnati are finalizing an agreement
to play a neutral site game on December thirteenth inside
the State Farm Center in Atlanta as part of twenty
twenty five holiday hoops giving. According to multiple sources, so

(01:46:25):
you see in Georgia appear to be clashing down in
Atlanta on December thirteenth. We will keep you posted on that.
Bengals is the topic of conversation here in our number
three talking about Shamar Stewart talking about where they stand
going into the beginning of training camp next week. And
phone lines are open. Rob is in Taylor Mill. He

(01:46:48):
wants to chime in, Rob, what's on your mind?

Speaker 12 (01:46:52):
Hey Austin, how's going to say? Afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
I'm hanging in there. Man, good to hear your voice.

Speaker 12 (01:46:57):
Thanks for taking my call. There's nothing more than I
want to see. I've been a football fan for the
Bengals since I was a kid. My mom and dad
worked the stadiums when I was a kid, selling the
food up and down the steps. Dad caught Anthony Menez
his wristband in the FC Championship. I mean, Bengals fan
threw and through and I want nothing more than a

(01:47:20):
super Bowl for our city and area.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
And Mike Brown, you know, I know he loves his
dad and he really wants to win.

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
But my thing is.

Speaker 12 (01:47:33):
He's not gonna be here forever. Who's going to take
over the team. And I'm hoping, like you said, I'm
thinking that it's probably gonna be Katie. I would think,
at least the head at the top and just doing
like what you said. I mean, think of all the
players that we.

Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
Never really.

Speaker 12 (01:47:54):
Constantly get contracts to. I mean I think recently Joe
Burrow he got care it took him minute, Jamar Chase
had to run around. I think Carris he's probably got
the best contract. I mean, he's been fortunate to land
like he did start and got a new contract every year.
He's happy. But I don't think Chad Johnson had any

(01:48:15):
issues with getting the contract extensions. But you heard about
TJ and then you look at Whitworth, you look at Zeitler.
I mean, is that philosophy gonna change with Katie? I
think it will, just because I think she's more I
guess out going as far as with the fans, and

(01:48:38):
she's got a pulse on what the fans want, and
our fans want our good players to stay here. Quit
messing around with these contracts and nitpicking and like you said,
pick your battles.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Yeah, I think, and Rob, thank you for the phone call.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 21 (01:48:54):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
You know, the next evolution of the Bengals is understanding
how sometimes they hurt themselves and realizing, wait a minute,
we actually can change the way we do business and
it helps us do business. And the Bengals have often
done things that end up becoming mainstream.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
And you know this.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
When it comes to contracts and negotiations and guaranteed money,
they've been a little bit behind. And part of what
they've done with Jamar and Tea, and part of what
in a way the CBA has forced them to do
with first round picks is excuse me, I'm so sorry,
is put that guaranteed money in beyond year one. They're

(01:49:45):
starting to do it like it's becoming a thing that
they've done more frequently now than at any point in
their history. And what they're trying to do is protect
themselves on the back end from doing that, why they
chose now to do it with Shamar Stewart. That's a
totally fair criticism and it's a head scratcher, and I

(01:50:05):
don't understand why.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
But also.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
They did the right thing when it comes to Trey
Hendrickson on extending him and taking caring of him and
giving him a raise and doing it early. But this
is the flip side of that coin is if you
give a guy an extension, you give a guy more
money and he continues to perform, He's going to keep
asking for more and more and more, and the Bengals
eventually have a limit to say a right, well, we're

(01:50:31):
not going to do this anymore. We believe in this
and that and however you want to do, but we're
not going to give you a deal longer than a year,
but will continue to try to take care of you
and we want you as a part of this team.
And then eventually it becomes not good enough for the Bengals.
So there's two sides to it of like, yes, they're
finally doing what they're supposed to be doing, it should

(01:50:51):
have been doing all along, but nobody wants to be
a guinea pig guinea pigs don't want to be guinea pigs,
but they're guinea pigs. And that's what Shamar Stewart dealing with.
And then Trey is looking for this long term peace
of mind and comfort that he keeps talking about, and
yet the Bengals have already taken care of him over

(01:51:14):
and over again. There comes a point for both and
it's just kind of two different paths going in two
different directions. But I do think, and I've said this
before and I'll repeat myself again, the Bengals care more
about the way they are perceived externally than at any
point in the history of the franchise. They also are

(01:51:36):
more dialed in financially and how to improve the value
and the right way to do business within the organization
than they have been at any point in their history.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
That's just a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Like they are crunching the numbers, they are making sure
every penny is in the right spot, and every T
is crossed and I is dotted. Very cleaned up. The
organization's cleaned up because they understand the enormity of this
era of Bengals football, and I think they understand the
evolution that is required in being a competitive franchise moving forward.

(01:52:15):
Sometimes it comes with situations like this, It comes with
some difficult, uncomfortable negotiations. By the way, talking about Shamar
Stewart just so it's fair, because you know, we're gonna
have John Sheeran on tomorrow and he was the one
who kind of wrote about this.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
I love John.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
John is one of my favorite guests that we have on.
He's hilarious, one of my favorite people to follow, and
I just love talking about the Bengals with him. And
he's talking about how and quoted this guy Bud Elliott
in his report Bud Elliott from twenty four to seven
Sports that Shamar Stewart has been at college station and
says quote, he's been fully involved in workouts.

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Kelsey Conway of The Inquirer has pushed back on that.
She says in a tweet, clear this up for everyone.
Shamar Stewart lives in Texas when he's not in Cincinnati.
I can confirm from a source that he is training
at A and M by himself using their facilities. Very
common to get ready for the upcoming NFL season, not

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with the Texas A and M team carry on.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
So there you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Now again and she's right. A guy going to his
alma mater to work out is very very normal. You'll
see that at you see sometimes, and I'm sure you're
going to see that you see more often now that
they've got the indoor practice facility. You see that Ohio State. Hell,
Joe Burrow was at Ohio State working out not that
long ago. You'll see that all the time. But for

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whatever reason, this quote about he's been fully involved in workouts,
I'm just I'm gonna put a little flag on that
and pay attention to it because of the way it's
presented that he could try to come back and play
who knows who exactly this is coming from in the
you know, accuracy of it, but it's noteworthy that this

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is one of his nuclear options and he is there.
Also for a guy who's been a majority of his
youth in Florida. You know, I think some people were
surprised to see maybe he's back in Texas. Not saying
that Kelsey's wrong, not saying that the guy who's reporting
this is right, but I think it's worth covering all

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sides of this. And also it's July fifteenth, and there
is nothing going on since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Thirty, fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Welcome back since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty.
About twenty five minutes left in the show. We'll talk
to Moegar about ten minutes from right now, but breaking
dr sharing the break. Congratulations are in order to Sauce Gardner.
The UC legend has just signed a contract extension with

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the New York Jets. It is a four year, one
hundred and twenty point four million dollar deal averaging thirty
point one per year for Sauce Gardener and the New
York Jets, making him the highest paid cornerback in NFL history.
The Jets just got a deal done yesterday with Garrett

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Wilson on a four year, one hundred and thirty million
dollar extension. Sauce gets four years, one hundred and twenty
million dollars. He announced it on Twitter, saying, the deal
is done. This is only the beginning. I appreciate the
Jets organization for believing in me, my teammates, for the blood,
sweat and tears we put in in Jets Nation. I

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appreciate y'all supporting me. Thank you God. So congratulations to
Sauce a UC legend gets paid in the National Football
League with the Jets. An update on our Revivefitnessystems dot
Com pole question, should the home run Derby go back
to its original format of ten outs?

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
And that's it?

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Fifty six percent say yes, thirty three percent say I
don't care, ten percent say no on the home run Derby.
I also wanted to bring this to you because you
know we're gonna be Bengals heavy tomorrow. We'll touch on
obviously the All Star Game. We're gonna talk to John
Shearing at two pm, but focus a lot on the

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Bengals and a little bit of FC Cincinnati with MESSI
coming to town and others. And there was a really
good conversation between Sam Hubbard and Chris Collinsworth over at
Pro Football Focus, and there's some really good stuff in
that conversation, and I wanted to play for you a
clip about Sam and him. I'm gonna bring more of
this to you tomorrow, but this is about a minute

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of Sam Hubbard talking about retirement and knowing it was
time when he decided on doing it, and good stuff
here from Sam Hubbard with Chris Collinsworth.

Speaker 21 (01:57:05):
Yeah, well, I just turned thirty last week. But I
had a great seven years with the Bengals, and I
feel like I gave everything I had to the team
and the city. And you know, I was coming down
to training camp this past year and you know, those
injuries kind of build up and you're, you know, realizing
that there could be an end in sight. And I
made that decision kind of early in the season with

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my friends and family that this would be my last season.
I could really enjoy it, and you know, caught a
touchdown on my last pass at some memorable moments, but ultimately,
I wanted to stay in Cincinnati and build my legacy here.
You know, it's not often you get drafted to your
hometown and have an opportunity to do foundation work and

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all the people have supported you throughout your life to
come to your games. And I didn't just want to
go to another city and start all over. So the
opportunity to you know, hanging up as a Bengal once
and forever was something I didn't want to let go.
And I felt like it was my time. And I'm
excited about the future prospects of whatever comes my way.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Yeah, and I'm sure there will be plenty that comes
his way and obviously continuing to doing continuing to be
doing great stuff in the Cincinnati community. Is Sam Hubbard
and can't help but wonder if he'll be involved in
some way, shape or form with the Bengals this year.
If there's something that he's doing or is a part

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of I would be curious to know. And you know,
the other thing too, kind of on the topic of
the defensive line that we've talked about this year and
stuff about Shamar Stewart and all that. It's like, you know,
I remember when Sam retired, and I believe it was
at the Super Bowl, Trey Hendrickson talked about wanting to
step in and be the leader that the team needed

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with Sam being gone. It might have been I forget
exactly when Sam retired. It might have been closer to March.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Either way, Trey talked about that and wanting to be
that leader, to step into that role, to be that guy,
and I wonder who really can be that guy. Tony
and I had this conversation a little bit last week.
From a defensive line standpoint, BJ Hill is the veteran.

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He's the guy, been around the block, been to the
Super Bowl. He's one of those dudes, right, But from
a defensive end standpoint, who do you really have? And
isn't it easier to be that type of leader if
the leader is your best player in Trey Henderson. I
also think it's noteworthy that in Trey's career he's never

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been voted a team captain. Talked about this a little
bit too. The Bengals lost a lot of captains on
their defense. The Keem Davis, Gaither, Von Bell, Sam Hubbard,
Mike Hilton veteran leadership. I'm fascinated to see who's going
to be the one that emerges or who are going

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to be the guys that emerge as the potential leaders
on the Bengals defense this year. That's gonna be a
fun game to play and watch out for during training camp.
We'll take a break, we'll come back when we do.
Mo Eger is in the building. The Moeger Show is
from three to six this afternoon. We'll talk with mo

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about what he's got coming up and a myriad of
other topics. For quick Hitch that's next. This is since
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Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
In fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. It's time for since
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Speaker 5 (02:00:47):
Hits on ESPN.

Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
I think we found mo.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
He's in the studio here three to six this afternoon
for the mo Eger Radio show. Hi Mo, how are
you man?

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
I'm awesome. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
I'm fired up to be talking with you. I want
to know what you thought of the home run Derby
last night.

Speaker 13 (02:01:03):
I didn't watch the last maybe seventy five minutes of
it because you fell asleep.

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
No, I didn't fall asleep.

Speaker 13 (02:01:09):
Uh So last night watching the home Run Derby reminded
me of the one time I went camping.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
Okay, I'll explain it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Four oh five. Did you watch the main broadcast? Did
you watch the stat cast?

Speaker 13 (02:01:23):
I watched mostly the main broadcast. I chimed in or
I checked in a little bit with the stat cast.
I didn't make it past round one.

Speaker 3 (02:01:34):
Will you be.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
Refunding the bets for those of us who followed your
matt Olsen? Well, I got it halfway right, you did?

Speaker 5 (02:01:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (02:01:45):
I said a matt Olsen and cal Raley final and
matt Olsen did not make it. No, I'm not nobody
spent money with me, so why would I be refunding
anything When you make a wager it can go wrong
when you you made a wager on your own volision.
I just old you what I was gonna do, and
what I did obviously did not work. So no, there
will be no refunds. But yeah, the home run derby

(02:02:07):
last night ESPN totally screwed it up, and we'll spend
some time on it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
If your nickname was Big Dumper, would.

Speaker 5 (02:02:13):
You like that?

Speaker 13 (02:02:15):
I think I'd be okay with it. Yeah, okay, I
think I'd be okay with it, right. I mean, look,
you could be caught a lot of other things. I
think I'd be okay with Big Dumper. Okay, I'm just curious.

Speaker 3 (02:02:25):
What I would want to know. Is my wife or
future wife gonna be okay with Big Dumper? I would think?
And then his brother last night was catching him? Is
he little Dumper?

Speaker 16 (02:02:34):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
It was interesting his brother is younger than him. Yeah,
but he's the junior after his father. Is that uncommon
I think for the junior or the youngest to the junior,
I guess, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (02:02:52):
Yeah, so my brother is not a junior, but my brother,
who's thirteen years younger than me, is named after my dad.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Okay, so maybe it's not all that common maybe just
doesn't have the junior on it. I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Okay, all right, these are the things we're thinking about.
How would you change the All Star week if at all? Okay,
here's what I would do.

Speaker 13 (02:03:11):
Futures Game would have been last night, Home Run Derby
would be tonight. All Star Game would be tonight. Draft
would be tomorrow. I'm sorry, let me let me backtrack,
because I screwed this up. Futures Game would be Monday, Yes,
Home Run Derby would be Tuesday. All Star Game would
be Wednesday, because then you'd have one more day in
between the end of the first half, so more deserving
pitchers could appear in the game. And that way you

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wouldn't have a guy who's made five Big League appearances.

Speaker 3 (02:03:36):
In the All Star Game.

Speaker 13 (02:03:37):
Thursday night and Friday afternoon would be the Draft, and
that on Friday night in primetime, Baseball would do its
Hall of Fame induction and the players would get a
week off, and you wouldn't have the Futures Game opposite
Major League Baseball games, and you wouldn't have the Hall
of Fame induction opposite Major League Baseball game. Dave Parker

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is going into the Hall of Fame on July twenty seventh,
while the Reds and Pirates are both playing.

Speaker 3 (02:04:02):
That makes absolutely no sense.

Speaker 13 (02:04:04):
So you would have like this week where you started
the week by celebrating the Sports Future Futures Game and
it would be a standalone event on Monday, and you
could still have the Celebrities Softball game where most of
the people really aren't that famous. You could still do
that and then ramp up midweek All Star Game. More
people would be able to play in it. Plus those

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All Stars would still get Thursday off. No game on Friday.
Obviously owners would have to give up a Friday home date,
but you could work around that. But you would start
the week by celebrating your future. You would end the
week by honoring your heroes. Yes, the Hall of Fame
induction ceremony, which by the way, doesn't have to be
in Cooperstown.

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
I was gonna say, like you move the draft around,
you could move the All Star Game around, why can't
you move the Hall of Fame induction.

Speaker 13 (02:04:51):
I mean football makes their Hall of Fame Induction like
it's standalone event, right, They make it as part of
Hall of Fame weekend. So I think Baseball's got to
stop burying cool stuff to people like you and I
want to watch. But that they make us compete with,
make us make a choice between its own competition the
baseball games.

Speaker 3 (02:05:10):
How does it benefit them to do it the way
they do it right now? I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
That's because we've been saying this forever and there are
no changes. But it's Rob Manfred. So your show this afternoon.
What's going to be on it? Paul Danner Junior's back.
We're going to talk about his fan survey, some surprising results.

Speaker 13 (02:05:31):
So I think you have spent some time on this.
A lot of folks out there now wondering is Shamar
Stewart going to go back to college? Are we sure
we're going to roll that out? Will make sense of that,
I'll tell you why. Last night reminded me of the
one time I went camping. We have on with us
to preview tomorrow's FC Cincinnati versus Miami tilt with Lionel Messi,
Bradley Wright Phillips, who's with MLS three p. Sixty on

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Apple TV. Jason Williams of the Inquirer says the Reds
are boring. We'll spend some time on that what so
much more? Bradley Wright Phillips, that dude could score back
in the day. If you could ask Lionel Messi one question,
what would you ask him?

Speaker 3 (02:06:08):
I don't know. That's good questions, but I don't know
that I got there's really anything I really want to know.
I'm kind to be honest with you, all right.

Speaker 13 (02:06:17):
Leonel Messi is awesome. He's one of the most famous
athletes on the planet. He's a global, international superstar. But
I don't know that there's anything about him that I'm
really dying to know.

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
Sauce Gardener just signed a four year, hundred and twenty
million dollar extension with eighty five million dollars guaranteed. Do
you think U See has reached out to him yet
to ask for money.

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
If they haven't, what do they do?

Speaker 13 (02:06:41):
Also, don't you have people there who's like job it
is to ensure that you're calling Sauce Gardner the second
that the pen hits paper.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
Exactly right, I would imagine, Yeah, Hey, we're still paying
off some of this building here we just built. We'll
put a cool picture of you up. We'll call it
the Sauce Gardener Training Room or something. There's also a
report out there that you see will be playing Georgia
in Atlanta in basketball is part of the Holiday hoops giving.

Speaker 13 (02:07:07):
You have any reaction to that, that would be kind
of cool. I guess holiday hoops giving. They played Georgia
in a home and home a few years ago. I
think they had him Wes's first or second year here.
It's an SEC school, so I guess that's kind of cool.
They played in Atlanta last year and beat Georgia Tech,

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so maybe they'll have a similar luck.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
Okay, all right, wonderful Mo, thank you so much. I
appreciate thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
Austin Yees no Egar coming up with the Mo Eggar
Radio show this afternoon. Quick Hits has come to an end.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
On the show, we'll talk to John shere and we'll
talk a little bit about that Shamar Stewart College thing.
We'll talk about the team as a whole. You'll hear
more from Sam Hubbard's conversation with Chris Collinsworth, and of course,
full full coverage of what happened tonight in the Major
League Baseball All Star Game. Andrew Abbott expected to pitch

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fifth or sixth inning. Ellie da La Cruz of course
going to play as well. You also hear what a
national reporter had to say about the national perception of
the Bengals. It's list season as well. I think I
might make a list or two tomorrow. Plus we'll preview
the Open Championship happening FC Cincinnati taking on Miami. There's

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a lot to get to on tomorrow's show, and I
hope you'll join me. Thanks so much for listening. If
there's anything you missed, it will be up on the
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Stay tuned, stick around all those things because Moe Egger

(02:08:49):
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