Cincy 360 w/ Tony Pike & Austin Elmore -- 4/21/25

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good afternoon, Happy Monday. Welcome into the latest edition here
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Leave us a talkback and you could be in for
a CINTI Church gift card for the best talkback of
the week, as voted on this Friday. It's obviously a
huge week in Cincinnati, not to bury any type of lead.
It's the Draft on Thursday, and the Cincinnati Reds are
coming off a series win in a Game three where

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they scored twenty four runs beat the Baltimore Orioles twenty
four to two. Went to Baltimore, Yes, went to Baltimore.
And took two from the Orioles, which means for back
to back Mondays Austin. Here we are celebrating the Cincinnati
Reds back to five hundred. Let's go they reset again.
Now we go. Where do we go from here? Now
we go? Here they are twenty four runs for the

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Cincinnati Reds against the Baltimore Orioles. We will describe, we'll
discuss recap everything that happened yesterday, Saturday Friday as well
with the Cincinnati Reds and now what's ahead this week
with the trip to Miami starting tonight and a trip
to Colorado after that. Obviously, want to wish everyone out

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there a happy Easter. Hope you everyone had a great
weekend and we're ready to get a new week started.
Outside of what the Reds are doing this week, we
mentioned that there's an NFL Draft this week. We've got
the latest insights from a mock draft standpoint. We've got
pick seventeen Verse moved back to acquire more draft picks.

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There seems to be some players that are trending towards
the Cincinnati Bengals. This happens. I feel like every year
when we get to draft week, you start to hear
two or three names consistently, we'll dive in what that
looks like. And while we're diving into that and starting
a new week Austin, the Cincinnati Bengals are starting an

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offseason workout. Voluntary off season workouts open today for the
Cincinnati Bengals, along with sixteen other NFL clubs. This is
the stage of the offseason where seventeen of the NFL
teams that have coaches returning from next year. You get
an earlier head start if you got a new coach

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coming in from a head coaching standpoint. But today Baltimore, Buffalo, Carolina,
the Bengals, Denver, Green Bay, Houston, Indye, Kansas City, the Chargers,
the Rams, the Dolphins, Vikings, Giants, Eagles, Steelers, and Tampa
Bay Bucks get underway. And then tomorrow the remaining eight
teams with returning head coaches will begin their programs as well.

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It's not the most excruciating time they stay away from
on the field activities. Players can work out, players can meet.
Phase one officially consists of two weeks where activities are
limited to meetings, strength and conditioning, and physical rehab only.
These are strictly voluntary and I say voluntary with air

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quotes because it's voluntary to some, it's not voluntary to all,
but it is something at least you get the guys
back together. And if you followed along over the weekend,
Jamar Chase has been traveling. Joe Burrow was in La.
He was at game one of Lakers Timberwolves left that
game early, as I think anyone in attendance would have done.

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But very interesting to see from a turnout standpoint Austin
what that looks like, because this is kind of the
official start of what Zach Taylor talked about with a
different approach to the offseason, handling things different to avoid
those slow starts.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, it's interesting to see some of the names that
are already in the building for today, including t Higgins,
andre Yosi Vosh, Jermaine Burton posted that he was back
in Cincinnati, Cody Ford, Chase Brown, among others, and the
Bengals are having a bit of a media session right now.
The locker room is open to the media. Miles Murphy

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chatting with reporters. He says he's down to thirteen percent
body fat and is at two hundred and seventy three pounds.
According to Charlie Clifford says. Murphy's said he's excited after
his initial conversations with Al Gold and new coach Jerry Montgomery,
and focused on looking forward, not looking backward. So best

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shape of your life see already on April twenty first
for Miles Murphy, love it.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Let's go. We'll dive more into the Cincinnati Bengals. Obviously
as we get into hour two and hour three today
we'll open up the phone lines five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. Some other news over the course of the weekend.
NBA playoffs are underway, although for some it feels like
they haven't started the NBA playoffs yet. Saturday saw four

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games played. Pacers handled the Bucks, Nuggets thanks to Russell
Westbrook and his three point accuracy, beat the Clippers in overtime.
The Knicks beat the Pistons, and the Timberwolves went to
LA and won that game one seventeen to ninety five.

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Yesterday Easter, the Memphis Grizzlies Austin did not get the
memo that they were playing on Easter. They lost by
fifty one points to the Oklahoma City thunder eighty not good.
The Celtics won one oh three to eighty six. The
Calves won one twenty one to one hundred, and the
Warriors go to Houston and knock off the two seed

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in Game one, ninety five to eighty five. What a
refreshing game ninety five to eighty five. Some actual defense
played in that one. But when you pair that up
Austin with what the Cincinnati Reds did, a twenty two
run win for the Reds. Calves won by twenty one,
Thunder one by fifty one. It's the first time ever
that there was both an MLB and an NBA game

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each decided by more than twenty on the same day.
There you go, So Red's part of history yesterday as well.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Reds, just moments ago, by the way, have officially activated
from the paternity list left hander Nick Lodolo an option
to triple a Louisville right Handerandy Randy Win. Randy Win,
Randy Win, nice service yesterday, Randy who Randy picked up
his first career big league strikeouts yesterday picked up a save,

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believe it or not, in a twenty four to two game.
Shout out to Randy Win and really the whole Reds
pitching staff yesterday delivered in a day in which they
needed him, and Brent Souter comes out through sixty five pitches,
three innings of work, Randy Winny and Jabo, Scott Barlow,
who I think is going to pitch in what one
hundred and forty games this year? It seems like they

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all all contributed yesterday.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Speaking of contributing, if you go back to our talk
with Tom Galader on Friday, he talked about Evander, he
talked about Kevin Danke. They both have a major hand
in an FC Cincinnati win, fourth straight win. F C
Cincinnati now tied with Charlotte on top of the standings
in the East with nineteen points. FC Cincinnati three, the

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Chicago Fire two. How about that weak yellow card given
out as well?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean, come on, who was it? Who was
it that scored? Evander scores or was it Kevin Dinka?
Either way, they score and pull up the shirt and
it says Rip Bupenza number nine, obviously honoring Aaron Bupenza,
who just passed away over the weekend, and he gets

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yellow carded for the brutal yellow card. Come on, have
a little understanding, have a little bit of class if
you're the officials. Now I get it. It's against the rules,
but can we make a little bit of an exception?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Correct? Come on, speaking of class, someone's enrolling in classes
in Clifton, Austin, Yeah, U s he's got a big man.
How about that transition? All right, that's pretty impressive about
that transition. Dan Horde has already tweeted this out and
Austin you sent it to me. Uh, it is Mustafa Chom.
There you go, Mustafa Tom good job dude. The seven

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to Senegal native from UCF as a true fresh this
last season ten point six points, six point four rebounds
per game. He had eighteen points versus Houston ten or
more games where he had h I'm sorry ten or

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more rebounds in six different games. He had eight blocks
against Kansas State alone, seventh in the country in block
shots and as Dan Horde describes, a future NBA player, oh,
he now comes to the Cincinnati Bearcats. He was viewed
by some as the best remaining big band in the portal,
but a big get for Wes Miller and the UC Bearcats.

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There we go.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Did you see my favorite moment of the weekend was
that seagal at Wrigley Field?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
And did you see this No I've just retweeted it
at audio More and shout out to Griffin Quinn, the
photographer from Getty Images who captured this incredible shot of
a seagull at Wrigley Field with an entire hot dog
in his mouth. Oh wow, flying low across the field
after he just picked up a hot dog in one

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of the most iconic baseball images maybe of all time. Wow,
is this giant seagull with a huge hot dog in
his mouth flying across Wrigley Field? Go check it out
if you've have you ever been to Wrigley No, it's
pretty amazing. They have so all the seagulls because they're
not that far from the water up there on the
north side. So all these seagulls will fly into the

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neighborhood that Wrigley Field is in and just circle around
the field waiting for the game to be over so
they can go eat all the leftover food in the stands.
And sometimes they'll just go sit out in the middle
of center field and center fielders have to show them away.
But they are just constantly flying overhead at Wrigley Field
because they know when the games normally end, and this

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particular game had gone into extra innings yesterday with the Diamondbacks,
and so all these seagulls are getting pissed off. You know,
it's supposed to be feeding time and you people are
still here and this seagull picked a lot. Do you
ready to go flying across the field. It's incredible, man,
that's good stuff. Yeah, that's what's all about. You got
to get to Wrigley, dude. I know, it's so cool.

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A couple of ballparks. It's like walking into a time machine.
It's like literally like walking back in time. Yeah, it's
pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
We would be remissed, Austin if at least I didn't
mention WrestleMania forty one. Oh yeah, I know that that
was this weekend. I know you had a big party. Huge.
I didn't have it. My son did. He hosted his
own WrestleMania party. Your son threw a party. Yeah, he
invited the family over. Interesting. I wanted to have the party,

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but uh, I think there were mixed results from it,
if you follow what anyone had to say about the
card and what happened. I think there were good matches,
but I don't think there were many surprises. John Cena
won his record setting seventeenth title last night, but no
appearance from the Rock. Travis Scott did make an appearance,

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but a little bit. Travis Scott the rapper. Yes he
got in the ring. Really hey he uh he made
an appearance in the ring, but yeah. John Cena beat
up on Cody Rhodes, Becky Lynch somehow returned the team
up with Lyra Valkyria, Logan Paul. He won again. That's
all that guy does is win. Randy Orton needed an

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open challenge. Joe Hendry came through the door and lasted
about five minutes. Dominic Mysterio won. I mean, there were
no real surprises in my opinion. Seth Rollins won the
Triple Threat match on Night one, but bye by far
and above. I thought my guy Jay Husso getting the
win over Gunter was was the best part of wrestlming Gunter.
You said, Gunter, did you have a favorite? No, I

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guy Rick Euchino had a good time. I could see that,
and I think he's still enjoyed himself. I think he's
gonna do like Monday Night rawl out there as well.
Now I have I have questions for Rick.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, I saw I saw a video of him clapping
and cheering like a schoolgirl when a wrestler was announced,
which is there's no problem with that.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
But he was in the press box, yeah, and he
was working, and.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I thought that there's no clapping, no cheering going on
in the press box. Okay, I thought that was a rule.
I didn't see anybody else clapping and cheering. I saw
people filming. I just have a press box etiquette question. Sure,
if he had done that in an NFL press box,
he'd have been beaten, ran out of town. Now, maybe

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these people take themselves too seriously, and maybe we should
applaud Rick for just being a fan and enjoying the moment.
But also, I just have questions fair. I have, you know,
an etiquette question. Questions are fair? Speaking of questions, how
about a poll question our Revivefitnessystems dot com poll question
from coach PJ Street. By the way, follow PJ at

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PJ Street. He's been posting some great stuff lesly as
we get towards the summer. I think three dollars and
sixty one cents per day is what you pay for
all the app based coaching helps just a meal, plan, workouts,
all sorts of stuff. That's just a little over Austin
three sixteen. I see what you've done there. That's another
wrestling reference. I know that one because of Stone Cold

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Steve Austin. He ran his ATV into someone in the
crowd last night. Oh really, yeah, no, that's kind of
that's kind of entertaining. You can get to the pole question.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I would tune in for that. Revisit Stone Cold.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Fiveness Systems dot com. After the Reds twenty four to
two drubbing of the Baltimore Orioles yesterday, Should Major League
Baseball have a run rule?

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Tony? What would you vote?

Speaker 5 (14:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Seventy percent of people say no, there should not be
a run rule in Major League Baseball. Twenty nine point
one percent say yes there should be. You can go
vote at Audiellmore at ESPN fifteen thirty and at Tony
Underscore Pike fifteen.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
There you go real quick. The Stone Cold thing. He
comes out, he doesn't rest well. His his only job
last night, Austin was to come out and read off
a card. How many people attended the two nights in Vegas?
Is he like a like an ambassador now? Kind of?
But they always bring back some legendary He's pretty old.
He is he is they, so he essentially all he

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had to do ride his ATV down to the ring,
announce the attendants, grab a couple of Steve Wiser's, bang
them together, chug a couple of beers, and head out.
So he's riding his ATV down to the ring and
he passes like the announced desk where McAfee is talking.
He gives McAfee a high five, and then he's not
able to make the turn around the ring and drives

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the ATV like into the little barricade that's that's sitting
right there, and the barricade kind of moves back, and
as you see the barricade move back, after like a
full one second, you see the lady that was standing
there go down. And I think it clicked for her quickly,
like man, I got to go down because maybe I

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can get something out of this. And she played it
off extremely well, like she was. She seemed no fun intention.
She seems stunned the fact that she had just went down.
She was unhappy with Stone Cold that like WW executives
out there talking to her. When Stone Cold was leaving,
I'm sure she walked away with a pretty cool WrestleMania package.
She'll probably be first row. But uh yeah, stone Cold

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struggling to uh to drive the ATV to the ring
last night, but did have a couple Steve Wiser's in
the middle of it. Steve Wiser take a break. Uh,
let's do this.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
There was way too much wrestling and way too much
NBA in that first segment.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
We've got, uh, well, the rest of the way. That's
good because we've got Reds and we've got Bengals.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Can I give you a quick Bengals update please, because
they're going to be filtering in throughout the day.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Kelsey Conway of The Inquirer is reporting or tweeting and
talking to a few people today. I learned that the
Bengals plan to fill Mike Hilton's nickel cornerback role is
Josh Newton. Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
This means they will keep Dax Hill outside to start.
Hill certainly has the flexibility to go inside, Conway says,
but right now the plan is Josh Newton.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Okay. That's an interesting one.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Ear Mark that for fig Newton as the potential slot
corner to replace Mike Hilton.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
All right, when we get back, we will recap the
weekend for the Cincinnati Reds, including twenty four runs yesterday,
a series win. What's ahead and after that? Will take
your phone calls.

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Speaker 7 (18:16):
This ball is crank high deep left center field off
the bat of Austin Wins and that is gone way
out of here to left center, a three run home
run for Austin Wins, and the Reds just continue to
pile it on against the position players.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
That is his sixth hit of the day.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
Three more RBIs for Austin wins. That gives him six
of those today to go with his six hits. That's
his first extra base hit of the game.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
All Right, there you have it. You think it's harder
or easier to call a game like that yesterday Austin,
I would say it's a little easier. You think everyone's
just in a good mood. Yeah, you got to come
and you got to come up on the fly with
a lot of what's going on, maybe some room to
talk with the hitting man for a team that we
talked about, by the way at sinty three to sixty
thanks to Skyline Chile. You know, for a team Austin,

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we've talked a lot on the season about hitting. They've
now scored four runs and nine of their last ten.
They are nine and five since a four game losing streak,
and they have found a way to win some games
when the starting pitching, which had been so good, Yeah,
has taken a little bit of a lump. I mean
you look at the way the Cincinnati Reds winning multiple
games over the weekend eight to three. On Friday, they

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lost but still put up five on the board on Saturday,
and then twenty four obviously yesterday. It's gonna skew a
lot of stats in your favor from a run differential
standpoint and things like that.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
They went from twenty third in Major League Baseball and
walks to seventh over the weekend because they walk so
much against Baltimore pitching, which is pretty amazing. Yeah, by
the way, that was a Tommy throwing Chris Welsh on
the call. There six major league catchers have had six
hits in a game, and three of them have been Reds,

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but none of the three were Johnny Bench. That's crazy
if you can believe that, that's crazy. It first happened
in nineteen twenty two when Pittsburgh's Johnny Gooch did it.
He was the first player to do it. Hank de
Berry did it in nineteen twenty nine, and then Red's
legend Ernie Lombardi did it in nineteen thirty seven, followed

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by Red's catcher Walker Cooper in nineteen forty nine. Paul
Laduka of the Dodgers did it in two thousand and one,
and yesterday Austin wins unbelievable shout out to Matt Wilkes,
who posted that stat from Red's content plus, that's really cool.
Absolutely hard to believe. Johnny Bench never did it.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Correct. Friday night an early win in the series for
the Cincinnati Reds. They beat the Orioles eight to three.
They did it with Andrew Abbott another solid outing six innings.
He looked really good. Two hits, just one run. He
struck out eleven Baltimore Orioles. Awesome stuff. The Reds also
collective eleven hits on the night and a pair of

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three run home runs. Matt McClain did it, Ellie de
la Cruz did it. And oh, by the way, jaymer Candelario, yes,
a chamber appearance one for five, one home run on
the night as well. So the Reds win at eight
to three. It was a four hundred foot Ellie de
la Cruz home run that I think essentially went four

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hundred point two just over the fence. Jamer and McClain
both Homan and the fourth and after just six innings,
the Reds led it eight to one. They bounced back
from a one nothing deficit. But Andrew Abbott was fantastic.
Reds were fantastic, and the craziest thing about the weekend Austin.
Is that the game the Orioles won. If you were

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a betting man, you would have bet on that being
the game that the Reds would have won because Hunter
Green was on the mountain. Hunter Green had a couple
of different leads. He had a lead in the top
of the first thanks to a Gavin lux RBI single,
He gave up two in the bottom of the first,
and then they got it back with a Jake Fraley
home run and a TJ. Friedel in the second. Hunter
Green just one of those days he just didn't have it.

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Seventy seven pitches, three hits, six or three innings, six hits,
five runs, walked to struck out four anything jump off
the screen when watching Hunter Green that led to struggles
or just one of those days where you're gonna have
as a pitcher and you didn't have it. I think
it was just one of those sort of felt like
over the course of the Big one sixty two where
he just wasn't locating it the way he wanted to.

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And you know, credit to the Orioles hitters, they noticed
it right away. Is part of what's made hunter so
good is his ability to get ahead in counts first
pitch strikes and he wasn't able to locate early in counts,
and that gave Orioles hitters an advantage, and they just
kind of waited it out and he just wasn't finding it.
And you know, I heard Brantly on the broadcast kind

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of talking about how there will be these games, maybe
at this point where you have a little bit of
dead arm, or your arm feels a little bit heavier,
maybe you're on a road trip, and he didn't sleep
great the night before, whatever it might be, and he
just looked kind of uncomfortable, looked like he didn't have it,
and that's gonna happen over the course of the Big
one sixty two. Carson Spires also looked uncomfortable over four

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innings where he gave up four earned runs, a couple
of those coming via the long ball.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Shout out to Carson Spires though for just kind of
wearing it. It kind of felt like a punt on
the game, But also it felt like they had to
do it, like they didn't have a choice because it
was like, you could lose this game and lose tomorrow,
or you could give yourself a better chance to win tomorrow.

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And then after the game, Carson Spiers, according to Terry Francona,
kind of confessed to the medical team that he had
been dealing with some shoulder injuries, shoulder injury all the
way back to spring training, right shoulder impingement. So they
shut him down put him on the il yesterday as well.
Something to continue to watch for in a game. I
believe the the Orioles on the other side of it

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used eight different pitchers on Saturday, and it leads I
think for many reasons.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Austin. You go into the game tomorrow and you're thinking, man,
you know a game where you get the loss with
Hunter Green. Now you got to find a way to
come back and find a way to win. And it's
going to be a bullpen game. You're not going to
have many opportunities. And like you said, Brent Souter was
phenomenal for them yesterday. You got an inning out of
Jebo Taylor, Rogers, Scott Barlow, who he already talked about,

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and win. But it was more about the offense obviously
for the Cincinnati Reds anytime you score twenty four, although
I do want to highlight Austin the second inning where
the game is obviously well still in the balance. The
play that Eli da La Cruz made on the line
drive up the middle is a play that I don't
think any other shortstop in Major League Baseball makes. I

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don't think it's one of the best plays you'll ever
see a shortstop make, and I think it does signify
what we were wondering on Friday, Austin is you know,
he came off arguably his worst series from a red standpoint,
how is he going to respond? He had a couple
home runs in the series, couple really nice defensive plays
in the series, and not just Ellie as well. You

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alluded to the fact that in some of the more
gut punching losses that this team has taken the season,
they have found a way to bounce back in the
next series. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Part of that spreadsheet that I was talking about that
I am keeping this year to coincide with marks calls
about their record. I've got one run games. I've got
their record when Freedo and McClain and Dela Cruz are
batting one, two, three, And I've also got a list
of gut punch losses. They had one in San Francisco,

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the last game of that series. They were going for
a sweep, have the lead in the ninth, the give
up the walk off home run. What did they do
the following weekend, They swept the Pittsburgh Pirates. They bounced
back from a gut punch loss. Same thing happened this
week with Seattle. You have a grand Slam in the
bottom of the eighth to take the lead, you blow
it in the ninth, losing extras, a gut punch loss

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that cost them a series win. And what do they do?
They rebound with the series went on the road at Baltimore.
Those two things Ellie in the smaller, you know version
of this bouncing back from maybe the worst series of
his professional career, to the Reds as a whole now
have bounced back nicely after some tough losses. That's the

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sort of stuff that I'm looking for. Over the course
of the season. We've talked a lot about this stretch.
Now you've got the first part of it done with
the Baltimore Orioles by the time they come back home
to play Saint Louis. So they finished that series with
Saint Louis, They're gonna be twenty percent of the way
through the season, and so we'll learn a lot about
him over this stretch and how they can perhaps turn

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this into a streak.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, something to certainly watch. Do you want to hear
what it sounded like when Ellie made the catch? Please?
One two? That had a little break on it, looping
liner up the middle.

Speaker 9 (26:54):
Fally lays out, he dives and makes the catch.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh what a play.

Speaker 7 (27:00):
Wow, a headlong diving catch behind second base.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
By Ellie Dela Cruz on a sinking flare.

Speaker 7 (27:09):
Even the Orioles fans showing their appreciation.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Brent Suitor.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Reaching his arms up, hopping a couple of times in
celebration on the mound in awe of that spectacular catch by.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
De la Cruze. Awesome.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Suitor's reaction was so cool yep, Like he looked like
he was doing jumping jacks. By the way, Brent Suiter
in that game, sixty five pitches, three innings, yep, gave
up three hits. He wasn't too super pitch efficient.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Exactly what they need him to be. That was huge,
exactly what he needed to be in that situation. I
don't want to go through every single way in which
the Red scored yesterday, but you hit on Austin wins
in the day that he had six RBIs, six hits
and seven plate appearances. Noelvee Marte was five for seven
yesterday seven RBIs his You know, his average goes from

(28:05):
point eight three to three one six.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
The Reds combined to go I think eleven of fourteen
from that posit the eight and nine spots in the lineup. Yep,
for a ton of runs. Big fourteen RBI or whatever
it was.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
If you go back even to the game they lost
at home, Jake Freiley looked like it turned around a
little bit, and I think he followed it up with
a nice weekend as well. Dude, that home run he hit, yep,
that was crush. Yep.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Hit it out onto Utah Street out there behind Camden Yards,
and he's gonna be getting a plaque. Did you see
that story. Yeah, so everybody that hits one out there
gets a little plaque on the street. He actually hit
the car, the barbecue car. Boog's barbecue hit the car.
So that's pretty cool from Jake Freiley. It's good to

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see Spencer Steer play the field. Yeah, first started and
played first base, went two for six on the day,
had RBIs. Gavin Lucks had a nice day, Austin Hayes
was four for six. He's now hitting four to twenty
nine on the year. Monster Matt McClain a two hit
day as well.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Every logged a lot. Again, Yeah, everyone contributing from a
red standpoint. And that's the thing too. Not only was
it twenty five hits, they walked eleven times.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, and I think walk twenty five times over the
course of the three game series. I mean it took
them all sorts of different places on the Major League
leader boards, and I mean that sort of stuff. Yeah,
it's gonna skew some stats, right for sure, but also
this game has a way of evening itself out. But

(29:41):
to me, one of the more impressive parts of this
season so far has been Gavin Lux. Yeah, he is
putting together some incredible abs. I mean, Jeff Brantley was
talking about it like he's kind of at the point
now where pitchers just want to throw him a fastball
and get the at bat over. With seeing a team
high and a career high four point three to one

(30:05):
pitches per plate appearance, he has a walk rate of
fifteen point nine percent. That's a career high. His career
average was ten percent. The Major league average is eight percent.
I mean, he's in the ninety second percentile of walk
percentage in Major League Baseball, and his chase percentage is
fifteen point eight percent. That's the ninety ninth percentile. He

(30:28):
is putting together some great at bats ye for the
Reds in the middle of that lineup, and uh, he
should be. Uh, he deserves a lot of credit. Yeah,
he's been awesome. They turned the page. We'll talk about
the series coming up against the Marlins. But an awesome
in many many ways, an awesome series win against Baltimore

(30:49):
after the way the previous series ended for the Cincinnati
Reds against the Seattle Mariners. When we come back, before
we turn the page, let's talk to you five one, three, seven,
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Speaker 2 (31:04):
This is Jeff for Tri State Menzo Yeah.

Speaker 10 (31:06):
In fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Welcome back since he three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili.
On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. NFL Draft happens
Thursday this week. We'll dive into that as the show
goes on. More on the Cincinnati Reds in just a
few minutes. Let's take some phone calls. We gotta start
with Mark, because the Reds are winning. Mark, what's up?

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Jambers stole money? Yesterday they scored twenty four runs without
Jamber and he making fifteen million dollars. Yeah, so Austin,
you know we got a track. We got the track.
When Jamer don't play, how many rons do we score?

(31:58):
And then we turn it into that?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
How about you start tracking some stuff. I got too
much to track. How about you start tracking some stuff?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Mark?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Okay, so Austin's giving me a job, and I'm trying
to help Austin a Reds winning team that he never
saw before. But he want to give me a job.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, you listen. Listen.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
If you do this part, I'll and there's a better
chance you get some flowers at the end of it.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Now you know that's saying something that that that's an
incentive right there.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Mark, I will literally send you flowers.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Okay, got it, got it? Let me track I can
right now. I got two games that he didn't play,
that San Francisco game that they lost and then yesterday's
game that they want. Yeah, when when Jama don't play.
But let's let's let's get I got a Bengals point
that I want to get to. But my only last

(33:01):
Reds point is I was hoping they would have got
a sweep because when you play in bad teams, you
gotta sweep on you know, my goal is to win
ninety games. And you know, if you can sweep the
bad teams and then just don't get swept by the
good teams, that gives you a good chance to win
ninety games. And I'm I'm worried about Matt McClean because

(33:22):
to me, if they gonna come close to winning ninety
games or win ninety games, he's that one bat in
that lineup that's gotta hit, you know, And here lately
he been grinding in the double plays with men on
base and then he been striking out. So I'm hoping,
you know, out of all the bats in that lineup,

(33:42):
that's the bat that I'm counting on right there. I
hope he gets it going sooner than later. And then
my last Bengal point, whoever making a decision that DA's
Hill is gonna play corner back in that slot corner.
And I heard Austin say, you know, they leaning towards
Jos Newton. I think they ought to be fired because

(34:05):
Dak still was a slot corner in college, right, And
the only time I ever saw a game since he
been in the league where he flashed was when that
that Rams game on Monday Night when he made a
couple of plays when he was closer to the line
of scrimmats. I think they I don't know what they

(34:26):
had him playing, but that's more his natural position. So
I think, to me, they should put him at slot
corner and just lead jobs Scotts Newton, you know, as
a cornerback. But we'll see what happens. And I'm not
an NFL coach, but I just think I think that's

(34:46):
where he should be at.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
So yeah, I honestly I agree with you on that, Mark.
Thank you for the phone call. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I mean it's without question Dak should be starting at
the slot cornerback position.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I mean the size, speed, athleticis you have from Turner
and Cam Taylor Britt on the outside. I look at
that and I'm like, all right, those are the perfect
type of players you want on the outside. Now, who knows.
Taylor Britt was awful at times last year uh's uh.
DJ turned it up, getting hurt at times. But elite speed,

(35:19):
elite athleticism, you want that, and Hill is better on
the inside. I'm curious to see if by the time
the season starts, if this is still the mindset. Yeah,
and as they go through training camp and whatnot, because
Josh Newton had a lot to learn last year and
he was getting beat consistently and practice and in the game,

(35:39):
and we know what that looks like from a coverage standpoint,
at the corner, at the slot corner roll, So don't
I don't disagree with Mark on that one.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
The Matt McClain side, Look, he's missed so much time,
he missed a whole season of baseball, and he comes
back and he's been injured. I'm gonna give him a
little time to figure things out, and I do think
that he will. But I think that there's a little
grace period for Matt McLean.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
His strikeout percentage has dropped over the last couple of games,
which is good. His walk percentage has gone up in
a big way. He's walked seven times over the last
seven games. He's not hitting very well one three seventy
nine on base three to eighteen slugging. He has one homer,
five RBI, five strikeouts, seven walks, one stolen base, four hits,
six runs in the last twenty two at bets.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, I'll give him a little bit of benefit of doubt.
Let's take a break. Let's finish up the hour with
a couple more phone calls, a little more on the Reds,
and then we'll turn pages to the draft and the
Cincinnati Bengals. All still had Cincy three to sixty thanks
to the Skyline Chili on the SBN fifteen thirty Wise,
welcome back sincey three to sixty. Thanks to Skyline Chili.

(36:48):
Thank you for listening. Leave us a talkback. We'll get
to talkbacks here and now at number two, we'll also
get some more Cincinnati Reds. Obviously, we've got a ton
of Bengals to get to today as well some other
news as it relates to the Bearcats and UH and
more going on. Let's finish up the hour with a
couple of phone calls. You still have hanging on here?
What's up? Mike?

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Hey guys? When is the UH? Is the Draft special
Thursday daytime?

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
We'll have a normal show Thursday, but Thursday night down
at the Holy Grail Austin. I believe it starts at
six with Rocky Boyman and Lance McAllister Mo and I'll
be on from six to eight and then Austin and
Chick Ludwick are on from eight to ten for the
uh ten minnight. I'm on eight to ten. Yeah, there
we go.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Well you don't have a blast with Chick Austin. That
should be fun.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
I wonder if he's uh gonna blow shock bubbles.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I hope he does. I hope he runs through a
wall with snot bubbles.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah, I'd like to see that one. Maybe John Cena
could throwing through.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, make us come now we're talking.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah, Hey, you know you were talking about rig and
every time I hear regular Fenway and I know you
guys don't like about to talk about the old times
that much, but I always think of going to Crosley
with my dad because that's the closest thing to that
type of stadium, just because of how archaic it was.

(38:16):
Of course at the time it wasn't, but it was,
you know, just so cool and so personal that you
don't Then Riverfront comes along and it seems so clinical
and cookie cutter. And stuff that just seemed to lose
all the charm with the AstroTurf and the whole even
dimensions and stuff. I think that's the charming part, don't you,
Austin and Tony.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've not made it either, but yeah,
there's a lot of charm in the old school mentality
from there for sure.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Thank god we went Baltimore was a dumpster fire right now. Yeah,
I'm feel sorry for them.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
They're as I still feel like they'll figure it out
at some point this year, and it's one of those
teams that you look back on and you're glad you
probably played them at the time you did well.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I'm not so sure they'll finish above Tampa because I'll
say Tampa's got a damn good young starting rotation, just
like the Reds do. You never get a minute check
out that starting rotation they're and they're missing the Klanahan
who was a cy young winner. So wait wait till
they get that staff back. And they're playing at that
little mini ballpark with eleven thousand people, which is also
kind of cool. I wanted to mention to Austin Well,

(39:22):
I heard Aaron Boone on a podcast the other day.
That was pretty cool. And they asked him about the
NL West and he said, well, if it wasn't for
the Phillies or the Mets, the NL West would probably
have four teams in. But since because of one of
the other Phillies or the Mets, the only probably get three.
So the Reds again got to win that division.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, it's got to be the central for me and
for the Reds.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Well, here's what happened to Austin. You brought up the
seagull at the at Wrigley, right, And I started thinking,
and I thought, seagulls aren't aren't in one Typically they're not.
That's why they're called seagulls because they thrive on saltwater fish. Now,
I so I googled it and really there is no
such thing as a seagull. I found out, you know,

(40:06):
by the ocean, they're actually albatross. But up there at
Lake Erie or Lake Michigan where you saw them that
they call those a large hearing goal, and then there's
a smaller one called a ring build herring. But anyway,
just a little Wikipedia on goals for you lot. What's

(40:27):
that physical anthropology zoology? I guess that zoology one O
one on the Well, what else are the NBA playoffs?
I'll tell you one thing. Orlando plays some serious defense
on three point shooting. They they led the league in

(40:48):
shutting down three point shooting, and I heard it sat
on Boston this morning. If they don't, I forget, if
they don't shoot x amount of three where they leave
the league they're seven and fourteen. Uh if they don't
see a certain percentage and amount of three pointers in
a game. So I hope that Cavs can somehow get them,
don't you. I'd love to see the camvs.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I think there's intrigue, but I
think there's also some skepticism with some of the top seeds.
Oklahoma City certainly extinguished any of those or any of
those problems with how they played, but I do I
think the playoffs that you scrap everything because in the NBA,
essentially with so many veteran teams, you got to get
in and then see what happens. And I think that's

(41:29):
more of what the excitement brings with the playoffs, is
that it can feel totally new from an NFL standpoint
or NBA standpoint.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Yeah, and one other baseball think that just came to month.
I always in the assuming typically that the Marlins are
in last place. Well guess what they're not. They're in
third place. They're nine and twelve and they got a
great young pitching staff, So be careful. Reds then only
have a letdown after that's but they can be laid
on yesterday's.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
That's the next thing. Can they follow yesterday up with
something that gives them a little momentum is what we
still have to wait and see. Thanks, guys, have a
good one real quick. Jeff, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Man?

Speaker 6 (42:06):
How are you no seagulls at Camden Yards yesterday? So
aviary talk is over? Fun day to be at the ballpark.
I don't know who was Boot Louder former Reds killer
Charlie Morton when he left the game, or the home
plate umpire going after the shortstop.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
That was hilarious.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Was it a strike?

Speaker 6 (42:30):
I had a terrible angle.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I couldn't know it was not a strike, okay, because the.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
Shortstop took two steps off the mount towards home plate
and the ump was having none of it, and.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
He stared back. He stared at the umpire too, and
the umpire is like, don't stare at me. That's outside
the umpire took like five steps mound two.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
I was like, what's going on here? There is a
gentleman sitting next to me. You'd never been to a
baseball game before. When the shortstop came in, he tapped
me on the shoulder. He goes, why is this guy
throwing so slow? I was like, he goes, I've never
been to a game before. What's going on?

Speaker 11 (43:03):
And go?

Speaker 6 (43:03):
Oh, this is a short stop. He came in because
they're out of pitchers. Sot's let's keep.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
It rolling into Miami.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
So Tony on this new guy for UC, I'm getting
Bandago feelings. Everybody's jumping up and down and bouncing off
the walls.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
How was he different?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
He shot seventy nine threes last year. He hit about
thirty percent of them, so he's much more of a
scoring threat. Seventh in the nation in block shots, but
also as a true freshman in the Big Twelve, averaged
over ten points a game. He's much more skilled offensively
than Bandago, and he still affects the game defensively, but
a team will not just be able to leave him alone.

(43:40):
He can catch and shoot, he can dribble, He can
get to the basket, which is I think the biggest
separation from from obviously Bandago.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
Okay, but he still needs to be coach, which is
still the biggest complaint.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Ye right, that's the next step.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
Okay, And quickly on the transfer of pole Oil. How
about the UCLA quarterback situation.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, that's interesting. Going in.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
The guy from app State transfers in state for three days.
The Tennessee guy comes in.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Next, guy walks.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Out the spore wild West.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
We're on the We're on the road to Ruin. I
think that's all we can really say.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (44:14):
So all right, we'll have a good day, guys.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Thank you, Jeff, have a good one.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
As as we wrap up our one. From a college
basketball standpoint, uh, Cooper Uh Cooper Flagg confirmed he's going
to the NBA Draft and UH. One of the major
holdouts from an NCAA standpoint was UNC guard Ian Jackson.
He earlier today committed to Rick Patino and Saint John's
and Austin. Not only did the Bearcats land a big today,

(44:40):
Keith and Nickison also reported they have landed former Baylor
guard Jalen Celestine out of the transfer portal thirty eight percent,
three point shooter.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Fifth portal commitment for U. See he's also six seven
another nice spot that that has filled in for the
Cincinnati Bearcats. From a transfer portal standpoint, we'll touch on
the portal base traded Damn Skillings for this game sells
for seal US down and I'm guessing they probably didn't
pay him as much of money either. Oh that's what
we heard from Champlawn on Friday. We'll take a break,

(45:10):
we'll come back, we'll put a bow on the Reds.
We'll look ahead to this week, and then we'll transition
to the Cincinnati Bengals. The NFL Draft week is here,
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Good afternoon, Welcome back our two since E three to sixty,
thanks to Cinci Shirts. Thank you for listening on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We have recapped everything there
was from an impressive Cincinnati Reds series win over the weekend,
including twenty four runs against the Baltimore Orioles yesterday. On
the season, it moves to the Reds to eleven and eleven.

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Based on everything that happened over the weekend. The Reds
are now two games back in the standings of the Cubs,
one game back to the Milwaukee Brewers. Cardinals have lost
four in a row. They are nine and thirteen, and
the Pittsburgh Pirates sit at eight and fifteen on the season.
I know it's a small sample size, Austin, but from
that standpoint, it's kind of what I envisioned the NL

(47:15):
Central this year. Right. Saint Louis offense has been great,
the water has found its level. We know what Pittsburgh is.
It felt to me like Chicago was that top dog.
You got to find a way to get over Milwaukee
and the Reds and it's more of a three team
race in the NL Central. Does it still feel that way, Yes, Reds.
We talked about the window. We talked about the opportunities now.

(47:38):
Granted they're on the road until Sunday, but the opportunities
are there. Three against the Marlins, three against the Colorado Rockies.
Nick Lodolo is back from a paternity to leave. He
is back on the mound and he will be facing Austin.
I know you looked up some stats today. Max Meyer
for the Miami Marlins.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Max Meyer, right hander for Miami. He's off to a
pretty good start so far this season. He has a
two point six y three earned run average with twenty
seven strikeouts through his first couple of starts, and he
has one of the best sliders in Major League Baseball
right now. We talked about how up until Saturday, Hunter

(48:21):
Green had not allowed a hit on his slider. Well,
Max Meyer hasn't allowed many either. He has a zero
point nine to one opponent average against his.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Slider so far this season.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
But some Reds have had some success against Max Meyer
in their career, although it is a small sample size.
Ellie Dale la Cruz is three for three against him
with two runs batted in. Freyley is one for one.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Friedel is one for two with two runs batted in,
and Noel vi Marte is one for two with two
runs batted in in their careers against the Marlins right
hander Max Meyer.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
There we gobviously something to watch. There is afternoon baseball
being played right now in the top of the eighth.
The Boston Red Sox lead the Chicago White Sox four
to two. I'm watching Austin on the TV in here.
Eroldis Chapman still pumping in at one oh one. Eroldis
Chapman is a monster, although he did just give up
a solo home run to start the eighth inning.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Well, I mean that's you live with that with old eroldis.
This is one of the best traditions in baseball, the
eleven am start for the Red Sox on Boston Marathon day.
I saw earlier that the leader for the women in
the Boston Marathon, at after twenty three point five miles,

(49:39):
was at a pace of five minutes and sixteen seconds
per mile.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yikes, five sixteen. That is absolutely insane, picking them up,
laying them down. Speaking of that game, I just watched
future Red Luis Robert Relax. He's zero for three on
the day and he just hit a pop up the
center field that the center fielder just flat out dropped.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Well, it's at eleven am sun. You can't see it.
It's different to see.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
All right, let's transition here, let's switch gears. We've actually
we've got some Duke Tobin audio rolling in. We'll get
that Duke Tobin the audio out in the third hour.
Here what Duke Tobin has to say. But as we
sit here today, it feels like to me, and I've
heard this a couple of different places, but it feels

(50:27):
like to me that we're starting to zero in a
little bit from a Cincinnati Bengal standpoint on some players
that are on the board. Todd McShay in The McShay Show,
I actually did talk about the Cincinnati Bengals and listed
the Bengals as one of two teams the Bengals and
the Falcons at number fifteen and seventeen in the draft,

(50:49):
are willing to overlook some character concerns for players like
James Pierce, Mike Green, and Walter Nolan. As we sit
here this afternoon, I feel like those names, Austin, are
the ones that I'm hearing, I feel like more often
than not, and the other one being Derek Harmon, the

(51:11):
defensive tackle from Oregon. Are you I know we talked
with a are we talked on Friday about Mike Green
with Lanzerline. Does it feel like Mike Green is more
of a possibility as we sit here on the Monday
of the draft week.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think after what I've read about
him and what Lanceerline had to say, it seems like
to me that it's a real possibility that Mike Green
is a guy the Bengals are looking at.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I think it's a.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Real possibility that Mike Green is a guy who's off
the board. Yeah by the time the Bengals have to pick,
so uh yeah. I think when it comes down to it,
you know, the fact that he has denied everything that
was against him, and that it really has been a
non story, that the alleged sexual assault allegations were the

(52:04):
charges were dropped and never pursued or whatever it was.
And the fact that we've gotten to this point without
it being a big deal, I think is trending in
the right direction for Mike Green to go in the
top twenty.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, something to certainly watch. We'll focus on names as
we go throughout this week. Austin.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
By the way, Mike Green, I was reading Dane Brugler
The Beast over the weekend and he has his strengths
and weaknesses category for each player, and I thought this
was notable in the strengths category for Mike Green said
there was strong character feedback from his coaches at Virginia

(52:43):
and at Marshall. Charles Huff, who is now the head
coach at Southern miss said, quote, He's the most humble
human being quote you will ever meet. So keep that
in mind for Mike Green earlier today. We'll see this
all throughout the word week here Austin. Earlier today, Jordan Reid,

(53:04):
who we've had on the show before. Yeah, ESPN dot
Com put together his actual mock draft for every single
team and every single pick. Let me give you the
list that he gave for the Cincinnati Bengals, uh and
get your immediate thoughts. At number seventeen, Derek Harmon, the
defensive tackle that we've talked about from Oregon. He says,

(53:26):
outside of edge rusher Trey Hendrickson, who's in a contract dispute,
the team doesn't have consistent pass rushing options. Harmon at
sixty five three thirteen is a big, stout presence who
can penetrate the first level and defend the run. Finished
last season with five sacks and led all defensive tackles
in college football with thirty four QB pressures ten point
seven pressure rate at dtackle is the second highest rate

(53:48):
in the country. After taking him in the second round,
Reid has the Bengals taking Alabama edge rusher Landon Jackson
six six two sixty five ideal frame, productive in college
and a half sacks in each of the past two seasons,
in fifty four pressures out of the sec in the
third round, Georgia interior offensive lineman Tate Ratlice, possible instant

(54:11):
starter who generally comes off the board much earlier in
mock drafts, And finally to wrap things up with their fourth,
fifth and six picks, Cam Scattabu, running back Arizona State
as a Alexander cornerback at LSU and RJ Mickens, the
safety out of Clemson. If Austin that is the NFL Draft.

(54:33):
When we're talking next Monday on Cincy three sixty, your
reaction would be what I would be ecstatic? Yeah, I
would be absolutely thrilled with that draft. I think it
addresses several needs. I think you get good players, guys
that can come in and produce on day one.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Skattabu in the fourth would excite me. Yeah, I mean
I don't know why. Why does he excite you? Just
because he's not going to start? No, but his running
style is completely opposite of what Chase Brown would be.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
And is it because all I've heard about camp scatabooy,
he looks like this big, physical running back.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Did you watch any of his games? Yeah? But he's
a punisher. He led the nation and mistackle right.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
He talked about like, he's this big, physical running back,
but he's more comparable I think athletically to and at
least what I've heard Christian McCaffrey. And I'm not saying
that's a bad thing. But is he as physical a
runner as we think so?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I think so. But if we're if we're talking a
week from today and we say D tackle, D N
guard were addressed in the first three rounds, I'm on board.
They found a running back who can slide in right
behind Chase Brown. I'm on board. And they had a
corner and safety depth piece in the later rounds. Why
I think those positions, I'm I'm I'm good with.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Let me ask you this, Why do they need camp
Scatibo if they have some Peter I don't know, just
looking at it through the lens of how the Bengals operate,
Where does was Scatabo really fit?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I mean, I think he would fit as the number two?
I mean why why if if p Ryan was the option,
why have most folks we've talked about viewed running back
as a potential that they draft.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Because I think that nobody. Nobody thinks that samaj p
Ran is a long term guy there and it's a
short term deal. So I get where they're come from.
It's a need that has to be addressed. I just
don't know that, Like, oh, they got Cam Scataboo, He's
going to be this instant impact player for them.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Well, he's not going He's not going to get the ball.
I don't think a running back they would draft this
year would be an instant impact player. But I think
he would get the number two running back Snaps.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I don't know if I agree with that, just just
knowing that the trust that they have with samaj p
Ryan and I don't think they're going to take Snap
away from Chase Brown.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think unless they think they
could take him away from Chase, But I think that
my thought, would you're telling me some a JP Ryan
would not play at all special that would be my thought.
If you take Scataboo in the fourth, then you're directing
him to play this year the number two running back.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, I don't. I just don't see them doing that,
but I would. I would flip it. Just again, the
way I feel like they are operating, Cam Scatibo would
be the special teams guy.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Didn't he fit all that stuff he does. But are
you taking a special team's only player in the fourth round.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
You wouldn't think so. No, Yeah, but again it's a
mock draft. I don't think they would draft running back
in the fourth round. Maybe they do, but that's further
down on the list of needs that I don't know
that fourth is worth picking. And by the way, Duke Tobin,
speaking today, said that we have six picks and we.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Want more for what it's worth. They we'll be trading
against some point for what it's worth. I'm reading a
draft bio right now in Camp Kataboo and the player
comparison for him is Zach Charbonay, Okay, is that excite
you as a number two? I would sign up for that? Okay?
Chaponnet is good for the How much value do you

(58:18):
put on a number two in this offense? Not a Tonka?
But if you remember back and I know that, how
come Camp Scataboo hasn't gotten more love? I'm not big
on good question, if you haven't, If you haven't noticed,
I'm not big on camp Scataboo. Yeah, just not a
big fan of his. So, like, why has amazing in
that game against Texas? Okay? Cool? That was one sec defense. Okay,

(58:41):
cool one not just one game. He was consistently impressive
all year. Okay, So why isn't he getting more love? Like,
why isn't he a name that's talked about. I don't know.
Maybe there's a reason for that. I mean there are
I think there are obviously better running backs. There's like
several better runnings than him. But I think from a
statistical standpoint, I thought he was in the Granted, I

(59:06):
don't think the Big twelve was That's what I was
gonna say. It was as dominant, but he was the
second leading rusher in the country behind Ashton Gent.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Does anyone know who he is if they don't make
the playoff and he plays.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
A game, Probably because he had some pretty impressive games
early in the season, Okay, just not a fan personally.
We In that game against Texas he ran for one
forty three he had ninety nine receiving. In the college
football quarterfinal, he threw a touchdown as well. Yeah, the
quarterfinal against Iowa State, he had one hundred and seventy

(59:38):
on the ground and thirty eight receiving. I mean he
had six hundred and five receiving yards and seventeen hundred.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I mean, if you're gonna do it like you know,
Chase Brown and Cam Scattabo like they did, you know
early when Zach got here with Mixon and Giovanni Bernard, Like, Okay,
I see that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, I could see that, or I could see you know.
My thing is, did you see enough from Chase Brown
that he is? You know, let's say it's third and one.
Are you good with Chase Brown getting those short yardages?
Because that's how I viewed p Ryan. Is that a
Chase Brown issue or is that an offensive line issue?

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
If not, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Gonna be hard to get one yard with Cody Ford
and Lucas Patrick. It was hard to get a yard
with Cordell Vohlson and Alex Kapp.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
But it was also a situation where p Ryan, and
this might be more of a negative on Joe Mixon.
P Ryan was the guy when he was here in
short yardage in two minute? Is Chase Brown all of
that for the Bengals already?

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I would think so, but I would put less of
that on him and more of it on the offensive line.
I think it'd be interesting even when p Ryan was here,
that offensive line wasn't good. I think it would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
But nonetheless, I think if if those are the six
position players drafted that we're talking about a week from today,
I would be happy. Yeah. I don't say that to complain.
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
I'm curious about the fit for Cam Scattabo. Yeah, but
like if you have an ability to draft Tate Ratledge
in the third, sign me up Landon Jackson, who I
think Tate is the number nine edge rusher on Dane
Brugler's big board. Uh, kind of fits who they are
looking for in a lot of different ways. Yeah, and

(01:01:23):
the first pick was who who was the first pick?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Harmon? Harmon? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I mean you would feel a lot better about even
those three guys. Who's a third round pick in that
you refresh my memory.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
The the ed rusher or no, Tate Rutledge, Oh yeah,
Tate REI yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
So it would be if you get those three guys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Those three guys, all of them start on day maybe
not start on Day one, but day one, have an
impact rotation, potential starters.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah, impact players, and that's what you have to have
with with Day three or with the first three rounds.
Duke Tobin talked a little bit about that today talked
about the draft process, the big boy, the number of
picks trading back. We'll get to all of that. We'll
play some audio for you in our number three. When
we come back, though, we'll switch gears to your talkbacks next.
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We hope those other two divert come back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Oh that's route FO totally.

Speaker 12 (01:03:01):
And come close to this show. Come on, we got
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Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Well there we go, there we go. Let's start it
that way. A Reds win, a series win, a twenty
four to two win, A lot to discuss. As we
entered the first edition of this week's talkbacks thanks to
CINTI shirts, What's going on? Tony, what's going on here?

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Leana truck Hill? Okay, Lee Hope.

Speaker 13 (01:03:35):
I had a wonderful east On My guys, My disappointment
of the week has to go to Joel Dillman. Shout
out to JT from Covering Joe Dillman, Come on, my god,
two feet two feet and you choked like that. Dang
gotta be my disappointment of the week.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
That was a rough showing for Joel Dimond. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
It was he had the lead, bogied what the last
three and lost rough But justin Thomas's walk off, Birdie
Putt shout out to j T at the RBC.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Shout out to j T.

Speaker 14 (01:04:11):
That was Electric's up, Tony and often Jason's down on
beautiful deal hollow Lake. I was able to talk back
lately because it's the busy season. At worked twenty four
runs on twenty five hits. That was history, folks. That's
something you don't see every day. We need to enjoy
these kind of games while we've got him. I just
wanted to give a shout out to the Reds. That

(01:04:32):
was beautiful. Made my eager Sunday go red.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
All right, Jason, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:04:39):
Addie tone was good. Hey Man at Ley must be
a Marble fan because he did his best read Richard
impersonation yesterday with that catch. Oh man, that was incredible
and he must like Iron Man two from launching all
them cruise missiles too. So you know what shout out
to Elie. I knew he was gonna bounce back. He
always get these negative talk backs and then he starts
playing best ball, so I don't know if he'd be

(01:05:01):
listening to talkbacks, but it's gotta be something. Also happy
NFL Draft Week cannot wauntil Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Really looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah, same here again. We'll be at Holy Grail from
six to midnight, down on seven hundred WLW Lanson, Rocky
six to eight, Tony and Mo eight to ten, myself
and chick of Ludwick ten to midnight. I think the
Chickster and I will be on the air when the
Bengals make their pick. I don't know who Reed Richards is.
That must be a Marvel guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:05:29):
Up guys pick a whun in Kentucky Draft Week, Bengals
take the best available at seventeen. I say another offensive weapon.
Luther Burton make the offense more unstoppable to win this year,
then you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Fill your gap second through six.

Speaker 16 (01:05:40):
I think the Browns are gonna end up taking Hunter
at two. I'll be shocked if they don't trade back
eighteen to twenty, get in front of the Steelers, take Sanders,
package those two together and then Tony. I threw two
picks at the Thomas More League this weekend. I can't remember,
what do you tell me to get the nose of
the ball to drop us by? INDATEX, are pinky on
there too tight?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Uh? You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
He had to step out for something for a brief moment,
so I would imagine it's pinky. Don't put the pinky
on there too tight. I think you're absolutely crazy if
you think Luther Burton is Luther Burden. The third is
the guy that the Bengals should take at number seventeen.
I do think it's interesting the possible shador Sanders to

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Pittsburgh type of situation, because I kind of feel like
he's going to be the guy to slide to somebody
panic come up and try to get him. I don't know,
but I think part of the reason why I heard
this morning, part of the reason why Aaron Rodgers has
not kind of made his decision is because he wants
to avoid a Kirk Cousin situation in Atlanta, which is, Hey,

(01:06:46):
we're gonna sign you and then we're gonna draft Michael
Pennix and the next thing you know, Michael Pennis is
the starting quarterback. I could see them doing something like
that with shadhor Sanders and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 17 (01:06:56):
Happy Monday, everybody. What about that games take twenty four
to three? They beat him like a grand can you meal? Yes,
the Baltimore and they gave them a bird, I mean
they plucked him oriol.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:07:06):
I just hope that his storel or runs for the
next week. I know, hey, Tom, what did you say
about WrestleMania. I quite enjoyed it. John Cena getting his
seventeenth title, record breaking, and your boy Jay Uso getting
the goal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I don't know what half of that stuff means. I'm
sure Tony will give us a wrestl like a full
WrestleMania recap and provide his thoughts at some point. But
I know Tarren Bland is going to be really excited.
Apparently Jay Usso is his guy, and apparently, uh, he's
gonna be pretty excited about Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I believe you're back now. Yeah, sorry about Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Wanted to know what you thought about WrestleMania, John Cena
getting his seventeenth title and Jay Usso as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You know, I was excited about Usso. I was happy
that Sina did it. But I think they got to
answer a lot of stuff on Monday Night, Raw Tonight.
A lot of questions have.

Speaker 18 (01:07:57):
To be answered, Congressman Kin from the car with of
Ken Tucky here. I hope the Reds break out of
his hitting slump soon.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
You know, this is getting kind of old Wink winks.

Speaker 18 (01:08:09):
It's a shame that Hunter Green didn't have his normal
night of pitching. The Reds would have swept Egg Orioles
in that beatdown of the Orioles yesterday.

Speaker 8 (01:08:20):
Was just paid back for the nineteen seventy.

Speaker 18 (01:08:21):
World Series, which I'll remember, rest in peace, Pope Francis.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, yeah, I hope is gone.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
It was a legacy series for Brooks Robinson in nineteen seventy.
I don't think he just owned the Brooks series.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Tony and Austin. It's Gregg.

Speaker 19 (01:08:42):
You know, when Nick Crawl signed Candelaria, he said, I'm
signing this guy veteran leadership to help the young guys. Well, Saturday,
Marte goes up to the plate with his one thirty average,
proceeds to get a walk, immediately gets picked off. I'm
telling you, I am glad what happened yesterday Martin in

(01:09:04):
the game and we see how that worked out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Also had a throwing era, had the tube bland with
the best hitter at the plate at the moment, which
is Jose Travino.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Give and take. We gotta talk about the catchers as
a whole for the Reds as well. No, I'm telling you.

Speaker 10 (01:09:18):
This is former President Ronald Reagan, and well, welcome to
the Li Dela coaster ride where one day he looks
like the love child of Superman and Ozzie Smith and
then the next like Bill Buckner on roller skates. Oh,
by the way, did you know that former President William
Howard Taft has been reincarnated? That's right, he is now

(01:09:40):
a seagull in the Chicago area.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Oh my gosh, WHOA, that's breaking news. I believe that
is president on President crime. Right, that's a little bit
of a fat joke at William Howard Taft.

Speaker 17 (01:09:52):
Twenty four to two, not twenty four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
That's definitely on me. They had a fact checked myself
ever and out again. Take care of Rolotti.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
I was gonna let it slide. There's a lot of runs.

Speaker 20 (01:10:04):
Hey guys, JD from Chicago, Are we overthinking the Bengals draft?
Should they not just go complete defense with every pick
and then after the draft go ahead and sign one
of those vetteran guards. The defense was broken last year?
Isn't that what we need to fix?

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
To answer your question, A, yes, we always overthink the draft.
That's what the draft is meant for. B If it
was that easy, they would have already signed one of
those guards.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
You could argue that offensive line has been a disaster too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think we're overthinking it. To
answer the question, we always do when it gets to
this point. Defense is the number one issue, but you
have to improve parts of your offense as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Correct j DJ.

Speaker 11 (01:10:48):
As a UC fan excited to see Chom and Celestine
added to the to the team, Celes also skeptical about
Wes's ability to coach him based on what I've seen
the last three years. So we'll see and then has
been said by a lot of folks, Candeleio should wear

(01:11:09):
a mask when he comes to the plate. That dude
is absolutely stealing from the franchise. And I know they're painting,
but get him mask cut question mark.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I don't know about the Bearcats yet. I just know
that if it's a zz Or Arrington Page versus Big
Slime and Mustafa, I think they've upgraded that front court.
This Big Slime.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
That was the other big that they got in the portal.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
The guy that you've never seen play before and you're
calling him by his nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
I watched him at George Mason. Actually did watch like
three George Mason.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
You've never watched him play for the dumpster Fire. That's
the Bearcats.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
I also watched him in the A ten championship game
at George Mason. Earned Big Slime at UC. Yet if
he's big Slime, he's big Slot. No, no, no, no, no,
he's not. What's his real name, that's a great question.
I just know his big Slime. He's got to earn.
He has to earn Big Slime here. I think everybody

(01:12:06):
just needs to pump the breaks in Ellie's defense right now.
I mean, come on, give him a break. Let's just
go back and look at history.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Two read shortstops have led the MLB during a season
with twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Nine eras the MLB. Ellie Day, La Cruz and Barry
Larkin overrated.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
When you say it like the MLB, that's just telling
people you are not a smart person, not the Major
League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
And this guy is the same dude that like hates
Barry Larkin. Yeah, he's made it a vendetta here. Ellie
has to be more consistent period.

Speaker 21 (01:12:40):
All right, here's my hot take for the week. With
the seventeenth overall pick, the Bengals select Ohio state wide
receiver a Mecca Abuka. Come on, no man, that would
give Joe Burrow all kinds of weapons. He's supposedly a
really good blocker at his position. We need blocking. I
want to see or hear if you could ask James
Rapine when he thinks about that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Pick, Raupine would be all over. He doesn't believe in
the trenches. Raupine doesn't care about the trench over. He's
already he's already mocked it seven times. Well, he keeps
picking that Colston Loveland cat out of Michigan, which you
know what, I'd be fine with.

Speaker 22 (01:13:16):
That Oh what a weekend it was for the Reds,
but not for the O's. The rubber match yesterday on
the twentieth day of the fourth month, in which TJ.

Speaker 8 (01:13:27):
Friedel collected his.

Speaker 22 (01:13:28):
Twenty fourth hit on the season.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Listened to route to twenty four reds Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I get it, Yeah, no, brother, Yeah, I.

Speaker 22 (01:13:35):
Won a couple of fun facts for you football fans.
The Pittsburgh Steelers haven't scored twenty four in a game
since Week fourteen of last year, and the Browns since
Week thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
It's the theme song to twenty four in the back.
I get like that A bunch of twenty four related stats.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
If you don't know that, that's confusion at first, But
that's actually unbelievably well done.

Speaker 23 (01:13:57):
Yeah yeah, Mark says, disappointed the redsden Sweet Baltimore, you
should be happy they won two out of three on
your great I mean, that's really good, even even if
you're playing Xavier.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
The cookie Cutter.

Speaker 23 (01:14:11):
Seventies baseball stadiums had no soul. I went to Crosley
three or four times. I remember we'd buy peanuts off
this older gentleman off outside named Peanuts.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Jim Peanuts Jim. Yeah, that's jangle Jim's grandfather. Is it
really Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Wow?

Speaker 24 (01:14:28):
I just want all the talkbackers to kind of eat
they words. Man, you guys were bashing the Reds last week,
all that Ellie Ellie talking, all that upset and it's
about my team. Man, Yeah, eat your words, take your
foot out your mouth. I bet y'all praising that twenty
four points and all that good stuff. Kind of sit down,
sit back and just enjoyed the dag on season. How

(01:14:51):
about that twenty four Yeah, big hand.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Speaking, I love a big camp, believe big. This is
the MLB season. This is the ups and downs, and
at the end of it, it wasn't a bad series.
He's Elliet is leading MLB in airs. He has to
be better. He led MLB in airs last year. He's
got to be better. But it's also a series like
this and what happened over the weekend and you realize

(01:15:13):
the star that he.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Is holding him to a high standard is something we
should do and he should want that and he should
want that as well. And he deserved some criticism for
the way he played against Seattle, and he deserves praise
for the way he bounced back against Baltimore.

Speaker 24 (01:15:31):
Big Hand with the double Dead all right, hen I
like the Pigs, But Skatibu I'm down with that. He's
like an all start or a Peyton Helliss whoa real
nice change of pace.

Speaker 8 (01:15:43):
You want a bruiser and a speeder.

Speaker 24 (01:15:45):
But I'm also looking at Cody, Simon and Kaiser in
those later rounds. Man, we need to start looking at
replacing those linebackers. So I'm down with all that. I
love the Pigs. Let's go oo the big draft week.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
I'm big on Cody as well. Okay, Ohio State Bucky
Big hen. I tried to holler at you last Wednesday
in the Scouts club, but you didn't see me.

Speaker 21 (01:16:08):
Man.

Speaker 17 (01:16:10):
Scataboo ran a four point six y five on his
pro day?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Is slow?

Speaker 25 (01:16:16):
Yeah, that's always repping in daddy out here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Some money hot son? What up?

Speaker 25 (01:16:20):
Tony Big was and Ravens play yesterday?

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Because that score is outstanding.

Speaker 25 (01:16:25):
We sending you guys a message Ratbird team Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Great defensive player by Ellie. You got to get it
to the man.

Speaker 25 (01:16:32):
The dude got a little skills here and there, just
polish office basic skills.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
It will be all right.

Speaker 25 (01:16:37):
Winning series is the only thing that matters to me,
right now our pitching is strong and our kidding is
starting to warm up a little bit, So I'm optimistic.
It's a three team race for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Yeah, I love it. It's a three team Tony. Did
you see stone Cold take a wrong turn before he
even got that's pretty good? Check it out. Yeah, it
was not a good night for stone Cold. Steve Austin
on the ATV.

Speaker 26 (01:17:07):
Rest in peace to the hope. With that being said,
Nick Cassianos will hit it head run tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I saw a lot of sports books have already locked
his odds because so many people locked.

Speaker 27 (01:17:21):
Do you do know what defensive tackle? Mike Green's middle
name is soilent sorilent Green as people. They put a
soccer stadium in the West End. Does anybody here remember
Elma Descend?

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I remember him?

Speaker 27 (01:17:41):
I sure hope they draft Cam Scantibo, Tony, you left
the room? Where did you go?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I took a phone call. Do you ever have a
situation where you're doing something and like you get a
phone call and you're just like all right, move on
from it, and then the same number calls back like
two three at times immediately, Yeah, and you have that
moment of like something wrong, something's wrong. What do I
need to do? Yeah, I had, I just had that happen.
Everything's okay, though, that's good, Everything's all right. Glad to

(01:18:10):
hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Uh yeah, I got to like three talkbacks in a
row without you saying anything, and I was like, all right, well,
I guess I gotta tell them, Yeah, you stepped out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Tony's microphone's not working. That was our last very good,
thank you. We have a Duke Tobin audio, which is
a rare thing. We've got Duke Tobin audio that we
need to get to in a in the third hour today.
Zach will talk at some point as well. I'm not
sure exactly, maybe some Zach audio obviously, if those things

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come available in the week leading up to the draft here,
we're we're going to uh to get you those as
they come. We'll talk about zeroing in on pick seventeen obviously,
the potential to trade back, and more going on with
the Cincinnati Bengals. I believe that we've got an injury report,
we're gonna check in on our poll question, and we've
got a Red's line up yes that we can get
to until we get to our three next since he

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was put on a stretcher and carted off the field
in the first inning after colliding with the Houston Astros
second baseman. Padres, about twenty minutes after the incident said
that he had been transported to Houston Methodist for further evaluation.
Currently stable, conscious, responsive, and able to move all his extremities.
That was obviously good news from a very scary situation

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in Major League Baseball. Yesterday from a Cincinnati Red standpoint
Carson Spires, as we mentioned, fifteen day injured list right
shoulder impingement. Last week we saw christian En, Carnascio and
Strand go to the ten day injured list, but perhaps
here Austin the most interesting piece Tyler Stevenson working out
with Triple A Louivill over the weekend, expected to start

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a rehab assignment tomorrow. Very interesting around Tyler Stevenson. Not
only his progression Austin, but the play that the Reds
are getting from the catcher position alone is going to
make this very interesting win. Tyler Stevenson is ready.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Yeah, I think the question of whether or not they
keep three catchers on the roster that's fascinating to me. Yeah,
because Wins has been productive, He's been solid defensively. Jose
Travino obviously has been maybe their most consistent hitter, and
he's signed to an extension for the next three years.

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He's going to be the backup catcher to Tyler Stevenson.
Stevens In where does he fit in with all of this.
I'm not saying he's not going to play, of course
he will offensively, he's a threat. But do you keep
three catchers on the roster with the idea of, Okay,
maybe Stevenson and Travino alternate one time they're catching, one

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time they're dhing. I think that's possible, and then Austin
Wins starts every once in a while, you know, or
as a pinch hitter or whatever it might be. I mean,
you can't ignore his production. Yes, yesterday had six hits
and a couple of them came against a position player.
But before that he had four hits, which is a
career high, and he's been solid.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
It's not like they haven't done this before. Last year
in June, they had three catchers on the roster when
they brought Austin Wins back. So it's it's something they've
done before. It's not like it wouldn't something that that's
out of the ordinary. But I think it makes it interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
It's one of those things where it's like you don't
necessarily want to have two catchers in the lineupotentially lose
the d H or whatever if you only have two,
So that third gives you some flexibility if somebody were
to get hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Especially when they're some of your best batters.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Now, yeah, I also think too, especially with that oblique injury,
if Tyler Stevenson can d H more often than he catches,
it's not the worst thing in the world. So I
think that's a really interesting part. And you know the
other part about this is Spencer Steer returned to the
field and has been looking better, not always producing at

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a higher rate, but looking better at the plate. Christ
Nacronascio on Strand, currently on the injured list. He's supposed
to come back in the next seven days or so.
That's the case. You know, when Stevenson comes around, comes
back around the same time as Strand, potentially the guy
that goes to the it goes to Triple A.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I don't know. Obviously, something to watch out for. But
that makes this today's Postman Lall Injury Report delivered by
Postman Lall Injured call eight four to four Postman. When
we return to put a bow on hour number two, Austin,
We've got a Reds lineup ready to go today and
we'll update our poll question before we get to our three.
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He continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Welcome back. Nearing the end here our two since e
three sixty thanks to Cincy shirts. Duke Tobin Audio. Gonna
kick us off in our number three with what he
had to say today first day of the voluntary offseason
workouts for the Cincinnati Bengals, obviously coinciding with a big
week in the NFL, with the NFL Draft getting underway Thursday.

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Speaking of Thursday, Austin, myself, Mo, others will all be
in attendance at the Holy Grail from six to midnight,
others six to eight. While I was talking about you know,
the normals on fifteen thirty here right, No, no, it
was just funny. But six to midnight, Lance McAllister Rocky
Boyman at six to eight, Moigrin myself eight to ten.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
I think that's like ten years of NFL experience combined
between Incredible, the six of Us.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Thank you, incredible, and Austin and the Chickster ten to midnight.
Not a lot of NFL experience on that portion of
the show to midnight and a Bengal draft pick, Bengals
draft pick that we'll have to analyze. We'll do so
in an hour three Before we get to that, how
about a Red's lineup? How about a poll question up date?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
All right, let's start with the Reds lineup game number
twenty three of one hundred and sixty two for the
local ball club tonight. First pitch six forty from Loan
Depot Park in Miami, Florida against the Miami Marlins, also
known as the Fish. Leading off, playing center field, TJ.

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Friedel batting second, playing second, Matt McClain. The third batter
is shortstop Ellie d La Cruz batting clean up and
playing left field tonight, Austin Hayes. The fifth batter is
DH Gavin Lux batting sixth and playing first base, Spencer Steer.
The seventh batter is right fielder Jake Fraley, Noelvi Marte

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bat's eighth, he plays third base tonight, and the catcher
and ninth batter is Jose Travigno. That's with Nick Lodolo
on the mound. That's once more for Cincinnati. It's Friedo, McClain,
Dala Cruz, Hayes, Lux, Steer, Frayley, Marte, Trevino with Lodolo

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on the mound.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
So literally gives you this same lineup from yesterday, except
Jose Travino comes back in for Austin wins and back
to back days no jam or Candelario in the starting
lineup for the Reds.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
That is what I think is the most notable here.
The other difference I think Hayes and Lux are flipped.
I want to say Lux played left field yesterday, but
wise that's the same order of the key. Yes, batting wise,
it's the same thing. Yes, you know I've said before
I I don't know how high the reds are on Marte.
He needs to prove himself. He hasn't been fantastic in

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the field, but looks better and had a good day
at the plate yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Yes, one of it was.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
A grand slam off of a position player, but he
also had a couple of doubles and looked good. So
he's getting another opportunity over a guy in Jamer Candelario
who has simply not produced. Charlie Goldsmith wrote about this
a couple of weeks ago. In Charlie's chalkboard, there are
far fewer voices in the room about the construction of

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the lineup. It is all Terry Francona. He gets to
do that himself. They have given him that responsibility and
they're kind of staying out of the way. That's a
good thing when Jamer Candelario stinks and you don't have
some baseball ops person in your ear telling you, hey,
he's making twenty million dollars, so you need to play him.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Terry Francona can say not playing well enough to play
for my team? What the best out there? Love it?

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
There we go, We'll take a break. Our three is
next Duke Tobin and his conversation with members of the media,
happening earlier today as the Bengals get started with their
voluntary workouts. That's next our three since he three to
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Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Here we go our three welcome back since he three
sixty thanks to Penn Station. On ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's
sports station, we've covered everything that's gone on from the
portal news with the Bearcats, to the Cincinnati Reds and
so much more. We have not spent a ton of
time yet on the Cincinnati Bengals, although we did discuss

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some options at the start of our number two there
on some Bengals draft picks and kind of outlining what
that perfect draft could look like when we're talking a
week from today about the newest members of the Cincinnati Bengals.
But today also signified the start of the voluntary offseason
workout period for the Cincinnati Bengals. I think it's going

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to be interesting to follow along with these offseason workouts,
with that being a priority that Zach Taylor has drawn
and called the attention to himself that is happening today.
No on field activities happened in those first two weeks. Meetings,
some workouts and things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
But what do you remember about voluntary workouts when you
were in the League. I'm sure it was a lot
different than the CBA and stuff now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yeah, but it felt similar to everything that that's happening
now with with the workouts the first two weeks, I
always felt like it was more of just getting people
together and and working on the mental side than anything.
Because a lot of the offseason is filled with guys
that kind of go their separate ways and work out
in their hometowns or they travel. This is one of

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those opportunities to get players back under the same.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Roof what are the meetings about, Like, what is a
topic that would be covered in a meeting you're.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
You're from install to tweaks from last year. To me,
it's extremely important talking about uh defenses and and what
that's going to look like under Al Golden. Yeah. Uh
So for from a coach, it's great because you're allowed
to have the meetings and the strength and conditioning and
if guys are injured, they're rehabbing. I never truly thought

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it was voluntary and you get and that's because I
was a six round pick. You get to different levels
and it is voluntary for you. But I think for
a new O line coach, a new defensive coordinator on
the field, off the field stuff is extremely important. And
to have an opportunity to get into some of these
meetings for a lot of this defense in particular, I

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think is extremely important, and to just get more of
an understanding from a coach's standpoint of the players that
you're talking to. You know, I know that a lot
of the work's already done for the draft, but in
a situation like this, Austin, you know, if you're al Golden,
you get a couple of days here to start throwing
some some stuff at these guys, and maybe it makes
your decision on Thursday or Friday the draft, or or

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your input because look, I've done this a couple of days.
I don't know how well they're taken on or man,
this this player has taken on really well. He's already
understanding what we're doing in this defense. Maybe you can
pick up some stuff like that. But for a team
with multiple new coaches and a team that has put
the emphasis on starting faster, to me, this feels a
lot more important than just your basic team's voluntary workouts

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that are starting you know what I mean? Sure it
just and and and Zach has done that essentially himself Zach.
Zach has put a lot of pressure on because this
team has started slow, because he talked about, uh, the
offseason workouts and and getting the guys together, and obviously
that will will bump right up until Thursday's draft and

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after the draft. I believe the next thing on the
schedule when you talk about offseason workouts is the rookie
Mini camp, and and that is obviously even more important
because you get the rookies that you had just brought
in from a draft standpoint, you get them under the
same roof for a I always thought it more of
a crash course of what you need to do and

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how to get these guys up to speed. And normally
I believe May thirteenth is the rookie football development program.
You get Spring league meetings May twenty through twenty second,
May twenty eighth through the thirtieth is Ota offseason workouts,
and then their mandatory mini camp is June eleventh through
the thirteenth. So just another box that's kind of being
checked here on the offseason list for the Cincinnati Bengals.

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I will say it does feel because normally I feel
like the offseason just drags on. It feels like the
draft kind of snuck up kind of quick here.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
I think part of that is because the Reds have
been interesting. The Reds have helped that the reads have
been a little bit interesting. But yeah, I mean after
this weekend, it feels like forever. Yeah, those between the
end of this weekend and then the start of training
camp and you mentioned there's other stuff and the schedule
be released.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
You know, it feels like forever in football when the
schedule release has become what it is, people are so
deprived just weeks after the draft that we have to
get together for a schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Well, you know, this is kind of a thing that
the NFL stumbled upon after COVID because they waited during
COVID to figure out what the heck was going on
and developed the schedule a little bit later on and
then they realized, oh crap, we can wait. We can
turn this into a thing in the month of May,
and it allows us to kind of determine the schedule

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and the matchups based off some of the draft picks,
and so now it's turned into a huge thing. And
then this the NFL is great at is they have
something every month, with the exception of June June's mostly quiet,
but there are OTAs in June, like they have something
every month, and the schedule releases a big part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Yeah, it does. It creates, you know, those late May
early June tough days when when the pool just kind
of drives up a little bit from an NFL standpoint,
but things pick right back up. A lot of offseason
questions that still have to be answered for the Cincinnati Bengals. Obviously,
once the draft happens, we'll get more of an understanding

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of the path of the rest of the offseason. You know,
do they address guard high enough in the draft, because
that was one of the things we didn't really get
to talk much after land zerline Austin, but I thought
one of the important things he touched on was there's
a high value of the top few guards in this class,
and then there's a significant drop off that if you're
really not a player in the first couple guys. Maybe

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for the Bengals you just wait until that next post
draft free agency period. But there are certainly storylines that
will lead up to Thursday, and then starting next week
there's gonna be a ton of storylines that I think
we will have a better understanding of the view and
the direction that this team is going, and how much
they view themselves as a super Bowl contender coming up

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in twenty twenty five compared to maybe what twenty twenty
six looks like. But I think you start to get
all of that to play out starting after Thursday, Friday,
Saturday here of Draft weekend. And that's an exciting point,
at least from an offseason standpoint for a team that
has so many questions like the Cincinnati Bengals. Obviously, a
guy like Duke Tobin is going to be answering a

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lot of questions in the upcoming weeks. He spoke to
members of the media today. When we come back, let's
get to that conversation. We'll react to it as well.
Duke Tobin. Next, since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen
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Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Now your chance TONW sixty is back on ESPN fifteen

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Welcome back, since he three to sixty thanks to Penn Station.
On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We don't get
to do this often because we just don't hear from
the man very often, but earlier this afternoon because the
Bengals have started some voluntary offseason workouts, we're able to
get some audio from Duke Tobin Austin. Do we have

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that audio from mister Duke Tobin earlier today speaking at
pay Course Stadium.

Speaker 28 (01:36:01):
Yeah, I think they're you know, if you're Travis Hunter,
you're not thinking that. So maybe he'll be available for
us and it won't be a Trench's draft, but we're
always focused on the trenches. That's something that we we
feel is important. And there's certainly a lot of guys
to consider, but there's guys at other positions too that

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are pretty attractive.

Speaker 29 (01:36:24):
I mean, in terms of.

Speaker 28 (01:36:28):
The total draft class, I think they're the numbers are big,
kind of everywhere.

Speaker 8 (01:36:32):
There's been a lot of guys.

Speaker 28 (01:36:33):
That have been in college for a long time and
and so it kind of is all hitting and we
probably have more ranked players on our draft board than
we have in a long time. Maybe that'll mean great
things for college free agency because there'll be guys that
are probably draftable talents that we run out of draft
spots for.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
Guys have been for a long time.

Speaker 28 (01:37:00):
Yeah, I think it's a case by case basis as
to why they weren't producing early. Maybe some of them
produced from the start and just stayed around because they
were earning money and they wanted to maximize their earning potential.
Perhaps others maybe took a little more time to develop

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and get an opportunity. So it's a case by case basis.
None of these guys are too old to play in
our league. We start talking about twenty four and twenty
five year old guys as old, we've got real problems.
So they're all under consideration, but each one's a little different. Yeah,

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free agency, I thought it went well. You know, we
got with Al and his staff and really went over
what we're looking for and a lot of what we
had and guys like bj Hill and Josephosai they have
real for and we were happy to get them back.

Speaker 8 (01:38:02):
We were not the only bidders, believe me.

Speaker 28 (01:38:04):
There were a lot of teams bidden, and so the
guys that produced for us, like those two that we
were able to get back, you can throw Mike Gaseki
in there on the other side of the ball.

Speaker 8 (01:38:14):
You know, we we were real happy.

Speaker 28 (01:38:16):
And then then we were able to add a nose
tackle that we have history with with our d line
coach that we think is a really good fit for
us as starting level nose tackle. So we were really
happy there. We were able to add a linebacker with
a lot of starting experience. He started their playoff run,
he's a Super Bowl champ and so he's been on

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big stages, so we were really happy with that. We
got an interior offensive lineman with a lot of starting experience.

Speaker 8 (01:38:43):
We were we were happy for that. Uh Sam a
JP Ryan.

Speaker 28 (01:38:47):
We know exactly how he fits for us, and he
can produce in our system. So we were happy with that.
And then the guys we got back and the guys
we extended. We feel really good about it and we
still have the draft ahead of us.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Moved a lot in the first round, trades and stuff
like that. Traditionally, why is.

Speaker 15 (01:39:05):
That kind of fity, guys, or is that something that
you're going into doing or.

Speaker 8 (01:39:09):
Would like to be more.

Speaker 28 (01:39:11):
We're always open to moving if it's right for us,
and it's it's can be right for us. You don't
always get the opportunity people say, trade, trade, trade, Those
opportunities aren't you know, always there.

Speaker 8 (01:39:26):
Actually they're not there more than they are there.

Speaker 28 (01:39:29):
If you're sitting on one guy that you think is
a perfect fit for you. A lot of times we
opt just to go go that route. And if you're
more open to to your board and you get that
opportunity and the and the the price is right, you
do it. We're certainly open to trading or we're open
to trading down back, left right. I don't know what

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that looks like, but maybe that's stay in put. I
don't know, but it's we're we've always been open.

Speaker 8 (01:39:57):
To that, not only in the first round but other rounds.

Speaker 28 (01:39:59):
We have six picks in this draft, so we would
like to have a few more, and we'll see if
we can make that happen.

Speaker 30 (01:40:06):
When you're paying the guys in our agency's tougher before
you be able to check off the box to be
expected to check off in for agencies.

Speaker 28 (01:40:13):
Yeah, we're we're pleased with where we sit right now
and with the draft ahead of us, we are.

Speaker 8 (01:40:18):
We are pleased.

Speaker 28 (01:40:19):
We kept our offense intact, and our offenses is really good,
and we kept it intact for the long run, and
that that's a very big positive. We're rebuilding on defense
under OL's vision, and Ow's given us a very clear
vision of what he sees and what he would like
to have and we think we're in position to uh

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to get him the pieces to execute what he wants
to do and uh and that's what we're going through
right now in the draft, and we'll see what fortune
brings us.

Speaker 18 (01:40:48):
How much.

Speaker 28 (01:40:51):
You have a how much have you personality?

Speaker 9 (01:40:55):
Folks to try and.

Speaker 28 (01:40:59):
Think, well, you know, the base of what we're doing
in the scouting department stays the same. We're looking for bigger, faster, stronger, tougher,
more productive, instinctive, you know, healthy, smart, great teammates. All
those things stay the same. The scheme fed stuff we
really pay attention to. And if we're looking for a

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certain type, a guy that has multiple skill sets that
fit a couple different roles, or a guy with versatility,
because that's what we're going to be heavy in and
in that particular scheme, we'll focus in on that. And
Al's done a great job of communicating to us what
his vision is and the type of player with the

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skill sets that he thinks he can utilize in that system.
Like a lot of great coaches, and Al's a great coach,
He's going to maximize the guys that.

Speaker 8 (01:41:51):
Are in the building.

Speaker 28 (01:41:53):
That's job one, and he knows that and we're going
to get them the best players available to do that.
He's a big part of what we're doing up there
in the draft room, and what he says holds a
lot of weight with me. It really does, because I
want this to work. I want his vision to work,
and he's got a very clear vision and it's been

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great working with him on it.

Speaker 23 (01:42:17):
Run stopping.

Speaker 29 (01:42:19):
Do you guys feel like at this point you need
more of a pass rushing defensive tackle or do you
feel good about the room that you have in.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
That specific area.

Speaker 28 (01:42:28):
Yeah, at defensive tackle, I feel good about our young
guys because I think they're going to be a lot
better in year two, and they were really coming on
late in year one, and so I feel like we've
got some.

Speaker 8 (01:42:37):
Young guys in the room. I know what bj Hill
is going to give us.

Speaker 28 (01:42:41):
Adding TJ was was a big get because we needed
a little more ballast in there. I think we're open
to adding any good defensive lineman. I'm always open to
adding any good defensive lineman, and if they can rush,
that's fantastic. I'd like them to be able to do
a little bit in the run game because if they're
just a black hole in the run game. They're only

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on the field in certain situations. So we like guys
that where we can build a wave of guys coming
through that are fresh, that can both rush to passer
and stop the run. And so we've got a good
mix right now, and I think we'll probably add to
it as we go through the weekend.

Speaker 29 (01:43:22):
When you're drafting, not only me versus your board, but
deciding whether or not a player can come in and
contribute right away, or how much he can contribute versus
a death player might take yours.

Speaker 28 (01:43:36):
And a lot of times it's what's in the building
already that might keep somebody from having a little bit
bigger role. But if we see a guy with tremendous upside,
we'll take him even though we've got somebody in the
building and try to work them in. It is nice
to have these young guys come in and fit a
real role. I don't think our team absorbs right now
as we sit a bunch of young rookie starters, I

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don't see that. I think we've got starters across the board.
If some young rookie can come in and win that job,
that's fantastic. But yeah, gone are the days of you
take a guy for three years from now. In my opinion,
those days are gone. You need real quick development and production,

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some production out of your young guys. So we're looking
for that. That's just the nature of what the NFL
is now. You've got to have guys come in find
a role that advances your team, and it might be
on special teams, it might be in situational packages. You know,
Al's going to use a lot of different packages, and
we'll see if we can find guys that fit those

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roles and then they can grow the role as we go.

Speaker 12 (01:44:47):
And streets.

Speaker 28 (01:44:52):
You know, we take free agency with what's there and
what we're able to get, and what interest is there
and what the prices are, uh, how we fit that
with the rest of our team and what we're doing
at other positions. There are guards available in this there
are every year. I've never been a part of a
draft that doesn't have guards. Now, if they go one

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through uh, one through thirty five and they're all guards,
there's probably none left. But I don't anticipate that, and
I think there'll be guys that we talk about and consider, you.

Speaker 8 (01:45:22):
Know, throughout the draft.

Speaker 20 (01:45:26):
Let's see how much production.

Speaker 28 (01:45:36):
We would like a certain level of production with our
first round pick. Again, it's what's left for us. If
you could tell me who the first sixteen picks are,
I would give you a little better answer on to
how much the guy we pick is actually going to
play and start. But uh, it's you know, I I
sit here and I'm not sure we we're wide open
in the first round. There's a lot of good players

(01:45:57):
at a lot of different positions and that's something we're
working through with our coaching staff and our scouting staff
and a lot of guys that are worthy of the pick,
and we'll see what's what's there for us when we go.
But again, we want our young guys to have a role.
They got to come in and advance the ball for us.
And that's just the nature of the league we're in right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Now, all right. So that is part of Duke Tobin
speaking to members of the media today. Just happening here
in the last couple hours. Let's take a break, let's
come back, and let's comment on some of what we
heard there Austin from Duke Tobin as it relates to
the Cincinnati Bengals and more things stand ahead of the
draft on Thursday. That next Cincy three to sixty thanks
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(01:46:42):
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Speaker 10 (01:46:44):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty and iHeartRadio stations.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Welcome back Cinty three to sixty. Thanks to Penn Station.
Thank you for listening on ESPN fifteen thirty. It is
Cincinnati Sports Station. As we roll along here on a
Monday afternoon, Mo Wager will join us next for quick
hits before we get to any of that. We just
heard from Duke Tobin, and in that last segment, I
have a few things that I highlighted Austin, and I'll

(01:47:18):
get to add to anything you highlighted as well. Duke
Tobin early in that conversation talked about the names on
the board and the fact that they had the most
names that he has seen on a big board in
quite some time. And I think Duke actually went in
Austin and used that time to describe with guys staying
in college football longer, how many more players are NFL

(01:47:41):
ready the college free agency is well, actually what Duke
Tobin said, and players maybe going back to college after
the draft happens, but it's not. One of the things
we've talked about a ton with what's going on in
college is the fact that fewer and fewer teams are
now having to make decisions on drafting very young players.
You're getting guys a little bit older that have much
more experience at the college level, and for that, I

(01:48:04):
think is why you're seeing Duke Tobin talk about a
bigger list of names on that big board for the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
I mean we've said this for a while, nil, and
the portal is good for the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
It's good for teams to get more experienced, more ready
to play players, and it's going to provide deeper draft
class at multiple positions. We're seeing that this year at guard,
We're seeing that this year at running back, We're seeing
it this year at edge rusher. So it will be
a good thing in the long run for the NFL.
I thought it was interesting to talk about. Yes, they've

(01:48:39):
only got six picks, they would like more, But I
thought Duke Tobin did a good job there of talking
about you know, people just think that if you decide
maybe to move back in the draft, that's easy to do.
To find a suitor. He said it's harder to move
back in the draft than it is to stay put
because of what the teams are willing to give up
and maybe how teams view that middle selection this year.

(01:48:59):
But but he did talk about, look, there's not as
many opportunities to trade back as maybe you would think.
He mentioned that he's very pleased with where they sit
from a roster standpoint, very happy with what the offenses returning.
Also talked about allowing the defense to rebuild under the
vision of Al Golden. I think it's very important to

(01:49:22):
see the context of how much of us, say Al
Golden is going to have when it comes to the
players that they want to bring in. But those, Austin,
I don't know if you have any others. Those were
a couple of things that I thought stood out from
hearing from Duke toob.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
A couple of things.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Number One, I think it is harder to trade back
in the first round. We kind of talked to Lance
about this Lanczer line last week. There's like twelve to
fifteen players that have first round grades and then there's
a bunch of guys that don't, and so I think
it makes trading back in the first round much harder,
but I think it makes trading back in round two

(01:49:55):
or three much easier because maybe somebody has slipped, or
maybe somebody still there and a team's like, oh, crap,
we didn't expect him to be there. Let's go up
and try to get him. And it gives the Bengals
a little bit of flexibility. Maybe they moved back three picks,
maybe they moved back ten.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
So in the first round, I think it's really hard
to trade back rounds two and three. I don't think
it is. The other thing is too about the interior
of the defensive line. I just have a hard time believing.
I know that's the position that is mocked to them
the most right now, whether it's Walter Nolan or it's

(01:50:31):
Derek Harmon or whatever it might be. And Duke kind
of said this a couple of times. They reinvested in
BJ Hill, they signed TJ. Slayton, they spent two draft
picks on interior defensive lineman in Chris Jenkins and McKinley
Jackson a year ago. Duke also mentioned that there is

(01:50:53):
a role for Cam Sample and Joseph Osai that's been
outlined by Al Golden, and we know cam Sample can
play inside. We've seen that happen. So I look at
those handful of situations right there and I think, okay, well,
they've very clearly invested in this position, both financially and
with draft capital. So it makes me think they're less

(01:51:14):
likely to spend another pick, especially number seventeen, on an
interior defensive lineman. I'm not saying they shouldn't. I mean,
Walter Nolan, Derek Harmon. It would be hard not to
turn the card in with either of those two guys
name on it, but just based off the way they
operate and based off the history of oh, we've invested
a lot in this position, I'd be surprised if they

(01:51:37):
do it again in twenty twenty five. The other thing
is you talked about this building around Al Golden's vision.
What we heard a lot some rumblings towards the end
of the season last year, and obviously it led to
lou Ana Rumo being fired, is that there was a
disconnect between the type of player lou Ana Rumo needs

(01:51:57):
and wants and the type of player that the that
the organization can go after and can draft and can
fit and can coach, And the other part was, you know,
Leuen Rumo did not play young players as much, he
did not trust them as much. Al Golden is seemingly
the exact opposite of Anna Rumo in every sense in
the type of player he needs, in the communication outlined

(01:52:19):
with the football op staff on how they can acquire
those players and what exactly he's looking for, and ultimately
the plan for them and the plan for the young players.
That to me is going to be the most important
part of the Al Golden era. And I can't help
but think too in times of like man, it seems

(01:52:40):
like you really do a lot to build This kind
of goes back to the idea of you should always
be best player available.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Who knows how long Al Golden's going to be here,
right Bengals defense could be great and a job could
open up that just makes too much sense to him,
And you've spent this entire offseason building around Al Golden.
That can be really difficult to overcome when he leaves.
You should never operate from a position of fear like that,
like all your coaches are going to leave. You should
operate with what you have now in front of you.

(01:53:10):
But When I think about that, it kind of brings
me back to well, if you just keep getting good players,
you'll find a way to make it work.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Yeah, all, fair and all. We'll be talked about a
lot this week. We'll have some Zach Taylor audio to
play for you tomorrow as well. But for now, let's break.
Let's come back. One more segment that happens to be
with Moweger for Quick Hits next on Cincy three sixty
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Cincy three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
It's time for Cincy three sixty Quick Hits on ESPN fifteens.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Looking for me here, I'm here going, hey, hey, hey, hey,
back from an extended weekend. It was nice for a weekend.
You got to start it with that Thursday performance at GAVP.
That was a tough one, tough one, but a good
bounce back, I thought, for the team and for Ellie
de la Cruz himself. Shortstop Elli Dela talking about the
twenty four runs all we want that's one of the

(01:54:06):
best plays you can have at shortstop on that line
drive in the second inning.

Speaker 9 (01:54:09):
Red's shortstop Eli de la Cruz made a really nice
play at shortstop, which makes sense because that's the position
that he plays.

Speaker 5 (01:54:18):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:54:18):
Reds get two out of three, Andrew Abbott awesome on Friday,
Hunter Green a little bit of a clunker on Saturday,
and then yesterday twenty four runs.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
Twenty four runs.

Speaker 9 (01:54:27):
To me, there are two types of people on this planet,
and both made it known how they felt yesterday. I
will talk about the two types of people on this planet,
and I will tell you which one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
I am coming up at three oh five. Okay, what
else you got coming up?

Speaker 9 (01:54:42):
Sam Lakia's gonna join us, Sam, Yeah, looking forward to
chatting with Sam. We're gonna talk about I'm gonna ask him,
like I've heard pictures say, it's hard to pitch in
games like that if your team has.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
A huge lead.

Speaker 9 (01:54:53):
Yeah, is that really true? Because that seems to me
to be like a dream come true?

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Here it is.

Speaker 9 (01:54:57):
Hit it, Yeah, go ahead, go throw strikes any win.
Kind of did that at late yesterday, and so Sam's
gonna join us. We obviously, uh you guys played Duke
Tobin and Zach Taylor will have the best of that
for you. Uh if if you uh if you dare
if you care, we have some comings and goings in
the portal. You see with a couple of good guts today,

(01:55:18):
good day, Yes again, Yes, here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
You knew this was gonna happen.

Speaker 9 (01:55:25):
You knew this was gonna happen, and so we're gonna
spend some time on that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I hate it, but I'm there. We uh. We talked
a little bit today about the name. Jordan Reid Uh
of ESPN dot Com went through a full NFL draft
and in his first three picks he had the Bengals
getting there you go it is a defensive tackle, a
defensive end and then landing on a guard in the
third round. In the fourth had the Bengals taking Camp Scattaboo.

(01:55:52):
Led to a conversation with Austin and I which I
found out Austin's not a camp Scataboo guy. He does
not like Cam Scattaboo. Do you think that type of
role a Cam's catabouy who we got to see this
year in person, we did. Do you think that fits
what the Bengals could use on the offensive side of
the ball, knowing that they just paid some ajp RN
to come back.

Speaker 9 (01:56:12):
Yeah, I would be surprised if they took a running
back in the fourth round.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 9 (01:56:17):
Danner said this, and Paul's has his mock draft and
he's going to join me tomorrow. But he said, if
he you know, I'm paraphrasing him here, that if he
were to make one bold prediction for the draft, it
would be the Bengals take a running back in round five.
Camps Kataboo seems in a class that's really good at
running back with all these other needs. Again, I guess
nothing should surprise you, but that would find I would

(01:56:39):
find that to be somewhat surprising, given what they've done
at running back this offseason, given where they got Chase Brown,
given their other needs, and given how good everybody thinks
this class at running back is. But you know, if
you acquire an extra pick, right, you know, the thing is,
like the Bengals don't. They're not in a position to

(01:56:59):
take any luxury picks, right, you know. I mean that's
just unfortunately this draft, there's no room for luxury. Running
back in round four strikes me is a bit of
a luxury.

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
I thought it was interesting you have two fours. Duke
Tobin even talked about it. Earlier today of you know,
it's a lot harder than maybe people realize to trade
back in the draft. Sure, and we had land Zerline
on Friday and he kind of talked about the significant
drop after maybe the top ten to twelve players in
this year's draft, that maybe there's not as many players
that teams are willing to move up to get because

(01:57:31):
it feels like a little bit of a top heavy
draft instead of that depth all the way through. But
at the same time, Duke Tobin talks about never having
as many guys on the big board because guys are
staying in college longer and you're getting more tape on them.
So a little bit of give and take. I think
I had a Thursday. Yeah, I mean Duke said it today.
I think twice.

Speaker 9 (01:57:48):
You have to have somebody who's willing to trade up
with you, so we all I think all of us
want the Bengals, or or at least open to the
idea of the Bengals trading down. That's certainly what I
would prefer they do, because I think you have more
chances of winning the lottery the more lottery tickets you buy,
and so I want more draft picks, So the more
draft picks you have the less your chance of screwing
up the draft. But I just I tried to do

(01:58:10):
this exercise in my head a little bit. I don't
I don't waste anybody's time, including mine, by doing a
mock draft.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
But I have kind of gone.

Speaker 9 (01:58:17):
Through the exercise of like, all right, if the draft
falls the way this expert thinks, yeah, when they get
to seventeen, who would be willing to move up? And
I really haven't gotten myself to a point that I
feel like that's the team that the Bengals are going
to be able to work out a deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
I see a lot. We're starting to kind of circle in.
Green's name is tied to the Bengals a lot. I
see harm in a lot. The defensive tackle from Oregon.
If something were to happen Thursday night, let's say, detackle
edge rusher are there on the board, but for some reason,
Tyler Warren falls to seventeen. How do you view that
from a Bengal standpoint? Because Warren, I think is the
best prospect but not the biggest position of need. How

(01:58:54):
would you handle that if you were.

Speaker 9 (01:58:58):
I guess it would have to depend on the gap
between him and the next best player at a position
I need, because.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
You wouldn't think it would be a position of need.
But if someone like that falls to your lap at seventeen,
it's a weapon for Joe Burrow. It is.

Speaker 9 (01:59:13):
But I just I understand you draft players, not positions,
but come on.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Right, that would be a hard right, It would be
a hard sell.

Speaker 9 (01:59:26):
Come on, you just had a defense that last year
wasted Joe Burrow, and you had an offensive line that
you played with last season that just in the interior
wasn't that good.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Said today, we're happy with where we are offensively, we
need to defense and he.

Speaker 9 (01:59:41):
Was pretty impact. And again, it would be nothing against
the player. And I understand you, Drew, you do draft players,
not positions, but especially given what they didn't do in
free agency, I I unfortunately, would look at that and go,
that was a pick made by a team that feels
like it's better than it is and thinks it has

(02:00:01):
luxury items that they could afford when they have all
these other things. I mean, to me, that's like, that's
like getting a new entertainment center when your windows don't
work right. It's like spending on something for your house
that isn't among the necessities that maybe isn't the most
fair comparison, but it's it's like I knew a guy

(02:00:22):
once that bought this insane like audio system for his car.
Guy needed new tires, Like, buddy, your tires suck right,
your alternator just failed. What are you doing with the
sound system? Get the part of the car that matters most.
And so I just feel like, boy, that would be hard, but.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
You have so many areas.

Speaker 9 (02:00:44):
That you have to fix that you didn't fit like
the reason for all of these needs was a team
that was woefully deficient in a thousand different areas last year.
And as open as eye am to the idea that
Al Golden is gonna get a lot of this stuff rectified,
you can't put all of that on him, right, You
can't put all of that on Al Golden and say,

(02:01:04):
you know what instead of defensive end, we're gonna get
another weapon on off a linebacker, a safety, like we're
going to take a tight end.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Be interesting. Lastly, now from our standpoint, yes, I'm exciting.
Are you in the point when Tyler Stevenson is healthy?
Does it make sense for three catchers on this roster
the way the other two are playing right now the
way some other players have struggled to get Spencer Steer
back into the actual equation of playing the field, So
the DH role becomes a little bit more viable going forward.

(02:01:38):
Wins and Travino are playing great.

Speaker 9 (02:01:40):
Yeah, I'm keeping the best twenty six. Yeah, those two
guys make up the best twenty six, and I think
you get around it more now because of the universal DH. Sure,
maybe carrying three doesn't make sense now, but if you
can get two of in the lineup every day now,
I mean, do you do you go back to using
Tyler Stevenson at first base for a while as long
as Cees has heard.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
Yeah, but I'm going to see the odd man out
if you do carry three, you think, Wins Cees, maybe
if you carry three catchers. When Stevenson comes back, I see, yes,
one of their best twenty six. I don't think he's
right right now, He's no.

Speaker 9 (02:02:12):
So like I'm trying to win the Pennant this year,
I'm going to carry the best twenty six and Travino
and Wins.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
I mean Travino go.

Speaker 9 (02:02:20):
They just signed him to a contract extension, so he's
not going anywhere. And Austin Wins has done a nice
job for this team, and I think the pitcher's like
throwing to him.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
Six hits yesterday didn't help or doesn't hurt him. I
love the guy. Incredible.

Speaker 9 (02:02:31):
I've enjoyed like every account of the game has uncovered
a new like first time this has happened since like
nineteen oh six.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
Yeah, nugget the day were never before an NBA in
baseball history. If you had a twenty point wins in
each with the best easter I've ever had. Crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
By the way, mo, let me ask you your ore
Revive Fitness Systems poll question. Should Major League Baseball have.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
A run rule? Yes or no? No?

Speaker 5 (02:02:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Seventy agree with you? No?

Speaker 8 (02:02:58):
No.

Speaker 9 (02:02:59):
You buy it ticket to a baseball game, right and
beyond there being some sort of weather issue, you're there
for nine innings.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
You're there to enjoy the experience. Jeff from Virginia called
us today and said he was at the game yesterday
and met a guy that was his first major league
game he'd ever been to. Wow, and was like, why
is this guy pitching throw the ball hard? So here's
what happens in a baseball game. Right in between innings,
they sell commercials and those commercials have to air, got
to have it. If there's no eighth inning, those commercials

(02:03:27):
don't air. Guess what doesn't happen. Good point, the broadcast
outmates and the teams get paid. So we're not run
ruling anybody like I brought this up, Like the NFL,
the NFL wanted they expanded. They didn't expand overtime in
the regular season, but they made it the playoff room.
And there were folks who were like, I wanted to
be fifteen minutes, and I said, you don't understand. In

(02:03:47):
the NFL, in overtime, they view that as free content.
There's no commercial availability in overtime, so the NFL wants
the game over. They view that as free.

Speaker 9 (02:03:56):
Free content like these are why these decisions are made.
You're never going to have a run rule because hey,
Joe's mechanic bought a commercial in the eighth inning, and
now we're not going to have the eighth inning, are
you kids? That's why they wait forever to bang games,
even after they played five innings. It's commercial inventory. It's

(02:04:16):
inventory at the game. The Skyline Chili Shuffle is in
a certain inning, right, the Mister Red Race is in
a certain inning. All those things are If they don't happen,
the sponsor doesn't pay, So we're not having run rules.
And you don't you buy a ticket to a baseball game.
You might go to one game a year. You know
what you want to see nine innings and if you
want to leave, guess what you can leave?

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Yeah, Burrow did in the NBA run rule. Who comes
up with this run rule? This isn't little league baseball.

Speaker 3 (02:04:45):
When I was at the Red's Rangers game a couple
of weeks ago and the Reds blew them out, there
were people behind us. One person believed that there was
a run rule in Major League baseball and the other
was trying to tell them, no, there isn't. That was
fun to listen to it. There, We're done.

Speaker 30 (02:05:00):
Most next run rule, the NFL Draft week is here.
I wanted that game to keep going yesterday. I wanted
the rest to keep scoring. Pleasant Sunday Afternoon thirty. Let's
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